EASIEST Method Ever For Making Gable Roof Rafters Without Complicated Math Formulas

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  • @frankgrammatico3827
    @frankgrammatico3827 4 роки тому +157

    Been involved in construction for several decades. Also taught the subject. Read many books and believed in simplicity. I must say that this is one of the best videos I have ever seen. Basic, simplistic and easy to understand. Kudos to you sir. You should be teaching in an Apprentice school. Absolutely great job. Beautifully illustrated. Thank you. A joy to watch.

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  4 роки тому +13

      I never get tired of comments like yours and sincerely appreciate reading them.

    • @christinerameau885
      @christinerameau885 3 роки тому

      I am new to construction, and I am builing a 12 x 16 shed. Why is there not a video with simple plans for a 12 x 16 simple 2 x 6 rafters joined with a gusset so iIdon't have to fiques out the math?

    • @2nickles647
      @2nickles647 3 роки тому +7

      @@christinerameau885 you can order a complete 12 x 16 shed as a kit. No math. Just read the plans and nail it together. But if do not want order a kit. Then Math is necessary to measure and build it.

    • @eliguaso22
      @eliguaso22 2 роки тому +2

      @@christinerameau885 There is. Bushradical have amazing videos on small tiny cabins. I got the enough motivation from him and his wife.

    • @ziggypetrovic7620
      @ziggypetrovic7620 Рік тому

      This is an excellent introduction to the construction of a roof, clear, concise and easy to understand. It explains the angles & geometry of the build and the reason it works the way it does. A superb example of how to teach. Well done that man.

  • @woodchuck1800
    @woodchuck1800 Рік тому +9

    I'm building a 600 square foot shop- and know nothing about roof rafters or how to design them, i have wached about 15 you tubes on the subject all say the same thing, follow these very simple math equations and you will know how to cut a roof rafter, well i say to them bull hunky. i was starting to pull out what small amount of hair from my head that i have left when i said i will try this vid but it's the last one before i call in a professional. Thank you thank you thank you. i finally get it and i feel very confident now that i can do this. the world needs more teachers like you,

  • @jjnini9754
    @jjnini9754 11 місяців тому +21

    Finally a roof raft video I understood for this C- math student! Thank you!

  • @andrewnewby1918
    @andrewnewby1918 Рік тому +13

    This is probably the best video I’ve watched describing how to create a pitched roof for those not familiar with construction methods. Simple, well explained and easy to follow. Well done and thank you 😊 👍

  • @kevinthigpen8652
    @kevinthigpen8652 3 роки тому +6

    I am not an experienced Carpenter however I do have some basic carpentry skills. I am in the planning process of building my own off grid house and was extremely confused and a little bit scared about building the rafters because of the complicated way everyone explains them. I feel like after watching your video I now have the confidence and understanding I need to successfully complete the task of putting up rafters. Thank you very much for the wonderful way you have taught this process through this video. Please keep up the good work and I will be subscribing

  • @KG6AFF
    @KG6AFF 10 місяців тому

    GREAT !!!
    I love how simple it can be made, ...
    leaving all those whom invest tons of money into tools out to dry...
    meaning... it's not as important to have all the fancy tools as one might think... just need saws, pythogaerom theorem, calculator pencil, paper or something to write on like wood to make note and marks and measuring tape, maybe chalk line... (clear water hose ends with fluid in them for leveling) ... that is all you need, and most important IDEA of what you want to do and how to do it studying these youtube videos really helps, one really has giant advantage that all the previous generations of builders never had... youtube is a coach is like having GPS maps in your car is helpful to all whom previously used paper maps and counting freeway exits to your destination for turn off connecting roads on the way to somewhere else... love youtube and everyone taking the time to teach, many many thanks!
    -tibor

  • @scotseitz2641
    @scotseitz2641 3 роки тому +23

    I appreciate the detailed way you describe the "math" and the layout concepts. Don't change the way you are presenting your content. You method "cemented" the concept into my mind so well that I doubt I will ever forget it or need a review. My next stop is your link for more helpful videos. I am a fan.

  • @earlsmith2931
    @earlsmith2931 3 роки тому +15

    This is he easiest i've seen for cutting roof rafters good job.

  • @raymondmotyka3676
    @raymondmotyka3676 5 місяців тому +1

    This is a hands-on easy-to-use way to make rafters without all the math problems. It is a hassle free way to measure your angle & rise by eye. Any & all variations will work . This is a down to earth method. Great for the weekend carpenter, great job on your instruction. Thanks

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  5 місяців тому

      You're very welcome!

  • @armoris66
    @armoris66 4 роки тому +2

    The BEST, SIMPLEST, EXCELLENTLY PRESENTED guide to shed rafter layout on the Tube. Watched this a couple of times now and provided you make sure you are working from a square base, is fool proof. 👍🏾👍🏾

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  4 роки тому +1

      Square foundation make everything easier and glad you learned something new.

  • @rustonhpd
    @rustonhpd 2 роки тому

    Thanks!

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  2 роки тому

      Now that's gratitude and you're welcome.

  • @jackpalmer5067
    @jackpalmer5067 Місяць тому +1

    I haven't done this in 30 years, wish i done this method back then. Thank you so much, As I'm building my home. Great video

  • @fuzzyfultz
    @fuzzyfultz 3 роки тому +8

    Awesome, thank you Sir. Never in my 57 yrs have I heard anyone explain this in such a simple way. You have made it so easy. Thank you again.

  • @paulineturpin7086
    @paulineturpin7086 Рік тому

    I have no experience in building anything. I decided to build a greenhouse to protect my plants from the freezing weather this winter. I was having trouble figuring out how I would make my roof. Your video has helped me figure out what to do to get a stable roof and how to cut my angle at the top. Thank you for making it so easy. Don't change your videos. I'm attaching to my house and using 2 x2 x8 boards and plastic to cover the roof and sides. Nothing is level or at right angles. Fun projects! Thank you.

  • @zelatroid
    @zelatroid 3 місяці тому

    I have to say that this video explained pretty much everything i needed to know about roofing and how to build one from start to finish. I've tried other videos but all they did was explain one part with out the other or they didn't include the small details such as adding the distance of the run and rise ALONG side with the base foundation. That is what made it make more sense to me in a way that it was so simple i couldn't believe i did some sample roofs of my own. Thank you kind sir!!

  • @crowolf65
    @crowolf65 4 роки тому +65

    Brilliant. The ability to convey an understanding in the simplest way possible is a mark of brilliance. Beautifully done.

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  4 роки тому +3

      Glad it was helpful and thanks for the always welcome kind words.

    • @scottwilson9817
      @scottwilson9817 3 роки тому

      Love it best video im seen

    • @rodneyrhone2391
      @rodneyrhone2391 3 роки тому

      Thank you, that was very helpful

  • @ashleam1489
    @ashleam1489 3 роки тому +6

    Finally, a way to understand how to do this! I'm mathmatically challenged so this was soooo helpful. Thank you.

  • @TrainFlood
    @TrainFlood Місяць тому

    Truly the best (most intuitive, well structured, easy to follow) tutorial on rafters I've seen... and I've seen far too many before arriving at this, the last one I'll watch.

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  Місяць тому

      Awesome, I'm so happy you like it!

  • @Lantern1100
    @Lantern1100 4 роки тому +8

    I have been wanting to build my own work shed for about a year now. After watching this I can say I feel very confident about going through with it. Thank you for your video.

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  4 роки тому +2

      That sounds awesome and good luck on your project.

  • @ginozanga2129
    @ginozanga2129 2 роки тому +2

    This has been the most simplest way to do trusses I’ve seen for preparation of building my 10x12 shed….ty

  • @YoItsCalos
    @YoItsCalos 10 місяців тому

    been watching rafter videos for days now trying to understand it because I'm planning to do a roof by myself. This is the only video so far that didn't lost me in all the difficult mathematical steps.

  • @kurthamblin598
    @kurthamblin598 2 роки тому +2

    Great video. The explanation goes right down to the layman.

  • @Pk-kp7sn
    @Pk-kp7sn Рік тому +1

    This makes all the sense in the world to me. Thanks so much!

  • @LTDan-pk3mx
    @LTDan-pk3mx Рік тому

    Amen! I read through most of the comments so I will echo most of what's already been said.. After investing in a "Calculated Industries Magical Calculator" (and getting even more confused) This method and the way its explained is certainly in the top 1 percent!! Now going forward it will so simple.. Thank you for your teaching! I totally believe Jesus would give you two thumbs up!! Subscribed

  • @ProjectWoke
    @ProjectWoke 11 місяців тому

    Soon I am starting the shed project. I wanted to do gable roof. Have been watching a lot of videos and this one made everything crystal clear and made it easy❤

  • @Manny-mq8gm
    @Manny-mq8gm Рік тому +1

    Excellent easy to understand explanation of rafter basics

  • @douglasharper7287
    @douglasharper7287 Рік тому

    I was kinda confused as a novice carpenter but helped me out and explained it well so now I’m good and understand.. thanks

  • @Godsend2024
    @Godsend2024 11 місяців тому

    Wow!! I have been studying books and watching videos on how to make roof rafters and this by far was the best method. Thank you so much!

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  11 місяців тому +1

      You're very welcome!

  • @UpperSkyDJ
    @UpperSkyDJ 4 роки тому +12

    Thanks for taking the time to share your simple rafter knowledge.

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  4 роки тому

      You're welcome and keep learning.

  • @RFF308
    @RFF308 Рік тому

    Excellent video! Nothing is too lengthy, very clear, practical, and useful. Math works the same way, but practically only easy if using the metric and decimal system, and no mistakes are made when marking the lumber. This makes it faster, isolates you from the material's dimensional inconsistencies, and inspires confidence.
    Superb, thank you!!!

  • @mdsloads
    @mdsloads 2 місяці тому

    By far looks like the simplest instruction I’ve seen so far. I will use this soon. Thanks.

  • @MiguelTorres-er9zw
    @MiguelTorres-er9zw 3 роки тому

    As a new carpenter for 5 years I can say you're a life saver making things less complicated and simple thansk

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  3 роки тому

      You're welcome and keep learning.

  • @OldPain2GoStevenBlake
    @OldPain2GoStevenBlake 3 роки тому +9

    I love it when people make it clear and simple - you did!

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  3 роки тому +1

      Glad to help and thank for letting us know you love it.

  • @christrites4251
    @christrites4251 3 місяці тому

    That's a fantastic idea. I've been using the speed square and Pythagorean theory all this time. Luckily, I'm in the middle of another build and just have the floor down, so the timing is great. I'm going to use this, Thx!

  • @marcofonseca2519
    @marcofonseca2519 3 роки тому

    Liked very mutch. Finally someone was an convicent explaining.

  • @rl4you369
    @rl4you369 7 місяців тому +1

    Very few people could explain in a simple way thank you nice

  • @ginozanga2129
    @ginozanga2129 2 роки тому

    I used your method to build make the trusses for my shed. By far this was the easiest method from all the others I’ve seen on you tube. Writing out mathematical equations like others are showing is a waste of time. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! Just taking the roof pitch and multiply it by half the width of my shed it took me 5 minutes….

    • @Deepinyogirl
      @Deepinyogirl Рік тому

      Nah papa you want to use math it’s the correct way .

    • @ginozanga2129
      @ginozanga2129 Рік тому

      @@Deepinyogirl used this method and my trusses for my shed came out perfect.

  • @Good-Citizen
    @Good-Citizen Рік тому +1

    I think your videos are very informative. Thanks amigo.

  • @Jeremy-lo6gk
    @Jeremy-lo6gk Рік тому +1

    Wish Id seen this before I built my project very good job explaining thx.

  • @trade0714
    @trade0714 Рік тому

    Did I like this video? Oh hell ya! The simplicity of this method is astonishing.

  • @dariend6368
    @dariend6368 3 роки тому

    I'm certainly not trash talking your method, i love the simplicity of your method. I'm thinking that if i showed this to the framing foreman, he'd say just frame the walls up and do it the way we always do it!!! Your slowing down production, time is money!!!

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  3 роки тому

      Definitely not for production framing.

    • @joejakubec9708
      @joejakubec9708 3 роки тому

      Darien D. Time is not money to everyone. Think beyond your own situation. It shouldn't be to difficult for you.

  • @clem95627
    @clem95627 2 роки тому +1

    Great explanation of the rafter process.

  • @mikegrigoriadis9484
    @mikegrigoriadis9484 3 роки тому

    Man! there's always someone that doesnt overthink things and you are the man!!!! Thanks!

  • @JoshuaCumbow-lz4uw
    @JoshuaCumbow-lz4uw 10 місяців тому

    Dude I’ve never bother to comment ever before! So that should speak volumes I’ve been pondering how to make this type of roof for my kitty house before I try a building thank you so much made perfect sense & cannot wait till daylight comes to start building

  • @edgaulden2324
    @edgaulden2324 Рік тому +1

    makes sense!! But will need to watch it a few more times. Thank you!

  • @dougstewart3546
    @dougstewart3546 4 роки тому +9

    Brilliant video, Greg! Thanks for taking the time and providing your expertise to us.

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  4 роки тому

      As always, thanks for the kind words.

  • @sescher4487
    @sescher4487 Рік тому +1

    Dude, what? Super smart. Great idea.

  • @gregmonz697
    @gregmonz697 Рік тому

    Thanks for that , now I get it . Been pounding my head with all these other videos doing all this math . Your way is so simple and easy . thanks again . Greg

  • @crr2762
    @crr2762 2 роки тому

    Finally. I found what I needed to be able to build my shed rafters. Thank you very much. New sub.

  • @adamlantsbery6477
    @adamlantsbery6477 4 роки тому +2

    Education without overthinking. Great video. Thanks 😊 🙏

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  4 роки тому

      Keeping it simple, you're welcome and thanks for letting us know you like the video.

  • @olgavictorovnadeleon5180
    @olgavictorovnadeleon5180 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for the tutorial. Very simple and easy to understand. Unfortunately I checked your video after I installed the walls of 😊my shed but I was able to laid my rafters in my garage.

  • @georgeomalley6066
    @georgeomalley6066 2 роки тому

    ♥️ The Method, Great for the younger generation for Quick checking their layout

  • @lurgenbagaipo1522
    @lurgenbagaipo1522 3 роки тому

    Simple way just right for me. No complicated math needed. Good job sir!!!

  • @IRV707
    @IRV707 Рік тому

    Keep keep keep putting information please! if the video is too long we can always fast forward! Your videos are very educational keep them coming!!! Thank you sir!

  • @Bluecollar711
    @Bluecollar711 4 роки тому +3

    I can tell you right now I love the video and the longer I would choose to watch due to the fact it's more information that you're going to be able to teach me I'm 50 years old but in this industry since I was 17 years old I know mostly everything that there is to know except brilliant ways like this following the rules of carpentry makes this one of the most efficient ways I've ever seen in my life thank you very much for taking the time and educating me I can't wait to see what you have next

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  4 роки тому

      What an awesome compliment and I myself started full time when I was 17.

  • @jonblade51
    @jonblade51 4 роки тому +5

    Way to go. Forget the fancy maths. Just snap some lines down and see it on the low down first.
    Great idea.

  • @mikebranstetter6982
    @mikebranstetter6982 3 роки тому

    After doing the "math" I took your advice and laid it out on the driveway. Worked PERFECT. Thanks

  • @wilko3034
    @wilko3034 7 місяців тому +1

    Very clear, thank you sir

  • @nelsonwitz912
    @nelsonwitz912 3 роки тому

    All the way from Belize central America, thumbs up to your video, it is so easy to understand, on how to cut roof rafters.

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  3 роки тому

      All right and glad you learned something new.

  • @VicsGarage71
    @VicsGarage71 6 місяців тому +2

    Love the building the rafters before the walls. I always build my walls then rafters after and its always been a pain in the ass lol

  • @patrickzadd5215
    @patrickzadd5215 3 роки тому +1

    Excellent video
    thank you!

  • @naturalmystics-kd9vt
    @naturalmystics-kd9vt 2 роки тому

    You are a real good person who want to help others I like your videos thank you

  • @ZZZ333
    @ZZZ333 Рік тому +1

    Finally I understand it now 👍🏼👌🏼

  • @mariorodas23
    @mariorodas23 8 місяців тому

    I’m not a professional carpenter but your video makes so much sense. Thanks so much for the info

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  8 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching!

  • @carlbaldwin8972
    @carlbaldwin8972 Рік тому +1

    Working on kingplate today..up and down ladder..foreseeng the setting of roof trusses ..next part of process..full sun etc..doing the work on the pad is so helpfull..thank you for sharing..i know this is great..it just went to"FUN"..after watching this video..also the others etc

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  Рік тому

      Sounds great!

    • @mrobvious1100
      @mrobvious1100 Рік тому

      ​@@gregvancomif I may sir I am a 65 year old retired firefighter with absolutely zero construction experience. I love your videos but I'm just trying to put it in practical application with my brain power. I am actually trying to put my pickup truck in my trailer undercover and I am looking to make a 20 ft x 20ft shed type building with no front doors at this moment. I'm just looking to back in my trailer and my truck to be under roof and my riding tractor in my backyard. I was thinking about just having a company deliver enough gravel to give me a base to drive my vehicle on. I did want to give it three sides and a roof and I am trying to decide between making trusses or just doing this ridge board with 10 ft Rafters on each side. I would like to not have any wood coming down from the middle to the ground. I was thinking of putting up four by fours in the four corners and one in the middle on each side but I wanted to have an open area in the center

  • @jreeder6168
    @jreeder6168 Рік тому +1

    Good presentation. Have to make sure side walls are nice and plum and right width so bird mouth fits snugly on top plate. Good job.

  • @thomasj.mcneil3136
    @thomasj.mcneil3136 3 роки тому +1

    Very good explanation. Thanks Tom

  • @markirish7599
    @markirish7599 3 роки тому

    Fantastic video thanks and best wishes from Ireland 🇮🇪

  • @lonnieclemens8028
    @lonnieclemens8028 7 місяців тому

    Today I started working on the attic floor. Tomorrow hopefully the the ridge beam. I am excited!

  • @rufusdurham8395
    @rufusdurham8395 2 роки тому +1

    I love 💕 the video it's easy

  • @joegeorge3367
    @joegeorge3367 2 роки тому

    one time i went to wooden boat building school where the craftsmen used a layout method called "lofting" to lay out all the curves to build a boat - all laid out on the floor. this reminds me of that. thanks for sharing.

  • @minkademko2335
    @minkademko2335 Рік тому

    Easy to understand. Thanks for this 🙂

  • @tydingshomeremodeling2667
    @tydingshomeremodeling2667 Рік тому +1

    This is an excellent video.

  • @abefroman3903
    @abefroman3903 3 роки тому +1

    Brilliant ...laying it out on the slab .I have never seen that before , great video

  • @anthonyz7327
    @anthonyz7327 4 роки тому +1

    Very good video simple and easy to understand 👏👏👏👏👏

  • @fidelischiti3285
    @fidelischiti3285 2 роки тому

    I love it, the method is simple and straight forward . Thanks

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  2 роки тому

      Comments like yours are always appreciated:)

  • @mikemcgown6362
    @mikemcgown6362 3 роки тому +1

    You made a complicated project very easy to understand. Thank you so much for the video. I understand this will work for any size rafter on any size building. It all correlates with the size of building. Got a thumbs up from me!

  • @landonlandon5533
    @landonlandon5533 2 роки тому

    I did my lay out on the garage floor with soap stone to check my math. I like the idea of checking it right on the slab, thank you!

  • @Rick-v4x
    @Rick-v4x Рік тому

    Amazing. Simple, thorough, and very much appreciated

  • @juanmontana8667
    @juanmontana8667 2 роки тому

    Muchas gracias por su información entendí muy bien su explicación fácil y sencilla no tan complicada como lo explican otras personas con tantos cálculos difíciles esto era lo que necesitaba muchas gracias un saludo del sur de Chile

  • @monster3478
    @monster3478 8 місяців тому

    This helps a lot! I’m building a chicken coop and this made it super easy to understand. Thanks!

  • @linethsanchez3656
    @linethsanchez3656 9 місяців тому

    Your video are very good Alex from Panama thanks

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  9 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching!

  • @JoshStaley
    @JoshStaley 21 день тому

    NOW I GET IT! that was the vary thing that was confusing me. im a union pipe-fitter pythagorean theorem is a big part of my life.
    I just see a triangle calculation when I see a roof truss but I couldn’t figure out where in the board triangle actually intersected

  • @TrenholmFamily-1701
    @TrenholmFamily-1701 2 роки тому

    Excellent Teacher. Everyone comprehends knowledge at a different level, speed. Good job.

  • @lonnieclemens8028
    @lonnieclemens8028 8 місяців тому

    When I was 12 years old I could've figured this stuff out. But now that I am older and supposed to be smarter. I have a tendency to over think things. Thank you for sharing this video. It is helping me.

  • @bluegrassers
    @bluegrassers 8 місяців тому

    Thanks for an eye opening video👍

  • @ROGELIOBarrera-n6o
    @ROGELIOBarrera-n6o 10 місяців тому

    Yes it is very good information I love it ,thank you.

  • @Johnwilliams-yi9xc
    @Johnwilliams-yi9xc Рік тому

    Great information, easy way to get it done for DIY. Thank you.

  • @zeekflash6924
    @zeekflash6924 Рік тому

    Wow, this is what I been searching for , like 4 weeks . Your a genius sir , so simple even I understand lol 😂thxs

  • @MrAlespa
    @MrAlespa 4 роки тому

    Probably one of the best UA-cam channel I ever seen.

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  4 роки тому +1

      I always enjoy reading comments like yours and I agree:)

  • @TheRobinsegg1
    @TheRobinsegg1 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you, making a simple garden project . To the point!

  • @FRANCISCOSANTOS-vb6uy
    @FRANCISCOSANTOS-vb6uy 3 роки тому +1

    Very impressive! Very legible; I don’t think it can be better than that; I’ve been watching many videos, and honestly, all of them, all the contractors have been very professional; but yours is the clearest that I can see, thank you so very much, believe me, you just gave me a big and great solution about what I was looking for; thanks again!.

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  3 роки тому

      You bet and comments like yours are awesome.

  • @jimcreighton6605
    @jimcreighton6605 9 місяців тому

    Thank you for a simple method! It’s fool proof ! And I’m not a carpenter ! 💥👍

  • @windsong832
    @windsong832 3 роки тому +2

    I love your teaching method! Two thumbs up. Don't change your teaching style. Everyone learns differently. If your style does not work for a viewer, than it should be the viewer's responsibility to search for one that best suites their learning needs. You keep up the good work. I subscribed and liked!

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  3 роки тому

      Thank you so much for the kind words and support 😊

  • @brandtstone2791
    @brandtstone2791 4 роки тому +3

    Awesome ! So simple 😎

  • @Peter-pi4zo
    @Peter-pi4zo Рік тому

    Great video especially for the inexperienced carpenter like myself.

  • @ypcharly
    @ypcharly 3 роки тому +1

    I like your explanation a lot

  • @travis1572
    @travis1572 Рік тому +1

    Woah,
    I think I got it THANKS

  • @ronjones4069
    @ronjones4069 3 роки тому

    I wish I had seen this about three weeks ago. It would have saved me hours.... no, it would have saved me days. Thanks for taking time to show us.

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  3 роки тому

      You're welcome and thanks for letting us know that it could have helped. Bummer!!!

  • @pauls4708
    @pauls4708 4 роки тому +1

    I am a frame and truss detailer.This is a very good explanation!( we do precut rafters too).The only thing i can fault is perhaps a quick word on dealing with the natural bows of timber,and doing the layout on the middle of the floor.I have never seen a concrete slab that would be so accurate

    • @gregvancom
      @gregvancom  4 роки тому

      Good point, but that would be one sad looking messed up concrete slab to affect the roof framing layout for something like this, wouldn't you agree.

    • @pauls4708
      @pauls4708 4 роки тому

      @@gregvancom you probabaly right all i know is when we go to measure a concrete slab they are never exactly as per plan and the corners are often messed up