Keir Starmer is a socialist… Just not your type of socialist! There are very many different strands of socialism. Socialism is a ‘family’ of myriad different strands of ideology from the far left to the centre-left of the political spectrum. The former including Marxism to the latter including social democracy.
What Mr Kinnock did to the Labour Party is not a secret from the general public or at least from those who have any interest in politics; so Mr Kinnock should keep his opinions for his friends Blair and Brown, Starmer and others in their boat, leaving us the general public to make our own choices without his "guidance" Thank you.
Who are you talking about - Neil Kinnock or Jeremy Corbyn? The PROBLEM is when you just say 'HIM' that doesn't tell anyone who the 'HIM' actually is. PLEASE could you be EXPLICIT? Thanks.
@@timelwell7002 I would hazard a guess that the "HIM" in question is the one who has been campaigning for a millionaire private healthcare contractor to win the Islington North parliamentary seat.
With tonnes of borrowed American money. Different times, different situations. Also the NHS needs massive reform to cut the cost impact on the public purse if it is going to exist for another 75 years. - from a lifelong labour voter
@@Whocares-n3b Oh dear, you fail to understand the creeping privatisation of the NHS that has happened since 2010 since this Tory government have been in power. The PROBLEM with ANY privately run public service or public utility is that it is run primarily for the PROFIT of the major shareholders, who DEMAND maximum return for their investment. This creates a built-in CONFLICT OF INTERESTS between that which is best for our nation, and that which is best for the shareholders. Sadly, it was 'New Labour' who made it all to easy for Cameron and his successors to sell off the NHS piecemeal. Blair made 3 major changes to the NHS, and none of them were good. These were: 1) The division of the NHS into separate Health Care Trusts 2) The rolling out of Private Funding Initiatives (PFIs) which have seen hospitals become near-bankrupt. 3) The imposition of a HUGE level of Middle Management onto the NHS. The idea that private investment makes the NHS more efficient and cheaper to run is absurd, but because the Tories are sneaky, they have made it APPEAR that the NHS is a bottomless money-pit. The reality is that government funding for the NHS has been DIVERTED to the privatised (and profitable) parts of the NHS. In my work I get to speak to many doctors, consultants and nurses, all of whom say precisely what I've described above. You might like to see a video supporting my assertions here: ua-cam.com/users/results?search_query=Doctor+EXPOSES+Plan+to+DESTROY+NHS+DDN
The NUM (National Union of Mineworkers) played right into Margaret Thatcher’s hands. So much so, their hardline approach led to the breakaway UDM (Union of Democratic Mineworkers) Union being formed by much more moderate mineworkers. Kinnock had a very tricky delicate tightrope to work, given how the Mineworker Unions split, and the political and electoral complexities that that entailed.
@@jamietfulthe only reason you consider it a 'hardline' approach is because they lost. Because the labour party didn't support them. Destroying the working class, and leaving the labour party, politics, to the class society that exists today. Or perhaps thats what you wanted, and you're just a pb blairite, idk
With the greatest of respect, I describe it as a hardline approach by the NUM towards the then bitter and protracted dispute with the then Conservative government is because it was. The NUM dispute strategy was at its core rigid, totally uncompromising and ultimately counterproductive - it was driven by an NUM leadership populated by far left ideologies. It was a strategy that proved fatal for the NUM, but worst of all, it was fatal for the mining industry. Ironically, this NUM strategy is more often reflected in the strategy pursued by the Labour Party whenever the far left ideologies capture its leadership… and very predictably result in a near fatal political and electoral defeat for Labour. It’s most telling that you avoid my points about the NUM playing in to the hands of the them Thatcher governments, and dodge addressing my point about the hardline NUM dispute strategy creating a highly damaging split within the mineworkers union movement.
Corbyn has served - properly served - his constituency for 40 years. Anybody who wants to deprive the local people of one of their best-ever public servants should have something rather brilliant and better in mind ....... ????
He's done very little in terms of bringing forth bills or sitting in cross party committees, aside from his time as Labour leader And he's a Putin stooge
If you read George Galloway's book 'I'm not the only one', you'll find out what the leadership of the Labour party actually thought of Kinnock when he was leader. It wasn't complimentary, and would appear to have been entirely accurate.
@@TheDemonartaCorbyn has shown he is still highly regarded by his constituents. And Corbyn doesn't offend anyone, unlike the blairite scumbags. So, I'm glad he is still in Parliament.
Or Jeremy! Starmer didn't waste any time to expel him. Well, he had to appease his zionists friends and Jeremy's head was one of the top prizes. I hope Jeremy starts his own party, although it might too late.
@@MissMariQueen I stopped supporting Corbyn when I got to know some of the Momentum crowd - a bunch of insane, anti-Semitic, Islamist-supporting loons. And then JC announced his pronouns - what a tw*t - and attempted to reverse the Brexit vote, despite being personally in favour of leaving the EU for decades. Hypocrite and faddist.
If Starmer is "going to act in the public interest" and "a socialist", then _what is _ the public interest? _What good is socialism_ if I can't tell it apart from conservatism? I'm a member of this party. I personally ascribe to a feminist, Marxist, socialist ideology but I'm a realist and an incrementalist and I've always preferred social democracy as a credible opposition to Conservatism. Kinnock made a good argument for this in the eighties. But now he is wrong. If you're a lifetime Labour supporter like Jeremy, your nobility is all you have left because you're voice has been taken away. I will not be preached to about solidarity and collective responsibility when Labour has jeopardized Islington North as a safe Labour seat for what? To score political points against in an internal game, and replaced Corbyn with a half-wit cypher with neither ideology, praxis, nor experience. A man who, even in his day job, is a terrible public speaker. Member of Parliament is not a corporate graduate trainee position or industry sabbatical! I remember the Labour of the pre-Blair years and I remember how unrelatable the Militant and Young Socialist movements were. I distrusted New Labour and the abolition of Clause 4 but my view has always been that we couldn't beat the Tories without a platform of moderate and popular social democracy. Labour doesn't look serious. It doesn't look appealing. It looks about as bloody stereotypical and ideological as it did in the Foot years, but now it's for all the opposite reasons. Because the party has cut out it's own soul. I'm no longer cringing the silly student Soviet cosplay and donkey-jacket mafiosi of the Bad Old Days. Now I cringe at the robotically camp self-contradiction machines in their best-man suits who lie reflexively, somehow manage to seem out of touch with a working and middle class even when they're in it, and they all talk like they're only capable of repeating anodyne bullet points from a corporate HR PowerPoint presentation in a voice like bloody C-3PO. It's patronising to the electorate and betrayal of not only the party faithful, but this country. It's going to end in tears and Neil knows it. Just you watch.
I’m shocked at how cantankerous and rude Kinnock was! I never liked him back in the day, but thought that he was playing his role. I thought he might have been a little more pleasant to someone from a nascent UA-cam channel!
Well if this is all a big gambit by Sir Kid Starver to appeal to appeal to the widest "breadth of voters" as possible, then I assume he'll be fine with me being unable to hold my nose that hard.
The British problem: The Conservatives are looking at the world with a view a 100 years old, and Labour is full of socialists, not socialdemocrats, like in mainland Europe. Both parties are affraid of the voters regarding EU. I hope more Brits will vore liberal.
The labour party, by its own definition, is a democratic socialist Party, non a social democratic Party. Hence, I don't understand why Starmer and his ilk are in the party. They should all join the libdems.
Neil Kinnock (and his teams at the time) did the hard graft of that brought Labour closer to being electable again. He will never be forgiven for ideologies on the far and hard left for returning Labour to its ideological ‘broad church’ traditions… largely by expelling and driving out of the Labour Party the toxic, politically inept far left agitators in the 1980’s. The Labour Party has always made the most effective, lasting change when it has been a political and ideological ‘broad church’. Its has always been a monumental electoral and political failure when its leadership is captured by the hard and far left ideologues! Thats the pure and simple facts - whether those ideologically fixated like it ir not!
I surmise that Labour must be a little desperate if they are digging up this guy!
Totally!
"Lord" Kinnock preaching about democratic socialism!
Such a hypocrite
Starmer is not a socialist. No way
I agree
Keir Starmer is a socialist… Just not your type of socialist!
There are very many different strands of socialism. Socialism is a ‘family’ of myriad different strands of ideology from the far left to the centre-left of the political spectrum. The former including Marxism to the latter including social democracy.
@@jamietful there is only one type of socialist
He's a joke.
Kinnock has invented a new type & style of socialism. Herr Starmer.
What Mr Kinnock did to the Labour Party is not a secret from the general public or at least from those who have any interest in politics; so Mr Kinnock should keep his opinions for his friends Blair and Brown, Starmer and others in their boat, leaving us the general public to make our own choices without his "guidance" Thank you.
People need to remind people like him we created the NHS in 48 3 years after the war when the country was in way more trouble.
Who are you talking about - Neil Kinnock or Jeremy Corbyn? The PROBLEM is when you just say 'HIM' that doesn't tell anyone who the 'HIM' actually is. PLEASE could you be EXPLICIT? Thanks.
@@timelwell7002 I would hazard a guess that the "HIM" in question is the one who has been campaigning for a millionaire private healthcare contractor to win the Islington North parliamentary seat.
@@timelwell7002I believe he is talking about Starmer
With tonnes of borrowed American money. Different times, different situations.
Also the NHS needs massive reform to cut the cost impact on the public purse if it is going to exist for another 75 years.
- from a lifelong labour voter
@@Whocares-n3b Oh dear, you fail to understand the creeping privatisation of the NHS that has happened since 2010 since this Tory government have been in power.
The PROBLEM with ANY privately run public service or public utility is that it is run primarily for the PROFIT of the major shareholders, who DEMAND maximum return for their investment.
This creates a built-in CONFLICT OF INTERESTS between that which is best for our nation, and that which is best for the shareholders.
Sadly, it was 'New Labour' who made it all to easy for Cameron and his successors to sell off the NHS piecemeal.
Blair made 3 major changes to the NHS, and none of them were good. These were:
1) The division of the NHS into separate Health Care Trusts
2) The rolling out of Private Funding Initiatives (PFIs) which have seen hospitals become near-bankrupt.
3) The imposition of a HUGE level of Middle Management onto the NHS.
The idea that private investment makes the NHS more efficient and cheaper to run is absurd, but because the Tories are sneaky, they have made it APPEAR that the NHS is a bottomless money-pit.
The reality is that government funding for the NHS has been DIVERTED to the privatised (and profitable) parts of the NHS.
In my work I get to speak to many doctors, consultants and nurses, all of whom say precisely what I've described above.
You might like to see a video supporting my assertions here:
ua-cam.com/users/results?search_query=Doctor+EXPOSES+Plan+to+DESTROY+NHS+DDN
Starmer is no socialist and kinnock knows this
Neither is Kinnock.
Neil you was a huge sellout during your time. Sold workers down the river.
I don't believe Neil Kinnock was ever in a position of government to be able to sell out workers.
He did not support the miners he was a big let down
The NUM (National Union of Mineworkers) played right into Margaret Thatcher’s hands. So much so, their hardline approach led to the breakaway UDM (Union of Democratic Mineworkers) Union being formed by much more moderate mineworkers.
Kinnock had a very tricky delicate tightrope to work, given how the Mineworker Unions split, and the political and electoral complexities that that entailed.
@@jamietfulthe only reason you consider it a 'hardline' approach is because they lost. Because the labour party didn't support them. Destroying the working class, and leaving the labour party, politics, to the class society that exists today. Or perhaps thats what you wanted, and you're just a pb blairite, idk
With the greatest of respect, I describe it as a hardline approach by the NUM towards the then bitter and protracted dispute with the then Conservative government is because it was. The NUM dispute strategy was at its core rigid, totally uncompromising and ultimately counterproductive - it was driven by an NUM leadership populated by far left ideologies. It was a strategy that proved fatal for the NUM, but worst of all, it was fatal for the mining industry. Ironically, this NUM strategy is more often reflected in the strategy pursued by the Labour Party whenever the far left ideologies capture its leadership… and very predictably result in a near fatal political and electoral defeat for Labour.
It’s most telling that you avoid my points about the NUM playing in to the hands of the them Thatcher governments, and dodge addressing my point about the hardline NUM dispute strategy creating a highly damaging split within the mineworkers union movement.
Corbyn has served - properly served - his constituency for 40 years. Anybody who wants to deprive the local people of one of their best-ever public servants should have something rather brilliant and better in mind ....... ????
They keep wheeling out Kinnock, Blair, Mandelson and Campbell as if they weren't the worst of the problem. Don't remind us.
Jeremy is a rare type. He's actually good, loyal and decent. He has principles.
Jc 4 Islington north 👍
He's done very little in terms of bringing forth bills or sitting in cross party committees, aside from his time as Labour leader
And he's a Putin stooge
@@storm21410HA! He's done more Early Day Motions than you've had hot dinners! It's a cliche, but... do your research 😂
Neil embarrassing himself as usual, I see.
Say Kinnock who I remember didn’t stand with the Miners, what a joke & a shame 😮
man , I wish those coal mines were still open now! Those were the days
So, according to Kinnock, it's ok to lie, it's statesmanlike.
If you read George Galloway's book 'I'm not the only one', you'll find out what the leadership of the Labour party actually thought of Kinnock when he was leader. It wasn't complimentary, and would appear to have been entirely accurate.
I wouldn't believe a single word that grifter Galloway says. He's a crude and vulgar populist, he's not on the left.
Well Neil, Jeremy was vindicated, again, as you were not, again
Vote for Jeremy.
"Lord" tells you that he is an establishment sellout. No point in listening to what he has to say👎👎
Lord Capitalist. Enough said. Disgrace.
My, my - didn't Kinnock sell himself out!
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Kinnock is a disgrace in old age
Neil, as ever, talking a load of Kinnocks.
This is an excellent interview. Kinnock talks im circles. Utterly delusional. Excellent questions. Just subscribed.
of course jeremy is right.
this oaf is a backsitter
Let the voters decide - not Kinnock
Just yuck
Senior failed labour leaders should bow out quietly and stop interfering in today's politics.
Just like Jeremy?
@@TheDemonartaCorbyn has shown he is still highly regarded by his constituents. And Corbyn doesn't offend anyone, unlike the blairite scumbags. So, I'm glad he is still in Parliament.
The accent of the young lady taking this interview attests to her working class roots 😂😂😂
Just like the rest of socialist movement :)
Oh yes, focus on the accent.
Did she claim to be working class?
Like your new channel ! Found by accident.
But does the current Labour Party tolerate a diversity of views. Loyalty, support and responsible actions cut both ways.
A dispiriting interview from someone who doesnt want to think too much about what we need.
"The Labour Party always respects people's personal views." Tell that to Rosie Duffield.
Or Jeremy! Starmer didn't waste any time to expel him. Well, he had to appease his zionists friends and Jeremy's head was one of the top prizes. I hope Jeremy starts his own party, although it might too late.
@@MissMariQueen I stopped supporting Corbyn when I got to know some of the Momentum crowd - a bunch of insane, anti-Semitic, Islamist-supporting loons. And then JC announced his pronouns - what a tw*t - and attempted to reverse the Brexit vote, despite being personally in favour of leaving the EU for decades. Hypocrite and faddist.
If Starmer is "going to act in the public interest" and "a socialist", then _what is _ the public interest? _What good is socialism_ if I can't tell it apart from conservatism? I'm a member of this party. I personally ascribe to a feminist, Marxist, socialist ideology but I'm a realist and an incrementalist and I've always preferred social democracy as a credible opposition to Conservatism.
Kinnock made a good argument for this in the eighties. But now he is wrong. If you're a lifetime Labour supporter like Jeremy, your nobility is all you have left because you're voice has been taken away. I will not be preached to about solidarity and collective responsibility when Labour has jeopardized Islington North as a safe Labour seat for what? To score political points against in an internal game, and replaced Corbyn with a half-wit cypher with neither ideology, praxis, nor experience. A man who, even in his day job, is a terrible public speaker. Member of Parliament is not a corporate graduate trainee position or industry sabbatical!
I remember the Labour of the pre-Blair years and I remember how unrelatable the Militant and Young Socialist movements were. I distrusted New Labour and the abolition of Clause 4 but my view has always been that we couldn't beat the Tories without a platform of moderate and popular social democracy.
Labour doesn't look serious. It doesn't look appealing. It looks about as bloody stereotypical and ideological as it did in the Foot years, but now it's for all the opposite reasons.
Because the party has cut out it's own soul.
I'm no longer cringing the silly student Soviet cosplay and donkey-jacket mafiosi of the Bad Old Days.
Now I cringe at the robotically camp self-contradiction machines in their best-man suits who lie reflexively, somehow manage to seem out of touch with a working and middle class even when they're in it, and they all talk like they're only capable of repeating anodyne bullet points from a corporate HR PowerPoint presentation in a voice like bloody C-3PO.
It's patronising to the electorate and betrayal of not only the party faithful, but this country. It's going to end in tears and Neil knows it. Just you watch.
"Hello Sheffield...We're Alright".
I’m shocked at how cantankerous and rude Kinnock was! I never liked him back in the day, but thought that he was playing his role. I thought he might have been a little more pleasant to someone from a nascent UA-cam channel!
Oh look, the guy who took a dip in the sea 🌊 how embarrassing that was.
Well if this is all a big gambit by Sir Kid Starver to appeal to appeal to the widest "breadth of voters" as possible, then I assume he'll be fine with me being unable to hold my nose that hard.
Is the objective of an election not to appeal to the widest "breath of voters" ?
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Thought he drowned in the sea
Unfortunately not.
🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢
1 pound fish 🐟
The British problem: The Conservatives are looking at the world with a view a 100 years old, and Labour is full of socialists, not socialdemocrats, like in mainland Europe. Both parties are affraid of the voters regarding EU. I hope more Brits will vore liberal.
I *wish* Labour was full of socialists. I might still vote for them if that were true
The labour party, by its own definition, is a democratic socialist Party, non a social democratic Party. Hence, I don't understand why Starmer and his ilk are in the party. They should all join the libdems.
@@BabelSongs I'd even settle for social democrats at this stage lol
Neil Kinnock (and his teams at the time) did the hard graft of that brought Labour closer to being electable again. He will never be forgiven for ideologies on the far and hard left for returning Labour to its ideological ‘broad church’ traditions… largely by expelling and driving out of the Labour Party the toxic, politically inept far left agitators in the 1980’s.
The Labour Party has always made the most effective, lasting change when it has been a political and ideological ‘broad church’. Its has always been a monumental electoral and political failure when its leadership is captured by the hard and far left ideologues! Thats the pure and simple facts - whether those ideologically fixated like it ir not!
Well it’s not a broad church now - the lefties have either been expelled, have left, or are completely sidelined from positions of authority
So now it's such a broad church that the political atheists are running the show.
@jamietful I've never seen a more Orwellian use of the phrase "broad church".
Harold Wilson created the phase lol @@MrMamooshka
@@AliAli-iq6zu I'm talking about its duplicitous and cynical usage, not it's origin.