The Brutal Murder That Ignited Denmark's BLM Movement
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2021
- Phillip Mbuji Johansen was killed with a knee to his neck a few weeks after George Floyd was murdered. The killing by two brothers - one with white power tattoos - took place at night, in the forest on a remote Danish island. It took just two days for police to declare that it had "nothing to do with race." The case is probably the most racially charged in living memory in Denmark, and has forced many Danes to confront the issue of racism in their country for the first time.
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If your “friends” are calling you the N word or “the black guy” I can promise you those aren’t your friends.
@j - k yeah white people don’t typically call black people the N word as a term of endearment…especially in Europe.
@Oh Pressed YT none of my white friends greet me as my name and the N word or, “the black guy”. Smh Where are you from?
why can't I call black guy to a black guy? you're stupid. I'm brown and I don't get offended if someone call me brown.
@@JuanPerez-vv5lk I’m not sure if you rode the little yellow bus to school but, IF THEY ARE YOUR FRIENDS!! They shouldn’t be calling you the black guy. Or the N word and your name. Also if you want to call a, “melanated person” by the color of their skin you’d call them a brown guy or dark brown guy because most, “black guys” are actually brown guys. I’m not sure if you’ll get it but I’m sure everyone else will. 😒
@@JuanPerez-vv5lk
The difference...
Other white person: who you going to concert with?
Rassist: That black guy i know.
NonRassist: my friend Dave....the black guy I'm friends with, etc.
It's how something is said more than the words being used but still matters. And it's probably rare a rassist would go anywhere with POC, but you get my point.
The fact that they described him as colored and N word Philip is mind blowing…and his own “friend” protesting getting him justice killed me
If it’s like that why would anyone wana go to a place like that where they’re not wanted nor respected by even their friends
Places like this usually close ranks when something happens that gets the attention of the outside world.
Edit: I also don’t know how the word colored is perceived there. The white news guy says Philip was colored right to a mix raced girl. It maybe a literal translation which doesn’t have the same connotations as in the English speaking world.
Literally I’m watching this-shook.
@@Jewel_Screaming_Chango8387 it’s better than their own country and they receive reparations so they’ll never leave..not alive. It can’t be too bad if there opening their legs willing to Whytes.
Not one of these Danes have shown any empathy for this black man brutal death. That’s all the evidence I need.
There is a different culture in Denmark as opposed to the USA. They are more objective & analytical about a lot of things. This is not an excuse, just an observation. I have a friend who is from Denmark & I had some really interesting conversations with her about the differences between Denmark & the USA.
@@ozymandiaspbs compassion and empathy doesn’t have borders, it’s a human kinship.. tf
@@Heworldwide - Did I say the Danes do not have compassion? No, I did not. I said that the culture is different. The people there show compassion & empathy just like everyone else. They just tend to be more rational & analytical. They do not let their emotions overrule their brains. It is important to be caring AND a logical, rational human being. Otherwise there would be anarchy.
@@ozymandiaspbs You're attempting to normalize racism and those who excuse it.
@@Heworldwide what about whites being raped and murdered in South Africa? are you protesting for white lives in Africa? lol I bet you are not
When Mama said “Phillips father was danish, they could’ve just killed me” a mother should never have to feel that way about something they she can’t change
When she said that, my heart broke.
I can’t stop crying after that admission.
😔🙏
I broke into tears when she said that
well when your son is a criminal, it only makes sense to feel that way.
Phillip had some interesting friends. Two of them killed him and the other is on the other side of the protest line. Choose your "friends" wisely.
You have no idea of what actually happened.
And they're not against Phillip nor fighting racism; they merely are against encouraging a false narrative of racism. This is hurting his memory
@@emilegriffith1473 no one has a particularly great idea of what happened, but two of them undeniably killed him, one of them, the one who stood on the "other side" was evidently not close, and ironically it was the other Black one who seemed most sympathetic to him and closest out of those covered. I wonder why that was.
what this shows is the media makes money off black people dying...and that's sick
@@emilegriffith1473 False narrative?
@@Evocati-Augusti ironically, though, you would never have known about this incident without media.
And media can't cover this unless they make money.
Tobias the German, and Philip the N-word, are not on the same frequency.
Seriously if somebody had said Tobias the Nazi and asked him how he felt then we could've got a real reaction, but judging by his behavior and demeanor he might actually like that nickname
Theres a huge undercurrent rise of neo Nazism in Europe which is sad because the same ideology literally almost destroyed the entire continent not even 100 years ago. They are lucky the US and other countries saved them or they'd be speaking German and most of them would be dead. Germans hated 90% of Europeans even other whites.
While I agree they aren't on the same frequency, the n-word has much less weight in Denmark and isn't generally seen as derogatory as it is in the US.
Part of it is also ignorance as there are (or were) very few non-white people in Denmark
I came to the comment sec to say that very thing. Such denial and naivety. Bartender's response was indicative of the problem. Racist and personal.
forreal one is a country smh
I love how the “all lives matter” crowd show up only to argue against anyone saying “Black lives matter”…. If they feel so strongly for ALL lives, why don’t they appear any other time?
Which black lives though? What about the young kids and teens who are being killed in Chicago on a daily basis? Or are you only worrying about when thugs get killed?
@William the organization BLM has a specific focus…so yes, they will choose with situations to address. “All lives matter” folks on the other hand only exist to argue against anyone that agrees with the statement that Black Lives Matter. Because if they truly believed that ALL matter, why don’t we see them any other time? There’s a lot of suffering in the world, so they’d have plenty of issues to tackle and protest if they actually cared to…
@@Janna_Ash They use black folks in order to buy mansions.
@@Janna_Ash Only 20 something black people have been killed by police which is alot lower to Whites being killed by police and peanuts compared to all the people who are being murdered in Chicago on a daily basis.
@@taurusbull8276 it's a difference between white people getting killed for a reason and black people getting killed for no reason. It's hella groups that are about black on black. Mostly gang related so instead of speaking on something that is just deeper than black on black understand the living environment compared to a average white person
Obvious that these people made Phillip believe that he was accepted but thought less of him.
The lack of empathy and concern in the demeanor of his mates is really shocking. He took no moment to delve deeply into thinking whether it wasn't or was racially motivated is shocking. Please tell me it's just a cultural difference? His behavior proves exactly why it was racially motivated.
How many more centuries of evidence is needed? I enjoyed the piece because they couldn't even hide the raw hate, they didn't care that someone was brutally murdered and tortured because that part isn't offensive to them.
@@buFFlosouljah1 I'm so disgusted by them. My heart hurts for the Mom.
They looked Terrified to me
@@buFFlosouljah1 correct. They were more concerned about being perceived as racist, and possibly losing tourist dollars, than they were concerned about doing or saying racist things...
That's because they're not his mates. They are more concerned on how their town/country is viewed, than what actually happened to their so-called friend. Who counter protests something like this? It's so assbackwards and stupid. So obviously racist. The sad parr is the police, government, etc... are all more concerned to not be labeled as racist, rather than prosecute two men who hate killed a man because the color of his skin.
I don't know anyone with a swastika...wanna know why? Because they probably don't like me or wouldn't want anything to do with me. These guys were blatant and hid their racism in plain site, very matter of fact, and obvious.
Poor Phillip. Even his "friends" didn't stand up for him, after knowing he was killed because he was half Black. If you got friends like this beware. They will turn on you!
Straight Facts! Well Said!
I have witnessed that they will turn the on you when it comes to their own.
Sadly his friends are hurting but they have to be careful not to be killed too, if they showed one once of sympathy for their friend. Racism is everywhere.
It’s always the halfies like myself, that are denied the justice & acknowledgment bc of opinions of yT people delegating their truths and then what they see fit for racist motives. It fuxking makes me literally sick.
@@priscillablount6862 don’t say “they” as a collective. Believe it or not, white people aren’t inherently racist. Most of them aren’t racist at all. Stop with the bullshit.
His poor momma...the way she kissed his photo you could just feel all her sadness pouring out of her. Heartbreaking.
Yes I felt her pain. Having sons one can relate.
The Black Lives Matter woman has to be under police guard with a call button for help her now. I think that might be a clue that racism exists in Denmark 🇩🇰 Duh pfft and hi-d-ho. Denial in Denmark.
Just broke 💔 my heart no parent should ever have to go through that ever.😞
I know it made me break down immediately.
So sad ,poor mother
I couldnt stop laughing at her! wish I had the audiobook to fall asleep to at night
I am giving all the props to the journalist as I would have slightly gone off on some of these interviewees.
Period! She kept her composure. I could never
That's why she's the reporter
You're just a typical Karen then. The police already said race wasn't part of the murder.
The guy who owned the news outlet,or was the editor of it, around 18 +\- shut her down. She did a good job with the rest though.
@@kbengson9163 he didn’t shut shut down. He exposed himself. For, the White racist, he is. F@&k him. He thinks he’s soo superior, he can tell someone what they want it to be. No more than what he wants the case to be.
9:30
"There are a lot of Phillips, we called the black one the N word to distinguish him. I'm called Tobias the German because I'm German. What's the difference?"
Yeah, I can see why Phillip didn't want to talk about his experiences with racism to you.
I don't think non Americans understand what that word means
@@kyle9401 I don't think many do either, and that's part of the problem.
I know right?
@@kyle9401 Oh they DO!
Maybe you kill your friend. The defense lawyer is really going for this false narrative for the sake of his clients. There's absolutely no way he can honestly believe this. Just doing his job. If it ever got out he understands this crime is completely a hate crime and possibly a copycat George Floyd hate crime he will be removed. Basically he has to play dumb to the facts that blatantly surrounding this specifically racially charged crime.
If two black men with Black Power tattoos did that to their white friend, it would be considered a hate crime without question.
they do that all the time in South Africa, start supporting white lives in South Africa!
@@carlosm.3426 they can go back home to Europe.
@@carlosm.3426 lol know they don't. Still spreading the "white genocide" bs I see.
@@naysaynetwork5271 would it be OK for all Europeans to tell black people to get out of Europe? It's their ancestral land after all. Europeans are called bigots for not wanting giant waves of economic immigrants to move into their countries illegally, but it's OK to tell white people that have lived in South Africa for generations to go back to Europe? To get off black peoples ancestral land. If that's the case then it should work both ways.
Absolutely
Saying _"they were friends"_ as if it somehow negates the glaring racism that played a leading role in this young man's murder is quite literally no different than telling a woman she couldn't have been raped by her husband simply bc _"they were married."_
To be fair, the "friend" of the guys probably was in denial about his other friends being racist. I wouldn't want to believe my friends killed another one of my friends over skin color either. Not saying it's right, I'm saying it makes sense. As far as courts and justice system goes it should be glaringly obvious.
Just like Dylan Roofe had black friends
i wish blacks would stop embracing criminal culture. makes it hard to care about or respect them
This case reminds me Emmet Till , a young boy who was lynched in Mississippi, and his two white murderers were found not guilty because a white woman accused him of sexually assaulting her. Which later was found to be false.
just to correct you there with this story, actually he simply whistled at a pretty lady in town. Her brothers saw him whistle, so they ran into his house at night (he was visiting his family but was actually from Chicago) dragged him out, brutally beat him to death and left him in the river. When his body was found it was so badly beat his face was unrecognizable.
@@daisyscott8157 None of that is remotely true. The woman, Carolyn Bryant, admitted that she made the entire thing up.
I thought the same thing.
What about the white 6yo who was stabbed to death by a black man who broke in his home and he was found not guilty? Who really has the privilege in this country? Racism is only a code word for anti white.
This case was similar but different because in this case the murderers were convicted and sentenced to prison. In the case of Emmet Till the murderer went free.
That reporter got emotionally defensive. That tells me that he is offended. That he is being called out on his idea to so quickly side with one side that he happened to agree with . "Colorblindness" is just as dangerous as racism in a lot of ways.
It is the denial of racism aka racism
@@buFFlosouljah1 Bingo!
Everybody’s playing dumbAnd they trying so hard to not look racist.
BLM hates Latinos. Latinos need to rise up against them.
Lol no one cares. Cope
@@Calvinmob6886 I wonder what all the half black half Latino adults/kids in NY, NJ, FL, GA, CA, OH & TX think about this 🤣🤣🤣
@@f-86zoomer37 I care 😁
But it shows and the world is watching you and i will tell people to never go there .It should be a no go zone, because clearly they lost their minds if they don't see race. It is a crock of s**t.
Those subhuman demons tortured and murdered him- and then BLAMED HIM saying he had raped their mother.
The level of racist evil between these two is unfathomable.
I’m glad that this is getting covered because I’ve been trying to tell my more Eurocentric friends that racism exists everywhere. When you frame racism as an exclusively American problem you deny the experiences of a lot of people across the globe.
We need more of you!
Europe and Asia are both vastly more racist than America in my experience
It's how Canada has gotten away with it's anti Indigenous racism for so long.
Well said
Who gives a FxK. These are our countries and our cultures. Go to America or stay in your countries if you dont like it in Europe.
No matter where you go the "aLl lIvEs mAtTeR" always looking ignorant af
I mean if we’re talking groups… BLM ain’t changed sh!t…. Nothing. Not a single thing has changed and I know plenty of teens and adults who support BLM. They’ve all become more hateful. They sound like black Trump supporters with a different view. I hope you all got fire wood and canned food… World wars tend to be dark and cold for about 4-15 years.
Anybody is able to fall blindly into a rabbit hole full of propaganda.
@@probablyabouttoargue3264 aside from the group does Black Lives Matter? There is a difference between the group and the movement.
Wrong! black lives matter first because you know very dam well if that was you getting killed by blacks in denmark you kkk would have lost your minds.Your life cannot matter until you cowards own up to what you have done to black people your whole entire life, Then when you admit your wrong's and the conversation begains then maybe will get to the point and say all lives matter. But until then B.L.M
When BLM..makes the statement that only black lives matter then their message is mute!
No life matters if it feels my life don't matter..lock and load!
Dont hang around people who obviously have no love or respect for you. With friends like these...
Who needs enemies
Seriously, he was hanging around people that called n**** Philip. Like bro major red flags
Africa needs more diversity of white and Asian cultures
@Chime In
You play you pay
He knew what time it was
Im not putting it on the victim but you have to be responsible and guard your life. No one else can do it for you. Love yourself more than the need to be accepted by toxic people.
If there is no racism in DK why would she be under police protection? …
Excellent question, because they know it was wrong but will not admit it & are playing dumb because it is easier to play the fool.
That News paper Editor is so freaking lost. It would almost be the equivalent of a all male news staff discussing female issues and saying they are qualified just because they are Human..
Your comment is spot-on!
He's really a fool.
THIS
I liked the newspaper editor he said what he believes to be true not covering up with some BS straight facts the way he sees it good for you man
These people aren't human.
They're on code across the globe.
That's alien 👽 togetherness in operation against God's Chosen ones.
I will never look at Denmark the same I’ll tell you that!
The way Phillip was killed seems like he was tortured. How on earth is that simply a personal matter? Like do they think the murders last words to Phillip were, "Yeah, I killed you but it had nothing to do with the color of your skin. I'm a murderer, not a racist.
I’ve traveled to Denmark from Sweden many times, for business and for cruises but I will never go back. You think each time it’s going to get better, but it doesn’t. They are seriously racists and HATE being called such! A damn shame. If you wanna be that way be proud, not a coward
exactly they want to be racist with out the name. they might be good at deflection.
don't forget how the pedestal they were put on during Hitler's regime, they still have those ideals because it doesn't affect them. Don't be surprised, it's not just them, all yt countries are like that. All of them. And the denial, deflect, justify, lie etc. tactics to cover their prejudice. It's their culture, and heritage. They just like to feel like good people.
Ive travelled all over Scandi for work andf leisure, and unfortunately of all the countries, Denmark showed the most hostility to me, some people living there are unfortunately so backwards.
The Danish are starting to stand up for themselves. Perfect. It's about damn time all white people stood up for themselves around the blacks.
@@michaelmoores2654 🤣
The mother crying made me tear up.
She is so broken over the loss of her baby boy, absolutely heartbreaking. I hope she can find peace one day.
I find it amusing that guy was upset that Black Lives Matter apparently brought a lot of attention to the death of his "friend". Wouldn't he want that for someone he supposedly cared about?
No because they are hijacking the memory of his friend for their bogus nonexistent political cause(s).
They don't care about Phillip.
Has anybody actually reviewed the facts surrounding the murder?
@@emilegriffith1473 Any "Friend" would not want his friends memory buried. But ok Emile, the facts of the matter are sure forgot when they called him "N word Phillip" all the time.
That just shows they are friends. You joke and mess around with your friends all the times- often behavior others would deem inappropriate
Moreover a lot of that could have been lost in translation -as the N word doesn't have the same connotation as it does in America or native English-speakers for that matter.
@@emilegriffith1473 They clearly aren't happy being called the N word.
That white editior man-slaping prejudice & inaccurate reporting was infuriating. His condescending energy towards the lady journalist was insulting. The Netherlands, another place Africans don't really need to visit. #Yuck
But he is typical
I was actually speechless... he had absolutely no idea how ignorant he sounded...
No that is what speaking your mind looks like and you don’t care who knows he was not disrespecting anybody he was being a man that’s what men do
Africans need to stay out of Europe and yet you don't. You still desperately want to live in "racist" countries
Netherlands is very nice place, don't be such a snob.
"Nothing about the case suggests racism..."
Except the racists. Right. 🤔
Omg, that BT editor and the prosecutor are so in denial and they’re showing his white privilege. Denmark is working very hard to keep the country predominantly white. Another observation is there was no mention from the opposition about the boys family. They were not with the boy’s mother at anytime. What happened to the assailant’s mother? She did what Emmet Till’s accuser did-distort the truth. I highly doubt Phillip actually and with clear motives, purposely touched his “friends” mom’s breast. Fell into her someway, yes, but not sa her.
If they are like that they should all stay together no loss to anyone
"Denmark is working very hard to keep the country predominantly white."
Why the hell wouldn't a White nation seek to preserve its own nation, you dolt? Better yet, why the hell are you creeps so obsessed with making White countries non-White?
What's up with this "white privilege" nonsense? Denmark was built by white europeans, they have every right for it.
but why is it so bad for them to work hard to keep their country predominantly danish?? they've proven to be one of the most successful, safest and richest countries on the planet! And no, they never colonised or enslaved or built their country off of any other peoples labour?
this is my problem....why is it ok for african countries or asian countries to keep their countries homogeneous but white people are not entitled to it?
and final question? why would outside people want to go to denmark so badly??? leave them with their land they don't bother anyone!! its cold and grey there anyway!
I've been to Haiti on holidays, and as a white man wasn't allowed to go to certain areas as was told Id probably get killed!! I'm not demanding white lives matter or changes for haiti....Ill basically never set foot in that shithole of a country and that will be the end of it.....stop with the double standards already
Denial, denial, denial - that's what Danes call "happiness." It's the same here, in America, though. As long as it doesn't happen to them, it's not a real problem. But, you are the problem if you uncover the problem.
There is a kind of othering through danish "Jantelov" but Danes as a whole are very content people atleast compared to the US with their reasonable working hours and benefits
This was a problem with the Skeptic Community in the early days of UA-cam. It’s strange how so many UA-camrs and Influencers who built their reputation around militant atheism turned so anti-feminist and are in denial of systemic sexism and racism, and male and white privilege.
Amen
You’re correct.
But also stop with the commas. You’re wearing them out.
No they take racism to another level
All the people who are saying “Fact is, race wasn’t an issue in the murder,” how do they personally know that? How do they know what was in those 2 murderers minds when they brutally tortured and killed Phillip? On the other hand there is evidence that at least one of the brothers had a swastika/white power tattoo. So it is fairly obvious why so many people think it was racially motivated. 🤷♀️ My heart broke for the mother, especially when she said “why didn’t they just kill me?” Being a mother myself, I can say with confidence that there is nothing stronger than a mother’s love for her children.
You are either a race baiter or a race trader we’re a race lover you don’t have the fax either get your mind out of the gutter winch
You would be a great cop. I think we should start seeing more women, especially "mothers" patrol our streets. Especially the streets with majority black population. Lets see you put all these emotions into effect.
I agree with everything you said:
When she said that, I teared up because that IS indeed a "Mother's Love"..
I felt bad that in a way she blamed herself (when she mentioned that he's biracial.. and is only black bc of her)
Also, YES: their exact staments are that race was DEFINITELY not a factor..
Whaaaat?
One guy has a swastika..
If the ppl don't know who wears that..and what it means, they could easily look it up.. they could have at least said "it MAY have been a factor.. but we can't prove it."
It's just really weird and mind boggling that everybody has an eerily similar statement on if the case is a hate crime
They were friends so color was the only thing that was different
The guy was posting white lives matter on his Facebook posts. If people really know about the white lives matter movement, they would know that its a supremacist group created by some white dudes to counter the blm movement and their declaration of independence is taken from mass shooters like the guy Danish guy who slaughtered those kids in Sweden. They believe in the great replacement theory and also believe that the white race is the most superior race on earth. So yer they might have been his friends to his face but inside they dispised his whole existence.
If he was your friend you wouldn’t call him “the victim”
That comment definitely concerned me.
Easy to claim being friends with someone who is dead and can't say otherwise 🤷♂️
The fact that he knew he hadn't been trusted with the information about racist epithets, says he knew they weren't friends.
Having that big nose guy as your friend playing techno at the counterprotest of your death.
Wooh I feel for Phillip. That man was really alone in his community. Surrounded by lot of fake people who never saw him as equal. At least your killers got some time😒
Man I thought Denmark was this great place to live and die in retirement, but now seeing this and seeing how the "#1 digital news company" makes the narrative ignore the problems in all spectrums, i'm just appalled by the country of Denmark. Also i hate how the news guy tried to say her narrative. What a ignorant comment.
Have you noticed how cavalier and nonchalant they all seems to be discussing a heinous crime like that? They all seemed like “So, what about?”
Regardless, Denmark is still one of the best countries I’ve seen; they’re pretty up there with Switzerland, Norway, etc. Given how most, if not all human societies aren’t perfect, Denmark is pretty good.
@@Tax_Collector01 I agree, western culture in general is pretty mild compared to other parts of the world. We still have issues we can improve on, but I do think people are correct when they say organizations such as BLM are making it seem like a much larger issue than it is. I looked up the amount of Hate crimes and it is about 240 a year, for a population of millions. Not bad at all.
Very naive there, buddy. How did you assume that “Denmark being among the most desired countries” was a blanket statement? That there were no qualifiers?
@Tuy Randolph Well, unfortunately many of the same people who are responsible for white supremacy are also the same people who created the constitution, and the separation of church and state. Same goes for churchhill who was racist but also defeated the nazis. Same goes for the US who stopped the Japanese. BLM and CRT do a poor job of giving an objective look at history. I know because I went to a school in LA. I came out treating all people with respect. I cannot say the same for non whites. The first time I ever experienced or witnessed racism was when people were mocking me for the color of my skin. So it definitely needs some work.
Do they somehow not understand counter protesting is making them look more like racists?
Being called racist is a compliment
@@diamondproductions2 no it’s not
@@diamondproductions2 what?
@@ongakira to them it is, look at how they're acting
Some of the girls in the "white lives matter" group don't look white. How pretentious and pathetic!
That editor is gaslighting so much
Did he ACTUALLY say “they were good friends”?? 👀👀👀
Best friends actually
best friends
WHAT AN IGNORANT JOURNALIST, he is already biased before even investigating!
Europeans lmfao
That’s what I thought, this report is misleading. The journalist had already made up his mind without fact checking.
She did an excellent job. Thank you for further exposing white people's racism and how hard they fight to say there is no racism and I'm not racist
If he had a more diverse workforce, someone would have been able to inform him that the phrase "Colored People " is a racist term!
I wonder if he has men cover women's issues, or does a woman journalist handle that
He really laughed at him being called N Philip and justified it as it's just how it is
That was sad. He was not his friend
That annoyed me too...even when the vice journalist was speaking to the danish journalist....it was the denial for me
@@safiamohammed8286 They want to walk out the door and pretend that is no race issue in that country. The must have clearly lost their red face minds.
The fake friend was pure evil with that smeark on his face.
@@terrellbrannon8435 making a racist remark while complaining about racism. Absolute 🤡
I live in the US where race is openly discussed and yet this piece moved me beyond so much that has happened here in my homeland. I think because, in the US, the majority of us at least have enough fiber to admit that race IS an issue. The open, seemingly universal denial of racial issues in Denmark is staggering. Denmark is touted as a wonderful place to live, with good education and wealth, and yet the cognitive dissonance I am witnessing seems to contradict that. A first world country in which the people cannot even recognize that saying "black lives matter" does not mean that "white lives do not matter." I hope the Danes are able to evolve and end up looking back on the verdict and the way they handled this case as a mistake.
Preach on sista!
Similarly in many other European countries there is cognitive dissonance when it comes to race - though U.K is closer to the U.S.A in terms of admitting and discussing the issue openly however limited that still is.
@Caroline Kamya
Africans have zero business in Europe
@@carolinekamya2339 talk about Asia or Africa too why not? European countries are small and receiving too many immigrants
@@kiddarts8812 if europeans hadn’t made up the concept of race we wouldn’t have the problems we do today. They deserve the flack, sorry bout it.
So you can torture someone to death in Denmark and only get 14 years interesting. The prosecutor literally said they took breaks to smoke and drink while beating him to death, and you think they deserve to be let out ?
Thank you for fixing the audio and reuploading this important piece. What was done to Phillip was unspeakably heinous and undeniably rooted in racism. My heart breaks for him, his mother, and his TRUE friends & loved ones. I hope they are able to find peace someday, though I know it seems impossible. Much respect to the activists for their dedication despite the vitriol and violence they’ve been faced with. Their tribute to Phillip at the end was beautiful. RIP.
I learned that. - Denial is their go to method
@Tuy Randolph well devil you replied and 19 thumbs up
@Tuy Randolph this dumb devil still believes the N word hurts someone feelings😂🤣😅😆..... try again
@Tuy Randolph alllll devil i thought you were going to come with something better that.... that word don't move shit......I see though you are busy clown commented on everyone comments........
@Animosity Jones that's right
@@nameyoufriend Apparently it does because you all cry about it when it is said.. SMH... Take personal responsibility for your own actions. Nobody owes you anything. Stop crying & playing the victim. Poor pity me.. Boo hooo... Oh get a life because being a professional victim isn't working for you.
Wow that newspaper guy was SUPER dismissive. He's definitely a big part of the problem. And he genuinely believes a white journalist can understand the black experience? He's at the very LEAST passively racist.
I agree. He kept cutting off the Vice Reporter and that pissed me off.
He irked me ....he was so rude in my opinion not letting her get a word in...prick
Arrogant and dismissive
If he's spewing that bile through his news platform, he's very much an active racist, imo.
Least racist? He referred to the victim and Poc as “colored” like 5 x
I lived in DK for 5 years, it is the most racist society I have ever lived in (including US: NY and CA, Switzerland, UK (London), and Germany. Not even close actually. For example, one of my coworkers passed out and was unconscious in the office of a pharmaceutical company. When I called the emergency (Danish 911) I heard in background " her name sounds African. She'll be ok". Emergency refused to do their job, I drove her directly to hospital for emergency surgery. Let this sink in, it is 100% true.
Why don't you go live in Africa?
Let them vikings have their land.
Good. Please leave. You are not wanted or needed.
So after feeling comfortable enough to call him the N word to his face and Philip just accepting it is what lead him to being killed you can’t just let disrespect slide either handle it by force or distance but to just do nothing will only make it worse I promise you that
Isnt it interesting how its that much harder to admit that someone was racist than that same individual deciding to just murder their friend?
"You don't have to be black to cover racism". True. But being black gives you a personal perspective you couldn't have otherwise. The idea that objective journalism shouldn't consider emotional stories is jawdropping.
And "Maybe you kill you friend but certainly not in a racial manner". Listening as the words fell from his lips make me wonder what kind of legal system they have in Denmark. The casual way the statement was made is a gut punch.
The problem with hate crimes legislation is that it asks the court to detect what was in a person's heart when committing a crime. That's creating a very unusual kind of challenge for the judiciary.
I would like to support such laws because the social and moral purpose of them is so clear ... But I still wonder about their practicality.
I don't know about this case. I would rather not judge on the basis of one news feature.
At some point I really hope when we say Black Lives Matter, that ppl understand we are not dismissing others, we feel dismissed. the same pride and protection you feel is your absolute right, is what we are demanding.
ALL lives can't matter UNTIL black lives matter too
It seems so obvious. It's never said that one life is worth more than another. It's asserting value where value is due regardless of systemic attempts to negate said value.
I try to see things like the border situation with children in cages who may look different than mine as essentially the same as if mine were isolated/imprisoned. As a fellow human being they may as well be my children. I share the same feelings and thoughts as the parents and my children would feel similarly.
I do not understand how people categorize others by physical attributes when it's so beyond evident than we all share similar emotions and biologically we are the same.
When George Floyd died it may as well have been my family member being murdered.
Good grief people, we're people after all. All of us aren't we?
@@thegraymouser12 What you're describing is empathy, essentially having the ability to imagine how someone else would feel in a situation. It's what we should ALL feel as sentient humans when we see or hear another person's plight, unfortunately it's getting so hard to find people who can actually put themselves in someone else's shoes if those shoes don't look like theirs
they don't misunderstand us. they know exactly what we're saying, they're just also saying in so many words, "no, they don't".
Well said
When she said "If it was because he was black, why not me? At least he was mixed race, I am full black." I started to tear up. This is so sad.
@Chris Himebaugh Wrong comment buddy.... Not sure why you think I'm Israeli lol
@Chris Himebaugh he is collecting welfare in the West, not Israel.
@Chris Himebaugh What does Israel have to do with Derg ousting Selassie? I would believe the CIA, but Israel? Really? Do you think Israel has full control over the CIA in the American government? Wouldn't be shocked if they did. Sorry if that hurts you Nazi....
I didn’t understand her logic because white racists hate black people whether we’re full or half black. It doesn’t matter. She is very misled and miseducated.
@@zavtradnem No , that would be your mama collecting welfare ! Y’all can’t help yourselves can you ? Smmfh
when I worked hard got my scholarship for college, all of my fair toned friends said "Haha I bet you got it because you're the diversity recruit" over and over
I'd say that was a pretty unique experience that you just won't get if you're white
EDIT: Ok here's what I just learned. Even though I live/attend college in a state where nearly 50% are Hispanic, I'm the hispanic diversity recruit huh.
I get it..
I could never get a scholarship though..
I'm not cut from the right cloth.
More importantly, I could never get one because of the lack of effort on my part.
I'm white..
I was also raised with the knowledge that unless you come from a rich family. Nobody gets a handout. People get where they are because of hard work..
@@lilkingspade 100%correct
You know how many times I have heard, "he/she probably got promoted because he/she is white."
@@greekmaster1001 systemic perks?? I worked my ass off for strong grades and contributed to my community repeatedly, I earned that scholarship
@@chrisgomez8811 kudos to you
The denial of racism in Denmark is tragic and dangerous!
Lol they turn so red when they know they’re wrong
If it was really “personal” GIVE US THE REASON WHY THEY DID IT - I BET YOU DONT HAVE ONE 🤷🏽♀️
@Patrick J Mims they said it’s cause Philip raped their mother
The brothers mother said he sexually assaulted her. That is a personal reason.
@Patrick J Mims Im pretty sure you torture someone you want to feel pain, has nothing to do with thinking someone as inferior. In this case specifically it could be both personal and racist. Or even possibly just personal, in the U.S there was an instance where a black guy shot an important public speaker black woman cop many times until she died and the police upon arresting him, beat him on the floor and humiliated him the whole interrogation. In the case in the video, there is no motive specifically for him to go for that man and I would only think that it could not be racism if he didn’t have a swastika tattoo.
@@AL3X2011 they “said”
@@JizzSock_ Its in the video. Vice just glosses over it to push the preferred narrative.
It’s more comfortable for them to believe his murder was not racially motivated. With “friend’s” like this, he didn’t need enemies.
I've got such a huge amount of respect for the journalist doing this piece.. I honestly don't think I could've maintained my composure as well as she did ESPECIALLY with the journalist from BT...
She's biased and unprofessional and also clearly out of her depth
If this is their definition of being friends, I'm scared to imagine the extent of what they'll do to their enemies.
For reference I am a US born Mexican-American, lived my whole life in Southern California. It’s interesting… this whole racist/racial discussion. I understand how there could be a large portion of white/Caucasian people who might be frustrated over “incessant” whining or non-stop playing of the “race card” as if it’s something non-whites or minorities use to trump an argument or shut white people down. Especially when said individual may not feel that they themselves are racist. But to reiterate something that has been said over and over before, until you have lived as a black/brown or non white person in a white majority society you will simply not understand. While I feel like I look obviously Latino I have passed for white before. I often forget that I am a “minority”. That is until I am rudely reminded of that fact. While I don’t let it bother me so much, it’s definitely a hard feeling to describe. Imagine never being given the benefit of the doubt in any situation. Imagine immediately being second guessed by people and when attempting to find common ground, being denied full stop before given the opportunity to be heard. And ALL because you are not white. It is very disheartening. So if by chance you find yourself as a white person and feel or have ever felt contempt for the discussion surrounding race I urge you to reevaluate your reasoning. You are always heard, seen and accepted and considered “normal”. The instant that is challenged you get upset. We live every day feeling this way. Until you recognize that, you won’t fully understand. Simple as that.
@metamorphosis in process I think you either misread what I wrote or got the wrong message entirely. I never implied that black/brown people aren’t racist or are not capable of being racist themselves against whites. They most definitely can be and I don’t condone such behavior nor imply it doesn’t exist or is somehow “not an issue”. What I’m referring to isn’t as simple as having two random black ladies smack talk you simply for being white. The core difference between what I’m attempting to describe and what you’re likely describing is an inherent power imbalance. Not to downplay shitty racist behavior by minorities towards whites, because that is real and it’s bullshit. That being said I don’t quite understand how I’m being “entitled” by pointing out the fact that if you (as in a random person) are part of a cultural majority in a country/community/etc. you cannot fully understand what it feels like to be an “outsider/minority/etc.”? To clarify, this only applies to countries with a historically white-majority rule. Like I said previously, it’s difficult to describe. But that shouldn’t be a reason to dismiss it outright. Chances are we’re still not going to fully see eye to eye but I hope you at least understand that (at least in MY case) I’m not here to vilify you because then I would be a big hypocrite. The only reason I’m so vocal about it is because I can sit here and list every single time I’ve been directly verbally attacked for being Latino and list every word used but I cannot translate that feeling to you because no equivalent words exist for white people and the few that kinda exist and might be “offensive” don’t convey the same sting because we grew up in a society with white people in control. I hope that sums it up for you, in the most well-meaning way possible. Thanks for replying by the way. No sarcasm.
Latinos we’re consider legally white until the 70s. There’s never been or will ever be a black / brown alliance. That’s propaganda
You yourself have been accepted as Whyte on occasion and reaped the benefits so how could you possibly understand anything about black Americans. Latinx sit on the fence and will play both sides when it’s convenient.
"Until you have lived as a black/brown or non white person in a white majority society you will simply not understand."
I understand perfectly. Non whites should stop imposing themselves on white societies and dictating all the rules of engagement.
@@SmokeyChipOatley The moral grandstanding is what puts most people off from having this conversation. “You’ll never understand because you’re white.” Just that simple? Excluding that people experience discrimination for reasons other than skin color such as disability, sexual orientation, religion, social or economic status. You don’t need to have the same exact circumstance to relate or empathize with another person’s experience.
@@aleksandrkomarov9231 With all due respect, let me explain it to you this way. If I tell you a joke in a language you don’t speak and from a culture you’ve never heard of before, you obviously wouldn’t understand it and not find it funny right? Now I can translate the joke into your native language and for as much as I can try to explain it you will likely never find it funny despite fully understanding the joke and why it’s funny even after I explain it thoroughly and to the best of my ability. This is essentially what I was trying to say. It has nothing to do with any inherent racial quality in a person’s DNA. It all comes down to an inability to translate the feeling of what it’s like despite knowing why and how it can negatively affect someone. You can still disagree with me and that’s ok. But I honestly hope I was able to explain it a little better
Both sides make arguments but idk how a friend of the victim can just look the other way. If the victim was guilty of touching their mother, call the police (since their crime rate is so low) instead a guy with a “white supremacy tattoo” n his brother decides on their own to literally kill “their friend” by torturing him to death…I just don’t get it…who knows if it was or not…is anyone else concerned about how little their sentences were for brutally beating someone to death 2 vs 1, 14yrs! I know people that got 20 for having weed!
Mr. Michael from BT did not give her an opportunity to get a word in. He spent the entire interview just talking over her because he didn't want her to ask him a question he can't answer.
🔥🔥🔥 *THIS!!!!* 👆🏽💯💯💯
That was just a small part of a longer interview. She had more than enough time to talk. You can clearly see it was edited by Vice themselves.
Many things can be true at the same time....why does the victim having a friendship with his killers negate the fact that the killers are racists? #SolidarityWithTheOppressed
Just can't get over his "closest" friend saying yeah there's alot of Phillips so he was N-word Phillip.... really?
Very telling. 😳
His so called friend set him up
Duh
The mother crying literally broke my heart...saying "Why not just kill me instead?"
I am so sorry ma'am. No human being should ever have this happen to them. Peace be still in Jesus Name.
@metamorphosis in process 🥱😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😜
@metamorphosis in process keep going with that "metamorphosis" cause you're almost a complete Karen or Ken, hahaha
One things the Editor said that was so amazing when he said, the host wanted the killing to be about race. Every Black person in the world past and present, wish race wasn’t an issue. If it’s not about race, nobody would be happier that victims of racism!! I think of the promotions I was very qualified to receive. I wish racism would disappear! That editor has only heard one side all his life!!
Well said. Your comment brought tears to my eyes. (I am mixed race with reddish-medium brown skin and curly hair) Racism has blocked so many extremely brilliant, upstanding people. Although there are star performers of every race who are threatening to management and coworkers who are mobbed/bullied and denied promotions, being Black makes life...f**king exhausting.
(It's quite likely that there were many times when you were even OVER qualified for some of those promotions and should have been placed a few positions higher than the ones you were merely willing to accept.)
Much Love and Peace (and more luck & prosperity, too), Marjorjorie.
XOX!
in the last few years me and my wife been traveling across the world, we've been to Thailand, Canada, South America, the Caribbean, and we we're planning on visiting Denmark & Scotland when the covid restrictions weren't so bad.. but now i think I'll pass on traveling to Denmark.
I was just telling myself I don't think I'm ever going there too.
If you want to skip racist countries ... you can only travel in Africa
@@stebossm3195 i didn't say that.. i just said i was planning on visiting denmark n now I cancelled those plans..
Yeah, no more Danish for me.
You won’t be missed : )
Denying hate crimes towards black people is an art form. In that respect the prosecutor has mastered the class.
Danish Karen
"Coloured," Michael Dyrby. In one breath Michael Dyrby talks about facts and in the same breath is accusing the person who is asking a question of wanting to make the story about race...a completely factless supposition.
He also does a bit of slight of hand in saying who would know, who investigated, etc. He basically said that his news organization relied on the police's investigation and the official story, which makes me question what kind of investigation his reporters did if they only interviewed the police.
All the sighs.
The “friend” who said they call Phillip the n word to Distinguish him from the other Phillips is definitely and completely ignorant to why that’s wrong. So they weren’t smart enough to come up with non racist nicknames
This part
That editor got really red-faced very quickly.....
yes denmark with it’s rich history of racial diversity
💯
why is it important to have racial diversity at all. why is it important to have it in your country history? most countries throughout human history were monoethnic.
@@718junius who said it’s important ? No one wants refugees, refugees don’t want to be refugees. It’s s just a reality of the modern world. The comment was meant to be sarcastic.
@A Kasper always did and always will
When Europe chose to colonize other continents and countries they lost the privilege of being homogenous in this day and age
the interviewer is handling things so well. I would've gotten up and left hearing the director of the journalist company.
No trips to Denmark for me. They are in denial. This is text book cognitive dissonance !
Out of all this conversation, I've yet to hear the personal reason for which Mr. Phillip M. Johansen was killed. This is why the BLM reasoning is in place. If he beat his "friend"s butt, took money or screwed his girl, I'd understand. The fact that there is no plausible explanation for the killing, gives the doubters every right to assume anything. So, in that, BLM has a reason to exist in this conversation.
They said it was because he raped one of their mothers
1st of all, you'd understand that he was slowly tortured to death in the woods, so badly the Police wouldn't show his mother his face? That's a reasonable response to you? 2nd of all, the "black man rapes a white woman" accusation has been used as an excuse so many killings in America, from single lynchings like Emmett Till to entire massacres like Tulsa and Rosewood. When the perpetrators are white supremacists, don't believe them.
This the epitome of cognitive dissonance
OH YES.
This has been going on for decades. Where as the investigators categorize it, and ignore evidence to match their narrative. The idea that they don't want the crime to be as heinous as it actually appears. This is heartbreaking!
I’m having so many thoughts and emotions while watching this.
As a mom, it’s especially heartbreaking to see this mother crying for her son. In the US we’re very vocal and have a long history of publicly recognizing the racism in our country. Then you have these other European countries, majority white, that love to deny the racism that exists. When I see this group of supposed friends talking, in their faces all I see is white people wanting to assure each other and believe that they couldn’t possibly be racist themselves, or know anyone that is.
Many white people would take offense to what I’m saying here, but oh well. Many try to lecture Black and other POC when somebody us voice our distrust of them, especially the ones that straight up say they do not want to deal with them at all. They want everything to boil down to individual actions, and ignore the bigger systemic and societal impact of racism.
This is why I speak openly to or around my kids about these issues. I’ll be damned if they grow up and become the token to “friends” that are clearly and openly racist.
@Richard ASMR definitely! I was just discussing this with someone else. The favorite move seems to be deflect and deny.
I sooo agree with you!!
@Richard ASMR yes preach!!!
You know where there's no racism? Africa. They can stay there
@@Janna_Ash DARVO, also known as gaslighting
“Maybe you kill your friend. But certainly not in a racial related manner.”
What?!
That is not FRIENDSHIP.
What kind of person gets tattoos like that?
Idk culture is vastly different from America it makes me super proud to be from American Because I don’t know wtf I’d do in Phillips position. The way Denmark thinks of race is stuck back in the American 1940’s but with a liberal progressive political makeup. Which contrasts differently from the progressive movement in America. Denmark are denialist when it comes to race becusee they want to have the Bragging rights of having a progressive society who is above racism. No your way in denial to a point that scares me more than the far right here in America. It’s almost like a bad movie Seeingt the BLM in Denmark but it makes me proud to see those allies standing in solidarity and standing together, that is to not be just glazed over bcuz I’d argue they’re fight is greater in Denmark bcuz their political main stage are denialist, here in America they just hide but once the cats out the bag it’s out the bag, Denmark are a few shade different which is infinitely interesting
No, they just care about their own people and don't want outsiders tainting it. How about these people from an entirely different continent quit coming to leech off the success of Denmark?
@@europaprimum7050 It's all one big connected land mass dude. I'm pretty sure Denmark wasn't concerned about "tainting" when it spread it's seed to West Africa and the Caribbean. Anyway, although I'm hesitant to portray a whole country in that manner, the man has a point.
@Richard ASMR !!!
I've been to many countries in the EU - more than most Europeans, but I've never been to Denmark. However, I once met a young man, probably about the same age as Phillip, and his family in NYC, outside of the NYC Library on 5th Avenue. As we were sitting near each other the family and I started talking. The parents seemed nice enough but they went off to do something while the son continued talking to me.I don't remember exactly what we were talking about, but somehow the topic of being mixed race came and up his response was: Who wants to be mixed race?" For someone so young to have that sort of hateful opinion says a lot about the people he comes into contact with. And as an obviously mixed race person, I definitely took offense. His comment has always stuck with me, so sadly, I'm not that surprised that this hate crime occurred in Denmark.
Side note: For any minorities thinking of traveling to Denmark, The Netherlands, Germany or Austria you should know that all of these countries share very similar ideas about race and equality. Similar as in they all believe that they are progressive, yet none are.
@Tuy Randolph So get your governments out of their countries' affairs and then they won't have an excuse to come to yours in the first place. No more oil from the middle east, no more diamonds, food, or other natural resources from Africa and every single white European goes back to Europe and has no authority in any other region of the world. You ready for that? I hear a lot of talking but no actual DOING.
@Tuy Randolph Denmark spent hundreds of yeaes invading and raiding half of Europe and even Northern Africa so you can't claim that you want to be "left alone" all of a sudden. Denmark was the scourge of the earth for hundreds of years that's why the British hated them.
@@sharr630 so, when you going back? Lots of talking but I don't see you doing anything.
@@brandondavis7777 Going back where idiot? I don't live in Europe and I'm not European.
@@JesusChrist2000BC Danish people never raided Northern Africa you smoothbrain, but yes they did invade European countries.
Did anyone ever address if their mom was actually raped? I know this isn’t the real reason they killed him but I’d like to know if she was actually raped or if that’s a crock of crap.
She told her sons that she was, but later told investigators that he only grabbed her breast.
@@itsjustrust I would kill someone for that.
@@justincook181 I would too but its they're mother so I'll be foolish to not to believe she could be protecting her sons. They had enough time to cook up a good lie for the authorities
Seems like the mother wanted a taste of some Mandingo but the late brother wasn't giving it to her so she got mad
That young man' should have respected his friend s mother he did bad to do that It didn't give them the right to kill him of course but the late young man misbehaved respect a lady and if she is your friend s mother the greater should the respect
I get drunk all the time, not once have I ever had an uncontrollable urge to go get a tattoo of a swastika clear symbol of "white power." I live in America which is right wing compared to Denmark and I don't think a judge would not factor that into someone's possible motives for their behavior.
Where is the rest of the story? They were "friends"? for how long? they knew each other well? they hated each other for years? etc... The reporter only covered the one angle for 58 mins???
That's what im interested in, like how long have they been friends. That would tell me alot about the whole "friend's" part.
Well he moved away to attend university so I’m assuming they were friends before and he had recently come home. He may not have even known about the tattoo and the “friend “ might have adopted those views more recently
Like that would change anything how?
@@theghostofarchiebunker8859 specifically, mom said he was unhappy on the Island and didn't want to stay on the island.
Many fascists and white supremacists start out as the victims of bullies. If Phillip was also bullied (as this 58 minutes makes painfully clear) then they could have been "childhood friends"... it's called trauma bonding.
More likely, the entire island is small, and "friendship" is simply "we grew up on the island together". The only real friend I saw, realized how toxic culture on the island was... after Phillip was brutally murdered...
There's an old saying that goes, " something smells in Denmark ".
When we say “BLM” we are not saying other lives don’t matter.
We are trying to bring awareness to the cruelties that people of colored are subject to based only their ethnicity.
But this is often a common reaction among Europeans.
“The Gueto Law” is not racist because it’s not called the “anti-colored people law”.
You can have racist tattoos, and call people racist names and tortured a colored person and people still say that you are racist.
You need to re-read your comment
No lives matter putain
@@franktrautman2092 yes
@@franktrautman2092 For Real
this is such an eye-opening piece to someone who lives in a very split red/blue state in the United States. I experience racism and BLM protests alike and as a white woman it is still heart breaking to see my friends of color being treated unfairly. Seeing how absolutely brutal it is in other countries just makes me more adamant on making sure our generation realizes just how important it is to be inclusive. It really brought tears to my eyes at the end when they quietly spoke their sayings for Phillip at his place of death. The amount of respect these BLM protesters had and the amount of disrespect the ALM protesters had in this piece were so eye opening to someone like me. This was truly an amazing way to portray this event in a way that can reach all audiences correctly on this topic.
Phillip had interesting “friends” to say the least…
Philip looks biracial
@@purplelove3666 and?
Boggles my mind how that “friendship” worked. People are strange.
@@purplelove3666 almost like they introduced him saying he was mixed race, and like his mom commented on that while she lamented his death in the first 10 minutes of the documentary. Turns out, a lot of black people have mixed ancestry and even parantege. Has been like that forever... did you... Even watch?
@@lisamac2764 didnt they say he was black?. But the man is not black.
What are these people looking at I see racism. Even the journalist are trying to play it down there’s facts showing this as racism. Denmark we see you
I had no idea about this horrific story. As usual thank you for covering this.
Phillip’s African mother is a soft spoken, peaceful and kind person. Just listen to her speak.
She is BEAUTIFUL.🏵
Indeed.
Almost a whole country in denial.
Well the Indian lady explained it perfectly
crazy how much people lack empathy and understanding
Ironically those are the ones who believe they're smartest.
Ok. I can't finish this. That man running the newspaper is extremely manipulative. He keeps cutting her off to stop her from expressing her thoughts and asking difficult questions. He went on a tangent about what he has decided she feels and believes to avoid the fact that he intentionally does not hire people of color. How do you have 30 people working for your company and not have one black employee? I have worked in businesses where I was one of 2 employees of color, but I have never seen a business in which everyone was white even when I lived in areas where black people only made up 5% of the population.
It's a white country what did you expect? In Denmark you can't intimidate white people like you do in US you have made thecwhite population fearful you may had intimidatef and manipulated UK but not the Danes they refuse to be manipulated or intimidated by you people andvyou know something. I'm glad you can't manipulate intimidated the Danes the don't allow you to do that I'm sorry for the young man's death but it's their country it's their way
I get the feeling Phillip was not "friends" with some of these folks. I think he was a "pet" to be able to say they have "diverse" friends. I use "pet" because there was such a lack of empathy/disinterest in how they spoke so casually of his suffering.