This New Dental School Has NO REQUIREMENTS?!
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- Опубліковано 12 сер 2022
- Have you heard of the Workman School of Dental Medicine at High Point University? That's right, there's a brand new dental school starting in 2024 that has NO APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS! Watch the video to see what I'm talking about, and let's discuss! Leave a comment!
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I’m a dental assistant, this is the opportunity of a lifetime for me! I have adhd and have never been good at school, this is my passion. Thank you for telling me about this in depth, the dr. I work with mentioned this
I think it’s a great idea ! I’m a respiratory practitioner and have been pursing dentistry since 2013 when I first started college. I’ve never failed a class I have a 3.6 GPA , volunteered , obtained an AA & AS. My journey has been drawn out !!! The only reason I chose a 2 yr program is because I was getting older but dentistry is my passion. I’m currently finishing precalcus for summer and working towards biomedical science program for my bachelors. All this stress and time is frustrating. I’m a mother, full time employee and career student. I am ready for dental school! In other countries right after high school you go into your professional schools only America has prerequisites, I think it’s all about money. It shouldn’t be near impossible if someone wants to become a doctor and better themselves to help others. School is hard enough so I don’t want to be burnt out by preparing for dental school. Let me get there first !😭😭 it’s taking my whole life & I don’t understand why. I’m applying to that school ASAP no Rocky !
i definitely understand! i see both sides of it, so i know how you feel and i completely understand
I am a mother ,in my 30's , pre dental student and I have considered dental hygiene as a back up for all the reasonings you just listed, i have my bachelors in another field so I don't have the sciences I need expect biology that I just took this past summer and earned an A in, but your heart is in dentistry ! SO lets continue to beat all odds and truly become the dentists they we are called to be despite how much time it will take, age, etc. there is another mom, wanting to pursue dentistry but fear is in the way so sharing your story is an inspiration to preserve and fight for your dreams. lets connect 💕
@@StudentDoctorEli I appreciate you for your videos . After watching this at 3am I applied to HPU dental school ! The application deadline is tomorrow Aug 15,2022 ! That must’ve been God that I came across your video in time fr !! BTW my son name is Eli as well, powerful name 💪🏾
My daughter is at the situation as you and she so upset, is draining her life, I don’t know what to said to her. I’m so angry to BU because they make us paid $60,000 for a program and after that still they told her that her GPA was low so why did they took the $.
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@@GodfavorsmiHi did you get into the school?
I was wondering about the catch. This is going to make heartland as a company soooo rich, I feel like there will be a contract or something about going into practice for them! It’s a phenomenal opportunity and I’m all for it and ready to apply right now. But on the other side graduation, I worry about how my career will look, in their hands.
Hmm very intriguing. I'll look into applying to this school as well when it comes time because why not
You spoke directly to my soul at 7:32 when you said something about not taking organic chemistry 2 as a prereq to get into dental school... I took my final for organic chemistry 2 THIS MORNING. What a coincidence that I'm watching your video right now. I was sitting at my desk looking down at my final exam wondering how I could get into dental school. Realistically, I'm not going to pass this class. I was planning on applying this cycle, but this one class is my hurdle right now. I know its not the end of the world and there are going to be ways around it. It just feels tough at the moment. Thanks for your video!
trust me I understand.. some of those classes really can feel like they're not really applicable and they only serve the purpose of weeding out students and scaring them from pursuing whichever professional school they're going for. Either way, you have the right attitude and I'm sure you'll get them the next go round if things don't work out this time. Thanks for watching!
@@StudentDoctorEli If High Point was an option for you during your application cycle, would you have applied?
probably not, mainly because they don't participate in the AADSAS yet and I was relatively confident in my ability to get in after taking the DAT
First, I think everyone can agree on the fact that ALL COLLEGES (Undergraduate, Graduate, Professional) levels ALL HAVE STARTED FROM SOMEWHERE with some kind of process. I believe that this new school deserves that same support and care like every other institution in the world today.
As a graduate with an undergraduate degree in Interdisciplinary Studies but with a good bit of science courses taken within that degree program, I definitely see the pros and cons of this situation. I am definitely interested in applying to dental school and I will honestly say that out of the three schools I want to apply to, that this new school will be one of the choices I apply to. I would love to experience the overall admissions process to see what the results may be. ALL STUDENTS APPLYING TO GRADUATE LEVEL / PROFESSIONAL LEVEL COLLEGES SHOULD MOST DEFINITELY ALREADY HAVE AN UNDERGRADUATE DEGREE OR AT LEAST CLOSE TO GRADUATION WHILE APPLYING. I do think that there should definitely be some form of prerequisites and gpa requirement for any graduate level institution. Even though this school doesn't have a DAT requirement, I know that I will still take the exam later this year because I still feel that the DAT will somewhat still help a person prepare for the rigorous journey of Dental School.
This would be great for a dental assistant who has been in the field for 10 years. I am excited I have been in this field for 22 years. I would apply this . Keep me informed
So i thank you first off for making this video. I’m planning on attending this school in the near future, I’m a dental assistant and dental hygienist and I’ve worked in dentistry for 12 years, I support a lot of Heartland Dental offices, so I was able to have a discussion with them about it from what I was told they’re accepting Dental assistants and Hygienist’s that are interested. So far I’ve heard about five dental assistants. Getting into the school thus far I feel like someone like myself and others that have so many years of experience working in this career. It’s very beneficial, and after reviewing some of their criteria requirements on their website, previous Dental is recommended but not required. I’ll be soon to contact the school to see what requirements they would like for me as well.
Have you looked into it? I’m applying too. Lets link up
Hey Eli!
My friend from undergrad and A friend of my coworker sent me the school, so I applied. I have never been the best standardized test taker (didn’t do well on my dat) and I strongly believe that I may have undiagnosed ADHD (which could be contributing to me not being the best at S.T.). I agree with your pros and cons on the school. I believe that students should AT LEAST go through undergrad and complete the pre-reqs and shadow prior to attending dental school. I also agree, a test score does not determine wether or not you’ll do well in dental school/as a dentist, but I do believe that it prepares you for what is to come in terms of the rigorous amount of material that you’ll be covering while in dental school and the boards. I just hope people take it seriously once they get into the school. Overall, i think it’s a great opportunity.
hey! I agree with just about everything you said. thanks for commenting🤗
I applied too! Good luck!
everyone's paths are different. as long as you excel and pass, it really doesn't matter which road you took.
Hey hi!!Does this university have international dental program. Do they accept international dental students?
I was excited to hear this (esp the no fees, DAT and bachelor degree); however, without shadowing? I wonder what the personal statement would sound like. I am hopeful that the boards are not being waived for sure !
Thank you for your real comments. My daughter is preparing to take DAT at the end of the month and hopes for dental school in 2024. Curious about this school. Also wondering how attending a bran$ new school impacts residency and/or career options.
This school won’t even get accredited
I agree that the entry point to professional schools should be more accessible but I think that should be through proving programs that guide students on the application process and meeting the general requirements as well as more fee assistance programs and scholarships. But to drop all the academic requirements is offensive. As you said it is a rigorous program and it is that way because we have the ability to impact peoples lives in a good/ bad way. So while the foundational requirements may not seem that applicable to the actual career, the critical thinking skills and learning strategies gained from these courses/tests/experiences cannot be nullified
agreed. very good points made here
I wonder what the admissions process is going to be like? Especially with no “weed out” factors. Also what would be the attrition rate with no shadowing hours?
apparently, they're using the Altus, which has 3 different tests like the CASPR test) that include video interviews, situational judgment tests, etc. as part of their admissions process, but it's by invitation
the attrition rate is also what i'm concerned about! there's already enough people who come to dental school then decide that dentistry isn't for them, whether it be during 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th year. Now there are going to be people with no experience of how a dental office even works that are thinking they want to go to dental school..until they actually get there
I looked at their website. So they still look at your gpa and all the other stuff, but they use a holistic approach when deciding who to accept. It’s kinda similar to other schools. Not every dental school has a specific gpa or shadow hours requirement but they have suggestions/recommendations. The letter of recommendation that they have is weird. They essentially interview or survey three people…?
I’m curious to see how the students feel after graduating. Like any new school there might be an adjustment period for the staff. And I’m curious to see how other dentists will see/treat these students once they graduate. Will they be brushed off because they went to an “easy” school?
@zzzz when you apply for a job as an associate or at a corporate dental office
You have a great point but also the performance of the student in their dental school will definitely tell them how Passionate about being a dentist these students are ! I’ve known students who got into top dental schools who dropped out because they just didn’t have an ounce of passion. So I guess it depends and varies per person
Their dental school admissions got delayed one year so there might be adjustments made before their first class
oh really! so was it 2023 before?
@@StudentDoctorEli yes
oh okay. hmm, you make a good point then! they may be making adjustments and it could be because they're having issues with accreditation 🧐
I definitely see the pros/cons to this; my cousins who live in the UK go straight into their professional programs right after high school! But..., I feel like there's a catch... like what if you only come out with a certificate, or something, rather than an actual degree?... what if you're restricted to where you can work? I'm curious to see the outcome of this!
well said!
They are not CODA accredited
Thank you. I didn’t know about this university. I’m dentist for another country. Here the grades are different and put my gpa down. I don’t need to have 100 requirement more. I practiced my profession for more than 10 years and here I graduated from UCLA as RDAEF 1&2 It’s the first time that I’m applying for dental school university . I’m talking the Board now. I would like to now if they request Board before applying and if we can work in any part of US I’m from California. This it’ll be great. Did you see the dental chairs, I’m in shock. Thank you.
After watching this video i have tons of mix feelings about it. As a pre-dental student I think it’s a great opportunity. They’re giving people the opportunity to become dentists, but I also think it is not fair to all the current dental students or doctors that had to put in the extra work to get to where they’re at now.
I think it's a good opportunity especially because yeah like I mentioned there's more to being a dentist than a GPA and DAT score, but there is still a good reason why every school asks for that. I do think eventually we will see schools that are DAT optional, where it's now or in 50 years.. but what will the result of that change look like? I don't know.
@@StudentDoctorEliyeah but there are people who have what you mentioned about being a dentist and the scores for it. Not everyone can be a doctor I am sorry
I’m 46 years old and have been in dentistry since I was 20. I have an AAS degree in dental technology3.9 GPA (those programs are gone now), and in 2013 I attended a dental school in Texas and got my BS in dental hygiene (top of my class 3.9 GPA). Last 3 years I’ve own a dental practice, do lab work, and hygiene work. I’ve fulfilled everything except being a dentist . The reason being is that as a Mexican American I didn’t have the resources to apply to dental school or undergrad right after high school. I did everything slow and in stages because that was all I could afford.
This seeems such a good option for me
Someone who is not even enrolled in bachelors 😐 this gives me hope I can finish my bachelors
hi just checking in. HIGH REQUIREMENTS and HIGH STANDARDS keep you away from experiencing low quality ones but Financial barriers is a barrier that many face. I can say for myself, I am faced with that barrier to entry. but there is a way, I have researched grants, scholarships, and found different ways for me to afford dental school. two, the amount of sciences class I have to take-although I have my bachelors, dat, I have adhd but I found many strategies to help cope with it,. I have felt discouraged with the many requirements from different schools but it just new and different process that many of us haven't experienced before. I have started my prerequisites for said courses. I can honestly say, my pre dental journey is developing me into a stronger, competent, by any means necessary person. also, it has allow me to set my own high standards for myself, I personally believe people take pride in the schools they attend, and it the requirements are low, I would assume the curriculum is low. this profession is a duty and responsibility, its not something to half ass or half step. for my thoughts are, take the path with the most resistance, you'll discover what you're truly made it. 🥰
i understand. with all of that work, do you ever worry that you'll be burnt out by the time you get to dental school?
@@StudentDoctorEli I don't have worry, its already taken care of. burnout don't equate to quitting, or at least for me.
How does this affect the student’s probability of getting a good job fresh out of dental school based on the school they attend? Would they receive the same negative stigma a student that attended a Caribbean med school would receive especially if they are great at what they do? How long will it take for them to receive the correct accreditation for them to open in time?
good question! i think if anything, they'll have a reeeeally good shot at getting a job at Heartland Dental 🤨 but yeah thats a good question! who knows. I heard their admissions got delayed one year so maybe they have been having issues with getting accreditation
I like what you said that the barrier of entry into dental school is 100% a reason why it’s dominated by white men, let’s not skirt around the issue. That being said, while I have used ochem II a grand total of 0 times in dental school I understand the importance of taking those more difficult classes in undergrad to prepare for the DAT and to prepare for the rigor of dental school. At the end of the day, if the school can train good dentists who can pass the boards and can contribute the the field I don’t see why it’d be a problem.
The barriers are only there bc of the prestige of become a doctor. I don’t think barriers and diversity cross over tho density is female dominated with over 60% being female in my class and there is plenty of diversity with a well amount of Indian and Asian people. Just because there aren’t a ton of African Americans doesn’t mean there’s not diversity.
@@jonahpoole7171 go look at the breakdown of Dentistry based of race and gender then come back to me.
Which school is that one?
Tell BU not to tell you to asked about the new school, and if not I’m so sorry.
My husband and I worked so hard to paid my daughter one year program at BU and still they didn’t accept her.
Imagine seen my daughter frustrated how do I feel when someone is going to open school like that.
I would love my daughter to apply to that is school to make her only one dream of been dentist become true but she still hoping that another university will take her in the mind time my daughter feels drained by all this.
My husband and I are immigrants and never thought that something like this would happened to our daughter.
I think if were being honest as a school you can say no requirements but how do you fare against a student who has everything you dont have, just because you saw it was no requirements. Also imagine the amount of applications they are going to have, how are they going to filter through everything in such a short time for admissions. From my experience I did not do extremely well but didnt do bad on the DAT and to me I don’t see a true coorelation but I totally agree with the GPA. You go from 15-18 credit hours in undergrad to 28-36 credit hours, if you couldnt manage 15 credits over 16 weeks you will for sure struggle in dental school, unless you just weren’t intrested in some of those undergrad classes so you kinda lolligaged through.
I think it's a fantastic idea to not have such requirements especially the DAT. I feel this test doesn't in any way test your ability if you will turn out to be a great clinician or not. I feel all schools should look at the application as a whole such as one's experiences in the dental world, community service/engagements, course descriptions during the degree and other motivational characteristics during the interview process rather than weighing DAT highly. We need more schools to remove DAT as a whole.
i agree lol. man, even the PAT section means nothing 😂😂😂. but I can't complain because the DAT allowed me a chance to show i'm capable despite my low GPA
I am looking to apply for High point this cycle. My gpa for undergrad was okay , but I decided to get my masters to increase my gpa. I graduated with a 3.9, but the DAT is kicking my ass. This will be my third go around with the DAT , my goal is a 20. I feel like the DAT is stoping my from getting in to dental school.
The DAT is a tough exam to conquer. Remember, it is only one part of your application. Wishing you the best with your third crack at it, but don't let it discourage you too much!
I think like everything else, the need for a large amount of students at first to help with financing the school through tuition is why there is no requirements. I am also on the side of they will have to pass the same boards, but can understand the need for the DAT. I think they will have it as a requirement after about 2-4 years.
@@diamondross2982 So, if they don't require nothing now such as some med schools don't even require the pre-reqs either and the law schools are the same thing. And they have REMOVED the SAT, so how will they put the DAT back on?
@@billygrass8742 if I’m understanding the question correctly, you’re asking how will they reincorporate the DAT as part of admissions later on? If so, from what I understood from the Info session I attended, they don’t intend to bring the DAT into the admission process. Their reasoning being that they did research and they found that a high DAT score didn’t equate to a student being a good dentist or dental student. I do believe that over time they will increase their prerequisites, at the very least to weed people out, otherwise they’ll probably experience a flood of unqualified students every year and the application count will probably super super high. Perhaps they’ll create their own test that they feel better predicts quality dental students. I think it would make sense to have more prerequisites for épilé who don’t have dental industry experience and maybe less for those who do, or maybe a test to “test out of” prerequisites or something, idk lol I hope I answered your question properly
I’m so confused. So do people who attend this school and graduate receive their doctorate? Without ever needed to complete a bachelors or associates degree?
I believe that is correct.. this is not a new concept either, there are 6 and 7 year doctorate programs combined with undergrads where students never actually get a bachelors degree. these programs have become almost obsolete in dentistry, but I believe most recently, Howard had this program still running a few years ago. The Dean of Student Affairs at my school is very open about the fact that he never actually obtained a Bachelor's degree.
I am just looking into this no DAT thing, I plan on applying this summer, however, I am going to take the DAT. I see that there are four or five schools that do not require the DAT. Honestly, I am happy to see this. I feel that this change is needed. In my opinion, the DAT has nothing to do with dentistry, nor does it feel like it will help me to become a great dentist. I had this conversation with a Dentist that I worked for ,she has a degree in chemistry. She said that she did not need to pursue a degree in chemistry to become a dentist. She said she doesn't remember half of the stuff. I am currently using bootcamp to study for the DAT. I had her and a few other dentists do the PAT section with me and they did horrible. However, they are great successful dentist with their own practices. I think maybe the DAT can be revamped. I can see anatomy and physiology being a part of it. The QR section can go, who really cares if their dentist isn't good at algebra? As you mentioned we still have to take clinical and state boards those are the tests that really matter. But as far as a degree I believe that you should at least have an undergrad degree. The preques can go or be change. Every day in Physics I ask myself why do I have to this stuff and it is soooooo hard. lol Im on board with the changes.
Hey, can i ask what schools do you know that doesn’t require DAT?
I think some people will only apply to this school, and i don’t blame them lol. But the chances of acceptance obviously increase w/ applying to more schools like 10-12. So if they have plans to apply to multiple schools they will still have to meet requirements like a bachelors, DAT, and shadow hours.
agreed! & i personally think with people applying to only HPU.. there will be a lot of nepotism
@@StudentDoctorEli gotta churn out those corporate dentist some how am i right 🫡
lol. aye man im just a D2 what do i know 😂
Which dental school is this? What is the dental school called?
the Workman School of Dental Medicine at High Point University
I have the stats for first year students who got accepted to this school. 70% had bachelors degree. 25% had a masters. The others had no undergrad degree. So, although they say that those pre-requisites are not needed, it is FALSE! They aren’t accepting just anyone! 🤣 Also, it is not true that dental schools require you to have a bachelors. As long as you have all the required science prerequisites you can apply. I know plenty dentist who didn’t have a bachelors.
You are required to have a bachelor's degree before matriculating to just about every dental school in the US now. The rule used to be different which is why you know dentists who don't have a bachelor's degree. That is not the case now.
Another thing it’s about experience not only book work.
agreed!
What is the name of this new dental school/program?
high point university workman school of dental medicine
I’m applying in May 2024 and yes I’ll apply there to give myself more chances to get into dental school.
I have worked as a dental assistant, I shadowed, volunteered, will earn my bachelor in biology with an average GPA . Haven’t taken my DAT yet. At the end of the day I know I want to be a dentist so whatever gets me there
As a dental hygiene student, I will say it’s a bit concerning. How are these students even prepared?? I can see that it might open the door a bit but I’m not sure if it’s a good idea
good point!
@zzzz So hygienist are not able to express their concern and expectation for professionals that they work under? My undergrad is in dental hygiene with the intention on earning DDS in the coming years even if that wasn’t the case, I speak as I please. Therefore, as a consumer, I am concern. As a patient, I am concern. As an employee, I am concern and of course as a future DDS. I am concerned.
I can't understand how this will help the students achieve their goal of becoming a dentist. Dental school by its nature is full of standardized tests. Not to mention dental board exams, and state jurisprudence exams. The DAT sucks, and I hated it with a passion, but it was at least a benchmark (however little it actually applies to dentistry) to understand your ability to jump through the required hoops. I'm not much of a standardized test taker, and I'm definitely one of those guys who has undiagnosed ADHD. I can't even count how many all nighters I had to pull in dental school. I say this not to boast, but to emphasize that the DAT is the least of your worries. I do agree with limiting the financial burden of the application process though.
That is your problem doing all nighters, If it were all to me I would make SChools harder than EVER, so students suffer even more in generation gamma #HAHAH !
They don't require the DAT because, as a new school without a reputation, they are desperate for applicants. All others schools will continue to use DAT and GPA to filter out applicants automatically. In fact, dental schools are looking for new ways to filter out applicants using CASPER and Kira. I think ADEA has done a good job of regualting new schools and preventing too many of them, which is why HPU has to delay starting their program till 2024. Too many new schools will create too many dentists, and decrease the appeal of the dental profession.
well said. someone else mentioned what you said about the DAT as well, on Instagram. So do you think they may be DAT optional for the first few years then eventually change those requirements to be like other schools?
Tempting, but I'm not really interested. I'm making myself as competitive as possible after screwing up for a year and a half. I'm putting a lot of hard work into it. I'm demonstrating that I'm just as capable as someone who knew from highschool that this is what they wanted and overachieved their way into dental school. I don't want an easier option, I want to do it the hard way, I don't want any doubts about my worthiness or skill.
in my opinion, that's never a bad route to take.
in dental school, first years are super eager about specializing, and the upperclassmen always say, do your best in school so you can have that option when it comes to the time to decide, that's like the same principle. the other option is there but that doesn't mean you have to settle for it.
I love the idea personally. It feels like it’s target student is someone who, for example, has been an assistant or hygienist or are older or in a different career and want to switch up. Makes it easier for someone like me who’s older applying and been in the field already to get in. I am, however, finishing a bachelors degree this fall. I think just because they dont require those things doesn’t mean they aren’t preferring them. I love the idea that if I get in, I’ll be able to start dental school a year sooner. Again, I’m already an older student, time means a lot to me
Same here. I’m 46 and thinking of applying. I’ve been in the dental field since I was 20. First as a dental lab technician, then as a dental hygienist. I don’t have much time and would like to apply and get the ball rolling
that tuition too scary man....
their estimated tuition is $82,500 a year.. thats around the same as mine and every other private dental school
@@StudentDoctorEliwould you be able to join the U.S. Air Force/ military in general to reduce the fees?
if you want to
Does this school fall under ADEA AADSAS?
no they do not. the application is available on their website starting May 2023
This is such a terrible thing for dentistry. I can’t over emphasize it. Do we want dentistry to be oversaturated?
But some places (like my town) really need dentists though. In my town there’s barely any dentists and my local dentist was arrested a few weeks ago for murder (not related to his profession )😔 but some places really need dentists.
@@KCM1 new dental schools won’t fix this problem. New students will want to go to populated cities.
Why do you think like that? We only need more and more doctors/dentist in the world
Amazing opens up avenues for diversity! I hope it’s legitimate.
Russian dental school straight forward from high school. Russian dentist still have more skills than some of american dentists
I think if were being honest as a school you can say no requirements but how do you fare against a student who has everything you dont have, just because you saw it was no requirements. Also imagine the amount of applications they are going to have, how are they going to filter through everything in such a short time for admissions. From my experience I did not do extremely well but didnt do bad on the DAT and to me I don’t see a true coorelation but I totally agree with the GPA. You go from 15-18 credit hours in undergrad to 28-36 credit hours, if you couldnt manage 15 credits over 16 weeks you will for sure struggle in dental school, unless you just weren’t intrested in some of those undergrad classes so you kinda lolligaged through.
well said bro!!