Rory - I hope you get to 1,000 subscribers soon. I think your content quality warrants more viewers in the coming days. Keep working hard, they will come. I always enjoy your videos and learn something new each time.
Good video. Lob shots have an 11% success rate so he is absolutely right. Also no “kitchen work”, 80% of your points should be scored in the kitchen area. If you can’t do a 3rd shot drop 80% of the time, you’ll never be a 3.5 player.
Great analysis once again Rory. I think you are starting to convince me that lobs are poor shot selections.....little by little. I am coming around to share your perspective having seen a number of your analysis videos so far. Thanks for covering 2.5 level play. It is obvious the strategy gaps with newer players. These guys will get much better if they watch this tutorial and start adjusting their tactics.
These videos are great! I have no idea my rank & assumed I was 2.5. After reviewing this, between strategy & skill, I feel I could definitely fall between 3.0-3.5 now. Thanks!
The only pace they had on their shots was when they were at the kitchen and then they did pretty well with the overhead smashes. I've taught some beginners who really are just trying to get the ball over the net and that is all. Its kind of like 4th grade volleyball where the goal is to just get the ball over the net. I think the 3rd shot drops were accidental and there were almost no third shot drives so if the go to shot is just to get it over the net where it mostly gets creamed then I can see why they panic lobbed a lot. Some also looked unintentional. If one team had done nothing but get to the net when the opportunity was there they would have won big. Great points about getting feet set and getting to the net but you also commented early on letting balls go out. With one of my groups that tend to bang more than finesse it often seems that the team that can simply keep themselves from hitting balls that are on their way out win most of their games. Hard to do especially in the fire fights. I hope they had fun. The ones that watched your video are definitely going to do better the next time out.
That was really good, thank you, from that I would say I was a 3, but for sure make mistakes that these guys were doing, but very informative, thanks again.
Rory - here’s an idea for you to consider: I’d love to watch a video of you analyzing a match where you are one of the players. Do you ever record your own match play?
Yes I do all the time, so I can see what I am doing wrong. The problem is, some of the guys I play with do not want to be on youtube. When I find players that are agreeing to, I will post.
I know they are only beginners, but the “refs are way too close to the net. Not like they can even ATP, but it’s a clear hindrance. Maybe it’s the golfer in me lmao. Thanks for another great video!
Rory I think you are applying 3.5 shot making/placement to players who have not reached that level yet. They are happy when they hit a ball that lands in the court. If they hit a drive or are able to hit an overhead smash from the NVZ then they are happy. At the 3.44 mark the player hit a backhand that sailed out. His reaction shows that he was just trying to get the paddle on the ball with out any concept of where it was going. Also notice none of them are really in any hurry to get anywhere on the court. I agree with you that none of them has taken any lessons. So they will keep playing at this level and having fun playing. If after a given amount of time they want to spend the extra big bucks to pay for lessons they will progress or the cheaper route is to keep playing and time on court will help them progress.
2.5 play is like the wild wild west. It's completely frustrating. In my opinion, if you are new to racket sports, don't drill and surround yourself with similar 2.5 players, it takes years to rise to 3.0, and it's not enjoyable. I've been there, done that. The biggest issue is that novice 2.5 players don't want to drill. Ugh 😕
This is a great example of the level of players i dislike playing with in rec setting. ALL of these pop up balls constantly getting slammed back at them, failure to play up, poor placement, no strategy at all, they haven't even made it to the kitchen during the whole match. They need practice indeed but on the court i hate getting a partner that plays like this.
While I appreciate your effort, you labeled the players but didn’t really use your labeling effectively. You used the arrow more but it got lost in translation. They All could’ve also held their paddles in ready position more also. Thanks again.
I personally hate doing lobs and agree they are probably not the best strategic hit, especially on the 3rd shot. I do know some players that execute lobs correctly and they do work though. Another note is that I see ZERO dinks! They need to learn that soft game
As a beginner PB player, I’ve been wondering at what level I’m playing. This vid gives me a good reference. Pretty sure Yellow Shirt was wearing Timberland boots. Perhaps they are trying to cash in on the popularity of the sport 😂
This is silly. Why would 2.5's need strategy? They are just trying to play and have fun. Do you know a 4.0 could make these same strategic errors and they'd crush these guys? There's a trajectory of technical skills and tactical skill development. You can't expect a 2.5 player to have 3.5 tactics. If they don't have the technical skill set, the tactical is limited.
Why is it annoying? They are fine for beginner players, but everything he points out are tactical tips that would help these players break out of that “beginner” level. These guys will have fun playing other beginners but will get owned once they start playing at a mid level player base unless they learn some strategy.
@@marybethfeulner3901I'm a beginner, who was recently playing with the best player at the gym. He asked if I was open to coaching and I said yes. He literally told me all the same things this guy is saying.
As you've pointed out in one of your others videos , all these mistakes are easily correctable . They have little or nothing to do with one's ability to hit the ball . They are nearly 100 % unforced MENTAL errors . And if you happen to have to play with them , and you dare to point out what they are doing wrong and how they can easily correct it , I've found that , most of the time , they get mad at you and refuse to be open to learning anything . But I tolerate them because we still need them in order for Pickle-Ball to remain politically popular .
Rory - I hope you get to 1,000 subscribers soon. I think your content quality warrants more viewers in the coming days. Keep working hard, they will come. I always enjoy your videos and learn something new each time.
Awesome! I'll eventually get there.
Good video. Lob shots have an 11% success rate so he is absolutely right. Also no “kitchen work”, 80% of your points should be scored in the kitchen area. If you can’t do a 3rd shot drop 80% of the time, you’ll never be a 3.5 player.
One of the requirements to be considered a 3.5 player is the ability to consistently hit a third shot drop. Thanks for watching.
Great analysis once again Rory. I think you are starting to convince me that lobs are poor shot selections.....little by little. I am coming around to share your perspective having seen a number of your analysis videos so far. Thanks for covering 2.5 level play. It is obvious the strategy gaps with newer players. These guys will get much better if they watch this tutorial and start adjusting their tactics.
Maybe they'll watch it. Who knows?
Lol, you can use lob offensively, just has to know the timing and positioning of your opponents
if you suck at lobbing it prob will not work
Excellent explanation. Great work.
Thanks for watching and thanks for the nice compliment. Tell one of your pickleball buddies.
These videos are great! I have no idea my rank & assumed I was 2.5. After reviewing this, between strategy & skill, I feel I could definitely fall between 3.0-3.5 now. Thanks!
You're welcome! Thanks for watching.
The only pace they had on their shots was when they were at the kitchen and then they did pretty well with the overhead smashes. I've taught some beginners who really are just trying to get the ball over the net and that is all. Its kind of like 4th grade volleyball where the goal is to just get the ball over the net. I think the 3rd shot drops were accidental and there were almost no third shot drives so if the go to shot is just to get it over the net where it mostly gets creamed then I can see why they panic lobbed a lot. Some also looked unintentional. If one team had done nothing but get to the net when the opportunity was there they would have won big. Great points about getting feet set and getting to the net but you also commented early on letting balls go out. With one of my groups that tend to bang more than finesse it often seems that the team that can simply keep themselves from hitting balls that are on their way out win most of their games. Hard to do especially in the fire fights. I hope they had fun. The ones that watched your video are definitely going to do better the next time out.
Thanks for the nice comments. You made some very, very valid points.
That was really good, thank you, from that I would say I was a 3, but for sure make mistakes that these guys were doing, but very informative, thanks again.
You're more than welcome! Thanks for watching.
Rory - here’s an idea for you to consider: I’d love to watch a video of you analyzing a match where you are one of the players.
Do you ever record your own match play?
Yes I do all the time, so I can see what I am doing wrong. The problem is, some of the guys I play with do not want to be on youtube. When I find players that are agreeing to, I will post.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787stop it, you can’t find anyone in your circles that would agree to it ? Just be honest with everyone and say the truth.
I think what you are calling failed lobs were not intended as lobs, just poorly hit balls. They were both popped up and hit too hard.
Could be. Thanks for watching.
Great explanations on strategy.
Thanks for watching.
I know they are only beginners, but the “refs are way too close to the net. Not like they can even ATP, but it’s a clear hindrance. Maybe it’s the golfer in me lmao. Thanks for another great video!
You're welcome. I did really notice that. Nice catch.
Rory I think you are applying 3.5 shot making/placement to players who have not reached that level yet. They are happy when they hit a ball that lands in the court. If they hit a drive or are able to hit an overhead smash from the NVZ then they are happy. At the 3.44 mark the player hit a backhand that sailed out. His reaction shows that he was just trying to get the paddle on the ball with out any concept of where it was going. Also notice none of them are really in any hurry to get anywhere on the court. I agree with you that none of them has taken any lessons. So they will keep playing at this level and having fun playing. If after a given amount of time they want to spend the extra big bucks to pay for lessons they will progress or the cheaper route is to keep playing and time on court will help them progress.
Thanks for your comments. That was one of my earlier videos. I appreciate you watching.
Great video
Thanks very glad you like it.
2.5 play is like the wild wild west. It's completely frustrating. In my opinion, if you are new to racket sports, don't drill and surround yourself with similar 2.5 players, it takes years to rise to 3.0, and it's not enjoyable. I've been there, done that. The biggest issue is that novice 2.5 players don't want to drill. Ugh 😕
That's true. They only want to play. Thanks for watching.
This is a great example of the level of players i dislike playing with in rec setting. ALL of these pop up balls constantly getting slammed back at them, failure to play up, poor placement, no strategy at all, they haven't even made it to the kitchen during the whole match. They need practice indeed but on the court i hate getting a partner that plays like this.
Me, too. That's why in rec play, when I have to put my paddle up, I'm kind of careful as to who I put it up with. Thanks for watching.
Hope these guys will watch some videos of the pros and take lessons
Lessons are a good idea. Thanks for watching.
What are those two guys standing next to the net doing? If they didn't call out step into the kitchen.
Thanks for watching.
While I appreciate your effort, you labeled the players but didn’t really use your labeling effectively. You used the arrow more but it got lost in translation. They All could’ve also held their paddles in ready position more also. Thanks again.
Thanks. I'll try to do better next time. Good point on paddles not being in position.
I personally hate doing lobs and agree they are probably not the best strategic hit, especially on the 3rd shot. I do know some players that execute lobs correctly and they do work though. Another note is that I see ZERO dinks! They need to learn that soft game
Good point. Learn the soft game and you'll be more successful. Thanks for watching.
How about trying not to get worked up on your skill rank and focus on improving your game one session at a time😅 just my two cents
Thanks. This is one of my earliest videos. I have gotten better. I appreciate you watching.
As a beginner PB player, I’ve been wondering at what level I’m playing. This vid gives me a good reference.
Pretty sure Yellow Shirt was wearing Timberland boots. Perhaps they are trying to cash in on the popularity of the sport 😂
Thanks for watching. I did not notice that! Nice catch. If they are Timberland boots, obviously, he's not serious about pickleball.
This is silly. Why would 2.5's need strategy? They are just trying to play and have fun. Do you know a 4.0 could make these same strategic errors and they'd crush these guys? There's a trajectory of technical skills and tactical skill development. You can't expect a 2.5 player to have 3.5 tactics. If they don't have the technical skill set, the tactical is limited.
Good points. Thanks for watching.
This is annoying. They're fine players.
Why is it annoying? They are fine for beginner players, but everything he points out are tactical tips that would help these players break out of that “beginner” level. These guys will have fun playing other beginners but will get owned once they start playing at a mid level player base unless they learn some strategy.
@@marybethfeulner3901I'm a beginner, who was recently playing with the best player at the gym. He asked if I was open to coaching and I said yes. He literally told me all the same things this guy is saying.
Not gonna lie, Reebok looks miserable to play with
Thanks for watching.
As you've pointed out in one of your others videos , all these mistakes are easily correctable . They have little or nothing to do with one's ability to hit the ball . They are nearly 100 % unforced MENTAL errors . And if you happen to have to play with them , and you dare to point out what they are doing wrong and how they can easily correct it , I've found that , most of the time , they get mad at you and refuse to be open to learning anything . But I tolerate them because we still need them in order for Pickle-Ball to remain politically popular .
Some place take instruction, some players don't.
@okcsports
Thanks for watching.