To be blunt, Daret coached France since 2017 with little improvement until du Ponte came on. It's very hard to argue the biggest factor wasn't du Ponte's brilliance. Doesn't mean the coaching wasn't excellent, but this just doesn't pass the sniff test for me. That said, none of this really matters, and everyone that got an award was deserving. Some may just have been more deserving.
PSdT's performance in the world cup final has to be one of the best games played by any player ever. I wouldn't be surprised if Jodie Barrett still gets twitchy anytime he sees something move in his peripheral vision because it might just be Du Toit.
I understand your argument about Coach of the year gentlemen but it is nullified by the 2023 coach of the year award. These inconsistencies just make it impossible to know what’s good enough to win coach of the year.
As a French fan, surprised to see Daret winning the manager award as Dupont was his X-factor and Erasmus is the main reason there were 3 boks for the XV player award. Anyway, these WR awards are weird and blur in their criterias. Are we rewarding the Tests vs Clubs perfs? Stats or feelings? Complete season vs few matchs? Regularity or flashes of talent? Ps: Gutted for Kolbe.
Ox Nche has been the most devastating loosehead scrummager that we've seen in a long, long time. It used to be that he would come on as bomb squad replacement for Kitshoff and therefore be scrumming against either tired or poor tightheads. Well, since Kitshoff went away with injury (also, get well soon, Kitsie!!) Ox has been out frontline loosehead and ... He pretty much destroyed everything in his path. How he has not even received a nomination is beyond me. World Rugby has never ever even nominated a prop to WPOTY and I think this is a disgusting undermining tactic. I'm very proud of PSDT winning the award and with two of these awards, plus two world cups to his name and a B&I Lions tour victory, that puts him firmly into GOAT contention. But I still would have picked Ox.
@@WolfgangCola That would be a sad end. If it does mean the end of his career though, the Spicy Plum will go down in history as one of the greatest looseheads ever. But! There might still be hope for our favourite Ginger
I'd have to disagree with you. Is Ox the best prop this year? Probably. But he only averaged 52 minutes/game for the Boks this year. It sucks for props but unless you play at least 75-80% of the games your play in, I don't think you should be considered
@@omerdvir1709 I think it's like an unwritten requirement in a way. If you look at any South Africa game, 9/10 PSDT will have a greater impact on the game simply due to him playing 30 more minutes every game than Ox. Ox definitely deserves his praise, and maybe it's the nature of the sport today or the fact that the Boks have the bomb squad. When they have their 7-1 bench split, it's PSDT who stays on the pitch. It hurts any props chances of getting player of the year
Three issues with coach of the year. One, why were the Fijian coaches never awarded for their back to back Olympics golds? If winning A major tournament is the standard ... Then why didn't Nienarber get it in 2023? But rather WR gave it to a coach that could not get his team past the knock out stages at the world cup! Makes no sense! Second, why combine 7 and 15 coach of the years, where all the other categories they are separate? Three, there has to be metric to measure these awards, not just subjective "gut feel" ... Like the best coach, base it on the win to loss ratio in that year! That way tier 2 nations with a great win/loose ratios can feature!
Any predetermined metric would be unfair. The red roses went undefeated this year, but John Mitchell probably doesn’t deserve coach of the year for taking a dominant team and keeping them dominant
Taking a dominant team with a huge player base and keeping them dominant just isn’t that much of a noteworthy achievement. Rassie has already won coach of the year. If he really wants it again, he can move to a different team and show he can take, say, Wales and transform their fortunes. That’s the sort of achievement that would definitely deserve coach of the year.
@@Zveebo I think you’re really underselling what Rassie has done this year. He’s used over 50 players this year, making multiple changes per game while staying dominant. They are trying new things every game. Some of those line out moves during the rugby championship shocked me. I’m not South African but I can understand why they think Rassie deserved the award.
@Zveebo aaaaah your assumption was that I want Rassie to be coach of the year, that's funny ... Peter Benade, the Zimbabwean 15s coach that got the Zim team at the end of last year, he went the year unbeaten and picked up the Africa cup. But since you brought up Rassie! ...
Exactly, if you think about it hypothetically, they make a dream 15 for the year, and then pick the best coach, logically the coach in a hypothetical world is coaching that Dream 15, so how can it be a Sevens coach?
Weird that the Saffas suddenly want that this year of all years 😂 In a case, even on that basis, Rassie wouldn’t have deserved the award. Just keeping a dominant team with a huge player base dominant isn’t in itself an awards-worthy performance (and if it was, the England women’s coach would get it)
@ Nonsense. Who built that big player base? Rassie. The Boks haven’t won the Rugby Championship since 2019, and it was their highest win percentage year outside of a WC year for over 25 years. It was the the first time they won the Freedom Cup for the first time since 2009. They won all the games they did while using 51 players. They lost by 1 point to a last second drop goal, and lost by one point to Argentina while playing a team of 2nd and 3rd string players. COACH OF THE YEAR. The France Sevens coach finished 5th in the Sevens Series table, and won a gold men in a home tournament.
Question about naming someone as best player overall (men and women): how do you determine that? How do you compare Ellie Kildunne to PSDT for example?
Eben is so overrated. Eben vs Ardie 2023 WC: Tackles: 51 - 56 Carries: 14 - 55 Meters: 39 - 297 Meters/Carry: 2.8 - 5.4 Defenders Beat: 3 - 27 And so on. Ardie was a monster last year, carried through ABs to the final.
@@zachb1706yeah savea is a loose forwards. Stats wil be diffrent hahah and he is a 8 so he wil carry more and beat deffence more. I would have given it to eben to be honest. Savea should have won it in 2022 not 23
@ if you compare to other locks, Etzebeth’s stats aren’t very amazing. But stats are rubbish. If you watched Ardie that World Cup and the games before you’d see he was immense. He had a way bigger impact on the ABs that Etzebeth had on the Boks. Well deserved his POTY
Would whats his face win coach of the year if Dupont didn't play 7s this year? Of course not. Your mental gymnastics to justify it is a little over the top.
In one section you compare du pont going to 7s as messi going to futsal, now you're basically sayimg the futsal manager won football manager of the year. i struggle to understand this argument.
@@johankotze727 That is the best explanation I can imagine though. I love SVNS, it's a fun sport and all, but let's not pretend that it's Cheslin Kolbe and Ardie Savea who play in those comps these days.
The argument I would have and Daret has been the coach for the French 7s team since 2017. The big change this year was the inclusion of DuPont. If you look at the winner of coach of the year Jacque Nienaber didn’t win in a year when he won a World Cup?
Du pont played 2 tournaments, what about all the 7s players who played 12 months onntour for f all salary ?? Undermines all other 7s players who dedicate their lives for no money, is it best player or best impact player?
To all you whinging Saffers. The French coach deserved the title of Coach of the Year. He took a side rated No. 1 in the world to No. 4 in the world despite having amazing depth of talent. It takes exceptional skill as a coach to do that. If only Foster was on the same short list....
I totally misunderstood your comment at first 😂 yeah, the same thing is happening to the French as it is to the All Blacks. Referees are finally penalising both teams properly whose games have relied heavily on foul play before.
I honestly don't see how you want Etzebeth to have won for his legacy etc, but then Daret wins one Olympic gold and then he's the best coach of the year. Sorry, I enjoy your analysis, but Rassie deserved it a helluva lot more than Daret... not that Rassie really cares, but give credit where credit is due. He has been the best coach in the world this year and over the last 6 years you could argue. Took a team from nowhere in 2018 to winning a world cup in the next 18 months. By your logic with Daret, he should have won that year then at least.... That's a legacy that will be hard to top, not Daret.
The mental gymnastics you guys have to do to justify Daret's Coach of the Year award is astounding! Rassie played more than 50 players throughout the year and his only two losses were with 1 point. Bearing in mind that he has a new attack coach and a new defense coach. That's just amazing!
Dupont rightly won 7s Player of the Year because he single-handedly lifted a team with a mediocre coach who achieved nothing since 2017. Which is why it's absolutely batshit insane and a fucking joke that Rassie didn't win. It is a fucking conspiracy.
A conspiracy against SA ? with the "help" rhey had during WC it's hilarious, but I do agree that Rassie probably deserved it better, but hey, they should have two distinctions, for 7 and XV anyway.
Why would Rassie win rather than English women’s coach, who has a 100% record and the highest World Rankings points in history? That’s makes no sense. If all you need to do to win is have a dominant team and keep it dominant, John Mitchell would be a waaaay ahead of Rassie.
@@Zveebo John Mitchell would also have made sense, but he would have made sense over Andy Farrell last year as well. I can only surmise that it's far harder to be dominant in the men's game because it has been developed so much more, and that's why they give it to men's coaches. It should have been either Rassie or Mitchell, though.
So France won the 7's because Dupont is so wonderful....it was all him on his own right? So why does the France 7's coach gets coach of the year? His team was losing and only won because of Dupont right? Wonderful French charity work by World Rugby.
Du Pont only made a big impact because of who he is, everyone had their eyes on him as to how he would perform instead of looking at others as well. Couch of the year and 7's player of the year is just World Rugby being sour puss and ignores what Rassie gas been doing, winning every single trophy available this year 19:19
What did Rassie do? Win the Qatar Airways Cup??? Ffs. If Rassie wants to win the award again, he can go to another team and show he can take a squad from nowhere to champions, absent the massive player base in South Africa. Wales, for instance 👍
@@Zveebo he did that in 2018 and one year later was winning the WC. The massive pool of players is thanks to Rassie and his systems. This year he has won every trophy he possibly could and has the best win ratio of any team while playing 51 players!!! He doesn’t need to go to Wales or anywhere else. This is his home
Fun Fact about JVDF - His family are actually Dutch/Irish - His grandparents were Dutch and moved to Ireland in the 50s. No SA connection there at all.
You guys are usually so much more astute than this. That Muppet has been the coach of the French 7s team since 2017. So all the mediocrity and failure you mentioned, such as not qualifying for the 2020 games and never winning a tournament, has been on his watch. I guess something changed this year...I wonder what it could have been? Seriously, guys, the success of the French 7s team is 100% due to Dupont. This coach had zero to do with it, and it will play out this year when France go back to their norm. World Rugby made a travesty out of this award. You guys are usually better than this. Dubai this weekend. Let's see if France gets out of the group stage.
As much as I love PSDT, Ox Nche should have won Player of the Year this year. Like come on, tell me what physically more could ANY Prop ever do to get the award, or hell, even just a Nomination, than what Ox has done this year, and getting multiple Man of the Match awards because of how he played and his impact. Quite frankly, I don't think World Rugby is every going to give any prop the award ever, and it's purely down to how much World Rugby just hates the scrum for some unknown reason, despite it being a core integral part of Rugby Union. On the 7s front, Dupont is MUCH more worthy of getting the 7s World Player of the Year award, than the coach was. The Coach had no business getting the Coach of the Year award or even getting anywhere close to that award, because the 7s team's win was PURELY down to Dupont and the impact he had on the 7s team. The Best credit the Coach can get was his decision to get Dupont on the team, but that's basically it. He had no business getting that Coach of the Year award.
Rassie and Eben being overlooked might just keep them hungry to prove a point. I am not sure if Eben can maintain another 1 or 2 years to come in contention again? We also don't know the selection criteria that may change as panelist comes and go; On 2024 performance alone PSDT; ADD leadership then Eben is for sure the most valuable POTY.
Also not sure if Eben can manage at this rate for another year. I am sure he will still give it his all. But it is sad really. He should have got it in 2023.
Agree, did he win because of his coaching or because of the player (s) available to him. How long has he been a coach, if he cannot maintain this standard and improve on it in the coming season, then we need a refund!
The issue I have is coach of the year. Giving it to a coach who has been poor since 2017 and only won because Dupont joined his team. Rassie and Nienaber have been subbed for several awards. Be sure, it will feature in Chasing the Sun 3 for sure!
Dupont winning is disrespectful to all other full-time 7s players, including his teammates. And please understand, AD is one of the best in XV, and will probably go down as a Top 3 in his position, but playing 20 minutes in TOTAL, throughout the entire 7's season is simply... not enough. I think there should be a required minimum of minutes played to be eligible to win individual awards, like the NBA does with its 65-game min. for MVP, DPOY, etc.
Don't agree that there is no weakness in Kildunne's game. Her defence isn't great and neither is her distribution. When the pressure is on, which let's be honest is very rare when England are playing, she's looks pretty ordinary. My first name on the sheet would always be Abby Dow. Or Zoe Aldcroft. Or Alex Matthews. Quite a contrary view I know.
There’s a long tradition of World Rugby shafting South Africa at these awards: - Fourie du Preez should’ve won in 2009 (Irish fans could feel just as aggrieved about BoD). - Kurt-Lee Arendse should’ve won breakout player of the year in 2022: scored seven tries in seven tests against all of the top teams. - Jacques Nienaber should’ve won coach of the year in 2023. - The World XV last year was an absolute joke. Just one Springbok in the entire squad? - And yes, Rassie should’ve won coach of the year this year. Who else has innovated and advanced the game more this year? Who else has maintained an 85% winrate with an average of 13 changes every game, won literally every trophy on offer, and evolved an already imperious team to new levels? No one.
Let's talk about 2009. So the Bulls won the Super XIV by absolutely destroying the Chiefs. In the Rugby Championship, South Africa whitewashed New Zealand, 3 games to nil. One in NZ, two in South Africa. World player of the year? McCaw. Absolute BS
@jacquescoetzee47 Oh snap! I completely forgot about that BIL series! I'm a huge fan of McCaw, he is on my GOAT list, I respect the hell out of him, but him getting that award in 2009 was absolutely horseshit.
South Africans definitely would win whiners of the year, that’s for sure. FFS guys learn to be less bad winner. The only trophy of note Rassie has won this year is the Qatar Airways Cup. Taking the best team in the world and keeping it the best team in the world, with the biggest player base in the world to draw from is not some amazing coaching achievement. He did nothing particularly of note this year. Others did - they rightly won.
Dupont 7s player of year is a total insult.. played very limited tournaments mainly not as a starter.. it's tho they needed to find a medal for him.. yes won a olympic title but not just because of him.. Argentina win a maiden world series title and they didn't win as player or coach of year..
Not a conspiracy against SA Rugby..That's not what is being said .. Conspiracy against prop forwards ? Absolutely... Unfortunately I cannot comment on Woman's Rugby awards .I don't watch it ..As far as Rassie goes ..Whole world knows he is the best coach in the sport...Except so called World Rugby .
Lads, love the channel, love your analysis, love listening to the pair of you chat BUT Rassie not having won coach or the year is almost as infuritating as Bill Sweeneys salary announcement. I say this as a hurt objective Englishman
How good is Beauden Barrett nowadays? Haven’t followed rugby too much apart from six nations and world cups, but in 2016 he was my favourite player. Just curious where he ranks as a 10/15 in 2024?
How can anybody with any logic say Dupont is the single best player in the world? Can he scrum? Can he jump in the lineout? Can he reach the top shelf in the store? You can at most say he is the best 9 in the world, but no single person can be the best rugby player in the world.
@@libertyavalanche and when last was a prop that dominant in a season? Ox has world class ... To your point, a prop has never been nominated let alone winning it!
Ox getting the nod would have sent a strong message to the young front rowers, showing them that they too can recognised as superstars in rugby union. That's not to take away from an equally as deserving PSDT.
So France’s 7s coach deserved to win it simply because he managed to sign Du Pont? What?? They played Du Pont (which was given as the reason for them winning in this video) and played in front of a very passionate home crowd…that changes everything! Was the coach that great for these reasons?
About Rassie, clearly a great manager, maybe voters remebered how he talked about the refs not going his way not so long ago. I reckon he's pushed the limits way too far there
I think Alex Matthews was better than Kildunne, especially showing any time England faced good teams (France, Canada, New Zealand) where the England forwards and Matthews in particular were far more crucial than Kildunne. I won't deny Kildunne crucifies weaker teams, but she's a bit "win more" in those fixtures for me.
1st you say depont deserves because without him they wouldn’t have won the Olympics then you go on to say a coach that’s been there since 2017 changed the team to win the Olympics. Which one is it? Nobody even knew that coaches name before Sunday
I don't think Coach of the Year should be based on a turnaround from previous years. Rassie is an even better coach now than when he won the award five years ago. I don't think one can compare 7s tournaments to a 15s World Cup or the Rugby Championship, either. I agree that Rassie probably doesn't care though.
Nothing unusual. Sprinboks getting shafted yet again. A team that has been lauded by many since 2018, and so few players and coaches get the recognition they deserve. Maar, wat kan ek sê? Hulle weet nie wat ons weet nie. (Yes I am salty that they don’t get all the awards)
What I dislike is the logic of Dupont: he won 7s player of the year because of his impact, with the recognition that France wete a middling team without him. However, they won't award Rassie coach pf the year, despite winning a world cup with a team that was nowhere just a year prior to that. So winning a world cup didn't matter. THEN you have them this year awarding the French coach the award for having so-so results throughout the year but he won the world cup so 🤷. So winning an Olympic gold trumps everything I guess. Then you award Farrel coach of the year despite him losing two tests and getting eliminated in a quarterfinal, but Rassie has a similar record plus winning every trophy available and yet they award it to Daret. So in totality, Springbok fans do have a point pointing out bias because trophies 🏆 simultaneously mean everything and nothing depending on who won them
@@MorrisdeSaucer okay, you think we're just moaning. That's fine. If you think we don't have a case, then I'd like to bring your attention to the Year of Our Lord, 2009. The Bulls won Super Rugby that year, beating the Chiefs in the final by 61-17 or something. The Springboks had a British and Irish Lions tour, which they won 2 games to 1. They then went onto the Tri Nations (the precursor to the Rugby Championship) and won it really convincingly, whitewashing New Zealand 3 games to nil. World Player Of The Year for 2009? Richie McCaw. If you think we are just salty, please explain him winning that award in that year.
Meh... who cares. Winning is better than being "awarded"... awards are purely subjective and often down to a popularity contest. When you win it, no one can deny you it...🇿🇦✌🏾 Saffas, let's get over them snubbing Rassie - oksalayo we're the wen kants! 😂😂
6 Nations and Rugby Championships are hands down bigger, more important competitions than the Olympic sevens...which is what, a 2 day tournament? I didn't even know the sevens was on until the semi finals...and I watched 2 minutes. Sevens (and women's rugby) should 1000% have separate coaching awards. Combining them just robs every deserving person of their flowers imho
@@TheMintedAero1993 True. I would think that's due to fitness levels, or more accurately, the difference in fitness required between 7's and 15's. In the XV game, the hits are way harder, but you get to conserve energy for the largest part of the game to hopefully release it in some kind of satanic fury when you make a break. You can't play flat out, you have to conserve energy. In Sevens, it's basically a sprint for a short period of time, two or maybe three times a day.
Dupont played what? 2 or 3 7s games and wins 7s player of the year. Their coach is someone no-one knows and he is coach of the year. Okay. Good way to reward those full-time 7s players I guess. What happened to team of the year. Just disappeared quietly.
he played 4 tournaments (counting the olympics), 1st one: bronze, 2nd and 3rd: gold, Olympics : Gold. Before Dupont came in 7 France did not win a tournament for a long time. I'm pretty sure he is the player who had the most impact on 7 this year. If you disagree, which can be understood, try at least to do it honestly
@erickdavid2412 it's Dupont one word. I do not have a strong opinion on the coach award, maybe it's because he managed to include Dupont and made him effective but yeah its debatable. But my life do not depends on it I honestly do not care really much who wins such award.
Well Kolbe, Habana, SBW, Keynan… all tried to switch from 7 to 15 and were average/good. Dupont came in a French team that without him did not win a tournament since 2005 With him, in 4 tournaments, 1 silver and 3 gold, including WC and the Olympics. And he was decisive in all tournaments (vs Ireland, GB and Fidji to name a few important games across 3 tournaments) And all that while winning Top 14 and Champions Cup the same year, finishing player of the year in both competitions and MOTM of the 3 finals he played. Overrated you say ? Can you name one player that deserves it more in 7 2024, and why ?
Guys, don't try roasting people. It's not your thing, and it's cringe. Squidge: Your biggest problem as a rugby personality is that you need to remember the position in which you specialise.
It's definitely cringe but Saffas are going to come out fighting if we feel that we've been wronged. Our team gets way mire flack than any other...guaranteed.
You made a great example of Messi playing for whatever you called it. fussball. Now am sure there has been many great achievements by coaches in fussball. but never do we compare it to the 11 aside of football. the impact just cannot be comared. think about it. how many nations beside france had their best player playing for them in Sevens. no wonder they won then. it was not the coach. he has been there for a while. its the players that came in for a short while like dupont that made the team strong. as for Rassie in 2017. He inherited the same players who had been beaten by record scores previously and turned them to world champions. this is simply wrong in all levels of considerations. there is no excuse for it and no justifying it at all
Frances 7th team not top of rankings and has never been since 2017 when Jerome Daret started coaching Frances 7th. A Dupont won the Olympic title for them, not Daret !!! Coming season with Dupont out Frances 7th team will be a lot worse. Pathetic logic !
I cant believe I'm saying this but I think you are uderestimating DuPont by defending the French 7s coach. Rassie should have won it. The best sevens coach this year has been Santiago Gomez Cora, they were the best and most interesting team of the series. They introduced the championship tournament this year and Argentina lost to Dupont's France but any other year they would have been series champions. And in the olympics they also lost to Dupont, who I think despite the few games he player in sevens deserved to be named best player.
The funny things about all the Saffas playing victims in the comments on social media is that you know if France had not won the gold medal, they would have destroyed the guy painting him as a mediocre player. They cannot bear Dupont success they cannot replicate, he lives rent free in their heads, it is weird really. Kudos for PSDT for winning a second award, he is a beast.
What shite are you talking mate!?!?! "Success they cannot replicate?" Please elaborate on this as I'm sure the Boks are successful as a team..... not so? Lives rent free.......15 October 2023.😉
Sounds like copium to me. Most South Africans aren't say Dupont doesn't deserve it, just that the Bokke are underrepresented in international awards in general.
Squidge has moved of from shoving Dupont down everybody's throat as the supposed best player in the world to now saying a women is the best player in the world. Ellie has been awsome and is the single most talented female player I've ever seen but call a spade a fucking spade. Best women's player to ever play by far but she wouldent even start for a tier 2 men's club Listen Ellies been awesome and completely deserved the award. Best female player to probably ever play but she is simply not the best player in the world and never will be. A male player will win a head on head every single time barely even trying. We don't have a direct comparison in rugby but need I remind you of the Australian u16 boys soccer team beating the national women's team and it wasn't close, the golden oldies team of retired men whooping a professional women's team by 16 goals and a top 10 women's tennis player saying she'd beat the top men easily just to get whooped by a guy barely in the top 150 in the world
Biggest question is why are all the awards split into 15s/7s and Men/Women, but coach of the year is just all together🤔
@TheMatthewLoder Exactly. We have a situation where the world coach of the year cannot coach the world team of the year
To be blunt, Daret coached France since 2017 with little improvement until du Ponte came on. It's very hard to argue the biggest factor wasn't du Ponte's brilliance. Doesn't mean the coaching wasn't excellent, but this just doesn't pass the sniff test for me. That said, none of this really matters, and everyone that got an award was deserving. Some may just have been more deserving.
It does give me Bill Belichick with Tom Brady vibes
There we go, there is the whole argument. It’s really not about DuPont. In fact, it just shows he deserves it more. But that coach award 😂
And here I am googling "du Ponte", thinking he was some guy in the french 7 staff..
@@thibautmerlin2376 mate, no one cares for pedantry of this kind. It's perfectly clear who I was referring to.
@@bobo707007calm down 🤣🤣 I think he was just making fun of himself no need to be that sensitive
PSdT's performance in the world cup final has to be one of the best games played by any player ever. I wouldn't be surprised if Jodie Barrett still gets twitchy anytime he sees something move in his peripheral vision because it might just be Du Toit.
@@theoneandonlyAeth I put the move by Jordie going to the URC instead of Japanese rugby league down to the Fact that PSDT is in Japan!
Best sevens player should have been Ox Nche. Woke robbery nonsense
Ox who ? How is Dupont's award "woke"? South Africans are hilarious 😂
@@themisterdoggy That joke just went straight over your head, didn't it?
@@themisterdoggyhe should have won couch of the year he was thinking of couching too.
Man played some games and wins. What about the other players.
Clown
Lol 😅
I understand your argument about Coach of the year gentlemen but it is nullified by the 2023 coach of the year award. These inconsistencies just make it impossible to know what’s good enough to win coach of the year.
As a French fan, surprised to see Daret winning the manager award as Dupont was his X-factor and Erasmus is the main reason there were 3 boks for the XV player award. Anyway, these WR awards are weird and blur in their criterias. Are we rewarding the Tests vs Clubs perfs? Stats or feelings? Complete season vs few matchs? Regularity or flashes of talent? Ps: Gutted for Kolbe.
The real test of the French coach is to see if the team can keep it up once Du Pont leaves.
Ox Nche has been the most devastating loosehead scrummager that we've seen in a long, long time. It used to be that he would come on as bomb squad replacement for Kitshoff and therefore be scrumming against either tired or poor tightheads. Well, since Kitshoff went away with injury (also, get well soon, Kitsie!!) Ox has been out frontline loosehead and ... He pretty much destroyed everything in his path.
How he has not even received a nomination is beyond me. World Rugby has never ever even nominated a prop to WPOTY and I think this is a disgusting undermining tactic.
I'm very proud of PSDT winning the award and with two of these awards, plus two world cups to his name and a B&I Lions tour victory, that puts him firmly into GOAT contention.
But I still would have picked Ox.
Here to agree with you and say I think Kitshoff had some nasty sounding surgery on his neck. This might be the last we’ll see of him. :(
@@WolfgangCola That would be a sad end. If it does mean the end of his career though, the Spicy Plum will go down in history as one of the greatest looseheads ever.
But! There might still be hope for our favourite Ginger
I'd have to disagree with you. Is Ox the best prop this year? Probably. But he only averaged 52 minutes/game for the Boks this year. It sucks for props but unless you play at least 75-80% of the games your play in, I don't think you should be considered
@@Slickrick1014 Why not though? Its not a requirement and hes made an awesome impression whike hes been on
@@omerdvir1709 I think it's like an unwritten requirement in a way. If you look at any South Africa game, 9/10 PSDT will have a greater impact on the game simply due to him playing 30 more minutes every game than Ox. Ox definitely deserves his praise, and maybe it's the nature of the sport today or the fact that the Boks have the bomb squad. When they have their 7-1 bench split, it's PSDT who stays on the pitch. It hurts any props chances of getting player of the year
PSDT-800. A real life terminator sent from the future to win man of the match every game he plays
Three issues with coach of the year.
One, why were the Fijian coaches never awarded for their back to back Olympics golds? If winning
A major tournament is the standard ... Then why didn't Nienarber get it in 2023? But rather WR gave it to a coach that could not get his team past the knock out stages at the world cup! Makes no sense!
Second, why combine 7 and 15 coach of the years, where all the other categories they are separate?
Three, there has to be metric to measure these awards, not just subjective "gut feel" ... Like the best coach, base it on the win to loss ratio in that year! That way tier 2 nations with a great win/loose ratios can feature!
Any predetermined metric would be unfair. The red roses went undefeated this year, but John Mitchell probably doesn’t deserve coach of the year for taking a dominant team and keeping them dominant
@baileyelson4008 or Piet Benade from Zimbabwe that also had an unbeaten year, but both these coaches were not even in the conversation
Taking a dominant team with a huge player base and keeping them dominant just isn’t that much of a noteworthy achievement.
Rassie has already won coach of the year. If he really wants it again, he can move to a different team and show he can take, say, Wales and transform their fortunes. That’s the sort of achievement that would definitely deserve coach of the year.
@@Zveebo I think you’re really underselling what Rassie has done this year.
He’s used over 50 players this year, making multiple changes per game while staying dominant.
They are trying new things every game. Some of those line out moves during the rugby championship shocked me.
I’m not South African but I can understand why they think Rassie deserved the award.
@Zveebo aaaaah your assumption was that I want Rassie to be coach of the year, that's funny ...
Peter Benade, the Zimbabwean 15s coach that got the Zim team at the end of last year, he went the year unbeaten and picked up the Africa cup.
But since you brought up Rassie! ...
I feel that there should be separate award for the couches of the 7's and the 15's. Just like they do with the players
Exactly, if you think about it hypothetically, they make a dream 15 for the year, and then pick the best coach, logically the coach in a hypothetical world is coaching that Dream 15, so how can it be a Sevens coach?
Weird that the Saffas suddenly want that this year of all years 😂
In a case, even on that basis, Rassie wouldn’t have deserved the award. Just keeping a dominant team with a huge player base dominant isn’t in itself an awards-worthy performance (and if it was, the England women’s coach would get it)
@ Nonsense. Who built that big player base? Rassie. The Boks haven’t won the Rugby Championship since 2019, and it was their highest win percentage year outside of a WC year for over 25 years. It was the the first time they won the Freedom Cup for the first time since 2009.
They won all the games they did while using 51 players. They lost by 1 point to a last second drop goal, and lost by one point to Argentina while playing a team of 2nd and 3rd string players. COACH OF THE YEAR. The France Sevens coach finished 5th in the Sevens Series table, and won a gold men in a home tournament.
Question about naming someone as best player overall (men and women): how do you determine that? How do you compare Ellie Kildunne to PSDT for example?
Eben should have won it in 2023.
PSDT total effort in 2024 is on a total different level to anyone else.
Multiple positions, multiple tasks.
Insanity.
Eben is so overrated.
Eben vs Ardie 2023 WC:
Tackles: 51 - 56
Carries: 14 - 55
Meters: 39 - 297
Meters/Carry: 2.8 - 5.4
Defenders Beat: 3 - 27
And so on. Ardie was a monster last year, carried through ABs to the final.
@@zachb1706Eben world cups 2!
@@zachb1706yeah savea is a loose forwards. Stats wil be diffrent hahah and he is a 8 so he wil carry more and beat deffence more.
I would have given it to eben to be honest. Savea should have won it in 2022 not 23
@@zachb1706how do compare a loose forward’s stats to that of a lock??
@ if you compare to other locks, Etzebeth’s stats aren’t very amazing.
But stats are rubbish. If you watched Ardie that World Cup and the games before you’d see he was immense. He had a way bigger impact on the ABs that Etzebeth had on the Boks. Well deserved his POTY
Totally agree that Eben Etsebeth should have won. A lifetime achievement award.
Hes dtill playing.
That's a retirement award
Would whats his face win coach of the year if Dupont didn't play 7s this year? Of course not. Your mental gymnastics to justify it is a little over the top.
@@hannesbornman1045 let's see where the french end up in the 7s world series this year ... Without Dupont
@etienne_oosthuizen nowhere is the answer. I am a sage you'll see
France would not even have qualified for the Olympics if they were not held in France.
In one section you compare du pont going to 7s as messi going to futsal, now you're basically sayimg the futsal manager won football manager of the year. i struggle to understand this argument.
@@johankotze727 That is the best explanation I can imagine though. I love SVNS, it's a fun sport and all, but let's not pretend that it's Cheslin Kolbe and Ardie Savea who play in those comps these days.
@@randomlyfactual1943 it could be the next Cheslin Kolbe & Ardie Savea... Rodrigo Isgro has signed for Harlequins & gone well for Argentina
The argument I would have and Daret has been the coach for the French 7s team since 2017. The big change this year was the inclusion of DuPont. If you look at the winner of coach of the year Jacque Nienaber didn’t win in a year when he won a World Cup?
@@grahamedwards105 the flaws in the selection is mind blowing and how these chaps are really trying to convince us that Rassie is undeserving!
Du pont played 2 tournaments, what about all the 7s players who played 12 months onntour for f all salary ?? Undermines all other 7s players who dedicate their lives for no money, is it best player or best impact player?
@@MorrisdeSaucer he played 4 tournaments and he missed the 6 Nations for it
He won France the olympics.
100% agree.
@@zachb1706 and your point? neymar won brazil the olympics he did not win the balon door.
@warrenamos535 a great counter point to Zachb .
To all you whinging Saffers. The French coach deserved the title of Coach of the Year. He took a side rated No. 1 in the world to No. 4 in the world despite having amazing depth of talent. It takes exceptional skill as a coach to do that. If only Foster was on the same short list....
I totally misunderstood your comment at first 😂 yeah, the same thing is happening to the French as it is to the All Blacks. Referees are finally penalising both teams properly whose games have relied heavily on foul play before.
Very politically cautious... and very wrong assessment of coach of the year.
I honestly don't see how you want Etzebeth to have won for his legacy etc, but then Daret wins one Olympic gold and then he's the best coach of the year. Sorry, I enjoy your analysis, but Rassie deserved it a helluva lot more than Daret... not that Rassie really cares, but give credit where credit is due. He has been the best coach in the world this year and over the last 6 years you could argue. Took a team from nowhere in 2018 to winning a world cup in the next 18 months. By your logic with Daret, he should have won that year then at least.... That's a legacy that will be hard to top, not Daret.
The mental gymnastics you guys have to do to justify Daret's Coach of the Year award is astounding! Rassie played more than 50 players throughout the year and his only two losses were with 1 point. Bearing in mind that he has a new attack coach and a new defense coach. That's just amazing!
Dupont rightly won 7s Player of the Year because he single-handedly lifted a team with a mediocre coach who achieved nothing since 2017. Which is why it's absolutely batshit insane and a fucking joke that Rassie didn't win. It is a fucking conspiracy.
Agree. Dupont deserves it, people can keep crying and Erasmus should have won the award as best coach of the year.
A conspiracy against SA ? with the "help" rhey had during WC it's hilarious, but I do agree that Rassie probably deserved it better, but hey, they should have two distinctions, for 7 and XV anyway.
Why would Rassie win rather than English women’s coach, who has a 100% record and the highest World Rankings points in history? That’s makes no sense. If all you need to do to win is have a dominant team and keep it dominant, John Mitchell would be a waaaay ahead of Rassie.
@@Zveebo John Mitchell would also have made sense, but he would have made sense over Andy Farrell last year as well. I can only surmise that it's far harder to be dominant in the men's game because it has been developed so much more, and that's why they give it to men's coaches. It should have been either Rassie or Mitchell, though.
So France won the 7's because Dupont is so wonderful....it was all him on his own right? So why does the France 7's coach gets coach of the year? His team was losing and only won because of Dupont right? Wonderful French charity work by World Rugby.
My French workmate who plays 7s and follows the team thinks that the French 7s coach is god awful. Hard to argue while looking at his stats pre DuPont
Du Pont only made a big impact because of who he is, everyone had their eyes on him as to how he would perform instead of looking at others as well. Couch of the year and 7's player of the year is just World Rugby being sour puss and ignores what Rassie gas been doing, winning every single trophy available this year 19:19
Paulin Riva was the French 7's captain
Twisting the argument in to believing that Daret actually deserves it more than Rassie is hilarious 😂
Yeah, love the content from these two, but they credited France's 7s success to Dupont and then suddenly credited it to Daret.
What did Rassie do? Win the Qatar Airways Cup???
Ffs. If Rassie wants to win the award again, he can go to another team and show he can take a squad from nowhere to champions, absent the massive player base in South Africa. Wales, for instance 👍
@@Zveebo he did that in 2018 and one year later was winning the WC. The massive pool of players is thanks to Rassie and his systems. This year he has won every trophy he possibly could and has the best win ratio of any team while playing 51 players!!! He doesn’t need to go to Wales or anywhere else. This is his home
@ And he won Coach of the Year back then. So what are you whining about?
Fun Fact about JVDF - His family are actually Dutch/Irish - His grandparents were Dutch and moved to Ireland in the 50s. No SA connection there at all.
Dan Carter actually won it 3 times
You guys are usually so much more astute than this. That Muppet has been the coach of the French 7s team since 2017. So all the mediocrity and failure you mentioned, such as not qualifying for the 2020 games and never winning a tournament, has been on his watch. I guess something changed this year...I wonder what it could have been? Seriously, guys, the success of the French 7s team is 100% due to Dupont. This coach had zero to do with it, and it will play out this year when France go back to their norm. World Rugby made a travesty out of this award. You guys are usually better than this. Dubai this weekend. Let's see if France gets out of the group stage.
Du Pont and playing in front of a home crowd! Simple as. Not the coach.
As much as I love PSDT, Ox Nche should have won Player of the Year this year. Like come on, tell me what physically more could ANY Prop ever do to get the award, or hell, even just a Nomination, than what Ox has done this year, and getting multiple Man of the Match awards because of how he played and his impact. Quite frankly, I don't think World Rugby is every going to give any prop the award ever, and it's purely down to how much World Rugby just hates the scrum for some unknown reason, despite it being a core integral part of Rugby Union.
On the 7s front, Dupont is MUCH more worthy of getting the 7s World Player of the Year award, than the coach was. The Coach had no business getting the Coach of the Year award or even getting anywhere close to that award, because the 7s team's win was PURELY down to Dupont and the impact he had on the 7s team. The Best credit the Coach can get was his decision to get Dupont on the team, but that's basically it. He had no business getting that Coach of the Year award.
Thanks for another great vid. In all seriousness, why do you think a prop has never been nominated for player of the year?
Rassie and Eben being overlooked might just keep them hungry to prove a point. I am not sure if Eben can maintain another 1 or 2 years to come in contention again? We also don't know the selection criteria that may change as panelist comes and go; On 2024 performance alone PSDT; ADD leadership then Eben is for sure the most valuable POTY.
Also not sure if Eben can manage at this rate for another year. I am sure he will still give it his all. But it is sad really. He should have got it in 2023.
When it comes to player of the year front 5 just get ignored because they aren't seen outside of rucks as much as all the positions
Then it just shows the lack of understanding from WR. Even the public has more knowledge about their own game
@ryanwaugh1 it is a vote flashy monuments are memorable.
How many amazing rucks clearouts fo you remember
That Portugal try. OMG. It plays at 25.00.
How does that not get nominated?
I don't even know this French coach. He has one feather in his cap( Du Ponte), and all of a sudden his the next best thing. Rubbish!
Agree, did he win because of his coaching or because of the player (s) available to him. How long has he been a coach, if he cannot maintain this standard and improve on it in the coming season, then we need a refund!
The issue I have is coach of the year. Giving it to a coach who has been poor since 2017 and only won because Dupont joined his team. Rassie and Nienaber have been subbed for several awards. Be sure, it will feature in Chasing the Sun 3 for sure!
Dupont winning is disrespectful to all other full-time 7s players, including his teammates.
And please understand, AD is one of the best in XV, and will probably go down as a Top 3 in his position, but playing 20 minutes in TOTAL, throughout the entire 7's season is simply... not enough.
I think there should be a required minimum of minutes played to be eligible to win individual awards, like the NBA does with its 65-game min. for MVP, DPOY, etc.
Don't agree that there is no weakness in Kildunne's game. Her defence isn't great and neither is her distribution. When the pressure is on, which let's be honest is very rare when England are playing, she's looks pretty ordinary. My first name on the sheet would always be Abby Dow. Or Zoe Aldcroft. Or Alex Matthews. Quite a contrary view I know.
I agree, it was a strange comment, there are weaknesses in even the most exceptional player's game.
Yep. She's playing behind an outstanding team. In 7s for GB she was absolutely horrible.
They must have 2 x 15s player of the year - 1 for forwards (1-8), 1 for backs (9-15).
Rassie needs his own category altogether.
Just heard the first 30 seconds, I'm already suscribed
There’s a long tradition of World Rugby shafting South Africa at these awards:
- Fourie du Preez should’ve won in 2009 (Irish fans could feel just as aggrieved about BoD).
- Kurt-Lee Arendse should’ve won breakout player of the year in 2022: scored seven tries in seven tests against all of the top teams.
- Jacques Nienaber should’ve won coach of the year in 2023.
- The World XV last year was an absolute joke. Just one Springbok in the entire squad?
- And yes, Rassie should’ve won coach of the year this year.
Who else has innovated and advanced the game more this year? Who else has maintained an 85% winrate with an average of 13 changes every game, won literally every trophy on offer, and evolved an already imperious team to new levels? No one.
Let's talk about 2009.
So the Bulls won the Super XIV by absolutely destroying the Chiefs.
In the Rugby Championship, South Africa whitewashed New Zealand, 3 games to nil. One in NZ, two in South Africa.
World player of the year? McCaw. Absolute BS
@ And let’s not forget we also won the BIL series that year. Peter de Villiers should’ve won coach of the year that year as well.
@jacquescoetzee47 Oh snap! I completely forgot about that BIL series!
I'm a huge fan of McCaw, he is on my GOAT list, I respect the hell out of him, but him getting that award in 2009 was absolutely horseshit.
South Africans definitely would win whiners of the year, that’s for sure. FFS guys learn to be less bad winner.
The only trophy of note Rassie has won this year is the Qatar Airways Cup. Taking the best team in the world and keeping it the best team in the world, with the biggest player base in the world to draw from is not some amazing coaching achievement. He did nothing particularly of note this year. Others did - they rightly won.
@@ZveeboSA does not have the biggest player base in the world 🤦🏻♂️
Dupont 7s player of year is a total insult.. played very limited tournaments mainly not as a starter.. it's tho they needed to find a medal for him.. yes won a olympic title but not just because of him.. Argentina win a maiden world series title and they didn't win as player or coach of year..
Well said mate! 💯
agree 100% world rugby is just trying to make him a poster boy.
@@warrenamos535 French rugby is corrupt.
Facts ✌🇿🇦 the Global North...what can one say ?
facts brought up by Squidge. What were the impact of keenan or Kildune.. Hummmm must not be so easy...
i love this channel so fucking much
Not a conspiracy against SA Rugby..That's not what is being said .. Conspiracy against prop forwards ? Absolutely... Unfortunately I cannot comment on Woman's Rugby awards .I don't watch it ..As far as Rassie goes ..Whole world knows he is the best coach in the sport...Except so called World Rugby .
Lads, love the channel, love your analysis, love listening to the pair of you chat BUT Rassie not having won coach or the year is almost as infuritating as Bill Sweeneys salary announcement. I say this as a hurt objective Englishman
Maddie Levi has the best "dont argue' fend in the game.....
How good is Beauden Barrett nowadays? Haven’t followed rugby too much apart from six nations and world cups, but in 2016 he was my favourite player. Just curious where he ranks as a 10/15 in 2024?
How can anybody with any logic say Dupont is the single best player in the world? Can he scrum? Can he jump in the lineout? Can he reach the top shelf in the store?
You can at most say he is the best 9 in the world, but no single person can be the best rugby player in the world.
The French man only got it because of his fame
🐐Coach Rassie 🐐
Always in your head. Too scared to bring his name up
It was very disingenuous to start with a joke about Nche's snub being anti-SA "conspirisizing". The point was that no props have ever won it.
Jip, mock shock so yesterday...
@@libertyavalanche and when last was a prop that dominant in a season? Ox has world class ... To your point, a prop has never been nominated let alone winning it!
Ox getting the nod would have sent a strong message to the young front rowers, showing them that they too can recognised as superstars in rugby union. That's not to take away from an equally as deserving PSDT.
Seems like it would be good if they introduced position awards as well as best player awards
Yo that try that didn't make the cut was robbed. That try was so hype!
So France’s 7s coach deserved to win it simply because he managed to sign Du Pont? What?? They played Du Pont (which was given as the reason for them winning in this video) and played in front of a very passionate home crowd…that changes everything! Was the coach that great for these reasons?
About Rassie, clearly a great manager, maybe voters remebered how he talked about the refs not going his way not so long ago. I reckon he's pushed the limits way too far there
That was in 2021. He was punished quite harshly. Many coaches have done it since, yet nobody has suffered any consequences.
why is telling the truth to far? and why is no one else punished?
Thanks you crazy people. Agree about Eben and Nche.
I think Alex Matthews was better than Kildunne, especially showing any time England faced good teams (France, Canada, New Zealand) where the England forwards and Matthews in particular were far more crucial than Kildunne.
I won't deny Kildunne crucifies weaker teams, but she's a bit "win more" in those fixtures for me.
1st you say depont deserves because without him they wouldn’t have won the Olympics then you go on to say a coach that’s been there since 2017 changed the team to win the Olympics. Which one is it? Nobody even knew that coaches name before Sunday
It only took squidge 1:28 into the video to mention Du Pont 😂
I don't think Coach of the Year should be based on a turnaround from previous years. Rassie is an even better coach now than when he won the award five years ago. I don't think one can compare 7s tournaments to a 15s World Cup or the Rugby Championship, either. I agree that Rassie probably doesn't care though.
dupoop winning sevens player on the year is a slap in the face of those who played the entire series.
Nothing unusual. Sprinboks getting shafted yet again. A team that has been lauded by many since 2018, and so few players and coaches get the recognition they deserve.
Maar, wat kan ek sê? Hulle weet nie wat ons weet nie.
(Yes I am salty that they don’t get all the awards)
Saffas never stop being the most whiny winners imaginable. Get some balls for the love of god.
@Zveebo Confirmation Bias right there. We complain as much as anyone.
@@Denny_Boi You endlessly complain when you are winning. It’s so tedious and complacent - it comes across as sheer arrogant entitlement.
@@Zveebo News to me that I complain while winning. Thanks for informing me.
I feel sorry for any rugby fans outside of South Africa. the fans can be crazy. And I mean in red pill kind of crazy.
we not mad at world rugby, be expect such. if we can't literally go out and win it we don't expect to get it and it's OK
no DNA only RSA 🇿🇦
i called it, G best letter of the year.
Explain that to me. I truly didn't get it. Don't even know if that was a joke.
What I dislike is the logic of Dupont: he won 7s player of the year because of his impact, with the recognition that France wete a middling team without him. However, they won't award Rassie coach pf the year, despite winning a world cup with a team that was nowhere just a year prior to that. So winning a world cup didn't matter. THEN you have them this year awarding the French coach the award for having so-so results throughout the year but he won the world cup so 🤷. So winning an Olympic gold trumps everything I guess. Then you award Farrel coach of the year despite him losing two tests and getting eliminated in a quarterfinal, but Rassie has a similar record plus winning every trophy available and yet they award it to Daret. So in totality, Springbok fans do have a point pointing out bias because trophies 🏆 simultaneously mean everything and nothing depending on who won them
More Saffa bitching 😂😂😂😂😂
@MorrisdeSaucer with a full trophy 🏆 cabinet at that
@@MorrisdeSaucer let's count together.. 1, 2, 3, 4. You guys are a bunch of jellous (C) UNTS
He won a WC in 2024 ? Erasmus should win this award last year
@@MorrisdeSaucer okay, you think we're just moaning. That's fine.
If you think we don't have a case, then I'd like to bring your attention to the Year of Our Lord, 2009.
The Bulls won Super Rugby that year, beating the Chiefs in the final by 61-17 or something.
The Springboks had a British and Irish Lions tour, which they won 2 games to 1. They then went onto the Tri Nations (the precursor to the Rugby Championship) and won it really convincingly, whitewashing New Zealand 3 games to nil.
World Player Of The Year for 2009? Richie McCaw.
If you think we are just salty, please explain him winning that award in that year.
You were spin doctoring on the 7s coach.
Meh... who cares. Winning is better than being "awarded"... awards are purely subjective and often down to a popularity contest. When you win it, no one can deny you it...🇿🇦✌🏾
Saffas, let's get over them snubbing Rassie - oksalayo we're the wen kants! 😂😂
7:23 I might be wrong, bur hasn‘t carter won it 3 times aswell?
Yes he did
6 Nations and Rugby Championships are hands down bigger, more important competitions than the Olympic sevens...which is what, a 2 day tournament? I didn't even know the sevens was on until the semi finals...and I watched 2 minutes. Sevens (and women's rugby) should 1000% have separate coaching awards. Combining them just robs every deserving person of their flowers imho
Also the balls it takes to bench Dupont & it still paid off
@@TheMintedAero1993 True. I would think that's due to fitness levels, or more accurately, the difference in fitness required between 7's and 15's. In the XV game, the hits are way harder, but you get to conserve energy for the largest part of the game to hopefully release it in some kind of satanic fury when you make a break. You can't play flat out, you have to conserve energy.
In Sevens, it's basically a sprint for a short period of time, two or maybe three times a day.
Dupont played what? 2 or 3 7s games and wins 7s player of the year. Their coach is someone no-one knows and he is coach of the year.
Okay.
Good way to reward those full-time 7s players I guess.
What happened to team of the year. Just disappeared quietly.
he played 4 tournaments (counting the olympics), 1st one: bronze, 2nd and 3rd: gold, Olympics : Gold. Before Dupont came in 7 France did not win a tournament for a long time. I'm pretty sure he is the player who had the most impact on 7 this year. If you disagree, which can be understood, try at least to do it honestly
@@thetmes6133 if you say du pont was the deciding factor then the coach should have gotten nothing. Which one is it?
@erickdavid2412 it's Dupont one word. I do not have a strong opinion on the coach award, maybe it's because he managed to include Dupont and made him effective but yeah its debatable. But my life do not depends on it I honestly do not care really much who wins such award.
@@thetmes6133 7s are for kids dude.
Try of the year against shocking defense....what a joke
I agree with the Portugal Try...that was magic
Jorgia Miller is the best sevens player on the planet. LEVI WAITS ON THE WING AND RUNS FAST that's it..
I’d have given it to ox nyche
Is the little cut-out of Rene Ranger?
Yeah, none of these awards really matter
Dupont winning sevens Olympic gold is like Messi winning the futsal world cup....so, by that logic, it's all just sevens coaching brilliance? Please
Reward for the most overrated player ever - Antone Du Pont
Antone Du Pont is definitely overrated... Antoine Dupont though, is Sevens Player ot the Year.
Antoine. Your spelling is overrated
Well Kolbe, Habana, SBW, Keynan… all tried to switch from 7 to 15 and were average/good.
Dupont came in a French team that without him did not win a tournament since 2005
With him, in 4 tournaments, 1 silver and 3 gold, including WC and the Olympics. And he was decisive in all tournaments (vs Ireland, GB and Fidji to name a few important games across 3 tournaments)
And all that while winning Top 14 and Champions Cup the same year, finishing player of the year in both competitions and MOTM of the 3 finals he played.
Overrated you say ?
Can you name one player that deserves it more in 7 2024, and why ?
@@08padam Anyone who has won a world cup. and because they won a world cup.
People who say Dupont is overrated have more teeth than brain cells or are Saffies; or both 🤣🤣🤣
Oh that try was lush wow
lovely chat lads
carter has won it 3 times?
Guys, don't try roasting people. It's not your thing, and it's cringe. Squidge: Your biggest problem as a rugby personality is that you need to remember the position in which you specialise.
It's definitely cringe but Saffas are going to come out fighting if we feel that we've been wronged. Our team gets way mire flack than any other...guaranteed.
You made a great example of Messi playing for whatever you called it. fussball. Now am sure there has been many great achievements by coaches in fussball. but never do we compare it to the 11 aside of football. the impact just cannot be comared. think about it. how many nations beside france had their best player playing for them in Sevens. no wonder they won then. it was not the coach. he has been there for a while. its the players that came in for a short while like dupont that made the team strong. as for Rassie in 2017. He inherited the same players who had been beaten by record scores previously and turned them to world champions. this is simply wrong in all levels of considerations. there is no excuse for it and no justifying it at all
Darat getting coach of the year is a joke. I thought they at least won the cup. 😂 irb are still salty with rassie.
Frances 7th team not top of rankings and has never been since 2017 when Jerome Daret started coaching Frances 7th. A Dupont won the Olympic title for them, not Daret !!! Coming season with Dupont out Frances 7th team will be a lot worse. Pathetic logic !
Conspiring?
I cant believe I'm saying this but I think you are uderestimating DuPont by defending the French 7s coach. Rassie should have won it. The best sevens coach this year has been Santiago Gomez Cora, they were the best and most interesting team of the series. They introduced the championship tournament this year and Argentina lost to Dupont's France but any other year they would have been series champions. And in the olympics they also lost to Dupont, who I think despite the few games he player in sevens deserved to be named best player.
First. And love the content from a long time fan
No way in hell Etzebeth is best forward ever.
whos better?
PSDT, McCaw, George Smith, Michael Jones, Dusautior .. etc
Male or female? She needs to relax with that woke nonsense
Tbh Jerome Daret as best coach this year is understandable. According to the quick evolution for french seven team in only one year
The funny things about all the Saffas playing victims in the comments on social media is that you know if France had not won the gold medal, they would have destroyed the guy painting him as a mediocre player. They cannot bear Dupont success they cannot replicate, he lives rent free in their heads, it is weird really. Kudos for PSDT for winning a second award, he is a beast.
What shite are you talking mate!?!?! "Success they cannot replicate?"
Please elaborate on this as I'm sure the Boks are successful as a team..... not so?
Lives rent free.......15 October 2023.😉
Sounds like copium to me. Most South Africans aren't say Dupont doesn't deserve it, just that the Bokke are underrepresented in international awards in general.
Kolbe and Kwagga have won more
😂😂😂😂
The rugby deities are punishing wales for this
Bin the episode. Life will not go on. Rassie should have won. 😂
Squidge has moved of from shoving Dupont down everybody's throat as the supposed best player in the world to now saying a women is the best player in the world. Ellie has been awsome and is the single most talented female player I've ever seen but call a spade a fucking spade. Best women's player to ever play by far but she wouldent even start for a tier 2 men's club
Listen Ellies been awesome and completely deserved the award. Best female player to probably ever play but she is simply not the best player in the world and never will be. A male player will win a head on head every single time barely even trying. We don't have a direct comparison in rugby but need I remind you of the Australian u16 boys soccer team beating the national women's team and it wasn't close, the golden oldies team of retired men whooping a professional women's team by 16 goals and a top 10 women's tennis player saying she'd beat the top men easily just to get whooped by a guy barely in the top 150 in the world