Beer Debate: Black IPA vs Cascadian Dark Ale
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- In this episode we ask ourselves, what's in a name? There's a big debate going on right now in the worlds of homebrewing and craft beer. It involves a new-ish style some are calling Cascadian Dark Ale, some are calling Black IPA and some are calling it, well, you'll see. Join us as we attempt to shine a light into this dark space.
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I always referred to this style as BIPA but after watching this episode I like CDA more.
Cascadian Dark.... BTW, Deschutes Brewery is in Bend, OR
For reference, there is a Deschutes brew pub in Portland but it's a Bend-based company.
When Cascadia secedes, watching Portlandia will be required training for new citizens. Also, the Cascadian clothing of choice is flannel, not leather.
It’s an OHP
Over hopped porter
Damn I miss these videos, lol.
I call it India Dark Ale (IDA)!
...maybe American Hoppy Stout (AHS) is an alternative)
Greetings and Prost from Germany 🍻🖖
I think that a big chunk of the Cascadia region was once known as Columbia. The Canadian part of that region still goes by the name of British Columbia.
Calling something "Black" and "pale" in one name seems wrong.
I believe that if one drinks a beer based off an expectation, tastes that beer, and it doesn't live up to it's name; no matter how good that beer is, it will get bad reviews. I'm glad I saw this video, because I haven't liked "Black IPA's", because that's why I bought it, because it was supposedly an IPA. So, now that I've watched this, I'm going to go back out there( I live in WA), and find some Cascadian Dark Ales to drink like a mad man! Thanks! 17!
I like the whole throwback to the regional identity thing. I think more regions (specifically in the USA) should find their beer identity.
I see an ipa and I want it painted black...awesome mr. Dawson.
@21:40 How’d that 12 pack of Budweiser Cascadian dark ale taste? 😏
Wowwwwwww. That was a blast from the past to click and see all over again. Nice one!
I'd go for calling it what it is, a Dark Imperial Ale (DIA)
Green man brewing in Asheville had an amazing CDA /bipa that was made with French broads chocolate co coca nibs and I'd have to say it was one if the most amazing things I've ever had everyone needs to try it
TAlking about Pilsen Urquell From bohemia. BAck in the time, when the beed was created, the beer was created under defined recipe from defined materials. Hops water etc. Everyone can create Pilsenlike lager nowadays, but back in the time it was not possible due to the technical restrictions. You couldnt adjust water or get recipe and other ingredients. Today it is technicaly possible, but there Pilsen is trademar atm so you will not make THE Pilsen anyway :) The same with champagne etc.
What if in the future somebody from america invents another style of IPA, should it be called IPA American Style II?
How about American Black Ale
Black IPA seems to be a fairly neutral name for the style, and from the examples I've tried seems like a pretty accurate description as well. I get the whole regional pride thing, though.
CDA if it's from the Cascadian region otherwise BIPA...?
CDA or ADA...American Dark Ale(like ABA, APA, IPA, etc...those will cover any style thats not "IPA" based.
I've lived on the east coast. Let me know when the east coasters know what a hop is. Holy City in Charleston doesn't know what a hop is and neither does the Carolina Brewery in Chapel Hill. I've seen enough from the East Coast. This isn't a comment to take a crap on the Carolinas but I haven't been impressed with their brews yet. Maybe in the future they will provide the perfect example of a CDA. Sincerely, Tacoma
I dont even think it should be a different style, i mean the guy who came up with it admits himself that he adds CARAII just to darken it, no value in terms of taste at all. Why should color variances be considered a different style? Styles should be based off of spectrum of IBUs, Fermentation temps etc. Therefore, I agree with calling it a black IPA, however i don't think that in itself is a different category but rather a subcategory of an IPA.
It's black. Just call it Texas Tea. Just kidding. The whole argument is just funny to a Texas Homebrewer living in Singapore.
The problem is, its not about where it came from or who made it. It is literally just a dark IPA, and since dark and pale can't be together really, call it an India Black Ale (IBA), or India Dark Ale (IDA).
+Sveinn Kallinen Not sure if you've seen the latest version of BJCP guidelines. In case you haven't they made "IPA" kind of a synonym of "very hoppy beer". They don't expand it to India Pale Ale anymore, as a lot of "IPAs" are neither Pale nor have anything to do with India :) There is a lot of funny stuff like Black IPA, Brown IPA, Red IPA, Belgian IPA etc
@brewingtv As a central North Carolinian (for 27 years, next week), I can assure you that most of us natives could give a damn if we brewed the best CDA, as long as we can enjoy your achievement with the American title (as opposed to the many European attributions out there)
Cascadian Dark Ale.
They dont mind calling New England Ipa that.
Agreed Aaron Chavez!
Dunkle Wicked Hoppy Ale.
Maybe if you mowed your yard, people would listen?
I do not like the government backing of names. I like that we can call wine with bubbles Champaign here in America because we don't have to follow the idiotic rules of Europe.
CDA!
after years of thinking about this question i think CDA would be a better name. jut for the sake of not over using the IPA name. a black india pale ale is stupid. how can it be black and pale? jut cause the ammout of hopps does not mean it needs to have IPA in its style name. IPA is becoming the turbo name of the beer world. every beer needs the IPA buzz word in its name just like turbo was the buzz word used in cars in the 80's and 90's.
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Over-hopped Porter. Now quit yer whining.
CDA for me, the term India needs to go.
beer not beed :D
It's Cascadian Dark Ale. The rest is PC BS !!
Snobbery. Who gives a shit what is is called. Is it good? I'm fine with that.
My two cents: The word "Cascadia" is unbelievably douchey sounding, the Pacific Northwest is horrid (I lived in Seattle for a year, don't know much about the rest of the region), and black IPA, which is what people actually call the style, sucks. Those roasty dark malt flavors and the aggressive hopping clash horribly. So yeah, let's all just call it black IPA and then let the black IPA fad die out, because it's lame. Just like the Pacific Northwest.