After hitting almost 6000 shuttles for this video, we hope you found it useful! 😁 What shuttles do you use? Will you be changing after watching this video? Let us know below! ⬇️
i personally use plastic shuttles as feather shuttles break a lot for me as i practice a lot and its not feasible for me to keep buying shuttles as they arent quite that cheap
Some shops & warehouses sometimes have delayed shipments. So I buy what is available in bulk. I use Li-Ning G500, G600, & G800. Victor Champion 1 & Master 3 (my favorite). Surprisingly, I can get 2 games out of the G500.
It's silly that in France (at least in my area), it's so hard to find good shuttles. Buying them on the internet is almost mandatory; in that respect, it's very nice of you to share your experience. I like to play with Yonex Aerosansa 20, but I'll try the 40 if I can. I used to like RSL 3, but they're getting less and less consistent (in my opinion).
Hitting over 6000 shuttles and filming for 9 hours is absolutely insane. Really appreciate the work and dedication you both put in to the videos. I have tried all the yonex shuttles but I also prefer the victor more as well. Sometimes I wish I could go grab all the shuttles the pros discard during tournaments 😂.
Subjectively, your testing largely matches my own experience. Yehlex Purple were a common choice at junior tournaments when by son was competing on the junior circuit. Personally, I found them very fast out of the tube, but slowed dramatically after just a handful of rallies, making the judgement of clears and drives very challenging. The Yonex 30 is a good compromise shuttle for clubs and county-level. I was surprised you had one fail so early in the testing. Generally, they seem fairy durable to me. I have no experience with Victor (would love to try them!). The Yonex 50 is a lovely shuttle and some decades ago I played in a league match at Woodhill Prison, Milton Keynes (yes, against actually prisoners and guards - the only place we never felt like disputing a line call LOL) and they were using the then top tournament grade Carlton feather shuttles that were really good, too. That's your taxpayer pounds at work.
Where I am the Victor Master Ace is $28 a tube. And Yonex Aerosensa 50 is $40 a tube. No one uses them though, we use $9 a tube shuttles. There's a recent trend of using hybrid shuttles that cost similarly but greatly increases shuttles durability.
We play with a 5 pound a tube of 10. Its hand made and we buy from manufacturer. He has adjusted the weight and speed according to our humidity and temperature. It lasts almost 2 club level games. Overall the price and quality is perfect for us. The international companies have unnecessarily kept the price so high. AS 50 is available in KL at 20 pounds.Its high time they should rationalise the price and reduce their margins there by higher adoption.
From a club perspective , seconds and use outside of match play is very valuable as it is not about just the elite playees , but for wider use at club practise. 😊
Great video, as the secretary of my club the cost of shuttles is one of the biggest issues we face (along with spiralling court costs). We use AS30s but its interesting to see how much more durability you might get from the top tier shuttles. We've used plastics over the summer to save money which wasnt enjoyable!
Very informative video , I only hope that one day the federation will change the feathers to synthetic so that poor innocent geese don't have to have their feathers plucked while they are alive and then killed just for a sport, especially when there are many more alternatives out there , regardless of level . Thanks guys
Hi Greg and Jenny! You guys really inspire me in playing badminton and I love your content you make. You guys taught me how to play badminton with your tutorials, and now because of you I've achieved my goal to be a varsity. Thank you so much!❤
Started following your channel and find all your videos useful. As someone completely new to badminton (mine and my wifes rackets are arriving today) weve been looking to get the best start we can, racket grip etc. We are only playing for fun and to get moving a little but your videos are appreciated.
Thanks for the extensive test! Would have been cool if you threw a hybrid shuttle into the mix because they seem to really gain traction among recreational players with a tight budget. Maybe you could test them too? I believe most hybrids are made by the same company (Dmantis 3in1) with different OEM branding. Would be interesting to hear what pro players think about them.
I've tried Bird2 hybrids and while they have a much better flight than plastics, they're still far short of the quality of feathers for "proper" play. I wonder why no-one has tried fabricating plastic feathers and fitting them to a conventional cork base - they should fly like feathers but be much more durable.
@@stevemawer848 aren't the Bird2 full plastic? Hybrid means they still have real feathers (depending on the brand either goose like Babolat, or duck like FZ Forza), but are part plastic which makes them cheaper in production and more durable. I'm wondering the same thing, with today's engineering and possibilities, wouldn't it be possible to produce a great nylon shuttle, also for the animal's sake? There were efforts to develop fully synthetic feather shuttles (e.g. Victor Carbonsonic) but reviews suggest that they are not significantly more durable than real feathers.
@@tschoo6476 They have a cork tip which makes them a bit heavier than "plastic" shuttles, and they fly a bit more like feathers. So not full plastic, hence hybrid?
Thanks Jenny and Greg for this video! One question tough, if top tier shuttles are able to withstand couple hundred of shots, why they are changed so often during pro matches?
Thanks for watching 😁 Yep, some correct answers below haha! Our thoughts: players change shuttles frequently for many different reasons: it's slightly fluffy and they want to keep the shuttles speed (so they change it), they're tired and want a rest (so they change it), or they've lost a couple of points in a row and want to break their opponents momentum (so they change it). It's not as simple as "it's broken so lets change it"!
@@BadmintonInsight Thanks for answer ^^ Hmm, so are the shuttles still in good condition then reused in some way e.g donated to local clubs? If no, it seems like quite a lot of waste. Everything according to rules but still...
Great review, thank you so much! I’m really curious how the Aeroplane Black (EG1130) fares against these other shuttles. It is one of the most popular shuttles in the Bay Area (San Francisco) as well as the Boston area. We are seeing more Victor Master Ace use as well btw.
I love badminton since I was young and was playing it just for fun on our front yard, parks or whereever for as long as there's a space where we can enjoy playing. I haven't played it yet with a net. I have an incoming friendly "competition" for our Unity Games which we members of the Church of Christ/Iglesia Ni Cristo celebrate every year. I thought I needed to know the basics and the easiest way to find out of course is through YT. I found your channel jjust yesterday, subscribed and been watching videos and it helped me so much to understand a lot of things as a beginner. I only have 9 days to practice and I guess I would be eliminated at once, LOL Hopefully not, but it doesn't really matter. Just joining it gave me some confidence already. I guess I will continue playing for health reasons. Thanks so much for your amazing videos. 👏👏👏👏
I've experimented with a wide range of shuttlecocks, from Perfly 560 to AS 50. At my level of play, the RSL Classic Tourney, RSL Tourney No. 1, YOUHE S100, and AERO FLIGHT 800 SUPERGRADE offer the best bang for your buck. The AS 50 is theoretically superior and more durable, but it's still vulnerable to damage from a severe mishit. Generally speaking, the priciest shuttles tend to be the most cost-effective in the long run due to their extended lifespan.
Thank you for your motivation for all these tests and of course your good mood :-) I know I'm potentially going to raise a debate, but as a vegetarian, continuing to play using feather shuttles really isn't easy, always looking for good alternatives! I tried but apart from the classic 300, no one really wants to try anything else...
The disadvantage wit plastic shuttles is that they have a totally different feel and flight to feathers, so when you "graduate" to feathers, people will wonder if you've ever played before!
Yeah, as a beginner myself who payes mostly with plastics, I would love to see a review of plastic shuttles too. Plus, how do you prevent mis-hitting when playing with feathers? It has happened to me multiple times and was one reason for me to stick to plastics for now.
Really appreciate the effort you put into testing the shuttles. Based on this we tried the Victor Champion Ace at our fairly standard club night. We use Yehlex Championship at around £19 per tube. The Victor ones at £33 are 1.75x more expensive. Sadly we did not get the results you did. The Victor shuttles did last longer but not by much. I think the results you obtained are mainly down to the quality of your game. You admitted very few if any mishits. Sadly club players mishit often, otherwise we would all be playing against you guys. Way too expensive for club play. Will try one tube for league match this week and see how that goes with just the better players from two clubs.
Thanks Alan 😊 Oh that's a shame, but yes as you mention in your comment we are rarely mishitting shuttles and like we said in the video, this is a key factor to how long shuttles will last! Hope you get more out of them in the league matches - and good luck for them! 🏸
@@jamesshelley6478 First you need to decide what sort of racquet you like - head heavy, head light, or even balance, and what your budget is! I'm an even balance man, and have a range of Carlton racquets (I love 'em, sorry, Jenny and Greg!) from $45 to £190 (although I didn't pay that much for it - clearance sales are great!).
Great video, but we probably all have noticed that, shuttle availability varies a lot dependent where you’re. And from my personal experience, shuttles quality from big brand like yonex, victor also varies from where you buy them from. If you’re not living in the uk, probably the best way of buying shuttle is to ask local club what do they use.
Thank you for the dedication to test the shuttles, it was indeed insightful to see the various different options, and yes you are right, definitely worth the investment to get higher end shuttles. For the level that my peers and I are playing at, we are using RSL Supreme, lasts pretty well for us. If we can afford it, definitely would love to play with the AS40/50 and Master Ace for sure haha.
Hey, great video! Totally different topic, but I was wondering how you guys stay motivated when you’re having a period where you don’t win anything. How do you deal with it and how do you overcome this? It’s only about the mental process because the techniques are not the problem for the moment… I would love to hear your advise on this 😊 My boyfriend and I always look forward to a new video of you guys ☺️
You have to analyse your losses and learn from them! If you heed the lesons that should keep you motivated. And also consider often you're more likely to lose than win (nobody wins all the time, not even Victor!) so you have to accept that it's part of the game. Buit so long as you enjoy playing, that's enough! When you stop enjoying it, stop playing. 🙂
haha, we paid for the tubes from our own pocket "just to be clear" but Victor is our sponsor and lucky for them they seem the best among all :I Love such tests
i bought some fz forza hybrid 5000 3-in-1 shuttles. i find them to be very durable compared to feather shuttles(even more than the victor master ace), but they also fly quite a bit further. we usually play with 77 speed and people shoot out more often with these shuttles. i think this is just how hybrid shuttles fly.
Hey, thank you for the video, I always wondered how different shuttles compare. I saw you playing in Bad Vilbel today, definitely a special moment for me, although the match did not went your way. Wish you all the best for the future!
Hi Greg and Jenny i am a big fan of yours i really like your videos and getting inspired by it i just got a request that please do a challenge again of if you win you get 100 dollars those videos are so interesting like seeing the people's playing and winning prices its reallt fun to see . btw please visit india once and do that challenge here also . thank u
Great video! Thanks for this. Just a thought tho: If you did all this in a single session from cheap --> expensive wouldn't it create a rather strong bias in favor of expensive? I imagine the first 100x smashes will have have close to 100% of your power. The last 100x smashes are likely to have >90% of your power. I imagine at your level of Badminton the 10% is a massive difference for a shuttle 🙈
That was waaaay more interesting that I expected! Thanks for your hard work, diligence and entertainment! Question: What are the criteria for changing the shuttle in a pro match?
In my country Indonesia, the producers of victor shuttle here also make their own brand named Regency gold, honestly i never tried those shuttle but my friends said it was the same quality as victor gold but has cheaper price which is 5 or 6 pounds maybe
@@j.gianan As I understand it, most of the power is generated by the pronation of the forearm, all the wrist has to do is to be flexible enough not to slow down the racquet movement, no flick required, just keep it loose. Regarding the grip, just keep it loose until the point at which you strike the shuttle, that's when you need to tighten it.
that's a good try at breaking down a big topic. some comments from an asian perspective and a takeaway: 1) in asia where i train and play almost no one uses plastic, no matter how 'poor' they are-- that seems to me mostly a UK thing. even in philippines players will prefer to use a very low quality feather shuttlecock until there is almost nothing left of it than to use plastic, and in china no players at any level including permanent beginners are interested in plastic shuttlecocks, 2) i would break down shuttlecocks by durability and trajectory, which is not quite the same as speed. plastic may be slow coming off the racket or crossing the net but will have a more parabolic flight path than feathers and thus a faster feel. it's hard to describe the correct flight path to a good feather shuttle without sophisticated mathematics except to say it increasingly deviates from parabolic along its flight path so by the end of a lift it is pretty much falling straight down, and it's pretty much what you get when you high clear those higher quality yonex and victor shuttles you were testing, 3) asian and western markets have different shuttles, with goose being the feather of choice in the west and duck being the feather of choice in the east. 'duck' in china, especially southern china, is usually a larger white bird a lot like goose but is called by the same name as 'duck' in chinese (鸭), so the asian market 'equivalent' to AS50 would be AS05, which is said to be made from duck feathers, but in fact the feathers are very similar to the goose feathers used in AS50, 4) china is for sure the biggest single market for shuttlecocks, and the chinese market is flooded with hundreds of brands of shuttlecocks. competition is fierce, which keeps prices low. a tube of high quality competition grade AS05 (comparable to AS50 in the western market) at current exchange rates costs about 17USD in china, but you'll pay much more for shuttlecocks in korea and japan, and much much more in the UK, 5) beginning and intermediate players may prefer cheaper shuttles, because their shuttles are often not going to survive to the end of a normal lifespan due to lots of mis-hits, but the most important takeaway from your video is that for advanced players cheaper shuttlecocks are usually a false economy because the durability of better shuttles always exceeds their higher cost, and the performance curve of better shuttles tends to be flatter over the life of the shuttle
Because plastic shuttles are so inferior to feathers, and are a completely different game I don't think it would be worth Greg and Jenny doing this. All plastics are pretty much of a muchness, IME, so just buy what you want and make do.
Thank you for the great video. I've watched this right when it came out and thought about this a little more. Using all these shuttles for so long must've been a lot of work. However, I feel the point you're making is fairly obvious: pay more, get longer fun playtime with one shuttlecock. I would be very interested in a comparison in these price ranges. Could you maybe compare shuttlecocks from various brands for instance in a high or medium price segment and then determine the differences? Love your videos!
Not necessarily- some of the lowest priced shuttles actually held up better than the mid-range price, so it wasn’t as simple as “pay more = get more time with 1 shuttle”!
Not necessarily- some of the lowest priced shuttles actually held up better than the mid-range price, so it wasn’t as simple as “pay more = get more time with 1 shuttle”!
@@BadmintonInsight Love you guys! I’ll message you once my badminton video is out. It hasn’t been recorded/uploaded yet. It’ll be great if you gave it a watch once it has been uploaded 😁😄
one thing I never understood is people complaining about the "feel" and "sound" of plastic shuttles. it's a matter of habit, if you only play one of them, the other one will feel strange, as simple as that. having said that, this is a great video, fantastic work.
Im from vietnam , humid and hot country, we use mostly 74 75 barely anything over 77 (cities up north) Our country isnt as developed/rich but luckily we can get local manufactured tubes for only 10usd (about 90% as good as yonex as40)
As we’re talking about shuttles, we enjoy playing with slow speed shuttles, but you just can’t get them for love or money. Why the shortage in the market? Any idea?
This is exactly the video I was looking for. I was about to ask what shuttles do you use for play/practice. Shuttles in the US are extremely expensive. Probably the most expensive compared to any other part of the world. Did you steam the shuttles before use?
Your video was great, the testing seems flawless and you give us great information about the Shuttlecocks. Also do you have an advice on hybrid and plastic shuttles ? The badminton clubs I've been playing in use lots of hybrid and a bit of plastic for training. Anyways thanks a lot for posting this !
Thanks for another great video! I'm very excited that you guys will play in Finland this October and I will have a chance to watch your game in person. Have you considered doing any activities for subscribers while you are in Finland?
Great video as always. A little comment to help you improve your video if I may. Could we have a score-board on all shuttles tried to make sure which one is the best (for you at least). Maybe it was a choice to not do that, I respect it as well :) Thanks again for your content, loving it ! I personally use the AS30 (did not find better quality/price yet). Will try the victor as well (I am sponsored by victor as well :p)
Thanks! 😊 Yeah it was actually a conscious choice to not do something like this - the point of our testing wasn't to specifically say "this is the best" as it really depends on your budget, what's available in your area etc! But we just wanted to show "after hitting it 500 times, this is what it looked like". Hope that makes sense 🏸
Hi! i just wanna ask, what are the things you need to learn FIRST as a beginner? Im just very lost to what things I want to learn I just dont know what to do first...😢
@@BadmintonInsight definitely not for pros. The performance varies due to some XP2 shuttlecock being fake which is very common here. Still, I can say that it suits the majority of players like me which are on the weaker side 😅
Great Vid. Its always a minefield when choosing shuttles and for a lot of amateur clubs it is balance of cost. I know you are not able to test every shuttle on the market, but i would be really interested in a vid testing something like the Carlton GT1, which are nano coated aimed for durability. I got a box of 12 of these for x-mas a few years ago and thought they were not too bad, and have went through a couple of tubes over the years, but at my level it is hard to compare, and my club generally use a mid cost shuttles. Greetings from Scotland :D
Thanks a lot! Yeah as we mentioned in the video, it would be almost impossible (or at least take weeks & months) to test most shuttles on the market 🤣😅
I'm curious to find out (maybe you have an answer to this question) whether the Yonex AS40/50 and Victor Master Ace shuttles you used in this video are made in China? How about the ones we can get in retail stores across Southeast Asia, let's say Singapore and Malaysia, are these specific models of shuttles manufactured from the same Yonex/Victor factories in China and comparable in quality and durability as the ones used in your clip? Additionally, compared to the shuttles used at major BWF tournaments, how do these top-notch Yonex AS40/50 and Victor Master Ace shuttles differ in feel, playability and durability?
Obviously not perfect, but smoothing the feathers between rallies (e.g. G800) eeks out a few more points. (obviously pros just change it - fussy so-and-sos! 😉) Tricky for clubs when you have a range of abilities - would feel a bit discriminatory to hand out Drafons to some people! (although I wince at the way some people 'abuse' feathers!)
Yes we do normally do this!! And yes pros usually just change it to get a rest or break momentum (guilty) completely agree about not being able to discriminate. One thing you could try is putting slightly cheaper shuttles in the same tube as what you are using for other players? Then put this on their courts? A bit sneaky but maybe a solution if they don’t know the difference and are clearly abusing the shuttles e.g. hitting them on the floor etc
@@BadmintonInsight we're all guilty of that, don't worry! 😁 Worst crime is when people pick up the shuttle to return it to their opponents but in doing so whack the feathers first - there goes another 2 quid!
Nice guys. I have one question if I only play with nylon shuttles, do I have an benefit when I go for high end rackets ? Can you make a video about it?
Off topic but do you guys have any video on how to play overhead shots. I would really appreciate if u make one if u havent already. I can never seem to reach them on time, let alone play them. Thank you and great video as always:)
I noticed a pattern when using tournament grade shuttlecocks. Tournament grade shuttles' quality are consistent and more durable to more hard hits, but has very brittle feathers so they are very unforgiving for players who always miss hitting feathers. I wonder if this has anything to with goose feathers being used compared to duck feathers used for non-tournament shuttles.
In Sri Lanka we use a shuttle called Ling-Mai and Lining Gold the most. We experienced that in a high altitude where it's the coldest place in the country the shuttle is extremely fast, even speed 75 would not make it normal. Is that the same you experience?
After hitting almost 6000 shuttles for this video, we hope you found it useful! 😁 What shuttles do you use? Will you be changing after watching this video? Let us know below! ⬇️
Please review the synthetic shuttle video.
i personally use plastic shuttles as feather shuttles break a lot for me as i practice a lot and its not feasible for me to keep buying shuttles as they arent quite that cheap
Please consider ethical shuttle. 🙏
Some shops & warehouses sometimes have delayed shipments. So I buy what is available in bulk. I use Li-Ning G500, G600, & G800. Victor Champion 1 & Master 3 (my favorite). Surprisingly, I can get 2 games out of the G500.
It's silly that in France (at least in my area), it's so hard to find good shuttles. Buying them on the internet is almost mandatory; in that respect, it's very nice of you to share your experience. I like to play with Yonex Aerosansa 20, but I'll try the 40 if I can. I used to like RSL 3, but they're getting less and less consistent (in my opinion).
Hitting over 6000 shuttles and filming for 9 hours is absolutely insane. Really appreciate the work and dedication you both put in to the videos. I have tried all the yonex shuttles but I also prefer the victor more as well. Sometimes I wish I could go grab all the shuttles the pros discard during tournaments 😂.
Thank you so much 😁 Glad you appreciate the efforts! Haha, so do we!!!!
@@BadmintonInsightYour editing was so good my teacher decided to use one of your videos for us to learn to.
6000 shots and 9 hours of filming! You guys are amazing! Thank you!
It will be interesting to hear your thoughts on hybrid shuttles as well.
Cheers
Ah thank you so much, it means a lot that you appreciate our efforts 😊🏸
Subjectively, your testing largely matches my own experience. Yehlex Purple were a common choice at junior tournaments when by son was competing on the junior circuit. Personally, I found them very fast out of the tube, but slowed dramatically after just a handful of rallies, making the judgement of clears and drives very challenging. The Yonex 30 is a good compromise shuttle for clubs and county-level. I was surprised you had one fail so early in the testing. Generally, they seem fairy durable to me. I have no experience with Victor (would love to try them!). The Yonex 50 is a lovely shuttle and some decades ago I played in a league match at Woodhill Prison, Milton Keynes (yes, against actually prisoners and guards - the only place we never felt like disputing a line call LOL) and they were using the then top tournament grade Carlton feather shuttles that were really good, too. That's your taxpayer pounds at work.
Jenny and Greg doing gods work for the badminton community. Good job!
Thank you for watching & for the support! 😁
Where I am the Victor Master Ace is $28 a tube. And Yonex Aerosensa 50 is $40 a tube. No one uses them though, we use $9 a tube shuttles. There's a recent trend of using hybrid shuttles that cost similarly but greatly increases shuttles durability.
Thanks for making this video! I've been searching for good shuttles to buy for a while now and really needed this!
We play with a 5 pound a tube of 10. Its hand made and we buy from manufacturer. He has adjusted the weight and speed according to our humidity and temperature. It lasts almost 2 club level games. Overall the price and quality is perfect for us. The international companies have unnecessarily kept the price so high. AS 50 is available in KL at 20 pounds.Its high time they should rationalise the price and reduce their margins there by higher adoption.
From a club perspective , seconds and use outside of match play is very valuable as it is not about just the elite playees , but for wider use at club practise. 😊
Yes - we keep all of our shuttles for our 'multi-feed' box 😁
Great video, as the secretary of my club the cost of shuttles is one of the biggest issues we face (along with spiralling court costs). We use AS30s but its interesting to see how much more durability you might get from the top tier shuttles.
We've used plastics over the summer to save money which wasnt enjoyable!
Very informative video , I only hope that one day the federation will change the feathers to synthetic so that poor innocent geese don't have to have their feathers plucked while they are alive and then killed just for a sport, especially when there are many more alternatives out there , regardless of level . Thanks guys
Hi Greg and Jenny! You guys really inspire me in playing badminton and I love your content you make. You guys taught me how to play badminton with your tutorials, and now because of you I've achieved my goal to be a varsity. Thank you so much!❤
Ah that’s great to hear! Thank you for the comment 😃
Super fun to watch. Personally using LiNing G800 and Aeroplane. Victor master ace and Yonex AS 50 are more on the expensive side for me so far.
Awesome video, shuttle testing is very underrated in my opinion, really glad to see you do a comparison video on this :D
Thanks 😃 Glad you liked it!
Started following your channel and find all your videos useful. As someone completely new to badminton (mine and my wifes rackets are arriving today) weve been looking to get the best start we can, racket grip etc. We are only playing for fun and to get moving a little but your videos are appreciated.
Since you're in the UK, I would love you to review the Airchy shuttlecocks. They're very durable and seem to be very good value for money.
Bloody hell that's what I call considerable research. Good job!
Thanks for the extensive test! Would have been cool if you threw a hybrid shuttle into the mix because they seem to really gain traction among recreational players with a tight budget. Maybe you could test them too? I believe most hybrids are made by the same company (Dmantis 3in1) with different OEM branding. Would be interesting to hear what pro players think about them.
We’ll definitely take a look at them! For this one we just wanted to focus on feathers otherwise it would have been very long!
@@BadmintonInsightfair enough! Looking forward to your opinion on hybdrids 😊
I've tried Bird2 hybrids and while they have a much better flight than plastics, they're still far short of the quality of feathers for "proper" play. I wonder why no-one has tried fabricating plastic feathers and fitting them to a conventional cork base - they should fly like feathers but be much more durable.
@@stevemawer848 aren't the Bird2 full plastic? Hybrid means they still have real feathers (depending on the brand either goose like Babolat, or duck like FZ Forza), but are part plastic which makes them cheaper in production and more durable. I'm wondering the same thing, with today's engineering and possibilities, wouldn't it be possible to produce a great nylon shuttle, also for the animal's sake? There were efforts to develop fully synthetic feather shuttles (e.g. Victor Carbonsonic) but reviews suggest that they are not significantly more durable than real feathers.
@@tschoo6476 They have a cork tip which makes them a bit heavier than "plastic" shuttles, and they fly a bit more like feathers. So not full plastic, hence hybrid?
I've always watched these videos, very helpful and informative and great editing! Won a local tournament thanks to your guidance!
Thanks Jenny and Greg for this video!
One question tough, if top tier shuttles are able to withstand couple hundred of shots, why they are changed so often during pro matches?
Pros are often picky and superstitious. They'll also change just to get another 5 seconds of rest time.
Interesting🤔
If you're not paying for shuttles, why wouldn't you always want a new one! 🙂
Thanks for watching 😁 Yep, some correct answers below haha! Our thoughts: players change shuttles frequently for many different reasons: it's slightly fluffy and they want to keep the shuttles speed (so they change it), they're tired and want a rest (so they change it), or they've lost a couple of points in a row and want to break their opponents momentum (so they change it). It's not as simple as "it's broken so lets change it"!
@@BadmintonInsight
Thanks for answer ^^
Hmm, so are the shuttles still in good condition then reused in some way e.g donated to local clubs?
If no, it seems like quite a lot of waste. Everything according to rules but still...
Great review, thank you so much! I’m really curious how the Aeroplane Black (EG1130) fares against these other shuttles. It is one of the most popular shuttles in the Bay Area (San Francisco) as well as the Boston area. We are seeing more Victor Master Ace use as well btw.
Aeroplane Black also most popular w int-adv players in Toronto, Canada.
would be good to see the Aeroplane Black EG1130 and the RSL Tourney No 1
I love badminton since I was young and was playing it just for fun on our front yard, parks or whereever for as long as there's a space where we can enjoy playing. I haven't played it yet with a net. I have an incoming friendly "competition" for our Unity Games which we members of the Church of Christ/Iglesia Ni Cristo celebrate every year. I thought I needed to know the basics and the easiest way to find out of course is through YT. I found your channel jjust yesterday, subscribed and been watching videos and it helped me so much to understand a lot of things as a beginner. I only have 9 days to practice and I guess I would be eliminated at once, LOL Hopefully not, but it doesn't really matter. Just joining it gave me some confidence already. I guess I will continue playing for health reasons. Thanks so much for your amazing videos. 👏👏👏👏
this is my favourite channel soo far ❤❤❤
I've experimented with a wide range of shuttlecocks, from Perfly 560 to AS 50. At my level of play, the RSL Classic Tourney, RSL Tourney No. 1, YOUHE S100, and AERO FLIGHT 800 SUPERGRADE offer the best bang for your buck. The AS 50 is theoretically superior and more durable, but it's still vulnerable to damage from a severe mishit. Generally speaking, the priciest shuttles tend to be the most cost-effective in the long run due to their extended lifespan.
Hybrid Shuttles are tend to be more popular here in Vietnam, but I'd confess that I love the sound and the feeling of feather shuttles.
Thank you for your motivation for all these tests and of course your good mood :-)
I know I'm potentially going to raise a debate, but as a vegetarian, continuing to play using feather shuttles really isn't easy, always looking for good alternatives! I tried but apart from the classic 300, no one really wants to try anything else...
Please review plastic shuttles too, as beginners often prefer it due to durability and lower cost.
The disadvantage wit plastic shuttles is that they have a totally different feel and flight to feathers, so when you "graduate" to feathers, people will wonder if you've ever played before!
@@stevemawer848 come on, they are different but it's not "you've never played before" different xD
@@MrPiotrV It is in my experience ... YMMV.
Yeah, as a beginner myself who payes mostly with plastics, I would love to see a review of plastic shuttles too.
Plus, how do you prevent mis-hitting when playing with feathers? It has happened to me multiple times and was one reason for me to stick to plastics for now.
@@stevemawer848I mean, it cuts both ways. When you switch to plastic your friends might also wonder if you've never played.
Okay, I've been watching the videos for a few weeks. You guys deserves a subscribe and like.👍
You guys should try 3in1 Shuttles, it's a combination between plastic and feather shuttles, it uses feathers, but it's plasting near the cork.
Terrific video. I would like to know about the hybrid shuttles (kawasaki 500). Most of us can't afford real feathers. 😢
i use the Pioneer G100 nylon plastic shuttles tbh they are the best!
after watching your video I bought a tube for us to try - Victor Master Ace 78 speed. A success! thankyou
best feather shuttle with in low budget is Aerosensa 2, Lining D3, Victor no.1
Really appreciate the effort you put into testing the shuttles. Based on this we tried the Victor Champion Ace at our fairly standard club night. We use Yehlex Championship at around £19 per tube. The Victor ones at £33 are 1.75x more expensive. Sadly we did not get the results you did. The Victor shuttles did last longer but not by much. I think the results you obtained are mainly down to the quality of your game. You admitted very few if any mishits. Sadly club players mishit often, otherwise we would all be playing against you guys. Way too expensive for club play. Will try one tube for league match this week and see how that goes with just the better players from two clubs.
Thanks Alan 😊 Oh that's a shame, but yes as you mention in your comment we are rarely mishitting shuttles and like we said in the video, this is a key factor to how long shuttles will last! Hope you get more out of them in the league matches - and good luck for them! 🏸
Can we have an up to date video on buying a new racket etc?
Noted! Our old one has good information but not the best quality 😂
@@BadmintonInsight sorry I just need spoon feeding with badminton info 🤣tell me what racket to buy and I’ll get it lol
@@jamesshelley6478 First you need to decide what sort of racquet you like - head heavy, head light, or even balance, and what your budget is! I'm an even balance man, and have a range of Carlton racquets (I love 'em, sorry, Jenny and Greg!) from $45 to £190 (although I didn't pay that much for it - clearance sales are great!).
Great video, but we probably all have noticed that, shuttle availability varies a lot dependent where you’re. And from my personal experience, shuttles quality from big brand like yonex, victor also varies from where you buy them from. If you’re not living in the uk, probably the best way of buying shuttle is to ask local club what do they use.
Yes the brands typically offer similar line-ups worldwide, but they can definitely vary!
Thank you for the dedication to test the shuttles, it was indeed insightful to see the various different options, and yes you are right, definitely worth the investment to get higher end shuttles. For the level that my peers and I are playing at, we are using RSL Supreme, lasts pretty well for us. If we can afford it, definitely would love to play with the AS40/50 and Master Ace for sure haha.
Thanks a lot, glad you enjoyed the video 🥳
We use the AS50 in Germ the most , they´re amazing.
Hey, great video! Totally different topic, but I was wondering how you guys stay motivated when you’re having a period where you don’t win anything. How do you deal with it and how do you overcome this? It’s only about the mental process because the techniques are not the problem for the moment… I would love to hear your advise on this 😊
My boyfriend and I always look forward to a new video of you guys ☺️
You have to analyse your losses and learn from them! If you heed the lesons that should keep you motivated. And also consider often you're more likely to lose than win (nobody wins all the time, not even Victor!) so you have to accept that it's part of the game. Buit so long as you enjoy playing, that's enough! When you stop enjoying it, stop playing. 🙂
haha, we paid for the tubes from our own pocket "just to be clear" but Victor is our sponsor and lucky for them they seem the best among all :I Love such tests
They showed all the results from all their tests, you can make your own conclusion if you didn't like theirs
We use the fly tournament they cost as much as the aerosena 30 but last 4 to 5 times longer than the 30. I isimlpy love them. Sad u didnt include them
i bought some fz forza hybrid 5000 3-in-1 shuttles. i find them to be very durable compared to feather shuttles(even more than the victor master ace), but they also fly quite a bit further. we usually play with 77 speed and people shoot out more often with these shuttles. i think this is just how hybrid shuttles fly.
I recommend RSL shuttles the black and green one I forgot what's its called but they are good for beginners and intermediate players
Most popular are these: Aeroplan black, LingMei Pro90, Chao Red.
Chao Red
Thank you Jenny and Greg now I know what shuttle I should use
Brilliant! Just what was needed!
Ah that’s great to hear 😃
(You were good to remind us this fantastic trick shot you did in Copenhagen last time 😉)
😂
Hey,
thank you for the video, I always wondered how different shuttles compare. I saw you playing in Bad Vilbel today, definitely a special moment for me, although the match did not went your way. Wish you all the best for the future!
Ah no way - you should have said hi 😊
Hi Greg and Jenny i am a big fan of yours i really like your videos and getting inspired by it i just got a request that please do a challenge again of if you win you get 100 dollars those videos are so interesting like seeing the people's playing and winning prices its reallt fun to see . btw please visit india once and do that challenge here also . thank u
Ah thank you so much! We will do it again soon 😊
@@BadmintonInsight welcome 😄
I've been waiting for thisss, great video once again !!
Great video! Thanks for this. Just a thought tho:
If you did all this in a single session from cheap --> expensive wouldn't it create a rather strong bias in favor of expensive?
I imagine the first 100x smashes will have have close to 100% of your power.
The last 100x smashes are likely to have >90% of your power.
I imagine at your level of Badminton the 10% is a massive difference for a shuttle 🙈
Is there a video like this for plastic/nylon shuttles too?
Is there an expiration date for plastic shuttles? How long can we store them?
That was waaaay more interesting that I expected! Thanks for your hard work, diligence and entertainment!
Question: What are the criteria for changing the shuttle in a pro match?
In my country Indonesia, the producers of victor shuttle here also make their own brand named Regency gold, honestly i never tried those shuttle but my friends said it was the same quality as victor gold but has cheaper price which is 5 or 6 pounds maybe
Awh, I was kinda hoping there'd be RSL shuttles in the video. They're my current brand of choice, and definitely better than the AS30s.
Glad we could help 😃
Hi Guys. Do you plan to do a comparison of "hybrid" and plastic shuttles ?
We're not sure to be honest - we don't use plastic shuttles so don't think we'd be best to create that video!
awesome !! super duper commitment of 6000 shots and the patience to do this for 9 hours 😍😘
Amazing effort guys 👌🏻 needs pure dedication.
Thank you 😁
Hey guys! Could you maybe do a racket review for the new victor thruster TTY racket? Thanks in advance!
Hi Badminton Insight, can you make a video about what exercises you should do for your muscle to make a powerful smash and grip?
Smashing doesn't actually require muscle, it requires timing and technique. Dig out the Badminton Insight video on how to smash!
@@stevemawer848 No, I mean for the wrist to flick faster btw thanks for your reply
@@j.gianan As I understand it, most of the power is generated by the pronation of the forearm, all the wrist has to do is to be flexible enough not to slow down the racquet movement, no flick required, just keep it loose. Regarding the grip, just keep it loose until the point at which you strike the shuttle, that's when you need to tighten it.
i don't have money to support you but i'll just like your video and watch them.
that's a good try at breaking down a big topic. some comments from an asian perspective and a takeaway:
1) in asia where i train and play almost no one uses plastic, no matter how 'poor' they are-- that seems to me mostly a UK thing. even in philippines players will prefer to use a very low quality feather shuttlecock until there is almost nothing left of it than to use plastic, and in china no players at any level including permanent beginners are interested in plastic shuttlecocks,
2) i would break down shuttlecocks by durability and trajectory, which is not quite the same as speed. plastic may be slow coming off the racket or crossing the net but will have a more parabolic flight path than feathers and thus a faster feel. it's hard to describe the correct flight path to a good feather shuttle without sophisticated mathematics except to say it increasingly deviates from parabolic along its flight path so by the end of a lift it is pretty much falling straight down, and it's pretty much what you get when you high clear those higher quality yonex and victor shuttles you were testing,
3) asian and western markets have different shuttles, with goose being the feather of choice in the west and duck being the feather of choice in the east. 'duck' in china, especially southern china, is usually a larger white bird a lot like goose but is called by the same name as 'duck' in chinese (鸭), so the asian market 'equivalent' to AS50 would be AS05, which is said to be made from duck feathers, but in fact the feathers are very similar to the goose feathers used in AS50,
4) china is for sure the biggest single market for shuttlecocks, and the chinese market is flooded with hundreds of brands of shuttlecocks. competition is fierce, which keeps prices low. a tube of high quality competition grade AS05 (comparable to AS50 in the western market) at current exchange rates costs about 17USD in china, but you'll pay much more for shuttlecocks in korea and japan, and much much more in the UK,
5) beginning and intermediate players may prefer cheaper shuttles, because their shuttles are often not going to survive to the end of a normal lifespan due to lots of mis-hits, but the most important takeaway from your video is that for advanced players cheaper shuttlecocks are usually a false economy because the durability of better shuttles always exceeds their higher cost, and the performance curve of better shuttles tends to be flatter over the life of the shuttle
Do you guys have a video edited for the Hong Kong open? Thought you guys did well🙂
Please do a similar video for plastic shuttles🙏🏼
Because plastic shuttles are so inferior to feathers, and are a completely different game I don't think it would be worth Greg and Jenny doing this. All plastics are pretty much of a muchness, IME, so just buy what you want and make do.
Informative video as always, good to focus on the price rather than the brand since you are sponsored by Victor. 👍
Thanks! 👍
Thank you for the great video. I've watched this right when it came out and thought about this a little more. Using all these shuttles for so long must've been a lot of work.
However, I feel the point you're making is fairly obvious: pay more, get longer fun playtime with one shuttlecock.
I would be very interested in a comparison in these price ranges. Could you maybe compare shuttlecocks from various brands for instance in a high or medium price segment and then determine the differences?
Love your videos!
Not necessarily- some of the lowest priced shuttles actually held up better than the mid-range price, so it wasn’t as simple as “pay more = get more time with 1 shuttle”!
Not necessarily- some of the lowest priced shuttles actually held up better than the mid-range price, so it wasn’t as simple as “pay more = get more time with 1 shuttle”!
Is "steaming" the shuttles actually works for durability? If so how to do it "properly"?
This You-TUBE channel is very helpful and entertaining pun intended 🤪🤪🤪🤪
Haha glad you’re enjoying the videos!
@@BadmintonInsight Love you guys! I’ll message you once my badminton video is out. It hasn’t been recorded/uploaded yet. It’ll be great if you gave it a watch once it has been uploaded 😁😄
one thing I never understood is people complaining about the "feel" and "sound" of plastic shuttles. it's a matter of habit, if you only play one of them, the other one will feel strange, as simple as that. having said that, this is a great video, fantastic work.
Can you make a video about hybrid and plastic shuttles
i use the fsc 100 perfly shuttles
Im from vietnam , humid and hot country, we use mostly 74 75 barely anything over 77 (cities up north)
Our country isnt as developed/rich but luckily we can get local manufactured tubes for only 10usd (about 90% as good as yonex as40)
As we’re talking about shuttles, we enjoy playing with slow speed shuttles, but you just can’t get them for love or money.
Why the shortage in the market? Any idea?
We guess they’re less common? There have also been supply issues with shuttles over the last few years
Probably the lack of demand means it's uneconomic to stock them. And possibly to even make them!
This is exactly the video I was looking for. I was about to ask what shuttles do you use for play/practice. Shuttles in the US are extremely expensive. Probably the most expensive compared to any other part of the world. Did you steam the shuttles before use?
Hope you found the video useful! No we didn't (and never have)
Your video was great, the testing seems flawless and you give us great information about the Shuttlecocks.
Also do you have an advice on hybrid and plastic shuttles ? The badminton clubs I've been playing in use lots of hybrid and a bit of plastic for training.
Anyways thanks a lot for posting this !
you guys are the best appreciate the effort! hope you guys make more videos!!❤
Thanks for another great video! I'm very excited that you guys will play in Finland this October and I will have a chance to watch your game in person. Have you considered doing any activities for subscribers while you are in Finland?
Thanks for watching! We’re looking forward to playing in Finland 😁🏸
Hello you guys helped me a lot specially with my smash ❤ love it keep it up
If u ever come back to Malaysia could you try decathlon shuttles
Will you guys make a plastic birdie video?
Great video as always. A little comment to help you improve your video if I may. Could we have a score-board on all shuttles tried to make sure which one is the best (for you at least). Maybe it was a choice to not do that, I respect it as well :)
Thanks again for your content, loving it ! I personally use the AS30 (did not find better quality/price yet). Will try the victor as well (I am sponsored by victor as well :p)
Thanks! 😊 Yeah it was actually a conscious choice to not do something like this - the point of our testing wasn't to specifically say "this is the best" as it really depends on your budget, what's available in your area etc! But we just wanted to show "after hitting it 500 times, this is what it looked like". Hope that makes sense 🏸
Hi! i just wanna ask, what are the things you need to learn FIRST as a beginner? Im just very lost to what things I want to learn I just dont know what to do first...😢
Thanks for the info :) Here in the Philippines the brand XP2 is the most used in practices and tournaments. It costs about 13-14 US dollars.
Oh nice, we've not heard of that brand! How's the durability?
@@BadmintonInsight definitely not for pros. The performance varies due to some XP2 shuttlecock being fake which is very common here. Still, I can say that it suits the majority of players like me which are on the weaker side 😅
Great Vid. Its always a minefield when choosing shuttles and for a lot of amateur clubs it is balance of cost. I know you are not able to test every shuttle on the market, but i would be really interested in a vid testing something like the Carlton GT1, which are nano coated aimed for durability. I got a box of 12 of these for x-mas a few years ago and thought they were not too bad, and have went through a couple of tubes over the years, but at my level it is hard to compare, and my club generally use a mid cost shuttles. Greetings from Scotland :D
Thanks a lot! Yeah as we mentioned in the video, it would be almost impossible (or at least take weeks & months) to test most shuttles on the market 🤣😅
I'm curious to find out (maybe you have an answer to this question) whether the Yonex AS40/50 and Victor Master Ace shuttles you used in this video are made in China? How about the ones we can get in retail stores across Southeast Asia, let's say Singapore and Malaysia, are these specific models of shuttles manufactured from the same Yonex/Victor factories in China and comparable in quality and durability as the ones used in your clip?
Additionally, compared to the shuttles used at major BWF tournaments, how do these top-notch Yonex AS40/50 and Victor Master Ace shuttles differ in feel, playability and durability?
Obviously not perfect, but smoothing the feathers between rallies (e.g. G800) eeks out a few more points. (obviously pros just change it - fussy so-and-sos! 😉)
Tricky for clubs when you have a range of abilities - would feel a bit discriminatory to hand out Drafons to some people! (although I wince at the way some people 'abuse' feathers!)
Yes we do normally do this!! And yes pros usually just change it to get a rest or break momentum (guilty) completely agree about not being able to discriminate. One thing you could try is putting slightly cheaper shuttles in the same tube as what you are using for other players? Then put this on their courts? A bit sneaky but maybe a solution if they don’t know the difference and are clearly abusing the shuttles e.g. hitting them on the floor etc
@@BadmintonInsight we're all guilty of that, don't worry! 😁
Worst crime is when people pick up the shuttle to return it to their opponents but in doing so whack the feathers first - there goes another 2 quid!
Nice guys.
I have one question if I only play with nylon shuttles, do I have an benefit when I go for high end rackets ? Can you make a video about it?
You will yes but probably not as much! Your strings will play a part too
@@BadmintonInsight HOW WOULD YOU RANK THEM IN ORDER, THANK YOU.
Off topic but do you guys have any video on how to play overhead shots. I would really appreciate if u make one if u havent already. I can never seem to reach them on time, let alone play them. Thank you and great video as always:)
thank you for the hard work. Insightful!
You guys are just AMAZING, continue like that I love your content !!!
Thank you so much!! We'll try our best 😁
Theres one question im asking what if indoors?
I noticed a pattern when using tournament grade shuttlecocks.
Tournament grade shuttles' quality are consistent and more durable to more hard hits, but has very brittle feathers so they are very unforgiving for players who always miss hitting feathers.
I wonder if this has anything to with goose feathers being used compared to duck feathers used for non-tournament shuttles.
ling mei gold,dim gray and black has been exceptional for me. coming from a malaysian fans.
Plastic works for us and our budget. Interesting to know about anyway.
Always gotta use what works best for you! Thanks for watching 😊
Could u explain the court out rules
In Sri Lanka we use a shuttle called Ling-Mai and Lining Gold the most. We experienced that in a high altitude where it's the coldest place in the country the shuttle is extremely fast, even speed 75 would not make it normal. Is that the same you experience?
W video, deserved a sub
Really Cool video thank you for everything u do
Thanks for watching!
I use RSL supreme