You know what blew my mind? Ian quoting Louise's book at the beginning and saying that language is the first weapon ever drawn in any conflict. THEN the aliens later say ''offer weapon'' and it turns out they're OFFERING THEIR LANGUAGE
They had enough understanding of the heptapods' language by then that they could finally ask "What is your purpose?" to which the aliens replied "offer weapon". The humans took that to mean that the aliens wanted them to offer them weapons, but it turns out the aliens' purpose was to teach them their language
Another moment worth re-watching is when them couple of idiots try to blow up the ship, the alien that died stays behind to save the main character because it knows its going to die anyway because it sees everything at once. I explained that really poorly so it probably doesnt make sense
No I get it. When Louise finally realised that their purpose was to teach their language and she explained that the language altered one's perception of time, I remember thinking that the dying alien must have known it would die if it came to Earth, but came anyway
This dumb-as-heck Tapping-your-own-chest-and-say-your-name/species deserves at least 10 Sins. It's cliche, logic plot and much more, all on one, so 10 Sins are NICE and POLITE. If you actually know stuff about the subject, you find this movie way more groossly dumb.
They never said it wasn't part of Denmark, but that it can be identified by its own location. You don't label the British Virgin Islands as United Kingdom. It's too far for it to make sense.
yeah,the line was supposed to be the generals wifes dying words which no one else could have possibly known asides from the general. i think the interesting thing is that one of the movies themes is something called retrospective memory, the idea that if time was not relevant then we could remember future events like we remembers past event. this is what happens to louise in the film. time is not relevant to the aliens (or entitys.) so as louise begins to understand and become fluent in there language which is non linear she starts to see future happenings. mainly her daughter. if i was to hazard a guess id say that the generals wife had not yet died and that what louise says to him triggers a future memory in which not only is she a widow, which would mean the general is dead, but also in a reality where war had been initiated and the general had lost.
4:02 The reason for this question: she shows the army dude that the other prof. is likely to translate sensitive words (such as this ambiguous Sanskrit word) with a bias toward 'aggressive' meanings. The army dude realises that with this sensitive alien situation they need a translator to be more biased towards 'neutral' translations.
Si Barron That is a great explanation my dude. Except all the other sins pointed to the general being rather thick and would in no way support this explanation lol
@@AnimalFeaturesTV But isn't it great not to be spoon-fed every detail. To see this kind of revelations in forums/discussions, to be in awe, and to exclaim that's nice!!
At 3:08, the part when Louise asks "how many are speaking" and Forest Whitaker waits to answer is perfect. It expands the reality of the moment. He's a full bird Colonel with discretion on what he can and can not say. If he had immediately answered it would have been him knowing the dialogue. Him taking a moment to weigh the situation, helped immerse me in the moment.
It's comments like these that show there is a problem with CinemaSins that many people have tried to address and many fanboys have refused to acknowledge.
"I have always regretted that none of my films have contained a lap-dance. From 2001 to Eyes Wide Shut, I have constantly missed the opportunity to film one, and will forever feel incomplete that I could not achieve this simple goal." - Stanley Kubrick
10:28 Greenland is a territory of Denmark, so yes, Denmark is representing Greenland, the same way Washington, D.C. would represent America if a shell had landed in Hawaii.
that's why he said "over 1800 miles away" because if they were in greenland, the location should say greenland on the screen, and if they were in mainland denmark then they should be in denmark
I think one of the most important aspects of this movie was the way it destabilized our understanding of language and context. Ian thought this was a math problem so it became a math problem and Louise thought this was a linguist problem so her mind became synced with the Heptapod’s understanding of time. We fail to grasp the ways our language affects how we think of ideas. The reason future Louise didn’t remember the phone call was because it hadn’t happened yet. Future Louise and Present Louise are both memories of each other simply forgotten until remembered. Future remembered the present just as present remembered the future. Just like the last line was “I’ve forgotten how good it felt to be held by you” despite that being the first time they had hugged. The reason we skip the first interaction is to prepare us for the jarring jumping through time where that meeting has always already occurred.
Nothing about his movie "destabilized our understanding of language and context". That makes no sense at all. It's just a bunch of words thrown together that don't mean anything coherent. This movie did not cause any change in the general understanding of language in the real world. "Destabilize our understanding of context" is gibberish altogether. This was just a decently directed science fiction movie, well-designed to make audiences feel smarter than they are.
@@Dorian-_-Gray You missed the main premise of the movie, then. It starts with the translation and meaning of the Sanskrit word because it wants you to understand that just because you know the translation of a word in a different language, doesn't mean you know its meaning and how it may be used in a sentence or in a certain context. "Destabilizing our understanding of language and context" isn't just gibberish. It has a very clear meaning if you understand what the movie is truly about. The movie is about how bias can completely change how you interpret things
I got a good minute in and just finished watching the movie and then the rest of this! It was a really good movie. Too complex for my pea brain, but still great😂
See... I remember watching parts of this movie, before, popping in & out of the room but didn't really get into it. I'm guessing - after watching this - it's bc it's the type of movie u have to follow all the way thru, or u won't know wth is going on... so maybe I should give it another watch!
@@hayleynitschke8296 He missed a part where she asked (before seeing aliens for the first time) what do they look like and they told her - you'll see. It really looked like Amy Adams wasn't warned at all what do aliens and ship look like. Which is weird. She would be fully debriefed before entering. Otherwise it would be too much stress.
@@goranmilic442 Not necessarily. The army is not concerned with individual stress levels. In this scenario, they wanted fresh perspectives, unbiased by someone's attempts at describing the aliens.
8:10 It's explained that their language is not phonetic, so whatever names they have in writing have no English spoken word equivalent. You can call them whatever you want. I would've called them "Thing 1" and "Thing 2" 12:39. If aliens are writing on a giant screen you would want to capture what they write in very high definition, which would allow plenty of zoom capability. 13:22. Yes they understood English before they arrived. They pretended not to, to cause dread and anxiety, so the humans were highly motivated to learn their coffee stain language, as if their lives depended on it. Only then they would be ready for the gift.
I would say yes. But they wanted humans to have total immersion. Like in my Spanish class. The teacher knows English but she won't use it, so we are forced to think in Spanish.
Can we just appreciate this movie for not holding your hand? Her translation about the cows showing that she has a neutral bias to translating words in context, but you would have to think carefully to realize it. A lot more “show not tell” than most movies we see these days, like the gravity switching and witnessing scenes with her rather than her explaining them as she walks. Having an actually awesome plot twist and is epic and that most viewers would not see coming.
I'd like to explain that Denmark is representing Greenland because Greenland is technically still ruled by Denmark even though it's an independent state. Greenland : Denmark :: Guam : US
I'm thinking of moving to Aarhus but am not too sure where that 82% of English Speaking Denmark is. I don't want to roll the dice and move to the wrong town.
Indeed they would - While Greenland is largely self-governed, one area that Denmark controls is military and policing. Which an alien landing would definitely fall under.
@4:15 Forrest doesn't need to know the real translation. He needs someone who understands how language works in relation to a society. Cows were very important to those that spoke Sanskrit. This example demonstrates a theory that is the basis for the whole movie. Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis: that a language influences how its speakers perceive the world. Once she speaks in their language it changes how she perceives the world (and time).
I actually really liked this movie. It was a balanced amount of sci-fi and didn't have horrors and screaming at every turn. I legitimately did not know what was going to happen and had so many questions about the aliens.
The ending was lazy, they clearly didn't know how to end it or where to go with it so they made it into a shitty art film at the end it was bullshit tried to be thoughtful but it seemed more to me they just ran out of money, a lot of scenes use cheap techniques to avoid spending money on set stuff
SimmonSays sounds like a good watch. I tend to stay away from MODERN sci fi (except Star Wars lol ) because they add unnecessary horror, gore and creepy stories to it. Tried watching Star Trek Discovery but episode 9 of that was unbelievably disgusting.... so anyway thanks for your comment bc I do love sci fi and knowing that this isn’t as bad horror wise is v helpful ! 🙃
Majong is commonly played by millions of people today. It is readily available on devices everywhere. Not a stretch to believe that Louise would recognize the tile sets. Pretty sure you would immediately make the connection to playing cards if someone said King, Queen, Jack, Ace.
endorbr mahjohngg is one of my favorite games. Yet just the mention of the tile sets doesn't make me immediately think Mahjohngg Now...nothing she's done show any hint that she played anything like that. And her own life seems to keep her busy as well....hes mostly just sinning that it's like she knows EVERYTHING. While, king, queen Jack, etc are specific to cards mostly. Saying king and queen is one thing, but start saying jack and ace and it gives it away. But mentioning flowers....they could mean actual flowers...or the meaning we have set for those flowers to mean. Or the color or the location where they grow mostly. AND Mahjohngg That's the point of the sin
absolutely right Endorbr, except it may not be millions but billions, haha. Almost all Chinese know how to play Mahjong and there are billions. Also, many non-chinese play Mahjong as aps on their smart phones.
@NecroMelodia i can see saying it or such..but..cards are universal enough AND very specific. You don't have to know the language. Just like i don't know the language of every variation of mahjong. I recognize the images..it's just that certain versions would lead you to other paths of thoughts. Moreso than the deck of cards. Path of least resistance
When I was 5 or 6 my mom's pc had Majong installed, I am not saying that in age of 5 I was able to recognize and play Majong, but since that time the game wasn't alien to me anymore, so super plausible for a big brain linguistic specialist who happens to speak mandarin to know it.
The more important problem here is that this is your run-of-the-mill middlebrow Hollywood-style sci-fi movie, where the inferior, warlike yellows and their (completely invented position of) general-strongman screw everything up, until the clever, superior whites (which the movie is not smart enough to know how to represent convincingly) save the day. It did a good job, though, at the usual goal for middlebrow sci-fi: it gave its fans an inflated sense of their own smarts.
Is it just me or was this typical American? Critizing the difference between a zero-sum and a positive sum game, but way too lazy to just Google Denmark and Greenland?
Read the short story as well and from what I gather - she is not really living in multiple timelines, she is "remembering" the future. Just like any memory of the past, sometimes it is hard to recall clearly and immediately. Despite the deterministic nature of life, it is still worth experiencing, for the same reason we like to re-watch movies we love, re-read books we enjoy, or re-visit places we know well.
They label themselves as consituent countries within the Kingdom of Denmark, similar to how Scotland and such are considered countries withint the UK, but as far as international law is concerned, they are still regarded as being under Danish sovereignty.
This dumb-as-heck Tapping-your-own-chest-and-say-your-name/species deserves at least 10 Sins. It's cliche, logic plot and much more, all on one, so 10 Sins are NICE and POLITE. If you actually know stuff about the subject, you find this movie way more groossly dumb.
@@slevinchannel7589 most linguists found the film fine. The only sketchy part are the clichés of “linguists-as-translations” and the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis stuff. The bit you’re complaining about you should know about if you’ve ever taken LING101 at university. It’s called monolingual discovery, just hammed up because it’s cinema. All you had to do was Google a bit: dankoboldt.com/linguistics-in-arrival/
I'm assuming someone has already said this but Greenland is a territory of Denmark and I can't believe you didn't look that up, it suits your character more. I'd like to remove a sin and then one more for the movie actually being extra accurate.
It's not a "territory" it's an Autonomous Constituent Country of the Kingdom of Denmark. That means they have their own government, police, control over their borders, law, etc. They chose to leave the EEC while Denmark remained, so even though historically and culturally are considered part of the Kingdom, politically and economically they are very much their own nation.
They never said it wasn't. They're asking why Denmark is speaking for Greenland. It's like if the film said Great Britain or the United Kingdom was speaking for Scotland, Northern Ireland, or the Virgin Islands. Greenland is a semi-autonomous kingdom which can speak for itself, even though it's a protectorate of Denmark. We can recognise it has its own agency.
Stating something that you know has been stated cliche. At least you bothered to acknowledge the fact that you weren't the first person to state it. It still does not excuse you. Ding!
I think the sin about Ian & Louise not wearing their suits while the rest of crew still do when visiting the Heptapods is because they don't trust the aliens whereas Ian & Louise do IT'S A METAPHOR
Jake Johnson you can sometimes tell when a sin was legitimately thought of though, especially with continuation errors and plot holes. The ones that aren't supposed to be taken seriously are the ones that are so over the top ridiculous or their trademarks like the everytime a character eats an apple. Of course, you're also right to some extent. I never take any of these videos personally. It's just funny.
I think the fact that he took 3 sins off the film just for how it is, and that so many of the sins are jokes, shows how much he actually likes this film
Air Em Out Yes of course I was aware I was watching a movie, but I got so immersed into it I felt like I was there too alongside the characters. I think it depends on how invested you are in the characters/movie. Of course if you are half heartedly watching it you won't get wrapped up, but if you actually are enjoying the movie and just focusing on it, the film becomes enthralling.
I think Louise experiences time non-consecutively but still linearly, so instead of going from time A to time B to time C like a normal human she goes from time A to time C to time B, each moment doesn't lead to the next consecutive moment in time. That's my explanation to why she suddenly seems to know nothing when she meets General Shang, its because future Louise is suddenly replaced by past Louise who now needs to know what's going on.
14:21 NO! She started understanding the language, which makes her see into the future (explained in the movie), and seeing the book made her understand what happened. EDIT: That is also the most important and a GENIUS thing about the movie's structure. As she begins understanding the language, she (and the audience) sees flashes from her future. But in the beginning of the movie we (the audience, but not her) can see events from the future, mixing the linear time of the story and the movie, which makes it a lot more interesting and mind blowing.
Explain to me why she couldn't save her daughter? Why couldn't she do the same thing she did with the general? It's the same scenario: she does the thing and saves the daughter and 10-20 years in the future she hears from the news the cure for that disease was discovered and her past self could have seen that and saved her daughter. Same scenario, why is one possible and the other not? You might say: well this and that but it's just as possible as a world leader who you've never meet before walks up to you, gives you his phone number and tells you something he heard from you 10-20 years ago, that somehow you don't already know.... That is the problem with the movie, too many "Why?" questions.
The very beginning of the movie where she's with the child and all the flashes throughout the movie. At first the audience obviously doesn't know yet that those scenes are from her future, so we'll easily think that they are flashbacks because they are used in a very similar way (the editor of the movie also mentioned about this in an interview. Trust me, I wrote my bachelor's thesis about this subject so I did my research and analyzed the movies, Arrival was one of them).
Idk why people get salty when CinemaSins does their favourite movie. I love it when they do mine, its fun by mostly just poking fun at little things in the movie.
I just watched Arrival, then, right afterwards watched this. That and the fact that Arrival is a favorite just made it twice the fun. Too tickled for words!
This dumb-as-heck Tapping-your-own-chest-and-say-your-name/species deserves at least 10 Sins. It's cliche, logic plot and much more, all on one, so 10 Sins are NICE and POLITE. If you actually know stuff about the subject, you find this movie way more groossly dumb.
Exactly! Also, even if Greenland became fully independent tomorrow, it has 55 000 inhabitants. They'd probably get some outside help for things like translating alien languages, and since they'd still have a cultural / linguistic relationship with Denmark, Denmark would still be where their translators would be.
I don't really agree with the sin at 13:33, the whole point of Louise and Ian's job was to figure out a way to communicate with the aliens, as to get the real reason they arrived in the first place; hence the argument for teaching them kindergarten words. If Louise had managed to communicate enough to start understanding their language, I think it would be safe to assume she had managed to teach them enough to understand ours as well. Although, since we find out the Heptapods don't see time as linear, it would probably be safe to also assume that the aliens did in fact know english (and all other languages) from the very beginning. However it seems as though that would've made it too easy for us. I think the idea was that the Heptapods wanted us to actually LEARN the language, not just be given it. And of course to inevitably work together to finish learning the language. After all, they needed humanity as a whole to help save them in the future, not divided as they were.
the point was for humans(louise) to learn their language (knowing their language rewires the brain into seeing/thinking time like they do), they didn't want just to communicate with humans. when you learn a second language, most teachers don't speak the language you already know, they speak in the new language even though you don't know a word of it. After learning a couple of languages besides my mother tongue, I can totally understand the concept that a new language rewires your brain.
When you really think about it, they already knew that humans would learn the language, as in their minds, they already had. which is also why they knew our language because they had already been taught it
Even if time is not linear for them we can see that they can only process snippets of it, and if you did not do it in the past then you would not have it's effects in future See the China president scene
Day 27 is consistent with some parts of the movie. When they go back in before the explosion, they say it's session 36 part 2. It's also said that the shell opens up every 18 hours. 27 days * 24 hours / 18 hrs per opening = 36 sessions.
Lol...right! I was like...umm...these aren't "mistakes" in my eyes it is seriously ridiculously petty nit picking about set design and shit...dumb. This movie was PHENOMENAL. Point-Blank-Period... Frankly, I agree with you. The things they've decided to nit pick are so DUMB it only proves how extraordinary this movie truly is.
Jess Feldmann I, personally, found it very boring. Though that could be because I don't really like alien invasion movies (other than Attack from Mars and Aliens)
Cinemasins usually writes a short 1-2 sentence paragraph detailing how they actually felt about the movie in their description. In this one they say it‘s easily one of the best movies of 2016 and their whole team loved it. That‘s a compliment for ya lol. I‘ve only seen it once and that was yesterday but it is already easily one of my favorite movies of all times and definitely my favorite science fiction movie, even trumping Star Wars. Absolute beauty of a movie
You missed the point of the linearity of time - her mind has exited the linearity so she experiences things in the order her mind goes even though everyone around her experiences her in a relatively normal linearity of time. Which is a mind boggling and bizarre concept but still consistent with the logic of the movie
Sammy Martin glad I am not the only one who caught that. It's a sad day when cinema sins blames a film for the sin of its own ignorance... Take that sin back, and hang it on your fridge please..
blike22 obvious? So you saw that and the first thought that came to you was "uh yeah that's obviously not her actual child and just a vision from the future". Bull shit
What I'm sad he didn't sin is just how irrelevant that whole arc was. You could cut literally every flash to her daughter's life and the central plot would be entirely unchanged. Essentially, the whole thing was a waste of runtime.
I still love this movie so much! The twist threw me off completely. This and Interstellar are the types of sci-fi dramas I live to see!! Arrival was one of my favorite movies of the year!
The reason the twist throws you off is because the movie cheats. Why doesn't Amy Adams look even a year older in the scenes with her daughter which takes place at least 15 years later? People change a lot between 40 and 55.
Glenn Villeneuve, a western ascetic who has opted for a primitive existence said it best “when I’ve been out here long enough, I stop thinking in words”. I cannot stress enough how the ramifications of that are so positively world and paradigm shattering yet it’s simply glossed over; and honestly how many people know he said it, or such a state of being is even possible?
A sin to your sin; while knowing a language doesn't automatically give you "all knowing knowledge", when you've spent a lot of time with the language you'll pick up on things about popular culture. Such as historically potent games like mahjong is to Chinese speakers. So as a linguistic polyglot I find it very very plausible that she would know how to say mahjong tile names and their context.
LAMB SAUCE LOCATED that has nothing to do with the point I was making. I was saying that their sin was wrong which was saying that she would NOT have all knowing knowledge about mahjong and I was explaining why she would know that while not having the all knowing knowledge.
You are correct. I speak Spanish and I learned a lot of culture along with the language. It's a must to really understand it. On a side note, I know about mahjong and don't speak mandarin.
中国有几百种麻将式，武汉麻将，有四川麻将，上海麻将，长沙麻将...中国麻将有多少种？估计没人说得清，甚至每个村庄的打法都不同. Even the most cultured Chinese won't claim themselves Mahjong experts...typical western thinking.
lmao Greenlands Sovereign state is the Kingdom of Denmark. So thats their international representative. Like England is represented by the UK. Has nothing to do with education. Real ignorance is you saying that.
Biggest sin: there is no way a linguist trained in several languages would teach English to aliens. If they were going to use a language with a phonetic alphabet, they would use Esperanto. But, more likely, the aliens (which seem to communicate with language with no sound attached) would be more responsive to character system, like Japanese Kanji.
Yes, there's the military thing, but also english is, from the major languages, one of the easiest, with the most straight forward grammar and smallest vocabulary there is. Kanji is hard even for native speakers.
StarWarsomania Esperanto is simplest language that exists and mixes the sounds, letters & alphabets of all Latin languages like Spanish, French, Italian, English etc... Which means if the aliens learned Esperanto they could learn English, Spanish etc.. easier. Also, these are top minded scientists so they should ne able to learn basic phrases right? One sin for you! *Ding!*
The u.s. military is open to using other languages for communication. for instance, code talkers were natives who would use their language so it couldn't be decrypted by the enemy.
At 2:00. I disagree. She’s not just a “teacher”. She decripted some kind of “language” to the military a few years back. Im sure she got compensated for that. She also wrpte some kind of book? And no. Im not talking about the alien language.
Plus: You can be "just" a teacher and still have a great house. We don't know if her parents are rich or if she inherited the house and just get it restructured. And mortgage exists.
But she's a professor with tenure that the government consults sometimes, right? And she wrote a seemingly successful book, so she can easily be well off.
Academic books don't make enough sales for you to get rich on royalties (though the later one, about an alien language that allows you to control time, would probably sell like hotcakes). Does the military pay well for those kinds of services? Apparently linguists IN the army can get paid up to $1000 a month*...so if she only worked on a limited project it probably didn't pay much either. Regardless, if she is a tenure-track professor (not an adjunct), and this is a low cost-of-living area, she might be able to afford that house...but probably had to take out a pretty big mortgage. *www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/browse-career-and-job-categories/intelligence-and-combat-support/interpreter-translator.html
I was watching this on my streamer but hopped on my laptop JUST to comment on that line. The 12-year-old boy inside this 45-year-old woman is still tickled by "probably why he has so many child support payments".
A positive sum game does not strictly mean both sides win, one side could lose 1$ and the other side could win 2$ so it is a positive sum game, what you're looking for is a non-zero sum game where outcomes for all players have positive values
You missed sinning the dumbest conversation in the entire movie: - "Language is the cornerstone of society" - "No, science is the cornerstone of society" Yeah sure, but you know god damn well you wouldn't have science if we didn't have language first. But I guess they had to throw the "Hawkeye is a science buff" thing in our faces.
No, Renner's character was right. Pure science transcends language. See also mathematics, physics, astronomy, etc., which can be shared regardless of language and with instant understanding. It's also a core point of Carl Sagan's "Contact." That doesn't mean language is unimportant. But language is by its very nature divisive and localized. Science and mathematics transcend that. So I really don't think the point was, "Oh hey, let's give the guy who played Hawkeye a moment." It was earned and important to his character.
Agreed. I was expecting some massive, Independence Day style climax at the end, and was pleasantly surprised when that wasn't the direction the story went.
I agree, though they really ignored the world outside the landing sites. It kinda broke my immersion when they're talking about riots and economic collapse, but the military is still able to quarantine an entire state somehow. Also, I have a personal hatred of time travel/future sight as a plot device, but this was pretty well executed.
Brandon Stivers I think the funniest Cinamasin moment was when the sin counter broke in Fast n Furious 8. So yeah I look forward to the possibility of breaking the counter. ua-cam.com/video/uuCo7mHUQJs/v-deo.htmlm54s
SPOILER I know! You spend the entire film believing she's been dreaming of the past and then she asks the aliens, "Who is this child?" and you're like OH SHIT!
This movie is exceptional. Absolutely brilliant, and I don't mind the cinemasins video either. They said they loved the movie, so there's no harm at all.
This movie falls over if you think that you can have memories of 2017 and future memories of 2032 but not think you're going totally crazy because everything is different. She literally appears not age one jot between the two time periods and the film does this because it has to hand wave what would be observed in two seconds by any normal person. It's an awful movie.
Harry Underhill Its a movie.... They're works of fiction.... This should be expected. Unless you're an attention seeking troll in which case.... Enjoy your stay.
+Arnaldonintendo Yeah, that's what I figure. It just seems so... pointless to troll about this movie specifically since it's not even like a cult favorite that'll rile people up or anything. It's just a cool sci-fi movie.
People calling it exceptionally brilliant seem to have a blind spot for this massive plot hole that destroys the whole twist at the end and makes me question if I saw the same film as other people. And it's a bit rich to question why I need to share my take on the film when you yourself shared your take on the film. Have a bit of self awareness.
I don’t think you get the bit at the end where she is surprised that the Chinese general gives her information that is privatol to saving the day. You are looking at it in linear time.. she knew it was coming, but she didn’t. She lives in various times the news in the future was a surprise to her, she lived the past and the present at the same time. To everyone else, the general for example, yes they have lived the past.. but she had yet to live the past and the present yet. It’s like things were explained right the beginning.. the aliens form entire complex sentences starting at the beginning and the end and meeting in the middle, filling in the exact space needed.. this is how she lived her life.. this is why at the beginning of the film we are seeing her past whilst she sees the future even though she has not yet started to learn the language that give her the ‘power’
but in the future, the past shouldn't be a surprise. in every other instance she was shown to remember things that have happened (how would one live their life if that wasn't the case) and she should remember calling the general and stopping the epidemic. I mean that's literally what they are celebrating at that event.
It's basically if Matt Smith's doctor and River song were the same person. (Sin said "Timey-wimey" so you bet your ass I'll make a DW reference) One's future is the other's past, and they blend at certain concrete points.
I see it like this: If you could see time like Louise does at the end then you will experience every decision you've ever made at the same time but that doesn't mean you didn't have to make them. What makes it weird is that you can now make decisions based on information that you get by having made that same decision. So it seems like a circular fallacy but it isn't. This is what makes this language, the aliens and this whole timey-wimey thing so special. We humans as we are watching will never be able to understand no matter how hard we try. Only when we learn that language that only exist in fiction will we understand. It's a bit like the never ending story, it totally plays with your sense of reality and reasoning. You basically can't understand it, unless you're INSIDE the story taking part as a character.
+caffeineadvocate I consider laughter a response. But then again, there are only 3 kinds of people in the world: those who can count and those who can't.
That is a very fine opinion you have there, sir. However, I loved the movie. CinemaSins loved it too, as can be seen in the description. It was also nominated for Best Picture.
Should be ok for you, they went easy on it ;) Can't say I liked it, but apart from my personnal opinion, they forgot some sins... Example : if you have to introduce yourself to someone not talking your language, you'd point yourself and say your name. Almost everyone would do this! How can this not be a linguist's first intention?
I am young; 17. Doesn't change the fact this is my favorite movie of all time. I've been trying to watch some older movies, though. My favorite older movie being White Christmas. That might invoke a laugh, lol, but it's true. Have any recommendations for older movies?
The original short story this movie was based off of did a better job of conveying this, but Arrival is really about the way language effects the way you perceive reality. It’s a fascinating subject really. And can explain away some of the problems you have with the movie. Honestly this movie is amazing and exceeded my high expectations I had for it when I saw it for the first time.
Really, really loved the movie. A fascinating take on time and language. I still don't really get why Louise is apparently a lot better at looking into the future than at remembering her own past if what she used to think was the beginning of Hannah's story clearly isn't and she knew it wasn't well before it began.
It's always amazing to me that people don't read other comments, or at least ctrl+F Greenland (or whatever they are going to comment about) *edit: I guess a lot of people use phones and can't ctrl+F?*
Because it's like saying "What the hell is the US doing here? The only site with a landing shell that's not represented here is Hawaii, the movie is saying fucking US is calling the shots for Hawaiians? It's over a 2,400 miles away from the US." It sounds really silly. But the rest of the video is funny as hell though...
I have to say this movie is a general masterpiece. The soundtrack is just great and not cliche. The plot is amazing and as a linguistic enthusiast talking about the non linear of their time and language is very interesting to me.
You know what blew my mind? Ian quoting Louise's book at the beginning and saying that language is the first weapon ever drawn in any conflict. THEN the aliens later say ''offer weapon'' and it turns out they're OFFERING THEIR LANGUAGE
Bääääm why are u blowing my mind! i totally have to watch it again!!
They had enough understanding of the heptapods' language by then that they could finally ask "What is your purpose?" to which the aliens replied "offer weapon". The humans took that to mean that the aliens wanted them to offer them weapons, but it turns out the aliens' purpose was to teach them their language
Another moment worth re-watching is when them couple of idiots try to blow up the ship, the alien that died stays behind to save the main character because it knows its going to die anyway because it sees everything at once. I explained that really poorly so it probably doesnt make sense
No I get it. When Louise finally realised that their purpose was to teach their language and she explained that the language altered one's perception of time, I remember thinking that the dying alien must have known it would die if it came to Earth, but came anyway
So so subtle but so brilliant
Greenland is an autonomous country withing the Kingdom of Denmark. Soo thats actually accurate in the movie.
Mark Bonikowsky just wanted to write that lol
That’s a sin for cinemasins not knowing this.
If it had said Greenland they’d have sinned it for Greenland not being a country.
Or “In case you confused it with Greenland, Texas”
I'm glad someone mentioned it.
Also,
* *Ding* *.
Mark Bonikowsky I don't get how people don't know that I mean it's written in every map : Greenland (Denmark)
Denmark speaks for Greenland, because Denmark runs Greenland.
Greenland does not depend on denmark for diplomacy so no denmark would not speak for them on an issue like this
Greenland is an autonomous country denmark has little actual control over them
Oh my god! It's the beige one himself! You have been blessed!
@@ziegfeld4131 But Denmark still runs foreign affairs and defence for Greenland, so it makes sense Denmark would be there on behalf of them.
Shit its lindyoffwhite, how u doin son thanks for the tip on the easily googlable sin they added, thats a ree from me
Remove many, many, many sins for Max Richter's beyond gorgeous music.
I am shooketh he didn't take any off for a great score
No..Hans Zimmer
@@motrhead69 Nope
and those back for forcing the dude to play it for a sh*t movie
This dumb-as-heck Tapping-your-own-chest-and-say-your-name/species
deserves at least 10 Sins. It's cliche, logic plot and much more, all on one,
so 10 Sins are NICE and POLITE.
If you actually know stuff about the subject,
you find this movie way more groossly dumb.
10:27 Greenland is a territory of Denmark. It's not a sin, it's more like another sign of the film's credibility.
I was just coming down here to comment this! Gotta nit-pick my favorite nit-picker.
And Denmark is a territory of Germany, so...
ⵔⵓⴽⴰⵜⴽⴰⵜ it isn't...
ⵔⵓⴽⴰⵜⴽⴰⵜ Who told you that? It’s very wrong.
They never said it wasn't part of Denmark, but that it can be identified by its own location. You don't label the British Virgin Islands as United Kingdom. It's too far for it to make sense.
great film. in case anyones wondering , the line loiuse says to the general in chinese translates to "in war there are no winners, only widows".
Robot Raptor Rawr! Grr! rarr!
Sorry, had to. Obligatory Dino talk.
It doesn't make sense for me that they subtitled the alien language but not that dialogue
probably to maintain the idea that it was supposed to be an extremely private line
Robot Raptor wow that does not seem like it would stop me from going to war lol I thought I would be something else
yeah,the line was supposed to be the generals wifes dying words which no one else could have possibly known asides from the general. i think the interesting thing is that one of the movies themes is something called retrospective memory, the idea that if time was not relevant then we could remember future events like we remembers past event. this is what happens to louise in the film. time is not relevant to the aliens (or entitys.) so as louise begins to understand and become fluent in there language which is non linear she starts to see future happenings. mainly her daughter.
if i was to hazard a guess id say that the generals wife had not yet died and that what louise says to him triggers a future memory in which not only is she a widow, which would mean the general is dead, but also in a reality where war had been initiated and the general had lost.
4:02 The reason for this question: she shows the army dude that the other prof. is likely to translate sensitive words (such as this ambiguous Sanskrit word) with a bias toward 'aggressive' meanings. The army dude realises that with this sensitive alien situation they need a translator to be more biased towards 'neutral' translations.
Si Barron That is a great explanation my dude. Except all the other sins pointed to the general being rather thick and would in no way support this explanation lol
You're a genius!
That's message that could have been conveyed much more clearly, either way, the approach was completely nonsensical movie wise and realistically wise
@@AnimalFeaturesTV But isn't it great not to be spoon-fed every detail. To see this kind of revelations in forums/discussions, to be in awe, and to exclaim that's nice!!
I was looking for this comment... thanks :)
At 3:08, the part when Louise asks "how many are speaking" and Forest Whitaker waits to answer is perfect. It expands the reality of the moment. He's a full bird Colonel with discretion on what he can and can not say. If he had immediately answered it would have been him knowing the dialogue. Him taking a moment to weigh the situation, helped immerse me in the moment.
Agreed . It make more human.
Some times I watch cinema sins just so I can watch a shorter version of whatever movie he's reviewing.
perfectdaysofplunder bruh.... really?
It's comments like these that show there is a problem with CinemaSins that many people have tried to address and many fanboys have refused to acknowledge.
"I have always regretted that none of my films have contained a lap-dance. From 2001 to Eyes Wide Shut, I have constantly missed the opportunity to film one, and will forever feel incomplete that I could not achieve this simple goal."
- Stanley Kubrick
You're a terrible person.
You're robbing yourself of everything which makes movies great,
10:28 Greenland is a territory of Denmark, so yes, Denmark is representing Greenland, the same way Washington, D.C. would represent America if a shell had landed in Hawaii.
Pfhorrest Hawaii is state, they are not just a territory. Now if an alien egg landed on Puerto Rico or Guam then it would be like that.
thank you
Sins get 1 sin for poor education 🎵
Can confirm, lives there
Yeah.
10:28 Greenland is actually a part of the Kingdom of Denmark.
Jeremy confirms the American stereotype of not knowing anything about geography *PING*
that's why he said "over 1800 miles away" because if they were in greenland, the location should say greenland on the screen, and if they were in mainland denmark then they should be in denmark
Martin Macak Nope they didn't. They just got it wrong.
Greenland is mainland denmark... technically...
Thank you. That made me insane.
I think one of the most important aspects of this movie was the way it destabilized our understanding of language and context. Ian thought this was a math problem so it became a math problem and Louise thought this was a linguist problem so her mind became synced with the Heptapod’s understanding of time. We fail to grasp the ways our language affects how we think of ideas. The reason future Louise didn’t remember the phone call was because it hadn’t happened yet. Future Louise and Present Louise are both memories of each other simply forgotten until remembered. Future remembered the present just as present remembered the future. Just like the last line was “I’ve forgotten how good it felt to be held by you” despite that being the first time they had hugged. The reason we skip the first interaction is to prepare us for the jarring jumping through time where that meeting has always already occurred.
this is brilliant!
I like the way you think my friend. And now I wanna rewatch with this comment in mind
Nothing about his movie "destabilized our understanding of language and context". That makes no sense at all. It's just a bunch of words thrown together that don't mean anything coherent. This movie did not cause any change in the general understanding of language in the real world. "Destabilize our understanding of context" is gibberish altogether. This was just a decently directed science fiction movie, well-designed to make audiences feel smarter than they are.
@@Dorian-_-Gray You missed the main premise of the movie, then. It starts with the translation and meaning of the Sanskrit word because it wants you to understand that just because you know the translation of a word in a different language, doesn't mean you know its meaning and how it may be used in a sentence or in a certain context. "Destabilizing our understanding of language and context" isn't just gibberish. It has a very clear meaning if you understand what the movie is truly about. The movie is about how bias can completely change how you interpret things
Well it is based on a short story.
got about half way through, and decided to go watch the movie before you spoiled it, thank you for forcing me to watch an amazing movie :)
I got a good minute in and just finished watching the movie and then the rest of this! It was a really good movie. Too complex for my pea brain, but still great😂
See... I remember watching parts of this movie, before, popping in & out of the room but didn't really get into it. I'm guessing - after watching this - it's bc it's the type of movie u have to follow all the way thru, or u won't know wth is going on... so maybe I should give it another watch!
Liking your comment so more viewers will do the same lol. This movie is truly amazing.
@@hayleynitschke8296 He missed a part where she asked (before seeing aliens for the first time) what do they look like and they told her - you'll see. It really looked like Amy Adams wasn't warned at all what do aliens and ship look like. Which is weird. She would be fully debriefed before entering. Otherwise it would be too much stress.
@@goranmilic442 Not necessarily. The army is not concerned with individual stress levels. In this scenario, they wanted fresh perspectives, unbiased by someone's attempts at describing the aliens.
8:10 It's explained that their language is not phonetic, so whatever names they have in writing have no English spoken word equivalent. You can call them whatever you want. I would've called them "Thing 1" and "Thing 2"
12:39. If aliens are writing on a giant screen you would want to capture what they write in very high definition, which would allow plenty of zoom capability.
13:22. Yes they understood English before they arrived. They pretended not to, to cause dread and anxiety, so the humans were highly motivated to learn their coffee stain language, as if their lives depended on it. Only then they would be ready for the gift.
hahaha coffee stain language. But if they understood english doesn't that mean they could write it?
I would say yes. But they wanted humans to have total immersion. Like in my Spanish class. The teacher knows English but she won't use it, so we are forced to think in Spanish.
makes sense
I would have called them Sam and Frodo. :P
Grafight23
Never call an alien " thing" anything. Never works out well.
But Greenland is PART of Denmark. Sinning your sins.
Pearl127 cinemasinssins
Pearl127 i was looking through comments trying to find this comment
Yeah seriously, that's a lack of basic geography CS. Come on boys.
Thomas Willard that name has so many letter s's I'm sinning it.
now to be fair I don't think Greenland actually likes Denmark and Greenland has their own flag
Can we just appreciate this movie for not holding your hand?
Her translation about the cows showing that she has a neutral bias to translating words in context, but you would have to think carefully to realize it.
A lot more “show not tell” than most movies we see these days, like the gravity switching and witnessing scenes with her rather than her explaining them as she walks.
Having an actually awesome plot twist and is epic and that most viewers would not see coming.
Still too much tells Tbh. Knew the ending half way through the movie
q@@scifi_shop
I'd like to explain that Denmark is representing Greenland because Greenland is technically still ruled by Denmark even though it's an independent state. Greenland : Denmark :: Guam : US
I'm thinking of moving to Aarhus but am not too sure where that 82% of English Speaking Denmark is. I don't want to roll the dice and move to the wrong town.
Greenland is owned by Denmark (10:28). Ding!
It's not owned by Denmark... its a Danish dependent territory with autonomous self rule.
@Debo Datta yeah but if literal fucking aliens turned up in Greenland, the Danes are probably going to take over that situation.
Indeed they would - While Greenland is largely self-governed, one area that Denmark controls is military and policing. Which an alien landing would definitely fall under.
I was looking for this comment. Even tho they are autonomous Denmark would probable still be in charge tbh
don't look at the giant alien egg, don't look at the giant alien egg... dammit!
Yes i also watched the video. Thanks for reminding me
@4:15 Forrest doesn't need to know the real translation. He needs someone who understands how language works in relation to a society. Cows were very important to those that spoke Sanskrit. This example demonstrates a theory that is the basis for the whole movie. Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis: that a language influences how its speakers perceive the world. Once she speaks in their language it changes how she perceives the world (and time).
I actually really liked this movie. It was a balanced amount of sci-fi and didn't have horrors and screaming at every turn. I legitimately did not know what was going to happen and had so many questions about the aliens.
SimmonSays no movie is without sin.
CinemaSins LOVED this movie. They say so on the SinCast.
EDIT: It also says so in the description of this video. Whoops.
you act like its considered bad just because it was on Cinema Sins.
This movie got AMAZING ratings, its not surprising that you liked it.
The ending was lazy, they clearly didn't know how to end it or where to go with it so they made it into a shitty art film at the end it was bullshit tried to be thoughtful but it seemed more to me they just ran out of money, a lot of scenes use cheap techniques to avoid spending money on set stuff
SimmonSays sounds like a good watch. I tend to stay away from MODERN sci fi (except Star Wars lol ) because they add unnecessary horror, gore and creepy stories to it. Tried watching Star Trek Discovery but episode 9 of that was unbelievably disgusting.... so anyway thanks for your comment bc I do love sci fi and knowing that this isn’t as bad horror wise is v helpful ! 🙃
Majong is commonly played by millions of people today. It is readily available on devices everywhere. Not a stretch to believe that Louise would recognize the tile sets. Pretty sure you would immediately make the connection to playing cards if someone said King, Queen, Jack, Ace.
endorbr mahjohngg is one of my favorite games. Yet just the mention of the tile sets doesn't make me immediately think Mahjohngg
Now...nothing she's done show any hint that she played anything like that.
And her own life seems to keep her busy as well....hes mostly just sinning that it's like she knows EVERYTHING.
While, king, queen Jack, etc are specific to cards mostly. Saying king and queen is one thing, but start saying jack and ace and it gives it away.
But mentioning flowers....they could mean actual flowers...or the meaning we have set for those flowers to mean. Or the color or the location where they grow mostly. AND Mahjohngg
That's the point of the sin
absolutely right Endorbr, except it may not be millions but billions, haha. Almost all Chinese know how to play Mahjong and there are billions. Also, many non-chinese play Mahjong as aps on their smart phones.
@NecroMelodia i can see saying it or such..but..cards are universal enough AND very specific. You don't have to know the language. Just like i don't know the language of every variation of mahjong. I recognize the images..it's just that certain versions would lead you to other paths of thoughts. Moreso than the deck of cards.
Path of least resistance
When I was 5 or 6 my mom's pc had Majong installed, I am not saying that in age of 5 I was able to recognize and play Majong, but since that time the game wasn't alien to me anymore, so super plausible for a big brain linguistic specialist who happens to speak mandarin to know it.
The more important problem here is that this is your run-of-the-mill middlebrow Hollywood-style sci-fi movie, where the inferior, warlike yellows and their (completely invented position of) general-strongman screw everything up, until the clever, superior whites (which the movie is not smart enough to know how to represent convincingly) save the day. It did a good job, though, at the usual goal for middlebrow sci-fi: it gave its fans an inflated sense of their own smarts.
(10:28) Greenland is owned by Denmark. Adding a sin.
Cinema Sins is fucking retarded these days.
Is it just me or was this typical American? Critizing the difference between a zero-sum and a positive sum game, but way too lazy to just Google Denmark and Greenland?
Well technically, Greenland has their own government and is independent. But they are financially dependent of Denmark
But Greenland is still a independent country not reliable off Denmark.
One sin removed.
Greenland has almost no inhabitants at all, when world level events happen like this pretty sure Denmark will take over.
Read the short story as well and from what I gather - she is not really living in multiple timelines, she is "remembering" the future. Just like any memory of the past, sometimes it is hard to recall clearly and immediately.
Despite the deterministic nature of life, it is still worth experiencing, for the same reason we like to re-watch movies we love, re-read books we enjoy, or re-visit places we know well.
10:28 Greenland is kinda-sorta ruled by Denmark, which is why the map shows the landing in Greenland, but the screen labels the government as Denmark.
Greenland and Faroe Islands are part of The Kingdom of Denmark.
they are Sovereign states
HAHAHA! They even refer to both countries!
They label themselves as consituent countries within the Kingdom of Denmark, similar to how Scotland and such are considered countries withint the UK, but as far as international law is concerned, they are still regarded as being under Danish sovereignty.
I live in Denmark and Greenland is a part of DK
Greenland is autonomous but is also a part of the Kingdom of Denmark.. I guess that's why they're calling the shots.
The ending made me rethink my existence and zone out for like 30 min
Kiara facts lol
OMFG ME TOO
you must be 16 then
Kiara omfg same
Kiara this whole movie made me zone out and rethink my life choices
1:42 That is *literally* the way college students act when an alarm goes off. The sin is actually real life. Ding.
This dumb-as-heck Tapping-your-own-chest-and-say-your-name/species
deserves at least 10 Sins. It's cliche, logic plot and much more, all on one,
so 10 Sins are NICE and POLITE.
If you actually know stuff about the subject,
you find this movie way more groossly dumb.
@@slevinchannel7589 lmaooo okay bud
@@Kyle34562 That was the smartest you could come up with?
Wow.
@@slevinchannel7589 most linguists found the film fine. The only sketchy part are the clichés of “linguists-as-translations” and the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis stuff.
The bit you’re complaining about you should know about if you’ve ever taken LING101 at university. It’s called monolingual discovery, just hammed up because it’s cinema.
All you had to do was Google a bit: dankoboldt.com/linguistics-in-arrival/
@@slevinchannel7589 why are you commenting this exact phrase under so many comments. Obsessed much?
10:28 Denmark is calling the shots for Greenland because they control Greenland
I'm assuming someone has already said this but Greenland is a territory of Denmark and I can't believe you didn't look that up, it suits your character more.
I'd like to remove a sin and then one more for the movie actually being extra accurate.
It's not a "territory" it's an Autonomous Constituent Country of the Kingdom of Denmark. That means they have their own government, police, control over their borders, law, etc. They chose to leave the EEC while Denmark remained, so even though historically and culturally are considered part of the Kingdom, politically and economically they are very much their own nation.
You do not hold that power of removing sins.
They never said it wasn't. They're asking why Denmark is speaking for Greenland. It's like if the film said Great Britain or the United Kingdom was speaking for Scotland, Northern Ireland, or the Virgin Islands. Greenland is a semi-autonomous kingdom which can speak for itself, even though it's a protectorate of Denmark. We can recognise it has its own agency.
Stating something that you know has been stated cliche. At least you bothered to acknowledge the fact that you weren't the first person to state it. It still does not excuse you. Ding!
"I'm assuming someone has already said this. . ." says the comment right above the 37 other comments about Denmark.
I think the sin about Ian & Louise not wearing their suits while the rest of crew still do when visiting the Heptapods is because they don't trust the aliens whereas Ian & Louise do
IT'S A METAPHOR
Miss Keisha I wouldn't take these videos too seriously. Half the stuff is wrong or nitpicking because "comedy/satire"
Miss Keisha I agree 100% with that!
including a visual metaphor in a movie cliché. *ding*
*"It's METAPHORICAL!!!!!"*
-Taserface
Jake Johnson you can sometimes tell when a sin was legitimately thought of though, especially with continuation errors and plot holes. The ones that aren't supposed to be taken seriously are the ones that are so over the top ridiculous or their trademarks like the everytime a character eats an apple. Of course, you're also right to some extent. I never take any of these videos personally. It's just funny.
I think the fact that he took 3 sins off the film just for how it is, and that so many of the sins are jokes, shows how much he actually likes this film
Which no one else on Earth seems to understand. SIN +1
That scene where they first went into the spaceship and met the aliens gave me goosebumps and was sooo good.
Didn't you realize you were watching a movie and it was part of the script? I don't understand how people get wrapped up in fictional work.
Air Em Out what a shame u can't enjoy stuff like that .-.
Air Em Out Yes of course I was aware I was watching a movie, but I got so immersed into it I felt like I was there too alongside the characters. I think it depends on how invested you are in the characters/movie. Of course if you are half heartedly watching it you won't get wrapped up, but if you actually are enjoying the movie and just focusing on it, the film becomes enthralling.
I think Louise experiences time non-consecutively but still linearly, so instead of going from time A to time B to time C like a normal human she goes from time A to time C to time B, each moment doesn't lead to the next consecutive moment in time. That's my explanation to why she suddenly seems to know nothing when she meets General Shang, its because future Louise is suddenly replaced by past Louise who now needs to know what's going on.
You mean to say she experiences time serially, not linearly. Linearly would be A to B to C ... Consecutively could be A to D to F to B to L.
daveknow Yeah that's the word! Serially.
Exactly why Abbot is in a death process and not dead yet, as he is still living going through his own linear time despite knowing he already died.
14:21 NO! She started understanding the language, which makes her see into the future (explained in the movie), and seeing the book made her understand what happened.
EDIT: That is also the most important and a GENIUS thing about the movie's structure. As she begins understanding the language, she (and the audience) sees flashes from her future. But in the beginning of the movie we (the audience, but not her) can see events from the future, mixing the linear time of the story and the movie, which makes it a lot more interesting and mind blowing.
Not that I'll likely watch it again to confirm your ideas, but what part parts of the movie early on are from the future?
Matias Auramo indeed, their language begins and starts at the same point, so the story is told the same. Good job
Explain to me why she couldn't save her daughter? Why couldn't she do the same thing she did with the general? It's the same scenario: she does the thing and saves the daughter and 10-20 years in the future she hears from the news the cure for that disease was discovered and her past self could have seen that and saved her daughter. Same scenario, why is one possible and the other not? You might say: well this and that but it's just as possible as a world leader who you've never meet before walks up to you, gives you his phone number and tells you something he heard from you 10-20 years ago, that somehow you don't already know.... That is the problem with the movie, too many "Why?" questions.
The very beginning of the movie where she's with the child and all the flashes throughout the movie. At first the audience obviously doesn't know yet that those scenes are from her future, so we'll easily think that they are flashbacks because they are used in a very similar way (the editor of the movie also mentioned about this in an interview. Trust me, I wrote my bachelor's thesis about this subject so I did my research and analyzed the movies, Arrival was one of them).
+dan henry maybe she dies before a cure is discovered and therefore doesn't know the cure?
Idk why people get salty when CinemaSins does their favourite movie. I love it when they do mine, its fun by mostly just poking fun at little things in the movie.
I just watched Arrival, then, right afterwards watched this. That and the fact that Arrival is a favorite just made it twice the fun. Too tickled for words!
This dumb-as-heck Tapping-your-own-chest-and-say-your-name/species
deserves at least 10 Sins. It's cliche, logic plot and much more, all on one,
so 10 Sins are NICE and POLITE.
If you actually know stuff about the subject,
you find this movie way more groossly dumb.
@@slevinchannel7589 what subject? Biology? Film?
@@jamescallahan7000 ALIENS.
How cryptic. Which aliens have you met? The little grey ones, or the ones with plaster ridges on their skulls or the tiny furry ones?
Mate, Greenland is part of Denmark. Its independent to a certain extent And Denmark controls Geenland's foreign policy, your sin, not the movie's.
Ding*
Ding* Ding*
Yea, it’s like Greenland is to Denmark as Puerto Rico is to the US.
Exactly! Also, even if Greenland became fully independent tomorrow, it has 55 000 inhabitants. They'd probably get some outside help for things like translating alien languages, and since they'd still have a cultural / linguistic relationship with Denmark, Denmark would still be where their translators would be.
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Sin 59: Denmark owns Greenland
dialga reshiram exactly
I don't really agree with the sin at 13:33, the whole point of Louise and Ian's job was to figure out a way to communicate with the aliens, as to get the real reason they arrived in the first place; hence the argument for teaching them kindergarten words. If Louise had managed to communicate enough to start understanding their language, I think it would be safe to assume she had managed to teach them enough to understand ours as well.
Although, since we find out the Heptapods don't see time as linear, it would probably be safe to also assume that the aliens did in fact know english (and all other languages) from the very beginning. However it seems as though that would've made it too easy for us. I think the idea was that the Heptapods wanted us to actually LEARN the language, not just be given it. And of course to inevitably work together to finish learning the language. After all, they needed humanity as a whole to help save them in the future, not divided as they were.
ShadowReapers23 Yes. They probably knew English from the very beginning, but they needed Louise to learn the heptapod language to be able unlock time.
the point was for humans(louise) to learn their language (knowing their language rewires the brain into seeing/thinking time like they do), they didn't want just to communicate with humans. when you learn a second language, most teachers don't speak the language you already know, they speak in the new language even though you don't know a word of it. After learning a couple of languages besides my mother tongue, I can totally understand the concept that a new language rewires your brain.
When you really think about it, they already knew that humans would learn the language, as in their minds, they already had. which is also why they knew our language because they had already been taught it
Even if time is not linear for them we can see that they can only process snippets of it, and if you did not do it in the past then you would not have it's effects in future
See the China president scene
Day 27 is consistent with some parts of the movie. When they go back in before the explosion, they say it's session 36 part 2. It's also said that the shell opens up every 18 hours. 27 days * 24 hours / 18 hrs per opening = 36 sessions.
10:28 Greenland is a territory of Denmark, though....
*DING*
I'm going to go ahead and say the soundtrack of this movie deserved taking at least 3 sins off.
And I'm going to go ahead, give you a thumbs up and wholeheartedly agree with you!
You said it!!!!!! Best soundtrack in years!!!!!
True, especially on the nature of daylight.
Man, on the nature of daylight can make me cry like a baby anytime.
I'm gonna go ahead and downvote you all. Silence interrupted by alien farts is not a soundtrack
You know its a good movie if most the sins all turn out to be jokes, nitpicks or compliments disguised as sins
Lol...right! I was like...umm...these aren't "mistakes" in my eyes it is seriously ridiculously petty nit picking about set design and shit...dumb.
This movie was PHENOMENAL.
Point-Blank-Period...
Frankly, I agree with you. The things they've decided to nit pick are so DUMB it only proves how extraordinary this movie truly is.
Jess Feldmann I, personally, found it very boring.
Though that could be because I don't really like alien invasion movies (other than Attack from Mars and Aliens)
Cinemasins usually writes a short 1-2 sentence paragraph detailing how they actually felt about the movie in their description. In this one they say it‘s easily one of the best movies of 2016 and their whole team loved it. That‘s a compliment for ya lol. I‘ve only seen it once and that was yesterday but it is already easily one of my favorite movies of all times and definitely my favorite science fiction movie, even trumping Star Wars. Absolute beauty of a movie
@@jessarose2288 You need to not take this channel so seriously perhaps.
@@renes7280 You have low standards.
44 seconds in and she does the exact cursory glance you accuse her of not doing. Great job.
You missed the point of the linearity of time - her mind has exited the linearity so she experiences things in the order her mind goes even though everyone around her experiences her in a relatively normal linearity of time. Which is a mind boggling and bizarre concept but still consistent with the logic of the movie
Patrick Jensen it came out last year and it's one of the most intelligent movies i've ever watched
It's challenging, and it's a surprise something that is not MCU got made
I hate Hollywood.
Greenland is part of Denmark. *ding*
GREY666KILLER YES someone else that was bothered by that sin
Greenland is the sovereign territory of Denmark
Sammy Martin glad I am not the only one who caught that. It's a sad day when cinema sins blames a film for the sin of its own ignorance... Take that sin back, and hang it on your fridge please..
Honestly though, this was one of the best movies in modern cinema. It is heartfelt, touching, and totally recommended
PLEASE DO THE TRUMAN SHOW!!!!!!!!
an interesting story ,
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The Mysterious Gravity Falls Person yes good film but I think he sinned it already.im not sure
Yes I would love That!!
Yellow 13 bump. that would be awesome. i know they love that movie!
One of the things that made me like this movie so much was its use of "The Nature of Daylight" by Max Richter. That song gives me chills to this day.
I love his music!
i bought an entire piano just to learn that song
The reveal was only worth one sin off? That bombshell was easily worth 5.
He didn't sin the obvious reveal? Damn.
blike22 bullshit it was obvious.
Oh, good. Someone else that saw it coming.
blike22 obvious? So you saw that and the first thought that came to you was "uh yeah that's obviously not her actual child and just a vision from the future". Bull shit
What I'm sad he didn't sin is just how irrelevant that whole arc was. You could cut literally every flash to her daughter's life and the central plot would be entirely unchanged. Essentially, the whole thing was a waste of runtime.
10:37 Actually Greenland is technically part of Denmark. So yeah, Denmark is calling the shots for Greenland
1:52 I heard you laugh at your own joke, damnit
CinemaSins wait a minute...
It was a great joke though
I am dying 🤣🤣
I still love this movie so much! The twist threw me off completely. This and Interstellar are the types of sci-fi dramas I live to see!! Arrival was one of my favorite movies of the year!
The reason the twist throws you off is because the movie cheats. Why doesn't Amy Adams look even a year older in the scenes with her daughter which takes place at least 15 years later? People change a lot between 40 and 55.
Mega Frost Interstellar is way better
Mega Frost both are shit
I wish I knew about more, similar, movies!
There are a few good independent ones. Another Earth is the only one that comes to mind at the moment.
Best movie I saw from 2016.
BAD POETRY WITH: Phillis Wivers it was dumb!
No just you John, just you.
Liam Corbett You can act as high and mighty as you want to, this movie was still convoluted and uninteresting from start to finish.
No, it was quite the opposite. I think that's why people enjoyed it - welcome relief from Transformers and its kin.
not Moonlight , doctor strange, BvS, Silence, Finding Dory,Jungle Book, Jackie,Deadpool,Manchester by the sea,Civil War or La La Land ?
Seriously ?
Glenn Villeneuve, a western ascetic who has opted for a primitive existence said it best “when I’ve been out here long enough, I stop thinking in words”. I cannot stress enough how the ramifications of that are so positively world and paradigm shattering yet it’s simply glossed over; and honestly how many people know he said it, or such a state of being is even possible?
A sin to your sin; while knowing a language doesn't automatically give you "all knowing knowledge", when you've spent a lot of time with the language you'll pick up on things about popular culture. Such as historically potent games like mahjong is to Chinese speakers.
So as a linguistic polyglot I find it very very plausible that she would know how to say mahjong tile names and their context.
LeJacqline yeah but once they learn that language, the septopods could give them all knowing knowledge.
LAMB SAUCE LOCATED that has nothing to do with the point I was making. I was saying that their sin was wrong which was saying that she would NOT have all knowing knowledge about mahjong and I was explaining why she would know that while not having the all knowing knowledge.
You are correct. I speak Spanish and I learned a lot of culture along with the language. It's a must to really understand it. On a side note, I know about mahjong and don't speak mandarin.
中国有几百种麻将式，武汉麻将，有四川麻将，上海麻将，长沙麻将...中国麻将有多少种？估计没人说得清，甚至每个村庄的打法都不同. Even the most cultured Chinese won't claim themselves Mahjong experts...typical western thinking.
That's the first time I've heard the word polyglot since college. Nice.
You know Greenland belongs to Denmark don’t you so actually it makes total factual sense for Greenland to be represented by Denmark.
Yodibar *sigh* American education...
100%
lmao Greenlands Sovereign state is the Kingdom of Denmark. So thats their international representative. Like England is represented by the UK. Has nothing to do with education. Real ignorance is you saying that.
Brian of America Um... So you basically agreed with us while trying to disagree?
+sigh+ American education... [2]
Guilherme Souza lol you guys both seem salty
Biggest sin: there is no way a linguist trained in several languages would teach English to aliens. If they were going to use a language with a phonetic alphabet, they would use Esperanto. But, more likely, the aliens (which seem to communicate with language with no sound attached) would be more responsive to character system, like Japanese Kanji.
There's probably no way the US military would let her use any other language. No judgments, from their pov it'd be the way to go.
Yes, there's the military thing, but also english is, from the major languages, one of the easiest, with the most straight forward grammar and smallest vocabulary there is. Kanji is hard even for native speakers.
...why on Earth would you ever teach them a language that literally nobody uses? That would be so stupid, it would the the opposite of genius.
StarWarsomania Esperanto is simplest language that exists and mixes the sounds, letters & alphabets of all Latin languages like Spanish, French, Italian, English etc... Which means if the aliens learned Esperanto they could learn English, Spanish etc.. easier. Also, these are top minded scientists so they should ne able to learn basic phrases right? One sin for you! *Ding!*
The u.s. military is open to using other languages for communication. for instance, code talkers were natives who would use their language so it couldn't be decrypted by the enemy.
lets be honest, you'd sin them for the instant reveal of the alien ship if they had done that
You know a movie is good if it gets less than 100 sins on CinemaSins
Nicolas Matteo OMG YES LOL not even bonus sins
Heliogabalus Roses it’s just a movie man calm down
Nicolas Matteo it doesn't make it good. It could be a critically hated movie, and it can still get less than 100 sins
Heliogabalus Roses you okay.
That ain't true, my friend. Frozen had less than a 100 sins, but it still sucks as hell.
I'd just like to appreciate the fact that the child support payment sin sounds like it has a slight chuckle from Jeremy in it.
At 2:00. I disagree.
She’s not just a “teacher”. She decripted some kind of “language” to the military a few years back. Im sure she got compensated for that. She also wrpte some kind of book? And no. Im not talking about the alien language.
She definetly wrote the book Ian is reading in the helicopter.
Plus: You can be "just" a teacher and still have a great house. We don't know if her parents are rich or if she inherited the house and just get it restructured. And mortgage exists.
And real state is a lot cheaper in Montana, in the middle of nowhere than say, along Malibu Beach.
But she's a professor with tenure that the government consults sometimes, right? And she wrote a seemingly successful book, so she can easily be well off.
Academic books don't make enough sales for you to get rich on royalties (though the later one, about an alien language that allows you to control time, would probably sell like hotcakes).
Does the military pay well for those kinds of services? Apparently linguists IN the army can get paid up to $1000 a month*...so if she only worked on a limited project it probably didn't pay much either.
Regardless, if she is a tenure-track professor (not an adjunct), and this is a low cost-of-living area, she might be able to afford that house...but probably had to take out a pretty big mortgage.
*www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/browse-career-and-job-categories/intelligence-and-combat-support/interpreter-translator.html
I will forever be your biggest fan just for the Ghost Dog reference alone. lol
Greenland is actually owned by Denmark, hence why Denmark is communicating with the other countries.
Self-governing country within the Danish Kingdom. Greenland is "owned" by the Greenlandic people.
Add one Geography sin
1:50 I love how he giggled while he read that😂😂😂
Oculus 89 i only just got the throw away joke. Haha
I wonder how many times he had to redo that line before he could do even that.
It's like he felt so proud of himself
I was watching this on my streamer but hopped on my laptop JUST to comment on that line. The 12-year-old boy inside this 45-year-old woman is still tickled by "probably why he has so many child support payments".
"12-year-old boy inside this 45-year-old woman"....something isn't adding up here.
1:52, I love that you can hear the bit of laughing from his own line
This is in my all-time top 3. No movie is without sin, but this film is a god damned masterpiece.
@cinemasins: Greenland is part of the Kingdom of Denmark. One sin for Cinemasins :)
A positive sum game does not strictly mean both sides win, one side could lose 1$ and the other side could win 2$ so it is a positive sum game, what you're looking for is a non-zero sum game where outcomes for all players have positive values
So a natural sum game?
You need some geography lessons there in CinemaSins!
Hart _ for what?
Greenland is Danish :p
You missed sinning the dumbest conversation in the entire movie:
- "Language is the cornerstone of society"
- "No, science is the cornerstone of society"
Yeah sure, but you know god damn well you wouldn't have science if we didn't have language first. But I guess they had to throw the "Hawkeye is a science buff" thing in our faces.
yea. They probably wrote that line thru gritted teeth. Contradicts most of the movies claims to language as fundamental to our way of thought.
Maths, physics, biology, equations don't need translation. It is a language itself
No, Renner's character was right. Pure science transcends language. See also mathematics, physics, astronomy, etc., which can be shared regardless of language and with instant understanding. It's also a core point of Carl Sagan's "Contact."
That doesn't mean language is unimportant. But language is by its very nature divisive and localized. Science and mathematics transcend that.
So I really don't think the point was, "Oh hey, let's give the guy who played Hawkeye a moment." It was earned and important to his character.
I really enjoyed this movie, went away from the standard aliens arrival concept and actually did well with it.
Agreed. I was expecting some massive, Independence Day style climax at the end, and was pleasantly surprised when that wasn't the direction the story went.
I agree, though they really ignored the world outside the landing sites. It kinda broke my immersion when they're talking about riots and economic collapse, but the military is still able to quarantine an entire state somehow. Also, I have a personal hatred of time travel/future sight as a plot device, but this was pretty well executed.
QUEENDOM Oh well. To each their own.
I guess for some people, there was not enough action.... sigh...
agree with you i like deep movies but this just ends up boring....
We are still waiting for Sharknado.
indeed we are
RGB Reading The whole Movie is a sin.
Do you want the sin counter to die?
Brandon Stivers
I think the funniest Cinamasin moment was when the sin counter broke in Fast n Furious 8. So yeah I look forward to the possibility of breaking the counter. ua-cam.com/video/uuCo7mHUQJs/v-deo.htmlm54s
Lol, it did? I've never paid much attention to Fast and Furious
"I'm human. What are you?"
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Dead 😂😂😂
stevechambers500 its not martain unless they came from mars
stevechambers500 damn unlucky
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A moreron
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11:45 _Ahem_
*"A High Seven"*
Technically she'd still be giving him a high 5, but he'd be giving her the high 7.
Sin fail!
Greenland is an autonomous constituent country within the Kingdom of Denmark
whitestripee thank you
6:08 - The "last guy" was likely a military officer in WAY over his head that someone somewhere said, "Uh, yeah General. Send 'HIM' in."
THIS MOVIE HAD THE BEST TWIST
SPOILER
I know! You spend the entire film believing she's been dreaming of the past and then she asks the aliens, "Who is this child?" and you're like OH SHIT!
m8, will u check this out, a kind of cinemasins spinoff ARRIVAL (2016) ua-cam.com/video/h78ZkGiN4AQ/v-deo.html
Incindies too
It's a horror movie
Two words: Shutter Island
Sin 47, they explain that their symbols and their sounds have no correlation to their sounds, unlike any language on Earth
This movie is exceptional. Absolutely brilliant, and I don't mind the cinemasins video either. They said they loved the movie, so there's no harm at all.
This movie falls over if you think that you can have memories of 2017 and future memories of 2032 but not think you're going totally crazy because everything is different. She literally appears not age one jot between the two time periods and the film does this because it has to hand wave what would be observed in two seconds by any normal person. It's an awful movie.
I don't know why you felt the need to share your hot take on this but I don't give a shit lol.
Harry Underhill Its a movie.... They're works of fiction.... This should be expected. Unless you're an attention seeking troll in which case.... Enjoy your stay.
+Arnaldonintendo Yeah, that's what I figure. It just seems so... pointless to troll about this movie specifically since it's not even like a cult favorite that'll rile people up or anything. It's just a cool sci-fi movie.
People calling it exceptionally brilliant seem to have a blind spot for this massive plot hole that destroys the whole twist at the end and makes me question if I saw the same film as other people. And it's a bit rich to question why I need to share my take on the film when you yourself shared your take on the film. Have a bit of self awareness.
#2 on trending!!! WOO
love this video!
Jennifer Fix #6th
i fell asleep in the middle of that movie, so i dont really know if i like the movie.
#3
Stop lying, guys. This vid is not in trending list, well, yeah, at least in my country
Greenland is part of the kingdom of Denmark, remove one sin.
lol
6:14 People on that base would be completely isolated from everything. There wouldn't be TVs, internet access, or family chats.
I don’t think you get the bit at the end where she is surprised that the Chinese general gives her information that is privatol to saving the day. You are looking at it in linear time.. she knew it was coming, but she didn’t. She lives in various times the news in the future was a surprise to her, she lived the past and the present at the same time. To everyone else, the general for example, yes they have lived the past.. but she had yet to live the past and the present yet. It’s like things were explained right the beginning.. the aliens form entire complex sentences starting at the beginning and the end and meeting in the middle, filling in the exact space needed.. this is how she lived her life.. this is why at the beginning of the film we are seeing her past whilst she sees the future even though she has not yet started to learn the language that give her the ‘power’
Bullshit Generator
but in the future, the past shouldn't be a surprise. in every other instance she was shown to remember things that have happened (how would one live their life if that wasn't the case) and she should remember calling the general and stopping the epidemic. I mean that's literally what they are celebrating at that event.
It's basically if Matt Smith's doctor and River song were the same person. (Sin said "Timey-wimey" so you bet your ass I'll make a DW reference) One's future is the other's past, and they blend at certain concrete points.
I see it like this: If you could see time like Louise does at the end then you will experience every decision you've ever made at the same time but that doesn't mean you didn't have to make them. What makes it weird is that you can now make decisions based on information that you get by having made that same decision. So it seems like a circular fallacy but it isn't. This is what makes this language, the aliens and this whole timey-wimey thing so special. We humans as we are watching will never be able to understand no matter how hard we try. Only when we learn that language that only exist in fiction will we understand.
It's a bit like the never ending story, it totally plays with your sense of reality and reasoning. You basically can't understand it, unless you're INSIDE the story taking part as a character.
Actually, you didn't understand it yourself. Her being surprised at that point made no sense.
Three comments:
-You said, "Geez Louise"
-I liked your Subway joke
-Oh... Billy... Hahahahahaha
i didn't get the subway joke. can you explain
it looks like a subway sandwich
that's 2?
Nightwolf - I consider laughter a comment?
+caffeineadvocate I consider laughter a response. But then again, there are only 3 kinds of people in the world: those who can count and those who can't.
*Takes deep breath as CinemaSins prepares to trash my favorite movie of all time*
Elite Lens Films this movie was garbage
That is a very fine opinion you have there, sir. However, I loved the movie. CinemaSins loved it too, as can be seen in the description. It was also nominated for Best Picture.
Favorite movie of all time? You are young.
Should be ok for you, they went easy on it ;)
Can't say I liked it, but apart from my personnal opinion, they forgot some sins...
Example : if you have to introduce yourself to someone not talking your language, you'd point yourself and say your name. Almost everyone would do this! How can this not be a linguist's first intention?
I am young; 17. Doesn't change the fact this is my favorite movie of all time. I've been trying to watch some older movies, though. My favorite older movie being White Christmas. That might invoke a laugh, lol, but it's true. Have any recommendations for older movies?
This was a genuinely good EWW video, with no excessive nit-picking. I could tell y’all really enjoyed this movie. 10/10. 5 stars
The original short story this movie was based off of did a better job of conveying this, but Arrival is really about the way language effects the way you perceive reality. It’s a fascinating subject really. And can explain away some of the problems you have with the movie. Honestly this movie is amazing and exceeded my high expectations I had for it when I saw it for the first time.
"I'm human - what are you?"
- "MY NAME A JEFF."
10:37
Massively ignorant. Greenland is under Danish rule. Seriously Cinema sins? What's next? African Tiger in an Indian Jungle?
Oh wait....
Not entirely under Danish rule.
+Anna Woodman
Sorry for setting a high standard for members of the smartest species on earth.
+lzydwg
Nope, that's what made it even more stupid when they said it in their "Everything wrong with the Jungle Book" video.
RP that’s right but it is the danish military there is controlled up there and a aliens ship will sent the military in to it
smartest species on earth? hope you're referring to dolphins and whales because humans are dumb as shit.
Really, really loved the movie. A fascinating take on time and language.
I still don't really get why Louise is apparently a lot better at looking into the future than at remembering her own past if what she used to think was the beginning of Hannah's story clearly isn't and she knew it wasn't well before it began.
“Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey” I didn’t know if it was possible to love you guys more, but here I stand corrected.
They still can't pronounce Dalek.
"Sentence: Blade Runner 2049 underperforming at the Box Office!" - Ouch!
I wanted funny comments I was disappointed that Greenland is the only thing important here
It's always amazing to me that people don't read other comments, or at least ctrl+F Greenland (or whatever they are going to comment about) *edit: I guess a lot of people use phones and can't ctrl+F?*
I use my phone, and "find in page" is a standard part of the Chrome browser.
@@hollt693
Nevermind my edit, I'm back to being full amazed then!
Because it's like saying "What the hell is the US doing here? The only site with a landing shell that's not represented here is Hawaii, the movie is saying fucking US is calling the shots for Hawaiians? It's over a 2,400 miles away from the US." It sounds really silly.
But the rest of the video is funny as hell though...
Oh my god, his laugh at his own child support payment joke lol
Can you expose the sins of the Jeepers Creepers series?
2:02 - it's Montana. Everything's cheap there, because no one lives there!
10:37 - Denmark DOES have a say in Greenland's matters
Dont they fly her to Montana to see the egg?
She doesn't live in Montana, she lives in Soviet California
Live in montana, can confirm
I can tell you with a very high degree of confidence that this is the University of Montreal
Excuse me, thats Wyoming.
We have like 30 people here
Majong isn’t vintage, it’s still very much alive and well in the east
I have to say this movie is a general masterpiece. The soundtrack is just great and not cliche. The plot is amazing and as a linguistic enthusiast talking about the non linear of their time and language is very interesting to me.