Doctor Who's Industrial Victorian DISASTER
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Crimson ain't the only horror about this episode
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Why don’t you review any Peter capaldi?
@@CutMutdemom I imagine that's for the future
i actually loved this episode as a kid, i don’t know if it was the investigative feel or it being a fun episode, i am also a sucker for a flashback and diana rigg is great
Same did enjoy this when I was younger
I loved it actually. The villain was so funny.
“The wrong hands!”
Diana Rigg is sooo much fun in this. The wrong hands line gets me every time, she knows exactly what sort of role she's in
16:47 it's the way she says it. Just so full of Glee!
She's perfect in the role isn't she?
Precisely. I think none of the cast and crew took the episode overly seriously, and that's because it definitely isn't a serious episode, but a pulpy comedy episode.
I had to rewind that shit lol rare opportunity when the hero is giving the "in the wrong hands" speech for the listener to reveal "buddy, you're not gonna believe this-"
I must admit, I do admire the audacity of the Thomas Thomas joke. It's so bad, it's always been so bad, and yet it's so bold. Can't help respect that 🤣
The sad thing is the “Company Town” idea is coming back in an attempt to help workers with all the economic issues. In theory, worker’s paychecks go farther shopping at lower price company stores. Workers who have fewer worried about non work life are less stressed & have company loyalty which usually means harder workers. Win win right?
In actuality you’re trapped. It gets to a point where you’re entirely dependent on the company. If things are bad you can’t afford to go elsewhere. The company knows this & begins to take advantage. Soon it turns into indentured servitude. Good intentions corrupted by greed of humanity
Yeah it's not to help workers, it's to exploit them.
We love capitalism
I don't know about anglophone countries, but in interwar Czechoslovakia, businessman Tomáš Baťa actually built company towns that were pleasant to live in, treated employees with great respect and ensured they'd be independent citizens who wouldn't be at the mercy of his or any other company. Baťa was a very forward-thinking man, not only by Czechoslovak standards, but also by European standards and the standards of his time. He didn't want to build a successful business at the expense of employees, customers or society, or obsess over making dough and nothing else, he wanted to create a company worthy of interwar democratic Czechoslovakia (one of the model democracies of the continent, holding onto its principles even until the breakout of WWII, when many even established democracies acted far more cynically).
I don't dispute that many previous or later experiments with company towns have been far more cynical, far less humane, and far less properly democratic. Baťa was an exception, and he's still held up in Europe even to this day as a model businessman who cared about the long-term picture and human decency, not about short-term profits.
Company towns in the U.S.A. were nothing more than corporate slavery. American citizens could no longer own slaves after 1865, but American big businesses (such as mining industries) could own their employees and their families. Slavery in the U.S.A. never died after Abraham Lincoln.
@@ZemplinTemplar well now I'm just even more depressed now that I have a frame of reference of what we could be having instead
I have to disagree with you here. This is one of my favourites from series 7. It feels very classic who and is a lot of fun all round.
I agree I think it’s also the best appearance and use of the paternosta gang
@Sic Semper Tyrannis you want... a take?
Fear her isn't as bad as everyone makes out it's a decent episode based on a really interesting premise let down with a bad ending because the country was proud of hosting the Olympics.
@Sic Semper Tyrannis oh no that's Chib-Who you're thinking off!
@Sic Semper Tyrannis ty ty
Also I'm not one to comment on them usually but nice PFP.
Garak is the man
Ik I'm late but I loved this episode too
I have a sweet spot for this episode. While by no means is it an amazing episode, it's still a really fun one. Diana Riggs was absolutely amazing in it
A Mr. Sweet spot
Well quite a few people seem to agree in the comments that they really kind of liked this episode. I feel the same tbh. I'll be rewatching this episode more than most Chibnall stories
the Crimson Horror is one of my favorite episodes because it's so amazingly stupid. Although i wouldn't call it dull, for me it's more chaoticly terrible. I think the 'final confrontation' is just such a great scene, not because it's good, but because mrs gillysomthing just Dies and everyone is like oh.. ok well yeah she's just dead. what do we do about mr sweet? and then eda Kills him violently without any hesitation. I had no context for the thomas thomas joke so that added to the chaotic stupidity of the episode, like Who is this siri google maps child its so stupid i love it
I’ve always really liked this episode. I don’t know what it is about it, but it was nice to see what kind of adventures The Paternoster Gang gets up to when the doc isn’t around, and can even be seen as a back door pilot to their audio series. While not perfect, I’ll always have a sweet spot for it.
"Almost everything about this is pulled from other stories"
Oh no, that makes it like.... literally every story in existence.
Seriously, basing a monster on one line of dialogue that's never elaborated upon in a Sherlock Holmes novel isn't derivitive, it's a deep cut.
I've not even watched yet but just want to say that I know this is unpopular but this is actually my favourite season 7 episode
agreed!
I actually enjoyed this episode a lot but I can see why others may not. The thing I love about the ending a lot is it’s the picture of Victorian London Clara that catches her out because this is an echo of she is yet to live so would be confused to see but us as the audience are not
At least this time the Doctor and his companion aren't forcing an abused child to forgive his abusive father like Rose did in The Idiot's Lantern.
Much as I'm generally warmer on RTD's era than you yeah that scene was horrible. The Rose/10 dynamic in general was the worst part of RTD's era
Looks like Gatiss learned his lesson
I thought it was more so to show him a bit of kindness before he's gone forever, but yeah that's still kinda unnecessary cuz like fuck that guy
Most of the RTD era sucks now I think about it. My favourite episodes from that era weren't even written by RTD.
I completely agree. Series 2 is almost unbearable for me just because of how awful Ten and Rose are. They really do bring out the worst of each other, particularly with Rose's selfishness. Plus, I just didn't buy the chemistry between them at all, so any "romantic" moments between them just came off as obnoxious and cringe.
I like the Crimson Horror, but it's like a Doctor Who B movie. I don't think it's great or a masterpiece but I think it's a fun, lighthearted adventure and I have a soft spot for the Paternoster Gang
Doctor Who is a B Movie.
Damn, this might be one of my favourite season 7b episodes. Your points are defiantly valid, but I think the highs of the episode drown out most of the lows. The (patasomthing) gang are great and I can't stay mad at a comically stupid character and I really liked Ida's character as she has been trapped under the hysteric ideological views of her mother for as long as she can remember, making her the most devout follower and twisting he view (no pun intended) of reality. That final realisation that her life has been a lie and her snapping and mumsie always gets me and she might be one of my favourite supporting characters. And A or B tier for me but I understand where you are coming from.
p.s. Eve of the daleks is a good episode. Justice for Eve of the Daleks!
Honestly confused why Torchwood didn't show up in this episode they should exist duding this time. Am I wrong? I get that Dr. Who cut out the Torchwood institute after Doomsday in favor of the spin off but come on Torchwood would have been all over Sweetville and the Patanosta gang
Saltaire was actually pretty utopian compared to the Bradford slums Titus Salts's workers had been living in before he moved his mill out of the city. Sure, some of his rules were a little controlling (no alcohol, no gatherings of more than 8, no painting doors any colour other than brown etc.) but he provided quality housing that was far more spacious than that in the city, he built a hospital, a school for the workers' children and a park so people had access to green space they would never have seen in the city. He was also one of the first employers to offer sick pay. Living in a town owned by your employer may seem grizzly today and Salt was most likely in it as much for long-term profit as he was to genuinely help his workers, but the town still drastically increased the standard of living for the mill workers and their families all the same.
Apologies for the history essay... Great video as always though!
In relation to Matt Smith's northern accent, his Dad is actually from Darwen, so it was probably a bad accent on purpose
Probably although practically my whole family is from up north and I am absolutely terrible at accents
I won’t lie, this episode NEVER sat well with me for all these years. I never even gave it a proper chance but I rewatched it this morning because I knew you were going to drop a video on it today and thought “hmm lemme give it a chance..” I sat through it and I must say I really really enjoyed it. I love 11 in this episode and the plot was fun. Hate the gang though. I really really don’t like them they’re so annoying and SONTARANS SHOULDNT BE ACTING LIKE THIS. IDC.
Agreed. I m happy I gave the episode a second chance too.
I honestly hate the doctor in this episode. Him kissing HIS KNOWN GAY FRIEND JENNY after he married River is just... Really weird. It's so bizarre to me how he became more sexual after marrying River
@@WaitWhatWho yeah I preferred it when 11 was awkward and clumsy with zero clue how to flirt or be romantic with women.
I love it too, don't get why people hate strax tho, yes the sontarens are worriers, but they are a species capable of thinking and feeling for themselves, so why shouldn't someone like strax exist? Shows that not all species in the show are evil
Aren't we told that Sontarans, upon their "birth", are given a set time to examine objects and find out their personality? Who's to say that some don't end up stupid?
List of doctor who Victorian stories we had.
Evil of the daleks
The talons of wen chiang
Ghost light
The unquiet dead
Tooth and claw
A Christmas carol
The snowmen
The crimson horror
Deep breath
Thin ice
And next up nightmare in sliver
A Christmas carol isn't Victorian, it's in space!
@@obi501 didn’t know
@@thomasjohnson8391 also you forgot the next doctor
@@obi501 true thanks for that
@@obi501 It almost doesn't matter, still looks the same.
I was introduced by friends to Doctor Who through this and the next episode. So this is may not be the best episode but still is kinda special to me. I’m wondering to this day why my friends choose this episode
An aunt of mine was a big SF fan back in the 80s and I'd talked so much about classic WHO so she tracked it down...only to catch one of Tom Baker's worst stories. So I told her to give it another shot...and she caught one that was even worse than the first one. When you made the point "...someone who knows little about DOCTOR WHO, this may be what they think the entire series is like..." that immediately came back to me.
Nah this episode rocks. Everything except the whole kissing scene (unnecessary) is pure genius.
I can’t believe that this is an unliked episode! I loved this episode on first watching it and still enjoy rewatching it today. There is so much humour, the ‘northern’ jokes are great!
A story having many references in itself doesn't make it bad. It depends whether the writer makes something out of those references, something new while still allowing the viewer to identify the references. Many great films and TV series actually did this like Stranger Things for instance. This episode here doesn't and that's the failure.
@Sic Semper Tyrannis if it is, it succeeds in it far better for four seasons that The Crimson Horror does for the entire episode.
Clara, Jenny, Lady/ Madame Vastra and Strax! Any episode with them is always awesome.
The “I hate myself” with the smile and thumbs up killed me😂
Coming from Bradford, I really cringed at how you pronounced Saltaire.
It's Salt as in Salt and Pepper.
Sorry I'm a filthy southerner
I disagree, i personally liked the TomTom joke, and I got the feeling Ada was searching to kill the leech at the end.
This episode has given me odd feelings, but it's fine to me.
Maybe it's because it's these characters that it's kinda ok.
I never took it as a TomTom joke. In the US we had paper maps called Thomas Guides that you’d use to get around town before things went digital. They were awkward to use but accurate & could store a lot in a map under the seat of your car.
But then maybe it’s both jokes (or a happy accident). I didn’t get why he was called Thomas for both his names.
I love This one personally - a cheesy but fun romp which is an episode I love to revisit, love Victorian slang - one of Gatiss best.
I actually rather liked it -- Of the two outright-Comedic episodes of Season 7, I'd say this is easily the better of the two
One thing o learned about the doctor who community is that everything they don’t like, I like.
Basically
The reason I remember The Crimson Horror was because we only recorded the first half of it back when it first aired. (Back in the day where you had to record TV Shows as they happened to rewatch them later. Now I feel old, and I'm only 20...)
I love this episode. I really enjoy the oddness of the paternoster gang. Love Mrs "the wrong hands" gilliflower, and especially Aida, the way she cared for her "monster", and her revenge at the end.
I remember this was one of my favourite episodes when I first watched it and I could only remember the red lobster thingy, I still love this episode even from my latest rewatch
I love the ending because it's one of those moments where there's consequences to time travel.
Personally, I don't mind the "Blind lady compared to monster" thing. I see it as Ada seeing herself as a monster (most likely due to her mother's eugenicist mindset).
I have a big nostalgia for this episode I don't know why Does anybody else feel nostalgia?
Would have like It better is mr sweet was the great intelligence
~4:15 American company towns would like to introduce themselves. Work for the company, get paid in company credit, buy from the company store, and live in company housing paid for with a company loan.
Okay, the Thomas Thomas joke was something I had to ask about to understand when the episode was released so it's naturally not got any longevity.
Edit: I too am glad to see Mr Sweet high as a kite. At least someone is enjoying themselves.
I loved this episode so much as a kid. The amazing campiness of the villain and the fun of the episode made it one of my favorites.
I find this very interesting because the Crimson horror is so different its one of my favorites.
I thought the purpose of freezing people with the crimson horror was to revive them later after the rest of the world is destroyed...
"Do you know what these are? The wrong hands!" Is flat out the best line in doctor who ever
I always kind of liked this episode. I think it comes from my love of period drama's. I just like the vibe and the setting and stuff. 7 out of 10
Why are so many of the victorian themed episodes forgettable with the exception of Thin Ice.
8:05 never heard anyone call a kiss 'sexual assault' before ngl.
I wish this episode was just 45 minutes of Amos going up to people and saying "The krimzin haurah". He just gets such a glee out of it.
I enjoyed this episode.
I completely understand ur arguments but I actually enjoyed the episode
I have actually worked with The actor of tom tom, he is hella tall now, in fact he was cast as my dad.
This episode has the same problems most of the Paternoster Gang appearances have. That being, we don't really care about them. They basically showed up out of nowhere, and 90% of their interaction with the story is: Vastra is the Alien Dommy Mommy, Jenny is the smart cute one, Strax is the dumb comic relief. I can't think of a single episode of theirs where replacing them would've significantly affected anything.
I live in Yorkshire so this episode was amazing as most are very London centric.
That's an aspect I appreciate as well. ;-) While I'm not British, I'm from a region in my country that might have a "wacky" reputation like the North might have in more southern regions of England.
Boring, depressing, looks dull, not something you'd ever wanna go back to
But that's Yorkshire for you, episode wasn't great either
I’ll never forget it because the “Gobby Australian.” comment.
The Tom Tom joke goes over most Americans' heads. It isn't well-known in the U.S., to my knowledge.
It may be because this episode is fresher in my mind because I’m in the midst of a rewatch, but I really enjoyed this episode! It was creepy, it really helps to further establish Clara and the Doctor’s affinity for each other, I thought Gillyflower and Ada’s relationship was very interesting. All that said, I’ve really been enjoying your recaps as I’ve been rewatching and catching up on episodes I’ve missed out on!
Matt Smith looks good in that bowler hat
Nah, this one is a gem. One of the best guest casts ever, a morbid sense of humour and the best use of the Pastronomer gang ever. One of my favirotes.
I love this episode. I love your takes bc you actually go deep and explain the videos which is why I've been watching them all night. But man this one hurts my heart. Not all episodes have to be crazy serious. This one i feel was made to be fun and it's just a good filler
I knew you didn’t like it but then you gave it an E? Especially when compared to the others I’d give it at least C but you maybe at least D? Wow
Run of the mill filler story. Not bad, but forgettable. Wish we got a second part of Nightmare in Silver instead
Nah the Thomas Thomas joke was pretty funny and I think it fits the tone for Doctor Who
Gatiss is from County Durham? That's where I live 😊
Harbo: Not something you want to see whilst eating.
Me: No, not really, in fact im eating right now...
Harbo: *Proceeds to start showing tapeworms instead*
Me: And we're done with that food!
Cheers Harbo! 🤣
This is another rare instance where I share your opinion, this is probably my least-favourite episode of Season 7. The only things I really like about it are the Tegan reference and the "wrong hands" gag.
I'm so perplexed that it was given a novelisation, unless it was specifically so that Gatiss could have a shot at improving it.
I don’t know. I actually chuckled at the Thomas Thomas joke
I still don’t get the ending to this episode with Angie and Artie. How do they blackmail Clara into taking them with her? What is their dad going to do if he finds out Clara is a time traveller? Even if he believes them then what if he exactly going to do? When they hired her did they say ‘you can disappear for days on end but you absolutely must not time travel, and if we find out you did then you’re fired’? Because that seems like strange rules for a simple nanny job.
i actually enjoy this ,much better than Nightmare in silver thsat follows it
So are you reviewing nightmare in silver again, or skipping to the next one?
"Her scheme makes very little sense". As I point out time and time again (as people also bring up that argument with Krasko from "Rosa"): fascism doesn't make sense so the reasoning behind fascist scheming doesn't make sense either! They do it because they believe in it. That's the reason! That is enough for them.
Torchwood children of earth review when?
11's outfit is pretty fire tho
So was Clara’s!
I considered this an entirely tongue-in-cheek episode. Reminded me of the late 1970s film Adele Has Not Had Her Supper Yet (look it up), a similarly farcical, pulpy, steampunk-y comedy with a bit of horror on the side and a boo-hiss over-the-top villain. I didn't take the episode seriously at all, because I knew what I'm getting, and I personally don't have an issue with all the stylization. I'm torn on whether the extra runtime afforded to the Paternoster Gang is a positive or not. It gives them some extra room to shine as a trio, but it also turns the episode into an almost Doctor-lite ep, with the Eleventh and Clara being there only about half the time.
I suppose the 1 dimensional nature of the paternoster gang could have been expanded on in a spin off. By making them the focus rather then more sidekicks for the Doctor, they could make them stronger characters
I think an E rank is too harsh personally
I think Mark Gatiss is too far up his arse but I do really like this episode, most of the single episode stories in Matt Smiths era were breaths of fresh air between overwhelming story arcs
I really enjoyed watching this episode. And watching these reviews make me realise how good Season 7B actually is. I used to drag S7B, but most of the episodes (except hide) are pretty good.
Before this story, the Patternoster gang felt like actual characters, and like Dr. Who has always been very good at doing, Jenny and whatever the fuck the lizard dom is called seemed like normal-ish individuals who just so happened to be lesbian. After this? Well... Let me just say you can tell exactly how many years have gone by since we had Capitan Jack just casually and unobtrusively being a bi icon by how many jokes which revolve around either or both use 'and we're lesbian!' as a punchline.
this would have been a good 9th doctor adventure
I liked it with 11, but yeah, this was a 9th Doctor adventure for sure
I admit, I completely forgot this episode existed and when I saw the review, I remembered nothing. Not a single scene. It's like I never saw it. But I did see it. I know I did. I saw every episode of New Who up to Series 11. I even saw some of Series 11 and 12 (none of 13, tho) so I absolutely agree, this is totally forgettable.
Sweetville kinda reminded me of Jonestown. Just a weird evangelical cult leader that wants to control everyone and everything. But through it all, I kinda enjoyed this episode, way more fun than the beginning of series 7. And Mark Gatiss does love the past, A LOT. Edit- don’t eat and watch this episode. I had a club sandwich and almost got sick so yea
Also by the way pince-nez is French sound it sounds more like purse-nay than pince nez :)
Sweetville is based on the real-world model village of Saltaire, Yorkshire, founded in 1851 by wool industrialist Titus Salt. ...geddit? Sweet vs Salt.
God forbid Mark Gatiss becomes show runner. Not because he would make the show actively bad, like with he who shall not be named, but because the show would become actively forgettable. With the 13th Doctor, the writing is bad, but at least it’s memorable for how bad it is.
Crimson horror is a guilty pleasure for me, i like the campness of the villain, it has a batshit and fairly creative plot with a unique setting. Ada i find is quite memorable and a well acted supporting character, yes the paternoster gang is kind of a nothingness but they arent annoying and at least and they can be a bit fun. It has plenty stupid moments that go too far which degrade the episode a fair bit, but it kind of feeds the camp and classic-who like tone
I remember watching this when I was a kid, back when it first came out. I had never seen or heard of TomTom, so my uncle had to explain the joke. It was the only part of the episode that stuck in my memory
I think that the reveal that ada was poisoned woulda fallen flat if she didn't immediately call her mom a perfidious hag, a virago, *and* a harpy.
I don't get the fact it draws from other sources being a problem, it can be done poorly yes but I don't think it is here they crafted their own story out of the parts. Another good example would be the newly released emesis blue, they drew from all kinds of other sources even making lots of direct references but still crafted their own story with the pieces.
May I take this opportunity to apologise for my previous comment. I was wrong and deeply offensive. I’m truly sorry
at this point you need to put a disclaimer at the front of all your videos saying "i hate all the fun parts of doctor who".
i do agree with most of the Amy hate.
but the paternoster gang is so much fun. its adorable and hilarious.
I actually liked this episode lol
I love the paternoster gang in this episode
I loved this on first watch and rewatched it last month. Still fantastic! For all its faults its a fun run around with an interesting setting and link to earth pre human AND the religious aspect is really well done as is the dramatic moments between Mrs Gilliflower and her daughter
if it wasnt for the strange yet horrifying image of a red smurf Matt Smith I would not remember this episode
"Mark Gatiss out here trying go do his best Chris Chibnall impression"
YOU TAKE THAT BACK
In terms of the Doctor acting horrifically out of character I swear this season is almost ten perfect as bad as Chibnall's
RTD photoshopped the pics in Rose himself and it was Mark Gatiss who mocked him for how bad it was!