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  • This video shows the results of a saw kickback and the underlying factors that contributed to a worker’s death.
    A strip saw operator was feeding boards into a saw. A board with rot was run through the strip saw. The saw kicked back and a board struck the worker, fatally wounding her.
    This incident investigation slide show provides workers and employers in British Columbia sawmills with a valuable safety training tool. It shows the importance of safeguarding and conducting a risk assessment for each machine or piece of equipment.
    Employers: protect your workers by implementing effective solutions to health and safety issues and providing supervision to ensure your workers’ health and safety.
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    Timestamps:
    0:00 Intro
    0:10 Using a strip saw safely
    0:37 Feeding unplaned boards into strip saw
    0:48 No barriers or guards
    1:10 Strip saw kickback
    1:27 Safeguarding against saw kickback
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  • @worksafebc
    @worksafebc  9 місяців тому +1

    Learn more about working safely in sawmills in British Columbia: www.worksafebc.com/en/health-safety/industries/manufacturing/types/sawmills

  • @AlbertH99
    @AlbertH99 3 роки тому +76

    Never stand directly behind a saw

  • @norbertruiz5110
    @norbertruiz5110 3 роки тому +136

    Every time I use a saw similar to this I feel like wearing full metal body armor for protection

    • @versatileduplicity9313
      @versatileduplicity9313 3 роки тому +2

      🤣

    • @reedman0780
      @reedman0780 3 роки тому +5

      @@versatileduplicity9313 it aint no joke. Saw kickback is hella dangerous, especially things like a chainsaw thats hand held.
      Tbh I too, would want to have a full body bomb diffuser tier armor

    • @maestrovso
      @maestrovso 3 роки тому

      You heard of carbine tip blades?

    • @newjargon1697
      @newjargon1697 3 роки тому

      Also stand to the side.

    • @gorehammer1
      @gorehammer1 3 роки тому +1

      @@maestrovso carbide?

  • @TwinStickFilms
    @TwinStickFilms 14 років тому +209

    I learn in woodshop, never stand behind a machine. Always stand to the side.

    • @newjargon1697
      @newjargon1697 3 роки тому +3

      That is text book for sure

    • @TheHamadanners
      @TheHamadanners 3 роки тому +2

      Ive seen my farshare of close calls with helpers and employees that get too much in a hurry we had a saw that was finicky and known for kick back. I and two others knew the machine but it always scared new helpers away because theyd stand to close while feeding and the saw would kick back against the pressure of someone holding the bord. It was a self feeding machine and it knew anyone whod try to force feed it to make it go faster would cause the machine to kick back.

    • @alexanderbower8910
      @alexanderbower8910 2 роки тому +2

      Operating a tablesaw is, to a degree, similar to shooting. Always tend barrel direction, or in the case of saws, throw direction. I cut lath and hubs for surveying. Tedious work. If that board binds let it go and damn does it fly. You don't want anything in the throw path but a backboard. The peices are too narrow to fit the knife. I did learn that clamping a steel bar to the fence on the outfeed side of the blade will hold the hubs steady enough when you get a 'jump' that it restabilizes before it binds and gets thrown.

  • @stronzer59
    @stronzer59 5 років тому +630

    I think the six boards a minute sums up this video. Safety last and profits first. They probably hired a new worker before the Ambulance arrived.

    • @jackdanila9893
      @jackdanila9893 3 роки тому +20

      Imagine standing right behind a saw...

    • @SPECTORMANZ
      @SPECTORMANZ 3 роки тому +19

      Cpt Scuttle baby, "profits first". Do you own a business? I do own a business where ladders are used. I have watch a good number of these "Safety Videos" , if an employer would follow all the Safety Regulations, all Products and Services would have to at least double their cost. Government regulatory agencies do not have to deal with any of the regulations they come up with. The POS that make up these regulations should be forced to open up a company in the industry and forced to make a profit under such regulations.

    • @versatileduplicity9313
      @versatileduplicity9313 3 роки тому +3

      @@jackdanila9893 yea, that was dumb

    • @Arthur122293
      @Arthur122293 3 роки тому

      Damn is that really how it is in the construction business?

    • @kristyanne719
      @kristyanne719 3 роки тому +36

      @@SPECTORMANZ I'm glad I don't work for your company. You apparently value money over human life. Sad. Hope nothing like this ever happens to you or a member of your family.

  • @LitoGeorge
    @LitoGeorge 2 роки тому +81

    Happened to me too. A massive bruise on my belly that lasted for months. It was painful and took my breath away. I can only imagine that the scale of damage was far superior with an industrial saw. Mine was a DeWalt construction site saw for home use

    • @pierrecurie
      @pierrecurie 2 роки тому

      Don't these devices feed material in 1 direction? How does a kickback even happen?

    • @gr8dvd
      @gr8dvd 2 роки тому +2

      @@pierrecurie Think standard table-saw kickback, usually manually fed. Blade/cutters rotating opposite of feed, toward operator…. smooth/low friction feed rollers no match for wood snagged & shot back by blade teeth or cutter blade.

  • @privateuser7
    @privateuser7 3 роки тому +116

    Damn.. killed by a board just trying to make ends meet for your family. These stories are all really sad

  • @u.sonomabeach6528
    @u.sonomabeach6528 3 роки тому +90

    When I was 18 yo. I worked in a carpet/ yarn mill where I operated a machine called a twister which consists of a metal 'bucket' that holds a cylinder shaped roll of yarn that is ran upwards through a spindle that guides it up to be tied into another roll of yarn and is then connected to a mechanism that twists the two pieces of yarn around and around onto a cone to later be finished as carpet. Anyway, the job was very irritating sometimes because we would periodically throughout the shift have what are called 'breakouts' which happens for several reasons that include a poorly tied knot that comes undone when it the knot passes through the spindle, machine not setup correctly, defected yarn, contaminated yarn, etc. One night on a particular bad shift where I had a 'Wipeout' which is where every position on my 3 sides of the machines I was running (40 positions on each side so that's 120 positions total) snapped and was running untwisted yarn which is a worst case scenario because it takes an hour or more to fix and tie all 120 knots, meticulously strand each position and start them up one by one and pull the untwisted yarn off each of the 120 tubes one by one. I did all that and after the tiring process I started my machine back up and it immediately wiped out again. In a rage I stupidly decided to kick the bucket(pun not intended) that I had not engaged the brake and stopped and was still running. Usually if one were to kick it the cover would just dent and fall off but I kicked it with such force and in such a spot that my foot got caught in the bucket and the yarn was wrapping quickly around my leg(the yarn spins so fast that it looks like it is stationary) and proceeded to start pulling me toward the machine. Thankfully I took my box cutter and started hacking at the yarn and pressed one foot against the machine and pull back and freed my leg. If I had not it would have pulled me into the machine and rolled me through the entire approx. 20 yards of machine through the conveyer inside it crushing every bone in my body and killing me. That was one of the stupidest things I have ever done. That event got me nominated for the Darwin Award

    • @RMBlake007
      @RMBlake007 3 роки тому +19

      Glad you lived. Thanx for sharing your story.

    • @JordanBeagle
      @JordanBeagle 3 роки тому +8

      Wow, sounds like a terrible job, hope you quit right after

    • @markmcgoveran6811
      @markmcgoveran6811 11 місяців тому

      I'm happy that you got away from that one because I studied a lot of math and engineering and when I think of something like that with all that momentum than all those things turning and turning and turning and all of a sudden you're going to tell him to stop no you're not. In the early days in Chicago children work in those factories and never saw the sun. Once in a while someone would get tangled up in all that big heavy turn and stuff and by the time you got it shut off he was stretched thin as fishing string. I'm glad you got out of that one because if you hadn't had that box cutter start acting like a madman you two been done for. Good work friend

  • @jessemartin2698
    @jessemartin2698 3 роки тому +25

    My father broke his jaw quite badly due to a kickback at his workplace, I see he was extremely lucky

  • @scottdixon6155
    @scottdixon6155 6 років тому +168

    Some of the comments below suggest stupidity on the part of the worker. This is counter factual reasoning. We have information available to us that the worker didn’t-and her decisions would have made absolute sense to her at the time. We can only build safer systems by understanding why those decisions made sense, because other workers with similar training may make the same decisions in the future.

    • @yiding6364
      @yiding6364 3 роки тому +10

      hindsight is always 20-20

    • @sauercrowder
      @sauercrowder 3 роки тому +19

      It literally just is not even relevant. Stupidity should not result in death in the workplace. This is why we have engineering controls. Put something in place that will stop them from doing the thing we decided was stupid. Obviously, within reason - at a certain point if a person is going to bypass these controls, there's nothing you can do, and you don't want to place an unnecessary burden. But it should not be as easy as standing in the wrong place.

    • @Abysia
      @Abysia 2 роки тому +7

      @@sauercrowder It's absolutely relevant. She was doing something she shouldn't have been doing and got killed for it. Maybe it's her employer's fault for not providing adequate training. Maybe she was trained but was being careless. Even basic common sense would tell you not to stand there. This is natural selection at its finest

    • @GOOBENsticks
      @GOOBENsticks 2 роки тому +1

      @@Abysia You think the average person placed in the position at 1:38, with those long boards taking up most of the side, and of short stature is NOT going to push them down the end? You think it's common sense for humanity, vast majority of whom don't come anywhere near saws to think one in commercial use for ages can kick back hard enough to kill you by sheer force alone? What am I even doing replying to you, it's common sense that we get nowhere when an idiot tries to bring up natural selection in a worker safety video.

    • @hanwentian5079
      @hanwentian5079 Рік тому +2

      @@Abysia No. This is a worker who were pushed by lack of accommodation for her job and high pressure of working with pace to take her chances and sadly killed. Your comment is apathy at its finest

  • @terryterwilliger1160
    @terryterwilliger1160 3 роки тому +11

    I worked in sawmills kickbacks are very dangerous l has seen limbs torn off or crushed and lives lost my heart goes out to the family

  • @tomr9661
    @tomr9661 Рік тому +3

    Throughout the video of the accident scene, you can see the pallet of wood from which the worker was feeding into the machine from is jammed up against the bed of machine leaving no room to maneuver and properly and safely feed the material from the side of the bed .As a result the worker was forced to feed it from the end of the bed. Putting that pallet of stock in the workers space forced the worker to feed it from the end of the bed. Whoever put that pallet there made a grave mistake and whoever trained the worker in the best safety practices failed in their job..

  • @DaddyBeanDaddyBean
    @DaddyBeanDaddyBean 2 роки тому +6

    My woodshop teacher in junior high told us that he used to demonstrate kickback by feeding a 2x4 into the wrong side of a table saw, until he put a 2x4" through an expensive wire-reinforced window and administration said he couldn't demonstrate it anymore.

    • @00bean00
      @00bean00 Рік тому

      Think of all the lives he saved!

  • @DaddyBeanDaddyBean
    @DaddyBeanDaddyBean 2 роки тому +7

    I kicked back about a 4" x 4" x 3/4" block on a 10" entry-level table saw; it struck the side of my stomach hard enough to bruise and draw blood, and even after that, it still had enough energy to travel almost 25' across the basement. And that was just a little piece. I can't fathom the energy contained in an entire board, kicked back from an industrial saw.

  • @punishedexistence
    @punishedexistence 10 років тому +153

    I had a similar experience with a radial arm saw, turned sideways to cut a piece of aluminum lengthwise. The saw grabbed it and though I knew the danger, I ignored it, thinking nothing would happen. Well, it kicked that piece of aluminum through a sheet metal door and into the ground about 100 feet away. If I was in the way I would have been an organ shish-kebab. I was young and dumb. Of course nowadays I'd never attempt such a foolish thing. I was lucky. Some aren't. Never play stupid with saws. They *will* win, given the chance.

    • @lannyfullerj4127
      @lannyfullerj4127 7 років тому +2

      punishedexistence wash drain wash drain let air out repeat solutions are available for stuff like this or other methods too wash rinse repeat air out wash rinse repeat until it is safe to cut and or weld if in doubt wash rinse air out wash rinse repeat until safe to due so

    • @broleavemealone3194
      @broleavemealone3194 4 роки тому

      We don't care

    • @benjaminfernandez104
      @benjaminfernandez104 3 роки тому

      Irish shush-kabab 😆

    • @robertpeters2741
      @robertpeters2741 2 роки тому +1

      Did you get killed?

  • @adamrodgers9175
    @adamrodgers9175 3 роки тому +36

    When I was a kid in shop class I was taught not stand at the end because of kickback. I honestly want to ask why was she ever on the end of the saw and why did no one tell her not to stand there.

    • @ronaldwilkins6056
      @ronaldwilkins6056 3 роки тому +13

      I believe it states someone actually told her to stand at the end to make it easier to feed the fkd up lumber, if it was a supervisor imo that makes it criminal...they couldn't just get her a fkn one foot tall/stable box/platform to stand on???

    • @gamete4375
      @gamete4375 3 роки тому +5

      She shouldn't have been working on that machine, she was too short.

  • @dracobengali
    @dracobengali 6 років тому +20

    No mention of making it possible to work at a decent height, so (shorter) workers don't try to find an alternate way to load the machine?

  • @swedensy
    @swedensy 6 років тому +48

    We will get new worker the next day, full speed production.

  • @coranadesetta6780
    @coranadesetta6780 6 років тому +9

    I have worked in two saw mill facilities as a maintenance mechanic.One place manufactured trusses,and believe me when i say that gantry drive tables are extremely dangerous.From the electrical,the hydraulics and the pneumatics involved on the systems.I was removing a pneumatic cylinder that was in need of a seal rebuild and had noticed that someone had actually tried to triple feed the inlet air for "said"reason to increase the lifting torque to operate the pop up arm to throw the truss from the gantry table onto the conveyor rollers.Crazy idea was is that the mexicans brothers up top while i was underneath were told keep running production,not a safe idea...Needless to say i waited til the shift ended to finish up.The company wanted to keep production running regardless of the risk that the mechanic faced....

    • @terryofford4977
      @terryofford4977 4 роки тому +3

      Any trip to Timber factories in Indonesia will open your eyes, workers wearing Flip Flop sandals, and sometimes bare feet, loose fitting shirts,actually PUSH feeding massive Hardwood Logs thru giant Band Saws,NO SAFETY devices whatever,even the on/off switches are nowhere near the machine but hey, they make more profit and workers are lucky to find or have a job.

  • @VinnyXL420
    @VinnyXL420 3 роки тому +16

    A tablesaw once kickbacked at me... i kicked it back and stub my toe, conclusion: tablesaws are dangerous!

  • @AngeliqueKaga
    @AngeliqueKaga 3 роки тому +8

    This is absolute truth, my kickback happeaned in a heartbeat, and I only survived because I was wearing a heavy sweater, I had a purple welt for weeks!

    • @johnjohnson7092
      @johnjohnson7092 2 роки тому

      If you're a woman you shouldn't have survived because there are so many awful procreations on this earth and we don't need any more

  • @rinzler9775
    @rinzler9775 Рік тому +2

    "Six boards a minute" - everybody from her manager upwards should be charged with murder and imprisoned as a example. Also, she shouldnt have been allowed to work that machine as she wasnt tall enough to run it safely.

  • @relikvija
    @relikvija 3 роки тому +9

    Why are they being sold without the guard in the first place?

    • @RoleAce
      @RoleAce 3 роки тому +1

      m o n e y

    • @GhosteYoutube
      @GhosteYoutube 3 роки тому

      cheaper

    • @MoneyManHolmes
      @MoneyManHolmes 3 роки тому

      Because safety regulations are written in blood! They are probably mandated now.

    • @jackdanila9893
      @jackdanila9893 3 роки тому +1

      @@MoneyManHolmes you're not supposed to work from the end of the table, it's signalised for a reason

  • @obviousness8113
    @obviousness8113 3 роки тому +2

    Every employer wants and should want productivity. The goal should be to achieve productivity while keeping the worker safe. In this case, it sounds like a training and lack of mechanical safeguard issue.

  • @mikemike8067
    @mikemike8067 6 років тому +48

    They only care when its to late

    • @MrUbiquitousTech
      @MrUbiquitousTech 6 років тому +3

      Yeah, governments pretend to care while they're eyes light up with dollar signs. After they milk one tragedy they move on to the next.

    • @dougrogan379
      @dougrogan379 5 років тому

      Too*

    • @hotrodhotrod-wc3bu
      @hotrodhotrod-wc3bu 5 років тому +1

      MIKE Mike aint that the damn truth

  • @deezimmo4814
    @deezimmo4814 3 роки тому +12

    Another danger on any job is complacency. You know the dangers, you have been doing the job for a long time and decide to take shortcuts or disregard certain safety features..then, an accident. While working in a laboratory..this was one of the greatest dangers..

  • @megsley
    @megsley 2 роки тому +1

    in middle school (way back in the late 90s) I took wood shop - we had been told that knots in the wood could cause the saw (don't remember what it's called, but it's the one that hangs on a horizontal sliding track) to 'jump.'
    well, evidently i hit a hidden knot in the board I was cutting because suddenly the saw caught in the wood and the machine made an awful sound. the teacher dove from out of nowhere to hit the emergency stop on the machine. I was so terrified after that I didn't want to use any of the saws for like a month.
    I did manage to build my shelf by the end of the semester but that memory will always stick with me! these machines are crazy powerful and can kill you in the blink of an eye!

    • @jalalal8056
      @jalalal8056 Рік тому +1

      Real heroes don't wear capes

  • @HobbyOrganist
    @HobbyOrganist 6 років тому +11

    "The narrator stated that the operator was too short to do the job "
    No, the narrator did not state she was too short to do the job, only
    that the height of the infeed was high enough she had her arms up almost
    to her shoulders- the machine was too high off the floor and should have been lower or a walk platform put next to it, but that
    wasn't specifically what caused the kickback and injury, the kickback
    was going to happen anyway, it's only speculation what happened.

    • @arepadetrigo
      @arepadetrigo Рік тому

      But she WAS too short to do the job at that particular workstation. Someone super tall might be too tall to work at that workstation, etc. There are other hazards that come with working in a mismatched way that causes you to strain to do a very repetitive motion in addition to the dangers of using the equipment. Bad backs, injured joints, muscle strains can har a worker over time even if the equipment is as safe as it can be. Workers need to be correctly matched to the task and the workstation.

  • @MeaHeaR
    @MeaHeaR Рік тому +1

    R.I.P. Poor Lady 🌹

  • @unknownyoutuber2007
    @unknownyoutuber2007 3 роки тому +3

    I had a table saw kick a 2x4 out before. Or, more appropriately, my dad was doing some rip cuts and the blade bound on the wood. As he attempted to control and dislodge it, it kicked out from him. The board struck me in the left pectoral muscle, about the middle distance between the shoulder and nipple.
    Hairline fracture on two ribs.

  • @TheBigMclargehuge
    @TheBigMclargehuge 3 роки тому +4

    that's what you get for taking kickbacks

  • @Calligraphybooster
    @Calligraphybooster 3 роки тому +1

    Most important is proper instruction, proper traning, no overload of work, and most of all: Risk Awareness. Accidents happen everywhere and it is an illusion to think they can be eliminated. Many machines such as lathes simply can not be worked with guards. The guards that are now compulsary on conventional lathes in the EU... just more dangerous if you have to work them.
    I possitively hate safety features that are designed by people that have no understanding of the task performed, or properties of the machines involved, e.g. sawdust obstructing a sawblade covering. This nearly cost me my right hand, because you ‘know’ a machine to be safe ‘because it was made to be safe’ No! Always be aware of possible danger yourself, do not count on others!

  • @Nightweaver1
    @Nightweaver1 Рік тому

    Never stand behind a running machine, especially one with no barriers. Anything can fly out of that thing.

  • @vanmann8347
    @vanmann8347 2 роки тому +1

    NEVER trust the safety guy and question anything you feel isn’t safe!!!

  • @notch7139
    @notch7139 3 роки тому +4

    Multi rip saws and straight line edgers have big motors - maybe 15 or 20hp.
    I don't see why the machine couldn't have had anti kick back fingers....they rest on the wood as it goes in, but the teeth dig in if it goes the other way.

    • @leafbone1
      @leafbone1 2 роки тому +1

      I know it's a year later but you can clearly see the kickback fingers and he stated that a piece of board knocked the finger up allowing a second piece of board out unrestricted.

  • @Carter-dv4hz
    @Carter-dv4hz Рік тому

    The best approach is high RPM low torque,
    In the event of a kick-back the motor will stall and the blade will stop almost instantly.
    Smaller diameter blades are safer as they have less inertia.
    Fine tooth blades are safer as they have less "bite".

  • @ablam8
    @ablam8 3 роки тому +2

    Always practice safety.

  • @davidperry4013
    @davidperry4013 Рік тому

    It would be awesome to see saw stop update the technology to where current sensing is used so when there is a sudden drop in motor current draw mid cut, the disposable actuator fires and turns a kickback into a little jolt. Throwing away a blade and the disposable actuator is a lot better than getting killed or seriously injured.

  • @psychosneighbor1509
    @psychosneighbor1509 Рік тому

    She can rest easy knowing they installed guards and barriers after she died.

  • @yournightmare9999
    @yournightmare9999 6 років тому +3

    And like always boss and management wash hands 👐

  • @rocintrucker83021227
    @rocintrucker83021227 12 років тому +11

    Great vid! One thing I must point out is that 99% of companys care more about production than safety. I found in my years of working machines small shops cut alot of corners on safety. The larger factory I worked for had a lot of rules and protection for the workers. Having to ware a chain nail glove to run a foam saw was a little annoying at first. But seeing how sharp the blade was was enough to scare me into putting it on everytime even to just do a 5 second cut.

  • @hogsworthhammer9211
    @hogsworthhammer9211 2 роки тому +4

    Eleven years on, saws can still kick back.

  • @michaelpcooksey5096
    @michaelpcooksey5096 2 роки тому

    Looks like the boards need to be loaded at a 90 degree angle to the saw blade instead of aligned ti it. Or have an auto loading chute where operator loads only the chute?

  • @ayahoo16
    @ayahoo16 3 роки тому +1

    If anything is most woodworkers I know the first thing they do when they get a piece of equipment is disabled all of the safety features because they take too much time

  • @dwlopez57
    @dwlopez57 3 роки тому

    Near wher I live a guy was working with a a circular saw and it kicked back striking and cutting his throat, he came running out calling for help, but he ended up bleeding to death. Worse than just being killed, he knew he was bleeding to death and it couldnt be stopped

  • @firefox2716
    @firefox2716 6 років тому +4

    Never hand feed boards in from the very back of the planer , the operator should have feed them in from the front side and the edges should have been ran across the jointer to keep bark from jamming and binding the fence guard plate...the rollers adjustments or feeder rollers are not the main issue of these accidents. Kickbacks happen quite often so never stand directly behind a wood planer.

    • @HobbyOrganist
      @HobbyOrganist 6 років тому

      I've never had a kickback on a planer or jointer in my 20 years using them, THIS planer looked to be like an old junker found at an auction. It had an external power infeed roller like Ive never seen, and a saw blade further up to plane and then resaw into strips, so if the board cracks in half as it goes in, it can twist under the pressure of the powerfeed and there's your problem, hand feeding boards on a jointer I've never seen kickback, there's no pressure roller or kickback fingers that can be out of adjustment or otherwise fail and then you dont have ANYTHING on the board to restrain it.
      At least if you are pushing the board over you are moving it forward and have control.
      I HAVE had a Powermatic planer with a segmented pressure bar break one of the fingers off (cast iron) and it was chewed up to hell, it was $2,000 worth of parts to fix, but nothing shot out.

    • @tk23606
      @tk23606 4 роки тому

      @Letocetum sulley You cant blame wood if you're standing in the line of fire. That's exactly the same as pointing a gun at yourself and pulling the trigger. Is that the fault of the gun????? Nope, it's the fault of the person who decided to stand in the line of fire.

  • @nbagoats4819
    @nbagoats4819 9 років тому +39

    1 death is 1 death too many.

    • @damian3715
      @damian3715 8 років тому +9

      exactly too many companies have a "it's you job, do it" attitude and that results in deaths that could have been prevented

  • @sharonnicholson3393
    @sharonnicholson3393 Рік тому

    What was the speed of the projectile and what was the impact force 🤔

  • @sopranomommy1
    @sopranomommy1 11 років тому +1

    I'm impressed that you guys post these preventive videos, unlike OSHA or cal Osha.

  • @colonthree
    @colonthree 3 роки тому +2

    Welcome to the most brutal part of UA-cam. ;_;

  • @hattrickster33
    @hattrickster33 5 років тому +25

    For some reason this reminds me of Kara Hultgreen. She was accepted as a fighter pilot in the mostly because of pressure from the media/public to start training female fighter pilots. Her performance in testing showed she wasn't ready but she was still allowed to pass. In the end that cost her her life. I know this case is a bit different because any operator probably would have been injured. But someone of that height probably wouldn't have been given the job to begin with.

  • @u.sonomabeach6528
    @u.sonomabeach6528 3 роки тому

    1:31- Are the dark stains on the floor blood stains that are to the right of dude's feet and just in front of the blue legs of the machine?

  • @ianwest3301
    @ianwest3301 Рік тому

    as he says - "no one had ever seen this saw kick back a board with such force".
    you cant legislate for the rare, or unforeseeable freak accident -
    its easy to be wise after the event, so given his above statement, how could the employer have been expected to foresee this ?

    • @hanwentian5079
      @hanwentian5079 Рік тому

      You misunderstood the quote you are citing. It means not the unforeseeability of the accident, but the employer's complacency due to lack of harbinger. The hazard in general is not unknown, just read other comments.

  • @johnq.public2621
    @johnq.public2621 6 місяців тому

    Was she trained NOT to feed from that location?

  • @TiffMcGiff
    @TiffMcGiff Рік тому

    Par for the course up in BC. Gotta vote with your feet…

  • @ronbo30
    @ronbo30 Рік тому

    Lawyers were running on this.

  • @dlapp14
    @dlapp14 12 років тому +5

    @electrogear That saw is massive. I had a regular contractor saw throw a 2x6 30 feet back and slam into a wall behind me. They are real powerful because the blade tends to push the wood back. If the wood lifts off the table even slightly, goodbye..

  • @pentuprager6225
    @pentuprager6225 7 років тому +11

    Sorting out the wood into sizes. Great piece of advice that a business thinks costs more time and money so it is not needed. Can always hire another employee if one dies. Sad but profits over life.

  • @MaxwelldeAraujoRodrigues
    @MaxwelldeAraujoRodrigues 6 років тому

    Amem

  • @itzdasix
    @itzdasix 3 роки тому

    So is it safe to say the board struck her in the chest since she was so short?

  • @Graff-zr3tn
    @Graff-zr3tn 2 роки тому

    Working with table saws of any type creates multiple hazards. Typical production numbers over education.

  • @Roc-Righteous
    @Roc-Righteous 2 роки тому

    RIP 🙁

  • @GoatzombieBubba
    @GoatzombieBubba 4 роки тому

    Profit vs safety

  • @Dino-uo5vj
    @Dino-uo5vj 3 роки тому

    That's what we would call standing in the Bight in the bush. The bight is where your most likely to get nailed if something goes wrong. The worker should have been standing to the side.

  • @foesseauau4178
    @foesseauau4178 Рік тому

    Most likely a board that was very crooked to kickback so hard

  • @mishawakian
    @mishawakian 3 роки тому +2

    Safety first safety last,safety always.

  • @RoryStarr
    @RoryStarr 6 років тому +45

    Men -- even tall men -- die of kickback every year. The armchair geniuses in the comments that chalk this up to gender or height have literally no idea what they are talking about. It's a bad design with an obvious lack of consideration for the risks. Take some responsibility for the workplace you design.

    • @MAGAMAN
      @MAGAMAN 6 років тому +14

      The investigation showed that when was not tall enough to operate the machine safely. This is not a normal table saw, this is an industrial machine. The problem was not that she was a woman, the problem is that she was short and she was not strong enough to do the job correctly, so she moved to an unsafe position.
      People like you that make everything sexist are part of the problem. The employer may have been afraid to take action because they were afraid of a sexism lawsuit. In fact, the employer may have even tried to prevent this and been met with a "You're sexist and I'm gonna sue you" response. I'm not saying this was the case, but we don't know because that was not part of the video. I do know that women are in many jobs they are unqualified for because of this feminist behavior. They usually end up getting hurt, or hurting someone else and then sue the company for their own stupidity.
      The fact is that Men are _ generally_ stronger than women. You can bitch and moan about it and call me sexist all you want, but that won't change the fact.

    • @lastsforever4247
      @lastsforever4247 6 років тому +5

      MAGA MAN No doubt , operated properly these machines are relatively safe.

    • @veng3r663
      @veng3r663 5 років тому +2

      I worked for a time out at a Lumber Mill in Nampa Idaho with a similar deadly situation. In the year prior to my arrival there and outside saw kicked-back and killed one operator. The older replacement burly saw operator I was assisting had scar tissue all along the insides of both forearms due to another kick-back.
      Then one day while we was running some VERY rough-cut 2"x2" 10-foot lengths through that same outside saw which was having issues accepting the wood. As an added precaution he started feeding them through by using another piece to push them in. When suddenly there was a LOUD cracking sound from a violent kick-back which shattered his guide pole which cut his forearms open again before he could run for help.
      I thankfully was even farther off to the side as well which was a good thing because if either of us had been AT the saw operator control position the piece that had got shot back out WOULD have pierced us with a foot-and-a-half spear-tipped shaft sticking THROUGH the chain link fence behind us.
      I quick working there due to that and other safety issues soon afterwards... :(

  • @inund8
    @inund8 5 років тому +6

    CAN ALL THE IGNORANT DUDES STOP SAYING WOMEN ARE TOO SHORT FOR THE JOB. Maybe its the equipment that's too tall‽
    Work with me here for a second. I'm a designer, so I know a thing or two about this.
    The platform appears to be about 4 and half feet tall. The average height of a male is 5' 9", putting the rollers a few inches below chest height, which is a difficult height to be lifting to, especially when there is no good reason for it to be that high.
    Keep in mind that this is an average, so half the population is going to be even more uncomfortable on the machine.
    Now when you consider that an average female height is 5'4", its pretty obvious that there was no consideration given to ergonomics when designing this equipment.
    A 6+ foot tall person could easily lift to 4 feet without straining or bending uncomfortably, so why not make it that height? Or better yet, design it to be adjustable? Because the designer didn't consider the limiting condition on that part.

    • @StebanHern
      @StebanHern 4 роки тому +2

      You are stretching it a bit.

  • @Sandwich420
    @Sandwich420 3 роки тому +2

    Im sure the company blamed the worker

    • @clownchaostime3024
      @clownchaostime3024 3 роки тому +1

      They always do. They will dig up anything they can to dodge responsibility. If the worker had any drug issues, dwi's, mental health issue, ect...no matter at what point in life, even as far back as Teenage years...the company and their attorneys WILL bring those issues up as reasons for the employees death.

  • @abyssvoyeur
    @abyssvoyeur Рік тому

    why did the machine not come pre-installed with a barrier if kickbacks like that are possible??

  • @creepyoldhouseexplorersclub

    Safety first- my balls got ripped off from a kickback

  • @timequakezombie
    @timequakezombie 13 років тому +2

    a guy at my work was feeding the ripsaw and a piece 10 ft long and an inch thick kicked back and went right through his hand.

  • @neil2385
    @neil2385 5 років тому +1

    so sad

  • @bryans2790
    @bryans2790 3 роки тому

    Moral is.... don't be an operator!

  • @ldc71960
    @ldc71960 Рік тому

    I run a sawmill ...my edger has all the safety features ...but still I tell them to NOT stand behind that edger infeed.. anything can happen !
    Common sense ...

  • @13orrax
    @13orrax 2 роки тому

    i thought the title said worker killed when he saw kick backs

  • @WhiteDevil-du8ne
    @WhiteDevil-du8ne 3 роки тому

    Probably had minimal training. It's all about production in these factories and worker safety is often glossed over to make quotas.

  • @gkess7106
    @gkess7106 3 роки тому

    A second board was bumped that hard that she died? Not the board being cut? Hit that hard that less than half the cut board was able to propel the next board back at fatal speeds? OMG

    • @kurtyb7565
      @kurtyb7565 3 роки тому +1

      This is giant, powerful, industrial machinery, really not that surprising

  • @cupofsadge8359
    @cupofsadge8359 Рік тому

    I dont know anything about this tool. Whats the equivalent force of the board striking the woman? It mustve been like a bullet since it killed her

  • @MrLarsgren
    @MrLarsgren 3 роки тому +2

    you make it sound like its a rare thing.
    kick backs happen and ive even seen the sawblades being shot out of a machine that breaks.
    the worst enemy is poor maintenance and makeshift sollutions to bypass the 2 hands safety procedures on some machinery just to increase production.

  • @ffandrewd2986
    @ffandrewd2986 3 роки тому +2

    This is why you use a table saw with an auto stop feature that breaks the blade, but saves your ass

  • @ronaldoleksy8264
    @ronaldoleksy8264 2 роки тому

    Sounds like 6 boards is the problem. Cause of the hazard of thickness

  • @alomonwo
    @alomonwo 3 роки тому

    the voice over is what makes these videos interesting, just saying

  • @MAGAMAN
    @MAGAMAN 6 років тому +8

    This is not just a problem of the employer, not just a problem of employee stupidity. It is a combination of both. The employee should have never stood behind the saw. Other employees who saw the worker behind the saw should have reported it. The employer should have had better safety standards. As was mentioned in the video, the boards should have been pre-sorted to be within a certain size, there should have been some kind of barrier to prevent anyone from standing directly behind the saw, the operator should have let the company know that they were too short to do the job safely and been reassigned to something else.
    These kind of problems can rarely be pinned on only one person or one thing. They take a perfect combination of multiple things happening at once. The operator had probably fed boards this way numerous times and never had a problem. This is why I always cringe when I see woodworker on youtube talking about why they don't need a riving knife or blade guard on their table saws, or feed wood past the saw blade with their hands inches away from the blade (usually without a blade guard). Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it won't happen. When it does happen, you will not be fast enough to react. I came here from a video of a guy who was trying to demonstrate kickback from a saw safely. At least he thought he was safe and ready for what was going to happen. ua-cam.com/video/u7sRrC2Jpp4/v-deo.html
    My approach to woodworking is to pretend like every tool in my shop can kill me, because they can. It only takes a second of the mind wandering for something horrible to happen. Working without safety gear makes it 1000 times more likely to happen.

    • @HobbyOrganist
      @HobbyOrganist 6 років тому +1

      A co-worker lost parts of his fingers on a tablesaw, he was cutting small pieces of cherry piled on a cart next to him and the sliding table saw, as he cut a piece he reached around for the next piece, after a while of doing that he got careless and his fingers brushed against the blade when he moved his hand over the top of it while turning to get the next piece. The blade degloved the end of his index finger and damaged the middle finger. The doctors wound up amputating the two fingers to 1-2 joints back because the damage to the nerves and all was just enough to be serious.

  • @dellgladue5611
    @dellgladue5611 8 років тому +4

    I use to operate a similar saw cutting strips/slabs and yes it can kick back this 1 time I was feeding it with 2×4's back to back and it did kick back knocking the last 2×4 flying out of my hands good thing I have common sense to be standing a foot or 2 beside it while feeding the machine lumber or it could of been fatal for me

    • @Bennysol
      @Bennysol 6 років тому +2

      Dell Shaw yep, even a small basic table saw has some serious force. I was cutting down a small board as well and one time it kicked back on me and I had bruised ribs for a good 5 or 6 weeks. But it was also my own doing. I was using an old dull blade trying to cut down an oak 2x4 board. It was a true 2x4 too. A full 2 inch by 4 inch.

  • @blacktimhoward4322
    @blacktimhoward4322 Рік тому +1

    "The boards needed to be fed quickly, at about six to seven boards per minute."
    No. No they didn't. Not at this cost.

  • @averyfreeman6283
    @averyfreeman6283 3 роки тому

    I feel so bad 4 the women, no amount of Money can compensate LIFE. ☹☹🙏

  • @vinceking7878
    @vinceking7878 6 років тому +9

    Partly worker, partly employer.
    Lack of organization supervision and training. As well as the worker being too short.

    • @pseudophori6541
      @pseudophori6541 5 років тому +3

      vince King Or the saw being too tall. Shouldn’t the height be adjustable in some way in order to maximize efficiency?

  • @jamesiec61
    @jamesiec61 11 років тому +2

    Useful information. However, I can't count the number of users of circular saws which are used without the riving knife, and consequently, the guard. Basic requirement, surely.

    • @terryofford4977
      @terryofford4977 4 роки тому +1

      Yes indeed, in Sawmills in Indonesia I don't think I ever witnessed Saw Guards, I don't believe I ever saw a riving Knife, and I've seen massive 'Jerry Built Bandsaws being operated where the timber is shoved on a makeshift rail which was laying (but not attached to the floor) meantime the 'Operators were physically shoving huge Teak or Mahogany trunks thru, NO safety Stop switches anywhere near the barefoot operators shoving the five tone logs toward the blade.

  • @alcoholic2412
    @alcoholic2412 3 роки тому +2

    Anyone here specifically to watch someone get impaled by kickback and disappointed seeing only an animation?

  • @yattaguru
    @yattaguru 5 років тому +1

    Omg it's Mike Shinoda!

  • @Skyhawk1998
    @Skyhawk1998 7 років тому +7

    So the root cause was she was just too short? That seems... well, extremely stupid that this issue was not remedied. Would it have been too hard to get her a crate to stand on or something? I would think a supervisor would look at her struggling with the thing and realize that someone wrestling the machine won't be as fast or as efficient and would do something to help the issue.

    • @MAGAMAN
      @MAGAMAN 6 років тому +1

      Standing on a crate would have opened up a whole new set of dangers. She should have been reassigned to a different job that suited her better. It's not like this kind of work required and real skill.

    • @Bennysol
      @Bennysol 6 років тому +3

      GemCat there's a reason why in the NFL, offensive linemen weigh 300 pounds, linebackers weigh 250. Runningbacks weigh 200-230. Cornerbacks weigh 200-220, etc. Why people seem to think that any body can do any job has always been mindnumbing to me. Putting a tiny short little broad to work that saw in a sawmill? WTF? The new England patriots may as well hire a 5ft Chinese guy to play offensive line to protect Tom Brady. And then when a 300 pound defensive linemen with one hand picks him up and choke slams the little chinaman to the ground breaking his neck let's sit around and discuss what the NFL could have done to prevent this from happening. Equality, as what people believe it means today is a complete fucking joke.

    • @terryofford4977
      @terryofford4977 4 роки тому

      @@Bennysol How right you are....it's all about MONEY.

  • @lorenzorodriguez6192
    @lorenzorodriguez6192 3 роки тому +1

    RIP 🙏 safety only becomes protocol after the loss of a life...

  • @hulem98
    @hulem98 3 роки тому +5

    lmao the employer would never care if the employee could have died
    heck they don't even know if his height was 1m50. why would they increase the cost for "some risks that may never happen?"
    what are they? charity organization? we need rules and regulations to make sure these organizations put safety over profit and not the opposite.

  • @Emory_Powell
    @Emory_Powell Рік тому

    The edger where I work just did this yesterday when the guard fingers locked upward and almost crushed my pelvis with an 8 ft oak board. I was knocked off my catwalk 10 feet away under the resaw chain. The only thing that saved me from serious injury was my dickies belt buckle.

  • @Meowface.
    @Meowface. 2 роки тому

    Probably should have been standing to the side

  • @japanesesuicideforestman6457
    @japanesesuicideforestman6457 6 років тому +1

    How strong is a kick back.

    • @terryofford4977
      @terryofford4977 4 роки тому

      Even using a 'HOME Style (DIY) Mitre Saw, the kickback, especially if cutting resinous or High Density timber is very considerable and safety precautions should be taken,i.e DON'T stand directly behind the work piece, if you are a little shorty, ensure you have a wooden platform of sufficient width/length and sustainability to hold you, also use clamps to hold timber on such a ssaw when making a cross cut, and when using , especially overhead Ripping actions, ensure you stand on one side. The speed and power on modern machinery can be lethal. Think before cutting.

    • @terryofford4977
      @terryofford4977 4 роки тому

      I should have added that Kickback is vicious using a Compound mitre saw on shortish timber lengths when RIPPING, ALWaYS use the lockdown clamps if you use your . Compound Mitre saw for Ripping, even if its only short length.s

    • @MoneyManHolmes
      @MoneyManHolmes 3 роки тому

      Like 200 mph strong. I will never own a table saw - even a portable homeowner version. These videos scare the hell out of me.

  • @KC9UDX
    @KC9UDX 6 років тому +20

    The problem with our modern society is that we blame the employer, the government, etc. If you don't think it's safe, you shouldn't be doing it.

  • @SimonElenor
    @SimonElenor Рік тому

    How about giving the employers some basic life saving training. Are telling me the board crushed her? It probably just stopped her heart. CPR should be a basic for ANY employer.

  • @chrismcdonald6481
    @chrismcdonald6481 11 років тому +1

    In grade 10 woodwork, when using a table saw,the shop teacher showed us how to use a push stick...As soon as the teacher left the room, the class clown put a piece of wood without the push stick and it kicked back and shot 25 feet back against the wall and put a 3/4 dent into the wall...That was bored into my mind ever since.