Thank you all for the support, Analysts. I'm having a blast being back in the swing of things and each of you who've donated to the linktree is making it possible for me to focus more on dropping videos. I've received a handful of donations this week and it means the world to me. If anyone's ever interested in contributing to the mission, feel free to donate here ( LinkTree: linktr.ee/thecompanyman ) or my cash app $TheCompanyMan. And even if you don't, sharing the video and subscribing goes a long way as well. Also, apologies in advance. Spectrum internet was down in my area so I had to record the conversation using my iphone hot spot so my visual is a little pixelated and the audio is a little delayed. Skye's fine so the conversation should be easy to follow. I've got an editorial calendar now and Kendrick, Game, Lupe, and Eminem are on the near horizon. Stay tuned for that. It's all happening.
Whats ur problem? Lol hater.if you like and respect TCM, then maybe consider that TCM likes PS enough to do this podcast w him and associate w him. And then cool ur jets spreading unsubstantiated hate online, theres enough of it already. @etotheipi42
@@tellmesomething2412its krazy work maan. I mean if him and his son ever get on bad terms or have a fall out.. u know what song is gonna be playing up in Adonis room when he grows up😂
6-point strategy for Aubrey: 1. Don't be Drake. 2. Lean into being an outsider and talk about what it was like growing up as a biracial kid in Toronto. 3. Be an actual mentor to up and coming rappers instead of stealing from them. 4. Rebrand OVO, that shit is done. 5. Be genuine, stop using blaccent, and try to be real for once in your life. 6. Don't be Drake.
And explaining number 9 which is Don't Be Drake: It's great to support upcoming artists but don't put fishy deals with the stimulus package that takes advantage of the artist.
I like that the advice for The Drake Resuscitation Project is to do the opposite of everything he's done so far in his career. 1. Be a mentor 2. Don't ride trendy waves 3. Be really introspective 4. Admit to deep flaws
This is like those strategy posts like "if Donald Trump wants an easy victory in November, he should consider not being Donald Trump or doing Donald Trump things"
In group vs out group dynamics. The answer to, "Why can't I say the N word?" edit: moved this to where it was meant to be. Left here for clarity of the comments that followed. Yes the advice appears to essentially be reverse course on how he got here.
@@rudolfambrozenvtuber The words by themselves are pretty self explanatory but I understand the confusion. It was meant to be a comment to the channel based on a conversation had in the video when Coates was brought up and not a response to this person in particular. I made a mistake and posted here (multitasking gone wrong) lol. I will move it to where it was meant to be.
You know when a restaurant has a great chef? Well that's what Justin does for hip hop journalism. I remember him on Hip-hopDX. It took me a while to find him again but he's a quality level headed guy. I deffo appreciate his content and his breakdowns.
It's nice to see that there are ppl who appreciate the intellectual side of hip hop. There is a huge gatekeeping sentiment when it comes to hip hop culture, which I do understand. But I don't understand why they don't like ppl who appreciate what hip hop is and what is has done. It's no different than studying ancient Egypt if you just happened to be there. Doesn't mean you want to be a part of it or pretend. Just means you recognize it's contribution. However I do understand that sentiment when ppl from other cultures try to pretend, and that's always been my problem with drake. He's a Jewish Canadian from the suburbs pretending to be an African American from the inner city. I'm surprised they don't have more of a problem with him. All cultures contribute to humanity. You should be proud of your culture for what it shares, because no matter who you are, you are borrowing things from other cultures. But the lines get crossed between appreciation and imitation
i gotta say justin hunts community along with Open mike eagle has some of the best discussions in the comments. so cool to not see braindead, biased takes all the time.
As someone from Canada, I don't know if any Canadian rappers will ever reach Drake's level of commercial success on the music charts, but I wish the world would pay more attention to the Indigenous hip hop scene, such as Snotty Nose Rez Kids and others.
I honestly think Drake is finished. He's no Kanye, I do not see a Twisted Fantasy type comeback. He may still make music but his public image has been forever scarred. It's one thing to have Pusha T call you deadbeat, it's something else entirely to have Kendrick Lamar Duckworth call you and your crew predators.
@@TheCompanyMan he's 100 percent gonna put out an album. I mean he has to right? The smart thing is to wash the bad taste of this from the public's mouth right away.
@@TheCompanyMan He can stay but he has to get an artist that's better than him(ability to rap but not famous) and get featured in his work as a guest. Use the inhouse producers.
@@TheCompanyMan I feel like in light of the beef taking over the public consciousness, it would be cool to do an interview with Knox Hill or Scru Face Jean to talk about what it's like living a fast reacting beef since they've basically done Kendrick vs Drake lite over the past week
@@joshuafetter3831 not scruface tho, he too fake. see his reaction to The Heart Pt 6? yikes - said it was "exactly what Drake needed to do". Reactors can keep it real, you don't have to fake love everything
I don’t think Drake can really rehabilitate himself because we already know too much about him. Not gossip, we have SEEN too much weird shit. Exposing himself after he’s already been exposed against his will isn’t going to hit like that. If it’s genuine, it’ll be good for him. But it won’t make me think better OF him.
@@TheCompanyMan yes but to be fair, I thought he was too far gone long before all of this. The pattern of predatory behavior & constantly attacking Black women in his music on top of his music being mediocre for years…He is who he is. And he’s rich, he will be fine. But I think he will have to live with this stain on him forever & it will affect how much people buy into Drake the brand.
He who is fake to himself for so long will never be real to others. His need for external approval/acceptance/validation made him create the persona he now inhabits. I remember one of his lines from his epic part in RickRoss' Aston Martin music, waaaay back"I hate calling women bitches but the bitches love it" in one sentence how he denies himself being true to his own values, all in order to be liked. It will either take something life-changing and inescapable (serious illness, losing someone really close), or something truly mind bending (ayahuasca, dmt, psilocybin) to change him meaningfully.
If Drake releases an album titled something like "Too(2) Far Gone" and comes in with the introspection like he did on songs like the calm then he'll bounce right tf back
Man love this comment. I was just listening to the calm. People forget, but Drake in his early days was extremely relatable. His music was him contextualizing this sudden entrance into the limelight. The selfishness that grew in him etc. The calm is the perfect example of that.
AVAA! oh, wrong channel.. two of my favorite channels colliding is a real treat! thanks to the both of you for always being so insightful, humble and always having something to teach to your audience, but most of all, for being students and not pretending to have answers to everything and having such great interactions with your respective audiences. respect! and looking forward to another collab 🙏🏻
Kendrick was so ready. So so ready that he dropped that fast. I'm amazed. I'm also thinking about what you said about Kendrick using all kinds of classic styles of rap it's its own diss. This is how steeped into the culture he is and something Drake is not. This is so layered and every time I think I've figured it out, there's yet another diss I missed. Thank you for your insight!
I think the most important thing is something you guys touched on a lot, and something that a lot of people miss or gloss over. Kendrick is very careful to skirt around calling drake a pedo directly. He lets the fans make those connections. But he DOES directly call Drake "a beard" which is clever. I saw a lot of people misunderstand that line he wasnt calling Drake a beard in the traditional sense(Someone who goes into a faux relationship with a closeted person to help provide them cover) but instead was saying he was being a beard for the shady people he keep around him.
24:57 Reminds me of one of my favorite Open Mike Eagle lines. "Just be a person, that’s the bottom line, be a person and fuck the rhyme scheme this time, just be a person."
Professor Skye does not realize that Drake has never made an album in his real accent. Even his "canadian" accent is false, taking on the slang he once called ignorant over dinner with white friends. Drake has behaved like a vulture even with Canada. I truly don't think he knows who he is and maybe secretly is fearful he is that same unaccepted kid. He would have to go to therapy to uncover the real aubrey in order to show up as the real him.
There are many artists, globally, who rap in an Americanized 'rapccent' (like Travis Scott, Tyler The Creater, Eminem, Logic). There's something to be said about Canadian artists not feeling confident enough to rap in there native accent - but most of the artists who rap with their native accent remain local. Drake and Tory Lanez are replicating the music they heard the same way previous generations sounded so New York (because of 90s and early 00s hip hop). The actual problem with Drake goes deeper than his accent. More so the code-switching and apparent lack of respect for the cultures he's 'stealing' from - the line between inspiration and appropriation. Also the million different accents and 'colonizer' claims. Also the point you mentioned about his admitted feelings about the slang being ignorant (which can come from trying to be accepted by the white world, but that's beside the point..)😮 I.e. "Look what you've done for me" - it wasn't his native accent but it did give an honest depiction of his lived experience with his mom. If we had more of that from Drake and didn't morph into so many styles...instead we get the nightlife, dating young girls, and mob boss Drake while appearing to use other people's styles and literally using their lyrics (in verses). Tory Lanez was good at this because he gave you his life story regardless of the accent - when he was around Canadians he spoke in a more Canadian accent. It can be viewed as code switching or the way some people speak in their ethnic accent or language to their parents or friends from 'back home'. In the next generation some Canadian-sounding rappers may crossover. "Bizz Loc", "Pressa", "Shad", "Jimmie D", all rap in their native, 'Canadian' accents - a few examples. This also happens when Rock artists/bands do Reggae inspired music - because most of the reggae they ever heard came from Jamaica, their songs were written and performed with their fused version of the accent. Partynextdoor, Erykah Badu, Yasiin Bey (Mos Def), Beyonce, and Rihanna have all done this with Reggae - Sting is the only band that comes to mind but Im sure there were more.
If I wasn't clear I agree with your initial point. Just highlighting that many artists give us their real life through a performed voice - salute to the real but to some degree there are many artists that would do what drake's doing if they could - most of the industry simply follows the trends and what will sell
I think the "real human being" strategy is the least likely thing for Drake to do because it's hard. The path of least resistance for him is to do a heel turn. I could see him pivoting towards the contrarian redpill circle of guys like Elon Musk and Joe Rogan. He's already moving to Texas anyways. He's going full Fresh and Fit mode, mark my words
Oh my gahhhh. He's already been that dude in his music and leaning that way with the persona too... but to take it from subtext to just straight text would be absolutely terrifyyyying. Prof. Skye said it right that he's already v. Trumpian so to go FULL HEEL would create some super gross behavior from his fans a la american culture in the late 90s-early 2000s. I was a young woman during that time and my gawd it was TREACHEROUS. No hyperbole needed.
I do think this was good for rap. Earlier this year, and late last year, they were saying that sales had declined by 40%, althought a different source said overall sales of rap declined by 2%. Whatever the case, that was a very real conversation with people blaming oversaturation, lack of quality, and just general lack of purchasing to own as reasons. I don't know if this rap beef will result in a Renaissance of interest, and sales. I do think it helped the general public to become interested in hop hop, and music overall again. But a big part of that is bc it showcased the quality of what rap can do. This beef did cut through oversaturation by elevating the music by the best of the best. If we go back to being watered down, and just having random generic sounds, as interesting as they might be for studying, ppl like Glorilla don't really hold up long term to the general public. I think if we go back to songs that are unique but have little pop appeal, and songs that have pop appeal, but are low quality, we will end up back in the same place.
But wouldn’t the fact that Kendrick is the one winning the numbers game and actually having people researching and trying to understand his entendres point to the opposite of what you’re saying here? Don’t get me wrong I completely agree with the sentiment being made I just think that this battle and the outcome of it kind of points to the opposite. Hope you didn’t take my criticism poorly only mean to help. 😊
Outsider here, as much as this beef shows that breaking down rap has a place in this, really the only reason all the linguists and detectives came out is because Drake is a big pop artist and he's under fire. So many of the people who don't care about rap are here to appreciate the quality here solely because Drake hate extends beyond hip hop. I do hope that rap gets better, but it's better to put out a lot of mediocre songs than a few great ones... Financially speaking
There is no way Drake is self-aware enough or a good enough rapper to do a "pull the human card" song. Even if he did try to do it it would just be shallow and/or very selective & vague things like on "Look What You've Done" or "Too Much"
The lack of self awareness really killed Drake in the beef. Dot accused him of not bein from the culture and he goes and says that wierd ass slave line. He gets called a dirtbag for trying to sleep with everyones girl, incl Wayne's, and he goes and hollars at Whitney over and over. Gets called a predator and comes with a "haha you got r*ped" bar. Drake really confirmed everything said abt him bc his ego got so big he forgot how to read a room
My favorite thing about all this is the recognition of producers that's always good to talk about, neither artists would sound as good without their productions
Enjoying you guys discussion, i had a similar idea about Drake leaning into the “yeah I’m a outsider” on his next album. Call it “AUBREY” have the cover be a collage of both his mom and father side of the family with him in the middle and really giving an introspective album. A good 11 tracks
I love the Dialogue between you two and I watch you both, but I don’t agree about the low favor of 616 in LA, which to me was not only one of favorite songs out of this battle, I would hazard to even say that it was just as important as meet the Grams. He gave Drake important clues and warnings that maybe he should back off. It was a beautiful setup and it’s also a shame that it’s not as appreciated for its beats.
So my thoughts as a 30 year plus therapist. I think the “daughter” is an archetype for women in general and younger women in particular. He choose 11 bc that was MBB’s character name on Stranger Things and those are the young women he feels are endangered by drake and his ilk. He never meant a biological daughter, but a metaphysical daughter an “every daughter”, if you will. Thx for the conversation. It’s been fun listening to yall.
I love the professors analysis of the beef whilst it was active. As he mentioned he may need some grace in assessing the cultural norms of hip-hop interaction.i don't think drake getting involved in another kendrick conflict would be ideal because drake lack of cultural awareness is evident and requires a lot of work. As going back to take style of work, it could work however Drake must kill his ego inorder to do so. I don't sw that happening.... but who knows .
Now would be a great time for Drake to drop that Vital record and try to give us a project that resembles NWTS but an updated version. NWTS was when Drake first gained mass appeal and became a global superstar. He could do an album from the perspective of "living long enough to see himself become the villain". This kind of album would include a time stamp record or two and have more records with him & 40 to restore the feeling again. Highlight members of the crew that have been along for the ride. The highs, the lows. Celebrating imperfections has always been a great marketing tactic and could turn the tide back to his fans still loving him. It would appear like he was taking the high road ("smoke before I make my decisions", that's how I take the high road").
Agreed. Even some elements of Scorpion. This is such a good opportunity for him to get back to good content. You could easily listen to Survival from that album and it applies to everything that just happened to him now. And it was great.
Thank you @thecompanyman for having this man on he is the only one to really care about French Quebec Canada rap and producers we love him so much for it.
Ah shit you got that white professor dude! I learned of both of you thanks to the algorithm during the beef. The algorithm gets a lot of deserved criticism but so happy I found you and the white professors channel!!! I never really got into in depth hip hop channels though I'm a lifetime hip hop fan. Your videos are incredible!! Much love bro!!
I’ve been writing music for a little over 15 years and every time I listen to one rap song in mind blown by how many words they put into one song. They said fuck your normal song structure and spit truth with such passion. Rap makes me feel lazy as hell.
Ty Justin. You cover hip-hop in a very unbiased way, and that used to be the way it was followed all the time when it came from people that reported on it with a few exceptions, but it seems like there are too many people today that want to be dishonest, and just want their favorite to be the best. If this was the mentality we had in 1990 everyone would’ve said NWA cooked Ice Cube in there beef because at the time NWA as a group was more popular than him as a solo artist. For the respect of the culture, you can never have the winner just be the most popular and I think when we report on the culture we need to do the same thing. We love and respect it then, and we need to be honest with it. Thank you for always doing that.
Thats love. Thank you! I do my best to call it down the line and let people know where my biases live. Like I did when it comes to this battle. I'm not anti Drake but I am anti anyone eating off rap and doesn't respect the culture and/or the black community.
43:33 man... I don't even listen to his music but as the child of Ghanaian immigrants born in Vancouver, I got chills when Prof (a dude from Boston) mentioned Kardinal. When he had singles that started popping in the US I felt PROUD of him, he's one of our own and I loved to see him succeed. I might be on the West coast, but I haven't felt that about Drake since the mixtape days before he was signed. He wasted no time trying to get that Houston/Atlanta cred.
The real interesting conspiracy stuff to get into is Drake’s connection to Gamma. There’s a great Reddit thread about it…even if it’s fake it’s the most interesting
We can't lose sight of the fact that Drake has had questionable behavior with grooming teens of 14 to 16 and then dating them immediately upon 18. That may not be technical pdf file behavior but there is no valid argument that that is ok. Not because I say so, but not one of us would trust that dude alone with our underage niece, cousin or sister. Edited for misspelled Drake
Yeah, that's what makes this Ebony2k24 stuff so interesting. There's a lot of allegations out there and here's someone screaming about truth with video. I don't know if it's going to amount to anything. But it's getting people going.
I have no idea what Drake has planned after this but I think the suggestion for him to do a new Meet the Grahams is genuis!!! He would have the opportunity to completely rewrite the narrative. Also, when Em said "how racist but dope the X Clan's tape is" he was talking from a 16 year olds point of view. That's how old he was in the story he was telling on that song
Seeing how easily men dismiss the overt disdain (and outright violence) men like Drake and Kanye treat women with is always a disturbing, if needed reminder of what our society values.
@@TheCompanyMan A quick Google search will show you how horrifyingly he treats his current wife. He controls every aspect of her life and regularly humiliates her in front of the world. It’s textbook psychological abuse, if not physical abuse (which is also suspected). And let’s not forget his harassment/terrorism of his ex-wife, Kim K, after they split. Stalking her and threatening her & her partner at the time, and publicly humiliating her as well. We can get into him releasing what essentially amounts to revenge porn of Taylor Swift, his support of rapist and pedophile, Donald Trump, his declaration that “Bill Cosby is innocent!!!”, etc. the list goes on.
@@TheCompanyMan A quick Google search will show you how horrifyingly he treats his current wife. He controls every aspect of her life and regularly humiliates her in front of the world. It’s textbook psychological abuse, if not physical abuse (which is also suspected). And let’s not forget his harassment/terrorism of his ex-wife, Kim K, after they split. Stalking her and threatening her & her partner at the time, and publicly humiliating her as well. We can get into him releasing what essentially amounts to revenge porn of Taylor Swift, his support of rapist and pedophile, Donald Trump, his declaration that “Bill Cosby is innocent!!!”, etc. the list goes on.
@@TheCompanyManThis question posed this way is not a good look: Would recommend: Could you elaborate with examples, because if you are referring to Ye's relationship with Kim...? That is worth a discussion...otherwise it just reads like you don't buy it.
On the beats conversation: The snares/hihats on Heart Pt6 really reminded me of Chicago footwork more than anything... I've been out of hip-hop for a bit but it sounded like someone who'd listened to DJ Rashad.
Take Care and the first half of Scorpion are my favorites. So Far Gone is probably his best work from a project standpoint. If You're Reading This is really really good too.
As someone who was rooting for Kendrick this whole beef: THANK YOU both for being some of the only people I've seen acknowledge why we dug Drake in the first place. His songs that got hyper-personal about relatable, human emotions were always my favorite. In addition to "Look What You've Done", he did this masterfully on "Club Paradise" and "You and The 6", the latter of which came to mind a lot during "Meet The Grahams"
31:00 the Eminem discussion is great, I listen to Deja Vu and it's really a diss track, a lot of what Kendrick says to Drake on Meet The Grahams, Em personally admits to on the song, and it's so beautiful and touching, it feels like he really wants to change it, and he has
Drake has never made a concept album. Idk why but id love to hear him on that side. A bit more intro prospective. Cause he has soooo much material to talk about the phases of his life. And just grow with his audience and teach them some game.
But the real person angle itself would be a construction...I truly believe Drake cannot be saved because he leaned too hard into the glitz and I think there was no self beforehand in the sense that he underwent character development which collapsed over time. I suspect Aubrey didnt know who he was from the beginning.
Great collaboration! I would love to see Drake take a more personal and honest approach going forward. I just don’t know if his pride/insecurities will let him be that vulnerable. I also think he may view that as doing what Kendrick wants him to do which is stupid but I wouldn’t put it past him.
Great collab, next time invite fantano too that would be fun ..all three of you discussing about how u got into liking hip hop,ur fav MCs and fav albums.
I'm one of the biggest Drake haters on earth. But he did better in this battle than I expected he would ("Push ups" and "Family Matters" were both dope diss records). Drake's career is far from over. He is too big to fail, he's shapeshifter with too many styles, too many trends he can jump on, and too many crossover pop hits. People have too many youthful memories attached to his music, his fan base has been cool with subpar albums for a decade now, and it hasn't negatively impacted his sales, streams, and tours. His audience is fine that he hasn't matured as an artist and still writes or has songs written for him from the perspective of a shallow 18-24 year old. The greatest protection Drake's career has is that his fans are delusional and refuse to even accept the results of this battle.
Aubrey not being accepted has nothing to do with him being bi-racial... It's the inauthenticity that does him in. At least as of late. If you are a suburban guy who went to good schools and was a child ctor, then that's fine. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, it just shows your parents did a great job raising you and were able to make your life more comfortable and provide you with opportunities. This whole mob boss act is painful to watch.
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I've got an editorial calendar now and Kendrick, Game, Lupe, and Eminem are on the near horizon. Stay tuned for that.
It's all happening.
Dude Professor Skye sucks and you are awesome. This is a weird mix.
Excited 🙌🏾
Whats ur problem? Lol hater.if you like and respect TCM, then maybe consider that TCM likes PS enough to do this podcast w him and associate w him. And then cool ur jets spreading unsubstantiated hate online, theres enough of it already. @etotheipi42
Like Kendrick said 'this aint a rap battle this is a life long battle with yourself'
Probably the truest line of the entire matchup.
That whole dissection of his ego was nasty work. Also, to start the track off with, "Dear, my enemy's son..." 😬
*Long life
@@tellmesomething2412its krazy work maan. I mean if him and his son ever get on bad terms or have a fall out.. u know what song is gonna be playing up in Adonis room when he grows up😂
6-point strategy for Aubrey:
1. Don't be Drake.
2. Lean into being an outsider and talk about what it was like growing up as a biracial kid in Toronto.
3. Be an actual mentor to up and coming rappers instead of stealing from them.
4. Rebrand OVO, that shit is done.
5. Be genuine, stop using blaccent, and try to be real for once in your life.
6. Don't be Drake.
You forgot no.7: Don't Be Drake.
He needs to find his inner Aubrey Graham.
Y'all forgot number 8.
Don't be Drake.
And explaining number 9 which is Don't Be Drake: It's great to support upcoming artists but don't put fishy deals with the stimulus package that takes advantage of the artist.
@@BacchusAurelius-yj4mb I don’t think he shouldn’t be drake I think he should just (DRaKe) 👈🏾
7. Don't use n word lol.
I like that the advice for The Drake Resuscitation Project is to do the opposite of everything he's done so far in his career.
1. Be a mentor
2. Don't ride trendy waves
3. Be really introspective
4. Admit to deep flaws
Well when you put it that way hahahahaa!
This is like those strategy posts like "if Donald Trump wants an easy victory in November, he should consider not being Donald Trump or doing Donald Trump things"
In group vs out group dynamics. The answer to, "Why can't I say the N word?"
edit: moved this to where it was meant to be. Left here for clarity of the comments that followed.
Yes the advice appears to essentially be reverse course on how he got here.
@@awake3607 bro what are you on about
@@rudolfambrozenvtuber The words by themselves are pretty self explanatory but I understand the confusion. It was meant to be a comment to the channel based on a conversation had in the video when Coates was brought up and not a response to this person in particular.
I made a mistake and posted here (multitasking gone wrong) lol. I will move it to where it was meant to be.
6:16 in LA is completely underrated but it was a set up jab for Drake to try to haymaker.
Imo 616 and euphoria 1 and 2 in the beef
This is the collaboration I didn't know we needed >>>>>
I really appreciate people with more than one brain cell talking about music, especially when they are knowledgeable about the industry and genre
You know when a restaurant has a great chef? Well that's what Justin does for hip hop journalism. I remember him on Hip-hopDX. It took me a while to find him again but he's a quality level headed guy. I deffo appreciate his content and his breakdowns.
It's nice to see that there are ppl who appreciate the intellectual side of hip hop. There is a huge gatekeeping sentiment when it comes to hip hop culture, which I do understand. But I don't understand why they don't like ppl who appreciate what hip hop is and what is has done. It's no different than studying ancient Egypt if you just happened to be there. Doesn't mean you want to be a part of it or pretend. Just means you recognize it's contribution. However I do understand that sentiment when ppl from other cultures try to pretend, and that's always been my problem with drake. He's a Jewish Canadian from the suburbs pretending to be an African American from the inner city. I'm surprised they don't have more of a problem with him.
All cultures contribute to humanity. You should be proud of your culture for what it shares, because no matter who you are, you are borrowing things from other cultures. But the lines get crossed between appreciation and imitation
i gotta say justin hunts community along with Open mike eagle has some of the best discussions in the comments. so cool to not see braindead, biased takes all the time.
As someone from Canada, I don't know if any Canadian rappers will ever reach Drake's level of commercial success on the music charts, but I wish the world would pay more attention to the Indigenous hip hop scene, such as Snotty Nose Rez Kids and others.
Shout out K-Os
@@lucasalamo3448 Yes, and Maestro Fresh Wes.
Isn’t it interesting that Drake is not focusing on growing the Canadian hip hop scene ? Hmmm
I honestly think Drake is finished. He's no Kanye, I do not see a Twisted Fantasy type comeback. He may still make music but his public image has been forever scarred. It's one thing to have Pusha T call you deadbeat, it's something else entirely to have Kendrick Lamar Duckworth call you and your crew predators.
I'm curious to see which of his collaborators will work with him again first. A drake feature isn't the same as it was before Not Like Us dropped.
@@TheCompanyMan he's 100 percent gonna put out an album. I mean he has to right? The smart thing is to wash the bad taste of this from the public's mouth right away.
He has to. Never leave while you're hot, that's how Mase screwed up.
@@TheCompanyMan He can stay but he has to get an artist that's better than him(ability to rap but not famous) and get featured in his work as a guest. Use the inhouse producers.
So happy seeing TheCompanyMan and Professor Skye collabing. Hope to see more of you two ever decide to do it again.
Album TAKE CARE the weekend wrote it 70% songs taken from the weeknd that's why they have beef. He used ghost writers
4 songs =70% I doubt weekend wrote a rap verse but singing joints I can hear it.
My understanding was that Abel produced the tracks and Drake coerced him to hand them over. He wrote lyrics too?
This has to become a series with guest appearances. Awesome collab gentlemen!
That's the plan.
@@TheCompanyMan I feel like in light of the beef taking over the public consciousness, it would be cool to do an interview with Knox Hill or Scru Face Jean to talk about what it's like living a fast reacting beef since they've basically done Kendrick vs Drake lite over the past week
@@joshuafetter3831 not scruface tho, he too fake. see his reaction to The Heart Pt 6? yikes - said it was "exactly what Drake needed to do". Reactors can keep it real, you don't have to fake love everything
I don’t think Drake can really rehabilitate himself because we already know too much about him. Not gossip, we have SEEN too much weird shit. Exposing himself after he’s already been exposed against his will isn’t going to hit like that. If it’s genuine, it’ll be good for him. But it won’t make me think better OF him.
mmm... this is an interesting perspective. So he's essentially too far gone in your opinion?
@@TheCompanyMan yes but to be fair, I thought he was too far gone long before all of this. The pattern of predatory behavior & constantly attacking Black women in his music on top of his music being mediocre for years…He is who he is. And he’s rich, he will be fine. But I think he will have to live with this stain on him forever & it will affect how much people buy into Drake the brand.
He who is fake to himself for so long will never be real to others. His need for external approval/acceptance/validation made him create the persona he now inhabits. I remember one of his lines from his epic part in RickRoss' Aston Martin music, waaaay back"I hate calling women bitches but the bitches love it" in one sentence how he denies himself being true to his own values, all in order to be liked.
It will either take something life-changing and inescapable (serious illness, losing someone really close), or something truly mind bending (ayahuasca, dmt, psilocybin) to change him meaningfully.
We missed you Justin! Glad to see you back posting regularly
Thats how you know Hip-Hop’s been boring af
@@mehoo8 totally agree. The beef stirred things up
If Drake releases an album titled something like "Too(2) Far Gone" and comes in with the introspection like he did on songs like the calm then he'll bounce right tf back
"Too Far Gone"! Perfect title.
Man love this comment. I was just listening to the calm. People forget, but Drake in his early days was extremely relatable. His music was him contextualizing this sudden entrance into the limelight. The selfishness that grew in him etc. The calm is the perfect example of that.
AVAA! oh, wrong channel.. two of my favorite channels colliding is a real treat! thanks to the both of you for always being so insightful, humble and always having something to teach to your audience, but most of all, for being students and not pretending to have answers to everything and having such great interactions with your respective audiences. respect! and looking forward to another collab 🙏🏻
Thank yoU!
35:12 "too black for the white kids and too white for the blacks" is an Earl sweatshirt line
Earl The God
@@TheCompanyMan best modern emcee of the last 15 years, hes in the GOAT coversation for mainstream-adjacent lyrical artists in hip hop
I will never get BBL Drizzy out of my head
Kendrick was so ready. So so ready that he dropped that fast. I'm amazed. I'm also thinking about what you said about Kendrick using all kinds of classic styles of rap it's its own diss. This is how steeped into the culture he is and something Drake is not. This is so layered and every time I think I've figured it out, there's yet another diss I missed. Thank you for your insight!
AVAA! Grateful for Professor putting me on this channel! Great discussion… my brain is stimulated and I hope you two keep on collaborating on topics
I think the most important thing is something you guys touched on a lot, and something that a lot of people miss or gloss over. Kendrick is very careful to skirt around calling drake a pedo directly. He lets the fans make those connections. But he DOES directly call Drake "a beard" which is clever. I saw a lot of people misunderstand that line he wasnt calling Drake a beard in the traditional sense(Someone who goes into a faux relationship with a closeted person to help provide them cover) but instead was saying he was being a beard for the shady people he keep around him.
Justin Hunte and prof Skye… a match made in heaven wtf
So glad to have discovered both of your channels through this battle. Looking forward to your future content.
24:57 Reminds me of one of my favorite Open Mike Eagle lines.
"Just be a person, that’s the bottom line, be a person
and fuck the rhyme scheme this time, just be a person."
This will be epic. Also I’m a huge fan and would love to support in anyway. I would love to help on the production side if needed.
I second this!!!! If you need help with editing that’s as much as I can help with 😂😂😂
Professor Skye does not realize that Drake has never made an album in his real accent. Even his "canadian" accent is false, taking on the slang he once called ignorant over dinner with white friends. Drake has behaved like a vulture even with Canada. I truly don't think he knows who he is and maybe secretly is fearful he is that same unaccepted kid. He would have to go to therapy to uncover the real aubrey in order to show up as the real him.
AGREED.😉🌸✌️🏽
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Thank you. He doesn't understand black culture at all.
There are many artists, globally, who rap in an Americanized 'rapccent' (like Travis Scott, Tyler The Creater, Eminem, Logic). There's something to be said about Canadian artists not feeling confident enough to rap in there native accent - but most of the artists who rap with their native accent remain local. Drake and Tory Lanez are replicating the music they heard the same way previous generations sounded so New York (because of 90s and early 00s hip hop).
The actual problem with Drake goes deeper than his accent. More so the code-switching and apparent lack of respect for the cultures he's 'stealing' from - the line between inspiration and appropriation. Also the million different accents and 'colonizer' claims. Also the point you mentioned about his admitted feelings about the slang being ignorant (which can come from trying to be accepted by the white world, but that's beside the point..)😮
I.e. "Look what you've done for me" - it wasn't his native accent but it did give an honest depiction of his lived experience with his mom. If we had more of that from Drake and didn't morph into so many styles...instead we get the nightlife, dating young girls, and mob boss Drake while appearing to use other people's styles and literally using their lyrics (in verses).
Tory Lanez was good at this because he gave you his life story regardless of the accent - when he was around Canadians he spoke in a more Canadian accent. It can be viewed as code switching or the way some people speak in their ethnic accent or language to their parents or friends from 'back home'.
In the next generation some Canadian-sounding rappers may crossover. "Bizz Loc", "Pressa", "Shad", "Jimmie D", all rap in their native, 'Canadian' accents - a few examples.
This also happens when Rock artists/bands do Reggae inspired music - because most of the reggae they ever heard came from Jamaica, their songs were written and performed with their fused version of the accent. Partynextdoor, Erykah Badu, Yasiin Bey (Mos Def), Beyonce, and Rihanna have all done this with Reggae - Sting is the only band that comes to mind but Im sure there were more.
If I wasn't clear I agree with your initial point. Just highlighting that many artists give us their real life through a performed voice - salute to the real but to some degree there are many artists that would do what drake's doing if they could - most of the industry simply follows the trends and what will sell
Like the ideas for Drake to redeem himself but I think it’s too late, Drake is too far gone into his own psyche….Drake just feels weird
Unfortunately I agree.
I think the "real human being" strategy is the least likely thing for Drake to do because it's hard. The path of least resistance for him is to do a heel turn. I could see him pivoting towards the contrarian redpill circle of guys like Elon Musk and Joe Rogan. He's already moving to Texas anyways. He's going full Fresh and Fit mode, mark my words
I can see that actually. Yeezus. What a thought.🤯
Oh my gahhhh. He's already been that dude in his music and leaning that way with the persona too... but to take it from subtext to just straight text would be absolutely terrifyyyying. Prof. Skye said it right that he's already v. Trumpian so to go FULL HEEL would create some super gross behavior from his fans a la american culture in the late 90s-early 2000s. I was a young woman during that time and my gawd it was TREACHEROUS. No hyperbole needed.
I love both of your takes on the beef and just the breakdown of each bar with context about their life ñ. *chefs kiss*
I do think this was good for rap. Earlier this year, and late last year, they were saying that sales had declined by 40%, althought a different source said overall sales of rap declined by 2%. Whatever the case, that was a very real conversation with people blaming oversaturation, lack of quality, and just general lack of purchasing to own as reasons.
I don't know if this rap beef will result in a Renaissance of interest, and sales. I do think it helped the general public to become interested in hop hop, and music overall again. But a big part of that is bc it showcased the quality of what rap can do. This beef did cut through oversaturation by elevating the music by the best of the best.
If we go back to being watered down, and just having random generic sounds, as interesting as they might be for studying, ppl like Glorilla don't really hold up long term to the general public. I think if we go back to songs that are unique but have little pop appeal, and songs that have pop appeal, but are low quality, we will end up back in the same place.
Lol forgive typos in this. My YT is acting up and I can't edit it. 😭
Well said!
But wouldn’t the fact that Kendrick is the one winning the numbers game and actually having people researching and trying to understand his entendres point to the opposite of what you’re saying here? Don’t get me wrong I completely agree with the sentiment being made I just think that this battle and the outcome of it kind of points to the opposite. Hope you didn’t take my criticism poorly only mean to help. 😊
Outsider here, as much as this beef shows that breaking down rap has a place in this, really the only reason all the linguists and detectives came out is because Drake is a big pop artist and he's under fire.
So many of the people who don't care about rap are here to appreciate the quality here solely because Drake hate extends beyond hip hop. I do hope that rap gets better, but it's better to put out a lot of mediocre songs than a few great ones... Financially speaking
I don't know man. Kendrick already won a pulitzer. He's had the linguist checking for him for years.
Noo waayy!!! Two of my favorites who are respecting the culture with their insightful perspectives collaborating together?! One Love
it’s funny because this is basically the opposite of beef, quite poetic really
@user-fs1lc2cj5s brillant comment
There is no way Drake is self-aware enough or a good enough rapper to do a "pull the human card" song. Even if he did try to do it it would just be shallow and/or very selective & vague things like on "Look What You've Done" or "Too Much"
The lack of self awareness really killed Drake in the beef. Dot accused him of not bein from the culture and he goes and says that wierd ass slave line. He gets called a dirtbag for trying to sleep with everyones girl, incl Wayne's, and he goes and hollars at Whitney over and over. Gets called a predator and comes with a "haha you got r*ped" bar. Drake really confirmed everything said abt him bc his ego got so big he forgot how to read a room
My favorite thing about all this is the recognition of producers that's always good to talk about, neither artists would sound as good without their productions
Enjoying you guys discussion, i had a similar idea about Drake leaning into the “yeah I’m a outsider” on his next album. Call it “AUBREY” have the cover be a collage of both his mom and father side of the family with him in the middle and really giving an introspective album. A good 11 tracks
I'm only 730 in and am excited for this cross over I'd just like to say that modern day hardcore is also very much a sport
I didn't realize that at all.
Yoooo! I'm so happy that y'all linked up. I saw a lot of comments (including mine) in the good professor's comment section. Hype to watch.
Im only 10 minutes in, and i really think this deeper, more intelligent take on hip hop is really needed
Thank yoU!
I came to this channel because of the Professor. ❤ Then, I stayed because your channel is great. ❤
Welcome!
I am obsessed with this collaboration 🥰 this is what I’m talking about!!!!!!!!! Beautiful
The Company Man is my fave Hip Hop reviewer
Ah, I'm locked in for this!
Great convo Justin & Professor Skye.
I love the Dialogue between you two and I watch you both, but I don’t agree about the low favor of 616 in LA, which to me was not only one of favorite songs out of this battle, I would hazard to even say that it was just as important as meet the Grams.
He gave Drake important clues and warnings that maybe he should back off. It was a beautiful setup and it’s also a shame that it’s not as appreciated for its beats.
So my thoughts as a 30 year plus therapist. I think the “daughter” is an archetype for women in general and younger women in particular. He choose 11 bc that was MBB’s character name on Stranger Things and those are the young women he feels are endangered by drake and his ilk. He never meant a biological daughter, but a metaphysical daughter an “every daughter”, if you will.
Thx for the conversation. It’s been fun listening to yall.
I love the professors analysis of the beef whilst it was active. As he mentioned he may need some grace in assessing the cultural norms of hip-hop interaction.i don't think drake getting involved in another kendrick conflict would be ideal because drake lack of cultural awareness is evident and requires a lot of work. As going back to take style of work, it could work however Drake must kill his ego inorder to do so. I don't sw that happening.... but who knows .
I think he should leave it alone. Kendrick was too prepared and Drake hasn't won a battle in nearly a decade.
Now would be a great time for Drake to drop that Vital record and try to give us a project that resembles NWTS but an updated version. NWTS was when Drake first gained mass appeal and became a global superstar. He could do an album from the perspective of "living long enough to see himself become the villain". This kind of album would include a time stamp record or two and have more records with him & 40 to restore the feeling again. Highlight members of the crew that have been along for the ride. The highs, the lows. Celebrating imperfections has always been a great marketing tactic and could turn the tide back to his fans still loving him. It would appear like he was taking the high road ("smoke before I make my decisions", that's how I take the high road").
Agreed. Even some elements of Scorpion. This is such a good opportunity for him to get back to good content. You could easily listen to Survival from that album and it applies to everything that just happened to him now. And it was great.
This is a dream collab, thank you for this
Thank you @thecompanyman for having this man on he is the only one to really care about French Quebec Canada rap and producers we love him so much for it.
Ah shit you got that white professor dude! I learned of both of you thanks to the algorithm during the beef. The algorithm gets a lot of deserved criticism but so happy I found you and the white professors channel!!! I never really got into in depth hip hop channels though I'm a lifetime hip hop fan. Your videos are incredible!! Much love bro!!
Thank you!
His name is Professor Syke
@@Geminisbk3😂 address the man as such 🕊️
I miss you and rude jude shows you guys had such great chemistry together
So, if I understood correctly, Drake now stands for:
Drake's
Rehabilitation
After
Kendrick
Evisceration
Got it 🙂Thanks guys!
DROP IT NOWWWW
THA STREETS NEED IT 🗣️🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿
Quick 2 step plan for Aubrey:
1. Write a song as good as Runaway
2. Write a song as good as Not Like Us
Gonna need some new ghostwriters
I’ve been writing music for a little over 15 years and every time I listen to one rap song in mind blown by how many words they put into one song. They said fuck your normal song structure and spit truth with such passion. Rap makes me feel lazy as hell.
Ty Justin. You cover hip-hop in a very unbiased way, and that used to be the way it was followed all the time when it came from people that reported on it with a few exceptions, but it seems like there are too many people today that want to be dishonest, and just want their favorite to be the best.
If this was the mentality we had in 1990 everyone would’ve said NWA cooked Ice Cube in there beef because at the time NWA as a group was more popular than him as a solo artist. For the respect of the culture, you can never have the winner just be the most popular and I think when we report on the culture we need to do the same thing. We love and respect it then, and we need to be honest with it. Thank you for always doing that.
Thats love. Thank you! I do my best to call it down the line and let people know where my biases live. Like I did when it comes to this battle. I'm not anti Drake but I am anti anyone eating off rap and doesn't respect the culture and/or the black community.
Professor Skye is like us 💯. Great listen.
Someone that gets the point!!!! It’s not about race that so many are trying to make it. This is the message that needs to be spread!!!
i love this. the analysis, the passion, the meaning. thank you
Thank you for checking it out!
43:33 man... I don't even listen to his music but as the child of Ghanaian immigrants born in Vancouver, I got chills when Prof (a dude from Boston) mentioned Kardinal. When he had singles that started popping in the US I felt PROUD of him, he's one of our own and I loved to see him succeed. I might be on the West coast, but I haven't felt that about Drake since the mixtape days before he was signed. He wasted no time trying to get that Houston/Atlanta cred.
The real interesting conspiracy stuff to get into is Drake’s connection to Gamma. There’s a great Reddit thread about it…even if it’s fake it’s the most interesting
"Your show money, tour money, merch money feed us"
We can't lose sight of the fact that Drake has had questionable behavior with grooming teens of 14 to 16 and then dating them immediately upon 18. That may not be technical pdf file behavior but there is no valid argument that that is ok. Not because I say so, but not one of us would trust that dude alone with our underage niece, cousin or sister. Edited for misspelled Drake
Yeah, that's what makes this Ebony2k24 stuff so interesting. There's a lot of allegations out there and here's someone screaming about truth with video. I don't know if it's going to amount to anything. But it's getting people going.
It’s all happening yall
I have no idea what Drake has planned after this but I think the suggestion for him to do a new Meet the Grahams is genuis!!! He would have the opportunity to completely rewrite the narrative.
Also, when Em said "how racist but dope the X Clan's tape is" he was talking from a 16 year olds point of view. That's how old he was in the story he was telling on that song
Not sure how I missed this interview 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
Two of my absolute favorite thinkers collaborating was destined to be enlightening and highly entertaining. Thank you so much!
Wow!!! I am so happy to see you two together. Fantasic video
Thank you!
It's crazy finally seeing this, it was such a interesting conversation
OutKast Stankonia is Andre 3000 at his lyrical apex along with The Love Below.
Listening back to those albums it’s very imaginative.
This was a great discussion. I enjoyed it so much, I know I’ll end up listening to it again. Tons of gems being shared by both of these men. Respect.
I laughed out loud at "rap beef bringing people together". I discovered Skye first and he mentioned your channel, so I checked it out too. ❤
Hell yeah the collab really happened. 🎉I hope this happens more often
Company man this podcast is amazing. I love the prof and watch both of you guys. What generous and insightful things you both said. Bless
Professor Syke is DOPE GLAD YO COLLABED 🔥🔥🔥
This is the best I’m an oldie with the company man and newbie with Skye. Feels like the perfect yin-yang no pun intended.
Hey man, huge fan. Thank you for helping us to learn and don’t ever stop brother!
Ooo I’m the 7th waiter 🎉 I’ve enjoyed getting to know both of your channels. Love the commentary.
Seeing how easily men dismiss the overt disdain (and outright violence) men like Drake and Kanye treat women with is always a disturbing, if needed reminder of what our society values.
What violence has Kanye treated women with?
@@TheCompanyMan A quick Google search will show you how horrifyingly he treats his current wife. He controls every aspect of her life and regularly humiliates her in front of the world. It’s textbook psychological abuse, if not physical abuse (which is also suspected).
And let’s not forget his harassment/terrorism of his ex-wife, Kim K, after they split. Stalking her and threatening her & her partner at the time, and publicly humiliating her as well.
We can get into him releasing what essentially amounts to revenge porn of Taylor Swift, his support of rapist and pedophile, Donald Trump, his declaration that “Bill Cosby is innocent!!!”, etc. the list goes on.
@@TheCompanyMan A quick Google search will show you how horrifyingly he treats his current wife. He controls every aspect of her life and regularly humiliates her in front of the world. It’s textbook psychological abuse, if not physical abuse (which is also suspected).
And let’s not forget his harassment/terrorism of his ex-wife, Kim K, after they split. Stalking her and threatening her & her partner at the time, and publicly humiliating her as well.
We can get into him releasing what essentially amounts to revenge porn of Taylor Swift, his support of rapist and pedophile, Donald Trump, his declaration that “Bill Cosby is innocent!!!”, etc. the list goes on.
@@TheCompanyManThis question posed this way is not a good look: Would recommend: Could you elaborate with examples, because if you are referring to Ye's relationship with Kim...? That is worth a discussion...otherwise it just reads like you don't buy it.
On the beats conversation: The snares/hihats on Heart Pt6 really reminded me of Chicago footwork more than anything... I've been out of hip-hop for a bit but it sounded like someone who'd listened to DJ Rashad.
How many classics projects or great projects do you think Drake has?
Take Care and the first half of Scorpion are my favorites. So Far Gone is probably his best work from a project standpoint. If You're Reading This is really really good too.
@TheCompanyMan Why doesn't Thank me later get the praise it has high replay value?
As someone who was rooting for Kendrick this whole beef: THANK YOU both for being some of the only people I've seen acknowledge why we dug Drake in the first place.
His songs that got hyper-personal about relatable, human emotions were always my favorite.
In addition to "Look What You've Done", he did this masterfully on "Club Paradise" and "You and The 6", the latter of which came to mind a lot during "Meet The Grahams"
Really enjoyed this. The French Professor is one of my faves. He had me at the Eazy Duz TAPE. Yes! We are here. 🧑🏽🦳
OMG!!! I’m a Let’s Go Stan too! I always say that KMD won the rap battle, but LL won the star war.
My favorite youtube hip hop analysts in one place?! 🙌🏾
I'm late but baby it's all happening. Appreciate you mr. Hunt
31:00 the Eminem discussion is great, I listen to Deja Vu and it's really a diss track, a lot of what Kendrick says to Drake on Meet The Grahams, Em personally admits to on the song, and it's so beautiful and touching, it feels like he really wants to change it, and he has
Loved the video, thank you both!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Drake has never made a concept album. Idk why but id love to hear him on that side. A bit more intro prospective. Cause he has soooo much material to talk about the phases of his life. And just grow with his audience and teach them some game.
Id love to hear what a Drake concept record sounds like.
So great to see Professor Skye!! ❤❤❤❤
But the real person angle itself would be a construction...I truly believe Drake cannot be saved because he leaned too hard into the glitz and I think there was no self beforehand in the sense that he underwent character development which collapsed over time. I suspect Aubrey didnt know who he was from the beginning.
Also the class/race discussion surrounding Eminem needs to be broached, I am from Detroit as well.
It's Time For Drake To Go On His Conscious Shit 🎵
Let the conscious rappers fill that lane we don't even boost up the ones that do that.
Someone needs to send this to Drakes team
Great collaboration! I would love to see Drake take a more personal and honest approach going forward. I just don’t know if his pride/insecurities will let him be that vulnerable. I also think he may view that as doing what Kendrick wants him to do which is stupid but I wouldn’t put it past him.
Good link up 🤝
Thanks 💯
GOAT CONVERSATION 🔥
Thank yoU!
most mature convo about this beef
Love you, bro! Been down since radio! Keep making that amazing content. 🫡👑💯
Great collab, next time invite fantano too that would be fun ..all three of you discussing about how u got into liking hip hop,ur fav MCs and fav albums.
Legendary collab
I love the collab!
I'm one of the biggest Drake haters on earth. But he did better in this battle than I expected he would ("Push ups" and "Family Matters" were both dope diss records). Drake's career is far from over. He is too big to fail, he's shapeshifter with too many styles, too many trends he can jump on, and too many crossover pop hits. People have too many youthful memories attached to his music, his fan base has been cool with subpar albums for a decade now, and it hasn't negatively impacted his sales, streams, and tours. His audience is fine that he hasn't matured as an artist and still writes or has songs written for him from the perspective of a shallow 18-24 year old. The greatest protection Drake's career has is that his fans are delusional and refuse to even accept the results of this battle.
Great great talk, thank you for educating and entertaining us guys
Aubrey not being accepted has nothing to do with him being bi-racial... It's the inauthenticity that does him in. At least as of late. If you are a suburban guy who went to good schools and was a child ctor, then that's fine. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, it just shows your parents did a great job raising you and were able to make your life more comfortable and provide you with opportunities. This whole mob boss act is painful to watch.