Cheers for answering my question! I was under the assumption that airstream had a better point of entry system for the roof given the aluminum shell, but wow I was wrong.
Shane.....lol. No, my comparison on Cayenne vs Tahoe was 'usage' or intended usage. Price is determined by what the end user is willing to pay (ultimately regardless of MSRP). I was pointing out Imaybe not made well but sarcasm is a live sport...ha) is that Airstreams are 'lot' trailers, MDC is an offroad trailer (marketed as such...at least by ROA). Both great trailers for the intended usage. Now, labeling your 'customers' comments as "pretty stupid",.....well, not a good look (as you say, "remember what your Mom taught you"). Your business though. Great videos and keep making them.
I think the big question is whether or not MDC or some of these other off road brands with even be around in 5 years. Lifetime warranty means nothing at this point.
How is this for a comparison. Hailstorm challenge. Which will survive a hailstorm? Second question, grizzly bear attack which trailer would you rather be in? I would prefer to be an a Palomino Pause. Lol😅
According to your videos every unit you sell is the best in the world. Have a video comparing all the units you sell and show which one is actually the best.
I wish someone would take the floor plan of the Airstream flying cloud 25 front bed twin model, with no slides, and create a non-aluminum version of it. Put a mini split on the tongue of the trailer and make all vents go out the sides with full tip to tip solar that can run the ac off grid. And it must have the same number of windows with matching window coverage but use windows that don't suck like Airstream's. I'm still looking for this... Thinking of building it myself!
Regardless if you talk about off-road (MDC, Pause, Reboot) or on-road (Airstream), they all travel on the highway to get there, as do every other brand. One of the glaring problems with Airstream is how delicate the bodies are. You can lean against an Airstream and dent it, for instance. And in a hail storm, the Airstream is easily and seriously damaged. I've seen it over and over. Traveling in unstable weather, winter or summer, hail storms happen, and they are not kind to Airstreams. Very fragile. Airstream has the cool factor, and they are beautiful. But they are for camping in organized campgrounds, like a KOA, in good weather. This is because they have very limited battery power and limited, if any solar. You must be plugged in or run a generator to spend any time camping. One of the weak points with many trailers is the floor. Slow water leaks cause rotting and serious problems with plywood floors. Airstreams have plywood floors. Others, Like Pause and Reboot, have waterproof floors with no wood involved. Not sure with the MDC trailers. And then there is the winter rating. How good is the freeze prevention systems in the Airstreams? I just don't know, but in the winter rated trailers, like Pause and Reboot, and in the Imperial trailers, all piping is inside. They have tank heaters, heat ducted to the tanks and very good wall, floor and ceiling insulation. This helps in Summer too as the cooling load is reduced. Finally, the batteries. The entire industry is going to lithium batteries for good reason. But lithium batteries cannot be charged below 32 degrees. So they must be mounted where they are protected from cold. Where are the batteries in the Airstream? Last I checked, they only put in one group 24 AGM as the standard battery, which is good for maybe one night of careful use. Oliver and other manufacturers are having to reconsider their battery locations to meet modern power requirements with lithium batteries. How is Airstream dealing with this issue? Airstreams are beautiful and iconic. They have low wind resistance. Are comfortable. But their quality has slipped and they are falling behind on technology, it seems. Their construction is fragile and expensive to repair. Good for highway travel and camping in full service parks, but not for venturing off the road, or being exposed to bad weather. But they look cool.
Yeah so what you're describing in my mind is the difference between a travel trailer and a camping trailer. Airstreams could be built stronger no doubt. However, Airstream owners like myself don't need all the stuff you're talking about. I have 2 AGM batteries and it works fine for my use. Many only have one AGM battery. If Imperial Outdoors would take my interior and floor plan and put it in their trailer I would buy it tomorrow. Well they need other things too like a black tank. I used my Airstream a couple weeks ago in 17 degree temps. Only thing that may freeze are the tank drains that stick down out of the body. You can put heat tape on it. Tanks are heated.
A key comparison should be made betwen between the suspension and how well balanced these two travel trailers and how that affects the towing experience. The Airstream doesn't have the Trail Assure Electronic Stability Control System. There seems to be more value in what a customer pays for when purchasing and MDC travel trailer.
I notice you stopped carrying Conqueror. Is that a quality issue or are they not supported well here or have they just decided the North American market is not for them?
You guys specialize in Camping Trailers not Travel Trailers. What's the size of the black tank on the MDC? 5 Gallons LOL! No one looking for a travel trailer in the USA wants a 5 gallon cassette or a diaper genie toilet. Looking at the comments I think thats the point. Off road trailers are nice, but the only real travel trailer you guys promote are the Pause units. Here are my thoughts on the trailers you sell from an Airstream Owner's prospective: Pause is the closest thing you have to a travel trailer (as an off road trailer). I like much of what Pause has done and if I had to buy one of your trailers right now it would be that. What turns me off on the pause is the exterior. Something about it makes it look too big and complex. Not just the graphics but also the height and the suspension. Interiors are great and they have a black tank! I have not seen any of the smaller ones in person. My Airstream sits much lower (I know not good for you camping guys) and much simpler with it's torsion axle. MDC...cassette toilet is a no go. You guys who camp beside rocks can go out and use the bathroom outside. I'm at campgrounds, harvest host, and crackle barrel parking lots and I don't think it works for people like me that well but others can chime in. MDC trailers have too much going on with the exteriors. It's like what am I looking at! Too busy. Interiors look amazing. Needs a black tank for me. Explore...This is my favorite looking trailer you sell but again no black tank. They have an awning that's completely useless without climbing a ladder. Because you guys made it for off roading the steps have to be attached each time which is ridiculous for my purpose. I like Explores exterior the best....it looks absolutely amazing. If Explore had steps like my Airstream and MDC, a black tank, and an electric awning I think it would be the trailer for me even more than the pause. Oh and maybe they can do an aluminum frame like the pause! Maybe step up the interior like the MDC and Pause cause their interiors do look good. I don't think many of your other units are meant for traveling at all. They are just campers. My Airstream is a 19ft Tommy Bahama Corner bed. It's 19ft long, has a dry bath, sleeps 4 people, and weights 4200lbs. No other trailer with those specs exist and for $60k. It's a beautiful trailer! The trailers you sell are awesome and I'm not knocking them. I'm just saying the Airstream is for me a better travel trailer than the others. Maybe that's what people mean by Porsche vs Tahoe. Now go build me the explore with a black tank, electric awning, and steps like the Airstream! Would probably appeal to a larger crowd.
Just my opinion, The exterior on the MDC maybe busy but it’s functional. The diamond plate paneling is more protective than just the fiberglass paneling that you see on campers/travel trailers, all of the doors have a purpose, slide out kitchen etc. yes it’s busy but it’s all for a purpose. The rest of it I agree with you on. And for my wife and I 5 gallon cassette toilets do have their benefit over a big black tank like being able to empty it at anytime without packing up camp and having to find a black tank dump
Cheers for answering my question! I was under the assumption that airstream had a better point of entry system for the roof given the aluminum shell, but wow I was wrong.
Same
Yes! That was wild! 😮
Shane.....lol. No, my comparison on Cayenne vs Tahoe was 'usage' or intended usage. Price is determined by what the end user is willing to pay (ultimately regardless of MSRP). I was pointing out Imaybe not made well but sarcasm is a live sport...ha) is that Airstreams are 'lot' trailers, MDC is an offroad trailer (marketed as such...at least by ROA). Both great trailers for the intended usage. Now, labeling your 'customers' comments as "pretty stupid",.....well, not a good look (as you say, "remember what your Mom taught you"). Your business though. Great videos and keep making them.
I think the big question is whether or not MDC or some of these other off road brands with even be around in 5 years. Lifetime warranty means nothing at this point.
MDC has been around since 2005 and we have good reason to believe they will continue to be around a long while here in the US market.
How is this for a comparison. Hailstorm challenge. Which will survive a hailstorm? Second question, grizzly bear attack which trailer would you rather be in? I would prefer to be an a Palomino Pause. Lol😅
According to your videos every unit you sell is the best in the world. Have a video comparing all the units you sell and show which one is actually the best.
I wish someone would take the floor plan of the Airstream flying cloud 25 front bed twin model, with no slides, and create a non-aluminum version of it. Put a mini split on the tongue of the trailer and make all vents go out the sides with full tip to tip solar that can run the ac off grid. And it must have the same number of windows with matching window coverage but use windows that don't suck like Airstream's. I'm still looking for this... Thinking of building it myself!
Regardless if you talk about off-road (MDC, Pause, Reboot) or on-road (Airstream), they all travel on the highway to get there, as do every other brand. One of the glaring problems with Airstream is how delicate the bodies are. You can lean against an Airstream and dent it, for instance. And in a hail storm, the Airstream is easily and seriously damaged. I've seen it over and over. Traveling in unstable weather, winter or summer, hail storms happen, and they are not kind to Airstreams. Very fragile. Airstream has the cool factor, and they are beautiful. But they are for camping in organized campgrounds, like a KOA, in good weather. This is because they have very limited battery power and limited, if any solar. You must be plugged in or run a generator to spend any time camping. One of the weak points with many trailers is the floor. Slow water leaks cause rotting and serious problems with plywood floors. Airstreams have plywood floors. Others, Like Pause and Reboot, have waterproof floors with no wood involved. Not sure with the MDC trailers. And then there is the winter rating. How good is the freeze prevention systems in the Airstreams? I just don't know, but in the winter rated trailers, like Pause and Reboot, and in the Imperial trailers, all piping is inside. They have tank heaters, heat ducted to the tanks and very good wall, floor and ceiling insulation. This helps in Summer too as the cooling load is reduced. Finally, the batteries. The entire industry is going to lithium batteries for good reason. But lithium batteries cannot be charged below 32 degrees. So they must be mounted where they are protected from cold. Where are the batteries in the Airstream? Last I checked, they only put in one group 24 AGM as the standard battery, which is good for maybe one night of careful use. Oliver and other manufacturers are having to reconsider their battery locations to meet modern power requirements with lithium batteries. How is Airstream dealing with this issue? Airstreams are beautiful and iconic. They have low wind resistance. Are comfortable. But their quality has slipped and they are falling behind on technology, it seems. Their construction is fragile and expensive to repair. Good for highway travel and camping in full service parks, but not for venturing off the road, or being exposed to bad weather. But they look cool.
Yeah so what you're describing in my mind is the difference between a travel trailer and a camping trailer. Airstreams could be built stronger no doubt. However, Airstream owners like myself don't need all the stuff you're talking about. I have 2 AGM batteries and it works fine for my use. Many only have one AGM battery. If Imperial Outdoors would take my interior and floor plan and put it in their trailer I would buy it tomorrow. Well they need other things too like a black tank. I used my Airstream a couple weeks ago in 17 degree temps. Only thing that may freeze are the tank drains that stick down out of the body. You can put heat tape on it. Tanks are heated.
A key comparison should be made betwen between the suspension and how well balanced these two travel trailers and how that affects the towing experience. The Airstream doesn't have the Trail Assure Electronic Stability Control System. There seems to be more value in what a customer pays for when purchasing and MDC travel trailer.
I notice you stopped carrying Conqueror. Is that a quality issue or are they not supported well here or have they just decided the North American market is not for them?
Yes! 😊
To all 3.
Don’t let the comments get to you. You have better content just showing what ROA offers.
Not question between airstream and 19 but that MDC x13. Can you review that?
Dude I am just giggling over here!
You guys specialize in Camping Trailers not Travel Trailers. What's the size of the black tank on the MDC? 5 Gallons LOL! No one looking for a travel trailer in the USA wants a 5 gallon cassette or a diaper genie toilet. Looking at the comments I think thats the point. Off road trailers are nice, but the only real travel trailer you guys promote are the Pause units. Here are my thoughts on the trailers you sell from an Airstream Owner's prospective:
Pause is the closest thing you have to a travel trailer (as an off road trailer). I like much of what Pause has done and if I had to buy one of your trailers right now it would be that. What turns me off on the pause is the exterior. Something about it makes it look too big and complex. Not just the graphics but also the height and the suspension. Interiors are great and they have a black tank! I have not seen any of the smaller ones in person. My Airstream sits much lower (I know not good for you camping guys) and much simpler with it's torsion axle.
MDC...cassette toilet is a no go. You guys who camp beside rocks can go out and use the bathroom outside. I'm at campgrounds, harvest host, and crackle barrel parking lots and I don't think it works for people like me that well but others can chime in. MDC trailers have too much going on with the exteriors. It's like what am I looking at! Too busy. Interiors look amazing. Needs a black tank for me.
Explore...This is my favorite looking trailer you sell but again no black tank. They have an awning that's completely useless without climbing a ladder. Because you guys made it for off roading the steps have to be attached each time which is ridiculous for my purpose. I like Explores exterior the best....it looks absolutely amazing. If Explore had steps like my Airstream and MDC, a black tank, and an electric awning I think it would be the trailer for me even more than the pause. Oh and maybe they can do an aluminum frame like the pause! Maybe step up the interior like the MDC and Pause cause their interiors do look good.
I don't think many of your other units are meant for traveling at all. They are just campers.
My Airstream is a 19ft Tommy Bahama Corner bed. It's 19ft long, has a dry bath, sleeps 4 people, and weights 4200lbs. No other trailer with those specs exist and for $60k. It's a beautiful trailer! The trailers you sell are awesome and I'm not knocking them. I'm just saying the Airstream is for me a better travel trailer than the others. Maybe that's what people mean by Porsche vs Tahoe. Now go build me the explore with a black tank, electric awning, and steps like the Airstream! Would probably appeal to a larger crowd.
Just my opinion, The exterior on the MDC maybe busy but it’s functional. The diamond plate paneling is more protective than just the fiberglass paneling that you see on campers/travel trailers, all of the doors have a purpose, slide out kitchen etc. yes it’s busy but it’s all for a purpose. The rest of it I agree with you on. And for my wife and I 5 gallon cassette toilets do have their benefit over a big black tank like being able to empty it at anytime without packing up camp and having to find a black tank dump
MDC reminds me of the Black Series which is not good.