We have just been through a period here in the UK where the Government defined normal church gatherings as non-essential and thereby closed Christian worship upon that basis. When churches were allowed periods of physical attendance, certain key practices such as singing, socialising and communion were also deemed illegal/unhygenic. The response of the church? Most closed willingly, and some it appears had even requested such action, so large numbers of attendees have been without actual fellowship for most of this year - a condition set to continue into 2021. The premise raised constantly is Romans 13, but is such compliance really what's applicable for right now, or should believers be rejecting such rulings?
It isn't true that Jesus was only passive and meek. When he saw abuse and injustice by the money changers in the temple he took a whip to them and turned over their tables. When he confronted the ruling elites of his day he exchanged some harsh words with tjem about the oppression they were weighing people down with. Love is meek when it needs to be meek and harsh when it needs to be harsh.
I'm not trying to be a troll, but I've often wondered- just as a mental exercise- what Gods position was on our Founding Fathers and their break with England. In the Holy Scriptures its clear God ordained governments and even install kings. Its kinda an interesting question. King George III was not demanding people worship a statue of him. Really the whole thing boiled down to who had a right to govern the colonies, Parliment or the colonies themselves. I wouldn't get TOO off on this subject, but it is a fun topic!😀
You make a great point, but I think that leads us God's sovereignty over all things. Man is responsible for his sin but God can use the sin of man for his purpose. America didn't happen by accident, it happened because God is sovereign.
This is not true. King George was forcing people to worship his church. Anyone who did not was persecuted. The American Revolution was as much about religious freedom as it was about taxation without representation. That is exactly what the First Amendment is about. Freedom to worship the God of the Bible without the government telling you how to interperate the scriptures. This is followed by the Second Amendment in which it was recognised that without the threat of physical force, tyrany will develop. It's disappointing to see this ignored in this brief video. America is different. We are not yet oppressed and enslaved (some in California may disagree). If we do not stand up, we will be.
Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah did not engage in "civil disobedience"; Nebuchadnezzar the king had absolutely no power or authority to command the conscience. Every man is free to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience. Nebuchadnezzar crossed the line of his authority as a civil ruler, and that being the case, such a command was null and void. Therefore there could not have been any "civil disobedience". We are to obey civil government insofar as such obedience is consistent with the Law of God. We ought to obey God, rather than man.
Wow, I was reading some of these posts and some well grounded believers have responded, but I'm seeing people who have been deceived by doctrines of demons and believing lies of the enemy. It IS clear that too many have fallen away and do not seek the truth or love the truth and have abandoned the sound teachings of the old and new testament. Too many have not been taught in the word as a foundation and are casting out the old testament as no longer applicable. That is a lie from the enemy of the word of God. Do these people realize that when Jesus and the disciples were teaching THERE WAS NO NEW TESTAMENT? Surely many have been led astray.
Non Christians are also held accountable for lack of love so let’s not exclude them of that responsibility or claim that our love is more accountable. Actions will be held accountable regardless of claims of religion. I suppose one question this has raised is what happens if no one who shows love never hears about Jesus Christ. I suppose there is a system in place for someone who does not have access to scripture to understand and know who Jesus is. If they have no opportunity to know him and go to hell how could that be an equal offering of forgivness. On side note: this reveals the importance of sharing the gospel. Back on topic: God can’t be a worse judge than us. So if anyone knows the system or think there is none let me know and why.
Will you pleeease show me in the bible where is says we are required to obey a thief ??!! A uniform gun and badge is not a license to rob PEACEFUL INNOCENT PEOPLE of their rightful property. Hello Gun Confiscation. (Proverbs 17:15 Proverbs 25:26, and Isaiah 5:20 Romans 13:3,4,5)
When there is a conflict between the requirements of a civil authority and God's word, Dr. Hall provides instances from Daniel where the civil authority was not heeded. There was obedience to God's word. But there was disobedience to the civil authorities. It is certainly the case that Nebuchadnezzar should NOT have required worship. No question. But, in obeying God, the civil law was certainly DIS-obeyed.
your correct.. but if we diissobey civil law it should only be because we seek to honor and obey God and for no other reason. like disobeying tyranny for the purpose of honoring Gods ways. but some in these days want to dissobey civil law just to make there own laws without God in mind.. thatts the two differences
@@dougmanley4714 Not if you're a Christian. We are not under the law. You have put yourself under the whole law: "For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law" (Gal 5:3). Best of luck with that. Really.
@@paul3441 He came not to destroy the law but to fulfill it. The Old Testament is still an extremely valuable part of Scripture for Christians and while we do not practice the ceremonial law we very much should strive to live up to and be guided by the moral law. ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God, not just the New Teastament.
We have just been through a period here in the UK where the Government defined normal church gatherings as non-essential and thereby closed Christian worship upon that basis. When churches were allowed periods of physical attendance, certain key practices such as singing, socialising and communion were also deemed illegal/unhygenic. The response of the church? Most closed willingly, and some it appears had even requested such action, so large numbers of attendees have been without actual fellowship for most of this year - a condition set to continue into 2021. The premise raised constantly is Romans 13, but is such compliance really what's applicable for right now, or should believers be rejecting such rulings?
Hierarchy of authority.
Must remember that.
Thanks for the insight.
We should obey the law so long as it is not contrary to God’s law. When it is contrary to God’s law we must be non-violently disobedient.
When they are trying to replace God with govt. It's a must. And I'm afraid it may be coming or is already hear.
Yes! Lord guide our steps and words. May we honor you in all we do as we seek justice, love mercy and walk humbly with our God.
It isn't true that Jesus was only passive and meek. When he saw abuse and injustice by the money changers in the temple he took a whip to them and turned over their tables. When he confronted the ruling elites of his day he exchanged some harsh words with tjem about the oppression they were weighing people down with. Love is meek when it needs to be meek and harsh when it needs to be harsh.
We have an over abundance of “harsh” love these days and Christians need to better emulate the meek love that was far more common in the early Church.
this is a great video man
I'm not trying to be a troll, but I've often wondered- just as a mental exercise- what Gods position was on our Founding Fathers and their break with England. In the Holy Scriptures its clear God ordained governments and even install kings.
Its kinda an interesting question. King George III was not demanding people worship a statue of him. Really the whole thing boiled down to who had a right to govern the colonies, Parliment or the colonies themselves. I wouldn't get TOO off on this subject, but it is a fun topic!😀
You make a great point, but I think that leads us God's sovereignty over all things. Man is responsible for his sin but God can use the sin of man for his purpose. America didn't happen by accident, it happened because God is sovereign.
@@theologicallyreformedminis7655 Agreed!
This is not true. King George was forcing people to worship his church. Anyone who did not was persecuted. The American Revolution was as much about religious freedom as it was about taxation without representation. That is exactly what the First Amendment is about. Freedom to worship the God of the Bible without the government telling you how to interperate the scriptures. This is followed by the Second Amendment in which it was recognised that without the threat of physical force, tyrany will develop. It's disappointing to see this ignored in this brief video. America is different. We are not yet oppressed and enslaved (some in California may disagree). If we do not stand up, we will be.
Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah did not engage in "civil disobedience"; Nebuchadnezzar the king had absolutely no power or authority to command the conscience. Every man is free to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience. Nebuchadnezzar crossed the line of his authority as a civil ruler, and that being the case, such a command was null and void. Therefore there could not have been any "civil disobedience". We are to obey civil government insofar as such obedience is consistent with the Law of God. We ought to obey God, rather than man.
Wow, I was reading some of these posts and some well grounded believers have responded, but I'm seeing people who have been deceived by doctrines of demons and believing lies of the enemy. It IS clear that too many have fallen away and do not seek the truth or love the truth and have abandoned the sound teachings of the old and new testament. Too many have not been taught in the word as a foundation and are casting out the old testament as no longer applicable. That is a lie from the enemy of the word of God. Do these people realize that when Jesus and the disciples were teaching THERE WAS NO NEW TESTAMENT? Surely many have been led astray.
Thank you
Non Christians are also held accountable for lack of love so let’s not exclude them of that responsibility or claim that our love is more accountable. Actions will be held accountable regardless of claims of religion. I suppose one question this has raised is what happens if no one who shows love never hears about Jesus Christ. I suppose there is a system in place for someone who does not have access to scripture to understand and know who Jesus is. If they have no opportunity to know him and go to hell how could that be an equal offering of forgivness. On side note: this reveals the importance of sharing the gospel. Back on topic: God can’t be a worse judge than us. So if anyone knows the system or think there is none let me know and why.
Side note: job 38
Will you pleeease show me in the bible where is says we are required to obey a thief ??!! A uniform gun and badge is not a license to rob PEACEFUL INNOCENT PEOPLE of their rightful property. Hello Gun Confiscation. (Proverbs 17:15 Proverbs 25:26, and Isaiah 5:20 Romans 13:3,4,5)
Excellente Point. Well Said.
But what about Romans 13?
Nothing.
What about it? We are to obey the gov't within its sphere of authority, unless it commands what God forbids or forbids what God commands.
i dont call obeying Gods word civil disobediance..
When there is a conflict between the requirements of a civil authority and God's word, Dr. Hall provides instances from Daniel where the civil authority was not heeded. There was obedience to God's word. But there was disobedience to the civil authorities. It is certainly the case that Nebuchadnezzar should NOT have required worship. No question. But, in obeying God, the civil law was certainly DIS-obeyed.
your correct.. but if we diissobey civil law it should only be because we seek to honor and obey God and for no other reason. like disobeying tyranny for the purpose of honoring Gods ways. but some in these days want to dissobey civil law just to make there own laws without God in mind.. thatts the two differences
This guy is eel wriggling
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News flash: The Old Testament no longer applies.
ALL SCRIPTURES STILL APPLY , AMEN 🙏
@@dougmanley4714 Not if you're a Christian. We are not under the law. You have put yourself under the whole law: "For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law" (Gal 5:3). Best of luck with that. Really.
@@paul3441 I , HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE EVEN TALKING ABOUT PAUL !
@@dougmanley4714 Search these things out in the scriptures. You don't have an ear to hear me. Study to show yourself approved. God bless.
@@paul3441 He came not to destroy the law but to fulfill it. The Old Testament is still an extremely valuable part of Scripture for Christians and while we do not practice the ceremonial law we very much should strive to live up to and be guided by the moral law. ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God, not just the New Teastament.