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Lol ... but the Foo Fighters can’t touch his band ARBORETUM. Dave is amazing singer and player. Super under the radar band but they have put out some incredible records. - Rick / PureSalem Guitars
that was a huge help man ... i'm really into the psychedelic vibe kind of music and the major and minor pentatonic scales didn't seem to help me that much ... finding out how to mix the dorian and mixolidian mode correctly makes my playing a lot easier and interesting ... thanks dude great video
Final lesson - Improvisation while frying on Acid Challenge accepted. *cannot figure out how to plug in guitar* *drops pick in an ocean of colors* *distracted by fractals on the ground* *remembers past lives, forgets the challenge* *wishes I just smoked some weed instead*
@@marcusstoica His band ARBORETUM is amazing. Super underrated. He has a very soulful voice. The records sound fantastic .... check them out. - Rick / PureSalem Guitars
@Tom-yq8qyBecause E dorian is the second degree of D ionian (D major scale). And the B natural minor scale is the relative minor (6th degree) of D major (that means it has the same notes). So when you play B minor pentatonic over an E chord it sounds like E dorian pentatonic (same notes as D major pentatonic).
Dorian is a seven note mode. (As all modes are) If you want to play E Dorian you’d play from the 2nd note to the 9th note of the D major scale, thus producing E, F#, G, A, B, C#, D and octave E. (Dorian pentatonic misses the the most colourful half steps)
I need to learn from someone like you, I wish I knew of a teacher or even a guitar lesson app that focused on good music like this instead of chart music
Very useful! Not many ppl talk about modality outside of old classical music and Modal Jazz, Psychedelia is the forgotten one. The breakdown of the slide pull off and other techniques were cool as shit. Wish he could have kept going!
This was awesome. Dave is an incredible player and one of my favorite singers of all time. If you don’t know of his band ARBORETUM you need to check them out. They have a bunch of records out on Thrill Jockeyegc and all of them are fantastic. Super underrated band. - Rick Sell / PureSalem Guitars
Hey, I have a guitar just like that! It's a CF Martin solid body. Can't remember the model number, I think it's OM18. We like to refer to as the Casper the Friendly Ghost headstock guitar. I've got the original D'Armond pickups. Plays and sounds great.
Thank you Dave! Good demo cool sounds and playing too first. Secondly yes really cool and original-looking guitar. The sound reminds me of LaMonte Young and his love of the sound of a big step-down generator. John Cale and Lou Reed used to practice matching the tones their refrigerator made with guitar and viola. My favorite sounds in rock and roll and modern classical are the sounds of and electric 12-string but mostly the sound of an overloaded combo organ: Terry Riley ;96 tears The Soft Machine and Sister Ray 'natch. BTW I like your band's cover of S.Ray a lot too.
Hey so I don't want to discount your video but I have to point this out.... The "Dorian pentatonic" scale you're using is not completely characteristic of the dorian mode. That scale, b minor pentatonic over an E pedal, is actually applicable within the Dorian, mixolydian, and aeolian modes of E. This really is more of a suspended minor sound. If you want the true "Dorian pentatonic" scale, try playing an F# minor pentatonic scale over the E pedal. This causes you to play both the natural 9 and natural 6 scale tones, which are what give the Dorian scale it's key characteristic sound.
If I was playing E minor and looking for the Dorian position for pentatonic, I'd jump to A minor pentatonic. G is the relative major of E minor and the Dorian position for G major is A. I believe B pentatonic in an E minor context is the Phrygian position. You can play the exact same minor pentatonic scale in the Aeolian (E), Dorian (A) or Phrygian (B) positions over the E minor. Not being snooty here, just found this video while looking for 70's psychedelic guitar stuff and it got me thinking, which I appreciate...There's no "wrong" here.
+Dustin Plumb So he's talking about E Dorian, which is a minor scale. To loosely say E minor does not fully describe which minor scale we are talking about here (there are many minor scales). If we're talking about E Dorian Minor, the related minor modes from that scale are B Aeolian and F# Phrygian. Each of those modes, E Dorian, B Aeolian, and F# Phrygian, all have their own corresponding minor pentatonic scales. These three pentatonic scales all use notes from E Dorian. When you play the F# Minor pentatonic scale over an E Dorian chord, you are playing F#, A, B, C#, and E. Those notes are the natural 9, 11, 5, natural 13, and root of E Dorian, and the natural 9 and natural 13 are the key characteristic scale degrees/chord tones that differentiate the Dorian scale from other minor scales. Does that make sense?
+tylrbllmn yeah, I totally get that. Depending on what he's defining as his minor sound, there are 3 pentatonic positions that can be used. If he defines it as I described (E Aeolian), it's E, A and B positions, if he's defining E Dorian, it's E, F#, B and if he's defining E Phrygian, it's E, D and A. So at any one time, there are 5 pentonic positions that can work to define a minor modal sound. In the root E position, the minor pentatonic scale doesn't contain the key characteristic tones that differentiate Aeolian from Dorian (natural 6) or Phrygian (flat 9) and that's why the root position works so well. It's only when you jump away from the root pentatonic position that things start sounding more associated with a particular mode. Thanks for making me think this through! Fun stuff!
I am a little confused by your terminology. You say you are in key of E. You play E pentatonic which is 5 notes derived from the 7 note mode of E aeolian. E is the relative minor of Gmaj. So you are playing notes 1,23, 5&6 of Gmaj, beginning on E: E(6), G(1), A(2), B(3), D(5) @ ~1:45 you say you are using the Dorian Pentatonic of E, and you proceed to use the same pentatonic scale form but start on B. The Dorian mode of Gmaj is A dorian. The dorian pentatonic notes would be the same as above, except you begin on A. What you are actually playing @1:45, and calling Dorian Pentatonic, beginning on B, is the Aeolian mode of Dmajor. The notes in Dmaj are D(1), E(2), F#(3), G(4), A(5) B(6). SO, you are playing B(6), D(1), E(2), F#(3), A(5) B(6) @~1:45 I want to understand this; not trying to nitpick.
Except you are not really playing the dorian pentatonic. For example: the E dorian pentatonic has only E F# G B D ie the full dorian mode includes A and C#. Use of the dorian mode allows for longer slides following short single steps e.g F# to G ie one half step followed by slide G to B 4 half steps. This adds to the melodic atmosphere.
I think I got it. The answer is that you are playing in EMAJOR, CORRECT? I know that people often say, "play E blues, or play in E" and they mean, use the Emin pentatonic scale. But, from a lesson/theory standpoint, it's not the proper terminology. You are playin Bmin pentatonic, which is 1, b3, 4, 5 b7. For the root B, which has the following notes: B, C#, D#, E, F# G# A#, If you apply the minor Pentatonic formula, you end up with the notes B, D, E, F#, A. Same as my previous comment. It works with playing Em Pentatonic, because all of the notes are in the Gmajor scale. So, you aren't playing any notes out of key. The formula for a DORIAN Pentatonic Is 1, 2, b3, 5, 6. So a B dorian should have the notes B, C#, D, F#, G#. This would work in the key of Emajor, because it has all of the notes, but it would NOT work in Gmaj.
It would seem to me if he is referencing B dorian and E mixolydian then it is the key of A major, since those would be the 2nd and 5th degrees of A. In any case, he wasn't clear about the key. In theory, you can use any of the 7 modes and they will all have the notes of the key- some may sound better in different contexts.
I want the whole lotta ye to understand this. Yer references to the major scale go out the window when attempting to apply it to the Spanish Phrygian Mode, AKA the "Gypsy Scale. Best to learn yer modes based on the root note.... unless yer brain is stuck.
Dude, I like the sound of what you are doing, but you should really brush up on your theory before giving a lesson. Calling your first scale 'dorian pentatonic' just makes no sense at all (since neither the 3rd nor the major 6th are in it). Also playing over a drone doesn't really resemble 'modal soloing', since that would actually mean changing modes according to the underlying chord changes.
If you see what notes he is actually playing relative to E, they will be 1,2,4,5,7b - this is one of variations of dorian pentatonic (a second position of major pentatonic scale)
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Glad that dave grohl took sum time, to give us a lesson
Lol ... but the Foo Fighters can’t touch his band ARBORETUM. Dave is amazing singer and player. Super under the radar band but they have put out some incredible records. - Rick / PureSalem Guitars
that was a huge help man ... i'm really into the psychedelic vibe kind of music and the major and minor pentatonic scales didn't seem to help me that much ... finding out how to mix the dorian and mixolidian mode correctly makes my playing a lot easier and interesting ... thanks dude great video
Final lesson - Improvisation while frying on Acid
Challenge accepted.
*cannot figure out how to plug in guitar*
*drops pick in an ocean of colors*
*distracted by fractals on the ground*
*remembers past lives, forgets the challenge*
*wishes I just smoked some weed instead*
I typically find most drug motivated music to be pretty bad to be fair, can't imagine what it sounds like to the player
@@marcusstoica you have no imagination PERIOD
😂😂😂😂😂
@@marcusstoica His band ARBORETUM is amazing. Super underrated. He has a very soulful voice. The records sound fantastic .... check them out. - Rick / PureSalem Guitars
@@marcusstoicaI’m willing to bet you’ve never LISTENED TO an album THAT WASNT inspired by drug use
The Garcia is strong with this one
Too true
@Tom-yq8qyBecause E dorian is the second degree of D ionian (D major scale). And the B natural minor scale is the relative minor (6th degree) of D major (that means it has the same notes). So when you play B minor pentatonic over an E chord it sounds like E dorian pentatonic (same notes as D major pentatonic).
What about the other one?
Dorian is a seven note mode. (As all modes are) If you want to play E Dorian you’d play from the 2nd note to the 9th note of the D major scale, thus producing E, F#, G, A, B, C#, D and octave E. (Dorian pentatonic misses the the most colourful half steps)
Thanks! I was also realising that I rarely play a note twice. Even though it can sound awesome. You do it all the time.
I need to learn from someone like you, I wish I knew of a teacher or even a guitar lesson app that focused on good music like this instead of chart music
This is a very good lesson. You're a great teacher Dave. Greetings from Sweden!
Very useful! Not many ppl talk about modality outside of old classical music and Modal Jazz, Psychedelia is the forgotten one. The breakdown of the slide pull off and other techniques were cool as shit. Wish he could have kept going!
This was awesome. Dave is an incredible player and one of my favorite singers of all time. If you don’t know of his band ARBORETUM you need to check them out. They have a bunch of records out on Thrill Jockeyegc and all of them are fantastic. Super underrated band. - Rick Sell / PureSalem Guitars
There's no way this guy is human. His guitar work is tooo great
that guitar is awesome
Rayne Park martin em-18 only 1 of 3 electronic instruments martin guitar co tested out back in 1979
Love Drugz i may be wrong but it appears to be a sigma guitar and i am fortunate enough to have one
@Love Drugz looks like one from dan electro
Hey, I have a guitar just like that! It's a CF Martin solid body. Can't remember the model number, I think it's OM18. We like to refer to as the Casper the Friendly Ghost headstock guitar. I've got the original D'Armond pickups. Plays and sounds great.
Jamie Peghiny Lucky.
Thank you Dave! Good demo cool sounds and playing too first. Secondly yes really cool and original-looking guitar. The sound reminds me of LaMonte Young and his love of the sound of a big step-down generator. John Cale and Lou Reed used to practice matching the tones their refrigerator made with guitar and viola. My favorite sounds in rock and roll and modern classical are the sounds of and electric 12-string but mostly the sound of an overloaded combo organ: Terry Riley ;96 tears The Soft Machine and Sister Ray 'natch. BTW I like your band's cover of S.Ray a lot too.
The guitar is a Martin EM-18. i wish i could afford one :)
what do you do to get that guitar tone first off? Sounds great.
Hey so I don't want to discount your video but I have to point this out....
The "Dorian pentatonic" scale you're using is not completely characteristic of the dorian mode. That scale, b minor pentatonic over an E pedal, is actually applicable within the Dorian, mixolydian, and aeolian modes of E. This really is more of a suspended minor sound.
If you want the true "Dorian pentatonic" scale, try playing an F# minor pentatonic scale over the E pedal. This causes you to play both the natural 9 and natural 6 scale tones, which are what give the Dorian scale it's key characteristic sound.
or just play the diatonic version of E dorian, its not hard and it sounds really psychedelic.
If I was playing E minor and looking for the Dorian position for pentatonic, I'd jump to A minor pentatonic. G is the relative major of E minor and the Dorian position for G major is A. I believe B pentatonic in an E minor context is the Phrygian position. You can play the exact same minor pentatonic scale in the Aeolian (E), Dorian (A) or Phrygian (B) positions over the E minor. Not being snooty here, just found this video while looking for 70's psychedelic guitar stuff and it got me thinking, which I appreciate...There's no "wrong" here.
+Dustin Plumb So he's talking about E Dorian, which is a minor scale. To loosely say E minor does not fully describe which minor scale we are talking about here (there are many minor scales). If we're talking about E Dorian Minor, the related minor modes from that scale are B Aeolian and F# Phrygian. Each of those modes, E Dorian, B Aeolian, and F# Phrygian, all have their own corresponding minor pentatonic scales. These three pentatonic scales all use notes from E Dorian. When you play the F# Minor pentatonic scale over an E Dorian chord, you are playing F#, A, B, C#, and E. Those notes are the natural 9, 11, 5, natural 13, and root of E Dorian, and the natural 9 and natural 13 are the key characteristic scale degrees/chord tones that differentiate the Dorian scale from other minor scales. Does that make sense?
+tylrbllmn yeah, I totally get that. Depending on what he's defining as his minor sound, there are 3 pentatonic positions that can be used. If he defines it as I described (E Aeolian), it's E, A and B positions, if he's defining E Dorian, it's E, F#, B and if he's defining E Phrygian, it's E, D and A. So at any one time, there are 5 pentonic positions that can work to define a minor modal sound. In the root E position, the minor pentatonic scale doesn't contain the key characteristic tones that differentiate Aeolian from Dorian (natural 6) or Phrygian (flat 9) and that's why the root position works so well. It's only when you jump away from the root pentatonic position that things start sounding more associated with a particular mode. Thanks for making me think this through! Fun stuff!
thank you. I was 3 minutes into this video and I ready to flip.
Thank you for this great inspirational lesson!
May I ask what is the model of the guitar you are playing?
Hey man where do I find you doing more of these lessons ?
I am a little confused by your terminology.
You say you are in key of E. You play E pentatonic which is 5 notes derived from the 7 note mode of E aeolian. E is the relative minor of Gmaj. So you are playing notes 1,23, 5&6 of Gmaj, beginning on E: E(6), G(1), A(2), B(3), D(5)
@ ~1:45 you say you are using the Dorian Pentatonic of E, and you proceed to use the same pentatonic scale form but start on B.
The Dorian mode of Gmaj is A dorian. The dorian pentatonic notes would be the same as above, except you begin on A.
What you are actually playing @1:45, and calling Dorian Pentatonic, beginning on B, is the Aeolian mode of Dmajor. The notes in Dmaj are D(1), E(2), F#(3), G(4), A(5) B(6). SO, you are playing B(6), D(1), E(2), F#(3), A(5) B(6) @~1:45
I want to understand this; not trying to nitpick.
good video--tell us about the guitar
Tom S Martin EM-18
Tom S Martin EM-18
Miquel Santandreu thx
Very nice one, thank you very much.
reminds me of Nicolas cage
+Nasir pyro AWWW NO NOT THE MODES! NOT THE MODES!! AHH THEY'RE IN MY EARS!! MY EARS!! AAAAAAHHHHHGHGHGhhgh
+Nasir pyro Dave ghrol
And Dave Grohl too!
Nicolas Cage isn't as cool 😎😂
Jesus Nicolas Cage
I found this to be very helpful. Thank you.
Thanks good lesson and ideas🎸
what is the brand of your cool guitar? 😁
your guitar is great so is that drone tone
Good lesson. BTW. Are you sure you're not kin to Dave Ghrol?
great lesson, thanks, very enjoyable
what are the notes on piano¿
hey. i have one of those martin electrics. the same one an em18. how do you like it. putting mine up for sale. know anyone that would be interested?
what guitar is that?
Sounds like some Greatfull Dead influences in his playing.
Step 1 : Smoke entire bowl.
Step 2 : Create drone tone on looper pedal. (Optional - add lots of reverb and delay)
Step 3 : Blissfully noodle until happy.
That's a nice guitar. The pickups remind me of the ones on a Danelectro, except these ones are double coil. Who's the manufacturer?
awesome lesson!
You are great teacher. Thank you very much. Now I can play with my band a lot better. Psychonaut club fans stay tuned and keep on rocking ❤️🤟🖤💜💙💚💛🧡💓
he does not blink
This guy should dose out then make a tutorial video
Have you taken mushrooms
love your guitar what's it called?
It’s a replica of Jerry Garcia’s infamous custom guitar named “wolf” ......the good ones are a little pricey but boy they sure do sound good
Martin EM-18
how is this trippy sounding effect is created, pad? if yes which one? and is it possible to mimic the pedal effect on pc somehow?
Dave Human moment
can i do this with my Boss dd-7 digital delay?
So much sustain.... at the 5:00 ish mark
what guitar ir it?
What guitar is that
Except you are not really playing the dorian pentatonic. For example: the E dorian pentatonic has only E F# G B D ie the full dorian mode includes A and C#. Use of the dorian mode allows for longer slides following short single steps e.g F# to G ie one half step followed by slide G to B 4 half steps. This adds to the melodic atmosphere.
i thought dave grohl was your brother haha nice video sir!!
cool
what is that pickup? never seen it before
Yoziey lipstick humbucker
I don't know shit about guitars but this sounds nice
cant believe i just stumbled on the guitarist of Human Bell
is that alex g's father?
hold on, if its dorian why would he start on the 5th scale degree? that’s mixolydian
Dorian is the 5th scale degree in Aeolian, or minor. Its the 2nd in major.
Eaglon ahh, ok! thank you (:
@@nikolajjohnsen1513 What's the 4th scale degree in Aeolian?
without context of a chord structure, you're really just playing a major scale in different positions on the neck..
very jerry garcia like
your last name is the best thing ever
oh shit human bells pretty hype
Cool.... thanks man!! :-)
Sounds like Maurice Deebank's soloing.
I think I got it. The answer is that you are playing in EMAJOR, CORRECT? I know that people often say, "play E blues, or play in E" and they mean, use the Emin pentatonic scale. But, from a lesson/theory standpoint, it's not the proper terminology.
You are playin Bmin pentatonic, which is 1, b3, 4, 5 b7. For the root B, which has the following notes: B, C#, D#, E, F# G# A#, If you apply the minor Pentatonic formula, you end up with the notes B, D, E, F#, A. Same as my previous comment. It works with playing Em Pentatonic, because all of the notes are in the Gmajor scale.
So, you aren't playing any notes out of key. The formula for a DORIAN Pentatonic Is 1, 2, b3, 5, 6. So a B dorian should have the notes B, C#, D, F#, G#. This would work in the key of Emajor, because it has all of the notes, but it would NOT work in Gmaj.
It would seem to me if he is referencing B dorian and E mixolydian then it is the key of A major, since those would be the 2nd and 5th degrees of A. In any case, he wasn't clear about the key. In theory, you can use any of the 7 modes and they will all have the notes of the key- some may sound better in different contexts.
@Tom Except that Zappa's playing was deeply involved with modes and theory.
Am I the only one who thinks he looks like Kevin Parker in the tumbnail
Only when he looks at the ground
I want the whole lotta ye to understand this. Yer references to the major scale go out the window when attempting to apply it to the Spanish Phrygian Mode, AKA the "Gypsy Scale. Best to learn yer modes based on the root note.... unless yer brain is stuck.
learn to write eh
That's Nick Cage
This brother seems to have smoked a lot weed
This guy definitely acts like he's done a lot of psychedelic modal soloing over the years lol
Bradford Beard p
It does sound a lot like the late Jerry Garcia
thumbs-up if this feels like the bottom of a very deep hole
Dave Grohl
Dude, I like the sound of what you are doing, but you should really brush up on your theory before giving a lesson. Calling your first scale 'dorian pentatonic' just makes no sense at all (since neither the 3rd nor the major 6th are in it). Also playing over a drone doesn't really resemble 'modal soloing', since that would actually mean changing modes according to the underlying chord changes.
Funny you don't look like a Dave.
hold on, if its dorian why would he start on the 5th scale degree? that’s mixolydian
If you see what notes he is actually playing relative to E, they will be 1,2,4,5,7b - this is one of variations of dorian pentatonic (a second position of major pentatonic scale)