They introduce a perk like NOED but instead of a Totem that makes the Survivors Exposed, the Killer just pulls out a shotgun with buckshot. Yes, every Killer can do so, even Chucky. And yes, when Sadako uses it, it floats like everything else. Got to keep the consistency.
@@jeffprime4495 Maybe not a full rework, his base design is pretty engaging, I think they just need to tweak a lot of things and give him actual add-ons that do their job. (And they need to let my pointy boy nod he's the only killer in the entire game that can't nod at all. Please BHVR give the lad a neck even if it's only a subtle and tiny nod the fans would eat it up)
@@saudf5921 It is supposed to represent the "Teenage Angst", which is what makes it appealing. Some people don't like it, they see it as 'cringe', and that's completely fair.
I think you underrated nemesis a LOT. All zombie speed addons would make them 2.1 m/s, with them going to 3.6 m/s with stars badge active which is GAMEBREAKING. If one of them locks onto a survivor, the survivor is essentially creating only 0.4 m/s of distance from the zombie, which remember have a huge detection radius of 20m, meaning survivors could theoretically need to run in a straight line for up to 50s (!!!) to create enough distance to shrug off 1 (one) zombie. Sure they could be using pallets, flashlights and windows to delay them, but the amount of time and resources survivors would need to dedicate to keep BOTH zombies under control whenever a gen is done is CRAZY. Pair it with monitor and abuse, tinkerer and/or discordance and survivors literally cannot play. If that's not enought for you, there's only 3 vaccines on the match that take 9 extra seconds to apply that reveal and get you exposed, against a killer that can at any moment go undetectable and ramps up to level 3 ridiculously fast. In summary, the only weakness of nemesis - map control - would be completely solved and made into a literal hell for survivors by the hands of greg and susan. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Yeah honestly that's a very good point, I still think that on average large maps the speedy zombies would still fail to find Survivors often but you make a great point!!
Don't forget the fact that the respawn add-ons make Killing Zombies pretty much a non-option, they HAVE to blind them or get them in a softlock, or dedicate one person to coralling zombies until they're hunted down and now there's 2 zombies heading around where a hook occured
YESSSS one hour of you rambling about the repercussions of add-on combos that literally cannot exist in the game and will never affect me in any match, ever. HOW is this so exciting I don't KNOW, but it IS, bless your chat.
16:10 Nurse would be in a much worse position: the Matchbox on nurse does not reduce the blinks BY one, but TO one. That means that she would only have one blink
Nurse's blinks make me motion sick so in order to play her I use this add on along with machine learning, batteries included, play with ur food, and fire up or tinkerer. I've made it my goal to see if no blink nurse can b made into a decent play style
You’re insane, but that’s a weird amount of genius. After all, who is going to loop against a nurse? Then the survivor runs out into no mans land and gets stabbed.
@CrabbChips Lore accurate Wesker would just be him running around the entire map and three seconds, shooting people, and having the ability to dodge pallets stuns lol.
@ Doubling gens would barely do anything, but extend the game by 25%. Doubling hooks would make it impossible to play. Edit: Taking it back since slugging would be incredibly viable and make great use of the extra gen time.
This makes me really curious what a potential "best possible add-on build" would look like in a tier list. Like what if you COULD pick-and-choose? Which killers would be the best, which ones would still suck?
Pig finally A-Tier! An active trap with four boxes left to search leaves you with around 60 seconds to traverse, that might be actually not enough time. One missed skill check that puts you in mend and it's definitely over.
"Killers have 20 add-on slots now which means that finally, FINALLY, Pyramid Head mains can add some variety to their build: They can add in a third add-on and leave the other 17 slots blank."
@@notOtzdarva If Torment had more severe *immediate* consequences, maybe duration might be remotely worth considering. But most of Torment's benefits come from downing a Survivor with it, and having your trails last for another 3-5 business days doesn't exactly help with that.
@@perfectharbinger1398 Torment is fine as is, the trails are generally fine as is too. Because if they last significantly longer, survivors are forced to crouch everywhere. If torment did more than it does now, survivors would be punished for not crouching. The main issue with the trail is that addons affecting survivors surrounding the trail are always going to be terrible, because you cant buff the trail too much. But you can rework them all to benefit PH. Like, give him 5% haste when walking on the trail. Give him aura reading within 5 meters or smth (not more because then he can camp cages without issue). Stuff like that.
@@notOtzdarva nurse would be worse then all killers except myer's. you get 1 blink at 4.4 with half distance, half blink lunge while having a power that makes 4.4 m/s for 60 SECONDS. i'd put nurse at the bottom.
You probably won't believe me, but I was the one who asked that is your chat Otz. I'm equally as intersted in this topic and am very glad you made this video! ❤
Really fun video 😊 it's made me think about how Iris work though. I love the ones that have cool synergy and can almost 'enable' the other. I think it's a shame when add-ons can't be used together, especially the Iris. But then it would also be a shame to lose some unique add-ons if that were the case, like Hag's Iris. Happy new year soon! My partner and I have enjoyed watching lots of your tier lists this year ❤
Wraith would be very good imo. His aura still being a thing could actually be useful or negated by aura perks or undetectable perks. Incredibly fast, best info, uncloaks after breaking a pallet in a nanosecond and completely silent. Would be very hard to go up against.
Definitely. The terror radius is barely an issue since what do survivors do? Wraith vaults windows faster than survivors and can’t even use pallets if they don’t make a mistake. Pre-drop is an instant break, greed will be a bodyblock, and don’t even try to stun them…
@ plus, beast and serpent with dissolution is an actually fun build that catches survivors off guard. Imagine that, but with insane movement and info built in
God forbid ur on a small map and while ur constantly getting these 5 hits ur destroying all the pallets and gens are regressing AND the remaining survivors would have a 16 second mend. Overall legion is vastly underrated here
The thing about Myers too, is that he'd have the speed debuff from the Tombstone as well on top of being locked at T1, which moves slower than normal already. And the thing with Doctor is, the main effect of the addons stack (I use double shock delay a lot) so he'd get -0.45 seconds on his shock therapy, which is insane. On top of the fact that Calm would make him completely undetectable by reducing his terror radius to nothing while Static Blast was on cooldown, and then making it basically map wide when it IS ready, which is on a much shorter cooldown due to the Order notes, and because it raises their Madness level by 1, they'd have their auras revealed for six seconds due to the Restraint notes. Paragraph andy but tldr Doctor would be broken.
using the addon and getting a 4k an amount of times, getting adepts with it, using only it in 4ks, and in exchange it should be infinite and erase it from the blood web. A fully prestiged killer should only have BP and map offerings and event ones. At max level you should be able to increase the BP cap by some amount and get two BP offering slots.
@@CounterGoose53Variety of add-ons is pretty much what people choose to bring anyway.If killer is going for a win,he probably Will bring 2 strongest add-ons,as it's not always a case that strong add-on has to be rare
Honestly, the far more interesting (and less unrealistic) question would be: Which killers would profit the most from having a third addon slot? I am not asking who would be the strongest killer, it would obviously still be someone like nurse or blight. But who would simply elevate themselves the best through one additional addon. It obviously wouldn't be Freddy or Pyramid Head since their addons generally suck.
I think your underestimating the speed of the zombies for Nemi. They'd be running around at around Billy chainsaw dash or blight rush speeds so they'd scare people off gens way too much, or you'd need to have someone tank a zombie to blind it. That or they drop so many pallets and as such a lot of pallets would just be off the map.
I think a mild version of this concept would be a really cool experimental game mode with killers getting 3 or maybe 4 add-on slots and survivors get an extra perk slot or two or could bring 2 different items
Ya was gonna say, did he forget about mural sketch or something? All you need is mural sketch with pills and after 2 frenzy hits you’re already moving significantly faster than normal legion. That with Susie’s allowing you to see killer instinct across the whole map and you have a near unavoidable 5 hit frenzy.
never sleep pills with the iri tape is actually a pretty oppressive combo, since the entire time you're in power all unworked gens are being regressed, whilst the other addons make up for the shortfalls that addon combo usually has
I want this to be a game mode, badly. Maybe a perkless gamemode with how strong some killers would be. Survivors could join in to although, I think the freedom of picking any item with all the add-ons into a trial would be a bit....busted. So in exchange, just spawn some extra chests into a trial.
Super fun video idea, I’d love to see another one where killers have access to all their addons but can choose to exclude certain ones to see how it changes the tier list!
Thank you for this! This was really fun. But also, super informative. I havent gotten into the weeds on the addons for a number of the Killers and this has helped inform me about some cool addons that I I believe will help me find certain killers more enjoyable to play.
Otz, I love your dedication to the game and how much time and thought you put into these videos. Keep up the good work because DbD wouldn't be the same without you ❤
To be honest, I feel like you *could* move Dracula down to the bottom of Great, just because the extra hellfire charge time gets cancelled out by the Sylph Feather after breaking 5 pallets, leaving you with a -10% cooldown thanks to the Ruby Circlet, as well as Ring of Vlad and sunglasses combining together to make the Hellfire Spell just as long as it normally is WITH the minor tracking of the Ring of Vlad. Not to mention the wolf form would basically be able to pounce every couple seconds as long as you at least stay on the trail of the survivors. And with the Bat Form’s teleportation giving nearby survivors hindered, blocking off the teleported to window, and being faster and longer range; Dracula truly becomes a monster of the night.
The thing is with the Nurse’s matchbox add on is that it works like Huntress’s iri head. Back when Huntress had add ons that increased her hatchet count, they wouldn’t work with Iri head because it limited the amount of hatchets to one, not just reduced it. Nurse’s matchbox add on does the same thing, it limits the blink count to one. So she would only get the downside of a longer blink recharge time from the torn bookmark add on
I appreciate how much effort you put into everything you put into everything you do on DbD. My fiancé and I were talking about a lot of these as soon as we saw the title, and this was really fun to watch. I also love that you are honest with everything you do and don't sugar coat things on behavior's behalf. So thank you for all that you do in the community.
I've been watching for a while lot longer and it really sounds like otz is in a teleshopping commercial "you get this AND you get this AND you get this AND you get this...."
1:54 Imagine someone maining Myers in this gamemode and STILL getting 2-3 kills, imagine the flex, being able to get even with survivors as Tier 1 Myers 🗿
I'm a huge fan of hypothetical questions like this, me and my friends have discussed multiple times how if we all even had 5 perks instead of 4 how crazy different the game would be, and this is right up that alley
This could be a interesting game mode. 1v8 but give the killer those 20 add on slots (but don't require all 20 slots to be filled) So you can really max out a specific killer your good with would be alot of fun
This is a really funny idea, I'd love to see more like this too. Do we think the tierlist would change dramatically if you got to pick and choose the add-ons and could leave some of the 20 slots empty? (By which I mean, the ordering of killers - obviously none of them would "get worse.") I'm not sure much would aside from the killers at the very bottom. To balance this out, do survivors also get every item add-on for whatever item they choose? Like just imagine a Commodius toolbox with BNP *and* all other add-ons. Or a medkit with like 50 extra charges. I can't think of any down-side add-ons for any items, even syringe you can just choose not to use until last minute.
never sleep pills are actualy pretty good. they make you go normal speed, aka 4.6m/s, but your power duration makes your power last 20 second, and with the yellow sketch you gain speed faster. so in my opinion, legion would be pretty good.
16:50 I still can't believe Nurse wouldn't be OP in this hypothetical gamemode, so does that mean regular Nurse isn't op? 😮 Nah im kidding but still wild how she didn't end up still op
This is a good idea for a game mode maybe it can be with a randomized killer and survivor with a randomized item that also has every single add on with no perks
ive been saying for a while that survivors should have a passive perk based off their lore...a 5th perk if you will. Then as for killers they should have a 3rd addon so peeps can play more into those meme builds as well as the more tortuous builds....just food for thought cuz tbh it'd make the game more scary and interesting not knowing the addons cuz almost every experienced dbd player can guess 3 of the 4 perks the killer is running but most wouldnt get the addons right until half way through the trail giving the killer a slight advantage until the climax of the trail then all hell breaks loose near the end game collapse cuz everyone knows each others hand of perk theyre using
idea sounds good, but if the passive perk for survivors is something like haste or gen speed, we are only gonna be seeing the same 2 or 3 survivors in every lobby. and i don’t think the devs (or anyone really) could b creative enough to keep the passives balanced and interesting
I've been hoping we could someday get something like that 5th survivor perk because it would actually add some uniqueness to each survivor instead of just being a re-skin with different voices, but I'm afraid that it would make it so you only see one or two survivor's ever showing up because they have the best skills or something
Identity V along with unique starting items, gives survivors passive traits. These items and traits make it so that survivors can be split up into different categories such as rescue, support, containment(looping) and objective completion(generator repairs/gate opening). Generally characters that aren't objective completion centered have debuffs to their objective completion ability, whilst those who are have debuffs to their containment/rescue ability. For example the character with the fastest repair speed has a limited range of vision and a 30% vaulting debuff making them pretty bad in general. Also non of these characters have unique perks and all use the same perk set, making the game less pay to win/grindy than DbD.
Otz didn't realize but hag has an add-on that makes phantasm traps not spawn the illusionary hag when triggered, which directly counteracts the bodyblock add-on, so all that's left is just a faster killer that slows you when you go in certain places...
I like this type of hypothetical, what about a video idea of: "How strong would every map be for survivor/ killer with the best possible tile spawn rng?"
i think you underrated how ridiculous wraith would be. sure, he loses stealth, but he has constant info, almost instant uncloaks and recloaks, can pretty much instabreak stuff while cloaked. the raw numbers gain would get stupid, and he wouldn't be hurt at all aside from the terror radius sticking around.
And said terror radius is fixed easily by stealth perks like unforseen or trail of torment. It really doesn't matter either he would be insane in chase regardless and too fast for him having a terror radius to matter
Been thinking about a similar custom gamemode for quite some time, this topic reminds me of it. The Gamemode would go something like this: Normal 1-Killer vs 4-Survivor setup with 5 Gens and the Door to open. However both Killer and Suvivor can have up to 8 Perks in their kit and 4 Addons on their items or power. There is a Catch however: A point system exists with a maximum of 100 Points. This Point system is for balance reason. If your points go into the negative your Character will be hit with debuffs like reduced action-speed or movespeed, increasing the higher your negative points are (-100 Points is the max it can reach, below that number you aren’t able to join a lobby). Equipping Perks and/or Items with Addons decreases the amount of points depending on their rarity while leaving slots empty doesn’t decrease the points. At or above 0 Point your character will have small buffs like increase action-speed or moves. For examle: A Trapper equips 6 Perks (-15 Points per perk) and the addons: Honing Stone , Trapperbag (-10 points per Very rare Addon) and Iridescent Stone (-20 points cause Ultra rare addon). He would have a point score of -30 and would be affected with 3 Debuffs (1 Debuff per -10 points) to balance this that trapper has to pick a choice of 3 debuffs. He chooses 3 times -10% Trap setting speed and now he can search for a lobby.
This should unironically be a gamemode, but also survivors have to run all addons on their items as well. Which makes me curious what would happen if all killers and Survivors were forced to run all perks at the same time in a match.
Killers would get basically permanent information when Survivors or they do anything (once the Distortion tokens have been worked through, which would be really quick), more hexes than totems could spawn, and Undying + Thrill would make them basically uncleanseable (and even if they do manage to cleanse one you have Penti), an M1 would apply ALL the statuses, a LOT of stat increases (vaulting, breaking, Bloodlust) INCREDIBLY oppressive slowdown, ALL the Undetectable you'd want, ALL the endgame boosters, and much more! Survivors would get... ALL the activated abilities, all Exhaustion perks would mean you basically only ever use Sprint Burst, ALL the information when Killers or they do anything (barring Dying survivors because Knockout), ALL the effects when going into a locker (countered by Iron Maiden), ALL the boons (countered by Undying+Thrill), ALL the Haste when anything happens, aaaaaand everyone is permanently injured and Broken because No Mither, which also means all the healing perks are useless. Yeah Killers become the power role they were always meant to be don't they.
What if killers had a perk called, "The Button" and when they use it a nuke just drops onto the trial?
Sounds like a solid B Tier perk.
Behaviour should sell this for $999 as DLC.
Just dead hard it!
quite op, should be a hex perk
They introduce a perk like NOED but instead of a Totem that makes the Survivors Exposed, the Killer just pulls out a shotgun with buckshot. Yes, every Killer can do so, even Chucky.
And yes, when Sadako uses it, it floats like everything else. Got to keep the consistency.
pyramid head remaining basically the same killer is about what I expected
He really needs an addon rework, the last we got was 9 months ago(Mangled book)
@@hoonhur5681 He needs a full reworkm his power is too slow and punishes using it fullstop. I have 1.3k on him and p100, so i know my stuff.
@@jeffprime4495 Maybe not a full rework, his base design is pretty engaging, I think they just need to tweak a lot of things and give him actual add-ons that do their job.
(And they need to let my pointy boy nod he's the only killer in the entire game that can't nod at all. Please BHVR give the lad a neck even if it's only a subtle and tiny nod the fans would eat it up)
@@jeffprime4495 He doesn't need a full rework. He is actually rather strong, just tricky to get used to. Besides, he's very unique as well.
@@jeffprime4495 as do I, but I don’t believe the same. He just needs an addon rework
Then Trapper would finally be viable.
B- tier
@@coldspice5873 xD
Let’s not be crazy now….
@coldspice5873 better than he's been for the entire games lifetime
@ real
More importantly for anything for Legion: that chase music would be fire using every mixtape at once and thats the important thing. :) haha
It'd either be the greatest mix you'll ever hear or essentially a musical equivalent to TV static
Legion chase music is overrated and annoying
@@saudf5921 It is supposed to represent the "Teenage Angst", which is what makes it appealing. Some people don't like it, they see it as 'cringe', and that's completely fair.
there is a video where someone does that and its 4 minuets but trust me it sounds amazing
Is it really that angsty? Just seems like regular rock music @@jackk.4670
20:45 "having baby shoes AND severed hands at once is amazing!"
I never thought I'd ever hear this
20:07 "With the egg we gain one egg" hmm, seems about right I guess
egg
That egg was worth 20 eggs???
🥚
"With the feather, we lose one egg." Yup, understandable.
"You will give me an egg!"
I think you underrated nemesis a LOT.
All zombie speed addons would make them 2.1 m/s, with them going to 3.6 m/s with stars badge active which is GAMEBREAKING. If one of them locks onto a survivor, the survivor is essentially creating only 0.4 m/s of distance from the zombie, which remember have a huge detection radius of 20m, meaning survivors could theoretically need to run in a straight line for up to 50s (!!!) to create enough distance to shrug off 1 (one) zombie. Sure they could be using pallets, flashlights and windows to delay them, but the amount of time and resources survivors would need to dedicate to keep BOTH zombies under control whenever a gen is done is CRAZY. Pair it with monitor and abuse, tinkerer and/or discordance and survivors literally cannot play.
If that's not enought for you, there's only 3 vaccines on the match that take 9 extra seconds to apply that reveal and get you exposed, against a killer that can at any moment go undetectable and ramps up to level 3 ridiculously fast.
In summary, the only weakness of nemesis - map control - would be completely solved and made into a literal hell for survivors by the hands of greg and susan.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Yeah honestly that's a very good point, I still think that on average large maps the speedy zombies would still fail to find Survivors often but you make a great point!!
Don't forget the fact that the respawn add-ons make Killing Zombies pretty much a non-option, they HAVE to blind them or get them in a softlock, or dedicate one person to coralling zombies until they're hunted down and now there's 2 zombies heading around where a hook occured
YESSSS one hour of you rambling about the repercussions of add-on combos that literally cannot exist in the game and will never affect me in any match, ever. HOW is this so exciting I don't KNOW, but it IS, bless your chat.
Best one was Pig, or "Lore Accurate Saw game"
Seriously mad we never gonna experience Saw movie in DBD 😢
16:10 Nurse would be in a much worse position: the Matchbox on nurse does not reduce the blinks BY one, but TO one. That means that she would only have one blink
Wait really?? 😭
@@notOtzdarva yup
@@notOtzdarva Yh on the matchbox addon it says it sets the maximum number of blink charges to 1 instead of saying it removes 1 blink charge.
Nurse's blinks make me motion sick so in order to play her I use this add on along with machine learning, batteries included, play with ur food, and fire up or tinkerer. I've made it my goal to see if no blink nurse can b made into a decent play style
You’re insane, but that’s a weird amount of genius. After all, who is going to loop against a nurse? Then the survivor runs out into no mans land and gets stabbed.
39:05 "Almost everything gets really, really nice. Your ball would be bigger"
And would make them exhausted 😭
@@FogoVik💀
I love how so many killers would be much better without their rarest add-ons
Next, I want a Killer Tier List, except Nemesis has a rocket launcher
Lore accurate tierlist
@CrabbChips that sounds like fun
@CrabbChips Lore accurate Wesker would just be him running around the entire map and three seconds, shooting people, and having the ability to dodge pallets stuns lol.
@@revenge3265 id take my chances with him over a lore accurate nemesis
who would be the strongest killer if ALL of them were lore accurate?
My first and only thought was if doctor shocks you, you would be getting so many different things effecting you lmao. I need this as a game mode now
Maybe, but you're already getting that from Iri King alone.
Make a double game mode, with 4 addons and 8 perks.
And watch the chaos
That would be incredibly survivor sided to the point it isn’t fun
and 10 gens and 6 hooks per survivor
@ They balanced 2v8 well enough, weren’t perfect but they did it. I think they can do the same with this
@ lol maybe,
@ Doubling gens would barely do anything, but extend the game by 25%. Doubling hooks would make it impossible to play.
Edit: Taking it back since slugging would be incredibly viable and make great use of the extra gen time.
This makes me really curious what a potential "best possible add-on build" would look like in a tier list. Like what if you COULD pick-and-choose? Which killers would be the best, which ones would still suck?
Pig finally A-Tier!
An active trap with four boxes left to search leaves you with around 60 seconds to traverse, that might be actually not enough time. One missed skill check that puts you in mend and it's definitely over.
A full on death sentence
Sounds pretty lore accurate tbh
I was gonna say i wouldn't be surprised if atleast one headpop happens
Only the real Otz could have 20 add-ons equipped
BHVR team: " We have watched hypothetical tierlist and decided to nerf Pig"
They saw that all 20 Add-ons on her would be to strong so they nerfed her crouch back to release Pig.
"Killers have 20 add-on slots now which means that finally, FINALLY, Pyramid Head mains can add some variety to their build:
They can add in a third add-on and leave the other 17 slots blank."
Honestly, PH would actually be quite nuts if he can use all addons at once. He basically gains permanent info while survivors lose most of their info.
ONE thing I didn't mention is that his trails would last a lot longer on the ground but that's still so mild.
@@notOtzdarva If Torment had more severe *immediate* consequences, maybe duration might be remotely worth considering. But most of Torment's benefits come from downing a Survivor with it, and having your trails last for another 3-5 business days doesn't exactly help with that.
@@perfectharbinger1398 Torment is fine as is, the trails are generally fine as is too. Because if they last significantly longer, survivors are forced to crouch everywhere. If torment did more than it does now, survivors would be punished for not crouching.
The main issue with the trail is that addons affecting survivors surrounding the trail are always going to be terrible, because you cant buff the trail too much. But you can rework them all to benefit PH. Like, give him 5% haste when walking on the trail. Give him aura reading within 5 meters or smth (not more because then he can camp cages without issue). Stuff like that.
@@notOtzdarva nurse would be worse then all killers except myer's. you get 1 blink at 4.4 with half distance, half blink lunge while having a power that makes 4.4 m/s for 60 SECONDS. i'd put nurse at the bottom.
You probably won't believe me, but I was the one who asked that is your chat Otz. I'm equally as intersted in this topic and am very glad you made this video! ❤
Thanks for the question David!
Bro… I asked this in chat. Idk why you trying to get clout 😂
Idk who to believe @Joel-rp3eg
@@Sunkem1Not6Hacks great minds think alike.
@@Sunkem1Not6Hacks Yh that’s fair. Idrc about getting credit, just didn’t want somebody lying to y’all
Me 1/4 vodka bottle in: I'm not that drunk...
Me 3/4 vodka bottle in:
We got hypothetical DBD Tierlists before GTA 6
Shut up bot
😭😭
maybe we'll get a funny variation of this joke before gta 6
There’s optimism then there’s stupidity.
Having 560 seconds (nine minutes and 20 seconds) of power with The Plague without any survivor cleansing in the whole mach it's crazy.
What’s funny is that you can pretty much do the same with just the iri and the purple amulet rn in game
@lolohnah With that it's six minutes, but yeah, it's insane.
You know its getting bad out here when even Otz is getting into What-If's
Really fun video 😊 it's made me think about how Iris work though. I love the ones that have cool synergy and can almost 'enable' the other. I think it's a shame when add-ons can't be used together, especially the Iris. But then it would also be a shame to lose some unique add-ons if that were the case, like Hag's Iris.
Happy new year soon! My partner and I have enjoyed watching lots of your tier lists this year ❤
Love your videos m8
Wraith would be very good imo. His aura still being a thing could actually be useful or negated by aura perks or undetectable perks.
Incredibly fast, best info, uncloaks after breaking a pallet in a nanosecond and completely silent. Would be very hard to go up against.
I thought the same thing when I saw the title. Wraith has no negative or wasteful addons. Wraith would suddenly be an S+ tier killer.
Definitely. The terror radius is barely an issue since what do survivors do? Wraith vaults windows faster than survivors and can’t even use pallets if they don’t make a mistake. Pre-drop is an instant break, greed will be a bodyblock, and don’t even try to stun them…
@ not to forget that breaking pallets will decloak you, so you are instantly able to swing
@ plus, beast and serpent with dissolution is an actually fun build that catches survivors off guard. Imagine that, but with insane movement and info built in
Game mode idea: Killers get 4 Add ons and survivors get two items they can switch between.
Now survivors can gen rush AND annoy me with flashlights, at the same time!
Technically they can get 3 items,if we count killer power ones
Give the Survivors a 5th perk instead honestly. Having 4 add-ons as killer would essentially be an extra perk.
I love hypothetical videos like this, it feels like such a thought experiment thinking about the possibilities
I've been asking the community their thoughts on this for so long so glad you made a video on it
Skull Merchant: "A mediocre stealth M1 killer with almost nothing else going for them."
Yeah but what about AFTER you include the 20 add-ons? 🙃
Still a mediocre stalth M1 killer with almost nothing else going for them
10:10 for legion mural sketch + never sleep pills are very good together maybe one of the best addon combo for legion
EXACTLY Having pills, the extra speed add on, and the extra duration add on all at once would guarantee 5 hits on most cases
God forbid ur on a small map and while ur constantly getting these 5 hits ur destroying all the pallets and gens are regressing AND the remaining survivors would have a 16 second mend. Overall legion is vastly underrated here
The thing about Myers too, is that he'd have the speed debuff from the Tombstone as well on top of being locked at T1, which moves slower than normal already.
And the thing with Doctor is, the main effect of the addons stack (I use double shock delay a lot) so he'd get -0.45 seconds on his shock therapy, which is insane. On top of the fact that Calm would make him completely undetectable by reducing his terror radius to nothing while Static Blast was on cooldown, and then making it basically map wide when it IS ready, which is on a much shorter cooldown due to the Order notes, and because it raises their Madness level by 1, they'd have their auras revealed for six seconds due to the Restraint notes.
Paragraph andy but tldr Doctor would be broken.
The triumphant return of Burger King Myers
No he wouldn't have the speed debuff from iri tombstone because that speed nerf only takes effect when he's in t3
I feel like addons should be infinite, like a way to prestige them.
Then whats stopping tombstones myers in every game
Maybe being P100 with a character should unlock that for their bloodweb, so you never have to spend points on them again afterwards.
using the addon and getting a 4k an amount of times, getting adepts with it, using only it in 4ks, and in exchange it should be infinite and erase it from the blood web. A fully prestiged killer should only have BP and map offerings and event ones. At max level you should be able to increase the BP cap by some amount and get two BP offering slots.
That sounds like a great way to kill variety and go against a killers 2 strongest add-ons every single match.
@@CounterGoose53Variety of add-ons is pretty much what people choose to bring anyway.If killer is going for a win,he probably Will bring 2 strongest add-ons,as it's not always a case that strong add-on has to be rare
Spectacular addon website 💕
My man had a shower thought and made a dead ass serious 1h video about it lmao
Honestly, the far more interesting (and less unrealistic) question would be: Which killers would profit the most from having a third addon slot? I am not asking who would be the strongest killer, it would obviously still be someone like nurse or blight. But who would simply elevate themselves the best through one additional addon.
It obviously wouldn't be Freddy or Pyramid Head since their addons generally suck.
a video? at this time of year? localized within my recommendations? yes please.
But Otz, what about Selfcare + No mither? 😎
These survivor mains with their meta perks😡🤬😡🤬😡🤬😡🤬😡🤬 nerf
Nah, Resilience + No Mither + Dead Hard goes hard
(Maybe This Is Not Happening if you want easier skill checks)
*Adam's family theme remixed starts to play*
i could get behind this style of tier list... great video otz :)
I think your underestimating the speed of the zombies for Nemi. They'd be running around at around Billy chainsaw dash or blight rush speeds so they'd scare people off gens way too much, or you'd need to have someone tank a zombie to blind it. That or they drop so many pallets and as such a lot of pallets would just be off the map.
that's if they do gens fast i can imagine 2 going off and they would probably outspeed survivors but they aint Billy speeds
Interesting to do a sort of "Ultimate Killer" event thing, where killers get the effects of all addons at once and can only use their own perks
Charcoal stick once again spoiling everyone's (my) fun
I think a mild version of this concept would be a really cool experimental game mode with killers getting 3 or maybe 4 add-on slots and survivors get an extra perk slot or two or could bring 2 different items
this is the most ovethinking-like Otz's video I have ever seen and I fricking love it
The thing about blight is he also becomes a stealth killer
I love how Ghostface doesn't have any contradicting add-ons, he just gets better with every addon
What a fun, and perfect idea. Thank you for the hour of entertainment! Love you otz
10:20 A suprisingly rare Otz L in my opinion, I thin legion would be an actual demon personally
thats what i thought, i think he would actually be near the top instead.
Ya was gonna say, did he forget about mural sketch or something? All you need is mural sketch with pills and after 2 frenzy hits you’re already moving significantly faster than normal legion. That with Susie’s allowing you to see killer instinct across the whole map and you have a near unavoidable 5 hit frenzy.
I disagree but who knows!!
Completely agree, never sleep pills + mural sketch is already a good addon combo.
never sleep pills with the iri tape is actually a pretty oppressive combo, since the entire time you're in power all unworked gens are being regressed, whilst the other addons make up for the shortfalls that addon combo usually has
50:33 And you know what else is massive?
I want this to be a game mode, badly. Maybe a perkless gamemode with how strong some killers would be.
Survivors could join in to although, I think the freedom of picking any item with all the add-ons into a trial would be a bit....busted. So in exchange, just spawn some extra chests into a trial.
Yay, another hour long video to binge. Though this is short for you otz.
Love this concept, love to see something original in the dbd community, very fun to think about things that weren't inteded, great vid
Super fun video idea, I’d love to see another one where killers have access to all their addons but can choose to exclude certain ones to see how it changes the tier list!
Thank you for this! This was really fun. But also, super informative. I havent gotten into the weeds on the addons for a number of the Killers and this has helped inform me about some cool addons that I I believe will help me find certain killers more enjoyable to play.
Otz,
I love your dedication to the game and how much time and thought you put into these videos.
Keep up the good work because DbD wouldn't be the same without you ❤
I would say "Otz has officially lost it," but I don't know the last time that Otz had it...
I love seeing Pig this high on a tierlist. It may never come to pass but it fills me with joy anyway.
This is exactly the content we like to see
To be honest, I feel like you *could* move Dracula down to the bottom of Great, just because the extra hellfire charge time gets cancelled out by the Sylph Feather after breaking 5 pallets, leaving you with a -10% cooldown thanks to the Ruby Circlet, as well as Ring of Vlad and sunglasses combining together to make the Hellfire Spell just as long as it normally is WITH the minor tracking of the Ring of Vlad. Not to mention the wolf form would basically be able to pounce every couple seconds as long as you at least stay on the trail of the survivors. And with the Bat Form’s teleportation giving nearby survivors hindered, blocking off the teleported to window, and being faster and longer range; Dracula truly becomes a monster of the night.
I thought of this idea a while ago. Imagine a game mode where both killers and survivors get double add ons and perks
I love this type of video. Just positively reinforcing you so you make one again!!!. The exclamation points means its a command
The thing is with the Nurse’s matchbox add on is that it works like Huntress’s iri head. Back when Huntress had add ons that increased her hatchet count, they wouldn’t work with Iri head because it limited the amount of hatchets to one, not just reduced it.
Nurse’s matchbox add on does the same thing, it limits the blink count to one. So she would only get the downside of a longer blink recharge time from the torn bookmark add on
I appreciate how much effort you put into everything you put into everything you do on DbD. My fiancé and I were talking about a lot of these as soon as we saw the title, and this was really fun to watch. I also love that you are honest with everything you do and don't sugar coat things on behavior's behalf. So thank you for all that you do in the community.
I've been watching for a while lot longer and it really sounds like otz is in a teleshopping commercial "you get this AND you get this AND you get this AND you get this...."
Eating everything at the buffet will always lead you to feeling bloated and uncomfortable
1:54 Imagine someone maining Myers in this gamemode and STILL getting 2-3 kills, imagine the flex, being able to get even with survivors as Tier 1 Myers 🗿
I feel like impossible skillcheck Doctor with all 20 add-ons would just be constant audio-visual hell until the survivors just give up.
LMAO yes I want this now
I'm a huge fan of hypothetical questions like this, me and my friends have discussed multiple times how if we all even had 5 perks instead of 4 how crazy different the game would be, and this is right up that alley
bro just wanted to say I've been watching your videos for a little while and I absolutely love them ♥keep it up!
Counter argument for legion… The chase music would be very interesting
This is actually really fascinating to think about. It does, however, reinforce that a number of killers need revisions to their add-ons.
Hell yeah otz for an hour talking about hypothetical dbd situations like if it were to happen. Just what I needed before bed
This would make for an interesting mode!
This could be a interesting game mode.
1v8 but give the killer those 20 add on slots (but don't require all 20 slots to be filled)
So you can really max out a specific killer your good with would be alot of fun
39:09 - phrases that will be cemented on the Otz grave...
It’s ironic that a lot of killer’s worst add ons are iridescent
Its beacuse a lot of iridescent add-ons are not supposed to be super strong but change the power in some unique way (or they are just bad)
This is a really funny idea, I'd love to see more like this too.
Do we think the tierlist would change dramatically if you got to pick and choose the add-ons and could leave some of the 20 slots empty? (By which I mean, the ordering of killers - obviously none of them would "get worse.") I'm not sure much would aside from the killers at the very bottom.
To balance this out, do survivors also get every item add-on for whatever item they choose?
Like just imagine a Commodius toolbox with BNP *and* all other add-ons. Or a medkit with like 50 extra charges. I can't think of any down-side add-ons for any items, even syringe you can just choose not to use until last minute.
Okay, now do this tierlist but without meme tier addons and purely based on syngery. Could they beat Goku?
32:33 And you know what else is passive?
never sleep pills are actualy pretty good. they make you go normal speed, aka 4.6m/s, but your power duration makes your power last 20 second, and with the yellow sketch you gain speed faster. so in my opinion, legion would be pretty good.
Thank you Otz for the incredible content, it helps me during my nightshift as a security guard (staying up and all of that)
16:50 I still can't believe Nurse wouldn't be OP in this hypothetical gamemode, so does that mean regular Nurse isn't op? 😮
Nah im kidding but still wild how she didn't end up still op
If you had an option to disable 1 or 2 addons from being used this list would look so different, that's so interesting
Just got my apt. broken into and robbed, but atleast I still got an hour long otz video to cheer me up. Thanks for the years of content friend❤
This is a good idea for a game mode maybe it can be with a randomized killer and survivor with a randomized item that also has every single add on with no perks
ive been saying for a while that survivors should have a passive perk based off their lore...a 5th perk if you will. Then as for killers they should have a 3rd addon so peeps can play more into those meme builds as well as the more tortuous builds....just food for thought cuz tbh it'd make the game more scary and interesting not knowing the addons cuz almost every experienced dbd player can guess 3 of the 4 perks the killer is running but most wouldnt get the addons right until half way through the trail giving the killer a slight advantage until the climax of the trail then all hell breaks loose near the end game collapse cuz everyone knows each others hand of perk theyre using
Yeah i like the idea but i dont think a third addon could compensate enough against a 5th perk
idea sounds good, but if the passive perk for survivors is something like haste or gen speed, we are only gonna be seeing the same 2 or 3 survivors in every lobby. and i don’t think the devs (or anyone really) could b creative enough to keep the passives balanced and interesting
I've been hoping we could someday get something like that 5th survivor perk because it would actually add some uniqueness to each survivor instead of just being a re-skin with different voices, but I'm afraid that it would make it so you only see one or two survivor's ever showing up because they have the best skills or something
Identity V along with unique starting items, gives survivors passive traits. These items and traits make it so that survivors can be split up into different categories such as rescue, support, containment(looping) and objective completion(generator repairs/gate opening). Generally characters that aren't objective completion centered have debuffs to their objective completion ability, whilst those who are have debuffs to their containment/rescue ability. For example the character with the fastest repair speed has a limited range of vision and a 30% vaulting debuff making them pretty bad in general.
Also non of these characters have unique perks and all use the same perk set, making the game less pay to win/grindy than DbD.
Bruh wraith with all add ons just becomes a new killer
Wouldn't some of bubbas add-ons make him tantrum before we could pull up his chainsaw because of too much revving making his power useless?
Otz didn't realize but hag has an add-on that makes phantasm traps not spawn the illusionary hag when triggered, which directly counteracts the bodyblock add-on, so all that's left is just a faster killer that slows you when you go in certain places...
Otzdarva never fails to come up with insane video ideas.
Now I wish to see a video of gameplay with the worst combination of addons for killers. Could be fun to watch basically nerfed killers by yourself.
This was a fun thought experiment. Thanks otz!
I love videos like this. Can we get a series of "Tier Lists No One Asked For But Everyone Needs To Know Now"?
I like this type of hypothetical, what about a video idea of:
"How strong would every map be for survivor/ killer with the best possible tile spawn rng?"
i think you underrated how ridiculous wraith would be. sure, he loses stealth, but he has constant info, almost instant uncloaks and recloaks, can pretty much instabreak stuff while cloaked. the raw numbers gain would get stupid, and he wouldn't be hurt at all aside from the terror radius sticking around.
And said terror radius is fixed easily by stealth perks like unforseen or trail of torment. It really doesn't matter either he would be insane in chase regardless and too fast for him having a terror radius to matter
Been thinking about a similar custom gamemode for quite some time, this topic reminds me of it. The Gamemode would go something like this: Normal 1-Killer vs 4-Survivor setup with 5 Gens and the Door to open. However both Killer and Suvivor can have up to 8 Perks in their kit and 4 Addons on their items or power. There is a Catch however: A point system exists with a maximum of 100 Points. This Point system is for balance reason. If your points go into the negative your Character will be hit with debuffs like reduced action-speed or movespeed, increasing the higher your negative points are (-100 Points is the max it can reach, below that number you aren’t able to join a lobby). Equipping Perks and/or Items with Addons decreases the amount of points depending on their rarity while leaving slots empty doesn’t decrease the points. At or above 0 Point your character will have small buffs like increase action-speed or moves. For examle: A Trapper equips 6 Perks (-15 Points per perk) and the addons: Honing Stone , Trapperbag (-10 points per Very rare Addon) and Iridescent Stone (-20 points cause Ultra rare addon). He would have a point score of -30 and would be affected with 3 Debuffs (1 Debuff per -10 points) to balance this that trapper has to pick a choice of 3 debuffs. He chooses 3 times -10% Trap setting speed and now he can search for a lobby.
This should unironically be a gamemode, but also survivors have to run all addons on their items as well. Which makes me curious what would happen if all killers and Survivors were forced to run all perks at the same time in a match.
Killers would get basically permanent information when Survivors or they do anything (once the Distortion tokens have been worked through, which would be really quick), more hexes than totems could spawn, and Undying + Thrill would make them basically uncleanseable (and even if they do manage to cleanse one you have Penti), an M1 would apply ALL the statuses, a LOT of stat increases (vaulting, breaking, Bloodlust) INCREDIBLY oppressive slowdown, ALL the Undetectable you'd want, ALL the endgame boosters, and much more!
Survivors would get... ALL the activated abilities, all Exhaustion perks would mean you basically only ever use Sprint Burst, ALL the information when Killers or they do anything (barring Dying survivors because Knockout), ALL the effects when going into a locker (countered by Iron Maiden), ALL the boons (countered by Undying+Thrill), ALL the Haste when anything happens, aaaaaand everyone is permanently injured and Broken because No Mither, which also means all the healing perks are useless.
Yeah Killers become the power role they were always meant to be don't they.
The underestimation on legion is insane! Pills + sketch is one of the steongest legion combos that exist
For Trapper:
If you rescue yourself, you go down.
f a friend rescues you: you walk away unscathed BUT the friend gets injured for disarming.
I love these thought experiment type videos!