odd how the medical establishment is so willing to prescribe Prosac with all its side effects, but never give a sideways glance at nutrition, especially Vitamin D. No downside except you might feel better and no longer need prescription meds. Hurrah for you.
@@jessie9653 Most western depression is caused by indoor living. Which results in lower vitamin d and a compromised metabolism. Combining vitamin d with exercise and being outdoors with a good diet is a great strategy.
My son was a submariner; he spent 3 months under the sea without sunshine. The Navy does not supply supplemental Vitamin D for these men during these voyages. We had packed him a "midway package " with 5,000IU Vitamin D capsules. He said his mood improved greatly.
Did he open his midway package midway through the voyage? And did it also contain well-wishes and gifts from his family? A lift in spirits could be caused simply by being reminded of home and loved ones. Just a thought. Needs to be double blind with placebos.
Regardless of which side you're on, can we just take a moment to appreciate this debate - conducted with mutual respect and class? Well done. Great segment.
Agreed. I think the thing with these types rather than being 'interviewed' is that they are actively in discourse and not trying to trick someone into saying something for a gorchya moment or to prove the other absolutely incorrect in their views. It's a discussion. Every discussion will be respectful and civil. Otherwise it's either an argument or some form of deception. But agree. It's always lovely hearing opposing arguments discussed civilly. Something I admit I havent mastered.
The best 'proof' of not being a charlatan is by having an open debate. Well done, more of these please, I love it. No winner or losers, just shared knowledge.
Very good observation. If that attitude would be more common in people, things would be a lot greater. Dr. Campbell invites other health specialists to his videos and always acts in a humble way. He makes questions to the other doctors, in a way that all of us can learn from it. Of course he knows the answer, it is that he promotes the “learning” as his goal. I am so thankful to him for sharing his precious knowledge to the general public an people that want to learn.
Yes, agreed. Dr Campbell speaks for a lot of people who love “ boosting” their health with nostrums. The same people are far less interested in exercise
@@alfredopampanga9356 I would argue that he speaks to their disinclination for exercise and desire to supplement their way to good health but disagree that he speaks for them when he himself has put forward the benefits of exercise and good nutrition.
Refreshing to watch two people debate a subject without it devolving into raised voices and interruption. We so rarely see it nowadays that it was very noticeable to me.
@@wboyle9721 the house of commons has certainly changed a lot from the days it was filled with only old white men like these two debating here (no offence John lol)
When two people discuss their different opinions, they can mutually respect each others opinion. It is when people discuss their beliefs that things turn sour.
I started supplementing Vitamin D four months prior to getting Covid19 infection. My blood levels went from 30 ng/mL up to 75 ng/mL recently tested-My Covid infection included chills, fever, muscle aches, loss smell, taste, congestion, but I never had to go to the hospital despite living in a disabled body with a compromised respiratory system. I continue to work on my gut microbiome. Thanks John Campbell and Tim Spector.
Speaking of gut biome, Dr. Spector mentioned it and said nothing about *how* to do it: the only means I know of is to eat fermented foods, especially yogurt, but also cheeses, sauerkraut, kimchi and who knows what else. He should have said more about it.
The majority of people that get Covid don't end up in hospital. For the vast majority, it's like a 48hr flu. Still, no one wants to be to one that end up very ill and possibly dies. I knew 1 person that got covid.. she passed within a week of symptoms. Everyone else I know that caught it (I'm talking positive PCR test) thought they had a minor cold. One friend woke up fatigued, but by the next morning, he felt fine. That evening he couldn't smell or taste so he went to get tested. He tested positive.. He got his smell and taste back within a week. Another friend was fatigued and had a bad headache for a couple days. When that went away, he lost his taste and smell too.. so he got tested.. positive again. It took him a month from his positive test to get his smell and taste back. What I've found, at least with my friends is that they generally only have symptoms for 3 to 4 days max, and they all think they caught a cold... until they lost either their smell and or taste.. thats when they go for a test. BTW, most of the people I know that tested positive are 50+. I know a few in their 20s that tested positive and those fools had me laughing. One had diarrhea for a week... and all I heard was crap jokes for a while.
At 81 I had the covid in June '20.HAve been taking D3 at around 4kIU with Zn, Mg and Se for years daily.Was cripplingly tired for 5 days and that was about it.No fever, no cough, no respiratory problems and no medical help needed whatsoever.
Thank you so much for sharing. That is very valuable information. May I please ask you if you could let me know the amounts of the other supplements/vitamins that you took? Thank you.
My husband and I taking similar supplements - we're ages 79 and 86. Neither of us have been ill, no covid, no flu for three plus years. I definitely take Campbell's side.
Years ago, the old matrons of the hospitals used to insist on moving the patients outside in their hospital beds to get fresh air and sunshine. Perhaps they knew more than we gave them credit for, and maybe this would benefit patients today.
During Spanish flu. Hospitals found they had a much better treatment response when they put patients outside. They always used to have windows open too. Doctor's used to prescribe open air treatment for TB
Absolutely, I will continue to take vitamin D and take Zinc when run down and feeling like about to get sick. We were never meant to be inside as much as we are.... I have crooked legs from growing up in Northern Germany, dark and little outside, of course no supplementation. My hubby has been through cancer.. .... one common factor of most or all cancer patients? Miserable vit d levels. Please nobody listen to the simplistic views of this doctor at the end . There is so much more research than he has. The real money is being made on cancer "treatment", Meds for autoimmune diseases, depression etc all of these can be prevented by good vitamin d levels. It's laughable to talk about money being made on pretend needs of vitamin D. Yes, supplements are good while also eating healthy and while cutting crap food out.
I am a icu nurse in United States. I have been preaching this for years. Also, they kill the gut with all these meds, but when we suggest giving pt. Buttermilk, because I just recently discovered kefir, they look at me like I had grown 5 heads🧐
Annette, agreed. the hospital I worked at 50 years ago had a TB unit that had a porch. Patients were routinely taken out there to take in the sunshine.
My board certified endocrinologist is a big believer in D and puts all patients on 5000 IU. Hasn't lost a patient to Covid yet. He serves poor communities who are disproportionately hit by Covid.
@William Nelson I have looked at all the studies and so far I am not convinced that taking vit D is of any benefit. Please reference the data that shows the efficacy of vit D.
I love videos such as these where people are able to discuss a subject openly and amicably, even where there are disagreements, and we all learn in the process. Thank you both for doing this!
The base of this is probable honesty, if you into a debate looking to find answers and not to discredit other's reasoning you end up with this sort of exchange. So honest people is the key to me
UVB is what you need, & UK winter sun doesn't have any at all reaching us because of the low southern angle. No one can make Vit☀D from WINTER sun below 35° N or S latitude! Supplements work 365 days a year, but GI, liver, kidney diseases still block it's required metabolism, need higher Rx form. Dark skin doesn't change oral need, but, Age Especially obesity All require higher dosing.
I don't take any supplements and haven't been sick in over a year. Fact is, most people I know haven't been sick. I feel this has more to do with lock downs and working from home... and when out in public, the social distancing and the masks... I really hate masks... it causes my glasses to fog most times.
@@jennifervictore5471 Your daily need of vitamin C can be easily obtained by a healthy diet with normal amounts of vegetables and fruits. This is not possible with vitamin D, the daily amount from diet is about 20-40 IU, so you really need the sun. But if you live in the northern part of the USA/Canada or Europe the sun is not strong enough during half of the year. So vitamin C and D are essential but vitamin D3 supplements are most essential for a lot of people.
Me too! After learning that high fructose corn syrup (thank you MedCram) deactivates vitamin D in your body I make a point to avoid that in my diet; but I know my diet isn't the best. Regular blood work is needed - I tailor my vitamins to boost where I know I am deficient and otherwise take a maintenance approach.
Humans evolved to live primarily outdoors, every day, all year round. It's near impossible to get the same level of D3 from diet alone as you would receive living outdoors in a tropical/sub-tropical region. Therefore, it is quite reasonable to assume that a supplement would be beneficial. However, we also know that Northern Europeans have already evolved in a few ways since our ancestors left Africa. The most obvious evolutionary change is our white skin. Also, most of the World's humans have evolved even more recently than that, since the domestication of animals, to retain the enzymes necessary to digest milk (lactose) into adulthood. The point here being that we can't be sure just what a normal level of D3 is. What's normal for a bushman living in the Kalahari might not be normal for a Scotsman. It might actually be the same - we just don't know yet. However, there is more to consider here than any possible evolutionary adapatations to the climate and the strength of the Sun. Our lifestyles changed, in a big way, far more recently than the move out of Africa or the domestication of animals. Much too recently to have evolved in any meaningful way. That change came with the industrial revolution. Prior to the industrial revolution, most people lived in the countryside and were involved in food production - working outdoors, 7 days per week, regardless of the weather. Now, most of us aren't exposed to any sun from Monday to Friday, frequently none at all all week, and when we are, it's usually only for a short time, not the entire day. Even those who live in the tropics probably spend at least five days per week working indoors. It seems logical to me to assume that this change has to have made a difference to the amount of D3 our bodies receive.
Plus in Europe the winter sunshine is at wrong angle to produce vitamin d3 naturally in skin for 6 months of year. If you work full time indoors and don’t get much sun in winter our bodies at a disadvantage to our ancestors who could store up vitamin d when working outside on farms etc
Dr JC has been an invaluable source of high quality information and primary source documentation during this historic pandemic which I give credit for helping to keep my family safe, and for that I am eternally grateful. Perhaps even more impressive than this contribution is Dr John’s example of humility and empathy.
I totally agree. He is a Hero in this pandemia. He is working daily, making complex research from around the world; and then presenting it to us in such a didactic way. And every day a new great video. I just discovered him about a month ago. Now, I watch him and not longer the mainstream news, to be informed and up to date with the pandemia.
Yes. His character has caused me to pay attention to his work as it's a reliable source. His empathy, kindness, and professionalism has always been an outstanding feature of all his interviews. Seems to be an utterly remarkable doctor and person all the way around! Thanks be to God! May God bless both these doctors.
Did I miss something? He said that the study was to see if Vitamin D made a difference in whether or not you contract covid. But that was never the issue. We are interested in whether Vitamin D reduces the chance of cytokine storm.
“I will continue to follow Dr. Campbell and his view on Vitamin D. My pulmonologist just removed another inhaler for me to take. My lungs clear, the best shape in the past year., I believe following Dr. Campbell because I see the positive results for me.
Well am not giving thought to that other guy. My husband, first time in years, didn’t get 2 winter colds this past year he usually gets. I started us on Dr. Campbell’s suggestion on Vitamin D last February. Best thing I’ve done for us both. Thank you, Dr. Campbell. You helped us stay well.
@@lmr691 About 30 years ago I went to see my Dr about always being tired and basically crap. It was a Asian Dr who saw me ( lovely lady ) . She said that most men in northern Europe were short of vitD and advised me to take supplements to boost my levels. I started with 1000 units during summer but went up to 2000 in the winter months. I am now pushing 70 years old and can honestly say I have never had Flu or a cold since, even when working with people coughing and sneezing all around me.
@@allandesoer7672 I wished I had had this information years ago and wouldn’t have had the many pneumonia illnesses over the last 30+ years, and my lungs wouldn’t have this scar tissue.
@@lmr691 I went to the Dr because I was fed up of being knackerd all the time, my own Dr never really did anything over the years but the young Asian Dr was great , she listened ! and gave me a thorough check up, time didn't restricted with her. Just wish she was still in the practice an was my named GP.
I've currently got a grade iii brain tumour (oligodendroglioma) I've had surgery, radiotherapy and was meant to start chemotherapy in January 2022. I had one cycle of chemo before I had to stop, due to my ALT levels being too high. I then had an ultrasound, which revealed I had, Non alcoholic fatty liver disease. I also had psoriasis, which since my diagnosis, has developed into psoriatic arthritis. So, from the 1st Feb 21 to 7th Jan 22 I've received no cancer treatment whatsoever (apart from my own personal plant based treatment) And for that whole year they couldn't work out why my ALT levels were so high. So, as I now have epilepsy, as a result of the tumour, they took me off my epilepsy meds (Epilim), then they took me off the steroids (Dexamethosone) but my bloods kept coming back the same, elevated ALT. They then lowered my other epilepsy meds (Keppra) to see if that would make a difference. Then due to negative side effects (aggression, memory loss, depression) from the Keppra, they put me on Brivaracetam (still have some side effects, but nowhere near as bad as the Keppra) But again, after all these changes, my ALT levels remained high. Finally in September 21, my GP decided to get *all* my bloods checked, instead of the specific ones my oncologist was asking for. It came back that I had a vitamin D deficiancy ("below 12"). They put me on a course of vitamin D3 3,200 supplements, and by December 22 my bloods came backing saying my ALT levels were back to normal ("normal range") and I can now commence chemotherapy. My fatty liver symptoms have cleared up, and along with some Enstilar, my psoriasis has cleared up and my joint and muscle pains have gone. My epileptic seizures have also remained under control. I will also say that I haven't eaten fish for years as I had food poisening when I was young, and It put me off for life. And because of my psoriasis I never went out or played out in the sun (stupid I know). Oh, and my last MRI in 29th November 2022 my results came back saying the tumour hasn't moved and is stable. I know it's only my little antidote, but hopefully someone might get something from it.
Thank you for this description of your experience. I'm taking a vit D & K supplement. And a knee private has greatly improved. Whether as result of the vitamins I have no idea. Best wishes for your on going treatment
My daughter was diagnosed with MS and the only treatment she's been given so far is 4000ui vitamin D. I've been taking it since watching Dr J in March last year, I have several chronic illnesses and have not been as depressed, also SAD was nowhere near as bad this year too. Thank you Dr John xx
As someone thats had MS for 23 years, I would suggest she at least get on something other than Vit D. Yes, D helps, but you need to fight the demyleniation. There are so many disease modifying therapies out there now. There's no cure, but the DMT's will slow the progression, even if her progression is very slow right now. MS is so very unpredictable, that doing everything you can to start battling back ASAP helps tremendously. I wish her the best of luck, and I hope her disease ends up being on the mild end.
Just watching Professor Spectors general body language i found him to not be very open to the idea that Vit D could help with Covid , he had his opinions and thats that .
@Albert Clarke He is an old fart with his education 40 years out of date. his brain is old and fossiled. he cant think new thoughts. he never does any research and just spouts what his paymasters tell him
I've been taking Vitamin D, 4000iu a day. After losing my sense of smell about 8 years ago, I didn't know why.. Well after about 4 weeks on Vitamin D, my sense of smell is back. My lungs are getting stronger as well...
A supplement that can help your lungs ( in addition to vit-d ), liver and kidneys and worth a try is N-acetyl-cysteine. Do some research. It is worth trying.
I’ve had a similar experience. My sense of smell was much diminished over the years but after taking vitamin D 10 000 and zinc 200 for 6 months, I noticed my sense of smell returning. Not sure if this is just a coincidence, but I’m delighted to be able to smell the flowers again.
D3 taken daily since 2017 has not returned my sense of smell (loss caused I think by a smoking partner decades ago), improved my asthma or reduced seasonal hayfever. I started on it hoping it would help slow the progression of arthritis but it's debatable that d3 has made any difference, unlike losing 8kg which made a noticeable difference
I take 4000 daily. My doctor told me to and she checks my levels twice every year. She wants me in the upper level of the normal range. I’m going to continue doing this as so far so good!
To me it's just common sense. We know Vitamin D plays an important role with our immune systems. We also know a lot of people are deficient in Vitamin D. During a pandemic taking Vitamin D supplements to raise your level to sufficiency is the logical thing to do.
No, we don't know that a lot of people are deficient - that's Tim's point, because we all probably have different optimum levels and have no basis for assuming a correct level. I'm not convinced he's right though, for many reasons that came out in the video.
We do know that human bodies stop Vitamin D synthesis from the sun at about 70 ng/ml. That's the level they see in Hawaiian life guards and Masai tribesmen. So your body seems to see that level as optimal. Most people in the US are below 20 ng/ml.
@@leonardodavinci7425 You don't seem to have taken in Tim's argument - we have no EVIDENCE that they are deficient, because we do not know what is NORMAL. We do not know because we know that people are likely to vary in optimal level, and for all we know their bodies are setting a low level for reasons we do not understand, or because of a condition they have. I think you are probably right, but it's only a feeling based on many clues. Without the right experiments we cannot actually know that people are 'deficient' or in the low end (low end of what - determined how). They are in the low end of the observed range; that is all we can say as fact, but it does not follow necessarily that this is a problem rather than a feature of how we all vary. In fact, some people must always be in the low end of the observed range! There are many clinical variables that vary that pose a similar problem. Some men have low testosterone, compared to others, but we do not supplement. If we did we might observe more cancers etc. Some people have half the mean level of THS (thyroid stimulating hormone) but that doesn't mean we should supplement; it means that their pituitary is compensating for their particular thyroid function, which is not necessarily abnormal.
Dr. Campbell, you helped change my life, how? Back in Feb. I had a vit D blood test and it was 15. My complaint was severe fatigue, I also have active/reactivated EBS Epstein Barr. I didn't take the vit D to seriously and started a multivit with 1000iu of D. After watching you talk about VitD importance, I upped it to 5000iu/day and after 1 month now, the change is massive. I'm 55, so much energy, mental clarity, increase libido. So for me it was conclusive, vitD can be critical. Thank you again.
John, When I was a child (70 years ago)--I was hospitalised for many years=resulr of a car accident. it was hospital procedue to move long term patients into the sunshine daily for a few hours to sunbathe--ostensibly for health reasons.)
I do relate to this. I have a genetic bone disease that affected my hip and right femur (called fibrous displasia), and I don’t know if it’s a coincidence or not, but since I started 4000ui ViT D daily I’ve been most of the time pain free, whereas before I would feel pain at least once a month for a week.
When the D gets low, the B12 gets low, because the D is needed in the stomach cells to produce intrinsic factor to absorb B12. When the B12 gets low at the tissue level it causes the methylmalonic acid to rise, which eats the myelin sheaths off the nerves that contain the electrical signals. This causes the eletricity to shock the surrounding tissue and cause pain. I wonder if that could be the reason vit D reduced your pain. You were absorbing B12 when the D levels normalized and it repairs the sheaths over time. The reason I know so much about this, is because I researched it years ago to cure my brother, who had been misdiagnosed as a schizophrenic. His problems were being caused by a low B12 and a high free copper. None of the psychiatrists he had ever tested his B12. When his B12 got low, it caused M acid to get high which blocked enzymes in his urea cycle from converting ammonia to urea. The high ammonia was causing him to hallucinate. Once his B12 was normalized, his ammonia normalized and his psychosis was cured. All they wanted to do was give him drugs to treat the symptoms and say he had an incurable diseases called schizophrenia that has never even been proven to exist. Anyway, you might have your free copper level checked, along with your methylmaloninc acid, which will show if your B12 is low at the tissue level. My brother's whole problem stemmed from an elevated free copper due to a binding gene defect. The elevated free copper was causing his D, B12, iron, B9, zinc and many other things to be low. Then once the B12 got low, due to a low D, his methylmalonic acid rose, which created a high ammonia.
This might interest you "Vitamin D Resistance as a Possible Cause of Autoimmune Diseases: A Hypothesis Confirmed by a Therapeutic High-Dose Vitamin D Protocol" www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2021.655739/full
You should interview Dr. Stasha Gominak regarding vitamin D and covid. She has been doing some profound studies on vitamin D, sleep, and immunity (gut biome) and has profound evidence through her sleep studies that the absence of vitamin D is a cause of disease, not consequence.
Thank you for sharing the name of this doctor. I'm interested to hear more about them. I printed off a chart that shows the lower a person's blood levels of D are the more they are at risk for various cancers.
Tims hands barely stopped moving, which made me wonder, just how confident he was!. To me it is obvious, we will not get the same vitamin D3 in the winter months as we get in the summer. I didn't hear him say what a dangerous level might be, so to me he wasted Johns time and ours. 🇬🇧
@@royhenderson9826 I read recently a level over a 100 is toxic. My son's Dr was happy with a level of 23..the lab test showed it to be normal range in S.A..i don't agree
This is the way a debate needs to be. Not one where there is a winner and looser and where egos are enhanced and threatened, but one with openness, respect and desire for truth.
I got a severe case of COVID , april 2000 , really thought i was going to die , i was off work for months and had various symptoms for well over a year.After researching the subject of covid recovery i came across different discussions on the benefits of vitamin D around 6 months ago, so i started taking vitamin D3 4000iu +K2 100ug from then .A week ago myself and my partner tested positive for COVID , I have had hardly any issues at all and starting back to work on wenesday after my isolation .So its a big yes for vitamin D from me ...😀
Link below I'm sure you'll find interesting atb. Vitamin D is not an optional supplement. it is a non-negotiable cellular necessity. it is your life health support system. ua-cam.com/video/FEmxqZN7VWI/v-deo.html
I'm with John on vitamin D. I've been taking it and my family and we are all good despite living in the overpopulated capital in a country hard hit by the virus. Spector should cite the dosages used by the people in his studies.
Exactly, the dosages! The n sample is really impressive, but what does it matter if probably the majority of people take those multivitamins where the vitD dosages are, at best, marginal...
I had Covid back in November. My symptoms were relatively mild. I've been on Vitamin D for over two years. My roommates who were not taking Vitamin D had severe symptoms, both of them were hospitalized for a bit. Definitely not proof of anything, but I think the Vitamin D helped me.
@@missktofdk They recovered. One is a nurse. She was hospitalized for a day. The other, her mother, was in the hospital for several days on Oxygen. She has recovered now, but it was scary having two ambulances pull up to the front of our house and take them away.
THAT is a piece of evidence that Vit D DID help. Thanks for sharing. How much Vit D have you been taking? Could you please share from which brand/lab are your Vit D?
@@Qualityselection I know I'm not the person you're asking the question of, but thought I'd weigh in anyway. (If you're in the US) my friend's oncoligist is a big proponent of D & recommends Liqui-D3 from Rx Vitamins. It's suspended in olive oil & taken under the tongue. Goes straight into the bloodstream.
Thank you, had been waiting for a long time for this discussion, much appreciated, a very balanced approach in my view. For the time being I will continue taking my Vit D supplement.
Yes, it takes a long time to bring a low level up even with "high" levels of supplementation. Ten thousand iu per day is not a huge dose. A doc reported on his attempt to bring his level up: after four months of 5000iu per day, he was still below the low normal. Do take note that supplement quality can vary. My friend was taking 2000iu for the past year (at my urging, though I urged her to take more), and she tested a few days ago at below the low normal level. See? You need a lot unless you get significant sun exposure.
I just read Spectors book "Spoon Fed". He rambles on about Climate change too much for my liking, and that has cast doubt about the rest of the book for me. If I wanted to read about Climate change, I would have bought a book on that subject !!
@@josefschiltz2192 Linus Pauling was guilty of overkill, when he promoted 10 grams of vitamin C every day! 1) There were no non-acid vit. C supplements back then - and more than 2 grams of ordinary ascorbic acid every day is going to harm most people in the long run! 2) The body can only absorb 200 - 400mgs of vit. C in from one dose anyway and can't store it. 3) Vit. C enhances the uptake of some nutrients but can block others - and it can in large doses (over 2 grams) give internal bleedings and/or kidney problems due to interactions with both OTC and prescription drugs...
Professor Spector’s body language reminds me of what it’s like to visit a doctor who isn’t interested in anything outside of what they learned in medical school and isn’t fully listening or believing his patients.
Your statement reminds me of what it’s like to have to deal with patients who aren’t interested in anything outside of what they learned from heresay/rumour/bro-science, and aren’t fully listening or believing their doctors (who actually have the right medical education, training and experience).
@@jerome_morrow You could be talking about Dr John Campbell himself (if he were disguised as Joe patient) as the youtube conversation illustrates. Sometimes doctors have to deal with patients who are informed by good, science based sources of information. Some matters aren't a s decided as one would like to believe. Doctors themselves have strongly opposing opinions on the efficacy of HCQ. Pity the patient who has to deal with that without a reliable source of information.
@@jerome_morrow Does your experience bear that all of your Drs are fully informed in all current medical findings? I am thrilled for you if you have such a Doctor. This has not been my experience.
I always get the flu, and I usually have 3-4 colds /year. After one year supplementing Vitamine D (100-200ug/day) i have not get cold, and no covid even though i live in Sweden ;-) ) Thanks Campbell!!
@@elenalepotova6623 I think he might mean 100-200mcg which would be 4000-8000iu -- he's using ug in place of μg [μ being mu in Greek alphabet, and used to indicate "micro"]
@@andrewrobinson9172 It's a good version. You might be right because the dose the man indicated is smaller than in a multivitamin! My capsule of vitamin A contains 400 iu of vitamin D!
I have a similar experience. Until 5 years ago I was always down with colds and flu. I've been taking D3 now for five years - the first five years of my life without any colds or flu. Hardly a fluke I reckon.
Heheh, all I got from this is that the jury is still out on the efficacy of D, re Covid, but I'll continue to supplement anyway. Been doing it for six years and the only probable harm so far has been a minuscule impact on my wallet.
I’ve been taking vitamin d for almost three years now have been around people that have had the virus and I got stage three lung cancer and my tumor has gone done three centimeters and in remission now for almost a year and have not been sick ..
I have MS and I'm osteopenic. So I take 2 Natecal ( Calcium and D3 ), daily. As soon as I knew about covid, I added 1,000 IU of vitamin D3 daily. I usually have a bout of pneumonia at least once a year, since increasing vit D3 I haven't even had a chest infection, for the 1st time in 20 years.
Sheila, newer studies recommend not supplementing calcium and add vitk2 to help move the calcium you get from food into appropriate areas like bone. Vitd3 about 4k to 5k twice a day, and vitk2 t 100 once a day is what I'm hearing
I also have MS and have been taking Vit D for over a decade (8000 IU Daily 2x RDI), diagnosed over 11 years. Recently added K2 (3 times a week). DMT's: Glatiramer acetate (Copaxone, 12 months), Fingolimod (Gilenya, 18 months), Alemtuzumab (Lemtrada, 2016) Used to take Calcium and D3, but try to get all other micro/macro-nutrients from my diet now. I have been intermittent fasting for over 8 years (only calorie restrict if immobile for more than 2 weeks due to illness). l tried every other diet there is, this regiment seems to work well for me and my lifestyle. I would recommend both approaches: Vit D supplementation (4000 IU D3) plus non-calorie restricted intermittent fasting. Has it made a difference? If these guys can't prove the benefits, it would be extremely arrogant of me to say one way or the other. I'm not a doctor (talk to yours), but would not change either element, as it has not hurt me over this time.
This video was outstanding! It serves as a perfect example of how doctors and scientists can discuss the issues of the pandemic cordially and WITHOUT political influence. Bravo gentlemen.
The fact that evolution selected for extremely white skin when humans migrated to northern Eurasia - where vitamin D from the sun is scarce for many months - suggests that the vitamin is critical to survival.
I'm with Prof Spector on this topic. He spent a great deal of time & effort studying "Vitamin" D, with positive expectations, and his findings are logical - and also, less importantly, consistent with most all of scientific research: we think we have found something amazing, but on closer inspection results are so nuanced & caveated that irs a nothing-burger.
I've been taking D3 *also Sambucus Black Elderberry Gummies *with zinc & Vitamin C* since 1st discussed & confined myself to my home (since last March). I didn't get sick all winter (delighted). Got 2nd Moderna yesterday. Feels like I was hit with a mack truck this morning, but understand that's my body creating more antibodies. Thank you Dr. Campbell for all the information you have shared over the past year. Half the battle is understanding.
I’m 71 now. Around 2015 my Dr included a vitD test in my annual blood tests and said it was low. He put me on calciferol 50,000iu once a week. 6 months later test showed it had increased but still a bit low so increased to twice a week. It’s been in the high end of range ever since. Two things of note. I’ve suffered from cluster headaches, migraines and tension headaches my whole life. A few years after starting this regimen I realised I hadn’t had a headache of any sort for a few years. Then the penny dropped as some other CH sufferers had discovered the link too. It’s been a life saver to get off the various dangerous meds to alleviate CH such as Sumatriptan. Then I also can’t remember the last time I had a cold or flu. Calciferol in South Africa became hard to get during mid Covid as I found it was being used to treat Covid victims in hospitals. During this 4 month period I took to spending two 30 minute sessions a day in the sun in just shorts mid morning and mid afternoon. And as meds go Calciferol vit D 50,000 is very cheap.
Dr. Campbell, I fully support your views. I am from Bangladesh but do not get as much sun as I should and my D3 level came down to I.5 ng/ml and accompanied with the muscle pains and aches tiredness etc. I took 200,000 IU 6 injections to bring up the level and after few months it again came down to 14.5 ng/ml with the accompanying symptoms. After watching your videos I have started to take 5000 IU on a daily basis and the level is steadily increasing and now hovering in the mid 30s. My point is the hypothesis that was given that low vitamin level in a an individual is suited to that person with his specific gene characteristics is wrong. If it were to be true then I wouldn't have faced those painful symptoms and again when it came down I noticed it from the symptoms and after I intervened with daily dose and the levels gradually went up along with the symptoms. So I fully agree with the school of thought that you are preaching and thank you so much. Kind regards Shafquat Matin Dhaka Bangladesh
@@richardsandwell2285 or so they can sell you vitamin d tablets! Vitamins and homeopathy is a billion pound industry that plays on peoples worries and uses chemicals from China to 'supplement' what you can get naturally.
@@thebrowns5337 9 euros for 2 years for vitamin D? I think not. Low fat would help a lot of people. Vit D is not to be confused with Big Pharma - who are not interested in people taking enough vitamin D
Dr Campbell you are so right about the difficulties of money and methology for the clinical studies on vitamin D and other generic drugs/interventions!
I’ve just been diagnosed with severely low vitamin d and have to be on 10,000 to build it back up, gradually decreasing to 4000 alongside vitamin k and magnesium. I’m breaking out in infections all the time, my joints ache, knees, elbows, fingers , my muscles are worn out restless legs, no sleep, severe back and calf cramps. I’ve been so ill I thought I had bone cancer or was developing mnd, as I couldn’t even walk up the stairs, irritable and general feeling of apathy and sadness. I’ve been on it five days and feel so much better already. My sense of humour too is coming back and I’m finding myself laughing at things with my sharp witty mind returning. It’s a miracle drug!
Due to breaking both of my hips 11 years ago I was prescribed vitamin D. I have taken this vitamin regularly and can honestly say that I have never had a cold or any flu symptoms since taking this supplement
A very interesting chat, I have taken vitamin D for years as I had learnt it would help prevent cancer. Since following these talks with Dr C, I’ve upped the level and personally feel mentally better. I have always taken vit C and zinc and if I’ve ever felt a cold coming on, I’ve doubled the dose and stopped a cold in its tracks. I will continue with all these as well as my perfectly balanced diet with little or no red meat.
I have pernicious anemia and Mixed Connective Tissue Disease. The Rheumatologist who told me that I had Unspectified and then Mixed- not lupus or sjogrens ( misdiagnosed at 17) and fibro, copd, tested my vit d. I was put on 50,000 ius once a week, until I achieved mid normal. Now I take B12 and vit d3 daily on my own.
@@boring7823 Agree. I wasn't thinking of Covid though. I only served in the old diesel electric but a long period at sea (about 4-6 weeks say) the first thing that I got on getting a bit of sunshine, was a cold sore on my lip. We had a good diet but air quality was pretty poor.
Been taking vitamin D since you mentioned it last year. Every morning one vitamin D plus one vitamin C. Had no Covid or colds. From a 78 year old woman.
Could be coincidence but I stopped taking 4000iu daily some three weeks ago and I’m in bed with a cold now. Haven’t been ill for over a year of taking it. Im gonna start again.
I live in sunny Florida and I’m outside everyday but my vitamin D level was still low so I take 2000 daily. Of course they say not to be out in the sun because you’ll get skin cancer. You can’t win for losing! Thank you Dr John, you’ve kept us all sane throughout this last year. May God bless you.
Good point! When we evolved the ability to make vitamin D from sunlight, few of us lived long enough to develop skin cancer. Now that we are devolving instead, the risk of cancer is greater than the risk of low vitamin D deficiency, for which we don't really need skin absorption anymore, since we can get it in food and supplements
There's a polymorphism or mutation common in Europeans where no matter how much sun they get are still deficient. So getting lots of sun with fair skin is no guarantee.
I know its crazy, I think WHO actually label the SUN (yes the actual sun, not bad exposure) as carcinogenic. So if we removed the sun it would be all good, lol. But I have seen studies that show good healthy exposure to the sun reduces Cancer ! Vitamin D helps fight it, just done burn !
When i took Vit D tablets my level of Vit D was still low. Then it was suggested i move my swim time from 6 am to 8 or 9 am so i get 2 hours of sun as well as taking a Vit D capsule daily and my Vit D level is in the normal range now. I am not aware of any symtoms when having low Vitamin D levels
Piddling doses give piddling results in seeking to fail studies. It takes at least 250 mcgs of D3 per day for me to block my colds and influenza from coming each season. A 100 mcgs per day was simply ineffective for me. Healthy serum levels are likely about 50 ng/mL per levels seen in Africans living as animal herders. Even twice that serum level is safe for most. I didn't say all.
The Statistical Error in the Estimation of the Recommended Dietary Allowance of Vitamin D Veugelers and Ekwaru [8], in a correct reanalysis of the data used by the Institute of Medicine, proved that 8895 IU/d are needed for 97.5% of individuals to achieve values ≥50 nmol/L. Heaney et al. [9] confirmed that finding, reporting that 6201 IU/d were needed to achieve the Endocrine Society’s recommendation of 75 nmol/L and 9122 IU/day to reach 100 nmol/L.
@@esecallum www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4220998/ And 100 nmol is not really so high. As that less than what African herders reach. Spector is not someone I'd trust after this bit from him. These guys are about pushing the vaccine and the standard narrative promoted by the oligarchs of the west and autocrats of the east plus all the dancing handmaidens of both i.e. the mainstream media and officials. Note also life insurance rates haven't gone up. This virus is not a big killer. I'll stick with my dose of vitamin D3 at 10 000 IU per day or MORE. I know for me 4000 IU is simply too little.
I'm a Spina Bifida baby (SB meningocele) my spine and cord and I was operated on at four months old, I also have Talipies resulting from the operation, on my right foot...I was one of the lucky ones and led a perfectly normal life and even went on to have four children. I now take Vitd3 and VitK2 and have a VitB12 shot every three months...I had my first in December because of severe anaemia, following the loading dose...Although I am now disabled (I can't stand for long nor walk far) I really feel very good, I wake up around 7am, which before I could sleep all day lol😂 I now take VitD3 4,000iu100 micrograms od and K2 100 micrograms od, after warching one of your shows discussing vitamins. And I must say I feel so much better and my Haemaglobin is almost back to normal...😁
Thank you Dr Campbell and Professor Spector for this excellent discussion on vitamin D and the immune system, which also touches on lots of other health & nutrition issues.
I moved to Alaska in 1999. By 2002 I began suffering from severe migraines only in the winters. Unfortunately it took me til 2015 till I started taking high doses of Vit. D on a whim hoping for help with the headaches. I don’t get migraines anymore. Not saying this is for everyone but it gave me my life back and I was ahead of the game when COVID hit with regard to Vit. D. I didn’t catch COVID and am now fully vaccinated.
Very similar regime here. I make sure my family have 5-8 different fruit or veg portions a day (mostly veg as were not great fruit lovers) and aim for 20 different fruits and veg over the week. Add to that the regular use of garlic, a variety of herbs (both fresh and dried), ginger, turmeric, paprika, nutmeg, cumin and other spices, plus nuts and seeds, I’m pretty sure we hit well over 30 different items a week. Where I’m struggling is the probiotics - I love sauerkraut (my mum’s German) but I’ve yet to get the rest of the family eating it.
2 professional minds meeting, respectful discussion, not agreeing on everything, know that more work is required. How mature and refreshing compared to the SHOUTING that occurs. Excellent, thank you gentlemen.
What does Professor Spector think of the University of Cordoba (Spain) Hospital study, published Sept. 2020 and the later follow up which showed 100% success for Covid-19 patients?
'Vitamin D Mitigates COVID-19, Say 40+ Patient Studies (listed below) .. Vitamin D reduces COVID-19; infection; severity; ICU admission and mortality: as clearly evidenced by; immune biology, observational and interventional studies, and wider considerations of; latitude, seasonal UVB exposure, and national supplementation policies: the uncertainty is the quantum: but studies suggest ‘D’ effects are likely large - 50% less infectivity - multiples lower ICU and mortality rate.' BMJ Oct 2020. 40+ -1 retracted still makes about twice amount that was reviewed in the 2nd influenza - Vit D meta study.
@Auld Lang Syne Are you sure you are talking about the same study? Dr. Campbell was not very precise in naming it, and there have been *several* studies from Spain. Google ""spain covid vitamin d cordoba" to see two different hospitals mentioned as running studies and google ""spain covid vitamin d barcelona" to set yet *more* Spanish studies.
@Auld Lang Syne This one hasn't, so far as I can tell. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7456194/ - different authors from the one that was withdrawn. It's a smaller patient group, too.
Only from personal experience, I've only had 1 bad cold in the 3 years since taking vit d and I was working with 60 5yrs old kids. I think I've done pretty well as most people get a lot of colds when they first start working with children...
Been taking the magic 4, vitamin D3, C, Zinc, and Echnicea everyday for 27 years of being an over the road truck driver, only maybe 4 times i felt an infection starting. I increased frequency of the magic 4, and within a day whatever was starting was gone.
@@joejackson6205 Every immune system, and the environment it contends with, is different. I taught high school for 30 years, took lots of Vit C and other supplements daily, had a healthy diet and lifestyle, and still averaged 2-3 very bad upper-respiratory infections per year that lasted at least a week and often much longer. I attribute this to teaching in an area with a large immigrant population that frequently flies back to their home countries throughout the year (not just on school holidays). International air travel is responsible for the spread of Covid, and now the "VOC's", yet the passenger planes keep flying.
@@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry i agree international travel is the number 1 method of spreading pathogens, air, sea, or land. I remember reading a virolist interview saying airplanes were the perfect iccubators for human pathogens. Personally, though i believe immigration should be generous, the worst thing Ted Kennedy did to America was the the immigration reform act of 1968, that eleiminatef health screening before coming into the country, even on a tourist visa. I also agree that we all react differently to pathogens. My point though is taking all 4 of the magic 4 daily. Not in mega doses, that causes problems in some people. But daily in moderate to slightly more doses, from trusted manufacturers. Since, you taught in a heavy latin immigration area, have you ever been tested for tuberculosis? I know the magic 4 though being great at managing viral infections, are not so good at bactetial infections. I admit tuberculosis, leprosy and other such infections do require specialised antibiotics. And on the air travel thing, be prepared for an uptick in polio, the big pocket left of polio being in Afghanistan, and those people are starting to get mobile. Just a heads up.
Wise words from Mr Spector. As a long time supplement enthusiast, I am slowly realizing it can have its unhealthy side & better to focus on food. For example, I now eat Natto regularly, instead of taking a vitamin K supplement.
It's in the name really .supplement. shouldn't 3ber be the first thing to do. Attempt to correct any deficiency naturally...then use supplements. Sadly everyone wants the quick fix these days. And we've been groomed by pharma to believe pills are just fine.
Prior to 2020 I would get cold sores twice a year regularly coming into and out of winter. Started taking vitamin D, April 2020, and I haven't had a cold sore since. .
Conclusion Parachute use compared with a backpack control did not reduce death or major traumatic injury when used by participants jumping from aircraft in this first randomized evaluation of the intervention. This largely resulted from our ability to only recruit participants jumping from stationary aircraft on the ground. When beliefs regarding the effectiveness of an intervention exist in the community, randomized trials evaluating their effectiveness could selectively enroll individuals with a lower likelihood of benefit, thereby diminishing the applicability of trial results to routine practice. Therefore, although we can confidently recommend that individuals jumping from small stationary aircraft on the ground do not require parachutes, individual judgment should be exercised when applying these findings at higher altitudes. What is already known on this topic Parachutes are routinely used to prevent death or major traumatic injury among individuals jumping from aircraft, but their efficacy is based primarily on biological plausibility and expert opinion No randomized controlled trials of parachute use have yet been attempted, presumably owing to a lack of equipoise What this study adds This randomized trial of parachute use found no reduction in death or major injury compared with individuals jumping from aircraft with an empty backpack Lack of enrolment of individuals at high risk could have influenced the results of the trial
There is little debate over the benefits of Vitamin D for overall health and for disease prevention. The promotion of pharmaceuticals over prevention, healthy diet and lifestyle will never end! An emphasis on prevention over treatment is key.
I have various chronic conditions that affect my abilities to get around and do normal things. For roughly 5 years, I had the flu vaccine, and then spent those winters with one cold, flu, and chest infection, after another. At least once or twice a year I would have pains all over, coughing up blood, and was hardly able to even get to the bathroom and the kitchen each day. In 2010 I stopped having the flu vaccine and started taking Vitamin D. I've not had a serious cold or flu since then! And only had 4, very mild colds. In 12 years! There is no doubt in my mind that vaccines do not assist my immune system at all - whilst Vitamin D has greatly improved the quality of my life, especially in winter. I'm not suggesting the same would be true for you, but can only pass on my own experience.
What I took from this : no harm in taking my vitamin D keep going with what I already know is a healthy lifestyle, such as a varied diet and exercise. I think the talk between these two knowledge gents was very helpful. Thank you.
Wrong - there was absolutely no discussion of possible harm, and there should have been. You can find lots of evidence for harm if you look for videos on this - and a lot of claims that high vitamin D can cause calcium deposition in blood vessels and heart, but that taking adequate Vitamin K2 stops this and ensures that calcium goes to bone and not to soft tissues.
@@lindosland absolutely can attest to this... because naively thought it was safe until my arterial calcium rose. I have thankfully reduced it with k2 ... but I wonder how many people are taking it and loading up their arteries!
I have IBS which I developed in the past few years. So the healthy foods I did eat, I can no longer eat without causing serious problems. I had my Doctor test me, and my Vitamin D level was low according to the current scale. So I will continue to take vitamin D in winter. As long as I don't take what is considered too much, I believe it can't hurt, and may help. Until I get better information.
🙏much respect for the dignity & respect to audience in Dr John in how he manages this conversation - thank you 🌟 when the professor Spector says ‘it’s too complicated to explain’ displays exactly what he thinks of the audience, btw when prof Spector says he sees as only ‘1 in 100 needing Vit D supplements’ is still quite substantial section of the population who need to supplement with Vit D.
"trip to the sunshine as soon as I can in the Northern England"!!!!! Thank you for this interesting debate! I´ll continue taking my vitamin D (with K2 and magnesium), having the serum levels supervised though and also (as always) doing my best to have a very healthy diet.
I try and avoid the North of England for the sun it just get too hot 😂 😂 😂 il stay 100 miles more north just to be on the safe side 😂 😂 😂 best wishes from Glasgow scotland 👍
@@mj-ev8hu yes petra Sweden is a same kind of weather as scotland our summers if its a good day average about 22c sometime warmer in heatwaves it can go to about 32celcuis we are not used to the heat in Scotland I prefer temps about 20celcuis as I work outdoors not to hot or not too cold thanks for your reply stay safe 👍
The Zoe App never asked me what level of Vitamin D I took in their study and whether I had been tested. I'm saying this as someone who was diagnosed as severely deficient over a decade ago, worked with my GPs to take the right doseage for me and was told to ensure I have a vitamin D test at least once per year. Oh and the NHS won't pay for the tests...
That was my reaction when Tim mentioned that. I too have been using the Zoe Ap for months for myself and my children and have never been asked re Vit D
See... This!!! This is why I get so frustrated at the medical establishment when they cherry pick their data to suit their narrative. Peace and Love, j
@@criticalthought7527 I agree. I don't trust Dr S at all. Blindingly obvious to find out about Vit D levels via the Zoe App. Why not? Because hexwas told NOT too.
Great discussion. I am taking 10, 000 IU of D3 and 200mg of K2 and keeping with it for the winter. Rather have a higher level of D3 than a lower level.
The Cordoba trial may have been small, but the results were too black and white to be dismissed. Of 50 patients treated with calcifediol one required ICU and none died; of the 26 patients not treated with calcifediol, 13 required ICU and two died. I'm recently signed up to 'Zoe', but it has never asked for my (high) vitamin D blood level.
All I know is that in all probability I was low in Vat D and since starting to take 8000iu/day, neither my wife nor I have had as much as a sniffle. It could be, of course, that this would be a consequence of social distancing and basically no socialising, plus the use of marks during the past year or longer. However I'll keep on going with supplementary VitD, K2, zinc and some magnesium for the foreseeable future. There's no downside at the level I use apart from to my pocket and really, it is quite cheap.
I am so appreciative of the friendly, respectful discussion. It has become so rare to see anyone willing to disagree with others without rage. Thank you to both of you for calmly presenting two completely opposite sides of the issue!!!
Thank you, both. Very interesting discussion. I do take vitamin D, regularly in winter, but I’m trying to improve my diet as well, and found Prof Spector’s book very helpful. I follow both of you and do the Zoe app.
I was suicidal, very depressed, started taking vitamin D3 and my mind became so clear, thank God for vitamin D3. It saved me
Many of people had the same outcome , well done 👍 and continue getting better.
@@daxd8358 thank you ☺️
odd how the medical establishment is so willing to prescribe Prosac with all its side effects, but never give a sideways glance at nutrition, especially Vitamin D. No downside except you might feel better and no longer need prescription meds. Hurrah for you.
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Most western depression is caused by indoor living. Which results in lower vitamin d and a compromised metabolism.
Combining vitamin d with exercise and being outdoors with a good diet is a great strategy.
@@bighands69 absolutely
My son was a submariner; he spent 3 months under the sea without sunshine. The Navy does not supply supplemental Vitamin D for these men during these voyages. We had packed him a "midway package " with 5,000IU Vitamin D capsules. He said his mood improved greatly.
Great idea that kitty well done hopefully your son will pass on the tips best wishes from Glasgow scotland stay safe 👍
That doesn't surprise me. The Navy should really look at this.
That's great! Submariners do suffer greatly from depression.
Shame on the navy !!!
Did he open his midway package midway through the voyage? And did it also contain well-wishes and gifts from his family? A lift in spirits could be caused simply by being reminded of home and loved ones. Just a thought. Needs to be double blind with placebos.
Regardless of which side you're on, can we just take a moment to appreciate this debate - conducted with mutual respect and class? Well done. Great segment.
Agreed. I think the thing with these types rather than being 'interviewed' is that they are actively in discourse and not trying to trick someone into saying something for a gorchya moment or to prove the other absolutely incorrect in their views.
It's a discussion. Every discussion will be respectful and civil. Otherwise it's either an argument or some form of deception.
But agree. It's always lovely hearing opposing arguments discussed civilly. Something I admit I havent mastered.
Agree- how refreshing to have a considered- non biased discussion
Exactly......
@@out_spocken So very true.
you must be used to watching americans debate .
this is quite normal.
The best 'proof' of not being a charlatan is by having an open debate. Well done, more of these please, I love it. No winner or losers, just shared knowledge.
Its refreshing isn't it?
Very good quote sir
Very good observation. If that attitude would be more common in people, things would be a lot greater. Dr. Campbell invites other health specialists to his videos and always acts in a humble way. He makes questions to the other doctors, in a way that all of us can learn from it. Of course he knows the answer, it is that he promotes the “learning” as his goal. I am so thankful to him for sharing his precious knowledge to the general public an people that want to learn.
Yes, agreed. Dr Campbell speaks for a lot of people who love “ boosting” their health with nostrums. The same people are far less interested in exercise
@@alfredopampanga9356 I would argue that he speaks to their disinclination for exercise and desire to supplement their way to good health but disagree that he speaks for them when he himself has put forward the benefits of exercise and good nutrition.
Refreshing to watch two people debate a subject without it devolving into raised voices and interruption. We so rarely see it nowadays that it was very noticeable to me.
The house of commons could learn by this debate super calm and chilled here here 😂 best from Glasgow scotland stay safe 👍
So true. I tease deniers on a different account and the escalation into anger and abuse from the replies is nuclear.
@@CountDrunkula I can relate.👍
@@wboyle9721 the house of commons has certainly changed a lot from the days it was filled with only old white men like these two debating here (no offence John lol)
When two people discuss their different opinions, they can mutually respect each others opinion. It is when people discuss their beliefs that things turn sour.
I started supplementing Vitamin D four months prior to getting Covid19 infection. My blood levels went from 30 ng/mL up to 75 ng/mL recently tested-My Covid infection included chills, fever, muscle aches, loss smell, taste, congestion, but I never had to go to the hospital despite living in a disabled body with a compromised respiratory system. I continue to work on my gut microbiome. Thanks John Campbell and Tim Spector.
Speaking of gut biome, Dr. Spector mentioned it and said nothing about *how* to do it: the only means I know of is to eat fermented foods, especially yogurt, but also cheeses, sauerkraut, kimchi and who knows what else. He should have said more about it.
Love that you took responsibility for your health. We can all do better given whatever body we have.
@@SpectatorAlius , He does go a little more into *how* in their last discussion about the microbiome. That was a couple of weeks ago.
How much dosage d3 did you take?
The majority of people that get Covid don't end up in hospital. For the vast majority, it's like a 48hr flu. Still, no one wants to be to one that end up very ill and possibly dies. I knew 1 person that got covid.. she passed within a week of symptoms. Everyone else I know that caught it (I'm talking positive PCR test) thought they had a minor cold. One friend woke up fatigued, but by the next morning, he felt fine. That evening he couldn't smell or taste so he went to get tested. He tested positive.. He got his smell and taste back within a week. Another friend was fatigued and had a bad headache for a couple days. When that went away, he lost his taste and smell too.. so he got tested.. positive again. It took him a month from his positive test to get his smell and taste back. What I've found, at least with my friends is that they generally only have symptoms for 3 to 4 days max, and they all think they caught a cold... until they lost either their smell and or taste.. thats when they go for a test. BTW, most of the people I know that tested positive are 50+. I know a few in their 20s that tested positive and those fools had me laughing. One had diarrhea for a week... and all I heard was crap jokes for a while.
At 81 I had the covid in June '20.HAve been taking D3 at around 4kIU with Zn, Mg and Se for years daily.Was cripplingly tired for 5 days and that was about it.No fever, no cough, no respiratory problems and no medical help needed whatsoever.
Thank you so much for sharing. That is very valuable information. May I please ask you if you could let me know the amounts of the other supplements/vitamins that you took? Thank you.
Excellent
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My husband and I taking similar supplements - we're ages 79 and 86. Neither of us have been ill, no covid, no flu for three plus years. I definitely take Campbell's side.
You were thankfully very lucky
Years ago, the old matrons of the hospitals used to insist on moving the patients outside in their hospital beds to get fresh air and sunshine. Perhaps they knew more than we gave them credit for, and maybe this would benefit patients today.
During Spanish flu. Hospitals found they had a much better treatment response when they put patients outside. They always used to have windows open too. Doctor's used to prescribe open air treatment for TB
@@edd4875 yes and today the windows are generally kept closed in hospitals . I don't know if this has changed since covid.
Absolutely, I will continue to take vitamin D and take Zinc when run down and feeling like about to get sick.
We were never meant to be inside as much as we are.... I have crooked legs from growing up in Northern Germany, dark and little outside, of course no supplementation.
My hubby has been through cancer.. .... one common factor of most or all cancer patients? Miserable vit d levels.
Please nobody listen to the simplistic views of this doctor at the end . There is so much more research than he has.
The real money is being made on cancer "treatment", Meds for autoimmune diseases, depression etc all of these can be prevented by good vitamin d levels.
It's laughable to talk about money being made on pretend needs of vitamin D.
Yes, supplements are good while also eating healthy and while cutting crap food out.
I am a icu nurse in United States. I have been preaching this for years. Also, they kill the gut with all these meds, but when we suggest giving pt. Buttermilk, because I just recently discovered kefir, they look at me like I had grown 5 heads🧐
Annette, agreed. the hospital I worked at 50 years ago had a TB unit that had a porch. Patients were routinely taken out there to take in the sunshine.
My board certified endocrinologist is a big believer in D and puts all patients on 5000 IU. Hasn't lost a patient to Covid yet. He serves poor communities who are disproportionately hit by Covid.
I'm really glad you got a good Doctor with an enquiring mind. They seem to be a minority these days.
@@chrisseoc7095 yes. pill pushers for big pharma.
@@esecallum There is no money in Vitamin D for big pharma
@@RandomDudeOne SPECTOR said it vit D is rubbish in the video
@William Nelson I have looked at all the studies and so far I am not convinced that taking vit D is of any benefit. Please reference the data that shows the efficacy of vit D.
I love videos such as these where people are able to discuss a subject openly and amicably, even where there are disagreements, and we all learn in the process. Thank you both for doing this!
I agree, reasoned debate done in a respectful manner leads to better understanding by all
Yes it was pretty calm good points of view debated best all from Glasgow stay safe 👍
I agree! Intelligent people having an intelligent conversation focused on all possible correct solutions.
This is increasingly rare these days.
The base of this is probable honesty, if you into a debate looking to find answers and not to discredit other's reasoning you end up with this sort of exchange. So honest people is the key to me
How refreshing to listen to honest and open debate between health experts. Something that has been sorely missed over this past year.
Yeah take your vitamins could save your life
Loved Dr Campbell's last comment there....."and I'll be getting a trip to the sunshine just as soon as I can, in the north of England" 😅😅👍
...and the answer from the Professor was a grim look. He seemed a very miserable man.
UVB is what you need, & UK winter sun doesn't have any at all reaching us because of the low southern angle.
No one can make Vit☀D from WINTER sun below 35° N or S latitude! Supplements work 365 days a year, but GI, liver, kidney diseases still block it's required metabolism, need higher Rx form.
Dark skin doesn't change oral need, but,
Age
Especially obesity
All require higher dosing.
Having taken vitamin d for the last year and having not been sick at all. I’ll be continuing to take it.
I don't take any supplements and haven't been sick in over a year. Fact is, most people I know haven't been sick. I feel this has more to do with lock downs and working from home... and when out in public, the social distancing and the masks... I really hate masks... it causes my glasses to fog most times.
VitC & VitD are essential
@@jennifervictore5471 i take both of these daily during and after my Covid infection back in July 👌
@Gorgeous George can you explain the exact chemical difference between 'natural' and 'chemical' calciferol please.
@@jennifervictore5471 Your daily need of vitamin C can be easily obtained by a healthy diet with normal amounts of vegetables and fruits. This is not possible with vitamin D, the daily amount from diet is about 20-40 IU, so you really need the sun. But if you live in the northern part of the USA/Canada or Europe the sun is not strong enough during half of the year. So vitamin C and D are essential but vitamin D3 supplements are most essential for a lot of people.
Vitamin D 3 is what I take, we are not living in a sunny country, and they are not expensive so I will continue to take them
Same. It's like the cost of a teabag so I've got them on auto-reorder.
Me too!
After learning that high fructose corn syrup (thank you MedCram) deactivates vitamin D in your body I make a point to avoid that in my diet; but I know my diet isn't the best.
Regular blood work is needed - I tailor my vitamins to boost where I know I am deficient and otherwise take a maintenance approach.
Humans evolved to live primarily outdoors, every day, all year round.
It's near impossible to get the same level of D3 from diet alone as you would receive living outdoors in a tropical/sub-tropical region. Therefore, it is quite reasonable to assume that a supplement would be beneficial.
However, we also know that Northern Europeans have already evolved in a few ways since our ancestors left Africa. The most obvious evolutionary change is our white skin. Also, most of the World's humans have evolved even more recently than that, since the domestication of animals, to retain the enzymes necessary to digest milk (lactose) into adulthood.
The point here being that we can't be sure just what a normal level of D3 is. What's normal for a bushman living in the Kalahari might not be normal for a Scotsman. It might actually be the same - we just don't know yet.
However, there is more to consider here than any possible evolutionary adapatations to the climate and the strength of the Sun.
Our lifestyles changed, in a big way, far more recently than the move out of Africa or the domestication of animals. Much too recently to have evolved in any meaningful way.
That change came with the industrial revolution.
Prior to the industrial revolution, most people lived in the countryside and were involved in food production - working outdoors, 7 days per week, regardless of the weather. Now, most of us aren't exposed to any sun from Monday to Friday, frequently none at all all week, and when we are, it's usually only for a short time, not the entire day. Even those who live in the tropics probably spend at least five days per week working indoors. It seems logical to me to assume that this change has to have made a difference to the amount of D3 our bodies receive.
Plus in Europe the winter sunshine is at wrong angle to produce vitamin d3 naturally in skin for 6 months of year. If you work full time indoors and don’t get much sun in winter our bodies at a disadvantage to our ancestors who could store up vitamin d when working outside on farms etc
@@antonystringfellow5152 agreed just read your comments. In sensible doses in northern hemisphere countries I suspect it does more good than harm.
Dr JC has been an invaluable source of high quality information and primary source documentation during this historic pandemic which I give credit for helping to keep my family safe, and for that I am eternally grateful. Perhaps even more impressive than this contribution is Dr John’s example of humility and empathy.
I totally agree. He is a Hero in this pandemia. He is working daily, making complex research from around the world; and then presenting it to us in such a didactic way. And every day a new great video. I just discovered him about a month ago. Now, I watch him and not longer the mainstream news, to be informed and up to date with the pandemia.
Yes. His character has caused me to pay attention to his work as it's a reliable source. His empathy, kindness, and professionalism has always been an outstanding feature of all his interviews. Seems to be an utterly remarkable doctor and person all the way around! Thanks be to God! May God bless both these doctors.
How can you not love Dr Campbell's genuineness?
Easily once you see thru the bs
Campbell is a master of psychology. Perhaps the people will one day understand, but I do not know. .
@@fenlander7114 what b.s. are you referring to?
@@AddamSolo what are you talking about?
@@AddamSolo exactly. His cult of followers are entirely oblivious to it
Did I miss something? He said that the study was to see if Vitamin D made a difference in whether or not you contract covid. But that was never the issue. We are interested in whether Vitamin D reduces the chance of cytokine storm.
Around the 5 minute mark he starts to talk about cytokines.
“I will continue to follow Dr. Campbell and his view on Vitamin D. My pulmonologist just removed another inhaler for me to take. My lungs clear, the best shape in the past year., I believe following Dr. Campbell because I see the positive results for me.
THE OTHER GUY IS TALKING crap. vit D is low BECAUSE your ill. crap
Well am not giving thought to that other guy. My husband, first time in years, didn’t get 2 winter colds this past year he usually gets. I started us on Dr. Campbell’s suggestion on Vitamin D last February. Best thing I’ve done for us both. Thank you, Dr. Campbell. You helped us stay well.
@@lmr691 About 30 years ago I went to see my Dr about always being tired and basically crap. It was a Asian Dr who saw me ( lovely lady ) . She said that most men in northern Europe were short of vitD and advised me to take supplements to boost my levels. I started with 1000 units during summer but went up to 2000 in the winter months. I am now pushing 70 years old and can honestly say I have never had Flu or a cold since, even when working with people coughing and sneezing all around me.
@@allandesoer7672 I wished I had had this information years ago and wouldn’t have had the many pneumonia illnesses over the last 30+ years, and my lungs wouldn’t have this scar tissue.
@@lmr691 I went to the Dr because I was fed up of being knackerd all the time, my own Dr never really did anything over the years but the young Asian Dr was great , she listened ! and gave me a thorough check up, time didn't restricted with her. Just wish she was still in the practice an was my named GP.
Think after looking at the studies in spain, I will follow the science and keep taking my vitamin D
That study was retracted because statistical analysis were not done properly.
@@monanemani742 interesting, dosen't mean of course that the vitamin d supplementation didn't work, just the analysis was incorrect
@@glennseal907 but it does mean that if you are following that study, you aren't "following the science" like you claim.
I've currently got a grade iii brain tumour (oligodendroglioma) I've had surgery, radiotherapy and was meant to start chemotherapy in January 2022. I had one cycle of chemo before I had to stop, due to my ALT levels being too high. I then had an ultrasound, which revealed I had, Non alcoholic fatty liver disease. I also had psoriasis, which since my diagnosis, has developed into psoriatic arthritis.
So, from the 1st Feb 21 to 7th Jan 22 I've received no cancer treatment whatsoever (apart from my own personal plant based treatment) And for that whole year they couldn't work out why my ALT levels were so high. So, as I now have epilepsy, as a result of the tumour, they took me off my epilepsy meds (Epilim), then they took me off the steroids (Dexamethosone) but my bloods kept coming back the same, elevated ALT. They then lowered my other epilepsy meds (Keppra) to see if that would make a difference. Then due to negative side effects (aggression, memory loss, depression) from the Keppra, they put me on Brivaracetam (still have some side effects, but nowhere near as bad as the Keppra) But again, after all these changes, my ALT levels remained high.
Finally in September 21, my GP decided to get *all* my bloods checked, instead of the specific ones my oncologist was asking for. It came back that I had a vitamin D deficiancy ("below 12"). They put me on a course of vitamin D3 3,200 supplements, and by December 22 my bloods came backing saying my ALT levels were back to normal ("normal range") and I can now commence chemotherapy. My fatty liver symptoms have cleared up, and along with some Enstilar, my psoriasis has cleared up and my joint and muscle pains have gone. My epileptic seizures have also remained under control.
I will also say that I haven't eaten fish for years as I had food poisening when I was young, and It put me off for life. And because of my psoriasis I never went out or played out in the sun (stupid I know).
Oh, and my last MRI in 29th November 2022 my results came back saying the tumour hasn't moved and is stable.
I know it's only my little antidote, but hopefully someone might get something from it.
Thank you for this description of your experience. I'm taking a vit D & K supplement. And a knee private has greatly improved. Whether as result of the vitamins I have no idea. Best wishes for your on going treatment
Ha! Not "private", I meant "problem"
I wish you good health.
Look into paw paw extract and papaya leaf.
Dandelion and milk thistle .soursop tea leaves for the cancer it heal cancer 10,000 times more then chemo..love u all
My daughter was diagnosed with MS and the only treatment she's been given so far is 4000ui vitamin D. I've been taking it since watching Dr J in March last year, I have several chronic illnesses and have not been as depressed, also SAD was nowhere near as bad this year too. Thank you Dr John xx
I have MS too and I take VERY high dose of vitamin-d as only treatment. I follow the Coimbra Protocol under guidance of a german Protocol doctor.
Perhaps she should try the Coimbra protocol...with medical assistance only!
As someone thats had MS for 23 years, I would suggest she at least get on something other than Vit D. Yes, D helps, but you need to fight the demyleniation. There are so many disease modifying therapies out there now. There's no cure, but the DMT's will slow the progression, even if her progression is very slow right now. MS is so very unpredictable, that doing everything you can to start battling back ASAP helps tremendously. I wish her the best of luck, and I hope her disease ends up being on the mild end.
@@DragynGirl Coimbra Protocol and plant based diet low in saturated fats helps!
Same here with the SAD. Not nearly as bad - matter of fact, I could say non-existent.
Just watching Professor Spectors general body language i found him to not be very open to the idea that Vit D could help with Covid , he had his opinions and thats that .
HE IS TALKING CRAP. 87% ARE DEFICIENT TO START WITH WORLDWIDE.
big pharma stooge by the sound
@Albert Clarke He is an old fart with his education 40 years out of date. his brain is old and fossiled. he cant think new thoughts. he never does any research and just spouts what his paymasters tell him
@@esecallum agree
@@happyhealthylife4ever I mean after 7 years of medical school would you want learn more? you just want to start the money rolling in.
Thank you Dr. Campbell for bringing attention to vitamin D deficiency and supplementation. I agree with you 💯!!
I've been taking Vitamin D, 4000iu a day.
After losing my sense of smell about 8 years ago, I didn't know why.. Well after about 4 weeks on Vitamin D, my sense of smell is back.
My lungs are getting stronger as well...
A supplement that can help your lungs ( in addition to vit-d ), liver and kidneys and worth a try is N-acetyl-cysteine. Do some research. It is worth trying.
I’ve had a similar experience. My sense of smell was much diminished over the years but after taking vitamin D 10 000 and zinc 200 for 6 months, I noticed my sense of smell returning. Not sure if this is just a coincidence, but I’m delighted to be able to smell the flowers again.
D3 taken daily since 2017 has not returned my sense of smell (loss caused I think by a smoking partner decades ago), improved my asthma or reduced seasonal hayfever. I started on it hoping it would help slow the progression of arthritis but it's debatable that d3 has made any difference, unlike losing 8kg which made a noticeable difference
I take 4000 daily. My doctor told me to and she checks my levels twice every year. She wants me in the upper level of the normal range. I’m going to continue doing this as so far so good!
Search for Jeff T. Bowles or Dr. Coimbra protocol. You can have even more benefits with higher doses.
To me it's just common sense. We know Vitamin D plays an important role with our immune systems. We also know a lot of people are deficient in Vitamin D. During a pandemic taking Vitamin D supplements to raise your level to sufficiency is the logical thing to do.
No, we don't know that a lot of people are deficient - that's Tim's point, because we all probably have different optimum levels and have no basis for assuming a correct level. I'm not convinced he's right though, for many reasons that came out in the video.
We do know that human bodies stop Vitamin D synthesis from the sun at about 70 ng/ml. That's the level they see in Hawaiian life guards and Masai tribesmen. So your body seems to see that level as optimal. Most people in the US are below 20 ng/ml.
@@lindosland The vast majority of the population in Europe is either deficient or in the low end for serum level of vitamin D.
@@leonardodavinci7425 You don't seem to have taken in Tim's argument - we have no EVIDENCE that they are deficient, because we do not know what is NORMAL. We do not know because we know that people are likely to vary in optimal level, and for all we know their bodies are setting a low level for reasons we do not understand, or because of a condition they have. I think you are probably right, but it's only a feeling based on many clues. Without the right experiments we cannot actually know that people are 'deficient' or in the low end (low end of what - determined how). They are in the low end of the observed range; that is all we can say as fact, but it does not follow necessarily that this is a problem rather than a feature of how we all vary. In fact, some people must always be in the low end of the observed range! There are many clinical variables that vary that pose a similar problem. Some men have low testosterone, compared to others, but we do not supplement. If we did we might observe more cancers etc. Some people have half the mean level of THS (thyroid stimulating hormone) but that doesn't mean we should supplement; it means that their pituitary is compensating for their particular thyroid function, which is not necessarily abnormal.
@@lindosland Lots of studies clearly demonstrate what's a deficiency level and what's a healthy level.
Dr. Campbell, you helped change my life, how? Back in Feb. I had a vit D blood test and it was 15. My complaint was severe fatigue, I also have active/reactivated EBS Epstein Barr. I didn't take the vit D to seriously and started a multivit with 1000iu of D. After watching you talk about VitD importance, I upped it to 5000iu/day and after 1 month now, the change is massive. I'm 55, so much energy, mental clarity, increase libido. So for me it was conclusive, vitD can be critical. Thank you again.
John, When I was a child (70 years ago)--I was hospitalised for many years=resulr of a car accident. it was hospital procedue to move long term patients into the sunshine daily for a few hours to sunbathe--ostensibly for health reasons.)
I’ve been taking vitamin D 4000ug since start of COVID. It has reduced my pain by 80%. I have RA, Hashimoto and Osteoarthritis.
I do relate to this. I have a genetic bone disease that affected my hip and right femur (called fibrous displasia), and I don’t know if it’s a coincidence or not, but since I started 4000ui ViT D daily I’ve been most of the time pain free, whereas before I would feel pain at least once a month for a week.
When the D gets low, the B12 gets low, because the D is needed in the stomach cells to produce intrinsic factor to absorb B12. When the B12 gets low at the tissue level it causes the methylmalonic acid to rise, which eats the myelin sheaths off the nerves that contain the electrical signals. This causes the eletricity to shock the surrounding tissue and cause pain. I wonder if that could be the reason vit D reduced your pain. You were absorbing B12 when the D levels normalized and it repairs the sheaths over time. The reason I know so much about this, is because I researched it years ago to cure my brother, who had been misdiagnosed as a schizophrenic. His problems were being caused by a low B12 and a high free copper. None of the psychiatrists he had ever tested his B12. When his B12 got low, it caused M acid to get high which blocked enzymes in his urea cycle from converting ammonia to urea. The high ammonia was causing him to hallucinate. Once his B12 was normalized, his ammonia normalized and his psychosis was cured. All they wanted to do was give him drugs to treat the symptoms and say he had an incurable diseases called schizophrenia that has never even been proven to exist. Anyway, you might have your free copper level checked, along with your methylmaloninc acid, which will show if your B12 is low at the tissue level. My brother's whole problem stemmed from an elevated free copper due to a binding gene defect. The elevated free copper was causing his D, B12, iron, B9, zinc and many other things to be low. Then once the B12 got low, due to a low D, his methylmalonic acid rose, which created a high ammonia.
This might interest you "Vitamin D Resistance as a Possible Cause of Autoimmune Diseases: A Hypothesis Confirmed by a Therapeutic High-Dose Vitamin D Protocol" www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2021.655739/full
@@excepticayselectiva Thanks for the information my friend.
It has help mee too
You should interview Dr. Stasha Gominak regarding vitamin D and covid. She has been doing some profound studies on vitamin D, sleep, and immunity (gut biome) and has profound evidence through her sleep studies that the absence of vitamin D is a cause of disease, not consequence.
Thank you for sharing the name of this doctor. I'm interested to hear more about them. I printed off a chart that shows the lower a person's blood levels of D are the more they are at risk for various cancers.
Her work on migraine is very interesting. Fix the sleep to remove the headaches.
Tims hands barely stopped moving, which made me wonder, just how confident he was!. To me it is obvious, we will not get the same vitamin D3 in the winter months as we get in the summer. I didn't hear him say what a dangerous level might be, so to me he wasted Johns time and ours. 🇬🇧
@@royhenderson9826 I read recently a level over a 100 is toxic. My son's Dr was happy with a level of 23..the lab test showed it to be normal range in S.A..i don't agree
Dr. Gominak saved me! She is amazing!
This is the way a debate needs to be. Not one where there is a winner and looser and where egos are enhanced and threatened, but one with openness, respect and desire for truth.
I got a severe case of COVID , april 2000 , really thought i was going to die , i was off work for months and had various symptoms for well over a year.After researching the subject of covid recovery i came across different discussions on the benefits of vitamin D around 6 months ago, so i started taking vitamin D3 4000iu +K2 100ug from then .A week ago myself and my partner tested positive for COVID , I have had hardly any issues at all and starting back to work on wenesday after my isolation .So its a big yes for vitamin D from me ...😀
your not factoring in your immunity after infection - I take 5000iu - just saying
I would agree with John S
Link below I'm sure you'll find interesting atb.
Vitamin D is not an optional supplement. it is a non-negotiable cellular necessity.
it is your life health support system.
ua-cam.com/video/FEmxqZN7VWI/v-deo.html
Influenza mostly disappears in the summer. Higher vitamin D levels.
I missed the question mark. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
Covid-19 as well
Possibly. Also absolute humidity levels are higher in summer as well which effects viral transmissibility and receptivity.
@@paulgribbon2837 UV radiation is the major factor if you're in public. UV light destroys viral particles quickly. Temperature doesn't.
does our diet not change, too, when the season changes. more vit c coming in from salads, fruits ?
I'm with John on vitamin D. I've been taking it and my family and we are all good despite living in the overpopulated capital in a country hard hit by the virus. Spector should cite the dosages used by the people in his studies.
You make a good point on the dosages. That might be the difference right there, causing the outcome observed between these two views.
Exactly, the dosages! The n sample is really impressive, but what does it matter if probably the majority of people take those multivitamins where the vitD dosages are, at best, marginal...
I had Covid back in November. My symptoms were relatively mild. I've been on Vitamin D for over two years. My roommates who were not taking Vitamin D had severe symptoms, both of them were hospitalized for a bit. Definitely not proof of anything, but I think the Vitamin D helped me.
Both of your roommates were hospitalized.. because of corona?.. how old are they?
@@missktofdk They recovered. One is a nurse. She was hospitalized for a day. The other, her mother, was in the hospital for several days on Oxygen. She has recovered now, but it was scary having two ambulances pull up to the front of our house and take them away.
@@elgonwilliams7624
Sure, that must have been scary.
Glad to hear they’re both fine ❤️
Thanks for sharing 👍😊
THAT is a piece of evidence that Vit D DID help. Thanks for sharing. How much Vit D have you been taking? Could you please share from which brand/lab are your Vit D?
@@Qualityselection
I know I'm not the person you're asking the question of, but thought I'd weigh in anyway. (If you're in the US) my friend's oncoligist is a big proponent of D & recommends Liqui-D3 from Rx Vitamins. It's suspended in olive oil & taken under the tongue. Goes straight into the bloodstream.
Thank you, had been waiting for a long time for this discussion, much appreciated, a very balanced approach in my view. For the time being I will continue taking my Vit D supplement.
My levels finally reached 59 after 4 months of supplementation. Started from a 22.
What dosage did you take?
I take the 15,000 iu daily as recommended by J. Campbell and my Vitamin D levels are "good" according to my physician.
Dr. Gundry said that 85% of his patients in Southern California were Vitamin d deficient.
Yes, it takes a long time to bring a low level up even with "high" levels of supplementation. Ten thousand iu per day is not a huge dose. A doc reported on his attempt to bring his level up: after four months of 5000iu per day, he was still below the low normal. Do take note that supplement quality can vary. My friend was taking 2000iu for the past year (at my urging, though I urged her to take more), and she tested a few days ago at below the low normal level. See? You need a lot unless you get significant sun exposure.
I’ve taken 5,000 a day for years....at least 5....mine is still only in the upper 60’s. It take a long time to get your levels up.
Nothing in this video has changed my belief that vitamin D is really important in health.
Refreshing to see adults debating in a mature logical way, Thanks to both of you.
I just read Spectors book "Spoon Fed".
He rambles on about Climate change too much for my liking, and that has cast doubt about the rest of the book for me.
If I wanted to read about Climate change, I would have bought a book on that subject !!
Each to their own but I felt you were knocking your head against a brick wall John !! I am taking my D and K2 .
The same difficulties that Linus Pauling had regarding 'Vitamin' C. Always "Not enough-needs more evidence".
@@josefschiltz2192 "Always 'Not enough-needs more evidence'"
Same now with ivermectin.
Cymbiotika
@@josefschiltz2192 Linus Pauling was guilty of overkill, when he promoted 10 grams of vitamin C every day!
1) There were no non-acid vit. C supplements back then - and more than 2 grams of ordinary ascorbic acid every day is going to harm most people in the long run!
2) The body can only absorb 200 - 400mgs of vit. C in from one dose anyway and can't store it.
3) Vit. C enhances the uptake of some nutrients but can block others - and it can in large doses (over 2 grams) give internal bleedings and/or kidney problems due to interactions with both OTC and prescription drugs...
@@doriangray_1999 Aware. But good you've posted the information.
Great exchange of ideas ,thank you gentleman.
What a privilege to be party to these two specialists. Thank you so much Tim for hosting.
Professor Spector’s body language reminds me of what it’s like to visit a doctor who isn’t interested in anything outside of what they learned in medical school and isn’t fully listening or believing his patients.
It is good to be challenged by his likes when it comes to research.
Your statement reminds me of what it’s like to have to deal with patients who aren’t interested in anything outside of what they learned from heresay/rumour/bro-science, and aren’t fully listening or believing their doctors (who actually have the right medical education, training and experience).
@@jerome_morrow You could be talking about Dr John Campbell himself (if he were disguised as Joe patient) as the youtube conversation illustrates. Sometimes doctors have to deal with patients who are informed by good, science based sources of information. Some matters aren't a s decided as one would like to believe. Doctors themselves have strongly opposing opinions on the efficacy of HCQ. Pity the patient who has to deal with that without a reliable source of information.
@@jerome_morrow Does your experience bear that all of your Drs are fully informed in all current medical findings?
I am thrilled for you if you have such a Doctor.
This has not been my experience.
I can see exactly the same sense of reception 🤣🤣🤣
I always get the flu, and I usually have 3-4 colds /year. After one year supplementing Vitamine D (100-200ug/day) i have not get cold, and no covid even though i live in Sweden ;-) ) Thanks Campbell!!
Do you mean 1000-2000?
That’s very low indeed
@@elenalepotova6623 I think he might mean 100-200mcg which would be 4000-8000iu -- he's using ug in place of μg [μ being mu in Greek alphabet, and used to indicate "micro"]
@@andrewrobinson9172 It's a good version. You might be right because the dose the man indicated is smaller than in a multivitamin! My capsule of vitamin A contains 400 iu of vitamin D!
I have a similar experience. Until 5 years ago I was always down with colds and flu. I've been taking D3 now for five years - the first five years of my life without any colds or flu. Hardly a fluke I reckon.
Heheh, all I got from this is that the jury is still out on the efficacy of D, re Covid, but I'll continue to supplement anyway. Been doing it for six years and the only probable harm so far has been a minuscule impact on my wallet.
an academic prof cant be seen to fully approve vit d, its bad for research fundings
Spector is no help at all.
I’ve been taking vitamin d for almost three years now have been around people that have had the virus and I got stage three lung cancer and my tumor has gone done three centimeters and in remission now for almost a year and have not been sick ..
I have MS and I'm osteopenic. So I take 2 Natecal ( Calcium and D3 ), daily. As soon as I knew about covid, I added 1,000 IU of vitamin D3 daily. I usually have a bout of pneumonia at least once a year, since increasing vit D3 I haven't even had a chest infection, for the 1st time in 20 years.
Sheila, newer studies recommend not supplementing calcium and add vitk2 to help move the calcium you get from food into appropriate areas like bone. Vitd3 about 4k to 5k twice a day, and vitk2 t 100 once a day is what I'm hearing
I agree with gg. Also I would sincerely recommend looking into Boron, strontium and codliver oil. And Dr Berg has videos on this. And also ubiquinol.
Take 12000 iu vitamin d for ms my partner has this disease
@@aaronward551 Thank you 🙂
I also have MS and have been taking Vit D for over a decade (8000 IU Daily 2x RDI), diagnosed over 11 years. Recently added K2 (3 times a week).
DMT's: Glatiramer acetate (Copaxone, 12 months), Fingolimod (Gilenya, 18 months), Alemtuzumab (Lemtrada, 2016)
Used to take Calcium and D3, but try to get all other micro/macro-nutrients from my diet now.
I have been intermittent fasting for over 8 years (only calorie restrict if immobile for more than 2 weeks due to illness).
l tried every other diet there is, this regiment seems to work well for me and my lifestyle.
I would recommend both approaches: Vit D supplementation (4000 IU D3) plus non-calorie restricted intermittent fasting.
Has it made a difference?
If these guys can't prove the benefits, it would be extremely arrogant of me to say one way or the other.
I'm not a doctor (talk to yours), but would not change either element, as it has not hurt me over this time.
This video was outstanding! It serves as a perfect example of how doctors and scientists can discuss the issues of the pandemic cordially and WITHOUT political influence. Bravo gentlemen.
Good discussion, thank you. Lots to think about & keeping an open mind. Diet, gut health and lifestyle is key, an holistic approach is good.
The fact that evolution selected for extremely white skin when humans migrated to northern Eurasia - where vitamin D from the sun is scarce for many months - suggests that the vitamin is critical to survival.
This is a true comment.
@@Pablito5614 Correct.
Thanks for making this delightfully open minded and polite discussion available to non-specialists.
I'm with Prof Spector on this topic.
He spent a great deal of time & effort studying "Vitamin" D, with positive expectations, and his findings are logical - and also, less importantly, consistent with most all of scientific research: we think we have found something amazing, but on closer inspection results are so nuanced & caveated that irs a nothing-burger.
Good debate, will continue taking our vitamin D 😊
I've been taking D3 *also Sambucus Black Elderberry Gummies *with zinc & Vitamin C* since 1st discussed & confined myself to my home (since last March). I didn't get sick all winter (delighted). Got 2nd Moderna yesterday. Feels like I was hit with a mack truck this morning, but understand that's my body creating more antibodies. Thank you Dr. Campbell for all the information you have shared over the past year. Half the battle is understanding.
Did you have any long term side effects from the Moderna?
I’m 71 now. Around 2015 my Dr included a vitD test in my annual blood tests and said it was low. He put me on calciferol 50,000iu once a week. 6 months later test showed it had increased but still a bit low so increased to twice a week. It’s been in the high end of range ever since. Two things of note. I’ve suffered from cluster headaches, migraines and tension headaches my whole life. A few years after starting this regimen I realised I hadn’t had a headache of any sort for a few years. Then the penny dropped as some other CH sufferers had discovered the link too. It’s been a life saver to get off the various dangerous meds to alleviate CH such as Sumatriptan. Then I also can’t remember the last time I had a cold or flu. Calciferol in South Africa became hard to get during mid Covid as I found it was being used to treat Covid victims in hospitals. During this 4 month period I took to spending two 30 minute sessions a day in the sun in just shorts mid morning and mid afternoon. And as meds go Calciferol vit D 50,000 is very cheap.
Dr. Campbell, I fully support your views. I am from Bangladesh but do not get as much sun as I should and my D3 level came down to I.5 ng/ml and accompanied with the muscle pains and aches tiredness etc. I took 200,000 IU 6 injections to bring up the level and after few months it again came down to 14.5 ng/ml with the accompanying symptoms. After watching your videos I have started to take 5000 IU on a daily basis and the level is steadily increasing and now hovering in the mid 30s. My point is the hypothesis that was given that low vitamin level in a an individual is suited to that person with his specific gene characteristics is wrong. If it were to be true then I wouldn't have faced those painful symptoms and again when it came down I noticed it from the symptoms and after I intervened with daily dose and the levels gradually went up along with the symptoms. So I fully agree with the school of thought that you are preaching and thank you so much.
Kind regards
Shafquat Matin
Dhaka
Bangladesh
We have all been told to stay out of the sun and eat a low-fat diet. A great formula for Vitamin D deficiency!!
Yes because they want us to get sick, so they can sell us drugs.
And getting fat.
@@richardsandwell2285 or so they can sell you vitamin d tablets! Vitamins and homeopathy is a billion pound industry that plays on peoples worries and uses chemicals from China to 'supplement' what you can get naturally.
@@thebrowns5337 9 euros for 2 years for vitamin D? I think not. Low fat would help a lot of people. Vit D is not to be confused with Big Pharma - who are not interested in people taking enough vitamin D
@@spiral-m Nothing wrong with good saturated fats. It's the carbs people are eating way too much of. Cut those...
Dr Campbell you are so right about the difficulties of money and methology for the clinical studies on vitamin D and other generic drugs/interventions!
I’ve just been diagnosed with severely low vitamin d and have to be on 10,000 to build it back up, gradually decreasing to 4000 alongside vitamin k and magnesium. I’m breaking out in infections all the time, my joints ache, knees, elbows, fingers , my muscles are worn out restless legs, no sleep, severe back and calf cramps. I’ve been so ill I thought I had bone cancer or was developing mnd, as I couldn’t even walk up the stairs, irritable and general feeling of apathy and sadness. I’ve been on it five days and feel so much better already. My sense of humour too is coming back and I’m finding myself laughing at things with my sharp witty mind returning. It’s a miracle drug!
Due to breaking both of my hips 11 years ago I was prescribed vitamin D. I have taken this vitamin regularly and can honestly say that I have never had a cold or any flu symptoms since taking this supplement
How much do you take daily? ☺️
A very interesting chat, I have taken vitamin D for years as I had learnt it would help prevent cancer. Since following these talks with Dr C, I’ve upped the level and personally feel mentally better. I have always taken vit C and zinc and if I’ve ever felt a cold coming on, I’ve doubled the dose and stopped a cold in its tracks. I will continue with all these as well as my perfectly balanced diet with little or no red meat.
Love it when you and Tim chat. My two favourite sources on all things covid 💕
Professionally done discussion. Thank you Dr's both. Helpful information to be sure.
I have pernicious anemia and Mixed Connective Tissue Disease. The Rheumatologist who told me that I had Unspectified and then Mixed- not lupus or sjogrens ( misdiagnosed at 17) and fibro, copd, tested my vit d. I was put on 50,000 ius once a week, until I achieved mid normal.
Now I take B12 and vit d3 daily on my own.
Good morning everyone. Please remember to take your Vitamin D. Thank you. Stay safe 😀
Errrrrrrm OK still taking it he he I think better off with vitimin d than taking it cheers best from Glasgow thanks for the reminder stay safe 👍
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A study of nuclear submariners with Vit D might be worthwhile. They spend 3 months at sea with no natural light.
But they probably have a pretty good diet. Monotonous sure, but good. They're also "self isolating", rather effectively.
Active nudists
@@boring7823 Agree. I wasn't thinking of Covid though. I only served in the old diesel electric but a long period at sea (about 4-6 weeks say) the first thing that I got on getting a bit of sunshine, was a cold sore on my lip. We had a good diet but air quality was pretty poor.
@@esecallum What? You mean submarine crews are Active Nudists? Who knew, but it sounds like fun!
@@markm4880 mm😊😊
Been taking vitamin D since you mentioned it last year. Every morning one vitamin D plus one vitamin C. Had no Covid or colds. From a 78 year old woman.
I don’t take it and I haven’t had a cold or CoVid. I’m 70.
Could be coincidence but I stopped taking 4000iu daily some three weeks ago and I’m in bed with a cold now. Haven’t been ill for over a year of taking it. Im gonna start again.
Same thing happened to a friend of mine. Stopped supplementing and got a cold not too long after.
After a year of taking vitamin D (first 2,000 IU daily, then around October increasing to 4,000) I just got tested yesterday and I’m at 39 mg/dL (
Take it with Vitamin K2 & watch levels go up!
I live in sunny Florida and I’m outside everyday but my vitamin D level was still low so I take 2000 daily. Of course they say not to be out in the sun because you’ll get skin cancer. You can’t win for losing! Thank you Dr John, you’ve kept us all sane throughout this last year. May God bless you.
Good point! When we evolved the ability to make vitamin D from sunlight, few of us lived long enough to develop skin cancer. Now that we are devolving instead, the risk of cancer is greater than the risk of low vitamin D deficiency, for which we don't really need skin absorption anymore, since we can get it in food and supplements
There's a polymorphism or mutation common in Europeans where no matter how much sun they get are still deficient. So getting lots of sun with fair skin is no guarantee.
If you listen to the video it tells you that it's almost impossible to know what low is. Is not like measuring gas in a fuel tank.
I know its crazy, I think WHO actually label the SUN (yes the actual sun, not bad exposure) as carcinogenic. So if we removed the sun it would be all good, lol. But I have seen studies that show good healthy exposure to the sun reduces Cancer ! Vitamin D helps fight it, just done burn !
When i took Vit D tablets my level of Vit D was still low. Then it was suggested i move my swim time from 6 am to 8 or 9 am so i get 2 hours of sun as well as taking a Vit D capsule daily and my Vit D level is in the normal range now. I am not aware of any symtoms when having low Vitamin D levels
The amount I learn from this channel....Many thanks indeed
I So!!! Appreciate two experts that can sit and have a discussion, and in the end not completely agree but walk away as colleagues and friends.
Piddling doses give piddling results in seeking to fail studies. It takes at least 250 mcgs of D3 per day for me to block my colds and influenza from coming each season. A 100 mcgs per day was simply ineffective for me. Healthy serum levels are likely about 50 ng/mL per levels seen in Africans living as animal herders. Even twice that serum level is safe for most. I didn't say all.
Well I have very low vitamin D levels after a recent test and never get colds or flue.. Go figure
Yes, if you look at the studies, the small amount given may as well be a placebo
The Statistical Error in the Estimation of the Recommended Dietary Allowance of Vitamin D
Veugelers and Ekwaru [8], in a correct reanalysis of the data used by the Institute of Medicine, proved that 8895 IU/d are needed for 97.5% of individuals to achieve values ≥50 nmol/L. Heaney et al. [9] confirmed that finding, reporting that 6201 IU/d were needed to achieve the Endocrine Society’s recommendation of 75 nmol/L and 9122 IU/day to reach 100 nmol/L.
@@WildwoodTV yes exactly the blue smurf is trying to dismiss it using indirect methods. just look at his body language
@@esecallum www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4220998/
And 100 nmol is not really so high. As that less than what African herders reach.
Spector is not someone I'd trust after this bit from him.
These guys are about pushing the vaccine and the standard narrative promoted by the oligarchs of the west and autocrats of the east plus all the dancing handmaidens of both i.e. the mainstream media and officials.
Note also life insurance rates haven't gone up. This virus is not a big killer.
I'll stick with my dose of vitamin D3 at 10 000 IU per day or MORE. I know for me 4000 IU is simply too little.
Evening everyone another great discussion about vitimin d it's still vitimin d for me best wishes all from Glasgow scotland stay safe all 👍
GLASGOW IS VERY DANGEROUS PLACE FULL OF DRUNKS AND STABBERS AND JUNKEIES
@@esecallum your mind is full of broken bottles run along troll
@@esecallum still haven't mastered that caps on/off thing yet hey, troll?
@@alan4sure 😂 Alan
I'm a Spina Bifida baby (SB meningocele) my spine and cord and I was operated on at four months old, I also have Talipies resulting from the operation, on my right foot...I was one of the lucky ones and led a perfectly normal life and even went on to have four children. I now take Vitd3 and VitK2 and have a VitB12 shot every three months...I had my first in December because of severe anaemia, following the loading dose...Although I am now disabled (I can't stand for long nor walk far) I really feel very good, I wake up around 7am, which before I could sleep all day lol😂 I now take VitD3 4,000iu100 micrograms od and K2 100 micrograms od, after warching one of your shows discussing vitamins. And I must say I feel so much better and my Haemaglobin is almost back to normal...😁
Thank you Dr Campbell and Professor Spector for this excellent discussion on vitamin D and the immune system, which also touches on lots of other health & nutrition issues.
I moved to Alaska in 1999. By 2002 I began suffering from severe migraines only in the winters. Unfortunately it took me til 2015 till I started taking high doses of Vit. D on a whim hoping for help with the headaches. I don’t get migraines anymore. Not saying this is for everyone but it gave me my life back and I was ahead of the game when COVID hit with regard to Vit. D. I didn’t catch COVID and am now fully vaccinated.
Vitamin D, vitamin K2, vitamin C, and Zinc plus a prebiotic/probiotic and a lot of fruits and vegetables. That's my daily routine.
Very similar regime here. I make sure my family have 5-8 different fruit or veg portions a day (mostly veg as were not great fruit lovers) and aim for 20 different fruits and veg over the week. Add to that the regular use of garlic, a variety of herbs (both fresh and dried), ginger, turmeric, paprika, nutmeg, cumin and other spices, plus nuts and seeds, I’m pretty sure we hit well over 30 different items a week.
Where I’m struggling is the probiotics - I love sauerkraut (my mum’s German) but I’ve yet to get the rest of the family eating it.
Very good list, but I would add Fish oils/omega 3s to that list
2 professional minds meeting, respectful discussion, not agreeing on everything, know that more work is required. How mature and refreshing compared to the SHOUTING that occurs. Excellent, thank you gentlemen.
Such an interesting discussion and very informative. Thanks again you two
What does Professor Spector think of the University of Cordoba (Spain) Hospital study, published Sept. 2020 and the later follow up which showed 100% success for Covid-19 patients?
Oh yes d Lewis I forgot about that great point you posted 👍 best from Glasgow scotland stay safe 👍
'Vitamin D Mitigates COVID-19, Say 40+ Patient Studies (listed below)
.. Vitamin D reduces COVID-19; infection; severity; ICU admission and mortality: as clearly evidenced by; immune biology, observational and interventional studies, and wider considerations of; latitude, seasonal UVB exposure, and national supplementation policies: the uncertainty is the quantum: but studies suggest ‘D’ effects are likely large - 50% less infectivity - multiples lower ICU and mortality rate.' BMJ Oct 2020.
40+ -1 retracted still makes about twice amount that was reviewed in the 2nd influenza - Vit D meta study.
@@ericpenrose3541 thanks Eric for your post it is good reading best from Glasgow scotland stay safe 👍
@Auld Lang Syne Are you sure you are talking about the same study? Dr. Campbell was not very precise in naming it, and there have been *several* studies from Spain. Google ""spain covid vitamin d cordoba" to see two different hospitals mentioned as running studies and google ""spain covid vitamin d barcelona" to set yet *more* Spanish studies.
@Auld Lang Syne This one hasn't, so far as I can tell. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7456194/ - different authors from the one that was withdrawn. It's a smaller patient group, too.
Only from personal experience, I've only had 1 bad cold in the 3 years since taking vit d and I was working with 60 5yrs old kids. I think I've done pretty well as most people get a lot of colds when they first start working with children...
When I first started teaching, I caught a few colds, but then I started taking vitamin C high doses...I went ten years without catching a cold or flu.
Been taking the magic 4, vitamin D3, C, Zinc, and Echnicea everyday for 27 years of being an over the road truck driver, only maybe 4 times i felt an infection starting. I increased frequency of the magic 4, and within a day whatever was starting was gone.
@@joejackson6205 Every immune system, and the environment it contends with, is different. I taught high school for 30 years, took lots of Vit C and other supplements daily, had a healthy diet and lifestyle, and still averaged 2-3 very bad upper-respiratory infections per year that lasted at least a week and often much longer. I attribute this to teaching in an area with a large immigrant population that frequently flies back to their home countries throughout the year (not just on school holidays). International air travel is responsible for the spread of Covid, and now the "VOC's", yet the passenger planes keep flying.
@@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry i agree international travel is the number 1 method of spreading pathogens, air, sea, or land. I remember reading a virolist interview saying airplanes were the perfect iccubators for human pathogens. Personally, though i believe immigration should be generous, the worst thing Ted Kennedy did to America was the the immigration reform act of 1968, that eleiminatef health screening before coming into the country, even on a tourist visa. I also agree that we all react differently to pathogens. My point though is taking all 4 of the magic 4 daily. Not in mega doses, that causes problems in some people. But daily in moderate to slightly more doses, from trusted manufacturers. Since, you taught in a heavy latin immigration area, have you ever been tested for tuberculosis? I know the magic 4 though being great at managing viral infections, are not so good at bactetial infections. I admit tuberculosis, leprosy and other such infections do require specialised antibiotics. And on the air travel thing, be prepared for an uptick in polio, the big pocket left of polio being in Afghanistan, and those people are starting to get mobile. Just a heads up.
Wise words from Mr Spector. As a long time supplement enthusiast, I am slowly realizing it can have its unhealthy side & better to focus on food. For example, I now eat Natto regularly, instead of taking a vitamin K supplement.
It's in the name really .supplement. shouldn't 3ber be the first thing to do. Attempt to correct any deficiency naturally...then use supplements. Sadly everyone wants the quick fix these days. And we've been groomed by pharma to believe pills are just fine.
Prior to 2020 I would get cold sores twice a year regularly coming into and out of winter.
Started taking vitamin D, April 2020, and I haven't had a cold sore since.
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Conclusion
Parachute use compared with a backpack control did not reduce death or major traumatic injury when used by participants jumping from aircraft in this first randomized evaluation of the intervention. This largely resulted from our ability to only recruit participants jumping from stationary aircraft on the ground. When beliefs regarding the effectiveness of an intervention exist in the community, randomized trials evaluating their effectiveness could selectively enroll individuals with a lower likelihood of benefit, thereby diminishing the applicability of trial results to routine practice. Therefore, although we can confidently recommend that individuals jumping from small stationary aircraft on the ground do not require parachutes, individual judgment should be exercised when applying these findings at higher altitudes.
What is already known on this topic
Parachutes are routinely used to prevent death or major traumatic injury among individuals jumping from aircraft, but their efficacy is based primarily on biological plausibility and expert opinion
No randomized controlled trials of parachute use have yet been attempted, presumably owing to a lack of equipoise
What this study adds
This randomized trial of parachute use found no reduction in death or major injury compared with individuals jumping from aircraft with an empty backpack
Lack of enrolment of individuals at high risk could have influenced the results of the trial
@Albert Clarke THE RCT PROVED PARACHUTES DO NOT SAVE LIVES AND NO PROOF THEY SAVE ANYONE
f'ing brilliant!
There is little debate over the benefits of Vitamin D for overall health and for disease prevention. The promotion of pharmaceuticals over prevention, healthy diet and lifestyle will never end! An emphasis on prevention over treatment is key.
NO MONEY IN IT.
Amen
You both most live in USA?
@@colincampbell4261 yes I live in texas and I have a texan hat
Two great guys and honest men. Respect & thanks for sharing.
I have various chronic conditions that affect my abilities to get around and do normal things.
For roughly 5 years, I had the flu vaccine, and then spent those winters with one cold, flu, and chest infection, after another.
At least once or twice a year I would have pains all over, coughing up blood, and was hardly able to even get to the bathroom and the kitchen each day.
In 2010 I stopped having the flu vaccine and started taking Vitamin D. I've not had a serious cold or flu since then! And only had 4, very mild colds. In 12 years!
There is no doubt in my mind that vaccines do not assist my immune system at all - whilst Vitamin D has greatly improved the quality of my life, especially in winter.
I'm not suggesting the same would be true for you, but can only pass on my own experience.
What I took from this :
no harm in taking my vitamin D
keep going with what I already know is a healthy lifestyle, such as a varied diet and exercise.
I think the talk between these two knowledge gents was very helpful. Thank you.
Wrong - there was absolutely no discussion of possible harm, and there should have been. You can find lots of evidence for harm if you look for videos on this - and a lot of claims that high vitamin D can cause calcium deposition in blood vessels and heart, but that taking adequate Vitamin K2 stops this and ensures that calcium goes to bone and not to soft tissues.
@@lindosland absolutely can attest to this... because naively thought it was safe until my arterial calcium rose. I have thankfully reduced it with k2 ... but I wonder how many people are taking it and loading up their arteries!
@@ktktktktktkt How did you know that this was happening? Most people have no way of knowing.
I have IBS which I developed in the past few years. So the healthy foods I did eat, I can no longer eat without causing serious problems. I had my Doctor test me, and my Vitamin D level was low according to the current scale. So I will continue to take vitamin D in winter. As long as I don't take what is considered too much, I believe it can't hurt, and may help. Until I get better information.
About 15,000 iu per day is getting up to a level that could be harmful, for normal people.
🙏much respect for the dignity & respect to audience in Dr John in how he manages this conversation - thank you 🌟 when the professor Spector says ‘it’s too complicated to explain’ displays exactly what he thinks of the audience, btw when prof Spector says he sees as only ‘1 in 100 needing Vit D supplements’ is still quite substantial section of the population who need to supplement with Vit D.
Honest debate is so so refreshing - thank you both of you for this
"trip to the sunshine as soon as I can in the Northern England"!!!!! Thank you for this interesting debate! I´ll continue taking my vitamin D (with K2 and magnesium), having the serum levels supervised though and also (as always) doing my best to have a very healthy diet.
I try and avoid the North of England for the sun it just get too hot 😂 😂 😂 il stay 100 miles more north just to be on the safe side 😂 😂 😂 best wishes from Glasgow scotland 👍
@@wboyle9721 Great idea!!!!! Beautiful place by the way :-). Greetings from Milan
@@mj-ev8hu best petra to you in Milan stay safe 👍 that's me being witty as our sun is not to hot 😂 best to Italy 🇮🇹
@@wboyle9721 I get it, my mom´s in Sweden, kind of similar, less present sun. Here we´re spoiled and complain about the heat (sometimes)!
@@mj-ev8hu yes petra Sweden is a same kind of weather as scotland our summers if its a good day average about 22c sometime warmer in heatwaves it can go to about 32celcuis we are not used to the heat in Scotland I prefer temps about 20celcuis as I work outdoors not to hot or not too cold thanks for your reply stay safe 👍
The Zoe App never asked me what level of Vitamin D I took in their study and whether I had been tested.
I'm saying this as someone who was diagnosed as severely deficient over a decade ago, worked with my GPs to take the right doseage for me and was told to ensure I have a vitamin D test at least once per year. Oh and the NHS won't pay for the tests...
That was my reaction when Tim mentioned that. I too have been using the Zoe Ap for months for myself and my children and have never been asked re Vit D
Me too
See... This!!!
This is why I get so frustrated at the medical establishment when they cherry pick their data to suit their narrative.
Peace and Love,
j
I was disappointed Dr. Campbell didn't ask how much vit D people using the Zoe app were taking.
@@criticalthought7527 I agree. I don't trust Dr S at all. Blindingly obvious to find out about Vit D levels via the Zoe App. Why not? Because hexwas told NOT too.
One man is listening and enquiring, willing to learn, while the other has a closed mind.
Great discussion. I am taking 10, 000 IU of D3 and 200mg of K2 and keeping with it for the winter. Rather have a higher level of D3 than a lower level.
What do you propose to do during summer as summer can be hit and miss with decent daily sunshine?
The Cordoba trial may have been small, but the results were too black and white to be dismissed. Of 50 patients treated with calcifediol one required ICU and none died; of the 26 patients not treated with calcifediol, 13 required ICU and two died. I'm recently signed up to 'Zoe', but it has never asked for my (high) vitamin D blood level.
All I know is that in all probability I was low in Vat D and since starting to take 8000iu/day, neither my wife nor I have had as much as a sniffle. It could be, of course, that this would be a consequence of social distancing and basically no socialising, plus the use of marks during the past year or longer. However I'll keep on going with supplementary VitD, K2, zinc and some magnesium for the foreseeable future. There's no downside at the level I use apart from to my pocket and really, it is quite cheap.
I am so appreciative of the friendly, respectful discussion. It has become so rare to see anyone willing to disagree with others without rage. Thank you to both of you for calmly presenting two completely opposite sides of the issue!!!
Thank you, both. Very interesting discussion. I do take vitamin D, regularly in winter, but I’m trying to improve my diet as well, and found Prof Spector’s book very helpful. I follow both of you and do the Zoe app.