Excellent review I really like the way you approach things very informative, clean and precise information. You seem like you’d be a really fun guy to hang out with and thank you because I’ve been trying to figure out what firearm I’m gonna buy next. I’d like to see you try out the PDP proand see how you like that compared to the PDP standard. Keep up the good work.
It's a tough decision. PDP is by no means a bad gun. I think it's one of the best on the market! Love my Full Size 4 inch. Best stock trigger (Canik is there with them, but since it's a Walther clone I gotta give it to the original), reliable, accurate, great ergos. I personally have to pick the Echelon. The way it just nestles into my hands and locks in, the weight, the recoil impulse, the trigger is very nice, if not as good as the PDP it is right there with it. Accurate, reliable, and you don't have to replace the sights to cowitness when you add an optic (was an extra $60 for the PDP). You cannot go wrong with either one IMO. So why not just have both? LOL
It’s PDP for me. I’m a big Springfield XDM-E fan, so I expected Echelon to be all of the pre-release hype plus some. The first day it was on the rentals at my LGS, I took it out and ran about 200 rounds. Did not care for the trigger at all. Sticking with my PDP Pro and XDM-E.
I bought the echelon, so i can only speak on that platform. I love it, feels good in the hands and is a great shooter. 250 rounds so far (not a lot) and no malfunctions. For what its worth it came with 1 20 round mag and 1 17 round mag with an extra baseplate. So i ran both 20 round mags with no issues.
Very nice review of both guns. I do have the PDP, full size with the 5'' barrel. Extremely accurate gun. I thrust Walther brand. My parental grandfather had Walther P-39 fighting afgainst the Germans during the WWII. Never failed him. I trust the Walther brand.
Great video! Love my Echelon. Shot amazing out of the box. I put on a Holosun 508t rd x2, a nightstick 550 tcm light, and a ndx stainless steel guide rod. Cant wait to shoot it again!
Man I thought you were about to say Springfield at the end lol. I competitively shoot an Xfive legion. Just purchased the PDP last week and I’m raving about it. Great video. Got a sub from me for sure
PDP is my preferred sidearm solely for the triggers. PDP F 4 inch for carry. Full size PDP Pro 5.1 bedside. Had I not already purchased them, the Springfield Echelon would be on my list to try. But I don't think you can beat the PDP triggers out of the box IMO...
I agree with what you said. Both are great, but I also prefer the PDP for the same reasons you said (primarily grip comfort, the weight, size, and presentation). All of that and also because I think the trigger is better and I simply shoot the PDP better. Me having more experience with the PDP plays a huge role in it, but it just feels like it was tailored made for my hands and how I shoot. My friend went with me to Texas Gun Experience where we got to rent different guns to shoot. He's a Glock fanboy and after trying the Echelon, he preferred that instead. He said it handles closer to a Glock (what he's used to) and feels like a custom one. We didn't get to see the presentation of what the gun came with though so your review was very insightful. Keep up the good work man! I'm loving these videos
Good video. Great comparison. I've shot neither of these but from what I've seen I'd probably go with the echelon the only reason I'd go with the PDP is because it's older and is more proven.
Hey man. Gotta say after getting a better look at the Cerakote job on that Eschelon it looks really nice. Good choice there. Now I just gotta choose between these two guns. The Echelon being modular has me leaning that way currently. Thanks for the content.
I just got my Echelon. Really like it but, the Hellcat Pro is my EDC. After I put a DPM recoil rod & PRP trigger w/ springs. I’m waiting on the large grip frame with aggressive texture, to get more acquainted with the Echelon. Great comparison & honest review. 👍🏽
I have owned and loved to carry and shoot the PDP 4 in compact since for almost a year now. I just purchased the Echelon on Father's Day. I shot them both along with Canik Mete SFT. OMG! It's splitting hairs. 3 great guns.
First time on the channel. Love your format and I became a subscriber. On a separate note ARGG, take a look at timeline 10:00. You may want to consider changing out your grip as demonstrated in a video "Everything You Didn't Know About Pistol Grip: Part 1 | With Tim Herron". The pad of your hand is not behind the grip so you may not get as much recoil control as you would using Tim Herron's grip method. You might thank me later after giving it a try.
Echelon is the way. I got a powder river precision trigger, zr tactical stainless guide rod with a 17# spring, monsoon tactical lucky 7’s porting job. This joker is the flattest shooting and smoothest pistol I’ve ever had
Thanks for doing this comparison. I have both and the PDP grip and trigger separates it from the Echelon. Both are great, but I couldn't find the perfect grip size and back strap for the Echcelon(even after trying the large frame and back a traps) that made it feel perfect in my hand. The Echelon's grip is shaped like the CZ P10. You either love that shape or hate it. However, i would recommend both. They are excellent firearms.
The back strap on the echelon you have to move it left and right when it is in place till you hear a click to seat back strap. I had that problem with it moving. 11:48
I own the pdp sd pro 5.1” with the herring-ton arms comp on it as well as an olight with standard iron sights. Also a tungsten guid rod. I really love the gun and so does my wife she even calls it “her gun”! However, I also have the echelon with the olight Valkyrie pl-3R and a Holosun 507. Comparing both to each other is extremely hard cause they are both very solid/flawless fire arms. Besides weight and trigger difference i think the pdp pro comes out on top simply due to the trigger. Overall value comparing price and straight out of the box i think the echelon wins. It’s just really similar and cheaper than the pdp sd pro. I love both guns tho! Really happy Springfield stepped up last year and really looking forward to what else they’ll come out with….. I have ran about 8,000 rounds through the pdp and only around 800 or so with the echelon and so far zero malfunctions with both firearms!
Not a big 9mm guy. All my handguns are Springfield Armory. I have 2 .40s, a 10mm, a 45 acp, and a 9mm. The Echelon is one I'm thinking about strongly buying. Waiting to see if they make one in a different caliber.
You know I own both of these, and I’m a Springfield guy but I gotta keep it a 💯 not being biased at all but I gotta run with the Echelon cause that MF shoot flat for a striker fire pistol fresh out the box. But nah real shit, im glad you did this because from day one I been sayin these two guns are damn near twins. Definitely not Glock by a loooong shot. 🤞 dope video my dawg!!!
@@MrDnice309 FACTS IT SHOOTS TOO DAMN GOOD. I HAD TO DROP A GUIDE ROD IN THE PDP TO HELP WITH THAT RECOIL. I DROPPED ONE IN THE ECHELON TOO BUT I DIDN’T HAVE TO LIKE THE PDP. AS THEY SAY, DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS THO 💪😎
Esp carry looks best on Springfield echelon or 507k x2. Flush fit on side of slide. I carry both and I prefer the Springfield because it not as wide in the slide( more comfortable) both shoot great
@@mikegurv1818 That is a tough question. Really tough. The only reason I'd take my P10 over the P07 is because my P10 is optic and surpressor ready. If it wasn't, I'd take my P07.
I got a PDP compact 4". Nice looking gun but I just don't seem to shoot it as well as my CZ P01 or HK P2000 LEM. I think it's because of high bore axis and thicker grip. Its bore axis is almost as high or similar to Sig P229 which I consider to be a superior gun. I still like the good looking PDP and plan to give it sufficient range time to see if I can change my mind. You customized your Echelon. Looks are subjective but to me the PDP looks better than Echelon out of the box.
That Echelon is sexy, enjoyed your review, I own an Echelon done few things to it just because I wanted to, you really don't need to do anything to it, it's a solid choice
I wanted to love the Echelon so badly but I just can't get down with the Glock-style grip angle. Everything else about it rules though, and that custom job you have on it is sexy af. Just love the PDP platform though, is my favorite polymer handgun. Hope you can get your hands on one or both of the match models for review! Looking at getting the polymer match for USPSA.
For me the PDP wins in these categories Grip Grip texture looks And balance Options like threaded barrel magwell and flat face upgraded trigger for a very reasonable price on the pro model Trigger Slide release is very nice. I would say quality but that depends. Where the Echlon shines Price Optic mounting system Lighter weight. Modular FCU Lower bore axes. You decide on which is for you. I need both lol.
I say this the best gun is the gun that's ready when u need it. I love my echelon but I don't ever tell someone what to buy. I always tell them go to a good gun range and try them out for yourself.
Aye wzup man how you doing ??? Yo wut do u think about the confiscation law of Gunz in Illinois starting next month ??!! Yo that crazy. The 2A in Illinois and guns organizations of the state and the FOP and sheriffs of every county he got to stand up for this it gives the people that actually can own and do guns. It hurts him and it’s crazy.
was thinking about the same Holosun sight for my Echelon, but i think im mostly taking it into indoor ranges. do you think that would still work or is it better for outdoor ranges where the sun light can charge it? (im a noob)
Out of curiosity - on the PDP - is that a steel frame? The two should be pretty close on weight if you have a polymer frame PDP. The Steel frame version however would be considerably heavier than the Echelon which is polymer-frame only.
Up until quite recently, i've always been team Glock. I have several in different calibers. Lately ive been eyeing different pistols in which I just picked up an FN 545 and before that the Springfield echelon. I like the echelon but I've been drooling over these Walther PDP's. I think I will add the "pro" model to my collection. That PDP you have looks like the "Pro" Model..or is it standard?
Wait, you asked for an unbiased opinion, then questioned the opinion lmao. I'm a PDP guy but the Echelon feels 90% the same. Either firearm is a great choice
I think when you compare the PDP to the Echelon this way, it's apples to apples because they're about the same price. However, if you look past price a little bit, the PDP Pro really accentuates the differences. You get the best version of an already better trigger, right out of the box. The threaded barrel and magazine well are extra as far as I'm concerned... that trigger is the best striker fired trigger I've felt. The ergonomics, especially the grip, is ultimately a matter of preference... but I don't know any human beings who would feel the PDP Pro trigger next to the Echelon trigger and choose the Echelon. Keeping in mind that most law enforcement officers aren't able to really modify their firearms, and that's a big part of the market, you can say that having a factory-modified gun like the PDP Pro is always going to be a really successful release in a market like that too, which also drives civilian sales. The Echelon kills it with their optics mounting platform, especially as it's a great value, but that's not quite enough.
I have 2 PDPs - a full size, 5” and a 4” PDP Pro Personally, I don’t think you’ll find a better pistol out the box for its price. I rented a Echelon w/ a nice optic and put about 200 rounds through it and I just wasn’t impressed at all. It’s not a bad gun but def not the hype I’ve been hearing on YT. The only slight complain I have w/ the PDP is they’re a bit snappier but I’d you have a good grip it’s not an issue. The texture, ergonomics, reliability and especially the trigger makes me choose the PDP easily.
The Springfield Echelon was by far the best new release of 2023. I did a tabletop of mine here --> ua-cam.com/video/VE-plArbjKE/v-deo.htmlsi=Rg6BUDxoIb_VlGsJ
I guess everyone just likes that clunky crap of a gun I don’t get it but it’s ok the echelon is new so I expect for some have negative opinions about it but we gon see in the next few years what gun holds up the longest that’s what’s important at the end of the day
What? Hardly. PDP is an evolution of the P99/PPQ lineage. Echelon is a clean slate gun with a removable FCU, lower bore axis, and innovative optics mounting. The "cheap" knockoff walthers are Caniks.
@@socmonki I'm fully aware of the PDP's lineage. The Echelon takes clear visual inspiration of the PDP and the removable FCU has already been done by Sig. Springfield is real good at copying bits and pieces from other manufacturers. Bum company.
@@DanielTaylor-tz1rf so, they both look like guns and you think hs produkt stole the design. Gotcha. Better get them glasses checked. Removable fcu is something all new guns should have imo. So much easier to deal with. Say what you want about Springfield and hs produkt (the actual manufacturer), they make good weapons and they sell. Knocking any company for iterating on designs that came before is stupid. Even John Moses browning took over a decade to get to the 1911 design.
First of all, if it wasn't for the Walther PDP, there would be no Springfield Echelon. Springfield would not have anyone to copy from. Springfield could never make a pistol as good as Walther, NEVER! Springfield is the kind of gunmaker that waits to see what the REAL firearm companies come out with and then copy ideas, materials etc. You call yourself "A Regular Gun Guy", but even regular guys have to do research to find out what is really a good firearm and what is nothing more than a company attempting to capitalize on good firearms from other companies. And furthermore, why the hell do you guys think its okay to put those lights on every pistol you talk about? I know for a fact that most of you guys do it because of less felt recoil. If you need a flashlight to help you control recoil, you need to stop shooting, period. You seem like a good guy and you have 45,000 subscribers which i think is a wonderful thing, but its about pistols, not flashlights. I'm sure that there's others that would agree.
Excellent review I really like the way you approach things very informative, clean and precise information. You seem like you’d be a really fun guy to hang out with and thank you because I’ve been trying to figure out what firearm I’m gonna buy next. I’d like to see you try out the PDP proand see how you like that compared to the PDP standard. Keep up the good work.
I'm rolling with the springfield echelon all day!
I will always respect your decision to help us pick the right one RGG. I carry a PDP everyday
It's a tough decision. PDP is by no means a bad gun. I think it's one of the best on the market! Love my Full Size 4 inch. Best stock trigger (Canik is there with them, but since it's a Walther clone I gotta give it to the original), reliable, accurate, great ergos. I personally have to pick the Echelon. The way it just nestles into my hands and locks in, the weight, the recoil impulse, the trigger is very nice, if not as good as the PDP it is right there with it. Accurate, reliable, and you don't have to replace the sights to cowitness when you add an optic (was an extra $60 for the PDP). You cannot go wrong with either one IMO. So why not just have both? LOL
It’s PDP for me. I’m a big Springfield XDM-E fan, so I expected Echelon to be all of the pre-release hype plus some. The first day it was on the rentals at my LGS, I took it out and ran about 200 rounds. Did not care for the trigger at all. Sticking with my PDP Pro and XDM-E.
I bought the echelon, so i can only speak on that platform. I love it, feels good in the hands and is a great shooter. 250 rounds so far (not a lot) and no malfunctions. For what its worth it came with 1 20 round mag and 1 17 round mag with an extra baseplate. So i ran both 20 round mags with no issues.
I carry the PDP. But I respect what the Springfield brings to the table. Really nice feature set.
This the video I been lookin for! 🔥🔥
Keep the videos coming bro 🙏🏾🙏🏾💯
Great review! I personally own an Echelon but totally respect the Walther
Very nice review of both guns. I do have the PDP, full size with the 5'' barrel. Extremely accurate gun. I thrust Walther brand. My parental grandfather had Walther P-39 fighting afgainst the Germans during the WWII. Never failed him. I trust the Walther brand.
Great video! Love my Echelon. Shot amazing out of the box. I put on a Holosun 508t rd x2, a nightstick 550 tcm light, and a ndx stainless steel guide rod. Cant wait to shoot it again!
First time viewer here. It’s refreshing to hear someone say “I can’t tell you which one to buy”. We need more people telling it straight up. Subbed 👍🏽
Great breakdown. I agree 100%
Man I thought you were about to say Springfield at the end lol. I competitively shoot an Xfive legion. Just purchased the PDP last week and I’m raving about it. Great video. Got a sub from me for sure
Great review, Thanks!
PDP is my preferred sidearm solely for the triggers. PDP F 4 inch for carry. Full size PDP Pro 5.1 bedside. Had I not already purchased them, the Springfield Echelon would be on my list to try. But I don't think you can beat the PDP triggers out of the box IMO...
I’m with ya!! been runnin with the 3.5”F and 100% satisfied - looking to add the ProSD for bedside but sold out everywhere -
Walther marketing team really messed up by adding F to the name. People associate it with women now.
I agree with what you said. Both are great, but I also prefer the PDP for the same reasons you said (primarily grip comfort, the weight, size, and presentation). All of that and also because I think the trigger is better and I simply shoot the PDP better. Me having more experience with the PDP plays a huge role in it, but it just feels like it was tailored made for my hands and how I shoot. My friend went with me to Texas Gun Experience where we got to rent different guns to shoot. He's a Glock fanboy and after trying the Echelon, he preferred that instead. He said it handles closer to a Glock (what he's used to) and feels like a custom one. We didn't get to see the presentation of what the gun came with though so your review was very insightful. Keep up the good work man! I'm loving these videos
the best gun is the one that you like !! Cheer !
The Walther PDP Pro FS rocks!!
Maaannnn them colors though 🔥🔥
Good video. Great comparison. I've shot neither of these but from what I've seen I'd probably go with the echelon the only reason I'd go with the PDP is because it's older and is more proven.
I own the PDP PRO it's still my favorite pistol even two years later
Hey man. Gotta say after getting a better look at the Cerakote job on that Eschelon it looks really nice. Good choice there.
Now I just gotta choose between these two guns. The Echelon being modular has me leaning that way currently. Thanks for the content.
I just got my Echelon. Really like it but, the Hellcat Pro is my EDC. After I put a DPM recoil rod & PRP trigger w/ springs. I’m waiting on the large grip frame with aggressive texture, to get more acquainted with the Echelon. Great comparison & honest review. 👍🏽
I have owned and loved to carry and shoot the PDP 4 in compact since for almost a year now. I just purchased the Echelon on Father's Day. I shot them both along with Canik Mete SFT. OMG! It's splitting hairs. 3 great guns.
PDP for me!! Trigger is way better and I love the way it feels in my hand
First time on the channel. Love your format and I became a subscriber. On a separate note ARGG, take a look at timeline 10:00. You may want to consider changing out your grip as demonstrated in a video "Everything You Didn't Know About Pistol Grip: Part 1 | With Tim Herron". The pad of your hand is not behind the grip so you may not get as much recoil control as you would using Tim Herron's grip method. You might thank me later after giving it a try.
I got the 3 dot sight Echelon I'm going wit the Echelon
Another Great Video, brother. 🤟🏿🤟🏿
Echelon is the way. I got a powder river precision trigger, zr tactical stainless guide rod with a 17# spring, monsoon tactical lucky 7’s porting job. This joker is the flattest shooting and smoothest pistol I’ve ever had
great guns! Nice comparison video!
Those new Olights are badass....I liked mine so much that I bought another one
I gotta go with the pdp amazing out the box my edc also...will be getting me a SE soon
Thanks for doing this comparison. I have both and the PDP grip and trigger separates it from the Echelon. Both are great, but I couldn't find the perfect grip size and back strap for the Echcelon(even after trying the large frame and back a traps) that made it feel perfect in my hand. The Echelon's grip is shaped like the CZ P10. You either love that shape or hate it. However, i would recommend both. They are excellent firearms.
I'll be taking PDP compact and CZP10C to the range for comparison purposes. It will be interesting.
PDP all day. Period
Dope comparison just pick up the echelon haven’t shot it yet but looks and fail like dope gun PDP next one on my list
I have both and can't go wrong with either. I prefer the echelon shooting wise and the pdp looks wise. They're both reliable as a glock
I thought I was going to have to unsubscribe for a second there 😂 Good stuff my guy 🤙🏽
I like both
The back strap on the echelon you have to move it left and right when it is in place till you hear a click to seat back strap. I had that problem with it moving. 11:48
I own the pdp sd pro 5.1” with the herring-ton arms comp on it as well as an olight with standard iron sights. Also a tungsten guid rod. I really love the gun and so does my wife she even calls it “her gun”! However, I also have the echelon with the olight Valkyrie pl-3R and a Holosun 507. Comparing both to each other is extremely hard cause they are both very solid/flawless fire arms. Besides weight and trigger difference i think the pdp pro comes out on top simply due to the trigger. Overall value comparing price and straight out of the box i think the echelon wins. It’s just really similar and cheaper than the pdp sd pro. I love both guns tho! Really happy Springfield stepped up last year and really looking forward to what else they’ll come out with….. I have ran about 8,000 rounds through the pdp and only around 800 or so with the echelon and so far zero malfunctions with both firearms!
Good info.
I bought a used g47 and put a timney trigger I bought on Black Friday in it, and ran it against a echelon last week. I liked the g47 better.
PDP of course.
Not a big 9mm guy. All my handguns are Springfield Armory. I have 2 .40s, a 10mm, a 45 acp, and a 9mm. The Echelon is one I'm thinking about strongly buying. Waiting to see if they make one in a different caliber.
You know I own both of these, and I’m a Springfield guy but I gotta keep it a 💯 not being biased at all but I gotta run with the Echelon cause that MF shoot flat for a striker fire pistol fresh out the box. But nah real shit, im glad you did this because from day one I been sayin these two guns are damn near twins. Definitely not Glock by a loooong shot. 🤞 dope video my dawg!!!
I own both as well, and I'm rocking with the springfield all day everyday.
@@MrDnice309 FACTS IT SHOOTS TOO DAMN GOOD. I HAD TO DROP A GUIDE ROD IN THE PDP TO HELP WITH THAT RECOIL. I DROPPED ONE IN THE ECHELON TOO BUT I DIDN’T HAVE TO LIKE THE PDP. AS THEY SAY, DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS THO 💪😎
Esp carry looks best on Springfield echelon or 507k x2. Flush fit on side of slide. I carry both and I prefer the Springfield because it not as wide in the slide( more comfortable) both shoot great
Absolutely love my PDP Pro SD. It's my nightstand choice. Carry a CZ P10c or P07 but want to pick up the PDP F.
Which one do you prefer P10C or P07? I have P01 and P10C but not P07.
@@mikegurv1818 That is a tough question. Really tough. The only reason I'd take my P10 over the P07 is because my P10 is optic and surpressor ready. If it wasn't, I'd take my P07.
I'm not surprised. I know someone who prefers his P07 to P01. @@MrBhcole
I got a PDP compact 4". Nice looking gun but I just don't seem to shoot it as well as my CZ P01 or HK P2000 LEM. I think it's because of high bore axis and thicker grip. Its bore axis is almost as high or similar to Sig P229 which I consider to be a superior gun. I still like the good looking PDP and plan to give it sufficient range time to see if I can change my mind. You customized your Echelon. Looks are subjective but to me the PDP looks better than Echelon out of the box.
PDP SD Pro.. haven't look back
Got the PDP since the release. 0 malfunction.
I call the pdp my sniper hand gun
Your Echelon looks amazing
Thanks man. I appreciate you watching
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That Echelon is sexy, enjoyed your review, I own an Echelon done few things to it just because I wanted to, you really don't need to do anything to it, it's a solid choice
You should compare the canik mete sft pro to both these too
I wanted to love the Echelon so badly but I just can't get down with the Glock-style grip angle. Everything else about it rules though, and that custom job you have on it is sexy af. Just love the PDP platform though, is my favorite polymer handgun. Hope you can get your hands on one or both of the match models for review! Looking at getting the polymer match for USPSA.
Yo where you get the cap from? Fresh, gotta get it
For me the PDP wins in these categories
Grip
Grip texture
looks
And balance
Options like threaded barrel magwell and flat face upgraded trigger for a very reasonable price on the pro model
Trigger
Slide release is very nice.
I would say quality but that depends.
Where the Echlon shines
Price
Optic mounting system
Lighter weight.
Modular FCU
Lower bore axes.
You decide on which is for you. I need both lol.
They look identical. It’s like saying Toyota Camry or Honda accord
I recently tried a pdp for the first time and I already have an echelon, I honestly like the springfield more
I say this the best gun is the gun that's ready when u need it. I love my echelon but I don't ever tell someone what to buy. I always tell them go to a good gun range and try them out for yourself.
I cant believe im saying this but id take the Springfield im thinking about getting the prodigy.
PDP
FACTS
It's a matter of personal preference. Both of them are quality firearms.
Aye wzup man how you doing ??? Yo wut do u think about the confiscation law of Gunz in Illinois starting next month ??!! Yo that crazy. The 2A in Illinois and guns organizations of the state and the FOP and sheriffs of every county he got to stand up for this it gives the people that actually can own and do guns. It hurts him and it’s crazy.
was thinking about the same Holosun sight for my Echelon, but i think im mostly taking it into indoor ranges. do you think that would still work or is it better for outdoor ranges where the sun light can charge it? (im a noob)
Walther PDP SD everyday all the time! 😂
Yeah the pdp sd pro is insane. That trigger ughhhh so good
Did you say you put an O light on the PDP? Which light?
That Echelon looks so good, is that cerakote or a factory color?
Thanks. It’s cerakote
Which Whalter PDP do you have in the video, the 4.5 or the 5 inch?
PDP for the win every time
Are u feeling any different about the platypus?
Out of curiosity - on the PDP - is that a steel frame? The two should be pretty close on weight if you have a polymer frame PDP. The Steel frame version however would be considerably heavier than the Echelon which is polymer-frame only.
you did not mention the price!
My echelon back grips dont hang off like yours. You might want to contact springfield
Echelon. The PDP is too "snappy" with its higher bore axis. Echelon feels good and shoots well.
Who is your cerakote guy?
The High Bore Axis and Thick Slide kept me away from The PDP.
Up until quite recently, i've always been team Glock. I have several in different calibers. Lately ive been eyeing different pistols in which I just picked up an FN 545 and before that the Springfield echelon. I like the echelon but I've been drooling over these Walther PDP's. I think I will add the "pro" model to my collection. That PDP you have looks like the "Pro" Model..or is it standard?
My PDP is the standard model.
@@AREGULARGUNGUY appreciated bruh. Good video
Echelon all day
Nice scale👌 lol
Wait, you asked for an unbiased opinion, then questioned the opinion lmao. I'm a PDP guy but the Echelon feels 90% the same. Either firearm is a great choice
Even tho she said Pdp you're still trying to convince us to go with Echelon 😅....its ok bro, Walther is hard to beat 🤷🏾♂️
Anything except a springfield
Yo back strap on the Springfield not n all the way
10:23 Damn. Need a break from phone screen and take some sleep. Only my thoughts about her here was dirty?
PDP for the WIN!!
Transformer hellcat
I think when you compare the PDP to the Echelon this way, it's apples to apples because they're about the same price. However, if you look past price a little bit, the PDP Pro really accentuates the differences. You get the best version of an already better trigger, right out of the box. The threaded barrel and magazine well are extra as far as I'm concerned... that trigger is the best striker fired trigger I've felt. The ergonomics, especially the grip, is ultimately a matter of preference... but I don't know any human beings who would feel the PDP Pro trigger next to the Echelon trigger and choose the Echelon.
Keeping in mind that most law enforcement officers aren't able to really modify their firearms, and that's a big part of the market, you can say that having a factory-modified gun like the PDP Pro is always going to be a really successful release in a market like that too, which also drives civilian sales. The Echelon kills it with their optics mounting platform, especially as it's a great value, but that's not quite enough.
I have 2 PDPs - a full size, 5” and a 4” PDP Pro
Personally, I don’t think you’ll find a better pistol out the box for its price.
I rented a Echelon w/ a nice optic and put about 200 rounds through it and I just wasn’t impressed at all.
It’s not a bad gun but def not the hype I’ve been hearing on YT.
The only slight complain I have w/ the PDP is they’re a bit snappier but I’d you have a good grip it’s not an issue.
The texture, ergonomics, reliability and especially the trigger makes me choose the PDP easily.
The Springfield Echelon was by far the best new release of 2023. I did a tabletop of mine here --> ua-cam.com/video/VE-plArbjKE/v-deo.htmlsi=Rg6BUDxoIb_VlGsJ
I guess everyone just likes that clunky crap of a gun I don’t get it but it’s ok the echelon is new so I expect for some have negative opinions about it but we gon see in the next few years what gun holds up the longest that’s what’s important at the end of the day
I think he made his mind up a long time ago . Really was no purpose for this video.
Echelon doesn't come close even with a Springer Precision trigger.
PDP is superior to the Echelon in every way. Echelon is more comparable to the CZ P10 and G17 in shooting.
Echelon is a cheap knock off of the PDP NGL
What? Hardly. PDP is an evolution of the P99/PPQ lineage. Echelon is a clean slate gun with a removable FCU, lower bore axis, and innovative optics mounting. The "cheap" knockoff walthers are Caniks.
@@socmonki I'm fully aware of the PDP's lineage. The Echelon takes clear visual inspiration of the PDP and the removable FCU has already been done by Sig. Springfield is real good at copying bits and pieces from other manufacturers. Bum company.
@@DanielTaylor-tz1rf so, they both look like guns and you think hs produkt stole the design. Gotcha. Better get them glasses checked. Removable fcu is something all new guns should have imo. So much easier to deal with. Say what you want about Springfield and hs produkt (the actual manufacturer), they make good weapons and they sell. Knocking any company for iterating on designs that came before is stupid. Even John Moses browning took over a decade to get to the 1911 design.
@@DanielTaylor-tz1rf you don't know Springfield
First of all, if it wasn't for the Walther PDP, there would be no Springfield Echelon. Springfield would not have anyone to copy from. Springfield could never make a pistol as good as Walther, NEVER! Springfield is the kind of gunmaker that waits to see what the REAL firearm companies come out with and then copy ideas, materials etc. You call yourself "A Regular Gun Guy", but even regular guys have to do research to find out what is really a good firearm and what is nothing more than a company attempting to capitalize on good firearms from other companies. And furthermore, why the hell do you guys think its okay to put those lights on every pistol you talk about? I know for a fact that most of you guys do it because of less felt recoil. If you need a flashlight to help you control recoil, you need to stop shooting, period. You seem like a good guy and you have 45,000 subscribers which i think is a wonderful thing, but its about pistols, not flashlights. I'm sure that there's others that would agree.