Fanfiction of Hollywood: Helen loves Paris Homer's Story: When Helen had put this drug in the bowl, and had told the servants to serve the wine round, she said: . “Menelaus, son of Atreus, and you my good friends, sons of honourable men (which is as Jove wills, for he is the giver both of good and evil, and can do what he chooses), feast here as you will, and listen while I tell you a tale in season. I cannot indeed name every single one of the exploits of Ulysses, but I can say what he did when he was before Troy, and you Achaeans were in all sorts of difficulties. He covered himself with wounds and bruises, dressed himself all in rags, and entered the enemy’s city looking like a menial or a beggar, and quite different from what he did when he was among his own people. In this disguise he entered the city of Troy, and no one said anything to him. I alone recognised him and began to question him, but he was too cunning for me. When, however, I had washed and anointed him and had given him clothes, and after I had sworn a solemn oath not to betray him to the Trojans till he had got safely back to his own camp and to the ships, he told me all that the Achaeans meant to do. He killed many Trojans and got much information before he reached the Argive camp, for all which things the Trojan women made lamentation, but for my own part I was glad, for my heart was beginning to yearn after my home, and I was unhappy about the wrong that Venus had done me in taking me over there, away from my country, my girl, and my lawful wedded husband, who is indeed by no means deficient either in person or understanding.” - The Odyssey by Homer, Book IV
Why the hell are the Trojans cheering for Paris and Hector's return? They were sent to Sparta for the express purpose of securing peace. Instead, they return bringing war with all of Greece. Their mission is, by definition, a catastrophic failure. You don't throw a parade for that.
@@pinkk92 "So Alexios, are we still doing this parade or what? I mean we sent these two idiots to make peace with our enemy, instead they brought a whole bunch of more enemies" "Shut up Lysandros, we already put the non-refundable deposits down with the parade planner. We're doing it"
The music is beautiful when Hector and Paris enter the city of Troy. This is one of the best movies about the ancient empires of the world ever made. Eric Bana played Hector so well.
Visuals are good, but the script at least in this scene is pretty bad - just banalities or unnaturally stiff lines. No wonder it was cut, although it was a shame we missed the introductions of Briseis and... Hector's wife.
Helen of Sparta was known widely for her beauty. There's no denying her graceful apparence. But Briseis and Andromache also both had their charm. Beauty in women can be found in all forms. Brunette or blonde, blue eyed or hazel eyed, women can be beauties whatever.
It's amazing they were welcomed so warmly considering they knew what would happen next. They went on a peace mission and brought back the worst war imaginable.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but am I the only one whose favorite female Troy character is crown princess Andromache, the wife of Hector? Queen Helena of course is the epitome of grace and beauty (also a mature enough woman to know what's bound to happen...her longing for true love just overcomes her reason). Briseis is the embodiment of a young idealistic, strong-willed princess with a truly pretty face. Andromache however is everything: Extremely clever and far-sighted, loyal yet self-confident, lovely but also tough, outstandingly beautiful - *love **#SaffronDominiBurrows* - but never vain. That woman would've made a fantastic Queen, not to mention a life-long dream team with Hector! 😩 ... Now that I think about it, Andromache is the one real loser in this whole tragedy. The one character who hadn't done anything wrong, yet lost almost everything in the end!
@@arliesam217 but she lost him too..a whole country was destroyed for nothing.People's hopes were shattered and a family with no guilt was destroyed, they paid the heaviest price.(Hector,Andromache and Astyanax)
She was beautiful but because of her a great Kingdom fell. Hector was killed and the father/ruler was slayen. She brought tragedy and death. Paris was a fool!
@@banedelacruz8378 the fools are you that describe your real history on the base of a fake story done by discussing directors that never make movies describing the real story of OUR BEAUTIFUL HISTORY ...AT LIST WHAT CAN YOU DO TELL THEM IS NOT THE REAL STORY.....THE GODDESS HELEN OF TROY NEVER CAUSED A TRAGEDY .....SHOULDN'T BE DESCRIBED FOR HER OUTSIDE BEAUTY BUT FOR THE BEAUTY OF HER SOUL....THA IS NEVER TOLD AND TALKED ABOUT
And so adam was casted out of eden because of eve Isarael had fallen and went into chaos because of queen jezebel, wife of king ahab and so samson had fallen into chaos and torment because of delilah and...... troy has fallen and in ruins because of helen consorting with paris women women women tsk tsk tsk
Peter O'Toole is my favorite actor of all time and this was the first time I saw him on the big screen!!! Hands down the BEST King Priam!!! RIP Peter - thanks for all the great memories I had watching you on both the big and small screens before you left us.😢 Side note: this was also my introduction to Rose Byrne, who I REALLY hope to work with one day!
Yes...he welcomes the whore who started a war that destroyed his kingdom. Fortunately the real Greek story has the subplot about the Grèk gods starting and manipulating the war, so at least the Trojan weren't just stupid and doomed their country for some ass.
And unlike this fanfiction, Helen supports the Greeks to invade Troy As if a girl like Helen would want a loser like Paris. Cleopatra chose, powerful warriors like Julius Caesar and Mark Antony When Helen had put this drug in the bowl, and had told the servants to serve the wine round, she said: "Menelaus, son of Atreus, and you my good friends, sons of honourable men (which is as Jove wills, for he is the giver both of good and evil, and can do what he chooses), feast here as you will, and listen while I tell you a tale in season. I cannot indeed name every single one of the exploits of Ulysses, but I can say what he did when he was before Troy, and you Achaeans were in all sorts of difficulties. He covered himself with wounds and bruises, dressed himself all in rags, and entered the enemy's city looking like a menial or a beggar. and quite different from what he did when he was among his own people. In this disguise he entered the city of Troy, and no one said anything to him. I alone recognized him and began to question him, but he was too cunning for me. When, however, I had washed and anointed him and had given him clothes, and after I had sworn a solemn oath not to betray him to the Trojans till he had got safely back to his own camp and to the ships, he told me all that the Achaeans meant to do. He killed many Trojans and got much information before he reached the Argive camp, for all which things the Trojan women made lamentation, but for my own part I was glad, for my heart was beginning to oam after my home, and I was unhappy about wrong that Venus had done me in taking me over there, away from my country, my girl, and my lawful wedded husband, who is indeed by no means deficient either in person or understanding." - odyssey by homer - book IV
He was wise enough to not directly accusing his son and second heir in front of the court, but you can immediately realized he was both schocked and angered. You never wash your family's dirty clothes in front of everyone. Also Hector was with them, so it hoped he could have given him in a second moment a justification for that insane decision from Paris
@@TheUrobolos He doesn't seem shocked or angry at all to me. If so, he hides it very well. He's so calm and friendly you can see Helen relax and start smiling. Very strange reaction, but it's been ages since I saw this, so maybe he has a stronger reaction in a later scene.
Several points about "Troy" (one of my favorite films): 1. The set design for the city of Troy is MAGNIFICENT! I don't know how historically accurate it is -- and I don't care. 2. "Troy" is one of the best-cast films EVER. Peter O'Toole is PERFECT as Priam; his scene with Achilles all by itself should have easily won him the Best Supporting Actor Oscar. Eric Bana is, as always, a WONDERFUL actor. (THIS, Hollywood gentlemen, is how you embody the word "manly" without overdoing it.) Sean Bean left me wishing that someone would cast him in a first-rate film of "The Odyssey". Even Julie Christie, in her one scene as Thetis, makes an indelible impression. 3. People who remark on how "Troy" changed the Greek myths on which it was based should remember that the Greeks themselves had multiple versions of their sacred stories. In one version, the entity who leaves Sparta with Paris ISN'T actually Helen, but a phantom duplicate of her; the real Helen is spirited away to Egypt, where she sits out the war in peace, and eventually hooks up with Menelaus (who is VERY different from his avatar in this film) and returns to Sparta with him.
Historically, it’s pretty accurate with what we’ve (we=human race) found. Minus the trench dug around the city, but that wasn’t discovered until 2005 or 2006, and this movie came out in 2004 so it gets a pass for that.
And I think Diane Kruger deserves her due for being the best Helen. She wasn't even supposed to be in the film at first (early plans had her as an offscreen character, the idea being that no one could live up to "the face that launched a thousand ships") but rather than just being a symbol, there's a proper character here. She's a woman who knowingly helps start a war but you can't help but feel for her for how she was treated like property all her life, and the one thing that ever brought her joy is also what condemns hundreds of other people. You may not like her or agree with her actions, but you always understand her, and it's impossible not to feel for her as she herself feels the guilt for what she's caused.
i think its rather amazing how the women in those days looked and dressed better than me 😅 would love to ask helen where she got those earings....and who was her hairdresser...
You just know when Priam here’s “Helen” and he finishes with a concerned look, “Helen of Sparta” ie: he knows instantly who that is. He instantly knows this is bad, and that War is coming
Helen of Troy had the ideal, perfect beauty. Blond hair, blue eyes, light skin ... daughter of Zeus, with the same beauty as Aphrodite or more. No woman could match her, no man could escape her charm, not even Priamus. She charmed all men equally. Her husband Menelaus was desperate to get her back. Helen of Troy means desire and war .... mean.
Helen of Troy had the ideal female beauty. Long blonde hair, sparkling blue eyes, perfect face and statuesque body. She was even extremely most gorgeous and admirable than the own goddess of beauty Aphrodite in her own prime.❤
The classical Greek idea of female beauty probably didn't include blonde hair though, their world was a Mediterranean one and didn't include the tribes of modetn Germany abd Denmark.
@@lw3646Yes, you are right, but in the modern world today, there are many latin and mediterranean beauty icons with blonde hair and light eyes as the own nordic beauty like the gorgeous italian diva Carla Gravina and the angelic brazilian model and actress Isabella Santoni for example.
Diane Kruger is such a beautiful woman, as well as being a great actress and an excellent choice for Helen of Troy. Despite limited screentime she's brings a lot of humanity to the role, the guilt she feels of the chaos she brought with her. It angers me that almost every critic review at the time of the film's release say Diane wasn't pretty enough for the role. I understand she may not be everyone's type, but that was horrible, how much prettier did they expect her to be? And even now she's pushing 50 and still looks the same.
Looking back at this scene, it truly is sad that an entire civilization destroyed over a woman. Helen, the face that launched a thousand ships. It is honesty sad. And I’m sorry but if I was the King of Troy and saw that my foolish son brought the Queen of Sparta to Troy, I would do exactly this. “Everyone leave except my sons and Helen. Now.” Once alone, I would backhand Paris right across his face then throw him to the ground telling him, “You are no longer my son the moment you brought Helen away from Sparta, causing war when I have fought for peace longer than you have been alive. Helen is getting back on a ship to Sparta and if that is not enough and war still comes against Troy then I will let them have you to ensure Peace. I will not let Troy burn for this one woman.” Then I would have them both locked up in a cell then drop them at the feet of the enemy and tell them, “Do what you want with them and leave Troy with peace between us. I will not let all of Troy suffer for their foolishness.” Thanks for uploading.
Like I'm so confused why Priam aint try to send her back. The trip to Sparta was for peace. Your son came back with the Kings wife, the Queen of Sparta. According to Hector, Priam worked very for peace...so what happened? F*** peace? Drinks all around?😅
You argue 'well her husband could've let things be and married someone else' and then you remember 'it's his honour we're talking about'. You argue 'well how is it honourable to go to your brother to ask for every army in Greece when you already have an army of your own' and then you remember the oath of the quartered horse her suitors all took to fight for her chosen husband. But even when you're reminded of the answer to both questions the questions still stay in your mind.
When Helen had put this drug in the bowl, and had told the servants to serve the wine round, she said: “Menelaus, son of Atreus, and you my good friends, sons of honourable men (which is as Jove wills, for he is the giver both of good and evil, and can do what he chooses), feast here as you will, and listen while I tell you a tale in season. I cannot indeed name every single one of the exploits of Ulysses, but I can say what he did when he was before Troy, and you Achaeans were in all sorts of difficulties. He covered himself with wounds and bruises, dressed himself all in rags, and entered the enemy’s city looking like a menial or a beggar, and quite different from what he did when he was among his own people. In this disguise he entered the city of Troy, and no one said anything to him. I alone recognised him and began to question him, but he was too cunning for me. When, however, I had washed and anointed him and had given him clothes, and after I had sworn a solemn oath not to betray him to the Trojans till he had got safely back to his own camp and to the ships, he told me all that the Achaeans meant to do. He killed many Trojans and got much information before he reached the Argive camp, for all which things the Trojan women made lamentation, but for my own part I was glad, for my heart was beginning to yearn after my home, and I was unhappy about the wrong that Venus had done me in taking me over there, away from my country, my girl, and my lawful wedded husband, who is indeed by no means deficient either in person or understanding.” - The Odyssey by Homer, Book IV Helen could have denounced Ulysses, but she didn't because she wanted to go home.
@@davidmanners9076 yes, but beautiful nonetheless.. I think steoeotypes (man taller than woman)etc will go away with time . Of course, not everyone is Tom Cruise, but it will become more common with time.. just my opinion.
Brilliant movie. Casted perfectly. My Aussie brother Eric Bana outshone Pitt overall although it was one of Pitt’s better performances. The challenge of Achilles and Hector before Priam and his walls was superbly choreographed and edited. Helen was casted well too, another Aussie 🙂, she was beautiful. Minelaus had some greatly performed scenes as well. Don’t really think it got the credit it deserved.
Helena de Tróia tinha a beleza feminina ideal. Longo cabelo louro, olhos azuis brilhantes, rosto perfeito e corpo escultural. Ela era até mesmo extremamente mais deslumbrante e admirável do que a própria deusa da beleza Afrodite em seu auge.❤
When Helen had put this drug in the bowl, and had told the servants to serve the wine round, she said: “Menelaus, son of Atreus, and you my good friends, sons of honourable men (which is as Jove wills, for he is the giver both of good and evil, and can do what he chooses), feast here as you will, and listen while I tell you a tale in season. I cannot indeed name every single one of the exploits of Ulysses, but I can say what he did when he was before Troy, and you Achaeans were in all sorts of difficulties. He covered himself with wounds and bruises, dressed himself all in rags, and entered the enemy’s city looking like a menial or a beggar, and quite different from what he did when he was among his own people. In this disguise he entered the city of Troy, and no one said anything to him. I alone recognised him and began to question him, but he was too cunning for me. When, however, I had washed and anointed him and had given him clothes, and after I had sworn a solemn oath not to betray him to the Trojans till he had got safely back to his own camp and to the ships, he told me all that the Achaeans meant to do. He killed many Trojans and got much information before he reached the Argive camp, for all which things the Trojan women made lamentation, but for my own part I was glad, for my heart was beginning to yearn after my home, and I was unhappy about the wrong that Venus had done me in taking me over there, away from my country, my girl, and my lawful wedded husband, who is indeed by no means deficient either in person or understanding.” - The Odyssey by Homer, Book IV Helen could have denounced Ulysses, but she didn't because she wanted to go home.
@@user-cc8fe3pe4p A lesson left in the Melian Dialogue: The just, in discussions between men, only prevails when the interests of both sides are compatible, and that the strong exercise power and the weak submit. Menelaus and agamemnon had the power to impose their will like so many imperialists and it was crazy to challenge them.
Paris and Helen were under the spell of Aphrodite, it should have been explained earlier. She promised him the most beautiful woman in the world and that was Helen
Troy fell because of sheer ignorance! They had every advantage you could imagine and they still could not defeat the Greeks. I guess you could say the beauty of a woman was Troy's Achilles heel!
In the Illyad the war would had ended much sooner if Agamennon didnt angered Achilles. The dude can legit solo's armies in the book, and no Trojan was a match for him
The problem when a fanfiction becomes a film and ignores the logic of the story. Helen never loved Paris, she was Aphrodite's award given to him for being chosen as the most beautiful. She was angry that she was taken against her will. "Goddess, why do you wish to deceive me so? Are you going to take me still further off, [400] to some well populated city somewhere in Phrygia or beautiful Maeonia, because you're in love with some mortal man and Menelaus has just beaten Paris and wants to take me, a despised woman, 450 back home with him? Is that why you're here, you and your devious trickery? Why don't you go with Paris by yourself, stop walking around here like a goddess, stop directing your feet toward Olympus, and lead a miserable life with him, caring for him, until he makes you his wife [410] or slave. I won't go to him in there - that would be shameful, serving him in bed. Every Trojan woman would revile me afterwards. 460 Besides, my heart is hurt enough already." (Iliad - Book III) Helen had contempt for Paris and considered him a coward. "You've come back from the fight. How I wish 480 you'd died there, killed by that strong warrior who was my husband once. You used to boast you were stronger than warlike Menelaus, [430] more strength in your hands, more power in your spear. So go now, challenge war-loving Menelaus to fight again in single combat. I'd suggest you stay away. Don't fight it out man to man with red-haired Menelaus, without further thought. You might well die, come to a quick end on his spear." 490 Replying to Helen, Paris said: "Wife, don't mock my courage with your insults. Yes, Menelaus has just defeated me, but with Athena's help. Next time I'll beat him. [440] For we have gods on our side, too. But come, let's enjoy our love together on the bed. Never has desire so filled my mind as now, not even when I first took you away from lovely Lacedaemon, sailing off in our sea-worthy ships, or when I lay with you 500 in our lover's bed on the isle of Cranae. That's how sweet passion has seized hold of me, how much I want you now." (Iliad- Book III) Helen had respect for the hector she considered a worthy man, but contempt for the coward of Paris. She wanted to return to Sparta with Menelaus. "Hector, you are my brother, and I'm a horrible, conniving bitch. I wish that on that day my mother bore me some evil wind had come, carried me away, and swept me off, up into the mountains, or into waves of the tumbling, crashing sea, 430 then I would have died before this happened. But since gods have ordained these evil things, I wish I'd been wife to a better man, [350] someone sensitive to others' insults, with feeling for his many shameful acts. This husband of mine has no sense now, and he won't acquire any in the future. I expect he'll get from that what he deserves. But come in, sit on this chair, my brother, since this trouble really weighs upon your mind- 440 all because I was a bitch-because of that and Paris' folly, Zeus gives us an evil fate, so we may be subjects for men's songs in generations yet to come." (Iliad - Book VI)
I don’t blame Helen in the original story. It’s Paris and Aphrodite’s fault. Helen would have been loyal to her husband if that goddess and that damn prince didn’t hypnotize her.
Hector: dad next time you send me off on a diplomatic mission for peace, just send me alone.
There is no next time unfortunately. 😂
3:26 i like how helen is having a friendly conversation with some random ass priests
Hector: I CANNOT BELIEVE Paris is my brother. *facepalms*
Dad: Kid this is it there ain't no next time
Frfr I just started watching the new Troy series
"Helen of Sparta?"
"Helen _of Troy_"
Priam: We'll talk about this later...
"Helen of Sparta"
"Helen of Troy"
ABANDON THE CITY...!!! :P :P :P
Fanfiction of Hollywood: Helen loves Paris
Homer's Story: When Helen had put this drug in the bowl, and had told the servants to serve the wine round, she said:
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“Menelaus, son of Atreus, and you my good friends, sons of honourable men (which is as Jove wills, for he is the giver both of good and evil, and can do what he chooses), feast here as you will, and listen while I tell you a tale in season. I cannot indeed name every single one of the exploits of Ulysses, but I can say what he did when he was before Troy, and you Achaeans were in all sorts of difficulties. He covered himself with wounds and bruises, dressed himself all in rags, and entered the enemy’s city looking like a menial or a beggar, and quite different from what he did when he was among his own people. In this disguise he entered the city of Troy, and no one said anything to him. I alone recognised him and began to question him, but he was too cunning for me. When, however, I had washed and anointed him and had given him clothes, and after I had sworn a solemn oath not to betray him to the Trojans till he had got safely back to his own camp and to the ships, he told me all that the Achaeans meant to do. He killed many Trojans and got much information before he reached the Argive camp, for all which things the Trojan women made lamentation, but for my own part I was glad, for my heart was beginning to yearn after my home, and I was unhappy about the wrong that Venus had done me in taking me over there, away from my country, my girl, and my lawful wedded husband, who is indeed by no means deficient either in person or understanding.” - The Odyssey by Homer, Book IV
@@gwynplaineclancharlie4007 Still respect differs from love....
Hi before corona 😂
@@quangdo5039 She openly despises Paris in the Iliad
Why the hell are the Trojans cheering for Paris and Hector's return? They were sent to Sparta for the express purpose of securing peace. Instead, they return bringing war with all of Greece. Their mission is, by definition, a catastrophic failure. You don't throw a parade for that.
True😂😂😂
They had no idea Paris was bringing Helen home with him...until they saw her. Too late to cancel the parade lol.
@@pinkk92 "So Alexios, are we still doing this parade or what? I mean we sent these two idiots to make peace with our enemy, instead they brought a whole bunch of more enemies"
"Shut up Lysandros, we already put the non-refundable deposits down with the parade planner. We're doing it"
Excellent comment
As far as Troy knows, it's two princes (first sons) have returned.
Must be nice to walk into a room and everyone starts applauding.
😂😂😂
One of my classes did that for me when i came late to class😅
The Real Neal 🤪🤪🤪🤪😂😂😂😂😂
Can't relate 😳
Especially after you’ve doomed everyone into a gruesome death
The music is beautiful when Hector and Paris enter the city of Troy. This is one of the best movies about the ancient empires of the world ever made. Eric Bana played Hector so well.
The film was mistaken on how to faithfully represent the Bronze Age. Architecture, clothes, weapons, were different.
This film represents more faithfully what the Bronze Age was like.
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This film was shite.
Lies again? Wedding Divorce
Visuals are good, but the script at least in this scene is pretty bad - just banalities or unnaturally stiff lines. No wonder it was cut, although it was a shame we missed the introductions of Briseis and... Hector's wife.
Helen of Sparta was known widely for her beauty. There's no denying her graceful apparence.
But Briseis and Andromache also both had their charm. Beauty in women can be found in all forms. Brunette or blonde, blue eyed or hazel eyed, women can be beauties whatever.
Andromeda was meant to be the greatest beauty I think.
I honestly found Briseis to be more beautiful than Helen
Helen and Briseis are gorgeous. Andromache is very good looking too, just not much as Helen and Briseis.
Briseis > Helen
R.I.P Peter O'toole. King Priam.
RIP! 🙏🙏
Lawrence of Arabia
RIP
Wasn’t he also the food critic in Ratatouille?
And tiberius
It's amazing they were welcomed so warmly considering they knew what would happen next. They went on a peace mission and brought back the worst war imaginable.
The people didn’t know that Helen was was Helen
Probably an unpopular opinion, but am I the only one whose favorite female Troy character is crown princess Andromache, the wife of Hector? Queen Helena of course is the epitome of grace and beauty (also a mature enough woman to know what's bound to happen...her longing for true love just overcomes her reason). Briseis is the embodiment of a young idealistic, strong-willed princess with a truly pretty face. Andromache however is everything: Extremely clever and far-sighted, loyal yet self-confident, lovely but also tough, outstandingly beautiful - *love **#SaffronDominiBurrows* - but never vain. That woman would've made a fantastic Queen, not to mention a life-long dream team with Hector! 😩
... Now that I think about it, Andromache is the one real loser in this whole tragedy. The one character who hadn't done anything wrong, yet lost almost everything in the end!
At least they had a child together
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromache
Andromache was great and for me, the most beautiful of the three.
@@arliesam217 but she lost him too..a whole country was destroyed for nothing.People's hopes were shattered and a family with no guilt was destroyed, they paid the heaviest price.(Hector,Andromache and Astyanax)
@@defne542 your right
“The face that launched a thousand ships”.
oh she has that face....like Sarah in the Bible.
The Helen in the new Troy tv series ain’t got nothing on the original Helen
I am so in awe of her beauty. Unreal.
Please, Briseis is way prettier.
@@theprinceoftides6836 I don't think it's necessary to compare them. I really like Briseis (and Rose Byrne) and think she's beautiful as well.
please keep it in your pants
She was beautiful but because of her a great Kingdom fell. Hector was killed and the father/ruler was slayen.
She brought tragedy and death. Paris was a fool!
And so Adam was casted out because of eve
he indeed was
Was not a fool, just that he was not ready
@@banedelacruz8378 the fools are you that describe your real history on the base of a fake story done by discussing directors that never make movies describing the real story of OUR BEAUTIFUL HISTORY ...AT LIST WHAT CAN YOU DO TELL THEM IS NOT THE REAL STORY.....THE GODDESS HELEN OF TROY NEVER CAUSED A TRAGEDY .....SHOULDN'T BE DESCRIBED FOR HER OUTSIDE BEAUTY BUT FOR THE BEAUTY OF HER SOUL....THA IS NEVER TOLD AND TALKED ABOUT
And so adam was casted out of eden because of eve
Isarael had fallen and went into chaos because of queen jezebel, wife of king ahab
and so samson had fallen into chaos and torment because of delilah
and...... troy has fallen and in ruins because of helen consorting with paris
women women women
tsk tsk tsk
Peter O'Toole is my favorite actor of all time and this was the first time I saw him on the big screen!!! Hands down the BEST King Priam!!! RIP Peter - thanks for all the great memories I had watching you on both the big and small screens before you left us.😢
Side note: this was also my introduction to Rose Byrne, who I REALLY hope to work with one day!
Helen is pretty but I’ve always found Briseis to be gorgeous
Helen more beautiful
It's the accent she has over Helen.
All three are natural beauties. Helen, Briseis and Andromache. They all were beautiful ladies.
@@TheGrillCheeseFanatic and you are also very gorgeous and extremely sexy aswell, My dearest Erech. I love you so much, Baby.❤️🔥
Exactamundo. Nailed it.
This scence to me is just perfect. The score, acting, and beautiful setting. Just perfect
from now on I'm saying "for the gods" before doing a shot
Bloody heretic !
I prefer saying, "Skol". Before a drink.
that's a great idea lol
@@frankinsaneandmyrrh1202 no dats heracy greece now is Byzantine empire meaning no old gods only jesus Christ and orthodox church
Priam is a true hero. He accepts the arrival of Helen and even welcomes her as she is one of them.
Yes...he welcomes the whore who started a war that destroyed his kingdom. Fortunately the real Greek story has the subplot about the Grèk gods starting and manipulating the war, so at least the Trojan weren't just stupid and doomed their country for some ass.
And unlike this fanfiction, Helen supports the Greeks to invade Troy
As if a girl like Helen would want a loser like Paris. Cleopatra chose, powerful warriors like Julius Caesar and Mark Antony
When Helen had put this drug in the bowl, and had told the servants to serve the wine round, she said:
"Menelaus, son of Atreus, and you my good friends, sons of honourable men (which is as Jove wills, for he is the giver both of good and evil, and can do what he chooses), feast here as you will, and listen while I tell you a tale in season. I cannot indeed name every single one of the exploits of Ulysses, but I can say what he did when he was before Troy, and you Achaeans were in all sorts of difficulties. He covered himself with wounds and bruises, dressed himself all in rags, and entered the enemy's city looking like a menial or a beggar. and quite different from what he did when he was among his own people. In this disguise he entered the city of Troy, and no one said anything to him. I alone recognized him and began to question him, but he was too cunning for me. When, however, I had washed and anointed him and had given him clothes, and after I had sworn a solemn oath not to betray him to the Trojans till he had got safely back to his own camp and to the ships, he told me all that the Achaeans meant to do. He killed many Trojans and got much information before he reached the Argive camp, for all which things the Trojan women made lamentation, but for my own part I was glad, for my heart was beginning to oam after my home, and I was unhappy about wrong that Venus had done me in taking me over there, away from my country, my girl, and my lawful wedded husband, who is indeed by no means deficient either in person or understanding."
- odyssey by homer - book IV
Priam knows one thing, she was not from Troy.
He was wise enough to not directly accusing his son and second heir in front of the court, but you can immediately realized he was both schocked and angered. You never wash your family's dirty clothes in front of everyone. Also Hector was with them, so it hoped he could have given him in a second moment a justification for that insane decision from Paris
@@TheUrobolos He doesn't seem shocked or angry at all to me. If so, he hides it very well. He's so calm and friendly you can see Helen relax and start smiling. Very strange reaction, but it's been ages since I saw this, so maybe he has a stronger reaction in a later scene.
German beauty helen of troy ❤
Helen is Greek. She was a Spartan princess and later a queen
@@nanditamondal1033 He probably talks about the actress.
@@idymarcowe2347 oh l am sorry. I misunderstood
@@nanditamondal1033 No problem.
Diane Kruger
Several points about "Troy" (one of my favorite films):
1. The set design for the city of Troy is MAGNIFICENT! I don't know how historically accurate it is -- and I don't care.
2. "Troy" is one of the best-cast films EVER. Peter O'Toole is PERFECT as Priam; his scene with Achilles all by itself should have easily won him the Best Supporting Actor Oscar. Eric Bana is, as always, a WONDERFUL actor. (THIS, Hollywood gentlemen, is how you embody the word "manly" without overdoing it.) Sean Bean left me wishing that someone would cast him in a first-rate film of "The Odyssey". Even Julie Christie, in her one scene as Thetis, makes an indelible impression.
3. People who remark on how "Troy" changed the Greek myths on which it was based should remember that the Greeks themselves had multiple versions of their sacred stories. In one version, the entity who leaves Sparta with Paris ISN'T actually Helen, but a phantom duplicate of her; the real Helen is spirited away to Egypt, where she sits out the war in peace, and eventually hooks up with Menelaus (who is VERY different from his avatar in this film) and returns to Sparta with him.
Historically, it’s pretty accurate with what we’ve (we=human race) found. Minus the trench dug around the city, but that wasn’t discovered until 2005 or 2006, and this movie came out in 2004 so it gets a pass for that.
And I think Diane Kruger deserves her due for being the best Helen. She wasn't even supposed to be in the film at first (early plans had her as an offscreen character, the idea being that no one could live up to "the face that launched a thousand ships") but rather than just being a symbol, there's a proper character here. She's a woman who knowingly helps start a war but you can't help but feel for her for how she was treated like property all her life, and the one thing that ever brought her joy is also what condemns hundreds of other people. You may not like her or agree with her actions, but you always understand her, and it's impossible not to feel for her as she herself feels the guilt for what she's caused.
Tadimaggio, yes! Have you ever listened to Richard Strauss’ opera Die Agyptische Helena?
@@m.c.martinsome differences. Achilles never reached inside the walls of troy. Paris died. Menelaus lived. Agamemnon died on the return not in Troy.
diane kruger. how helenic she looks here. kudos to the casting and makeup artists.
I don't like her.
I wondered why the actress playing Helen looked so German. Turns out she is.
Most German people are blonde
Hector and andromacha... best of all the bonds...
Now for GOT theme song
"YOU SACK OF WINE!"
Eric bana as Hector is 💥💥💥
1:00 You guys might wanna postpone that welcome home party and realize that you're celebrating a one way ticket to the underworld !!!!!!
“Yayyyy, we’re all fucked because of you!!!”
Helen of Troy - also know as Helen of Sparta.
Man how cute is briseis when she sais "uncle" 3:45
Peter O’Toole another spellbinding performance
He hated this movie apparently.
3:59 they cut the line of Peter saying "now let's get f'd up!!!!"
And Priam doesn't even spank Paris for destroying the peace he fought so hard to secure
What part of it is the will of the gods didnt you get ? LOL
Well Priam is dumb
i think its rather amazing how the women in those days looked and dressed better than me 😅 would love to ask helen where she got those earings....and who was her hairdresser...
It's a movie not real life
i kno
i wish it would be normal to look like this again
@@Tigerheiress oh i know.. me too
It helps when you're princess
looks like paris just won a gameshow
busted blader i mean.... he kind of did
Yeah and the price is getting his father and brother killed and the doom of Troy.Ain’t that lucky?
You just know when Priam here’s “Helen” and he finishes with a concerned look, “Helen of Sparta” ie: he knows instantly who that is.
He instantly knows this is bad, and that War is coming
Priam: For the gods!
Hector: For the gods.
Paris: ..the gods.
0:20 that is powerful and scary
Helena of Troy! The face that launched a thousand ships!
Helen of Troy had the ideal, perfect beauty.
Blond hair, blue eyes, light skin ... daughter of Zeus, with the same beauty as Aphrodite or more.
No woman could match her, no man could escape her charm, not even Priamus. She charmed all men equally.
Her husband Menelaus was desperate to get her back.
Helen of Troy means desire and war .... mean.
Princess Diana better
She is tanned as hell? Are you blind 😂?
@@b.g.9158 LOL slightly tanned. The kind of tan of a really pale skin, a soft golden shade.
Praise be Gods
Praise be to Lord God Apollo for blessing Briseus as a priestess of your Love and Holiness.
So steeped in tradition and yet neither brother nor father kicked his ass for thinking with the wrong head...
The deference between how the father welcomes each of his sons tells a lot
Its actually fun replaying 3:57 try it.
How they pour is really telling of their characters
@@OdileOdile19 Hector: respectful amount
Priam: generous amount
Paris: smol splash
Helen of Troy had the ideal female beauty. Long blonde hair, sparkling blue eyes, perfect face and statuesque body. She was even extremely most gorgeous and admirable than the own goddess of beauty Aphrodite in her own prime.❤
The classical Greek idea of female beauty probably didn't include blonde hair though, their world was a Mediterranean one and didn't include the tribes of modetn Germany abd Denmark.
@@lw3646Yes, you are right, but in the modern world today, there are many latin and mediterranean beauty icons with blonde hair and light eyes as the own nordic beauty like the gorgeous italian diva Carla Gravina and the angelic brazilian model and actress Isabella Santoni for example.
Diane Kruger is such a beautiful woman, as well as being a great actress and an excellent choice for Helen of Troy. Despite limited screentime she's brings a lot of humanity to the role, the guilt she feels of the chaos she brought with her.
It angers me that almost every critic review at the time of the film's release say Diane wasn't pretty enough for the role. I understand she may not be everyone's type, but that was horrible, how much prettier did they expect her to be? And even now she's pushing 50 and still looks the same.
King Priam and the Princes: For the gods.
The servants: Damn it, we'd just...Why don't the gods mop the floor themselves???
Looking back at this scene, it truly is sad that an entire civilization destroyed over a woman. Helen, the face that launched a thousand ships. It is honesty sad. And I’m sorry but if I was the King of Troy and saw that my foolish son brought the Queen of Sparta to Troy, I would do exactly this.
“Everyone leave except my sons and Helen. Now.” Once alone, I would backhand Paris right across his face then throw him to the ground telling him, “You are no longer my son the moment you brought Helen away from Sparta, causing war when I have fought for peace longer than you have been alive. Helen is getting back on a ship to Sparta and if that is not enough and war still comes against Troy then I will let them have you to ensure Peace. I will not let Troy burn for this one woman.” Then I would have them both locked up in a cell then drop them at the feet of the enemy and tell them, “Do what you want with them and leave Troy with peace between us. I will not let all of Troy suffer for their foolishness.” Thanks for uploading.
Like I'm so confused why Priam aint try to send her back. The trip to Sparta was for peace. Your son came back with the Kings wife, the Queen of Sparta. According to Hector, Priam worked very for peace...so what happened? F*** peace? Drinks all around?😅
They were singing and dancing for their doom
Never really know who to root for in this movie
Hector all the way for me!
Priam looking at Hector: “My son”
Hector: “Father”
Priam looking at the other one: “Paris”
Yeah, you know who was the favorite.
hector should be in the front
The reason why people blame Helen
is because Helen agreed to go with Paris
Even though she a married women to a king
@M M in the original story, Paris kidnapped helen
You argue 'well her husband could've let things be and married someone else' and then you remember 'it's his honour we're talking about'. You argue 'well how is it honourable to go to your brother to ask for every army in Greece when you already have an army of your own' and then you remember the oath of the quartered horse her suitors all took to fight for her chosen husband. But even when you're reminded of the answer to both questions the questions still stay in your mind.
agenttheater5 are you on crack
When Helen had put this drug in the bowl, and had told the servants to serve the wine round, she said:
“Menelaus, son of Atreus, and you my good friends, sons of honourable men (which is as Jove wills, for he is the giver both of good and evil, and can do what he chooses), feast here as you will, and listen while I tell you a tale in season. I cannot indeed name every single one of the exploits of Ulysses, but I can say what he did when he was before Troy, and you Achaeans were in all sorts of difficulties. He covered himself with wounds and bruises, dressed himself all in rags, and entered the enemy’s city looking like a menial or a beggar, and quite different from what he did when he was among his own people. In this disguise he entered the city of Troy, and no one said anything to him. I alone recognised him and began to question him, but he was too cunning for me. When, however, I had washed and anointed him and had given him clothes, and after I had sworn a solemn oath not to betray him to the Trojans till he had got safely back to his own camp and to the ships, he told me all that the Achaeans meant to do. He killed many Trojans and got much information before he reached the Argive camp, for all which things the Trojan women made lamentation, but for my own part I was glad, for my heart was beginning to yearn after my home, and I was unhappy about the wrong that Venus had done me in taking me over there, away from my country, my girl, and my lawful wedded husband, who is indeed by no means deficient either in person or understanding.” - The Odyssey by Homer, Book IV
Helen could have denounced Ulysses, but she didn't because she wanted to go home.
Menelaus and Agamemnon could assemble an army that would crush Troy, it was not smart to provide a pretext for a war that was lost.
"my son!........................paris..."
I wonder what Helen expected Priam to be like
I still think how aishwarya would have been in this😳.. She is soo pretty
That scene should have stayed that way in the movie
That treacherous, lecherous Paris screwed everything.
"I thank the Gods for your safe return" !!!!
I think also an incoming disaster. 🤔
From what I have remembered,
Paris greet his cousin Briseis by kissing her lips not on the cheeks.
Priam made poor choice
Check out The Women of Troy 1971 as a good follow up for this.
I want to see the opening scene so bad but it's only 7 seconds
She clearly dint want to be their and was uncomfortable
I have heard rumours of ur beauty... and a few seconds later, Hector's wife shows up on the screen, isn't she better than Helen.
The woman who played hector wife is 6’0 tall she to damn big
@@davidmanners9076 yes, but beautiful nonetheless.. I think steoeotypes (man taller than woman)etc will go away with time . Of course, not everyone is Tom Cruise, but it will become more common with time.. just my opinion.
@@kundankanan9074 this is not 2004 anymore age aged horribly bro
It's a matter of taste. They are all gorgeous.
Helen: “ Paris...theirs something I have to tell you...my name is not really Helen... my name is...Karen.”
The next day, war is declared on Troy.
Never trust an elf!!!
I should have listened to gimli’s warnings on this one
I’m the only one that finds Briseis more beautiful than Helen ??
NOPE. She is way prettier and hotter.
Paris: Words of encouragement to sideboys everywhere. There is always hope. Just believe.
Paris is handsome! 😍😍😍😍
Me too.
the unreal player what???
@@skyhikari1310 I am handsome too.
And an Idiot.
I always wondered why they had briseis and not cassandra in this one
They have also emitted Hecuba.
They basically omitted anything that made Troy look bad.
Great video
Brilliant movie. Casted perfectly. My Aussie brother Eric Bana outshone Pitt overall although it was one of Pitt’s better performances. The challenge of Achilles and Hector before Priam and his walls was superbly choreographed and edited. Helen was casted well too, another Aussie 🙂, she was beautiful. Minelaus had some greatly performed scenes as well. Don’t really think it got the credit it deserved.
Isn't Diane Kruger German?
I believe she is. Definitely not Austrailian.
The directors cut is better, we get to see a bit more of Helen 👀
Priam was a good father and king.
Thank u good king
No he was a stupid king
Cause of war
She was the the face that luanched a thousans ships
The Helen cast must be Miranda Kerr 😁
Lita Tri Lestari ewww no
No, it's Diane Kruger
@@grant4254 she is joking. Orlando's (Paris) real life wife was Miranda
Grant r/whooooosh
Helen of misfortunes.
Good
Helena de Tróia tinha a beleza feminina ideal. Longo cabelo louro, olhos azuis brilhantes, rosto perfeito e corpo escultural. Ela era até mesmo extremamente mais deslumbrante e admirável do que a própria deusa da beleza Afrodite em seu auge.❤
So many innocent people die because of her...
She didn't make the soldiers invade or swing their swords.
@@usul573 But she knew the consequences of leaving Sparta.
@@mrgarybusey2052 SO ITS OKAY FOR MELALALALAALOUS TO FUCK OTHER WOMEN BUT SHE CANT?
They got what they deserved for not sending Helen back!
Mr President She wasn’t there against her will...
I would have agreed if Agamemnon and Menelaus weren't such assholes.
When Helen had put this drug in the bowl, and had told the servants to serve the wine round, she said:
“Menelaus, son of Atreus, and you my good friends, sons of honourable men (which is as Jove wills, for he is the giver both of good and evil, and can do what he chooses), feast here as you will, and listen while I tell you a tale in season. I cannot indeed name every single one of the exploits of Ulysses, but I can say what he did when he was before Troy, and you Achaeans were in all sorts of difficulties. He covered himself with wounds and bruises, dressed himself all in rags, and entered the enemy’s city looking like a menial or a beggar, and quite different from what he did when he was among his own people. In this disguise he entered the city of Troy, and no one said anything to him. I alone recognised him and began to question him, but he was too cunning for me. When, however, I had washed and anointed him and had given him clothes, and after I had sworn a solemn oath not to betray him to the Trojans till he had got safely back to his own camp and to the ships, he told me all that the Achaeans meant to do. He killed many Trojans and got much information before he reached the Argive camp, for all which things the Trojan women made lamentation, but for my own part I was glad, for my heart was beginning to yearn after my home, and I was unhappy about the wrong that Venus had done me in taking me over there, away from my country, my girl, and my lawful wedded husband, who is indeed by no means deficient either in person or understanding.” - The Odyssey by Homer, Book IV
Helen could have denounced Ulysses, but she didn't because she wanted to go home.
Agamemnon and menalus had the power to take down whoever stood in their way and it was lourua to challenge whoever is so powerful.
@@user-cc8fe3pe4p A lesson left in the Melian Dialogue:
The just, in discussions between men, only prevails when the interests of both sides are compatible, and that the strong exercise power and the weak submit.
Menelaus and agamemnon had the power to impose their will like so many imperialists and it was crazy to challenge them.
Is it me or does the Troy soundtrack sound like a Star Wars theme or original (1978) Battlestar Galactica?
1:20 What are those women up to are they jealous that Paris has a new woman?
Diane Kruger would of made a good elf or fairy
Not sure she actually existed - nice film though
Paris and Helen were under the spell of Aphrodite, it should have been explained earlier. She promised him the most beautiful woman in the world and that was Helen
“You know, Zeus. The entire Trojan War would’ve been avoided if you just invited Eris to the wedding.”
Troy fell because of sheer ignorance! They had every advantage you could imagine and they still could not defeat the Greeks.
I guess you could say the beauty of a woman was Troy's Achilles heel!
The Greeks infiltrate a troy and a fanfiction omitted that odysseus entered the troy to spy on it.
In the Illyad the war would had ended much sooner if Agamennon didnt angered Achilles. The dude can legit solo's armies in the book, and no Trojan was a match for him
Love can also risk many many lives. Sometimes, is it worth it?
The problem when a fanfiction becomes a film and ignores the logic of the story.
Helen never loved Paris, she was Aphrodite's award given to him for being chosen as the most beautiful. She was angry that she was taken against her will.
"Goddess, why do you wish to deceive me so?
Are you going to take me still further off, [400]
to some well populated city somewhere
in Phrygia or beautiful Maeonia,
because you're in love with some mortal man
and Menelaus has just beaten Paris
and wants to take me, a despised woman, 450
back home with him? Is that why you're here,
you and your devious trickery?
Why don't you go with Paris by yourself,
stop walking around here like a goddess,
stop directing your feet toward Olympus,
and lead a miserable life with him,
caring for him, until he makes you his wife [410]
or slave. I won't go to him in there -
that would be shameful, serving him in bed.
Every Trojan woman would revile me afterwards. 460
Besides, my heart is hurt enough already." (Iliad - Book III)
Helen had contempt for Paris and considered him a coward.
"You've come back from the fight. How I wish 480
you'd died there, killed by that strong warrior
who was my husband once. You used to boast
you were stronger than warlike Menelaus, [430]
more strength in your hands, more power in your spear.
So go now, challenge war-loving Menelaus
to fight again in single combat.
I'd suggest you stay away. Don't fight it out
man to man with red-haired Menelaus,
without further thought. You might well die,
come to a quick end on his spear." 490
Replying to Helen, Paris said:
"Wife,
don't mock my courage with your insults.
Yes, Menelaus has just defeated me,
but with Athena's help. Next time I'll beat him. [440]
For we have gods on our side, too. But come,
let's enjoy our love together on the bed.
Never has desire so filled my mind as now,
not even when I first took you away
from lovely Lacedaemon, sailing off
in our sea-worthy ships, or when I lay with you 500
in our lover's bed on the isle of Cranae.
That's how sweet passion has seized hold of me,
how much I want you now." (Iliad- Book III)
Helen had respect for the hector she considered a worthy man, but contempt for the coward of Paris.
She wanted to return to Sparta with Menelaus.
"Hector, you are my brother,
and I'm a horrible, conniving bitch.
I wish that on that day my mother bore me
some evil wind had come, carried me away,
and swept me off, up into the mountains,
or into waves of the tumbling, crashing sea, 430
then I would have died before this happened.
But since gods have ordained these evil things,
I wish I'd been wife to a better man, [350]
someone sensitive to others' insults,
with feeling for his many shameful acts.
This husband of mine has no sense now,
and he won't acquire any in the future.
I expect he'll get from that what he deserves.
But come in, sit on this chair, my brother,
since this trouble really weighs upon your mind- 440
all because I was a bitch-because of that
and Paris' folly, Zeus gives us an evil fate,
so we may be subjects for men's songs
in generations yet to come." (Iliad - Book VI)
Another version of this was
A greek soldier who returned said the Greek states were utterly humiliated at Troy and just said they won to save face
I don’t know, Troy is no longer a city, so their may be some truth to them winning
The war could have been so costly that even though they won they lost thousands of warriors and archers.
@@m.c.martintroy was settled until the 6th century
I think Paris was the prettiest 😂
Pure example of women and men being weak this woman brought down a whole city and new she was wrong
Hollywood version of the Odyssey. The original by Homer was way better.
Taylor Dizon I’ll have to see the original
@taylordizon3277 The Iliaid you mean?
Kissing cuzin are the greatest at love making take from a cuzin how knows
What if Hercules and Iolaus later that day also arrived and become friends with Hector that would be a sight. They'll be saved.
I don’t blame Helen in the original story. It’s Paris and Aphrodite’s fault. Helen would have been loyal to her husband if that goddess and that damn prince didn’t hypnotize her.
THANK YOU. APHRODITE S******************* goddess. Worst goddess in the cosmos.
Yeah that's what I hate Aphrodite in the myths. Should just stayed out of human affairs. 🙄
Diane Krueger (Helen) looks a lot like Sophie turner (Sansa from game of thrones )
Well, with Sophie's hair being naturally blonde, she does looks quite similar with Diane except for being 2 inches taller than her
uh
Uh noooo. Diane Kruger is a different level of Goddess ethereal
If the Trojans knew what that traitor Paris had done... would they still be cheering?
3:28 😂❤❤❤
I had a cat named pudintan
It’s really petty and pathetic to bring a whole nation to war over a woman. She doesn’t have to be loyal to a guy she doesn’t respect.
Back then there was no such thing as Divorce, you were married to someone for life