Thanks for this -- the anti-war movement in the US has been moribund for quite a while. And it's high time that all first-world countries and their citizens became patriotic toward the planet and whatever future generations it might still support.
Vincenzo I would argue that there were strong anti-war protests before the invasion of Iraq. However, like presidents who like to cover themselves in the “glory” of being a “war president” (even Clinton regretted not being one), the media fantasizes about and glamorizes “war correspondents.” And “war coverage,” however lame, sells. And then you have the “war hero” angle and the “fallen warrior” stories. The point is, the anti-war movement easily gets trounced. Stopping a war is like trying to stop an industry. And when the war goes south, the media likes to claim - or at least not dispute the claim - that 90% of the public was in favor of the war. This is demonstrably not true, but the media, like the war’s proponents, buries the opposition.
our person in white house [ T ] is out of his element, not suited to reasonable leadership, not born to the manner. In a hierarchy everyone tends to rise to the level of his or her incompetence. Peter Principle
we know better than Emma Goldman Today ! Love of our humanity is reduced to the love of subordinates to a certain State ( no matter if its a capitalist or socialist) … Patriotism IS Nationalism of a different kind (remember what is a nation and what is Citizens of Country) … or Whats wrong with Internationalism and our Human Identity, … whats wrong with loving our felow human beings ? …
Angela Merkel speaks with soulful insight that not only succinctly reiterates the past ... But also brings an eerily prophetic spotlight on our collective futures. If this path of Isolationism is followed we will witness ... ... and suffer, the same devastating results. May we have Eyes to SEE and Ears to HEAR ... ... "The First World War shows how Isolationism leads to many destructions and if Isolationism wasn't the right solution more than One Hundred years ago how could it simply be the right choice today. In an interconnected World that has five times more people, as today, shaping an interconnected world, this was the model of our German G20 presidency last year, for this very reason." Angela Merkel Chancellor of Germany 💕
This is wrong on different levels. 1) Precisely because it was a different world 100 years ago what was right back then does not automatically be right today. 2) It is well documented that the involvement of the US in the first WW was to prevent their loans to the allies from being lost to German victory, not some lofty objective like making the world safe for democracy or to end all wars. 3) Her idea of having German troops defending German values or lives in Afghanistan, Syria or Mali is just plain ludicrous.
Please read Emma Goldman, What is Patriotism? and tell me if I am right in calling Adam Hochschild a scoundrel for likening anarchists like her to patriots.
I agree on the terribleness of the war. But Prussian militarism had to be destroyed. The failure after wwi was the British failed to enforce the treaty of Versailles, and thus the Germans came back with even more terror.
funny that no one remembers Jan Bloch, who wrote a 5 volume study--written before the war and introduced at the two Hague conferences immediately before the war-- who predicted quite clearly how murderous this war would become, because of the new weapons technologies, the lack of a clear bright line between combatants and civilians, as civilians became war workers and vice versa. needless to say, no government was interested in what he had to say: they all had pretty new weapons and boats and planes and cars to field ans compete with each other to see if it would last a week or a month. it would be so good if someone would remember the work of Jan Bloch as well, not a theoretician like Goldman or Luxenberg, but a scientific researcher and number cruncher.
I have always said that the real war resisters of the Vietnam war were the real heros. Not draftdodgers. The people who went to jail or Canada for the moral high ground.
@@brindlekintales TO ME having a baby to avoid the draft is not a moral stance. Enrolling in college to avoid the draft is not a moral stance. Bone spurs or joining the national guard is no moral stance. That is draft dodging. Using loopholes to stay safe in your life while people are being murdered, jailed or forced to leave their homes is no moral stance.
@Paul Berevoescu I do not understand your point. Of course if there is a legitamate health reason, that is a pass. I was referring to Trumps bone spurs as he was on a la cross team. Your arguement that intelligence was a factor supports my claim that those that took the moral high ground were heros. How hard do you think it was for those guys? One of those decisions that you know will change your life for the worse but your morality will not allow you to do anything else. I was there, this is my opinion.
@@brindlekintales Sorry for you, leaving it to others to suffer the savages of war or being cast out as a real war resister. You did not resist the war, you resisted the draft (if you can even call it that). There is a difference whether you want to admit it or not. I know many moral people that feel guilty as a result of that choice. It was a crazy time. Every person that found a reason not to go left a space for the next child to be inducted. All I am saying is that the unsung heros are the ones that stood their ground and refused to go on moral grounds. They too suffered as a result of their choice. To be numbered as one that simply said NO. Not no because I am in college or have a new baby. If ANYONE has a problem with that......tell it to the stump.
@@brindlekintalesIf you don't go then they have to take the next guy on the list. Everyone got a number. You knew by your number whether you would be drafted during this round. They needed (or thought they needed) a certain amount of soldiers. You can't see that? I know people that went for that reason alone. That if they did not go someone that did not have a loophole would have to fill that space. Look Zeke if you do not see it and you were there, you are not going to see it. You probably were against the war on moral grounds but that is not how you got out of it. You got out of it by using a loophole. Not to be counted as someone that suffered from the war or standing up against it and suffering. Someone that continued their life basically unmolested by the war.
As much as I admire Emma Goldman in many respects, calling her a patriot seems a bit of a stretch. Anybody who knows about her complicity in the killing of an American President (or at the very least her staunch defense of McKinley's assassination) would be hard-pressed to defend her as such. For the record, I despise McKinley but don't believe that shooting a politician while he or she is shaking hands with the public is good policy, to say the least. Gabby Gifford was a centrist Democrat who supported destructive policies oftentimes, but she didn't deserved to be gunned down at a Safeway while meeting with constituents! Is her assailant a patriot? When Goldman was deported to the Soviet Union, she was determined to be a "patriot" there too, paradoxically as an anarchist ready to not only offer support to a government, but the virulently anti-socialist [sic] Bolsheviks. It wasn't long after a brief meeting with Lenin during which she was scoffed at for espousing civil liberties, free speech, grassroots democracy that she became rightly became disillusioned there too.
Emma Goldman....one of my heroes!
If I can't danse I don't want to be part of your revolution!
Thanks for this -- the anti-war movement in the US has been moribund for quite a while. And it's high time that all first-world countries and their citizens became patriotic toward the planet and whatever future generations it might still support.
If you're anti war...practice peace.
I second that full hearted!
Vincenzo I would argue that there were strong anti-war protests before the invasion of Iraq.
However, like presidents who like to cover themselves in the “glory” of being a “war president” (even Clinton regretted not being one), the media fantasizes about and glamorizes “war correspondents.” And “war coverage,” however lame, sells. And then you have the “war hero” angle and the “fallen warrior” stories.
The point is, the anti-war movement easily gets trounced. Stopping a war is like trying to stop an industry. And when the war goes south, the media likes to claim - or at least not dispute the claim - that 90% of the public was in favor of the war. This is demonstrably not true, but the media, like the war’s proponents, buries the opposition.
Yay Emma Goldman, anarchism.
We love Angela, a real stateswoman. You will be missed 💕💕💕💕💕
I couldn't agree more. Thanks for having this excellent guest.
our person in white house [ T ] is out of his element, not suited to reasonable leadership, not born to the manner. In a hierarchy everyone tends to rise to the level of his or her incompetence. Peter Principle
we know better than Emma Goldman Today ! Love of our humanity is reduced to the love of subordinates to a certain State ( no matter if its a capitalist or socialist) … Patriotism IS Nationalism of a different kind (remember what is a nation and what is Citizens of Country) … or Whats wrong with Internationalism and our Human Identity, … whats wrong with loving our felow human beings ? …
Angela Merkel speaks with soulful insight that not only succinctly reiterates the past ... But also brings an eerily prophetic spotlight on our collective futures.
If this path of Isolationism is followed we will witness ...
... and suffer,
the same devastating results.
May we have Eyes to SEE and Ears to HEAR ... ...
"The First World War
shows how Isolationism
leads to many destructions
and if Isolationism wasn't
the right solution more than
One Hundred years ago
how could it simply be the
right choice today.
In an interconnected
World that has five times
more people, as today,
shaping an interconnected
world, this was the
model of our German G20
presidency last year, for this
very reason."
Angela Merkel
Chancellor of Germany
💕
These people are highly intelligent.
They should be able to see through "thick." What they can't see through is their own short-term self-interest.
This is wrong on different levels. 1) Precisely because it was a different world 100 years ago what was right back then does not automatically be right today. 2) It is well documented that the involvement of the US in the first WW was to prevent their loans to the allies from being lost to German victory, not some lofty objective like making the world safe for democracy or to end all wars. 3) Her idea of having German troops defending German values or lives in Afghanistan, Syria or Mali is just plain ludicrous.
Please read Emma Goldman, What is Patriotism? and tell me if I am right in calling Adam Hochschild a scoundrel for likening anarchists like her to patriots.
The public wants the rights our Bill of Rights promises to be experienced to the fullest.
Grate sharing 🤗☮️ thx
I learned about Goldman from Ward Churchill!
Armistice
Angela Merkal so evolved, so smart, so up to the21st. Century! Donald Trump so what !
thank you
Get behind us GLOBALISTS!!!!
No war but class war
fuck off commie.
I enjoyed the movie Reds but it would have been much better if it had centered on Red Emma.
I agree on the terribleness of the war. But Prussian militarism had to be destroyed. The failure after wwi was the British failed to enforce the treaty of Versailles, and thus the Germans came back with even more terror.
A better observation would be what is your country? Republic and anti war from the founding is what it is. It's also a people. Mostly Englishmen.
funny that no one remembers Jan Bloch, who wrote a 5 volume study--written before the war and introduced at the two Hague conferences immediately before the war-- who predicted quite clearly how murderous this war would become, because of the new weapons technologies, the lack of a clear bright line between combatants and civilians, as civilians became war workers and vice versa. needless to say, no government was interested in what he had to say: they all had pretty new weapons and boats and planes and cars to field ans compete with each other to see if it would last a week or a month.
it would be so good if someone would remember the work of Jan Bloch as well, not a theoretician like Goldman or Luxenberg, but a scientific researcher and number cruncher.
Never heard of Jan, but thanks for sharing.
I have always said that the real war resisters of the Vietnam war were the real heros. Not draftdodgers. The people who went to jail or Canada for the moral high ground.
@@brindlekintales TO ME having a baby to avoid the draft is not a moral stance. Enrolling in college to avoid the draft is not a moral stance. Bone spurs or joining the national guard is no moral stance. That is draft dodging. Using loopholes to stay safe in your life while people are being murdered, jailed or forced to leave their homes is no moral stance.
@Paul Berevoescu I do not understand your point. Of course if there is a legitamate health reason, that is a pass. I was referring to Trumps bone spurs as he was on a la cross team. Your arguement that intelligence was a factor supports my claim that those that took the moral high ground were heros. How hard do you think it was for those guys? One of those decisions that you know will change your life for the worse but your morality will not allow you to do anything else. I was there, this is my opinion.
@@brindlekintales Sorry for you, leaving it to others to suffer the savages of war or being cast out as a real war resister. You did not resist the war, you resisted the draft (if you can even call it that). There is a difference whether you want to admit it or not. I know many moral people that feel guilty as a result of that choice. It was a crazy time. Every person that found a reason not to go left a space for the next child to be inducted. All I am saying is that the unsung heros are the ones that stood their ground and refused to go on moral grounds. They too suffered as a result of their choice. To be numbered as one that simply said NO. Not no because I am in college or have a new baby. If ANYONE has a problem with that......tell it to the stump.
@@brindlekintalesIf you don't go then they have to take the next guy on the list. Everyone got a number. You knew by your number whether you would be drafted during this round. They needed (or thought they needed) a certain amount of soldiers. You can't see that? I know people that went for that reason alone. That if they did not go someone that did not have a loophole would have to fill that space. Look Zeke if you do not see it and you were there, you are not going to see it. You probably were against the war on moral grounds but that is not how you got out of it. You got out of it by using a loophole. Not to be counted as someone that suffered from the war or standing up against it and suffering. Someone that continued their life basically unmolested by the war.
@@brindlekintales I am not surprised that what I am saying does not make sense to you. Enjoy your life.
As much as I admire Emma Goldman in many respects, calling her a patriot seems a bit of a stretch. Anybody who knows about her complicity in the killing of an American President (or at the very least her staunch defense of McKinley's assassination) would be hard-pressed to defend her as such. For the record, I despise McKinley but don't believe that shooting a politician while he or she is shaking hands with the public is good policy, to say the least. Gabby Gifford was a centrist Democrat who supported destructive policies oftentimes, but she didn't deserved to be gunned down at a Safeway while meeting with constituents! Is her assailant a patriot? When Goldman was deported to the Soviet Union, she was determined to be a "patriot" there too, paradoxically as an anarchist ready to not only offer support to a government, but the virulently anti-socialist [sic] Bolsheviks. It wasn't long after a brief meeting with Lenin during which she was scoffed at for espousing civil liberties, free speech, grassroots democracy that she became rightly became disillusioned there too.