As a operator I hate to see another operator die,I've been building roads for 35 years and in that time I've had 3 friends die from on the job accidents, and I've seen a dozen amputations,if the family See's this I'm sorry for your loss god bless
@@darknessthehedgehog3 no, this is wrong. I absolutely love nature and conservation so I understand the extremism in a sense. But violence will not help the earth it will hurt it. Think how you would feel if you were this person, they died... imagine dying so suddenly and unexpectedly... Not to mention you are a big hypocrit. Using technology, using irrigation from freshwater ecosystems, living in a Woodhouse, consuming food from agricultural practices, all of which fuel the amounting deforestation, carbonization and pollution of our planet... like all the ELF sympathizers and PETA radicals you're just as bad as the very people you wish death upon...
It's up to the operator to make sure his equipment is safe. If my boss tried to force me to run an unsafe piece of equipment I would not do it . It's my life in it not his.
People have survived much worse than slow speed rollovers. Being strapped in would have made his chances at better. The reason he died was probably an injury he wouldn't have gotten with a belt on, like a head injury.
Although I do think the belt would've helped, I tend to agree! That much tonnage, rolling down a hill that steep, a distance of over 400ft, is one HELL of a violent ride! The operator likely died of severe head trauma or internal bleeding. Shit...probably both!
my uncle took a job it had 40%+ grade a tower job but between the signing of the contract and start of the job the company broke up leaving him without the tower and him open toa lawsuit for not meeting his obligations in the contract. he bought a new skidder hired my brother to run it and a long time friend to help on the landing the landing was at the bottom of the hill my brother would drag the line up the hill hook to a stump then winch the skiddet up the hill backwards drop the blade to hold it while he'd choke a entire log truck load of logs get in the skidder to raise the blade and floor the throttle in a attempt to out run the logs behind him to the landing 7 times he rolled the skidder. each time my uncle's friend told him what he was doing wrong. finally my brother said you do and show me how . he when up the hill and hooked a turn started down the hill and after about 30 feet rolled it end over end down the hill with the entire load of logs landing on him and the skidder. he he suffered a broken neck
Im an old logger and the seat belt should have been replaced, seat belts that are frayed or partially torn will fail, seat belts can get cut from seat going up and down but having been burned replace immediately, skidder operator should only have backed straight over and straight back up.. I have skidded on ground north of Mackenzie BC, we skid 70 and 80% compo doesn`t care
Poor guy, may he rest in peace, and any operators or loggers, any of that, please stay safe you guys! No matter how silly or extra some safety measures sound, always follow them, now matter how much experience you have, the last thing you would want is to be killed in a horrible way. I wish everyone here a long and happy life :)
I have been using a tractor loader backhoe on my property with 20 to 25% slopes in many areas for 14 years, without loaded tires, and I make movements very carefully. The cause of the operator's death was more ignorance than the seatbelt.
Are skidder operators under pressure from the Bosses to get these jobs done? How are these accidents happening? What's the rules in the Forestry while approaching a gradient up or down?
My boss would get So pissed if I wasn't working fast. He had no safety concerns what so ever. He just wanted his paycheck from the mill and my life was not a concern. I worked as long as I felt comfortable but some of these people just don't care. I was on a job 6 miles away from any human contact. No cell service. And he expected me to do a job by myself. Some people just don't care.
This is an operator who would have been being cocky thinking he could grab them not on the bosses here because in a yarder block it must be done via yarder no exceptions or you will pay a fine and depending on what you did or how many times you will lose your business license that is way to small of a skidder to pull up 40% nevermind sidehill it
Now that is a shitty situation. The seat belt was damaged behind the seat! This is one of those situations even I would have probably missed and I am pretty safe.
i noticed stumps have alot to do with rollovers. and the wrong angle im just learning to operate a skidder and alot of times freak myself out on flat ground because of the stumps. 4days in and going to go back to camp to learn more
@timrules81 wont take to long to get used to that ive been doing it three months now first two blocks were pretty flat now they got me on one thats up to 40-45%. 20% side hill dont even worry about it. ive even had sine two wheels off the ground. what skidder do you run and wide or narrow tires
It's criminal how little these workers make for some of the most dangerous work in the world, at a time when kids are millionaires from twitch and such
wow how careless of that operator to try and defy the laws of physics, its not a good idea to try to pull a drag on a thirty percent plus hill while you are paralell to it. Skidder operator is one of the most dangerous jobs in north america i started when i was 17 you have to be a very calculated and risky person. Be safe to all you lumberJacks out there.
Stone Cold We post safety videos as well as video slide shows that illustrate real accident investigations often related to worker fatalities -- these are likely the videos you're referring to.
+WorkSafeBC it seems that words that are repeated in every video are "could have been prevented" then people think I am weird for checking my seatbelts, lights , brake function and fluids before I set off. a cut or damaged part in any lifting kit, seatbelt or ratchet strap means the item is binned, tyres with a sidewall cut deeper then 1mm are waste, chains are checked on stress ( from 0 shape to 8 shape means it is scrap) and certified gear gets periodic testing to keep the certificates in check and a paper trail known in the unfortunate event of a accident.
When I count the number of old friends & workmates who were killed or maimed whilst working in the woods, including my father, it breaks my heart. Anything that prevents more accidents is welcome. The same incidents kill people in UK too. Never ever take chances in that work unless you've thought hard & planned how to extract yourself if the worst does happen. I've rolled a skidder 3 times & had enough luck & good sense to cling to the steering column as the world revolved around me. Don't work on slopes of more than 35%? Sometimes we have to..
Since this has been sitting here unanswered for nine years I'm undoubtedly wasting my time, but slope in roads, terrain and other civil engineering and surveying areas are generally measured by percentages determined by the ratio of the length of a slope in relation to the rise. A rise of one foot on a slope of one foot is a vertical which equals a 100% slope. A rise of one foot in 10 feet is a 10% slope. BTW skidder operator for 20+ years. Bad choice by the operator. Secondly the whipping action in that many rolls might very well have killed him with an intact belt. Your head is likely going to contact many metallic parts even with the belt.
@@Mudpuppyjunior This has been sitting here for 3 years, and it is incorrect. The slope is the ratio of the rise to the horizontal distance (not the slope distance). A 100% slope is a 1:1 or 45° degree slope. The slope is the tangent of the angle above horizontal, not the sine. The angle whose tangent is 40% is 22 degrees, and by the same calculation a 70% slope is 35 degrees.
All because the boss was too fuckin cheap to replace the seatbelt; Seen a lot of worn out saftey equipment; first one to bitch is the first one laid off! happened to me.
What a thing to say. Notice that quite a few of the comments seem to be from contractors and operators spending their free time to study past accidents- to better understand how these situations can occur. They express their condolences and share solidarity with the family of this operator. That sounds like a professional to me.
As a operator I hate to see another operator die,I've been building roads for 35 years and in that time I've had 3 friends die from on the job accidents, and I've seen a dozen amputations,if the family See's this I'm sorry for your loss god bless
Funny how nature gets back after destroying it
@@darknessthehedgehog3 thats pretty rude. those guys are just trying to make a living
@@darknessthehedgehog3 no, this is wrong. I absolutely love nature and conservation so I understand the extremism in a sense. But violence will not help the earth it will hurt it. Think how you would feel if you were this person, they died... imagine dying so suddenly and unexpectedly...
Not to mention you are a big hypocrit. Using technology, using irrigation from freshwater ecosystems, living in a Woodhouse, consuming food from agricultural practices, all of which fuel the amounting deforestation, carbonization and pollution of our planet... like all the ELF sympathizers and PETA radicals you're just as bad as the very people you wish death upon...
@@darknessthehedgehog3 what are you even on about?
@@whiskerbiscuit6209 dude sounds like an edgelord
It's up to the operator to make sure his equipment is safe. If my boss tried to force me to run an unsafe piece of equipment I would not do it . It's my life in it not his.
I agree with you. The problem of course is that in many cases if you refuse to do it you get sacked and many can't afford to be without paying work.
Sadly even if all the safety precautions are taken accidents still happen :(
@NexonnoxeN Yeah, that bit was animated. I thought it was actually pretty realistic. :o)
It was, I’m on mobile and it looked real at first, then I realized they wouldn’t risk an operator just to recreate the accident.
Why are 1:41 and 1:51 look like the incline e from that 1996 safety film.
Never operate a machine on a side hill. That almost seems common sense, but then again, common sense isn't so common.
A pretty foolish operator maneuvering it sideways on a slope like that !!
Do it all the time he hit a stump it was over
A sobering reminder. I hope that more people are now aware of the need to inspect your seatbelts. AND wear the damn things. That too.
Wow that’s sad. All it takes is for one log to kick up or slide down lifting the opposite tire turning the machine over.
As an operator guys this can happen to anyone please be safe. And set your limits. Rip
It's crazy to see some of these comments are 10 years old. Shit time flies..
I doubt an intact seatbelt would have saved an operator from so many forceful rollovers.
i think it would help a lot but yeah you would not be looking very pretty by the end of it
People have survived much worse than slow speed rollovers. Being strapped in would have made his chances at better. The reason he died was probably an injury he wouldn't have gotten with a belt on, like a head injury.
Although I do think the belt would've helped, I tend to agree!
That much tonnage, rolling down a hill that steep, a distance of over 400ft, is one HELL of a violent ride! The operator likely died of severe head trauma or internal bleeding. Shit...probably both!
@@benjamins9121 You can get a serious head injury just from being jarred. You don't need any impact. See Dr. Daniel Amen.
But it tore. So guess who's liable?
My dad is a logger in bc and this made me feel sad
Just never go sideways on a slope, in any vehicle. Skidder, lawnmower, car, truck, doesn’t matter. Always up and down
my uncle took a job it had 40%+ grade a tower job but between the signing of the contract and start of the job the company broke up leaving him without the tower and him open toa lawsuit for not meeting his obligations in the contract. he bought a new skidder hired my brother to run it and a long time friend to help on the landing the landing was at the bottom of the hill
my brother would drag the line up the hill hook to a stump then winch the skiddet up the hill backwards drop the blade to hold it while he'd choke a entire log truck load of logs get in the skidder to raise the blade and floor the throttle in a attempt to out run the logs behind him to the landing 7 times he rolled the skidder. each time my uncle's friend told him what he was doing wrong.
finally my brother said you do and show me how .
he when up the hill and hooked a turn started down the hill and after about 30 feet rolled it end over end down the hill with the entire load of logs landing on him and the skidder.
he he suffered a broken neck
Im an old logger and the seat belt should have been replaced, seat belts that are frayed or partially torn will fail, seat belts can get cut from seat going up and down but having been burned replace immediately, skidder operator should only have backed straight over and straight back up.. I have skidded on ground north of Mackenzie BC, we skid 70 and 80% compo doesn`t care
we had a rollover today rolled up on it`s top, becarefull guys your not invenceable
operating earthmoving plant for a living, i didnt wear my seatbelt, untill i saw this video
Man I never did till I rolled my skidder
He said dont worry i wont do that no more.
Poor guy, may he rest in peace, and any operators or loggers, any of that, please stay safe you guys! No matter how silly or extra some safety measures sound, always follow them, now matter how much experience you have, the last thing you would want is to be killed in a horrible way. I wish everyone here a long and happy life :)
The nation’s #1 most dangerous job. Loggers are true heroes. Hats of may they Rest In Peace.
Actually it’s second most dangerous job. Us commercial fishermen claim the number one spot.
Seatbelts although very helpful cannot help in every accident that occurs and it is sad that they skid driver lost their life.
yes, sometimes shit like this happen to the most skilled worker.
plus that seat belt looks to me like was not good enough you know!
Wasn't the slope. He hit a hole with his rear right tire. Luca
I don't really think this accident requires a lot of investigation it just seems like pure stupidity caused it
Logging is dangerous occupation.it is compounded by improper tools or equipment for the job at hand.safety first. Logging trees second .
I have been using a tractor loader backhoe on my property with 20 to 25% slopes in many areas for 14 years, without loaded tires, and I make movements very carefully. The cause of the operator's death was more ignorance than the seatbelt.
Rolled up on a stump bo longer 40% grade more like 75%
That seatbelt damage sounds sketchy. It was half cut/burned through behind the seat where nobody would notice
What do you imply? Serious question.
Seat belts fail regularly. Look into it.
Are skidder operators under pressure from the Bosses to get these jobs done? How are these accidents happening? What's the rules in the Forestry while approaching a gradient up or down?
My boss would get So pissed if I wasn't working fast. He had no safety concerns what so ever. He just wanted his paycheck from the mill and my life was not a concern. I worked as long as I felt comfortable but some of these people just don't care. I was on a job 6 miles away from any human contact. No cell service. And he expected me to do a job by myself. Some people just don't care.
This is an operator who would have been being cocky thinking he could grab them not on the bosses here because in a yarder block it must be done via yarder no exceptions or you will pay a fine and depending on what you did or how many times you will lose your business license that is way to small of a skidder to pull up 40% nevermind sidehill it
@@hankisabelle1401 capitalism SMH
nice animation on the stills helps show what happen
Skidder operators are the lowest rung on the forrestry machinery ladder.
@Vstar4Jesus wow they have seatbelts in skidders.
Now that is a shitty situation. The seat belt was damaged behind the seat! This is one of those situations even I would have probably missed and I am pretty safe.
idk tho, i bet that seatbelt was ripped b4 this accident.
i noticed stumps have alot to do with rollovers. and the wrong angle
im just learning to operate a skidder and alot of times freak myself out on flat ground because of the stumps.
4days in and going to go back to camp to learn more
Protrusion is a prime danger. Can happen on almost any heavy equipment. Like dozers working with tree piles.
@timrules81 wont take to long to get used to that ive been doing it three months now first two blocks were pretty flat now they got me on one thats up to 40-45%. 20% side hill dont even worry about it. ive even had sine two wheels off the ground. what skidder do you run and wide or narrow tires
ROPS and FOPS tested
Well, this wouldn’t had happened if we started using hemp more
Just avoid working altogether.. it’s dangerous 🤣
It's criminal how little these workers make for some of the most dangerous work in the world, at a time when kids are millionaires from twitch and such
That seat belt looks so rusty and outdated. ☹☹
Never trust anyone who feels compelled to wear a helmet to make a UA-cam video.
Are you still this dense?
Anyone else binge watching these?! 🤣 send help!
was that a real video of the accident???
Looked real.
How about common sense? Ever thought of preaching that?
wow how careless of that operator to try and defy the laws of physics, its not a good idea to try to pull a drag on a thirty percent plus hill while you are paralell to it. Skidder operator is one of the most dangerous jobs in north america i started when i was 17 you have to be a very calculated and risky person. Be safe to all you lumberJacks out there.
Did he died?
In logging woods it's tough wearing a seatbelt jumping stomps I no I'm a operator I don't wear mine
Kill the earth, the earth kills you. Remorse can't be located
At least your not going to get killed by it.
looks like to me the operator fucked up that skidder never should have been near the hill
The worker can be replaced. That was a nice skidder.
Bad operator' driving on a steep hillside on the diagonal ...........
@leandercool i saw that to i was like what the heck, and i see that little roundish thing as an eye and more......
In England 'Skidders' are underpants..............
Reminds me.of those monster trucks
common sense. HMMMMMM
1:07...woooot! Watch out Operator!!
i thought this had something to do with my username
Iv opperated saws like tht we stand on side arms strach to push boards nit stand on rear end common sence tell u tht😂
Wow my sis works in a skiloader
Logging skidder... not skidloader
well if your a smart careful operator you wont have accidents
What's with all of your videos saying "killed" in the title, are you some kind of fear-mongering alarmist?
Stone Cold We post safety videos as well as video slide shows that illustrate real accident investigations often related to worker fatalities -- these are likely the videos you're referring to.
+WorkSafeBC it seems that words that are repeated in every video are "could have been prevented" then people think I am weird for checking my seatbelts, lights , brake function and fluids before I set off. a cut or damaged part in any lifting kit, seatbelt or ratchet strap means the item is binned, tyres with a sidewall cut deeper then 1mm are waste, chains are checked on stress ( from 0 shape to 8 shape means it is scrap) and certified gear gets periodic testing to keep the certificates in check and a paper trail known in the unfortunate event of a accident.
When I count the number of old friends & workmates who were killed or maimed whilst working in the woods, including my father, it breaks my heart. Anything that prevents more accidents is welcome. The same incidents kill people in UK too. Never ever take chances in that work unless you've thought hard & planned how to extract yourself if the worst does happen. I've rolled a skidder 3 times & had enough luck & good sense to cling to the steering column as the world revolved around me. Don't work on slopes of more than 35%? Sometimes we have to..
Arjan Wilbie you don’t like the word killed? Stop crying and don’t watch the video then
Stone Cold, it’s common practice to label a video with the contents.
A little cheesy.. no offense
I did that in mini scale once
I've been on a way worse slope than that and i'm only 14 if that was a John Deere he would have been fine
Kodi Dore 14 wait til you grow up then tell me about a JD
You ain't 14 anymore lmao
Women talking wonder if she ever run a skidder before ?
Nice? Honestly.... the man died
nice
hope you make fifteen
What on earth is a "40% slope"? Wouldn't that be said to be a slope of 40 degrees, an actual measurement system?
Since this has been sitting here unanswered for nine years I'm undoubtedly wasting my time, but slope in roads, terrain and other civil engineering and surveying areas are generally measured by percentages determined by the ratio of the length of a slope in relation to the rise. A rise of one foot on a slope of one foot is a vertical which equals a 100% slope. A rise of one foot in 10 feet is a 10% slope.
BTW skidder operator for 20+ years. Bad choice by the operator. Secondly the whipping action in that many rolls might very well have killed him with an intact belt. Your head is likely going to contact many metallic parts even with the belt.
@@Mudpuppyjunior
This has been sitting here for 3 years, and it is incorrect.
The slope is the ratio of the rise to the horizontal distance (not the slope distance). A 100% slope is a 1:1 or 45° degree slope.
The slope is the tangent of the angle above horizontal, not the sine.
The angle whose tangent is 40% is 22 degrees, and by the same calculation a 70% slope is 35 degrees.
I like it better in roofing terms. you can say 4 on 12 or changer scale to 16 on 48. Easy to visualize.
get a job at stabucks
no one in the right mind should ever run a piece of equipment with out a seatbelt
You twat, he was wearing a seatbelt. They say it on the video
All because the boss was too fuckin cheap to replace the seatbelt; Seen a lot of worn out saftey equipment; first one to bitch is the first one laid off! happened to me.
They were killing trees all day..
So we should just do away with using lumber or any wood products?
Score one for wildlife Maybe they should have gotten a more professional job
What a thing to say. Notice that quite a few of the comments seem to be from contractors and operators spending their free time to study past accidents- to better understand how these situations can occur. They express their condolences and share solidarity with the family of this operator. That sounds like a professional to me.
So we should do away with lumber or any wood products?