I have. I don't know about you guys, but crawling through a vagina was pretty uncomfortable for me personally. It's not easy to admit it, but I cried right after.
@@HLGJammernot exactly. women have a higher pain tolerance. this comes from having a lot more dense nerve clusters that are sensitive to pain than men do. men have less dense clusters so it we actually feel less pain. that seems to for the most part even out.
You should do a colab with Ranton; he could probably answer every single question you have about Shaolin :D (He's a former Shaolin disciple, now streamer and video game reviewer)
Ranton studied at the "Fake Shaolin" center. When the Commies burned down the Temple (Quite recently in History), they banned the practice of all Martial arts for +60 years. The commies eventually rebuilt the Temple... but they could only find ONE remaining Monk. He was in his 80s, and was deemed unfit to teach. Most of the original monks had either fled the attack... (often fleeing to Taiwan) or they were captured and slaughtered. As such... a LOT of these Chinese Combat arts knowledge, was completely LOST / Destroyed. The CCP's Shaolin... its no longer ran for developing religious and hardcore fighting monks. The monks there, are fed a training program that focuses less on combat.. and more about "Performance" / Acrobatic Tricks. They then take the best of these guys, and put them on Tours all over the world, to make money from Shows and Demos. While they do have certain degree of skills... they are not even close to representing the True Shaolin combat capabilities. In fact, much of their training has Degraded drastically... such as them using modern kick bags... instead of wall mounted Sandbags. As such, Rantons opinions on any Combat Art, basically dog Sh*T.
The point of the balloon is because the needle piercing the glass can be so clean that it's not visible for an audience to see, but a balloon pressed right up against the glass on the opposite side popping is a very visible effect of a needle passing through glass.
When I got to visit the Temple back in 2002, when we entered the very first gate, before the temple proper, we had a monk off in the corner with a f'n 'wave-master' punching bag, practicing straight-up boxing, and through our interpreter/guide, the monks noted straight up that in the last temple massacre they lost a lot of the knowledge of application, and they had members specifically looking for 'applicability' in martial arts to apply to Shaolin.
Monks? Sure theyre amazing. Body control? Definitely cool. Random guys going through this? Absolutely fun. But the shocker, the thing that really amazed me, was Seth's pure determination, will, and adherence to growth through self inflicted avoidable pain, exhibited in his choice not to get yt premium.
The body hardening and conditioning really probably all works together. All the manual labor builds up that farmer strength. All the exercises and load builds bone density like it does in weightlifters. The striking probably both deadens nerves and trains out the reflex that gets you to hold back. After a few years of this you have some strong ass farm boy who can fearless blast through targets, push himself mentally and then you add technique. Put that guy against your average untrained, unconditioned couch potato and he's going to seem like another species.
The bone hardening is absolutely real and its the bodies adaptation to trauma by laying excess layers of bone when recovered. I've also done this forearm conditioning also and it definitely helps. Its like shin conditioning but for your arms.
@@Hybrid_Therapy i'm glad to hear this, i thought that elbow and forearm conditioning would not work at all even though i've been doing it for like 1 month now. 2 days a week i started off doing it on wooden planks and moved on to iron and lampposts and i feel like it's starting to hurt less and less and my forearms feel more dense
36 is a significant number in buddhism as it's a whole divisor of 108. Bit like how gojushiho is 54 and seipai is 18 (also divisors of 108). That's probably why, together with it being a good amount but not too crazy
Good guess about the "weeding out" students with the gravel shoveling and stuff but it also has a strong basis in Zen Buddhism, which I am far more familiar with than Shaolin. I have gone to a "Shaolinn" monastery in China though and they did some shit in front of my eyes that I could barely believe the human body could take, it's partly WWE style stuff like having many spikes that distribute the penetration power of each, but still, I saw up close and I was legitimately afraid for their lives at certain points, like when one guy balanced on a spear that he had previously demonstrated could penetrate several objects easily
It's not so much weeding out as teaching the students to overcome their own minds. I see how that could be the same thing but it's an essential part of this type of martial arts.
I think modern day humanist minds (that we all nowadays possess to some level) try to come up with different reasoning while i think truth is much simpler. It's about humility, meekness and submission to your teacher on a deep, spiritual level. You basically admit your lower position compared to him, preparing yourself to learn from him as a blank paper, rather than established, self-sufficient, prideful even, person who knows best and picks and chooses what to learn and what to not.
The shovelling here is actually about mending the training area - which is seen as part of the maintenance of the monastery, which is what you do, when you stay there for a time. Also cleaning and cooking.
@@KlausBeckEwerhardy man verbindet wohl das Praktische mit dem Nützlichen? In einem anderen Video spricht ein bereits ausgebildeter Shaolin-Schüler von dem Klostervorsteher (Abt), der ein gutes Leben führt, selbst nur das Kloster verwaltet und die Tradition predigt wobei von den Schüler uneingeschränkter Gehorsam und die Aufgabe der eigenen Wünsche erwartet wird.
@@neuwalter7386 Das ist möglich. Das Kloster in Otterberg ist oft im Fernsehen und da werden die Aufgaben der Akolyten und Langzeitgäste gezeigt - etwas, was ich so aus traditionellen Kungfu-Retreats in Deutschland, Frankreich, Schottland und China auch erlebt habe. Im Plum Village scheint es so ähnlich zu sein. Es ist pragmatisch, unterstützt das Training UND stärkt das Gemeinschaftsempfinden. Habe ich 2009 und 2015 in Wudangshan auch so bei den Daoisten kennengelernt. Oder auf Kirchenfreizeiten. Die Lebensführung des Abts erscheint mir dabei eher unerheblich. Ch'an-Buddhismus ist halt im monastischen Bereich so, wie auch manche noch funktionierende christliche Klöster.
There is a tremendous amount of evidence that axial loading strengthens the bones and increases their density, It's most well studied in weight lifters so you're going to strengthen your bones over time by doing front Kicks and punches The kind of radial loading that people do with body conditioning doesn't seem to do anything good for the bones Feeling less pain It's likely neurological, not because your bones are actually any stronger from it
you build up scar tissue under the skin and calloused thicker skin that helps protect the bones. Doing push-ups on knuckles on concrete and gravel surfaces then lightly punching a concrete wall... gradually overtime hitting the wall harder and harder till you reach a point where you can punch a concrete wall full power and... only feel a dull unpleasant sensation... rather than a sharp pain (as you break your untrained/conditioned hand)... That's an application for conditioning... your opponent jumps aside, you punch something hard... and just keep going at him without missing a beat.
Bones adapt (to a certain degree) to the stress they're facing regularly. Take people running barefoot, professionnal athletes etc..you can litteraly identify the activity a person practised over years just by looking at the way their skeleton is !
@@alexkozliayev9902 yes the microfracture explanation seems to be too simplistic, but there seems to be something real with bone conditioning translatable to martial arts. What could the explanations be?
@@alexharrisson5926 as far as i know running, jumping, weight lifting will increase bone mass and bone sturdiness. While athletes are young their body can recover from beating hard surfaces, but as they get older than thirty body start to recover more slowly and their bones may and up weaker than in a person who don't do such "conditioning"
Hardening training is less about numbing or killing the nerves in your skin, it's more about 3 factors: 1. The more your central nervous system experiences a specific sort of pain or pain in a specific spot on your body, it starts toning down your pain reaction to it, so you feel it less painful 2. The raised amound of stress on your muscle, your ligaments, tendons and bone due to repeated impact will indeed cause your body to grow then stronger 3. It's a mixture of building mental fortitute and also pushing your commitement, kind of 'consumer satisfaction' or 'sunken cost'. If you decided to inflict pain on yourself, your barrier of 'nope, I'm out!' afterwards is raised significantly so it opens you mentally for harder, more intense training While 1. and 2. are very long term things (compared to sore muscle healing up and being stronger afterwards, tendons and ligaments take weeks of repeated stress to grow and bones even month but even just 'simple' strength training will indeed lead to your bones becoming thicker and denser over month and years), 3 is a very short term thing which will indeed raise how invested you are.
11:46 I'm not the first person in the comments to mention this but yes, your body does adapt to repeated conditioning. Anybody who's exercised and experienced the plateau effect knows that. But that's about muscular microfractures. Bone microfractures are different. Essentially, it's you deadening your sensitivity to pain by destroying your pain receptors. You can't feel the pain? Then you can go harder. And that definitely affects you mentally.
I train Chow Gar Southern Mantis and conditioning is a major part of the style. We condition pretty much every part of the body, anywhere we attack on others we condition on ourselves, and at the highest levels testicle and penis retraction comes in. And it's real I've witnessed it. Crazy hard but awesome, brutal and practical.
I'm enjoying this very much as well and what he said about the boring stuff spending more time that's kind of similar to like going to the gym your body won't improve won't get bigger or healthier faster or whatever unless you spend more time in the gym doing whatever it is you're specifically doing if it's lifting weights or whatever
okay, first of all, even though i have some knowledge and use a bit of medical language, i am not a medical doctor myself. i've explained that bit quite a few time now so to get into it... i will be talking here about multiple types of conditioning such as bone conditioning and skin conditioning. first i'll talk abstractly about how you can cause a desired effect toward conditioning of a tissue, then i'll get into the practical side of it. to clarify what is conditioning, any form of conditioning has two main goals: to increase the resilience of the targeted tissue to externally caused injuries (impact, abrasion and so on), and to increase the tolerance to pain (from lower feeling of pain and/or higher psychological pain tolerance). to make the skin more resilient, the two methods are to expose it to abrasion and to place load onto that skin, it will first cause a thickening of the skin, then progressive calcification. skin calcification can cause numbness and even loss of tactile feeling in the part, so it is generally considered as undesirable in those days and ages even for very passionate practitioners. for knuckle you can do things as simple as hitting a makiwara board or sand bag bare handed, or doing knuckle pushups on an unpleasant surface. other body parts may require more creativity, but hitting repeatedly with medium strength a target that has a rough surface or directly rubbing the skin with coarse salt (like in some traditional methods) will lead to tougher skin. it is important to avoid rupturing the skin as it will slow or even alt progression of that conditioning, scar tissues are for the most part weaker than normal skin. abrasion of the skin until it gets blood red and small drops of blood are sipping through is okay, but anything further is inefficient. what's good about pain is that you can simply get psychologically used to it, so i'll sum up that aspect of pain management as "just do painful things and get used to it, duh..." when it comes to reducing the pain felt now, there's only one way, and it is to reduce the capability of the body part to feel. repetitive hitting with hard objects will progressively deaden the nerves. all sorts of traditional methods work, like bunching together small metal rods or sticks and gently wacking the body part. it will progressively lead to a reduced capability to feel pain in the tissues you are hitting. as an adverse effect it may lead to reduced feelings in that part altogether. and to finish it up, toughening bones can only ever be done through the marvelous principle called "wolf's law". the way the metabolism around the bones balance itself out and is influenced by external factor leads to bones changing shape and density to adapt to load they are continuously submitted to. anything that trains your skeletal muscle is loading your bones just as much, and by increasing the strength of your muscle it also increase their ability to pull on your bones, generating a secondary load on them. for those previous reasons, your bone toughness will always be proportional to your muscle strength. by standing up your toughen your femurs and other bones of your legs, that's as simple as that. if you often walk around while carrying heavy thing, you'll toughen all bones of your leg further. pushups toughen your arms, knuckle pushups by loading your weight in an otherwise unusual way on your hand toughen some of those bones too. a funny uncommon one: at high level, skiing toughen the shins because it involves leaning your weight against the hard shoes. but anyways, short version is: do weight training for your bones. any method that revolves around hitting thing is absolutely inefficient at increasing bone toughness because the load is reduced (since you are not hitting full force), and the continuity of the load is non-existent. applying radial force to a bone in such a way could progressively lead it to take a curved shape to adapt, like an arch directed toward those habitual impacts, but then just standing up on your legs would increase the load on the inside of the curve and decrease it on the outside because of the flexibility, leading, once again, because of wolf's law, to a stimulated growth inside of the curve and decreased growth outside of the curve, thus straightening the bone as if it was predestined to have this shape... now the big mistake that leads to many injuries is people doing traditional methods of conditioning, which, as i explained before, mostly target pain tolerance, without having increased the toughness of their tissues through other methods. resulting on being able to endure the pain of impacts that your tissues cannot resist. basically, an easy recipe for fast injuries. this part is purely my opinion based on my personal experience. pain tolerance is highly overrated, you don't need to be impervious to pain, you only need to be resistant enough. and honestly, it doesn't take much at all to not notice pain under pressure and injure yourself without feeling it. just training at high intensity is enough to realize, it's only afterward that you notice how you bumped or hurt yourself so many times. the exercises i personally use and recommend are: knuckle pushups, bare knuckle on a sandbag (with controlled strength to not injure the wrist), and of course the holly muscle training to load dem' bones. i see no issue either with makiwara board as long as it goes hand in hand with "loading those fucking bones".
15:30 china banned the practice of non-demonstration martial arts for a couple centuries so yes, everything which survived was essentially adapted for "internal growth" and shows (which were VERY popular in XVIII and XIX centuries). It's very unfortunate but at least we have some surviving late Ming military manuals/treaties (which include some bullshit as well of course, that's not unique to China though, European manual of E. Pascha for example has what's essentially "show drills" too, and basically the whole XIX century english "quarterstaff" where you hold it in the middle is explicitly for conditioning reasons).
You missed the point with the glass. The point of that exercise is to throw the needle through the glass WITHOUT breaking the glass. To throw it so perfectly straight that it creates a teeny tiny hole in the glass before popping the balloon
@@AztecUnshaven Ranton also has legitimate training, he lived and trained at the temple and was a full time, Shaolin Monk before beginning on youtube. You are right to say he is not a master because he also says this, but he also has legitimate training.
@@dashofdinosaur He spent most of his time doing modern wushu routines. Very different from old Shaolin combative methods or the Shaolin Sanda program. By contrast, Shi Heng Yi has a wealth of experience with several real Shaolin boxing teachers that live outside the Temple, as well as cross training in Yang Taijiquan with Adam Mizner.
@AztecUnshaven Ranton can still provide legitimate insight into the practices of the temple and their programs, but you're also correct that he would not be considered an expert. The point is that it would be a fun collaboration between two martial arts content creators. No need to take it so seriously
You can also look into Ranton. He was a shaolin monk for 3 years, and in most of these videos that are marketed as "shaolin monks", they are infact not shaolin monks, they would be smaller school and disciplines from around the area who model themselves after the shaolin temple.
Read an humorous article about such schools and it stated that calling them "rowdy" would be understatement. Especially with relations with other schools which tended to be quite hot. As in local taxi driver hands out baseball bats when students of different schools meet. Just to make it more interesting. Also said that training is real tough.
First, also; I like that you're trying new martial arts, and watching others do them, as both a project and for your own personal growth! So many martial artists get pigeon holed into one thing and miss the beauty of what the wide variety of the world can give them. The advice the Shaolin practitioner gave is great and is a mindset more people need to keep in mind.
Micro fractures would be bad, but the regular impact will cause the body to grow denser bone and muscle tissue as well as deafening the nerves and adjusting the mind to pain itself (like building tolerance). If you're going to start this kind of conditioning, listen to your body. Only go as hard as you feel comfortable, the tolerance for the pain will increase on it's own and you will be able to go harder at a later date. If you try to go too hard too fast you can injure yourself and this is definitely not the goal. And the conditioning doesn't last forever. Don't think you can take a break and come back to the same level, it is highly likely that you will sustain undesirable damage.
I trained in Shaolin, specifically Hua Quan. I can answer some questions. A lot of the time, they theatrics are for training only, the idea is to go to the most extreme place with any technique because if you can do it flawless at its most extreme version, you can do the practical version in a blink. So for example, a bicycle kick, or double front kick, you would train to jump, and kick as high as humanly possible while keeping form. And than you would learn to channel that into the practical version which is a very rapid, double front kick, where your shoulders shouldn't budge from their original position, with both kicks, impacting while the other is planted for maximum force.
My first mma gym had a wingchun instructor, and we did that partner forearm conditioning. As for the lawnmower, idk if they can either, but in theory, even though the machine is doing the cutting, the person still has to push/pull/guide it in the direction required, and they can have a rough vibration that can tire muscles over extended periods. The main issue would be maintenance and gasoline. But if its easily accessible for tourists, im sure a mechanic can keep it maintained.
Being wrist locked thousands of times causes micro fractures in the joint. Growing more bone in repair ( not beneficial). My radial bone is 5 mm longer than it should be and now causes issues.the micro fractures thing is real, but it is not always a goodthing
I trained Kali & JKD for 6 yrs and conditioned my shins knees and elbows with the Kali sticks, I train jiu jitsu now and when shin hits shin I definitely feel it less than other guy….thx for another fun video…👍🤓🫶🏻
Calcification, my dear Sensei, is quite the remarkable phenomenon indeed. It involves the accumulation of calcium within our precious body tissues, leading to a most intriguing consequence - the fortification of said tissues. Imagine this: when the delicate dance of damage and healing befalls our bones, not only do they mend, but they emerge even mightier at the very site of fracture. Quite the marvelous orchestration of nature's handiwork, wouldn't you agree?
The implication, and potentially a belief of the monks themselves, is that the needle travels through the glass to pop the balloon. Since slow mo was invented, I don't think anyone has video evidence of a needle passing cleanly through glass, and proceed forward to pop the balloon. In every case I've seen, the balloon gets popped by bits of glass coming from the window pane as it cracks. The needle is probably beefier than you're expecting.
These are just Show Demos. However, they often prove certain points. In this instance, the point is to develop enough acceleration, to be able to get that glass to react like that. Even with that same needle... a lot of others attempting the same feat, likely would fail. I once met a kid that learned how to throw a standard playing card... so fast, that it could penetrate a melon. I tried the same... and couldnt even get the card to move half as fast, nor a quarter of the distance. It requires a LOT of specific training, to get to that level of capability... and that is the main Point of these Demos. Showing the body is capable of things that are sort of "Super-Human" ... compared to the Average Joe... and even most of the top Elite Athletes. Of course, most of these Demos were designed to be Impressive and Mystical feats, to entice public Donations, to the Begging Monks of the Pre-Industrial Era of China. This practice was also done with many other arts... to try to get new students into their schools.
I can give u an answer, by hitting or getting hit constantly, the skin that took the hit becomes sstimulated and starts to build up as counter measure against blunt trauma, so it becomes more thick. Its also a mental preparation yes and finally and most important, it somewhat kills your nerve cells at that area
What you see in this video is not old Monastic kung fu. Chairman Mao re-wrote Chinese culture and history during the cultural revolution. He saw Buddhist traditions as a significant threat to communism. Monks and temples were actively targeted for persecution and destruction. What Mao could not destroy he corrupted. What we see as modern “Shaolin Kung Fu” today contains very little of the pre-communist monastic Kung Fu. In stead it is mainly Chinese opera and acrobatics. To find real “old monastic Kung Fu” the place to look is in the Chinese diaspora, in Taiwan, the USA, Hong Kong ,the UK, etc. Note I am not saying that “modern shaolin monks” do not know any old monastic Kung Fu, just that it is not taught and demonstrated publicly.
The only actual Bone Conditioning science is Wolff's law, which states that bones grow stronger and bigger when under a load, IE strength training, Deadening the nerves is also a real thing As for kicking your average banana tree, I would assume that as most of the documented fighters kicking trees are kind of skinny, that the resistance of the tree against their kicks also makes them a bit stronger overall, which is why it was popularized as "bone conditioning" (my own theory) Just do your Squats, Presses and Pulls. IMO
Shi has also some nice TED talks and been on German television a bit. I like his work a lot eventhough I am nowadays in the Wudang-corner. But I always enjoy mixing in some Shaolin, karate or something else from time to time. By the way, I'm not sure that the pain to be achieved by the cupboard door is the same as the pain from the fasces, but I could be mistaken. Could be like the difference of being hit with arnies or a shinai perhaps?
Maybe on a glass half fuller outlook the wax on wax off, and painting the fence are just to weed out the ones who are just looking to be flashy and maaybe some extra free care to the temple XD
There is actually a scientific way for bones to get not bigger but denser with small fractures, It's called "wolf's law" if i recall. does this training help do that? I don't know to me it looks like it would kill the nerves of the skin and maybe cause some internal bruising rather than strengthen the bones. But hey, I'm no expert.
Genuinely the most painful thing I've ever experienced, which I'm not sure a lot of people have but if you know, you know is a Dental Abscess. Literally cripplingly painful
Jesse trained under Shi Heng Yi and noticed how different the mechanics of Chinese martial arts, shaolin specifically, is compared to karate. Their conditioning training is absolutely brutal but definitely helps them develop their bodies to have what’s called the iron shirt. Also, I attended a shaolin demonstration in Switzerland when I was 9-10 yrs old at the United Nations
just listening to this shaolin dude is really motivational. but PLEASE PLEASE go visit him! his perspective is quite expansive in shaolin. doesn't feel 'fake' at all.
I've said it before, Shaolin is good stuff, but the fighting techniques are nothing unusual. Most asian martial arts techniques oginate in Shaolin after all. It's all in the conditioning. And that requires a ton of time that most of us don't have. When I was seriously good, I didn't have a life. I met a girl, got a "real job" and had kids. I'm happier, but younger me was a lot tougher. It's also why most kung fu schools suck. Noone wants to go through that training. It's boring, it hurts, and the rewards are a while down the road.
Bro give your editor a raise for that basketball edit alone 😂🔥
Zack?
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Personally I liked the Metal Gear edit at the beginning
HE'S ON FIRE!!
The hunger games edit was outta pocket 😂
Childbirth, Seth. You've never experienced the pain of childbirth.
YES! Good one
@@senseisethreactsa solid nut shot is more painful then birthing, most of us guys have experienced that.
I have. I don't know about you guys, but crawling through a vagina was pretty uncomfortable for me personally. It's not easy to admit it, but I cried right after.
@@HLGJammer except that it's not, unless a testicle gets ruptured. We don't have an equivalent.
@@HLGJammernot exactly. women have a higher pain tolerance. this comes from having a lot more dense nerve clusters that are sensitive to pain than men do. men have less dense clusters so it we actually feel less pain. that seems to for the most part even out.
"are monks allowed to use lawnmowers?!" I think you have confused monks with the amish lmao
a lady came up to me and asked me if monks use email. I said "of course they do! they just cant have any attachments."
Take your like good sir, that was a good one.
Uhm.. I think youtube at my previous reply. Anyways, nice pun.
You should do a colab with Ranton; he could probably answer every single question you have about Shaolin :D
(He's a former Shaolin disciple, now streamer and video game reviewer)
Ranton studied at the "Fake Shaolin" center. When the Commies burned down the Temple (Quite recently in History), they banned the practice of all Martial arts for +60 years. The commies eventually rebuilt the Temple... but they could only find ONE remaining Monk. He was in his 80s, and was deemed unfit to teach. Most of the original monks had either fled the attack... (often fleeing to Taiwan) or they were captured and slaughtered. As such... a LOT of these Chinese Combat arts knowledge, was completely LOST / Destroyed.
The CCP's Shaolin... its no longer ran for developing religious and hardcore fighting monks. The monks there, are fed a training program that focuses less on combat.. and more about "Performance" / Acrobatic Tricks. They then take the best of these guys, and put them on Tours all over the world, to make money from Shows and Demos. While they do have certain degree of skills... they are not even close to representing the True Shaolin combat capabilities. In fact, much of their training has Degraded drastically... such as them using modern kick bags... instead of wall mounted Sandbags.
As such, Rantons opinions on any Combat Art, basically dog Sh*T.
The level of crack energy those 2 could give off together would be glorious
Yes, please do!
I agree to this
Meh
I'm mad I watch you beat your wood while singing Black Betty.
Yes, you're right Seth, the 36 Chambers goes way deeper than just the movie. It was also a great album
From what I hear, the Shaolin and the Wu Tang could be dangerous...
Yes, I agree, Shaolin Shadowboxing, and Wu Tang sword style, and yes, he let him try his Wu Tang style...
Tiger style
En-garde, I'll let you try my wutang style
The point of the balloon is because the needle piercing the glass can be so clean that it's not visible for an audience to see, but a balloon pressed right up against the glass on the opposite side popping is a very visible effect of a needle passing through glass.
Reminded me of Idiot Abroad where he throws it into the cameraman's arm and all the monks just start laughing.
When I got to visit the Temple back in 2002, when we entered the very first gate, before the temple proper, we had a monk off in the corner with a f'n 'wave-master' punching bag, practicing straight-up boxing, and through our interpreter/guide, the monks noted straight up that in the last temple massacre they lost a lot of the knowledge of application, and they had members specifically looking for 'applicability' in martial arts to apply to Shaolin.
Monks? Sure theyre amazing.
Body control? Definitely cool.
Random guys going through this? Absolutely fun.
But the shocker, the thing that really amazed me, was Seth's pure determination, will, and adherence to growth through self inflicted avoidable pain, exhibited in his choice not to get yt premium.
Real talk
That is the truly painful experience
Gold!!! absolute gold!! 😅
The body hardening and conditioning really probably all works together. All the manual labor builds up that farmer strength. All the exercises and load builds bone density like it does in weightlifters. The striking probably both deadens nerves and trains out the reflex that gets you to hold back. After a few years of this you have some strong ass farm boy who can fearless blast through targets, push himself mentally and then you add technique. Put that guy against your average untrained, unconditioned couch potato and he's going to seem like another species.
Like in dragonball with goku and krillin with roshi.
The bone hardening is absolutely real and its the bodies adaptation to trauma by laying excess layers of bone when recovered.
I've also done this forearm conditioning also and it definitely helps. Its like shin conditioning but for your arms.
@@Hybrid_Therapy i'm glad to hear this, i thought that elbow and forearm conditioning would not work at all even though i've been doing it for like 1 month now. 2 days a week i started off doing it on wooden planks and moved on to iron and lampposts and i feel like it's starting to hurt less and less and my forearms feel more dense
36 is a significant number in buddhism as it's a whole divisor of 108. Bit like how gojushiho is 54 and seipai is 18 (also divisors of 108). That's probably why, together with it being a good amount but not too crazy
This is the answer.
Good guess about the "weeding out" students with the gravel shoveling and stuff but it also has a strong basis in Zen Buddhism, which I am far more familiar with than Shaolin. I have gone to a "Shaolinn" monastery in China though and they did some shit in front of my eyes that I could barely believe the human body could take, it's partly WWE style stuff like having many spikes that distribute the penetration power of each, but still, I saw up close and I was legitimately afraid for their lives at certain points, like when one guy balanced on a spear that he had previously demonstrated could penetrate several objects easily
It's not so much weeding out as teaching the students to overcome their own minds. I see how that could be the same thing but it's an essential part of this type of martial arts.
I think modern day humanist minds (that we all nowadays possess to some level) try to come up with different reasoning while i think truth is much simpler. It's about humility, meekness and submission to your teacher on a deep, spiritual level. You basically admit your lower position compared to him, preparing yourself to learn from him as a blank paper, rather than established, self-sufficient, prideful even, person who knows best and picks and chooses what to learn and what to not.
The shovelling here is actually about mending the training area - which is seen as part of the maintenance of the monastery, which is what you do, when you stay there for a time. Also cleaning and cooking.
@@KlausBeckEwerhardy man verbindet wohl das Praktische mit dem Nützlichen? In einem anderen Video spricht ein bereits ausgebildeter Shaolin-Schüler von dem Klostervorsteher (Abt), der ein gutes Leben führt, selbst nur das Kloster verwaltet und die Tradition predigt wobei von den Schüler uneingeschränkter Gehorsam und die Aufgabe der eigenen Wünsche erwartet wird.
@@neuwalter7386 Das ist möglich. Das Kloster in Otterberg ist oft im Fernsehen und da werden die Aufgaben der Akolyten und Langzeitgäste gezeigt - etwas, was ich so aus traditionellen Kungfu-Retreats in Deutschland, Frankreich, Schottland und China auch erlebt habe. Im Plum Village scheint es so ähnlich zu sein. Es ist pragmatisch, unterstützt das Training UND stärkt das Gemeinschaftsempfinden. Habe ich 2009 und 2015 in Wudangshan auch so bei den Daoisten kennengelernt. Oder auf Kirchenfreizeiten.
Die Lebensführung des Abts erscheint mir dabei eher unerheblich. Ch'an-Buddhismus ist halt im monastischen Bereich so, wie auch manche noch funktionierende christliche Klöster.
There is a tremendous amount of evidence that axial loading strengthens the bones and increases their density, It's most well studied in weight lifters so you're going to strengthen your bones over time by doing front Kicks and punches
The kind of radial loading that people do with body conditioning doesn't seem to do anything good for the bones
Feeling less pain It's likely neurological, not because your bones are actually any stronger from it
you build up scar tissue under the skin and calloused thicker skin that helps protect the bones.
Doing push-ups on knuckles on concrete and gravel surfaces then lightly punching a concrete wall... gradually overtime hitting the wall harder and harder till you reach a point where you can punch a concrete wall full power and... only feel a dull unpleasant sensation... rather than a sharp pain (as you break your untrained/conditioned hand)...
That's an application for conditioning... your opponent jumps aside, you punch something hard... and just keep going at him without missing a beat.
... not neurological... physiological.😊
Even Sensei Seth doesn't subscribe to UA-cam premium.
The headbutt at the end was a pain the likes of which I have never felt before in my life...
Bones adapt (to a certain degree) to the stress they're facing regularly. Take people running barefoot, professionnal athletes etc..you can litteraly identify the activity a person practised over years just by looking at the way their skeleton is !
But not through microfractures! Those make bones weaker
@@alexkozliayev9902 yes the microfracture explanation seems to be too simplistic, but there seems to be something real with bone conditioning translatable to martial arts. What could the explanations be?
This is how I've learned...stress stimulates calcium absorption making the bones denser. I'm not from a medical background though.
@@alexharrisson5926 as far as i know running, jumping, weight lifting will increase bone mass and bone sturdiness. While athletes are young their body can recover from beating hard surfaces, but as they get older than thirty body start to recover more slowly and their bones may and up weaker than in a person who don't do such "conditioning"
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Hardening training is less about numbing or killing the nerves in your skin, it's more about 3 factors:
1. The more your central nervous system experiences a specific sort of pain or pain in a specific spot on your body, it starts toning down your pain reaction to it, so you feel it less painful
2. The raised amound of stress on your muscle, your ligaments, tendons and bone due to repeated impact will indeed cause your body to grow then stronger
3. It's a mixture of building mental fortitute and also pushing your commitement, kind of 'consumer satisfaction' or 'sunken cost'. If you decided to inflict pain on yourself, your barrier of 'nope, I'm out!' afterwards is raised significantly so it opens you mentally for harder, more intense training
While 1. and 2. are very long term things (compared to sore muscle healing up and being stronger afterwards, tendons and ligaments take weeks of repeated stress to grow and bones even month but even just 'simple' strength training will indeed lead to your bones becoming thicker and denser over month and years), 3 is a very short term thing which will indeed raise how invested you are.
Honestly thought the basketball was real at first. Jesus!
11:46 I'm not the first person in the comments to mention this but yes, your body does adapt to repeated conditioning. Anybody who's exercised and experienced the plateau effect knows that. But that's about muscular microfractures. Bone microfractures are different. Essentially, it's you deadening your sensitivity to pain by destroying your pain receptors. You can't feel the pain? Then you can go harder. And that definitely affects you mentally.
Dammit Sensei😆had me thinkin ya had mad hoops for a sec
Would love seeing you and Mike do this.
I train Chow Gar Southern Mantis and conditioning is a major part of the style. We condition pretty much every part of the body, anywhere we attack on others we condition on ourselves, and at the highest levels testicle and penis retraction comes in. And it's real I've witnessed it. Crazy hard but awesome, brutal and practical.
Monks are allowed to use lawn mowers but only 36 times a year
I'm enjoying this very much as well and what he said about the boring stuff spending more time that's kind of similar to like going to the gym your body won't improve won't get bigger or healthier faster or whatever unless you spend more time in the gym doing whatever it is you're specifically doing if it's lifting weights or whatever
To me its like if you dont have the patience to shovel some gravel life is going to hit you that much harder.
Imagine if David Goggins did conditioning of shins or something, bro would turn into steel
“The downstairs mix-up…”
I’m loving the Old Gregg reference!
I got an ad when you got the sponsorship break, and when I came back you were doing your own coupon code break
I've listened to a few speeches and conversations with Shi Heng Yi, and they're all informative and inspirational
okay, first of all, even though i have some knowledge and use a bit of medical language, i am not a medical doctor myself.
i've explained that bit quite a few time now so to get into it...
i will be talking here about multiple types of conditioning such as bone conditioning and skin conditioning. first i'll talk abstractly about how you can cause a desired effect toward conditioning of a tissue, then i'll get into the practical side of it.
to clarify what is conditioning, any form of conditioning has two main goals: to increase the resilience of the targeted tissue to externally caused injuries (impact, abrasion and so on), and to increase the tolerance to pain (from lower feeling of pain and/or higher psychological pain tolerance).
to make the skin more resilient, the two methods are to expose it to abrasion and to place load onto that skin, it will first cause a thickening of the skin, then progressive calcification. skin calcification can cause numbness and even loss of tactile feeling in the part, so it is generally considered as undesirable in those days and ages even for very passionate practitioners. for knuckle you can do things as simple as hitting a makiwara board or sand bag bare handed, or doing knuckle pushups on an unpleasant surface. other body parts may require more creativity, but hitting repeatedly with medium strength a target that has a rough surface or directly rubbing the skin with coarse salt (like in some traditional methods) will lead to tougher skin. it is important to avoid rupturing the skin as it will slow or even alt progression of that conditioning, scar tissues are for the most part weaker than normal skin. abrasion of the skin until it gets blood red and small drops of blood are sipping through is okay, but anything further is inefficient.
what's good about pain is that you can simply get psychologically used to it, so i'll sum up that aspect of pain management as "just do painful things and get used to it, duh..."
when it comes to reducing the pain felt now, there's only one way, and it is to reduce the capability of the body part to feel. repetitive hitting with hard objects will progressively deaden the nerves. all sorts of traditional methods work, like bunching together small metal rods or sticks and gently wacking the body part. it will progressively lead to a reduced capability to feel pain in the tissues you are hitting. as an adverse effect it may lead to reduced feelings in that part altogether.
and to finish it up, toughening bones can only ever be done through the marvelous principle called "wolf's law". the way the metabolism around the bones balance itself out and is influenced by external factor leads to bones changing shape and density to adapt to load they are continuously submitted to. anything that trains your skeletal muscle is loading your bones just as much, and by increasing the strength of your muscle it also increase their ability to pull on your bones, generating a secondary load on them. for those previous reasons, your bone toughness will always be proportional to your muscle strength. by standing up your toughen your femurs and other bones of your legs, that's as simple as that. if you often walk around while carrying heavy thing, you'll toughen all bones of your leg further. pushups toughen your arms, knuckle pushups by loading your weight in an otherwise unusual way on your hand toughen some of those bones too. a funny uncommon one: at high level, skiing toughen the shins because it involves leaning your weight against the hard shoes. but anyways, short version is: do weight training for your bones. any method that revolves around hitting thing is absolutely inefficient at increasing bone toughness because the load is reduced (since you are not hitting full force), and the continuity of the load is non-existent. applying radial force to a bone in such a way could progressively lead it to take a curved shape to adapt, like an arch directed toward those habitual impacts, but then just standing up on your legs would increase the load on the inside of the curve and decrease it on the outside because of the flexibility, leading, once again, because of wolf's law, to a stimulated growth inside of the curve and decreased growth outside of the curve, thus straightening the bone as if it was predestined to have this shape...
now the big mistake that leads to many injuries is people doing traditional methods of conditioning, which, as i explained before, mostly target pain tolerance, without having increased the toughness of their tissues through other methods. resulting on being able to endure the pain of impacts that your tissues cannot resist. basically, an easy recipe for fast injuries.
this part is purely my opinion based on my personal experience. pain tolerance is highly overrated, you don't need to be impervious to pain, you only need to be resistant enough. and honestly, it doesn't take much at all to not notice pain under pressure and injure yourself without feeling it. just training at high intensity is enough to realize, it's only afterward that you notice how you bumped or hurt yourself so many times.
the exercises i personally use and recommend are: knuckle pushups, bare knuckle on a sandbag (with controlled strength to not injure the wrist), and of course the holly muscle training to load dem' bones. i see no issue either with makiwara board as long as it goes hand in hand with "loading those fucking bones".
You need to collab with Ranton. He will tell you about ins and outs of shaolin
15:30 china banned the practice of non-demonstration martial arts for a couple centuries so yes, everything which survived was essentially adapted for "internal growth" and shows (which were VERY popular in XVIII and XIX centuries). It's very unfortunate but at least we have some surviving late Ming military manuals/treaties (which include some bullshit as well of course, that's not unique to China though, European manual of E. Pascha for example has what's essentially "show drills" too, and basically the whole XIX century english "quarterstaff" where you hold it in the middle is explicitly for conditioning reasons).
Sensei have you ever heard of 52 blocks boxing or jailhouse Rock Boxing want to know your thoughts or Icy Mikes thoughts
That'd be a sick vid
You should hit up rayton and do a video. You could even give him a heads up on what to expect for season two of ultimate self defense championship
You missed the point with the glass. The point of that exercise is to throw the needle through the glass WITHOUT breaking the glass. To throw it so perfectly straight that it creates a teeny tiny hole in the glass before popping the balloon
Sensei Seth I think you should go train with that master. I think it will change your life.
Seth, the balloon is on the other side of the glass so when it pops, you can tell the glass broke even though it’s clear and hard to see.
You mentioned the "downstairs mixup" clearly an "ol greg" Boosh reference. I love that!
Seth, you could ask Jesse (the karate nerd), he was there and had done a video.
Ranton about to go totally nuts
Ranton is not an expert, he's a youtuber. Shi Heng Yi has actual legitimate training.
@@AztecUnshaven Ranton also has legitimate training, he lived and trained at the temple and was a full time, Shaolin Monk before beginning on youtube.
You are right to say he is not a master because he also says this, but he also has legitimate training.
Ranton had legitimate contemporary wushu training.
@@dashofdinosaur He spent most of his time doing modern wushu routines. Very different from old Shaolin combative methods or the Shaolin Sanda program.
By contrast, Shi Heng Yi has a wealth of experience with several real Shaolin boxing teachers that live outside the Temple, as well as cross training in Yang Taijiquan with Adam Mizner.
@AztecUnshaven Ranton can still provide legitimate insight into the practices of the temple and their programs, but you're also correct that he would not be considered an expert. The point is that it would be a fun collaboration between two martial arts content creators. No need to take it so seriously
You can also look into Ranton. He was a shaolin monk for 3 years, and in most of these videos that are marketed as "shaolin monks", they are infact not shaolin monks, they would be smaller school and disciplines from around the area who model themselves after the shaolin temple.
Read an humorous article about such schools and it stated that calling them "rowdy" would be understatement. Especially with relations with other schools which tended to be quite hot. As in local taxi driver hands out baseball bats when students of different schools meet. Just to make it more interesting. Also said that training is real tough.
I think the point of the balloon is to provide visual proof that the needle went through. Especially for those watching at a distance.
And... we would love to see Sensei Seth visit the Shaolin Temple in Europe and train under Master Shi Heng Yi right guys? 😊
Yes, that would be the day, when I finally get my lazy bones there too 😊
36 chambers Wu TANGG!!!
First, also;
I like that you're trying new martial arts, and watching others do them, as both a project and for your own personal growth! So many martial artists get pigeon holed into one thing and miss the beauty of what the wide variety of the world can give them. The advice the Shaolin practitioner gave is great and is a mindset more people need to keep in mind.
You need to collaborate with Ranton
Yes. I was about to comment the same thing, haha
Ranton has spared Shi Heng Yi so far as his training was also more external and "showy" Kung Fu.
I just want to appreciate this basketball editing....like duuuuudddee i thought it was real at first glance
I'd be curious to see what Ranton has to say about this video. You two should do a collab!
The intros already funnier than the 'fails' video I just watched! Keep tth faith Master Seth, wan luv y
Love it, when the Kaz speech kicked in it cracked me up. 🤣 The Shaolin monks played them LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE!!!
I second that raise for the editor that was PIFF🔥🔥🔥🔥
“36 chambers” is the greatest album in music history.
Fun video- love your reactions and the inserts.
Wow!
There are so many awesome things the Shaolin monks do that is awesome!
Not nerves, not micro fractures. Tis fear that conditioning removes. not mental fear, subconscious fear that resides in the body itself.
Shout out to all the other Alpha Chads that are already subscribed
Micro fractures would be bad, but the regular impact will cause the body to grow denser bone and muscle tissue as well as deafening the nerves and adjusting the mind to pain itself (like building tolerance).
If you're going to start this kind of conditioning, listen to your body. Only go as hard as you feel comfortable, the tolerance for the pain will increase on it's own and you will be able to go harder at a later date. If you try to go too hard too fast you can injure yourself and this is definitely not the goal. And the conditioning doesn't last forever. Don't think you can take a break and come back to the same level, it is highly likely that you will sustain undesirable damage.
Yooo, I died at the round kicks (or whatever it was), oh, oh boy, and then Zach with the “oh geez” edit 😂🤣 made my day lol
Shaolin monk: you will experience the pain like never before
Icy mike: say that again mofo
I will pay $100 dollars for every man who tries balls kicking
I trained in Shaolin, specifically Hua Quan. I can answer some questions.
A lot of the time, they theatrics are for training only, the idea is to go to the most extreme place with any technique because if you can do it flawless at its most extreme version, you can do the practical version in a blink. So for example, a bicycle kick, or double front kick, you would train to jump, and kick as high as humanly possible while keeping form. And than you would learn to channel that into the practical version which is a very rapid, double front kick, where your shoulders shouldn't budge from their original position, with both kicks, impacting while the other is planted for maximum force.
My first mma gym had a wingchun instructor, and we did that partner forearm conditioning.
As for the lawnmower, idk if they can either, but in theory, even though the machine is doing the cutting, the person still has to push/pull/guide it in the direction required, and they can have a rough vibration that can tire muscles over extended periods. The main issue would be maintenance and gasoline. But if its easily accessible for tourists, im sure a mechanic can keep it maintained.
Being wrist locked thousands of times causes micro fractures in the joint. Growing more bone in repair ( not beneficial). My radial bone is 5 mm longer than it should be and now causes issues.the micro fractures thing is real, but it is not always a goodthing
I trained Kali & JKD for 6 yrs and conditioned my shins knees and elbows with the Kali sticks, I train jiu jitsu now and when shin hits shin I definitely feel it less than other guy….thx for another fun video…👍🤓🫶🏻
"Discomfortable" is not a word. 😬
Good singing brother woah black Betty!
Calcification, my dear Sensei, is quite the remarkable phenomenon indeed. It involves the accumulation of calcium within our precious body tissues, leading to a most intriguing consequence - the fortification of said tissues. Imagine this: when the delicate dance of damage and healing befalls our bones, not only do they mend, but they emerge even mightier at the very site of fracture. Quite the marvelous orchestration of nature's handiwork, wouldn't you agree?
The implication, and potentially a belief of the monks themselves, is that the needle travels through the glass to pop the balloon. Since slow mo was invented, I don't think anyone has video evidence of a needle passing cleanly through glass, and proceed forward to pop the balloon. In every case I've seen, the balloon gets popped by bits of glass coming from the window pane as it cracks. The needle is probably beefier than you're expecting.
These are just Show Demos. However, they often prove certain points. In this instance, the point is to develop enough acceleration, to be able to get that glass to react like that. Even with that same needle... a lot of others attempting the same feat, likely would fail. I once met a kid that learned how to throw a standard playing card... so fast, that it could penetrate a melon. I tried the same... and couldnt even get the card to move half as fast, nor a quarter of the distance. It requires a LOT of specific training, to get to that level of capability... and that is the main Point of these Demos. Showing the body is capable of things that are sort of "Super-Human" ... compared to the Average Joe... and even most of the top Elite Athletes.
Of course, most of these Demos were designed to be Impressive and Mystical feats, to entice public Donations, to the Begging Monks of the Pre-Industrial Era of China. This practice was also done with many other arts... to try to get new students into their schools.
re the 36 reference, everything in chinese martial arts and Chinese medicine is based on the numbers 3,6,9 and multiples there of.
The gravel moving could also be a way to humble people
Liking this video in hopes seth will buy youtube premium or get a gd ad blocker
I can give u an answer, by hitting or getting hit constantly, the skin that took the hit becomes sstimulated and starts to build up as counter measure against blunt trauma, so it becomes more thick. Its also a mental preparation yes and finally and most important, it somewhat kills your nerve cells at that area
What you see in this video is not old Monastic kung fu. Chairman Mao re-wrote Chinese culture and history during the cultural revolution. He saw Buddhist traditions as a significant threat to communism. Monks and temples were actively targeted for persecution and destruction. What Mao could not destroy he corrupted. What we see as modern “Shaolin Kung Fu” today contains very little of the pre-communist monastic Kung Fu. In stead it is mainly Chinese opera and acrobatics.
To find real “old monastic Kung Fu” the place to look is in the Chinese diaspora, in Taiwan, the USA, Hong Kong ,the UK, etc.
Note I am not saying that “modern shaolin monks” do not know any old monastic Kung Fu, just that it is not taught and demonstrated publicly.
Also, after that rendition of Black Betty, I want a new channel called Sensei Seth Sings.
The only actual Bone Conditioning science is Wolff's law, which states that bones grow stronger and bigger when under a load, IE strength training, Deadening the nerves is also a real thing
As for kicking your average banana tree, I would assume that as most of the documented fighters kicking trees are kind of skinny, that the resistance of the tree against their kicks also makes them a bit stronger overall, which is why it was popularized as "bone conditioning" (my own theory)
Just do your Squats, Presses and Pulls. IMO
Shi has also some nice TED talks and been on German television a bit. I like his work a lot eventhough I am nowadays in the Wudang-corner. But I always enjoy mixing in some Shaolin, karate or something else from time to time.
By the way, I'm not sure that the pain to be achieved by the cupboard door is the same as the pain from the fasces, but I could be mistaken. Could be like the difference of being hit with arnies or a shinai perhaps?
Maybe on a glass half fuller outlook the wax on wax off, and painting the fence are just to weed out the ones who are just looking to be flashy and maaybe some extra free care to the temple XD
In the daoist philosophy, 36 is the ultimate Yin number (from yin and yang) while 81 is the ultimate Yang number.
Call him sensei khalid, he brought us another one!😂
They didn't want you to have another one.
Stuart McGill talks about bone callousing, in regards to back injuries.
There is actually a scientific way for bones to get not bigger but denser with small fractures, It's called "wolf's law" if i recall. does this training help do that? I don't know to me it looks like it would kill the nerves of the skin and maybe cause some internal bruising rather than strengthen the bones. But hey, I'm no expert.
Monks can totally use lawn mowers, lol. Good question.
Maybe Wu-Tang clan enter the 36 chambers? lol, j/k
Genuinely the most painful thing I've ever experienced, which I'm not sure a lot of people have but if you know, you know is a Dental Abscess. Literally cripplingly painful
Jesse trained under Shi Heng Yi and noticed how different the mechanics of Chinese martial arts, shaolin specifically, is compared to karate. Their conditioning training is absolutely brutal but definitely helps them develop their bodies to have what’s called the iron shirt.
Also, I attended a shaolin demonstration in Switzerland when I was 9-10 yrs old at the United Nations
visualizing your thoughts through text is really nice. Don't know if you wrote it or the editor, but if its from you its even better
Dr Chris Raynor has a video about the bone thing, i think it was his punching video.
Dude!! Straight up! Can you find out about the micro fracture thing??!! What a mythbusters that would be.. bro.. do it
All that crazy Joe Rogan shit where the people who climb trees have extended or palm like toes n shit.. Rey Mysterio G booyaka
I'm not sure if you've ever had a kidney stone or abscessed tooth but those can hurt on a tier that is indescribable. I've had both, for the record.
just listening to this shaolin dude is really motivational.
but PLEASE PLEASE go visit him! his perspective is quite expansive in shaolin. doesn't feel 'fake' at all.
@YesTheory seems like a channel based on "Type II Fun" - something that isn't fun while it's happening, but is in retrospect.
Thumbs up for why are we still here sound clip
Have had kidney stones. Check mate Shaolin master.
I kinda want Ranton's view on it. I mean, hung gar rings in a shaolin kung fu event, srlsly?
Id love to see Seth go to this place.
Bro I love that you keep up with the sumo stuff. I liked those vids.
Looking for that magical sponsor to do shaolin kung fu lessons?
I've said it before, Shaolin is good stuff, but the fighting techniques are nothing unusual. Most asian martial arts techniques oginate in Shaolin after all. It's all in the conditioning. And that requires a ton of time that most of us don't have. When I was seriously good, I didn't have a life. I met a girl, got a "real job" and had kids. I'm happier, but younger me was a lot tougher.
It's also why most kung fu schools suck. Noone wants to go through that training. It's boring, it hurts, and the rewards are a while down the road.
If you wanna delve more into Shaolin you GOTTA do a colab with Ranton man! DEW IT!