Boaters residing in South San Francisco marina told to find new place to live
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2022
- People who’ve called South San Francisco’s Oyster Cove Marina home, in some cases for many years, are being told they have to find a new place to live. Max Darrow reports. (7/12/22)
You better take the 10 grand while you can, bro. They’re gonna move you out either way.
True that, take it and move on.
If they stood together, they could have gotten more.
Right!! This ain't 1700's.. the owners own land and the rest belongs to govt.... for some odd reason
@Issan Cali Reject They could have gotten way more than that. In 2016, my building decided to kick us all out because they wanted to upgrade it significantly. They offered us $7k. 29 tenants total. We were able to get $20K apiece after we took them to court. We never went to court, they settled. These poor people should have done it when they got the first letter. I feel sad that nobody presented this to them. People in these comments thinks this is the city of San Francisco. It's not. It's the city of South San Francisco in San Mateo County. That county has tons of tenant resources for eviction defense that would have helped them for free. It's the Bay Area, they need all the money they can get.
Why would anyone in his right mind live in California anyway?
Why would anyone who rents expect that things won't ever change. Renting never offers housing stability.
Like owning a house is stability ?! LOL! No one owns a house.
@@FlixCreEightR Actually, I do. Are you suggesting that renting offers more stability and equity generation?
@@alexthai4957
If you pay property taxes (rent) you don’t own it.
@@russellhobbs4945 It's a moot point when you consider that the renter pays the landlord's property tax as it's built into the rent along with a hefty profit.
f u
I'm a boater and I've even lived on my boat at times. I have a boat in a marina right now. I feel sorry for them, but if you want a boat slip forever, you need to buy a boat slip.
True but even buying a boat slip the government still has the right to acquire it from you, nothing in this world is guaranteed
yah not sure what the problem is. I know moorage is tight and spendy there.
but hell. $10k.... for that i would live on the hook for awhile.
heck more than enough to transit the canal and start a new life in the Caribbean
It's only like $800 to use the Panama canal for anything under 50'... Fuel & food stuff is pretty expensive on the islands though... But still $10k and a vacation to the Caribbean sounds like a deal to me.
@@johnmurkwater1064 that price has doubled since last year.
@@johnmurkwater1064 I haven't priced it recently but from what I've heard it's only going up and was above 800. Still far less than 10k though so your point still stands.
The landlord (the Marina owner) is offering you 10K and 4 months free slip rental, grab it and move on. Life changes, circumstances change. Adapt and thrive stay stagnant and drown.
Srsly. I hate moving and id be happy to get kicked out and go through all the work for that free rent and check. All they have to do is motor over to a new slip. U can get used outboard for less then 10k if their motor isnt running too. Its fricken christmas for them
I suspect he's overwhelmed about the logistics of moving his boat, if it can even be moved, where to go, etc. Some people need guidance on the steps and resources to take in order to manage the change.
@@GonzoDonzo I despise moving, period. And I hate change. But to move all my stuff--in situ--to another location after 4 months free rent PLUS $10k??? That would be a dream! Wish someone would do that for me in my little hovel of an apartment, good grief.
Said it all Paul
The deal and time given is amazing. U couldnt expect more then what their offering.
The title of the video should be "Marina owner offers amazing eviction deal"
It's not so amazing when you realize that most cities have severe limits on the number of liveaboard berths available, so most likely these folks have no where else to go within say 200 miles.
@@LoanwordEggcorn they voted for the legislators who made those laws. Its not something new in the bay area so they cant claim ignorance
@@GonzoDonzo The liveaboard boat owners may or may not have voted for them, but their NIMBY neighbors probably did.
Yeah, they say a bunch took the deal.
What if it were you?
I live on my sailing boat and if a marina asked me to leave and offered 10k to do so I'd say where do I sign. I think the boaters have been treated more than fairly, we live on boats for a reason so we can take our homes wherever we go so to complain that you have to move your home is a little puzzling to me but that might have something to do with my next point, but the only thing I can sympathize with them on is finding a marina that accepts livaboards, my trick is to just pull up pay my fees be really nice and helpful to the staff be super tidy and super quiet and then when they finally realise you live on your boat 99% of the time they will let it slide, it's worked everywhere I go, but if you ring a marina and ask if they accept livaboards they'll say NO 99% of the time.
I think it's because these people have JOBS that pay them well enough that they don't want to move. They probably have friends and family in the area, too. They said it wasn't about money as much as it was about being UPROOTED and forced to leave.
@@shulishow Your reply has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. Next time, pay attention.
@@tedunguent156 Well, boo hoo for them. People are uprooted and forced to move for jobs or other circumstances all the time. These people are renters. Landlords can boot them as soon as the lease is up.
@@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb Thanks for your worthless, self-centered comment. I guess you just had to make it all about you.
@@tedunguent156 it has absolutely everything to do with what you wrote. You can deny it however you want.
Don’t know what they’re complaining about, to be given 10 G to find a new place is generous. The owner of the property has the right to do what they want with the property. If you’re renting, you’re a renter. But it was a great place while you were there
Except no one owns the water he just owns the dock.
Easy to say when it’s not your situation.
10,000 is 5 months rent here.
Time to move to Texas!🤘🤭🤭🤭
@@ronaldstephens1792 So they can face rolling blackouts and down electrical grids? Wish Texas would succeed. It would take one Winter or Summer for them to crawl back into the arms of government assistance.
Forced out of their homes?!?!? They can literally take their homes with them, and park them, for the most part, wherever the hell they want. There’s boats at the Marina (Fancy) and then there’s boats anchored about 300 feet from shore…
(When your boat can’t move to another marina, it’s not water worthy)
The marinas in San Francisco majority of them are full and have long waiting list
We aren't talking about homeless or the bottom rung of society. Some have actually planed their retirement there. These people have legal agreements which are abruptly being terminated. They have arranged there lives around their living conditions which are convenient for them. Moving their boat further away from their jobs and the life they know WILL be expensive and disrupt their lives.
@@pablorobles1277 Yeah...gas is expensive. 😄
@@pablorobles1277 - Yep, contracts apparently are no longer binding.
@@pablorobles1277 Good point, I did t think of that, thanks for the info.
Hell yeah nobody’s ever offered me $10,000 to move !!! They don’t own the property so anybody who’s complaining about being evicted but offered $10,000 to do so is crazy.
One would think that, but just how many marinas offer live aboard monthly/quarterly/yearly leases in that area. I would also bet the government stipulates the percentage of live aboard slips to the available slips.
So if they are retired on a fixed income it may just be next to impossible for them to find a slip elsewhere. That will mean they will end up at anchor then face the issues that come with that.
Problem is, living aboard a boat is not allowed in many places, so they might have a real hard time finding something else.
@@seanrhone5306 Exactly. It's wrong for people to be told they can't "live" aboard a boat by any government. Not the only thing our government oversteps on. The government here says they have nothing to do with it and it is the owners of the Private Marina.
There are many that do live aboard but are on the move around constantly, anchoring here and there, and do put into transient docks for a few nights to a month or so. But that takes quite a bit of money. So the elite yet again have privilege.
Sometimes it is best to have so many live aboard slips in a Marina as they provide a little bit of security. If they see something they are likely to call the cops. Even Marinas that have security fencing and gates are not all that safe as the area still accessible from the water.
Its not that simple as just moving as a live aboard in puget sound more marinas refuse every year because the same companies buyong real estate are buying marinas and they want RENTERS who also have boats
Don't be greedy 🤡
That’s actually a pretty nice marina. It has been well kept as far as marinas go. But the land owner has decided to do something else with the property. He has provided adequate notification and is within legal requirements. Plus his offer to waive rent is pretty unusual.
At the end of the day, if you don’t own the land (or water in this case) you live on, your at risk to lose it on short notice.
It water dumpass. They should drown the owner!!
It will be something mean & boring
You rent at the whim of the landlord.
I own a rental condo near Chicago, if I wanted my tenant out at the end of their next contract, that’s my right. As is their right not to renew for another year or two.
Yeah you can't tell your landlord that he can't sell the land or repurpose it because you don't have another place to go that is as cheap. That' the whole point.
"end of contract" you say
this could be "breech of contract" if they just "canceled" all leases,
it will be in the fine print
Chicago ?? Like who the hell wants to rent in that killing fields of America?
@@norms3913 not all of Chicago is bad. The Chicago metropolitan district extends from Indiana to Wisconsin and west to Rockford.
A majority of the crime comes from the southern suburbs and Northern areas around Zion and Waukegan.
Landlords are a societal evil.
This marina is privately owned. They can do anything they want. These people are basically renters complaining that their landlord is kicking them out. They have no standing. Renting offers absolutely no stability whatsoever, whether you've been there for 10 months or 10 years. Most renters will never get offered the money you have to leave so take it and go while it's still being offered.
Melodee V: Is this the best way to run the economy? Millions of people are homeless. As a former landlord, I get it, but I don't have to like it.
@@sandramorey2529 Its not up to the landlord to run the economy.
10k plus free rent in the meantime and they have until october. Its an amazing deal and only a moron would complain
If all the live in boaters in the marina left except the last two they must know something that these last two live in boaters aren't getting.
Their is no course of legal action these two live in boaters can take against the marina and they may jeopardize getting the 10k from the marina if they try legal action against marina.
They had long-term leases that got cancelled. The landlord will be sued for breach of contract.
I am always surprised to hear how people from big cities feel like they should be able to stay in rented or leased property forever and dictate who their neighbors should be.
It’s a risk that you take when you choose to live on a boat and rent a slip. It’s much harder to find a slip to rent than it is a home on land to rent. Comparing the two is apples to oranges.
Renters can't expect to live in one place forever. Properties change hands and new owners sometimes want do do different things with their property. I was renting a home from a couple who had gotten married. The guy moved in with her and rented me his place. Four years later they separated and he told me he needed his place back. It was totally understandable. He gave me adequate time to find a new place and didn't charge me rent the last month.
How do you do something else with a marina in the middle of environmental psycho central? Fill it in for housing? That will take 30 years. But the marina looks 80% empty, so something is very wrong.
Not homeless, slip-less. Sadly, nothing lasts forever. Hopefully this window turns into a door for them.
With no access other liveaboard marinas nearby, there is only so long you can live on anchor without electricity or water access
@@Niaaal And if they've been living there for decades, some of those boats may not even be capable of traveling.
@@Niaaal Many of these should have water makers and solar panels.
@@jonothandoeser while that thought would be great, unfortunately water makers and solar panels are just insufficient and don't produce enough to have a normal usage of both electricity and water
@@Niaaal That's not true.Plenty of boaters use their water makers exclusive and never use shore water. Modern solar panels provide more than adequate power as long as the sun is shining.
MOve them to one of those empty mansions that polititcians use as guest homes for visitors
No, that's where the illegal immigrants are going. That's what the Mexican jumping bean predicted.
MaraLago is too far
All you younger generation renters better watch this story closely and remember it because they’ll be coming for you next. 17 years of your life in what you thought was a home and then you’re out just like that…
And to add insult to injury, it's very difficult to escape that rent and save for a starter home due to the increase in prices.
I lived on a boat in SF Bay Area for many years. But I could see the writing on the wall and moved out.
There was a wall?!
@@melissachartres3219 Yeah. My two good eyes and common sense.
They need to take the money and run. My friend had this eviction thing happen. She got lucky in that the new owner moved her to a different building for the same price to remodel her building. I doubt if the marina company would do something like that.
Sounds like it's all about the money. Bet the Marina can get more when they lease to non live aboard slips. The size of the slips are usually larger so big Cabin Cruisers/Yachts would be in there paying a bunch more no doubt.
I was forced out of San Diego in 1995 anchor out Gloriaita bay
turned out to be a blessing I moved to Az an now own 5 houses most I rent out 4 of them
I now own a Nor’Sea 27 trailerable sailboat
there is life east of highway 1
I think the Marina owner is being more than fair. Giving them time to sell their boats or figure out where they need to sail and dock next plus $10,000 and saving the rental payments for 4 whole months.
I think you’re a bot.
@@daikucoffee5316
Think what you want it's a free Country
@@actorsinsider9967 👍
@@actorsinsider9967 Free country my ass
Sounds like the owners have been very generous and accommodating so far!..
It is not at all generous to kick people out of their residence
10 grand is a drop in the bucket in the Bay area
And finding other live aboard moorage on the entire west coast is getting harder all the time
The owners see money and they are willing to expedite the evictions with a payoff
Do they have the right to do this? Yes
Coldness and money over people is the American way
They are just making a money grab
@@750count which part is "thiers"? Just like mobile home parks, you don't own anything but rent the air for your living space.
@@whatsup5791 Yes, they own their boats
But the reside at the marina
The marina is kicking them out
I am certain that you do not understand the difficulty of finding live aboard moorage
It is a very serious situation for them
@@erikh9991 The boats are theirs
Of course the marina is privately owned
The owner have the right to evict the tenants as I said
It's not against the law to be greedy
I think the owners of the marina have every right to use it anyway they see fit they're the ones with the investment and I think they're being very fair offering $10,000 and the amount of time they're giving everyone to move if somebody's on a boat that doesn't run that's not the Marina's fault that's their fault
I live in the embarcadero marina Newport or. They tried to vote the owners out. Did not pass.
@@matthewszalkowski4719 California is another world. To control and tie the hands of a business owner like that is so wrong.
There is no other state in this country taxed, regulated, controlling and run like a communist state like California.
And over 50% of your income is given away. It's a joke. People are so ignorant.
California is a joke to the rest of the country.
If logic and common sense say turn left, California government turns right.
Get your head out of the sand folks.
Wow
Tell them you are a illegal and the governor will protect you and pay your rent.
Marina owner being forced to "re evaluate long term limits for the marina" is doublespeak for being offered a shitton of cash to force everyone out, it's obvious. People that have been there for decades now being forced to find another marina in this economy will be a daunting task for sure........
This is why I have Never rented since leaving school. You must always own your home. Yes it can be stolen with eminent domain but you do own the equity and eminent domain can be dragged out in the courts for years. Never ever ever rent anything you really need.
You don't own that home. You are renting it.
And just like that...young people (many burdened with college debt) are supposed to be able to afford a home in today's economic situation? They can't even save much due to such high rent rates. When they do save up for a down payment, the goal posts are moved again. I feel for the younger generation - many will never have the opportunity for true upward mobility and home ownership. We're quickly becoming a renter nation, and it will impact the US in negative ways.
@@kristinab1078 burdened with debt they willing took on.
@@dieselguy62 It's a different ball game now. The average college graduate has a significant disparity in life-time earnings compared to their noncollege counterpart; therefore, going to college (for most) becomes more of a forced choice. Unless someone has technical skills (AC, welding, truck driving, etc.) most people will struggle financially more without a degree, especially women who usually aren't in these fields.
In the 60s, 70s, and even the 80s people could often move up in businesses without a full college education. College education was also relatively more affordable. Most students I knew, back in the day, were able to pay for much of their tuition by working during the summer. It may still be possible at a few low-cost state schools, but likely rare.
@@kristinab1078 college is the biggest waste of money ever.
Research
Nothing is forever. Should've planned ahead just in case
This trend has been going on for a number of years. Insurance, EPA requirements, and waterfront property being redeveloped for condos, etc. A lot of marinas now will not let you keep a boat in the water, because of the bottom paint.
New old story, Rich displacing the less rich.
Tis why I buy surplus bottom paint from the US Navy. Watch the online GSA auctions. It still has all the good stuff in it and is EPA exempt. Lasts easily 25 years with minimal cleaning.
@@TamagoHead if you own a boat you're rich
@@ashishpatel350 I have a boat for fishing & sharing. You are correct tho. I’m not wealthy in terms of money, but love goes around in a circle that grows, so I’m rich in that way.
@@ashishpatel350 so you say...I would say it is a matter of perspective
It's unfortunate but all good things must come to an end. And as far as Mr. Klein is concerned, I suspect he'll try to hold out until the bitter end in the hope of a bigger payout.
Yep. And he'll get nothing.
The city could do something proactive. They could smooth the process for another marina to expand and accommodate these mariners. That would be a win win for all parties.
Isn't the ability to leave at anytime the point of living on a boat
Here's a question mark for you... ? It's for your interrogative sentence.
The real problem isn’t Kilroy. Our issue is all the regulatory agencies and their unelected bureaucrats. This includes the Bay Conservation and Development Commission, the San Mateo Harbor District, Sacramento County, the EPA, etc., even our state government. Boats are not classified as vehicles or homes, but rather as “fill” under the McAteer-Petris Act, and this is indicative of the general attitude. An arbitrary limit of 10% per marina is placed on liveaboards and enforced with the full power of the state.
This is not about pollution as all vessels are inspected by the harbor authorities, and can be inspected at will by the US Coast Guard (mine has been, and they were always very professional and courteous) to assure that they cannot dump waste. (We wouldn’t anyway because the marina is our “front yard” and anyone dumping anything would soon become the focus of many irate neighbors.) The plethora of fish, birds, even jellyfish and porpoises in the marina is evidence of this.
It is not about congestion: marinas can easily be 50% populated without problems with noise or facilities.
It is not about safety, as there are heavy steel locking gates, and liveaboards know everyone on their pier and watch everything. We are always there for each other, be it medical emergencies, mechanical problems, or just needing a ride. We are a tightly knit community reminiscent of small towns in days gone by.
In sum, all this is about is preventing boaters from using the waters, waters which belong to all of us and which we have a right to use.
As you can see from the video, over half of us have been driven out. Our 78 year old neighbor who is disabled, on a fixed income, and just lost her husband is reduced to sleeping on someone’s living room couch. An elderly retired man is facing a solo voyage to Mexico and a total uprooting of his life just to find a place which will tolerate liveaboards. A fully disabled neighbor living on $1,200 a month disability got told by a social worker that all they could do is put her in a homeless shelter in the San Francisco Tenderloin. She can barely take care of herself, and wouldn’t last a month there.
Please help us. Contact your elected representatives, and let them know how you feel.
These people are living in the most expensive place in the country. Yet always consider themselves victimized. I wish I had the $$$ to live in such a place
And when your place is next?
@@melelconquistador I wouldn't put myself in such a high profile, expensive area, then cry poor.
Why though? Where do you live that's so much worse than literally the black plague resurfacing in the community?
I honestly don’t see the big deal in leaving said marina and finding another, your not homeless your slipless….your house is a vessel, your home is the sea.
It depends if his boat is still seaworthy to move to another slip...and if there is another affordable slip in the area.
same stuff developers have always done. Take over affordable areas, and make it expensive. They never care about what happens to people, never.
Amen🙏📖💕
Its not their job to care. How about you buy the marina and run it into the red. haha
@@francismarion6400 Well, we know about you now.
@@seemoore57 Easy for you to sit back and tell others what to do with their money and their property. But you are no one.
@@francismarion6400 lol and neither are you
Can I steal anything I want in SF still?
Depends on what you look like.
Yes you may! As long as you don't have a registered address and a bank account with over 1k they can garnish with fines!
The Marina owners want to evict them so they can tripple the fees for the new residents. Pure greed, nothing more.
Nothing like showing your appreciation to your customers that have supported you for decades. Greed, the American way!
Y’all boaters complaining about this do realize how horrible it makes you look, right?
How many times had the marina raised rent on you in 12 years?
• I’ll tell ya, not once.
“The marina provided a very very very short notice.”
• Dude, it was more than a 90 day notice. Legally they only had to give you 60 days notice but they granted you more time. How long do you need, and how long of a notice do you think apartment renters get?
Marina is offering you $10,000 to leave, and you thought “I’m going to the news.”
• SMH, Y’all are spoiled as hell and absolutely ridiculous people!
Based on California 60 days to vacate or quit laws, they only had to give you a 60 day notice. Yet, they gave you more than 90 days.
Sadly I can picture some lawyer allowing y’all to sue this extremely fair business owner and win millions in court.
I can’t even see how y’all thought the marina was being unfair and then thought I’m going to tell the world, by going to the media.
I was a liveaboard for over 10 years... if someone offered me 10k to move...
I own an anchor LOL....
Almost impossible to find liveaboard dockage in Florida😪
When the rich move into any area they push out the poor! but they love you
Foreign investors want the marina for super yachts.
Super megaforce 500 meter super grand mega Chinese yacht need place to park . Hurrwy up now build fast use Chinese labor force . Poor American go live in tent in bridge here 10000$ .
I have to start by saying that I have no experience with Marina properties in the CA area. If it is like the rest of the Country, mainly the South and East Coast, the “pressure” on existing marina owners is immense.
Marina owners are being pressured from all sides to sell-out and go away. It’s not about greed, it’s about not going bankrupt or losing what has been a family business for generations. If this sounds like family farms, you wouldn’t be wrong.
Running and MAINTAINING a marina may vary from location to location, but it takes a-lot of manpower, hard work and money. Every year government agencies dictate stricter compliance and legal red tape. This can come from the EPA, DNR and local authorities. At the same time, what was once “cheap” land has become top dollar real estate. Even if they have no desire to sell, in many cases tax rates have quadrupled in recent years due to nearby condos and hotels. Insurance rates have also likely went thru the roof.
Local Governments are also to blame. Many times they do not want “liveAboards” in the local marinas. They may ban them outright or may impose additional fees on marinas that allow them.
Lastly, I have to put some blame on the liveAboards themselves: Some (not all) purchase boats that are in need of serious maintenance and are no longer seaworthy with the idea they would make a cheap place to live, while tied to a dock or in a marina slip. These boats deteriorate year after year to the point they are not able to move under their own power and in some cases may capsize and create an environmental risk. Boats require constant maintenance and upkeep to keep them in decent shape, most (not all) liveaboards do not spend the time or money on this maintenance. Many times they will walk away from their boat and leave a sinking, rotting boat for the marina to deal with.
For all of the above, the idea of living on a boat long-term, is NOT a plan for anyone, unless you also own the property where the boat is docked or moored. Of course, if your boat is well maintained and you are able to travel from marina to marina throughout the seasons and can pay seasonal rates, this might be an option. Just be prepared to move after 30, 60 or 90 days and make sure each marina understands and allows you to live aboard.
As for rights, you have no rights when you are renting a slip in a marina. Read your contract, they can demand you leave at any time for a wide variety of reasons. Several months notice and a “moving bonus” is a courtesy you should take and be thankful for. Quit acting like renting has special rights that do not exist.
I don't know how it is on the West coast, but there are plenty of places on the East coast that one can anchor their boat almost indefinitely, which is free, if a bit risky. Less risky, but still fairly cheap is the option to rent a mooring ball.
Of course, these two options present other challenges, like obtaining a way to go ashore, and the ability to make enough electricity to run the boat. Sewage is also a problem in most cases, although the dirty little secret is that those who chose to anchor or moor will often just illegally pump it overboard at night.
Getting a boat from San Fran to the Keys isn't going to be cheap, no matter how you do it.
Sounds like you work for the marina,,,,c'mon man,,,,you can tell us the truth,,,you getting paid,,,ha,,,,..you might be right,,,just wanted to razz you,,after they leave you can move your nice boat in,..
Nope, not at all. I work in the commercial marine repair industry. When a big boat needs to come-in for serious repairs it can be handled at a marina with haul out facilities or boatyards with haul out capabilities. Due to the reasons I listed above these places are disappearing like crazy. Those of us that work on boats have to constantly check to make sure the marina or boatyard we used months ago are still there and open for business. I'm not sure this has anything to do with the marina in the story, just saying there are reasons some marinas are getting rid of long-term slip holders. In many cases an old-time marina is forced out of business, new owners come in, build high-end condo's on the land and offer a few boat slips to residents who now own the condos. Some hotel chains are also doing this. There are also some live aboard boaters that have pushed their "welcome" way past the breaking point with run-down boats that may sink at any moment, unsanitary conditions (pumping raw sewage into the harbor) and are an eyesore to anyone with a maintained, functioning boat.
“Being told to find a new place to live”. In other words, they’re being evicted. But I suppose the owner’s of the Marina would prefer to avoid eviction law.
I think they are more interested in property rights
"Re-evaluating long-term use"? Nah, it's just greed. It's always greed.
These people don't have the right to tell the owner what to do with his property sad to say they're going to have to just move
This happened in KeyWest 20 years ago to make room for all the cruise ships and tourists. There is no freedom to live anywhere you want unless you are super rich
be interested to see if WETA is pushing this - it smells like another well-placed ferry service stop....10 grand ain't shit in this economy
They could just say "your burnt move out you bum". Take the 10,000 and hoist the sail
It is 10Gs and 4 months rent free.
Very generous. IMHO. considering the alternative
Yes, it is the pits.
Yeah but it's 10 grand more than they owe them. They could just boot them out with nothing.
Really? 10 grand would get me a really nice place to live and most certainly help me out. Coming from the guy claiming that he is on a fixed income and he is not going to lose his home he will just have to move it. And get ten grand for doing this.. stop complaining about how ten grand ain't shit and in fact when you are getting ssi you only make $7500 a year total and in living on that's and I still put money away in the bank. So ten grand is a year and a half of pay 🤔 . Unless you're a junkie spending money on dumb shit. Then ten grand won't go far
So they plan on building luxury real estate that will include slips, and therefore need to kick out all the riff raff first to make way for the millionaires' boats.
So?
Yup….it’s not kind
Nothing wrong with that. Been happening for all of human history. Those that own the land have the right to maximize its value.
@@cvn6555 I just stated what was actually happening. If you think there is nothing wrong with kicking out low income people to make way for rich people, I think there is something wrong with you.
and? what would you do if you owned the property?????? say no? or take top dollar for it? do tell. no one said anything about riff raff. rich people live on boats all over the world, middle class as well. and lower class. if i bought water front i would want a slip. you would as well. things change and these folks had to know in the back of their minds this could happen one day as do all renters.
I worked at Imaton across the street from the old marina security office in the '80s. We were the first company in that area of Oyster point. At the time it was a huge undeveloped spot near the water, we were alone there for years. What an amazing place to watch sunrise across the bay...
Vacant properties like this are worth more vacant in resale value, that's why trailer parks, apartments and HOAs are vacating residents so they can sell the property for more to redevelop the land. Properties filled with tenants used to be worth more over a decade ago, not anymore because real estate is controlled by Wall Street and international investment firms and continues that way for the last 14 years. That's because investors can borrow and either make a profit or go bust but either way the top executives walk away wealthier because they're company went bankrupt not them personally.
I always thought that the idea behind owning a boat was to go "sailing the seven seas", and not be tied to a dock. I'm not a boat owner, so I guess there's alot I don't know.
It’s an RV without wheels.
So if you’ve ever RV’d imagine going to the desert with no hookups and see how long you last. You can hunt for food, but that’s about it.
Also wear and tear on a boat sailing is all the additional forces, regulations. It’s a huge amount difference vs being parked at a dock with full hookups.
Why cant we stop this? Rent is out of control.... How many more homeless people do we want?
As many as can fit under their majesties feet!
"No sleep today, we're cabbages and Kings!"...Alice in Wonderland
CAPITALISM...Have to take the bad with the good.
@@mr.woowoo8826 exactly my thought, they owned the dock and they have every right to evict. If your boat mates decides to not leave when you want him her to, what would you do?
Do.we.want? Wtf entitled much?
What about that question was entitled? Don’t use words if you don’t know the meaning, kid
I'd LOVE it if these people could buy this Marina just so they could have the satisfaction of watching the current Owner leave..
Misinformation : OYSTER POINT MARINA is NOT, I repeat, NOT closing. The private OYSTER COVE MARINA
is closing. The map in the opening of this report points to Oyster Pt and does not identify Oyster Cove at all.
10 grand?! That's it?!?!?! Not even 6 months rent.
It is. If he’s paying $500 or less to dock a boat, then calculate that to get 10k way more then 6month!
@@JW-mx3qg some people just dont know what they say
There is no actual reason for this. It is just part of the great reset.
More like California sucks than the great reset. Now China buying up a bunch of real estate in California and many other cities and bill gates buying up a bunch along with huge portions of our countries farm land that is the great reset
YEA I THINK YOUR SPOT ON ACCURATE
Yup, the government want to pin point everyone's location.
It's time...
yeah....it's truly a dick moment in time....but i love marinas and think they all look cool no matter who lives in them..
When you rent something, you don’t own it so you need to leave when the landowner tells you to (given enough notice). WTF is the world coming to when renters think they’re owners.
A lot of people might be thinking that this is some great opportunity to get $10000 to move from one dock/slip to another but with places like Lake Mead and Lake Powell no longer having the capacity to store boats on soon because of the water drying up just finding a place to 'store' a boat on the water at all is gonna be beyond difficult at a reasonable cost regardless of the options of still being able to continue using it as a home!!!
You can't just put a boat on a trailer and put it in an RV park/resort space.
There are gonna be more boats being left to drift,sunken,dragged onto shore,or abandoned on the side of the road and in neighboring areas in the coming months because there are more boats than trailers and storage rates and rents have already skyrocketed in the past several years since the pandemic in areas that were already unaffordable to most people in these areas. $10000 won't even pay 3 months rent in most of these areas.
That’s a shame
Liveaboard slips are extremely difficult to obtain all along the West Coast
Including Washington state? Including San Juan Islands??
Yes! Waiting lists everywhere
@@wallacegrommet9343 Can people living aboard in Washington (San Juan islands, Peninsula), Oregon, even north north west California choose to anchor to stay? Not many protected bays? Ocean water too deep?
I'm longing for an ocean cruising life. Coastal sailing back and forth Washington and Alaska is one of the options in the plan. I live in Salt Lake City now.
Anchoring out is definitely an option throughout the Puget Sound. There aren’t quite enough protected bays to keep everyone happy, particularly in the summer, but it is feasible, particularly in the southern waters. Anchorage in some bays is limited to three days consecutively, so move on to the next. Having shore facilities close by is the key. Water, groceries, fuel, laundry etc. Anacortes, Roche Harbor, Friday Harbor, Olympia, Winslow, Poulsbo, and Gig Harbor meet those standards
I work in South San Francisco right near the Marina. I honestly have no idea what the property owner plans to do with the land. If there’s already a marina built there, what are they planning to replace it with? There isn’t a whole lot of access or infrastructure there, just a pedestrian/bike path. It’s not like The Cove, where it is close to major roads and the huge biotech companies. Heck, I have to bike 15 min through stroads and poorly planned suburbanized industrial sprawl from the nearest train station to get there. What is the point of building something new there if there’s not good access? The small marina that’s already there is appropriate for the surrounding area.
They gave them tell October! Told them in June. More than enough time! That company was nice to them
It's happening in Florida as well but, Marina owners and management do not offer money or waived slip fees. At least they're getting something. Good luck to you all.
Bet the marina owner is cashing out. I see high-end condos with waterfront boat slips for the million-dollar boats that those owners want to have. Asians coming here with tons $$$$$$.
Its being bought out by a biotech company lol you are just overwhelming intolerant of asian people
I’ll take the $10K to sell up the Delta where there is cheaper docking Marinas
Something is not right here. This should be state property. The company is leasing it. These boat owners need to call their state Reps.
Love how they say they have nowhere else to go. They have everywhere else to go.
Surround yourself with disposable people and YOU Abecome disposable. How can any business just dump their longterm patrons because they are 'reevaluating'? You wouldn't catch me dead in California.
I know - they bury the dead in California.
I guess the City manager is conveniently forgetting that the city acts all the time in interfering with private owners... be they slumlords, business owners or home (boat ) owners. From taxes, to rules of occupancy, to use of land laws to noise abatement practices, to mention but a few.
No rent for 4 months, with an additional $10k??? That is WAY MORE than fair. The fact he is dumb enough not to see that, shows you that struggle is his middle name.
Developers rule, with local politicians in their pocket, don't expect any help from them. Sad but true.
Greed taking over everywhere! Always been there in CA!
Coming to a community near you.
Most likely already there, just you haven't noticed.
Communist
Well that's what happens when you don't own your own property. Duh!
Well that is no different when property changes zoning and all of a sudden a Walmart appears next door. It is part of the deal being a renter. All of you renters should’ve went together and bought the marina long ago.
People who live in their boats just to have a cheap place to live, not because they enjoy boating should expect this to happen. They dump their poop in the water, they're dirty, their boats are usually nasty, etc. Plus, they don't own the property, so they have zero choice in the matter. Kicking them out is just like gentrification but on the water. It always makes the area much better and more profitable for the owners.
You get/got what you voted for. Make sure Gavin Newsom stays in power.
Look at the story more closely. There are issues about Newsom, but this is not a political matter that can be pinned on him. Responsibility for this falls on the landlord of a private business. Maybe you can persuade Newsom to get the state to take over this marina by eminent domain and let these folks stay there.
You think this doesn't happen in "Red" states?? That's a good one! 😂
You probably don't hear about it when it happens there because people in power, and those that vote for them, don't care.
@@ralphjones6165 no. Don't need to.
Life planning should not include living on someone else’s property……
The number of home owners are declining as housings prices go up beyond the ability of your average person to purchase even small single room homes.
@@linusa2996 thanks Democrats
@@kevlar7669 kevlar, huh? you must be ready to gunfight. I go for headshots myself, but since you have a kevlar head, I guess that won't work . . .
@@imoldgreggboosh3467 I'm old Gregg must be ready for testosterone replacement therapy and a cocpump.
Im sure there are alot of marinas throughout the state you can live in
Safe Harbor Loch Lomond, San Rafael
Eureka Public Marina, Eureka
Vallejo Municipal Marina, Vallejo
Safe Harbor Ballena Isle, Alameda
Grand Marina, Alameda
Antioch Marina, Antioch
Safe Harbor Emeryville, Emeryville
Napa Valley Yacht Club, Napa Valley
Tiki Lagoon Resort & Marina, Stockton
Stockton Downtown Marina
Owl Harbobr Marina, Isleton
Delta Bay Marina, Isleton
Suisun City Marina
Westpoint Harbor, Redwood City
Glen Cove Marina
Stan’s Yolo Marina, Clarksburg
And thats just in NorCal
Live aboard slips are rare. Sure you can rent the slip but most marinas make owners “sneak aboard”. One of the ways ppl become homeless right here.
11 out 14 took the 10,000. Seems like a smart plan.
Maybe they may ask for more in these hard difficult times ..
@@franklaforgia7317 how are they losing. you guys bashing the rich are a hoot. im a middle class dude. why would you not want to sale property when its at its most valuable. oh wait i know cause its not yours got it. so would you sale your home for top dollar if you could or take the lowest bid. come on people
People need to get over it! It's happening all over Florida! I keep my sailboat in a marina wet slip only!! I lived on her for 22 years! I have a reasonable 1 bedroom apt! Now! So I had to balance it out! Greedy developers and shady Politicians are to blame! It's called gentrification wealthy people want it all for themselves ! Greed and selfishness has no end!🤔🇺🇸
22 years.. why did you move out and did you get rid of the boat.. caint imagine boat slip and apartment rent .. to save monies..
@@TheBowen747 nope still own my sailboat ! LiveBoard in Florida not allowed its trending? I can afford the slip and my apartment!😎🇺🇸
@@theodorelo1851 whats bad in florida is all the marinas have a 5 year waiting list.. we need more boat slips and or larger mooring areas down here, clearwater is plum full of boats ..lol
@@TheBowen747 I agree but the issue is still greed driven by shady local Politicians and developers as well as the wealthy that want gentrification ! Florida is extremely overpriced and over developed! They don't want live aboards! It's the sad truth! P.S THATS WHY! I am relocating to Orange beach Alabama in the spring 2023! Lower cost of living and if I want a live aboard slip again there are marinas still there allowing it at least for now! Good luck to you! May there always be sunny days and blue skies too you and yours! Fair wind to your back! 😎🇺🇸
People might mock others who live abroad and consider them losers but don't knock it until you try it. There's only one word to describe it, FREEDOM.
I tell you,,, $10k in the bank and blue water sailboat is true freedom.
And you get 10k?!? Boo Hoo - you signed the contract that says the owner has the right to terminate at anytime.
greed new development means they can charge higher taxes
Looks like amphibious gentrification to me.
Gentrification is a good thing. Awful areas full of trash and crime are made into safe, clean livable urban areas.
@@cvn6555 Yeah, see how well that's worked out for California. They've gotten rid of the affordable housing, so people lose their homes to people willing to pay insane rent prices only to have the streets filled with people in tents because they were priced out of the rental market. Don't complain about people taking a dump on your sidewalks when you've pushed them out of their homes.
@@Primalxbeast You can thank the environmentalists for the lack of housing. They are the ones that stopped new construction in all the desirable places. They are people that already had their homes and didn't want a lot of new ones built. It created an artificial shortage of homes, driving up prices to stratospheric levels in places like San Diego and San Francisco.
So how many apartment units across the country have been converted to condos or owner lofts?
It's the nature of the beast. You had a good run. Band together, form a real estate LLC and purchase a location and build rentable docks.
They're not being forced out of their homes. They're just being asked to move their mobile homes to another mobile home park.
Looks like the owners are dumb enough to empty out births for no good reason... you would think they would be part of the boater's community life...
They have a very good reason, luxury property development where the units include a boat slip. They'll make millions by converting it to luxury real estate.
so they are dumb cause they want to sale the slips for maximum profit? what would you do? dont think they are dumb at all. in fact it sounds to me they are pretty dang smart and generous as well. sounds like the victim players are the dumb ones. i know it sucks to have to move but so goes the rental world. if you dont like that buy your own place. just saying
Newsome needs a private marina.
This is really bad, at one time I was going to buy a sailboat in the bay and live on it. Good thing I just got out of California.
This will end up happening everywhere not just California
is the marina closing down? or just getting rid of the live aboards
I was close to moving to that marina about a year ago. Glad I didn’t! What a nightmare :/
You would have gotten a free ten thou
Welcome to the effects of run away capitalism.When you are standing in the way of profits, you will lose. These live boards aren't hurting anyone and it enables them to avoid homelessness.
There will come a time when everyone who is not a billionaire will be living in a tent on the street. Think about it when you vote and do vote.
Runaway capitalism. It's better than runaway centrally planned communist type of economy. Runaway capitalism sounds awesome to me! Giddy up!
The Story was well intended but, missed a few things
1- We were assured in a meeting with the previous owner Greenland USA that the Marina would continue in its state as it was with Live Aboard and Slip holding tenants with little disturbance during construction/Development of this 42 acre site which included the marina. The city representatives from SSF In the meeting where Greenland assured us seemed to want the development to go forward and our approval, thus the assurances. Later that year Kilroy realty bought the site for 308 M, that is the entire Bio Science development site, 42 acres, from Greenland USA who Purchased the 42 acre site from Shorenstein SKS for 145M in 2016(?) in 2007, Shorenstein had purchased the site for 71-85M from Shelton. Her is the point, Kilroy purchased the site, Kilroy also had Public outreach meetings which we attended but, they all concerned phase 1 of the project, no meetings were held concerning Phase 2 which involves the Marina at any public meeting. Information was constantly requested. Neither the city of SSF or Kilroy commented on our requests for information except to say they had no knowledge of any pending plans for eviction.
We were misled intentionally. The BCDC determines the number of resident Berths allowed.
We paid good money and kept the site safe during residency. BCDC will not transfer our "Legal Liveaboard status to other marinas in the Bay or increase percentage of liveaboard occupancy
That is what we are fighting for. We are being dumped, we live on water, low impact, low income housing that will be displaced with no return
Prayers 🙏 Matt, seeing this more and more. We are temp shelter housed together as a family (7mo.) do to extremely high rent's now in Southern Oregon, we can't afford nor find affordable housing . The church here is closing its doors perm. tomorrow, this is becoming very heartbreaking to see. Staying Prayerful 📖🙏 as God will guide. KJB 2 TIMOTHY 3. God bless abundantly always 🙏
Sadly sounds like SOP Matt. Same kind of thing happening here in SoCal. Wish you all the best with the changes.
@@kickzip Happening all over one way or another. Thanks for your wishes.
Is there still a marina in Redwood City, near the old Clark’s by the Bay?
Do they not understand this is how it goes when you live somewhere that you don't own?
To an outsider it looks like people who own boats and yachts in the most luxurious Marina in the most luxurious City are crying they will be homeless... they must seek salvation immediately because they are lost
It's their one and only home. And other marinas nearby don't accept liveaboards leases. Meaning they will have no place to dock, have électricity or water. And their boats are cheap and cost less than a used car. Not every person who has a boat is rich, trust me
@@Niaaal We to have no home 🏘️ and we are seeing this more and more. 2 TIMOTHY 3. It is written, KJB 🙏📖🙏
@@Niaaal Ah, you said it yourself - other marinas don't accept liveaboards. So why should this one?
"Legal live abord".. that's the whole issue.. state don't get money it become "illegal"
‘The fight is not over yet.” Dude, you’ve got no fight. You’re a renter and have been given notice and an offer the owner had no legal obligation to give you. Don’t be a fool. Start to figure out your next home location. I’m sorry this is happening to you and your neighbors.
Well he is in California, no logical law exists there, up is down and black is white
To be quite honest with you what they did for these tenants was pretty fair.. It's not like you're stuck there, you live on a boat.. All you have to do is pull up your anchor and start that engine.. but I guess people don't like change..