Great point by Anish about complexity versus accuracy. Explains why many of us mortals get very high accuracy scores in our own games , then get demolished by someone just a few hundred points higher
"You can not do like that you know I'm a respected Grandmaster" - Anish is finding the lighter side of being on the receiving end of Shak's immortal. 🤣
I don't like the idea of pre-arranged draws, but I feel like 99% of the cases when players agree to a draw, the result would be the same without any previous agreement. Arranging draws is more about avoiding stress than about manipulating results.
@@dan1e1473 I feel there is still some small chance of a win or loss when both players want a draw, but even if you pre-arrange a draw there is a small chance of being backstabbed. I would agree that they do not affect results very much, at least in top level play.
Prearranged draws are fine in the cases where it's just a farce, and the players are mutually--within purely the context of the tournament--incentivized to draw. There are 3 cases that come to mind immediately: 1) Making a draw for tied first. The prize structure of tournaments often encourages avoiding variance in outcome right at the end. A split prize is a case of both players being happy with the result (especially if it's a last game to be played, and going home early is a prize for drawing). I don't think a TD should be horrified that--if it's deterministic--the top two players simply stating "we're drawing". Obviously, this is rare if it's an RR tournament, but other structures create this scenario often. 2) Players are in a swiss with a cut. In this case, draw=both through, win= only one through. You instantly draw if you *want to win the tournament*. Take the rest, go home, and play the playoff more fresh. Seems like a no-brainer to me, and I'd tell the TD as much. 3) Same as a above, but at some prize cutoff threshold. If we're both on 4/7, and 4.5/8 prizes and 4 does not, we should make a draw. Both people are happy with the result in the context of the tournament, and I'd tell a TD as much. Similar cases of draws--where both players want to make a draw, and can clearly explain the incentives and it doesn't sound obviously shady--are fine. Any time you can't explain to a TD, openly, why (e.g. "I drew because my opponent needed a draw for a norm"--that's pretty obviously neutral to to one player, and not obviously in their favor. Why is this a positive action to them?)--you've run afoul. But in the cases I've outlined, variance reduction in prize and "I am literally trying to make sure I have a chance to win it all" are pretty benign. Obviously--Anish is more worried about the more shady cases. But all pre-arranged draws aren't evil. Just some of them.
@@vasubalakrishnan3958 I disagree, even when it's mutually beneficial for both players to make a draw, pre-arranging them is cheating (collusion) against other players in the field. It's same as if you agree to soft play with someone in a poker tournament final table, where you are three handed, it's good for two of you but bad for the other player. Imagine if top three Formula 1 racers agreed to drive side by side blocking the road for everyone behind them, and easily claiming top 3 spots, instead of having to compete for it and potentially dropping lower due to it. Pre-arranging the outcome of the game is almost as bad as computer cheating.
Great interview, chesswise I was always impressed by the accuracy of Anish Giri and although there's merit in what he says he's just being humble. Alireza also said: In the clutch seconds Anish plays pretty accurate. I think if he had the spirit/psychological strength of G. Kasparov he would convert far more games in to wins.
Very true. He himself said in one of Sagar's streams that what differentiates him from people like Magnus, apart from Magnus' genius, is his desire to reach the top and just be there.
it's not only about pre-arranged draws but also selling games and loosing in purpose so other players can have higher places in tournament or gain some IM or GM norm
It would actually be awesome to see David in the tournament. Ahead of time we should develop an AI voice of David, and have it comment on the show in real-time.
Pre-arranged draws are disgusting. Or are they? I recall an article from a Dutch journalist (also a strong chess player), about 20 years ago. He participated in a tournament with many East-European players as well. And one offered him a pre-arranged draw. He refused, feeling rather proud of himself, showing those 'communists' the West really is not as corrupt as they thought. Then, after the game, one of the East-European players, a friend of his opponent, approached him, and told him he was a jerk, because his opponent needed the money (for shared third-pace, iirc), to survive and pay his rent. The morale of this story? Sportsmanship is experienced differently in different places in the world.
No, that guy puts himself in that position. He could have worked a normal job without money needs. If you replace chess with poker in your story, surely everybody would say it is his own fault. Because he decided to spend his money and time playing poker instead of working. This is the same in all sports. Cheating is cheating, you cannot budge on that.
@@bobbynygaardchrisitansen6874 That is because you immediately attach a Western judgement to it. I didn't. Nor did that journalist, for that matter. It's sometimes refreshing, though, to see a different perspective. How things deemed 'honorable' in yoour country, can be seen entirely different in another part of the world.
@@sdtok527 That was the whole point of that journalist's story: how we, in the West, can afford the luxury of being of unshaken character, whereas for East-European chess-players of the era, sportmanship was more about 'helping each other survive.'
@@gladosadoree I think the story tells us how corruption is part of culture in some countries. If you agree with people to follow certain rules. In some cultures it is completely normal to bend or break them towards your favor in order to 'survive'.
As usual
Anish is speaking for himself 😆😃🤭😀
You sure it's not a bead that's doing the drawing? lol
@@Corteum it's too much to do for drawing 😀
Anish Speaks For Itself
what a legend Anish Giri never fails to make me smile.
exactly
he also never fails to draw
The man is amazing.
anish giri just got a new fan. He's amazing. Never realized that before i saw this Interview
Great point by Anish about complexity versus accuracy. Explains why many of us mortals get very high accuracy scores in our own games , then get demolished by someone just a few hundred points higher
No doubt, Anish has to be one of the most loved personalities among the Chess community.
wow
"You can not do like that you know I'm a respected Grandmaster" - Anish is finding the lighter side of being on the receiving end of Shak's immortal. 🤣
wow
Quick draws are fine by me, but pre arranged draws are disgusting. Often they affect the tournament standings and qualification spots.
I don't like the idea of pre-arranged draws, but I feel like 99% of the cases when players agree to a draw, the result would be the same without any previous agreement.
Arranging draws is more about avoiding stress than about manipulating results.
@@dan1e1473 I feel there is still some small chance of a win or loss when both players want a draw, but even if you pre-arrange a draw there is a small chance of being backstabbed. I would agree that they do not affect results very much, at least in top level play.
Prearranged draws are fine in the cases where it's just a farce, and the players are mutually--within purely the context of the tournament--incentivized to draw.
There are 3 cases that come to mind immediately:
1) Making a draw for tied first. The prize structure of tournaments often encourages avoiding variance in outcome right at the end. A split prize is a case of both players being happy with the result (especially if it's a last game to be played, and going home early is a prize for drawing). I don't think a TD should be horrified that--if it's deterministic--the top two players simply stating "we're drawing". Obviously, this is rare if it's an RR tournament, but other structures create this scenario often.
2) Players are in a swiss with a cut. In this case, draw=both through, win= only one through. You instantly draw if you *want to win the tournament*. Take the rest, go home, and play the playoff more fresh. Seems like a no-brainer to me, and I'd tell the TD as much.
3) Same as a above, but at some prize cutoff threshold. If we're both on 4/7, and 4.5/8 prizes and 4 does not, we should make a draw. Both people are happy with the result in the context of the tournament, and I'd tell a TD as much.
Similar cases of draws--where both players want to make a draw, and can clearly explain the incentives and it doesn't sound obviously shady--are fine.
Any time you can't explain to a TD, openly, why (e.g. "I drew because my opponent needed a draw for a norm"--that's pretty obviously neutral to to one player, and not obviously in their favor. Why is this a positive action to them?)--you've run afoul. But in the cases I've outlined, variance reduction in prize and "I am literally trying to make sure I have a chance to win it all" are pretty benign.
Obviously--Anish is more worried about the more shady cases. But all pre-arranged draws aren't evil. Just some of them.
@@vasubalakrishnan3958 I disagree, even when it's mutually beneficial for both players to make a draw, pre-arranging them is cheating (collusion) against other players in the field. It's same as if you agree to soft play with someone in a poker tournament final table, where you are three handed, it's good for two of you but bad for the other player. Imagine if top three Formula 1 racers agreed to drive side by side blocking the road for everyone behind them, and easily claiming top 3 spots, instead of having to compete for it and potentially dropping lower due to it. Pre-arranging the outcome of the game is almost as bad as computer cheating.
"He cannot just waltz over and checkmate me like that I'm a respected GM" KEKW SHAKH GIGACHAD
anish on a mission to take back the nr 1 spot in trash talking, go anish!
Great interview, chesswise I was always impressed by the accuracy of Anish Giri and although there's merit in what he says he's just being humble. Alireza also said: In the clutch seconds Anish plays pretty accurate. I think if he had the spirit/psychological strength of G. Kasparov he would convert far more games in to wins.
Very true. He himself said in one of Sagar's streams that what differentiates him from people like Magnus, apart from Magnus' genius, is his desire to reach the top and just be there.
Are you his brother? Hari giri
Well if everyone had the spirit of kasparov everyone would do better lol
Without Hans, we wouldn't even know what ACPL means. 🙂
what is acpl
@@youtubeisshit888 average centipawn loss
@@cyborg6282 or sometime worse 💀
everybody on lichess would
Hans makes chess world better
it's not only about pre-arranged draws but also selling games and loosing in purpose so other players can have higher places in tournament or gain some IM or GM norm
Loving your interviews, Anish! ❤️
It would actually be awesome to see David in the tournament. Ahead of time we should develop an AI voice of David, and have it comment on the show in real-time.
Love how fresh Anish looks. David H should play in one of these tournaments.
I love Anish!! such a nice guy :)
Exactly. Nice Guys don't win it all!!!
Goed bezig mijnheer Giri. Humor is niet alleen een maatvoering van intelligentie maar ook een uitstekende manier boven de huidige situatie te staan.
Beautiful interview
Poking vidit all the times 😂😂😂❤
No it was serious talk.
@@souravsingh5908 I was joking 😂
@@nicbentulan 0:41
@@nicbentulan How come you are not shitting on Magnus today? Is it because it's Sunday today?
Use the soccer system of 3 points for a win and 1 for a draw, everyone will stop playing for a draw
Great interview! It made me smile and laugh a lot 😂
what a good ass interview, man never disappoints
ACPL = Avg Centi-Pawn Loss
Legendary interview
Follow soccer and make it 1.5 for a win and 0.5 each for a draw and see what happens.
It's 1 for a win and 0.5 for a draw but yeah, that's a great way to think about it!
Maybe they should try -0.5 for a draw ^^ (or yeah... just 0)
pre arranged draws are the same as matchfixing. you can bet on chess games making prearranged not just wrong but a nearly criminal act.
What a great guy... honestly someone that would be really fun to spend an evening with.
Goed gedaan Anish.
when this guy speaks, everything else stops
Gorkhali Aaaayoooo !! Love from Nepal ❤
Only Gorkhali Shah is not Nepali. Limbu, Gurung, Magar, Madhesi are all Nepali too.
Anish full on trolling Hans
@@nicbentulan probably hans for cheating online many times
Saying that after the Shak defeat... Anish is pure class.
Anish's chess plays itself.
"Now you can just accuse each other and life is good" :D Until someone sues you for $100 million of course.
The amount of eidetic memory of GM is impressive.
4:10 🤣
Hans accent was on point
1:38
I'm a famous something legend
Anish plays so accurately. Very nice.
Do you upload video by yourself or do you have an editor?
Much respect for Anish's humility and humor at being on the receiving end of Shak's immortal. True class.
what a gem
Prearranging a draw is cheating in itself, like throwing a game in football.
Vidit and anish once upon a time agree draw
just wow, your videos are so good 🎉
I found this very entertaining.
Anish Giri is the best!
I mean Anish Giri is the master of draws, so he could tell if it was arranged between players
So we need centipawn loss differential statistic.
Magnus gets drunk and cheats right in front of cameras… he’s the last person that should be talking about Hans. What a joke!
The respected grand Master lost to Arjun..... Play some chess please.
That's a good narration for avg centipawn loss🤫.
Anish: "A draw is a draw is a draw."
Giri is one of my favorite players, and what a charismatic guy!
lol..yea..if you like false masculinity
i thought pre-arranged draws are accepted in chess? remember boncloud vs boncloud?
Americans are the worst at pre-arranging draws. Hikaru & Wesley do it often enough and others too
THE BEST interviews!!!
wait are gms not allowed to use stockfish before the game to prepare lines??
Is this channel still alive? 😂
this is the best interview!!!
"maybe some western players have done it" - I thought prearranging draws was what Soviet Russia player's were known for?
By done it, he means managing to have an entire chess carrer without prearranged draws
Brilliant interview 😂😂😂👍
I think we know now why anish has so many draws vs computers I mean his opponents
Anish is the expert on draws alright 😂
Anish was born looking like a father
What a relaxed and relatable dude
anish is the draw guy and never pre arranged it
...interesting interview
revealing too
thanks
wow
The Stats speaks for itself
The host is 90% teeth.
Abdu said it was his best game... What was the game?
The best
🤣🤣🤣 Anish is hilarious.
Cheating? Pre-Arranged draws? Sounds like Magic: The Gathering.
As for pre-arranged draws, he's the one that most suspected
Anish!
Pre-arranged draws are disgusting. Or are they?
I recall an article from a Dutch journalist (also a strong chess player), about 20 years ago. He participated in a tournament with many East-European players as well. And one offered him a pre-arranged draw. He refused, feeling rather proud of himself, showing those 'communists' the West really is not as corrupt as they thought. Then, after the game, one of the East-European players, a friend of his opponent, approached him, and told him he was a jerk, because his opponent needed the money (for shared third-pace, iirc), to survive and pay his rent.
The morale of this story? Sportsmanship is experienced differently in different places in the world.
No, that guy puts himself in that position. He could have worked a normal job without money needs.
If you replace chess with poker in your story, surely everybody would say it is his own fault. Because he decided to spend his money and time playing poker instead of working. This is the same in all sports. Cheating is cheating, you cannot budge on that.
It is basically the same in the Tour De France everybody was using Epo in the past to pay the rent but does that make it better.
@@bobbynygaardchrisitansen6874 That is because you immediately attach a Western judgement to it. I didn't. Nor did that journalist, for that matter.
It's sometimes refreshing, though, to see a different perspective. How things deemed 'honorable' in yoour country, can be seen entirely different in another part of the world.
@@sdtok527 That was the whole point of that journalist's story: how we, in the West, can afford the luxury of being of unshaken character, whereas for East-European chess-players of the era, sportmanship was more about 'helping each other survive.'
@@gladosadoree I think the story tells us how corruption is part of culture in some countries. If you agree with people to follow certain rules. In some cultures it is completely normal to bend or break them towards your favor in order to 'survive'.
Anish, such a sweet guy
How can they find that a player is cheating when they are playing from home?🧐
Online tournaments have anti cheating measures such as back camera access and screen sharing with the arbiter...
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Ag!
I wonder what Sopiko thought of that tongue in cheek to-and-fro between Kaja and Anish.
There's nothing wrong with pre-arranged draws. You can't police it coz then they'll play the game and threefold repetition and force the draw
J’accuse !
LOL
very medieval
Anish is the expert of drawing in chess, this will be good!
anish is the greatest isnt he
New fan