25 field goals for Jamal and 15 for Jokic. 4 were either the heave before halftime or late shot clock ones. He kept posting up in the 2nd quarter and his team decided to shoot contested shots instead. To close the 3rd quarter Jokic was wide open for 3 and instead Jamal decided to take a contested 2 and layup. Missed and Knicks scored 5 instead. I guess Jokic is to blame for not passing the ball to himself?
I've been saying that all along.Murray doesn't look for Nikola.Once Murray is hot he just keeps shooting forgetting to get the ball To Jokic.Murray is the cancer on this team and at the end of the years they need to move him along with Booth.
@@charleswestphal3035the officiating and league is obviously 100% anti- Jokic. But I think Malone is just compromised by ownership/ gm. Murray just got paid insane $ and Malone is being forced to make it work
@@slimvickins5059nuggets avg the most FTA in the NBA this year or at least did before tonight. Jokic and LeBron the past 6 yrs though do have a horrid super star whistle (both rarely get 10+ FTA even though both hacked a ton in the paint).
Murray cannot be the primary ball handler; he just slows everything down and that's at odds with Jokic's quick-pace offence and the explosiveness of Westbrook and Braun/Gordon. He needs to become the team's mid-long peripheral shooter and Porter Jr. needs to be benched and replaced with Gordon for the starting lineup to be Jokic, Murray, Braun, Gordon, Westbrook. This is the most physical lineup Denver can offer with shooting balance and offensive/defensive prowess. Jokic or Westbrook to handle the ball.
The advantage of playing Westbrook in the starting five is that he can be the team's point guard, taking the ball away from Jamal, who plays shooting guard. However, if the team does the opposite, we enhance each of both player's flaws and minimize their virtues. Nikola is the best player in the world and the only one in Denver, along with Russell, who can lead the team on offense, creating open looks for the rest of his teammates. If neither of them has the ball constantly in five-on-five offense, the team cannot attack properly. Denver is the only NBA team that on several occasions, like today, does not repeatedly play through its best player and, in this case, the team's point guard (point center).
I'm honestly kind of relieved you guys saw it this way too. I don't put it ENTIRELY on Jokic because the other guys really struggled to get him the ball, but the lack of any post ups even when KAT was out of the game was jarring.
I really wish Jokic would do an Embiid and sit out 2 months. I would really like to see how these basketball experts would react and maybe think a second time what the actually have in that player. Its crazy how disloyal people are to a player for having a "bad" game, when these stats would be a GREAT Jamal Murray game. I really like DNVR but the negative attitude after a loss and the end of the world mentality is just crazy. Its called basketball.
let murray play more p&r/two men game and dribble the time off the shot clock with using jokic only as screener, and denver will finish as a play in team if they are lucky
Reality is Nuggets are not even semi finals team. Overpaid players, constantly inconstant on the rim. This roster needs a redo. Jamal, Porter, AG, Pwats, Julian and the rest of the bench are just bad. Props to Joke, CB and Westbrook, they always show up. Even if they have a bad game, cant blame Jok for bad game or two. Hes supermen entire season, the most reliable and consistent player in the history of the game.
Westbrook can't shoot and can't defend, sure his 2man game with Jokic is impressive and nobody is came close to that in the history of Nuggets ball, BUT you can easily get same production from a spot up shooter. And he can't defend, can't keep his man in front of him.
His defense looks better than it is if you watch closely. He gets steals and blocks, but he's often caught sleeping or missing a rotation, leading to an open 3 or layup and then the team has to rotate over and they're not quick enough to do so. I think Russ is being overused for what he is at this stage in his career. Bring him off the bench like he was supposed to, especially now that AG says he's ready to go.
Bro you Jokic glazers are ridiculous. This game was ALL Jokic’s fault. Stfu about Murray, he was the only reason we even had a chance of staying in this game
Once again murray was holding the ball way to much on nearly every possession, wasnt passing the ball to jok,was taking bad shots and like always, when Murray has a big points game, team assists are so much below average, his solo ball neglects the team ball that we need, remember when we play jok ball we are a top 5 team in the league, when we play murray solo ball we are nowhere, jok needs to have the ball in his hands all the time because he involves everyone on offense , he will always make the best decision for him and the team
murray jokic pick&roll/two men game is always the same, murray takes 90% of the time the shot. he never passes to jokic when the lane is open or when jokic is completly alone on the 3 point line. the other 10% he passes to jokic, it's only when he dribbles into opponents and has nowhere to go. and with 4-6 seconds left jokic gets the ball in a bad spot where he has to start the possesion new with litterly no time left.
Blaming Murray after this game is DELUSIONAL and I’m here bc I’m a massive Jokic fan. MPJ was dreadful, Malone was dreadful, the bench outside of CB was dreadful. Murray was one of the best players on the court. Jokic had a down game by his standards and any all time great standard. When Nuggets went to WCF & won title Murray was God tier offensively 2020/23 especially in the WCSF WCF & Finals. I get being frustrated with Murray for health luck and slow starts to seasons in October/Novemeber, but many like you are completely getting out of hand with the hate. It’s actually embarrassing. He had 33, 6, 5, 2 stocks on elites splits @ MSG vs one of the best teams in the NBA.
@@superdopehiphop it's his inconsistency for a 200+ Mio. guy. If you want to name one problem of this Nuggets team, it's Murray. Supposedly the second option on a championship team. If he's your second option, you are no real contender. So no, I don't think the critique is getting out of hand. If anything, the fans, the coaches and the other players need to call him out more.
@ he literally was one of the best offensive number 2s EVER on the run to 2023 title! In two career conference finals he’s been 1st ballot HOF elite! In 2023 finals he joined LeBron 2X, MJ 1X, Magic 2X as the only players EVER to avg 20+ and 10+ APG! He averaged 33, 6, 5, 3 stocks on elite splits vs lakers! He’s been arguably the best 4th quarter playoff player of the last decade (def of the 2020s). I agree his health and slow starts frustrating, but to pretend he wasn’t all time elite in 2020/23 playoffs is a disingenuous lie.
I agree. Jamal is a ball hog. And when he's not hitting his shots, he's hurting the team. When it's 2 on 1, he keeps the ball? Who does that? He's too predictable!
Jokic was really bad this game defensively, but the bigger picture is that if no big trade is made this season, then they have officially punted on this season. Also, Malone needs a reality check. Maybe he thinks he can never be fired but the same mistakes are being made repeatedly. He just promotes such an old style of play that most of the time this team is facing an up hill battle by losing the 3 point battle most games
Jamal Murray is becoming what I was worried about, in the beginning of the season he sucked, but at least he just stood there, now he's thinks he's the man like last play-off, but if Murray is your man, you are the worse team in the league...also Westbrick seem to be the starter now, we are exactly where I thought we would be, it was obvious that Malone will fall in love with him and we all know, that dude just can't keep his man in front of him, and that makes 3 of them now...Murray MPJ and Westbrick are tourniquets on defense which makes Jokic useless also, Jokic needs to give lot of effort to be playable on defense and he needs defenders on the floor with him...now he knows no matter what he do, they are getting 120 dropped on their head
When Jokic plays a rare bad game they talk about it so much, when he plays great he doesnt even get the segment in the show. You guys dont deserve Nikola Jokic.
@@vatri357 Yes, but i mean the end of the world mentality when losing games, when they suggest trades, fire the GM. And then after a win, "we look Championship ready".
@@FiveFactExpress you mean like basically any other die hard fans? i am tired of watching this team myself, watching how they play is draining. Jokic never playing defense and forcing everyone to work twice as hard on D is getting very annoying by now
I just think Jokic is exhausted already. He had a long summer and is carrying this Denver squad all by himself, the dude was checked out - hopefully for just a game.
I wanna preface this comment to say that I am a huge nuggets fan and love Jok and he’s the best player in the planet today. I just find it funny that some fans have the energy to always criticize and talk down on everyone on the team except Jok. We nuggets fans love him and know we would be nowhere without him, that’s exactly why this loss was so frustrating because it was winnable if he actually showed up today. You cannot blame Jamal when he was the reason we were even in the game while Jok picked up 2 early fouls and sat for a lot of the first half. I don’t know how it even makes sense to blame Jamal when he had a very good game today. Keep the same energy man, give criticism where it’s due. Me criticizing Jok doesn’t mean he should be traded or that I don’t appreciate everything he’s done for this team.
jokic was bad, but you cant win with murray/jokic 2 men game anymore. especially when murray takes every shot and only passes when he dribbles into opponents and has nowhere to go. he never passes when the lane is open, not one time, i dont get it why
🎯 I’d also add MPJ was bad, bench was bad besides CB, Malone wasn’t good either. Also Knicks 17-6 last 23 games with 4th best net rating in the NBA over those games + a bad matchup. Joker does have to be better than this. If he and MPJ close to their averages they win this game. The fact ppl would still hate on Jamal this game when the was 33, 6, 5, 2 stocks elite splits vs one of the best teams in the NBA is embarrassing/delusional hate.
@@christoph___833 that’s just not true, the reason the 2man game is such a threat is because both Murray and Jok can score or pass when the defense commits to one of them. And guess what? Most teams choose to stay home on Jok leaving Jamal wide open. That’s what the two-man game is supposed to provide: an open shot. Jamal has given the ball up to Jok plenty of times when the defense chooses to commit to him instead.
@@superdopehiphop it’s comical at this point, there’s an anti-Jamal agenda amongst some of nuggets fans and it’s honestly nasty behavior. They can’t even acknowledge that he’s been playing good for a large stretch (about a month and a half now). Yes he started off the season terrible and yes he’s prone to inconsistency game to game but the reality is that he’s been playing to his career level now and has had some very good scoring performances. Which is the reason why they were mad at him in the first place was because he wasn’t scoring enough but now that he is they are calling him a ball-hog or selfish.. his role on the team believe or not is to score the ball! You cannot win with some of these people 🤦♂️
@@bighoney9419 they literally hate watch Jamal. Is a self fulfilling prophecy at this point. They also seem to leave out outside of 1st ballot HOFer top1-100 players ever essentially everyone on a 40-60 million max is “overpaid”! They also leave out 2020/23 playoffs he was literally among the best number 2 (offensively) in NBA history. I get the frustration with his injury luck and bad Octobers/November, but it’s insane the way many ppl treat him even when he plays good to great. Be mad at the FO/ownership/coach etc, not him of the best players in nuggets history whose Apex is one of the best offensive playoff guards ever.
Basketball players have a warm-up before every game, usually shooting, a little running... and so warmed up you have to go to the bench because of the foul problem, it's very difficult to get going on the court because he sat out the entire first quarter and 5 minutes in the second, then you play 7 minutes and stop again because of the half time, this is impossible for the body that is used to a certain rhythm when it warms up. As for Jokic, after Jamal, he no longer passes the ball to him, and this can be seen in the best of the last three games. And let's be serious, Jokic will play like a machine again while the other players don't deserve even half of the salary they receive. MPJ is finished, they should have traded him when he had a series of very good games with teams that were not quite complete or were weaker than Denver. Now you need to introduce MPJ to someone again without having to add additional players or picks.
I'm glad that people are not fool with this Murray empty stats. Jokic was bad today but jamal Murray don't play team basketball ( at least no more). He don't make anyone better. You don't win the chip by letting Jamal Murray ball hoging and spamming fade away 2. He don't look for jokic, it's obvious. The 2 man game is just Jokic on the screen to facilitate Murray drive. Mf prefers to shoot his lame ass fade away 2 instead of giving the ball to jok. I don't understand. On top of that everybody is cold when he's hooping. Jokic and wes are the one who should initiate every offense.
End of the day Calvin Booth needs to be fired and likely Malone as well. If they wanted the long game youngsters should have been playing last year a TON more including playoffs to gain the composure and experience. Instead they middle grounded a dynasty and went young but didn’t play them delaying their growth while cutting short the first window. Along the way letting KCP walk was a horrendous mistake. Zekes deal is an albatross you can’t come back from. Hunter & Pickett taking up roster spots is absolutely asinine and not to mention the picks he just threw at the wall and left us now without sure fire trade able pieces. A PG/SG that can’t handle the ball when pressured getting MAX money in Jamal. MPJ who we know will collapse in the playoffs. AG has been overworked so much his body is breaking down. This shit is JOEver. 20pts up and 1 1/2 QTRs from a B2B title team to now what could be an absolutely insane collapse of a championship team.
Russ off the bench transition should start now. Bring him in for Murray in the last four minutes of the first to let him play with Jokic, then bring him in again in second when Jokic comes back in. He's starting to force feed Jokic too much.
Jokic was hungover from Chicago. They stayed in Chicago after Serbian night… of course he’s hungover. Not good timing though. Could have used those wins. Maybe this will wake them up (probably not though.) they could win the next 5 games if they want to make any effort.
Key Takeaways 1. Jokic is horrid on defense let's not keep sugarcoating 2. Team lacks heart and energy, just compare Knicks fighting spirit with our passive one 3. We don't have signature wins against good teams this season 4. Horrid team defense and turnovers need to be corrected ASAP 5. There is no Jokic Murray 2 man game....don't see it
Jokic did have a weak game, there's no talking about that. Passing was also a problem, even though Jamal had a good day on the court with shooting, it was not good that he was bad at passing and held the ball so much. He must have 15 assists when he holds the ball so much, he must pass without hesitation and find his teammate at the right moment, and not pass to teammates when they are in trouble.
Russ took 11 shots. He not taking shots away from anybody. Jokic didn’t show up last night. Yes, Russ can take care of the ball, but Jokic turns it over a lot too. We have to call a spade a spade. Jokic should’ve showed up. Jokic was not trying defensively last night. Nobody’s to blame, but him. The bright spots are the first few minutes of the third quarter. They actually had me thinking they were going to win.
If I ws Jokic I would go on a 2-3 month vacation to Serbia, let’s see where y’all would be. God forbid he plays 1 bad game in every 30 or sum he plays and people are shitting on him. Spoiled and ungrateful to the max.
Is Kerr going to cry in postgame press conference about SGA FTs like he did about Jokic? Even though SGA has more through 3 qtrs than Jokic had the entire game in which Kerr cried about? And is shady national sports media going to make that a headline, like they did with Kerr crying about Jokic?
It's not a big deal having a bad game in the middle of winter on a long road trip just before the All Star break. These are the dog days of a long season.
In the words of rapper Too Short. “ Peep the game and don’t be like Calvin!” Booth! “You should be gettin it, get it while the gettin is good! Get it while you can you should!” Wake up nuggets GM and ownership y’all dropped the bag!
MPJs hands omg so bad... I completely agree he is out of place and totally cant knock shots as 4th violin, even when play is made for him. In some sheet team he would avarage 25 ppg being first or second option, while we definitelly need 3&D guy. Trade.
“Belief in the core” lol This core of Denver is DOA. It’s beyond done. They flatlined long ago. Guys like Mal & MPJ who take up an absurd amount of your roster cap are mediocre at best. Mal is playing better, sure, but his negatives aren’t going away in the future. There’s no one quick trade that can be made to make them contenders this year. There are too many probs w this roster. Booth screwed up big time by giving Mal an early extension; they could have been in the Fox trade talks currently if he hadn’t done that! Saric? Zeke’s contract? Giving away picks to just get rid of Reggie? If I don’t know any better, Calvin Booth is a Trojan horse who was instructed to decimate this roster. And Malone isn’t any better. Bad rotations going into two years now? Not developing your young guys last year? Players not listening to him apparently? He’s got to go. And there IS NO big shakeup that can be done at the trade deadline. Why is this brought up? MPJ is the only asset they have, and who knows what his value might be, but I have to guess it’s not great. And they don’t have many valuable picks to trade & shouldn’t go that route correct? They literally have to wait for this summer when Murray & maybe even Gordon can be dealt. And yeah Jok didn’t have the usual All World performance, but he’s far from the problem. Remember who butters your bread.
If what Wind says about MPJ is true, that he is further down and not effective due to Russ, then he should grow a pair and fight for himself and show he is what we think he is. A great shooter. If effort is what makes you starter, and defence is important, CB should start, MPJ should come of the bench untill he asserts himself.
If it's due to another player it ain't Russ...it's Murray. Porter Jr. looked fine in a ton of those games where Murray was out earlier in the season....and he was on the floor with Russ plenty then.
Jokic looked like he was asleep! He fumbled the ball. He lost the ball. He didn't play defense. He's tired. I love him! But today was not a good game for him at all! Get him some help! Get Brown back, somebody good. Leave Christian on the starting team. We need his minutes!
25:58 that's the point!!!! Since 27 is playing "good" everyone else is worse! His impact on the team is terrible, he can't help anybody! Nobody is better playing with him! Fake stats are worthless! Maybe those empty stats can at best case push his trade value 👍
Jokic needs to get in the paint instead of standing on the 3pt line. Porter and Jokic are also awful on defense. Teams just attack them and get easy pts and assists. And Murray play lazy defense half the time. Can’t win when teams can score easily every play
CB needs to start and russ to the bench period. Long term its the play so why shouldn't it be the short term play. if westbrook can't help the bench then why do we need him?? If our starters need help then its time to trade someone but they don't. They just need to try.
42:00 (1) Who gets to decide _"he's a bench player"_ ? Please explain to me why Russ is a bench player and CB isn't. (2) What did the Nuggets do to _"appease"_ Russ. He was added to the starting lineup out of necessity and stayed there because they were playing well with him as a starter. I'm a Russ fan, but honestly I don't care. Send him to the bench, let's see how that turns out.
Well Russ without Jokic is shooting like 10% from the field...he's useless without Jokic...their two man game is incredible, but Jokic needs defenders and all that intricate passing can be replace by spot up shooter....so he's useless on defense and replacable on offense that's the problem
@UraStr Luckily, we have games with Russ playing wiyhout Jok and we know he's neither _"useless"_ , nor shooting _"like 10%"_ . How can you seriously say he's useless on defense?? He's a top 3 defender on this team. He even got a bunch of DPOG's from Malone. And he can't be replaced by spot up shooters. MPJ clearly shows that.
Is it just me or does MPJ always look lackadaisical?! I’ve been noticing him a lot appearing to give little to no effort. Regardless though his body language is always bad. Has this always been a thing and maybe I’m just more aware of it?????
Why would he try? When he plays well, he’s not allowed to shoot. When he plays bad, he gets benched. Jamal can stink half the season and he’s never benched. Imagine how DEMORALIZING that would be.
@ yeah I don’t know if I fully agree that’s why but I understand your point. Idk I just feel as a player that body language can’t be good for him or the team. I know it’s cliche but a good attitude and mentality can go a long way in sports.
@@RkwadTheHustla-oq4rotrue. I think Malone is compromised by ownership/GM and forced to baby and cater to Jamal, even though he’s more like Jamal Crawford type “elite” scorer but closer to a 6th man/secondary/third option scorer than people want to admit. Murray can put up buckets but it’s like ballhog/ And 1 street ball from the 2000s.
Hopefully no one ,after this,will be surprised when he ,just ,goes!!! I'm Montenegro/ ( old Croatia - old Belgrade)/ Telling u, enough is enough Take the ball yourselfs,, instead of mc Donald and gossip Unbelievable Yes, we get mad,and ...no..,, enough from kolonija!!!
Jamal is soooooo selfish and you think this is a team game. This is BS, hope Jok will get mad and ask for trade....god luck with so caled great player Jamal, he is a bench player in any other team but Nuggets.....max contract selfish as.
Obviously, this wasn’t Jokic’s best game, but calling it bizarrely bad is just an overreaction and pure clickbait. I don’t like how NBA media jumps to huge conclusions after just one or two games, as if that’s how things actually work.
Wrong. There is no meaningful talent out there you can get for MPJ. Not to mention Jamal is the bigger problem. They need to fire the coach to shake things up.
I can tell dev never picked up a basketball. Are yall not lookin at the numbers with Russ starting. He's not the problem. Its Jamal and MPJ with the inconsistency. I like CB but he's not a starter. He's good at times on offense but he still fouls 3pt shooter smfh. Then gets lost on defense at times.
He is the problem...he can't defend, he can't shoot...all the skill in playing with Jokic is useless, you can get the same production from guy who just stands and hits the 3 and Jokic line up with 3 bad defenders is very bad line up
Nuggets nation ... Don't u worry, Jamal is back... No need for 20 to 40 more games.... Denver is soooo back .. Jokić is happy, so happy... Nuggets nation.... We winning the 🏆 in 5 months... Oh wait.... We do?!? 🤣🥲😉🥹
And trade Jokić ASAP. He singlehandedly destroying Denver nuggets and Jamal Murray legacy! He can't win 🏆 with this defense like ever!!! Trade his bum a$$ 😳🗑️💯🗑️
Is it just me or does MPJ always look lackadaisical?! I’ve been noticing him a lot appearing to give little to no effort. Regardless though his body language is always bad. Has this always been a thing and maybe I’m just more aware of it?????
He is always like that. It’s even worse in playoffs. His effort during the championship run was so pathetic , if it wasnt for Bruce brown subbing in for him and taking a lot of his minutes , thery wouldn’t have a trophy 🏆
@ interesting. I’m glad I’m not the only one seeing it but it’s dad he’s like that. Dude should be happy for the opportunities he’s been given to be on a contending team. Some guys go their careers wanting that.
25 field goals for Jamal and 15 for Jokic. 4 were either the heave before halftime or late shot clock ones. He kept posting up in the 2nd quarter and his team decided to shoot contested shots instead. To close the 3rd quarter Jokic was wide open for 3 and instead Jamal decided to take a contested 2 and layup. Missed and Knicks scored 5 instead. I guess Jokic is to blame for not passing the ball to himself?
Murray is a cancer. I will live on this hill
I've been saying that all along.Murray doesn't look for Nikola.Once Murray is hot he just keeps shooting forgetting to get the ball To Jokic.Murray is the cancer on this team and at the end of the years they need to move him along with Booth.
murray is not passing the ball to jokic on the pick and rolls, its very strange...
Do these podcasters call out Malone’s bizarre rotations? Jokic played 24 STRAIGHT MINUTES with no rest. That is bizarre.
No they never call out Malone
After sitting 15 minutes straight
@@charleswestphal3035the officiating and league is obviously 100% anti- Jokic. But I think Malone is just compromised by ownership/ gm. Murray just got paid insane $ and Malone is being forced to make it work
@slimvickins5059 he would literally be in foul trouble every gm, if they called it like they’re suppose to.
@@slimvickins5059nuggets avg the most FTA in the NBA this year or at least did before tonight. Jokic and LeBron the past 6 yrs though do have a horrid super star whistle (both rarely get 10+ FTA even though both hacked a ton in the paint).
Murray cannot be the primary ball handler; he just slows everything down and that's at odds with Jokic's quick-pace offence and the explosiveness of Westbrook and Braun/Gordon. He needs to become the team's mid-long peripheral shooter and Porter Jr. needs to be benched and replaced with Gordon for the starting lineup to be Jokic, Murray, Braun, Gordon, Westbrook.
This is the most physical lineup Denver can offer with shooting balance and offensive/defensive prowess. Jokic or Westbrook to handle the ball.
100%. Murray spends way too much time on the clock trying to play iso and find an opening.
Mal dribbles the heck outta the ball. 😂 it’s ridiculous
The advantage of playing Westbrook in the starting five is that he can be the team's point guard, taking the ball away from Jamal, who plays shooting guard. However, if the team does the opposite, we enhance each of both player's flaws and minimize their virtues.
Nikola is the best player in the world and the only one in Denver, along with Russell, who can lead the team on offense, creating open looks for the rest of his teammates. If neither of them has the ball constantly in five-on-five offense, the team cannot attack properly.
Denver is the only NBA team that on several occasions, like today, does not repeatedly play through its best player and, in this case, the team's point guard (point center).
Exactly, we dont wanna see Russ off ball when hes playing with Murray. The only time Russ should play off ball is when the ball is in Jokic's hands.
So true.
I'm honestly kind of relieved you guys saw it this way too. I don't put it ENTIRELY on Jokic because the other guys really struggled to get him the ball, but the lack of any post ups even when KAT was out of the game was jarring.
It's hard to post up when you're never getting the ball.
Trade his a$$ ASAP. He sucks how dare he?!! 🤡🤦😆
@@anthonyb6842 you can at least get into position. He spent most of the night just setting screens and then drifting behind the line.
I really wish Jokic would do an Embiid and sit out 2 months. I would really like to see how these basketball experts would react and maybe think a second time what the actually have in that player. Its crazy how disloyal people are to a player for having a "bad" game, when these stats would be a GREAT Jamal Murray game.
I really like DNVR but the negative attitude after a loss and the end of the world mentality is just crazy. Its called basketball.
let murray play more p&r/two men game and dribble the time off the shot clock with using jokic only as screener, and denver will finish as a play in team if they are lucky
Reality is Nuggets are not even semi finals team. Overpaid players, constantly inconstant on the rim. This roster needs a redo. Jamal, Porter, AG, Pwats, Julian and the rest of the bench are just bad. Props to Joke, CB and Westbrook, they always show up. Even if they have a bad game, cant blame Jok for bad game or two. Hes supermen entire season, the most reliable and consistent player in the history of the game.
Westbrook can't shoot and can't defend, sure his 2man game with Jokic is impressive and nobody is came close to that in the history of Nuggets ball, BUT you can easily get same production from a spot up shooter. And he can't defend, can't keep his man in front of him.
His defense looks better than it is if you watch closely. He gets steals and blocks, but he's often caught sleeping or missing a rotation, leading to an open 3 or layup and then the team has to rotate over and they're not quick enough to do so. I think Russ is being overused for what he is at this stage in his career. Bring him off the bench like he was supposed to, especially now that AG says he's ready to go.
Bro you Jokic glazers are ridiculous. This game was ALL Jokic’s fault. Stfu about Murray, he was the only reason we even had a chance of staying in this game
Lol turnovers (Russ & Jokic) and poor defense (mainly Jokic, Russ, and Porter) were why we lost.
Once again murray was holding the ball way to much on nearly every possession, wasnt passing the ball to jok,was taking bad shots and like always, when Murray has a big points game, team assists are so much below average, his solo ball neglects the team ball that we need, remember when we play jok ball we are a top 5 team in the league, when we play murray solo ball we are nowhere, jok needs to have the ball in his hands all the time because he involves everyone on offense , he will always make the best decision for him and the team
murray jokic pick&roll/two men game is always the same, murray takes 90% of the time the shot. he never passes to jokic when the lane is open or when jokic is completly alone on the 3 point line. the other 10% he passes to jokic, it's only when he dribbles into opponents and has nowhere to go. and with 4-6 seconds left jokic gets the ball in a bad spot where he has to start the possesion new with litterly no time left.
Blaming Murray after this game is DELUSIONAL and I’m here bc I’m a massive Jokic fan.
MPJ was dreadful, Malone was dreadful, the bench outside of CB was dreadful. Murray was one of the best players on the court. Jokic had a down game by his standards and any all time great standard.
When Nuggets went to WCF & won title Murray was God tier offensively 2020/23 especially in the WCSF WCF & Finals.
I get being frustrated with Murray for health luck and slow starts to seasons in October/Novemeber, but many like you are completely getting out of hand with the hate. It’s actually embarrassing.
He had 33, 6, 5, 2 stocks on elites splits @ MSG vs one of the best teams in the NBA.
@@superdopehiphop it's his inconsistency for a 200+ Mio. guy. If you want to name one problem of this Nuggets team, it's Murray. Supposedly the second option on a championship team. If he's your second option, you are no real contender. So no, I don't think the critique is getting out of hand. If anything, the fans, the coaches and the other players need to call him out more.
@ he literally was one of the best offensive number 2s EVER on the run to 2023 title! In two career conference finals he’s been 1st ballot HOF elite!
In 2023 finals he joined LeBron 2X, MJ 1X, Magic 2X as the only players EVER to avg 20+ and 10+ APG! He averaged 33, 6, 5, 3 stocks on elite splits vs lakers! He’s been arguably the best 4th quarter playoff player of the last decade (def of the 2020s).
I agree his health and slow starts frustrating, but to pretend he wasn’t all time elite in 2020/23 playoffs is a disingenuous lie.
I agree. Jamal is a ball hog. And when he's not hitting his shots, he's hurting the team. When it's 2 on 1, he keeps the ball? Who does that? He's too predictable!
Jokic was really bad this game defensively, but the bigger picture is that if no big trade is made this season, then they have officially punted on this season. Also, Malone needs a reality check. Maybe he thinks he can never be fired but the same mistakes are being made repeatedly. He just promotes such an old style of play that most of the time this team is facing an up hill battle by losing the 3 point battle most games
That's bs. His defense wasn't bad this game.
Were we watching the same game? He repeatedly got beat and didn’t help anyone. It’s fine for him to have a bad game, just recognize it when it happens
@timjoseph4085 how many points did Kat have? You expect him to keep up with quick guards????
You are wrong. The shakeup is to fire Malone. There’s no meaningful trade out there.
Is it Malone? Or is Malone just working with what Booth and ownership give him to work with?
Jamal Murray is becoming what I was worried about, in the beginning of the season he sucked, but at least he just stood there, now he's thinks he's the man like last play-off, but if Murray is your man, you are the worse team in the league...also Westbrick seem to be the starter now, we are exactly where I thought we would be, it was obvious that Malone will fall in love with him and we all know, that dude just can't keep his man in front of him, and that makes 3 of them now...Murray MPJ and Westbrick are tourniquets on defense which makes Jokic useless also, Jokic needs to give lot of effort to be playable on defense and he needs defenders on the floor with him...now he knows no matter what he do, they are getting 120 dropped on their head
Trad3 Jokić. He so bad on defense and he can't win never!! He destroying Denver nuggets and Jamal legacy!!!
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Dev is the only 1 who brings good takes
When Jokic plays a rare bad game they talk about it so much, when he plays great he doesnt even get the segment in the show. You guys dont deserve Nikola Jokic.
Exactly, its crazy how stupid people are👌
@@FiveFactExpress I dont think they are stupid, they are just very very spoiled imo... whatever it is its annoying af.
@@vatri357 Yes, but i mean the end of the world mentality when losing games, when they suggest trades, fire the GM. And then after a win, "we look Championship ready".
@@FiveFactExpress you mean like basically any other die hard fans? i am tired of watching this team myself, watching how they play is draining. Jokic never playing defense and forcing everyone to work twice as hard on D is getting very annoying by now
@@Dezy623 I will not waste time responding to this, why? Well, read it yourself and you will see how stupid this is.
Jokic needs to leave Denver ASAP…Team cannot be fixed. Unappreciative fanbase, bad ownership, bad front office, bad city…
I just think Jokic is exhausted already. He had a long summer and is carrying this Denver squad all by himself, the dude was checked out - hopefully for just a game.
KAT is Jokics kryptonite
@@LukasP143 😂 KAT the Jok stopper, now I’ve heard it all.
I wanna preface this comment to say that I am a huge nuggets fan and love Jok and he’s the best player in the planet today. I just find it funny that some fans have the energy to always criticize and talk down on everyone on the team except Jok. We nuggets fans love him and know we would be nowhere without him, that’s exactly why this loss was so frustrating because it was winnable if he actually showed up today. You cannot blame Jamal when he was the reason we were even in the game while Jok picked up 2 early fouls and sat for a lot of the first half. I don’t know how it even makes sense to blame Jamal when he had a very good game today. Keep the same energy man, give criticism where it’s due. Me criticizing Jok doesn’t mean he should be traded or that I don’t appreciate everything he’s done for this team.
jokic was bad, but you cant win with murray/jokic 2 men game anymore. especially when murray takes every shot and only passes when he dribbles into opponents and has nowhere to go. he never passes when the lane is open, not one time, i dont get it why
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I’d also add MPJ was bad, bench was bad besides CB, Malone wasn’t good either. Also Knicks 17-6 last 23 games with 4th best net rating in the NBA over those games + a bad matchup. Joker does have to be better than this. If he and MPJ close to their averages they win this game.
The fact ppl would still hate on Jamal this game when the was 33, 6, 5, 2 stocks elite splits vs one of the best teams in the NBA is embarrassing/delusional hate.
@@christoph___833 that’s just not true, the reason the 2man game is such a threat is because both Murray and Jok can score or pass when the defense commits to one of them. And guess what? Most teams choose to stay home on Jok leaving Jamal wide open. That’s what the two-man game is supposed to provide: an open shot. Jamal has given the ball up to Jok plenty of times when the defense chooses to commit to him instead.
@@superdopehiphop it’s comical at this point, there’s an anti-Jamal agenda amongst some of nuggets fans and it’s honestly nasty behavior. They can’t even acknowledge that he’s been playing good for a large stretch (about a month and a half now). Yes he started off the season terrible and yes he’s prone to inconsistency game to game but the reality is that he’s been playing to his career level now and has had some very good scoring performances. Which is the reason why they were mad at him in the first place was because he wasn’t scoring enough but now that he is they are calling him a ball-hog or selfish.. his role on the team believe or not is to score the ball! You cannot win with some of these people 🤦♂️
@@bighoney9419 they literally hate watch Jamal. Is a self fulfilling prophecy at this point. They also seem to leave out outside of 1st ballot HOFer top1-100 players ever essentially everyone on a 40-60 million max is “overpaid”!
They also leave out 2020/23 playoffs he was literally among the best number 2 (offensively) in NBA history.
I get the frustration with his injury luck and bad Octobers/November, but it’s insane the way many ppl treat him even when he plays good to great.
Be mad at the FO/ownership/coach etc, not him of the best players in nuggets history whose Apex is one of the best offensive playoff guards ever.
Basketball players have a warm-up before every game, usually shooting, a little running... and so warmed up you have to go to the bench because of the foul problem, it's very difficult to get going on the court because he sat out the entire first quarter and 5 minutes in the second, then you play 7 minutes and stop again because of the half time, this is impossible for the body that is used to a certain rhythm when it warms up. As for Jokic, after Jamal, he no longer passes the ball to him, and this can be seen in the best of the last three games. And let's be serious, Jokic will play like a machine again while the other players don't deserve even half of the salary they receive. MPJ is finished, they should have traded him when he had a series of very good games with teams that were not quite complete or were weaker than Denver. Now you need to introduce MPJ to someone again without having to add additional players or picks.
I'm glad that people are not fool with this Murray empty stats. Jokic was bad today but jamal Murray don't play team basketball ( at least no more). He don't make anyone better. You don't win the chip by letting Jamal Murray ball hoging and spamming fade away 2. He don't look for jokic, it's obvious. The 2 man game is just Jokic on the screen to facilitate Murray drive. Mf prefers to shoot his lame ass fade away 2 instead of giving the ball to jok. I don't understand. On top of that everybody is cold when he's hooping. Jokic and wes are the one who should initiate every offense.
Perfectly said
End of the day Calvin Booth needs to be fired and likely Malone as well.
If they wanted the long game youngsters should have been playing last year a TON more including playoffs to gain the composure and experience. Instead they middle grounded a dynasty and went young but didn’t play them delaying their growth while cutting short the first window.
Along the way letting KCP walk was a horrendous mistake. Zekes deal is an albatross you can’t come back from. Hunter & Pickett taking up roster spots is absolutely asinine and not to mention the picks he just threw at the wall and left us now without sure fire trade able pieces. A PG/SG that can’t handle the ball when pressured getting MAX money in Jamal. MPJ who we know will collapse in the playoffs. AG has been overworked so much his body is breaking down. This shit is JOEver.
20pts up and 1 1/2 QTRs from a B2B title team to now what could be an absolutely insane collapse of a championship team.
Completely agree
1st is booth to blame then malone
Russ off the bench transition should start now. Bring him in for Murray in the last four minutes of the first to let him play with Jokic, then bring him in again in second when Jokic comes back in. He's starting to force feed Jokic too much.
Russ is our savior, LOL 🤣😆🤡🤦🤦🤦🤦
Lmfao murray sucks on most nights, if ANYONE should be coming off the bench it's Murray's sorry ass
Literally this is how I was saying the rotation should be from the start
Jokic was hungover from Chicago. They stayed in Chicago after Serbian night… of course he’s hungover. Not good timing though. Could have used those wins.
Maybe this will wake them up (probably not though.) they could win the next 5 games if they want to make any effort.
Key Takeaways
1. Jokic is horrid on defense let's not keep sugarcoating
2. Team lacks heart and energy, just compare Knicks fighting spirit with our passive one
3. We don't have signature wins against good teams this season
4. Horrid team defense and turnovers need to be corrected ASAP
5. There is no Jokic Murray 2 man game....don't see it
Jokic did have a weak game, there's no talking about that. Passing was also a problem, even though Jamal had a good day on the court with shooting, it was not good that he was bad at passing and held the ball so much. He must have 15 assists when he holds the ball so much, he must pass without hesitation and find his teammate at the right moment, and not pass to teammates when they are in trouble.
MPJ was awful this game
Russ took 11 shots. He not taking shots away from anybody. Jokic didn’t show up last night. Yes, Russ can take care of the ball, but Jokic turns it over a lot too. We have to call a spade a spade. Jokic should’ve showed up. Jokic was not trying defensively last night. Nobody’s to blame, but him. The bright spots are the first few minutes of the third quarter. They actually had me thinking they were going to win.
If I ws Jokic I would go on a 2-3 month vacation to Serbia, let’s see where y’all would be. God forbid he plays 1 bad game in every 30 or sum he plays and people are shitting on him. Spoiled and ungrateful to the max.
He's gonna ask for a trade now.
Is Kerr going to cry in postgame press conference about SGA FTs like he did about Jokic? Even though SGA has more through 3 qtrs than Jokic had the entire game in which Kerr cried about? And is shady national sports media going to make that a headline, like they did with Kerr crying about Jokic?
Shooter's like MPJ go through slumps sometimes. Earlier in the year he was the 2nd best player
It's not a big deal having a bad game in the middle of winter on a long road trip just before the All Star break. These are the dog days of a long season.
MAKE A TRADE FFS
In the words of rapper Too Short.
“ Peep the game and don’t be like Calvin!” Booth!
“You should be gettin it, get it while the gettin is good! Get it while you can you should!”
Wake up nuggets GM and ownership y’all dropped the bag!
MPJs hands omg so bad... I completely agree he is out of place and totally cant knock shots as 4th violin, even when play is made for him. In some sheet team he would avarage 25 ppg being first or second option, while we definitelly need 3&D guy. Trade.
Jokic was and always will be a traffic cone on defense
You know ball. KAT was too quick and too crafty to keep up. Bad matchup
Yes!!! He can't win 🏆 never! Trade his a$$. He sucks!!!!
“Belief in the core” lol This core of Denver is DOA. It’s beyond done. They flatlined long ago. Guys like Mal & MPJ who take up an absurd amount of your roster cap are mediocre at best. Mal is playing better, sure, but his negatives aren’t going away in the future.
There’s no one quick trade that can be made to make them contenders this year. There are too many probs w this roster. Booth screwed up big time by giving Mal an early extension; they could have been in the Fox trade talks currently if he hadn’t done that! Saric? Zeke’s contract? Giving away picks to just get rid of Reggie? If I don’t know any better, Calvin Booth is a Trojan horse who was instructed to decimate this roster.
And Malone isn’t any better. Bad rotations going into two years now? Not developing your young guys last year? Players not listening to him apparently? He’s got to go.
And there IS NO big shakeup that can be done at the trade deadline. Why is this brought up? MPJ is the only asset they have, and who knows what his value might be, but I have to guess it’s not great. And they don’t have many valuable picks to trade & shouldn’t go that route correct? They literally have to wait for this summer when Murray & maybe even Gordon can be dealt.
And yeah Jok didn’t have the usual All World performance, but he’s far from the problem. Remember who butters your bread.
If what Wind says about MPJ is true, that he is further down and not effective due to Russ, then he should grow a pair and fight for himself and show he is what we think he is. A great shooter. If effort is what makes you starter, and defence is important, CB should start, MPJ should come of the bench untill he asserts himself.
If it's due to another player it ain't Russ...it's Murray. Porter Jr. looked fine in a ton of those games where Murray was out earlier in the season....and he was on the floor with Russ plenty then.
Jokic looked like he was asleep! He fumbled the ball. He lost the ball. He didn't play defense. He's tired. I love him! But today was not a good game for him at all! Get him some help! Get Brown back, somebody good. Leave Christian on the starting team. We need his minutes!
Kat aka Joker stopper
Laughable
25:58 that's the point!!!! Since 27 is playing "good" everyone else is worse! His impact on the team is terrible, he can't help anybody! Nobody is better playing with him! Fake stats are worthless! Maybe those empty stats can at best case push his trade value 👍
Just guessing but i saw him grip his arm in pain very early. May be wrong tho
AG need Jokic
He can't play without him
They were two man combo but now it's Russ and Jokic
Jokic needs to get in the paint instead of standing on the 3pt line. Porter and Jokic are also awful on defense. Teams just attack them and get easy pts and assists. And Murray play lazy defense half the time. Can’t win when teams can score easily every play
CB needs to start and russ to the bench period. Long term its the play so why shouldn't it be the short term play. if westbrook can't help the bench then why do we need him?? If our starters need help then its time to trade someone but they don't. They just need to try.
Foul trouble … weird game …
AG/MP/Jokic is a bad defensive front court
42:00 (1) Who gets to decide _"he's a bench player"_ ? Please explain to me why Russ is a bench player and CB isn't.
(2) What did the Nuggets do to _"appease"_ Russ. He was added to the starting lineup out of necessity and stayed there because they were playing well with him as a starter.
I'm a Russ fan, but honestly I don't care. Send him to the bench, let's see how that turns out.
Well Russ without Jokic is shooting like 10% from the field...he's useless without Jokic...their two man game is incredible, but Jokic needs defenders and all that intricate passing can be replace by spot up shooter....so he's useless on defense and replacable on offense that's the problem
@UraStr Luckily, we have games with Russ playing wiyhout Jok and we know he's neither _"useless"_ , nor shooting _"like 10%"_ .
How can you seriously say he's useless on defense?? He's a top 3 defender on this team. He even got a bunch of DPOG's from Malone.
And he can't be replaced by spot up shooters. MPJ clearly shows that.
Is it just me or does MPJ always look lackadaisical?! I’ve been noticing him a lot appearing to give little to no effort.
Regardless though his body language is always bad. Has this always been a thing and maybe I’m just more aware of it?????
Why would he try? When he plays well, he’s not allowed to shoot. When he plays bad, he gets benched. Jamal can stink half the season and he’s never benched. Imagine how DEMORALIZING that would be.
@ yeah I don’t know if I fully agree that’s why but I understand your point. Idk I just feel as a player that body language can’t be good for him or the team. I know it’s cliche but a good attitude and mentality can go a long way in sports.
@ anyway are you seeing the same thing as me at least? Like body language and effort?
Hopefully it’s because of news he’s being traded
@@RkwadTheHustla-oq4rotrue. I think Malone is compromised by ownership/GM and forced to baby and cater to Jamal, even though he’s more like Jamal Crawford type “elite” scorer but closer to a 6th man/secondary/third option scorer than people want to admit. Murray can put up buckets but it’s like ballhog/ And 1 street ball from the 2000s.
Also, MPJ seems to be in a slump. That plays apart too. Jamal doesn’t deserve any blame he tried. Literally everyone tried, but Jokic 🤷🏿♀️
Hopefully no one ,after this,will be surprised when he ,just ,goes!!!
I'm Montenegro/ ( old Croatia - old Belgrade)/
Telling u, enough is enough
Take the ball yourselfs,, instead of mc Donald and gossip
Unbelievable
Yes, we get mad,and ...no..,, enough from kolonija!!!
Jamal is soooooo selfish and you think this is a team game. This is BS, hope Jok will get mad and ask for trade....god luck with so caled great player Jamal, he is a bench player in any other team but Nuggets.....max contract selfish as.
Obviously, this wasn’t Jokic’s best game, but calling it bizarrely bad is just an overreaction and pure clickbait. I don’t like how NBA media jumps to huge conclusions after just one or two games, as if that’s how things actually work.
MPJ and Strawther have to go. MPJ especially has been bad on both ends.
Wrong. There is no meaningful talent out there you can get for MPJ. Not to mention Jamal is the bigger problem. They need to fire the coach to shake things up.
Let's do kuzma valunchinas and saddiq bey trade
No!!! Jokic must go he destroying Denver he sucks!!!!
We NEED more 3 point shooting!
The analysis goes in the crapper as the Nuggets/Jokić goes. It doesn’t have to be this way, Fellas.
I wonder if there are better podcasters out there…?
I am tired of watching this team
Jokic is like LeBron will do bad to blame others so then he can go to next game and shine and blame other players he hogs balls dictates stats
😂😂😂😂😂 you're funny.
Agree they’re both 2 of the GOAT. Very similar!
Yes!! Trade his bum a$$. He never gonna win with his a$$ defense, like he destroying Denver and Jamal legacy, and why??? Trade him he sucks!!!
Crazy take 😆😂
Jokic helps Westbrook to shine. LeBron sinks him. That's the difference.
If we want to do anyting we NEED 3 defenders and shoters with jokic and murray
I can tell dev never picked up a basketball. Are yall not lookin at the numbers with Russ starting. He's not the problem. Its Jamal and MPJ with the inconsistency. I like CB but he's not a starter. He's good at times on offense but he still fouls 3pt shooter smfh. Then gets lost on defense at times.
He is the problem...he can't defend, he can't shoot...all the skill in playing with Jokic is useless, you can get the same production from guy who just stands and hits the 3 and Jokic line up with 3 bad defenders is very bad line up
Nuggets nation ... Don't u worry, Jamal is back... No need for 20 to 40 more games.... Denver is soooo back .. Jokić is happy, so happy... Nuggets nation.... We winning the 🏆 in 5 months... Oh wait.... We do?!? 🤣🥲😉🥹
And trade Jokić ASAP. He singlehandedly destroying Denver nuggets and Jamal Murray legacy! He can't win 🏆 with this defense like ever!!! Trade his bum a$$ 😳🗑️💯🗑️
why are you guys mad? You gonna beat the Lakers again and feel validated and good about yourselves again. After all, that's all you care about?
Omg, they r brutal... I'm blocked and so disappointed:(
Thank u:)
You'll so blind guys. U have Jokić for 10 years and still u blaming him, lol how blind you are. Smart fs 😆😉🥲
One day u are for trade, next u are not, now u are again guys. U so blind i repeat 😭
Kad vidis kretene ovakve bolje da ne igra
God you Serbian fans are actually the worst. Just leave you are clearly not nuggets fans you’re just Jokic fans. No one wants you here
Is it just me or does MPJ always look lackadaisical?! I’ve been noticing him a lot appearing to give little to no effort.
Regardless though his body language is always bad. Has this always been a thing and maybe I’m just more aware of it?????
He is always like that. It’s even worse in playoffs. His effort during the championship run was so pathetic , if it wasnt for Bruce brown subbing in for him and taking a lot of his minutes , thery wouldn’t have a trophy 🏆
@ interesting. I’m glad I’m not the only one seeing it but it’s dad he’s like that. Dude should be happy for the opportunities he’s been given to be on a contending team. Some guys go their careers wanting that.
@ it’s just bad for the team because that can be infectious.
It's all Jokić, he is only one who sucks on Denver nuggets, he destroying Jamal legacy bro. He is so bad my god ...
@ bro what???