I did some labbing and figured out what happened in the Pichu clip at 8:32 and why it didn't work for you guys. (tldr at the bottom) First, here's how thunder works. The thunder bolt spawns on frame 2 of the move, and will continue downward even if Pichu is hit. The second hitbox is frame 1 and there has intangibility on frames 1-10 as long as he is grounded (but the intangibility actually has nothing to do with this clip. What matters is that it's frame 1.) There are 2 conditions that need to be met for the second hitbox to come out: -Pichu and the thunderbolt must be overlapping... duh. -Pichu must be in the animation of using Down-B. If he is in hitstun or his idle animation, it won't come out. Second, Pichu's forward smash. Each hit of the multihit portion of this move has just enough hitstun to confirm into the next move, and no more. This means that if Pichu's f-smash is interrupted, the person being hit can act almost immediately afterwards. It should also be noted that Pichu's f-smash shifts his hurtbox forward a considerable amount. This should be enough information, no I'll explain what happened. I'll refer to the Pichu who used thunder as Pichu 1 and the Pichu who used F-smash as Pichu 2. -After spotdodging, Pichu 1 used thunder. If you go frame by frame, you can see him using it right before he gets F-smashed. -Pichu 2 hits Pichu 1 with F-smash just a frame too late to stop the thunderbolt from coming down. -When the thunderbolt comes down, it hits Pichu 2 because he was leaning into it from the F-smash. This interrupts the F-smash halfway through. -Because Pichu F-smash's multihit part has very little hitstun, Pichu 1 goes nowhere and is able to act again almost instantly. -Pichu 1 uses thunder... again. Because he is already overlapping with the bolt from the previous thunder, both of the conditions are met frame 1, so the second hitbox comes out immediately. -While Pichu 2 is still in the hitlag from being hit by the thunder bolt, he gets hit again by the second hitbox of the new thunder. Yes, this is a 2-hit combo. If you watch closely, you can see his percent change twice. *tldr:* Pichu 1 used thunder. Pichu 2 used f-smash. The bolt from Pichu 1's thunder hit Pichu 2 out of f-smash before it finished. Pichu 1 used thunder *again,* and the second hitbox came out frame 1 because there was already a thunder bolt on him, true comboing off of the thunder bolt. In this case, rather than thunder being broken for escaping combos, Pichu's f-smash just sucked. In conclusion, Pichu busted, but also Pichu sucks.
I was wondering what happened and tried to recreate it myself with no luck. You did some amazing stuff here figuring this out and I now wonder what moves also allow for this to happen because like you said, you need a tiny amount of hitstun.
I instantly thought of the same mechanic, and now I wanna see what's Wii Fit's is like in the air. And is it universal to wind boxes, or is it only some? EDIT: Just kept watching the video and found out hahaha
To put a little skill into it, if you launch the sun first, you lose that point. So you have time it late enough to get the wind box before you get hit and cancel asap.
10:36 As long as the rat is using down B after getting hit, they can always detect the thunder and activate the body hitbox. So for the Falcon dair clip, if you had mashed down B again, the body hitbox on Pika wouldve come out
This is one of the best ones I've seen in a while- A lot of really cool labs and jank kills. The Wii Fit lab seems like it could spawn a custom gametype or something
10:35 on the pichu situation, it happened since the original pichu using thunder was not actually launched, the multihit from pichu's Fsmash does not launch until the last few frames. Due to this, the thunder interrupted the Fsmash, and after pichu got out of hitstun then he got hit by lightning. Both thunders (pikachu's and Pichu's) have multiple segments which is why this can happen. I believe that since characters in the air have differente properties than those on the ground it was not replicable with the down air's of falcon/ganon
I believe what happened at 8:31 was Pichu's forward smash is multihits, but traps with landing lag as well, and the other pichu got hit with his thunder when he was in the landing lag
Soon this game's patch notes will look like a Sim's games' notes. "Wii Fit Trainer can no longer juggle Kirby's stone." "Dr. Mario no longer gives Cloud super speed when hitting him with a cape." "Shields no longer cause Straight Lunge to launch Little Mac to death." "Incineroar can no longer throw his friends away." "Snake can no longer fly without a Cipher."
Hey beefy, something you missed about the clip at 4:55, its actually about a glitch where ridley has no stocks but is still alive. definitely look into it when u get the chance
The Pichu Clip works (I think) as follows: The Pichu F-Smashed the other right after he Down-B'd and got hit be the lightning coming down, which put the right side Pichu out of hitstun and made him able to get hit by his lightning.
In the Pichu clip, the Pichu getting hit broke out of the other Pichu's F-smash, during the F-smash, Pichu got hit by the thunder and because of F-smash being a multi hit, it didn't add enough hit stun to prevent the other Pichu to do the shock wave by being hit by its own thunder
@ 8:31 I think I know what happened there. Pichu does not thundershock if he’s in hitstun. That’s why the smart bomb didn’t work. But the lightning did hit the other Pichu, cancelling out the forward smash, since the pichu getting hit was let out of the F-smash, he was able to thundershock and kill the other Pichu.
10:35 how about you press down b again after hitstun ends to activate the state again? would that work? maybe the pichu in the clip was mashing down b, and since it's frame 1, he got put back into that state where he can accept the hit?
For the clip that busted your theory of final spark extending the timer, it’s weird because there isn’t usually a final spark in Time battles which that was.
The thunder thing: the multihit has low hitstun, the thunder hit the pichu that was doing the forward smash. Then the other pichu was out of hitstun and pressed Down b again. If you do that, it will be the outcome of the pichus clip.
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ZA HANDO
At 5:00 Ridley came back from the dead after cloud used final smash
You can make a QB out of this!
With the “Kirby wii fit” volleyball, you should have the wii fit trainers at 999 too
This is not a glitch, it's an easter egg. You can finally play volleyball like you're supposed to play the game
This is true
They should make a custom stage with wind and portals and obstacles and steep slopes and make a pong like mini game
The bug becomes a feature
Glitcch
Wii fit used Kirby as a volleyball in her reveal trailer sooo....
You missed at 5:02, Ridley had no stocks but was still alive.
what the heeeeell... how did we miss that?!
@@BeefySmashDoods it's probably because you dont watch pkbeats
It is caused by cloud final smash and Ridley side B during a small frame window near the start of it
Now you gotta go over it next time
Salmoling Sebastian Yeah, he did explained it in his last 2 random smash facts videos
I did some labbing and figured out what happened in the Pichu clip at 8:32 and why it didn't work for you guys.
(tldr at the bottom)
First, here's how thunder works. The thunder bolt spawns on frame 2 of the move, and will continue downward even if Pichu is hit.
The second hitbox is frame 1 and there has intangibility on frames 1-10 as long as he is grounded (but the intangibility actually has nothing to do with this clip. What matters is that it's frame 1.)
There are 2 conditions that need to be met for the second hitbox to come out:
-Pichu and the thunderbolt must be overlapping... duh.
-Pichu must be in the animation of using Down-B. If he is in hitstun or his idle animation, it won't come out.
Second, Pichu's forward smash. Each hit of the multihit portion of this move has just enough hitstun to confirm into the next move, and no more. This means that if Pichu's f-smash is interrupted, the person being hit can act almost immediately afterwards.
It should also be noted that Pichu's f-smash shifts his hurtbox forward a considerable amount.
This should be enough information, no I'll explain what happened.
I'll refer to the Pichu who used thunder as Pichu 1 and the Pichu who used F-smash as Pichu 2.
-After spotdodging, Pichu 1 used thunder. If you go frame by frame, you can see him using it right before he gets F-smashed.
-Pichu 2 hits Pichu 1 with F-smash just a frame too late to stop the thunderbolt from coming down.
-When the thunderbolt comes down, it hits Pichu 2 because he was leaning into it from the F-smash. This interrupts the F-smash halfway through.
-Because Pichu F-smash's multihit part has very little hitstun, Pichu 1 goes nowhere and is able to act again almost instantly.
-Pichu 1 uses thunder... again. Because he is already overlapping with the bolt from the previous thunder, both of the conditions are met frame 1, so the second hitbox comes out immediately.
-While Pichu 2 is still in the hitlag from being hit by the thunder bolt, he gets hit again by the second hitbox of the new thunder.
Yes, this is a 2-hit combo. If you watch closely, you can see his percent change twice.
*tldr:* Pichu 1 used thunder. Pichu 2 used f-smash. The bolt from Pichu 1's thunder hit Pichu 2 out of f-smash before it finished. Pichu 1 used thunder *again,* and the second hitbox came out frame 1 because there was already a thunder bolt on him, true comboing off of the thunder bolt.
In this case, rather than thunder being broken for escaping combos, Pichu's f-smash just sucked.
In conclusion, Pichu busted, but also Pichu sucks.
I was wondering what happened and tried to recreate it myself with no luck. You did some amazing stuff here figuring this out and I now wonder what moves also allow for this to happen because like you said, you need a tiny amount of hitstun.
Underrated response
Jakck your Pichu play is inspiring anytime I see it come up in clips
Goodness
Where are your uploads!
11:30 most insane offstage shenanigans I’ve ever seen. “That was just dumb”
Yea because one saved the other
The hands on DK were the funniest thing I've seen in 3 days
Same
Same
What did you see three days ago?
Same.
You missed the oppertunity to say. It was HANDS down funniest thing
There's something similar with Lucas's Aerial Down Special, the wind box scales with percent :)
Your Boy he said down SPECIAL which is the absorb thing
It can suck people from the ledge offstage around 100%, pretty cool
@@yourboy9236 Search for "Mastering Magnet" by KingOfWizards
I instantly thought of the same mechanic, and now I wanna see what's Wii Fit's is like in the air. And is it universal to wind boxes, or is it only some? EDIT: Just kept watching the video and found out hahaha
Your Boy not dair, down special.
11:27
Pac-men: *do anime offstage battle for 15 seconds*
cFive: that was just dumb.
Pac-man....
@@marx67 it was a pun 2 pac man =pac men
3:22
This is the next Questionable Beef episode: Table Tennis.
5:01 Ridley loses his last stock, but he’s still alive
it's already been documented on the "useless facts of smash bros" episodes by other YTers like PKBeats and some others
Yes I know. I was just pointing out the fact that they missed it
@@necroz9607 yuppp
@@azophi usless smash facts is from p jiggles it pointless
0:15 The next questionable beef where cfive is gonna lose.
6:35 The laugh plus the Donkey Kong LMAO
5:28 Eventually, ROB stopped thinking.
5:00
Nobody gonna talk about Ridley coming back from the dead with no stocks?
And yes, I know it was showcased by pk beats...
it's already been documented on the "useless facts of smash bros" episodes by other YTers like PKBeats and some others
@@azophi read. The. Full. Comment.
Everyone's talking about it lol
6:23 is the buster wolf hitbox still active when hes in the air?
Buster wolf*
I tought it was buster sword and started looking for cloud lol
@@Chick3nWing1339 dont have to capitalize the b
2:53 is just mario maker troll levels in a nutshell
5:00 Ridley survive and lose a stock
it's already been documented on the "useless facts of smash bros" episodes by other YTers like PKBeats and some others
Azophi but some people don’t watch those youtubers and it hasn’t been seen on bsd yet
@@kingbill8155 yeah i - i know
5:00 they didn't notice that ridley came back from death
This has got to be the most wild smash review ever. So many things going on in this episode
2:53 This game's starting to look like Kirby Star Allies.
2:08 I remember Etika saying that Ultimate was like Dragon Ball Z when he tried it
I think this is what he meant
5:40 "unlucky" is an interesting choice to describe this hero's lack of a plan.
That PAC-MAN ditto clip was like those Fox and Falco Brawl TAS videos
For the next questionable beef, use the wii fit/Kirby thing to play tennis
To put a little skill into it, if you launch the sun first, you lose that point. So you have time it late enough to get the wind box before you get hit and cancel asap.
Nah that ends them too quickly, long rallies will be fun to watch once they get the hang of it
So happy I finally decided to submit a clip, and there it is at 5:45. Pretty lame compared to the Wii Fit clip, but I'll take it
3:24 questionable beef episode challenge?
Yes I hope so
@Kdog no u
7:19 the grin on cfive’s face right before it cuts away 😂
10:36 As long as the rat is using down B after getting hit, they can always detect the thunder and activate the body hitbox. So for the Falcon dair clip, if you had mashed down B again, the body hitbox on Pika wouldve come out
This episode was really good! So many crazy and wacky things.
They didn’t even see Ridley res pawn without any stocks after clouds final smash
Ok, just submit your own 0% thwack kill so people are forced to subscribe every episode
2:07 I still can’t believe I was able to pull that off lmfao 🤣
5:00 I like how they casually don’t notice the Ridley not dying and having no stocks
Easily the best smash content on YT, they definitely deserve more views/subs
Dieser DK amiibo ist das lustigste seit langem no joke
5:02 BRUH THEY DIDN'T NOTICE
This is one of the best ones I've seen in a while- A lot of really cool labs and jank kills. The Wii Fit lab seems like it could spawn a custom gametype or something
You dudes rock! I appreciate so much how you guys break down every aspect of what goes on in each clip. Can't wait for episode 69!
cFive's reaction to the foot in the beginning is so damn funny. That was perfect.
The bit with the beat was also great.
2:06 is what I call a spaghetti win
I need a full version of the Falcon-Dedede remix
10:35 on the pichu situation, it happened since the original pichu using thunder was not actually launched, the multihit from pichu's Fsmash does not launch until the last few frames. Due to this, the thunder interrupted the Fsmash, and after pichu got out of hitstun then he got hit by lightning. Both thunders (pikachu's and Pichu's) have multiple segments which is why this can happen. I believe that since characters in the air have differente properties than those on the ground it was not replicable with the down air's of falcon/ganon
4:50 Ridley had no stocks left but he still survived
8:22 that beat bops
I believe what happened at 8:31 was Pichu's forward smash is multihits, but traps with landing lag as well, and the other pichu got hit with his thunder when he was in the landing lag
Give him a super lightweight spirit setup for more jank :) .I didn't I have not tried it with kirby stone but I think it also works
6:30 The official mascot of BFD... DK With The Big Hands
CFive: holds out hand that discuss how something worked
Also CFive: holds out mini hand as well
Me: *brain pain*
When Hero gets a crit: 8:17
Hmm... Interesting idea. I might make a video about that.
I did it. I made a freaking video about it. ua-cam.com/video/n6QWmPktZjQ/v-deo.html
"FRICK YOU, CAT! TO THE SKY DIMENSION!" will always be a classic among us Wiifitcord members
Soon this game's patch notes will look like a Sim's games' notes.
"Wii Fit Trainer can no longer juggle Kirby's stone."
"Dr. Mario no longer gives Cloud super speed when hitting him with a cape."
"Shields no longer cause Straight Lunge to launch Little Mac to death."
"Incineroar can no longer throw his friends away."
"Snake can no longer fly without a Cipher."
I loved this episode! Good testing and the part with the beat was great! (The dk amiibo with hands was pretty funny)
The Falcon kicking the gordo made the hero crit noise
I like how in the cloud final smash clip they didn’t even notice zombie Ridley coming back down with zero stocks.
Oh my gosh I love the reaction at 13:11
the double pac man clip was insane!! so cool!!
5:02 you missed that Ridley hat no stock but was still alive
I loved that falcon/d3 gordo beat 😂😂😂 this is the quality content im subscribed for
3:45
Questionable beef:Super sudden death hot potato
i feel like the captain falcon meta has somehow evolved to make the knee sour spot more hype than the sweet spot
8:20 you guys are the best for this 😂
we want a questionable beef with this tennis with kirby en wii fit trainer thing
Hey beefy, something you missed about the clip at 4:55, its actually about a glitch where ridley has no stocks but is still alive. definitely look into it when u get the chance
I love how they have the starlight zone theme 😭😭😭😭 in the intro and chemical plant zone
5:00 Ridley survived but he had 0 stocks
The Pichu Clip works (I think) as follows:
The Pichu F-Smashed the other right after he Down-B'd and got hit be the lightning coming down, which put the right side Pichu out of hitstun and made him able to get hit by his lightning.
This episode felt so fun, it put me in such a good mood
0:09 Kirby: I got to go my people need me...
8:22 Samus and Dark Samus mains WISHED they had these kinds of multi-hits...
3:22. The next questionable beef.
Damn the Doods have been getting mad good Haircuts
0:42 a reference only german speaking ppl who were in puberty around 2004 will understand.
8:32 Notice how the hits produced the same beat as the clip before
Guys at 4:58 the Ridley is on one stock and comes back to life. Something you forgot to mention I think.
In the Pichu clip, the Pichu getting hit broke out of the other Pichu's F-smash, during the F-smash, Pichu got hit by the thunder and because of F-smash being a multi hit, it didn't add enough hit stun to prevent the other Pichu to do the shock wave by being hit by its own thunder
Personally, I had no clue that there even WAS a windbox on Sun Salutation.
Do questionable beef playing catch with Kirby
Me: Sees how which episode of Smash review this is.
Also me: Laughs in Sith Lord.
Aye! My clip made it in! 6:50 Thanks for reacting to it guys. So mad you can pick up the bike during waft. Wario low-tier now. JK Cheers (:
6:24 This worked with portals too.
(Terry buffered the inputs while getting up, so all he had to do was just press the *A* button or the 🅱️ button)
@BenthovenSSBU Terry just goes straight forward in the air and then falls down
By now I’ve honestly expected squarespace to sponsor bsd for every video
Gotta love how they dont notice that ridley died, but was still there and with 0 stocks at 5:00
11:28 To be honest, I'd be more surprised if I didn't see two Pac-man players fighting for 14 seconds underneath the stage.
@ 8:31 I think I know what happened there. Pichu does not thundershock if he’s in hitstun. That’s why the smart bomb didn’t work. But the lightning did hit the other Pichu, cancelling out the forward smash, since the pichu getting hit was let out of the F-smash, he was able to thundershock and kill the other Pichu.
With the Pichu "Glitch" it has to be a multihit to work, because in a multihit pichu will stay in place until the final hit of the multihit
The next Questionable Beef should be tennis between two Wii Fits and a stone Kirby
the ridley had 0 stocks but could still move around
In the Pichu f-smash thunder clip, he may have been mashing down-b, so he had managed to fit another "thunder state" before the thunder hit him.
Beefy Smash Doods: Smash Review #66
Me: *Laughs in Sith Lord*
Lucas' down B (windbox) also scales!
11:57 OMG they didnt saw how close the red square was to the blast zone ! HOLY SHIT that was close , literally half of it is out of the blastzone O_O
10:35 how about you press down b again after hitstun ends to activate the state again? would that work?
maybe the pichu in the clip was mashing down b, and since it's frame 1, he got put back into that state where he can accept the hit?
For the clip that busted your theory of final spark extending the timer, it’s weird because there isn’t usually a final spark in Time battles which that was.
No, they have stocks! So it was a stock battle with timer, just like we tested^^
The thunder thing: the multihit has low hitstun, the thunder hit the pichu that was doing the forward smash. Then the other pichu was out of hitstun and pressed Down b again. If you do that, it will be the outcome of the pichus clip.
What you call "The Pit," my friends and I call it "Hyrule Fight Club," Usually while chanting it.
The Kirby glitch should be a new questionable beef
6:35 lmao
I feel like a Questionable Beef episode could be made about that Wii Fit wind box trick 🤔🤔🤔
That Wii fit trainer and Kirby glitch is the next episode of questionable beef=(0
Make the wii fit rock glitch a questionable beef