Really nice to see your enthusiasm and excitement. Best of luck to you!!! That being said, you have a tremendous amount of gear there…speaking as a former AT thru hiker…I would offer the advice of trying to lighten what you have there. No matter how fit you are and how much hiking you’ve done, this marathon will be the hardest thing you’ve ever done. Carrying a lot of gear almost guarantees an injury because it is indeed a marathon, not a sprint. I guarantee that you’ll be sending some of that home at Neal Gap. Just my opinion of course, but I think def worth considering. IMHO Reduce that med kit by 3/4, swap the heavy tights for a lighter option, you have a sleep clothes set so you don’t need the liner, as much as you love the multi tool you won’t use it, reduce the water kit specifically the mesh bag and syringe. I started w that exact same cup and even as a die hard coffee drinker, I ditched it for a much lighter option that nested. The tarp is overkil and heavy…think about looking at something like tyvek. One headlamp will do you. No scissors needed. You will be fine doing grooming at your town stops. Your water bottle will be in the front not two in the side. Put your tent and poles on the outside and ditch the extra sleep pad. Get an ultra light compression sack for the bag and dry clothes to greatly reduce the bulk. Please know that these comments are intended as helpful sage advice from a past hiker, (who is NOT ultrlight!) and not meant to be critical. You’re doing OK but you’ll be much happier if you can lighten a bit. Once you get rid of some of that bulk, and after a few days out, you’ll figure out the packing system that best works for you as far as accessibility for the items you use most. Again, best wishes to you!
😆😆 your appreciation for the bag was much higher when it was empty. I'm glad you decided to pack it for the first time on camera. ...My favorite line, "what do they expect me to do, carry half my s*** 2,000 miles". Lol!
We looked at the problem with product development and it's really impractical that the gear straps are so short. 😕 But good news, we're sorting it out for the next production batches. Sorry for any hassle, and big thanks for giving us the heads up on this! 🙌
Congrats and welcome to the AT Class of 2022. Similar to you, I am 61 and have been hoping to do a thru-hike for 30 years. So, my wife and I sold our house, quit our jobs and are taking a "Gap Year". We just completed a 5 month trip across the US in our Airstream and now I am attempting a thru hike. I depart NOBO from Springer Mt on Feb 26. Hope to see you out there...Lazarus
I have been seeing advertisements from Osprey for packs under $50 on facebook. This is the best gear review I have ever seen. I will definitely be watching you on the trail.
I needed to see this. I’m have been looking to get on trail for the past few years for a long thru hike. I’m an older hiker and like you have been collecting gear, I love my life and job... I’m getting that feeling I need to get on trail sooner then later. Thanks for the video
That’s awesome!! Good luck on your thru hike! The journey is the reward… so I’ve heard! I really think it’s awesome you are toughing it out with a huge pack full of stuff! I think it’s totally cool if people only hike 10 miles a day and if they stop and smell the roses!
You can do it! No worries about anyone's comments. You will become an expert on what works for you in whichever climate. You have a great slection to pick from and you won't know which is essential until experiencing what is to come. You are prepared and excited to go! Looking forward to the journey and growth!
What you need to focus on is resupply. Pack about 10 resupply boxes and have them mailed to locations along your route. And save money! Take zeros and enjoy a hotel stay every week or so. Good time to recharge. Other than that it’s just walking with friends and if the weather is bad use shelters. Just beware of mice. They will destroy equipment
You might consider trading out the blue tarp for a piece of precut Tyvek to use as a ground sheet. Just cut a shade smaller than the size of the tent so that water won't run down the rain fly and under your tent. Wash the Tyvek in the washing machine to make it quieter. Enjoy the journey! If it was me, I would only take one head lamp to save weight.
I heard tyvek sucks and falls apart. The tarp is free and light and I can shitcan it in a heartbeat. That's the least of my worries. Can swap out in town. I get it and appreciate it...I just was thinking it's dual purpose...I've seen videos where people use it to block wind in shelters too. I appreciate the advice...will think about it in remaining time. Cheers!
Getting a rain cover over a foam mat usually equals strapping it to the side of the pack. Several UL makers sell some very thin foam rolls that would be much easier to carry, as long as its only to protect your inflatable. A whole lot of your gear can be left at home, as its walking and not camping you’re doing. I sometimes struggle to differ between the two, but the lighter the better.
Thanks for your thoughts! I understand what you're saying but I can't look at my loadout and see anything that most don't carry or need (that carries any significant weight). In fact, many carry tons of camera gear...I have a few ideas for reducing clothes weight and space, however. It's amazing how clothes add up!
@@KAFKUBA Here is how I see it, only personal opinion so don’t worry. And I don’t even thru hike (wish I had more time). You only need one 500-900ml pot + a folding cup. Only need a single lighter, no more fire starting kit needed (lots of people around to borrow a lighter from If you loose yours), don’t need the multitool, first aid kit I’d recomend to diy (you need tape, blister treatment of choice, and a bunch of pills), a needle and floss + the tape should handle repairs, only need a single headlamp (phone will do for back up), don’t need the bandada as you have a small towel, don’t need extra rope, no need for hair/beard scissors If you carry a small victorinox classic like everyone else, the tarp might be a bit heavy compared to tyvek? And the liner bag, its big and heavy. MLD makes a very light hygiene liner, if you reallly want to protect the bag.
@@ThePreparedNorseman I appreciate the help! One funny story about the multi tool... my son needed to repair a tent pole on our last hike and needed to borrow it. Lol
@@KAFKUBA glad he got it sorted! I broke my camping chair last winter, put it down on a lump of ice. Thing bent all out of shape! The leatherman Squirt ps4 is pretty dang light, if it was not so expensive over here I might have bought one all ready hehe!
I have the same start date. I take a shuttle to Big Stamp Gap after sign in at Amicalola Falls. You’ll make some adjustments by Neel Gap where you can mail stuff home from Mountain Crossings.
I never have done the approach trail. When I step out of the shuttle on the trail one mile north of Springer that puts me 20 minutes from beginning a NOBO.
@@KAFKUBA it is a wasted day of 8-9 miles on tuff terrain. The water fall is beautiful for a day hike but we’re hoping for 140 plus days of hiking in awl inspiring mountains. Extra miles will be needed for a hitch or town walks to do laundry, etc. So-the less unnecessary miles for me the better. I hope we meet up.
A lot of people posting videos about 2022 runs that I'm thinking don't realize what they are getting into attempting it in the middle of winter. It's good that you've made a smart choice to wait. The tarp is going to heavy and I don't think anyone brings them but I understand why you did. I would just invest time in finding a better option. Bandanas come in very handy, those are a good choice. I would bring several. They have a lot of uses (wet it and put it around your neck to stay cool, "hat", face covering, towel/wipe, etc). I see one lighter but might just not see the rest - bring 3 and store them in different places in the pack. Don't take anything I've said as a statement that you don't already know. Just input from experience and research. A few things I've found to be smart choices: extra shoestrings (1-2) for the obvious reason as well as doubling as a way to tie/wrap something, duct tape (not just for repair but it's the BEST fire starter in the world if you need it). The footprint is one of the harder choices. After a year of working out the AT gear I still haven't decided what to use and eliminated a few options. The pants I would get in a dark color. That color will look really bad after a short time. You will want rain pants, but I don't recommend the FrogToggs pants UNLESS you get them fixed because they are VERY long and baggy. Look into a rain cover for your bag. The included Sawyer bags are known to bust so I would get a Platypus and use the included as a backup. Maybe get smaller scissors or multi-tool/knife. For your glasses get some straps that attach to your glasses (I wear glasses too).
@@KAFKUBA Right on. Just made some notes as I was watching. Hope at least one gave you some ideas. I see you had some concerns about the bag position. Hopefully you can adjust it. I know a lot of packs have adjustments for that. Hit an REI if you have to and maybe they can help you figure it out. Maybe see you out there in March. P.S. As someone said definitely change the pack if you think you need to. There are a few that are very popular for AT.
@@mtpstv94 Thank you! I just ordered the Granite Gear Blaze 60...it was at the top of my list a while but I shied away from it because I didn't think I would like the open cylinder type pack, but I think it will be great and it's 2lbs lighter than the others I've been trying...AND it's rated for larger hauls.
Great video my guy…in the winter I would deff start with the pants and you will probably end up wanting to hike in leggings too. Also you should just bring one pot and the cup. Should start the hike with only the NECESSITIES you think you will need and maybe a few luxury items. Pack weight=joint soreness which will be the first thing to take you off trail so every ounce matters.
Its late - but for future readers - I haven't used the Deuter, but with other packs with straps of similar size, you can sometimes open the sleeping pad half way and cinch it in. Otherwise, possible to put it under the brain (also halved); put it through the straps that cinch the lid down, or strap it to the side
You'll work out the pack situation. It takes a bit of time to get used to a new one and how to put everything in it. I start on March 20th, hope to see you on trail.
I will use the hyperlite windrider 4400 for $312 that is a top loader 70 liter internal with almost 10 liters external mesh storage. When it gets warmer and I send things home and I can roll down the top. Dyneema material so I will not use a pack cover, just a liner, and weighs in at 38.9oz. I have hiked with it and it is very comfortable and well made. The very best wishes for your upcoming hike!
Awesome gear load out. Best of luck on your adventure! Congrats on getting your leave from work. New follower here. I will watch your videos. I hope to hike the AT when I am 57 as well. Right now, my videos are just a weekend warrior on the trail. Great gear choices. Crow✌️
You made me laugh several times. Mainly because I've experienced your frustrations. I also plan on hiking the trail starting at the end of March. I am a few years older but in good shape. I have been planning and preparing to hike the AT for about eight years. My retirement a few months ago makes it a reality. You are where I was about three years ago. Fast forward to today with many thousands spent and closets FULL of hiking gear I can outfit at least three thru Hikers with plenty to spare. I live near the AT in NY and have often treated hikers to lunch while picking their brains. I always remember what one hiker told me about weight. He said about week into the trail you will be so desperate to drop weight you will shave off excess body hair (you already have an edge!). I will be starting out with a 14lb. base weight and drop down to 12lb. in the warmer weather. I could be lighter but I splurged when it came to my sleep system. My sleeping pad is 8oz. heavier than yours and I carry a 7oz. pillow. I was going to carry a cut down foam pad as well as an air mattress but with the heavier air mattress in conjunction with a Gossamer gear 1/4 foam pad it is unnecessary. Plus I don't have to contend with constantly bumping into things with the pad. You are defiantly on the right track with the GG Blaze 60. The one thing to keep mind on every gear choice is less weight equals greater chance of success and a far more enjoyable experience.
Certainly hike your own hike but I will offer some thoughts. Definitely look into another pack. I used a frame pack for several years (been backpacking for 50 years) and now use dyneema (Hyperlight Mountain Gear Southwest) and would not go back - lighter and nearly 100% waterproof (still protect insulation in dry bags). Do not pack your fears - but be safe. First Aid Kit appears large - use leukotape, 2X2 gauze pads & antibacterial ointment for most minor wounds / blisters plus some personal meds. Your sleeping clothes can help keep the bag clean so consider replacing the liner with another warm clothing layer - much more flexible. Beanie for cold nights? As others have commented - multiple headlamps is overkill. Go with a Tyvek footprint as it is durable with a little care and it can be used as a crude rainfly. You could trim your foam pad to 3/4 or even 1/2 length and still meet your needs (saves bulk not weight). Did you include a wall charger with the battery bank? 20000 mAh is a little large for the AT. Spend significant time on food planning and try out meals you expect to have on trail - if you don't have an iron stomach, this could make or break your hike. If not already in your plans, squeeze in as many shakedown hikes as you can. GOOD LUCK on the trail !
@@KAFKUBA Proper prepping and then the first days on trail are hard for most everyone and there will periodically be other difficult times. BE PATIENT and you will figure it out. That is part of the fun, the adventure - and the reward. From your channel, it looks like you can improvise and adapt - skills that will serve you well out in the "wild". Set reasonable goals and ENJOY your hike !
Sorry to say but you have too much stuff. An ultra lite waterproof Poncho--tarp -groundcloth combo could replace the heavy blue tarp and useless pack cover. I purchased one on Ali express in bright orange and it looks ridiculous but it weights nothing is teensy., cost under $40 and shipped and arrived within 2 weeks from UL gear. I am pleased. Hunters can’t say they didn’t see me. and it’s easy to spot me in the forest when I will get lost. You are not bush crafting so loose the fero rod, scissors, etc. A roll top brainless pack is much easier to use and you need pockets in the front and side water bottle pockets that are easy to reach. I have been redoing my pack(s) and the stoves, clothes, electronics, tools, food, gadgets constantly.I enjoyed your video and will follow you in spirit as you hike your hike.
Go with your gut. If the pack isn’t working, try out another. Take your gear in a bag to your favorite outfitter store and load up several and try them out. I tried several and ended up with the Outdoor Vitals Shadowlight. It’s less than 2# and fits all my gear (I’m a bit of an over packer right now). I got the 45L on purpose to limit myself. I was able to get my 0° pod, hammock and warm clothes plus 5 days worth of food in it. Loaded it was 30# so I have some trimming work to do. I too like a cup and got a collapsible one that fits inside my pot. I love it! Happy Hiking!
Thank you! I just ordered the Granite Gear Blaze 60...it was at the top of my list a while but I shied away from it because I didn't think I would like the open cylinder type pack, but I think it will be great and it's 2lbs lighter than the others I've been trying...AND it's rated for larger hauls.
Dude, great commentary! Cracking me up! My base weight was about 19lbs in winter and 16lbs in summer. 25-30lbs is a non issue for a week long section hike but I promise that you don’t want to carry that for 2193.1 miles. It’ll take its toll over time. Just my 2 cents.
Lol thanks. I think my weight will be lower...I just ordered a backpack that was on my list for a while and it's 2lbs lighter, plus I've been packing all my clothes that I will likely be wearing on the trail...just to get a conservative sense of things. I remember one of your videos where someone brought a tarp that protected you from the wind in a shelter...that made me think a tarp and rope was a good idea...I think I'm close and can dump shit within a week if need be. Thanks for laughing...if you laughed at that just wait...more comedy and complaining ahead. Lol. I just hope I can find a group that likes to bust chops on the trail. Hopefully everyone isn't touchy feely and nice. Haha
@@KAFKUBA You’ll do fine. It’s mostly mental. The tiniest bit of negativity can really start a snowballing affect that’s hard to get out from under. Especially when you’re freezing and wet. Once you get to that point it becomes easy to justify reasons to quit. It’s cliche but you really have to embrace the suck.
I'd prioritize rain/wind pants over spares of anything. They can do triple duty - vapor barrier of sorts if it gets real cold sleepng, rain pants (it's gonna rain, a lot), and laundry day clothing. The rest of your load out is personal decisions. I can't reach water bottles either - I bought a shoulder strap water bottle holder from zPacks that fits a 700ml Smartwater bottle perfectly. Good luck on your hike!
I have the same bag but smaller and put my mat or tent under the straps of the brain but on the front of the pack. With the cover you could just place in in between without strapping it down, worked with 1 of my covers.
If you get an Osprey the Atmos 65 or any Osprey with the anti gravity it will probably not work because the main chamber is narrow due to the anti gravity. Also the pockets are deceiving when the chamber is full and will not hold as much as you think.
How many days/nights have u spent on a trail with this gear in preparation for the AT? The more you practice with your gear, you will learn what u need and will use. Remember, GA has a lot of road junctions to get off the trail if needed. GA will be cold and rainy. Repack your food into freezer bags. Remember ounces equals pounds. Have a great hike!!
It's like joining the marines or deciding to have kids... you figure it out... you don't practice getting shot at or rent a kid... I've had much success using this approach. There's only so much you can prepare. Big thing is I worked out every day of my life and have had many hard challenges mental and physical. If I fail, it's back to work! Thanks for the encouragement! See you out there.
I am glad I watched this video, I was about to order that Deuter. I'll be honest, I would have thought that you'd want a larger pack - at least 70-80 liters. I am not an experienced backpacker, I'm just speculating based on what little I know.
I got the Osprey Atmos it says 65 but closer to 68, but with the rain cover, nothing is strapping on the outside. Which is why I placed everything in dry bags made out of dyneema
I’m 67 and done it , you can do it . Comfort is important , I carried 50 lbs comfortably with my osprey atmos 70 liter backpack , with a helinox cot and helinox swivel chair . I hiked 3 months thru GA , NC , & Tennessee Smokey’s . You won’t like frog togs , I tried them and they sweat terribly . Lekki Trekking poles are great 👍 that’s what I used… hike your hike and don’t listen to people , you will adjust as you go !!!
Rain covers don’t work for several reasons , a over size rain poncho is the best , I went thru 4 backpacks And one was the osprey 48 liter . You can travel light if you wanna be miserable , my opinion …
Safety is always first !!! Osprey is best for packing and comfort , I learned it does matter how you pack your pack , there are videos on it watch them . I started out packing mine wrong and made adjustments , like night and day in how it carried . Note , the weight should be near the top and close to your body not on the bottom , try it , it does make a difference ..
You can put the sleeping pad between the top loader and the bag. Also loose the straps from the top loader that faces your back and tight the ones in the front of the pack attached to the brain itll push the top loader fwd. my osprey used to kick it back like that to me but thats whenever im using synthetic sleeping bag and a bear canister. Don’t worry about ultra lighter as long as ur strong or train for it you will be alright
Now it is your turn. I am at 69 going on 70. I hike each day 8 miles with a ruck sack. I hike Nijmegen 100 miles March x4 in Holland, French death march 100km in 24 hours, 80km Bern Switzerland x3, and many German marathon volksmarches. Believe I could do the Appalachian trail NB. My only issue now is my combat injuries in Vietnam in 2 helicopter shoot downs. We shall see.
You’re a year ahead of me, so I’m just now getting serious about kit. Love my Kelty Tioga but I don’t want to lug that almost six pound beast for six months. Down to the final 2 or 3 options. Already getting nervous about asking for LOA from a good company, but I’m willing to early retire to get this out of my system. I learned to use tyvek instead of a tarp, and reflectix insulation under the pad. You’ll get it worked out. Thanks for sharing. I’ll be with you to Katahdin!
Thanks! FYI I ordered the Granite Gear Blaze 60. Check it out. Cut 2.5 pounds, has a 60 haul rating, great reviews. Check it out on Outdoor Gear Lab. I was reluctant about these single bag packs but i love this one...I think I'll be pleased. I'll post a video when it arrives.
I wanted to add that the guys at the Neal Gap outfitter can give you a gear shakedown. They are EXTREMLY knowledgeable Consider stopping there BEFORE you start. Admittedly they can be brutal in their assessment…but at least listen to what they’re saying and consider carefully. You can always bump some gear ahead and if you change your mind about what you need to be mentally comfortable, then it’ll be there waiting in less than a weeks walk.
@@KAFKUBA you’re exactly right about that. Of course the more you carry it’s just plain hard to get up those hills, but the MAIN reason you go as light as possible is to prevent injury. You’ll do fine for a week or two no matter how hard it is to get up the Mt and then you’ll start having problems w knees and ankles. Nothing will put you permanently off trail for a good long while faster than tweaking a knee or developing something like tendinitis from the day after day stresses on everything below the hips. Take it from someone who’s been thru that when I first started LDH and don’t know my ass from my elbow. 🙂
The first time it rains, you won't want to pack your tent like that or everything will be wet. I carry mine strapped to the bottom wrapped with a thin cut-down yoga pad to both protect it and provide me an entryway for getting in and out of the tent. Punt the Z-pad, the air mattress is enough.
I thru hiked the AT last year and the majority of the trail I hiked with about 25-30lbs including food and water. I like your vid, and it sounds like you really did your research and got some really good gear. There will most likely be some small things that you ditch along the way, but that’s something that most people end up doing. It’s crazy how every little ounce adds up to pounds, and you really feel it on a thru hike. I carried a small scissors on my thru hike and nail clippers, and I left any knife or multi tool at home because it was no use to me out there. My other 2 cents (and you’re prob already doing this) but leave all the Sawyer squeeze extras at home, including the plunger. You will usually find the plungers in hiker boxes at hostels and will only need to back flush your filter every so often. To back flush it on trail, use a flip cap (from a smaller smartwater bottle) and use that to back flush your filter. There are lots of UA-cam vids on how to do that. I’m excited for ou all to start your journey this year!!
I forgot to add that there is a blue coupling that you can buy separately for the Sawyer squeeze that some people like to use to attach the filter between to bottles and gravity filter your water. It’s not necessary, but sometimes is nice to use.
Strap extenders to extend the straps on the outside to hold your pad, or simply switch to a neo air xtherm pad, or just go with your neo air xlite and put your emergency blanket over it. You have alot of smalls, they add up to alot of weight. Your gonna want to put things you will use during the day like your water filter on the outside mesh pocket. My suggestion based on my 2018 AT Experience, you have too much, too much weight, try not to pack your fears. I do go ultralight, you can do it with the right pack, I use Zpacks Arc Haul, works great, I do not have alot of smalls, just a pint size first aid kit, one headlamp, my entire sleep system in a compression sac, Big Agnes Copper Spur Platinum 2 with footprint, polychro is awesome too or tyvek both very light. You can move easier, quicker, with less pain and soarness with less weight. I am in my 50s and I too will be taking another shot at this soon. My heavy things are my technology bag, my cold weather gear, and food remember you can switch things out, send stuff home. I scrutinized every piece of my gear and if I could lighten it up without sacrifice to safety, then I did. In fact I switched tents and sleeping bags 4 times until I got it right, switched clothes 3 times, switched pads 4 times, for me it was a long long process, but it was all based on my 2018 experience, because next time, I want to make it and be successful. That was just one part, for the past couple years I have been focusing on the mental preparation, a critical component. Anyway, Best of luck, enjoy the journey, I have subbed and will be following
On my thru hike I used the same neo air xlite pad, and I added a really thin 1/8”(?) foam pad (Gossamer Gear) that I could fold up into a square and put inside of my backpack. (Fyi, I am a cold sleeper). I don’t think you will need the big foam pad that you have. And if you wanted to strap that to the outside, I highly suggest cutting off the original pack straps and buying some shock cord and making your own (Gossamer Gear sells this too). Once you start going thru NH and Maine, and some areas before that, you won’t want anything on the bottom of your back because it will launch you forward as you try to scoot your ass down and over big steep boulders. It becomes very dangerous (hence why I ended up putting my thin pad inside my pack). You could also use cords to strap your pad to the top of your pack, or the very back side like my friend did.
Lol. 😂We don't freeze our arses off or run like hell.. we also don't pack our fears which helps lighten our packs. .lol.. that and sometimes a sht load of money on UL gear. Only you can decide what's best for you. If you like your set up then stick with it. If not you can ditch it, trade it out and/or mail it home on trail. I'm rooting for you. Good luck out there!!!
Love Leki sticks! Also, the only one that should worry about how much your gear weighs is the person carrying it. You can always send stuff home if you decide you don’t need it. See ya out there!
Thank you for the support and comment Jeanette! It's not as bad as people think. I'm going to be under 20 base even with comfort items. Follow up video to come.
I wouldn't worry about it. Just buy a couple of those bungee ball things, and you can hang whatever you want off the bottom. Odds are, by Fontana, you will probably have ditched the 8 lbs of your gear that you decided you don't really need enough to haul up from the dam to Clingmans. By Hot Springs, you'll be eyeballing lighter packs and polycro groundsheets at the outfitter before you hit the laundrymat. A couple of weeks after that, you'll be looking at the half of the Z-lite you kept while clipping your toenails with your multi-tool at Bob's Dairyland as someone borrows the tweezers from your multi-tool to get rid of a tick.
@@KAFKUBA Your follow up looks like your Granite Gear acquisition saved you from the Hot Springs pack shopping. That pack has been a popular replacement in Hot Springs and Damascus for years. Don't discount Bobs Dairyland. Their 42 ounce milkshake and Holy Cow triple chili cheeseburger is enough to satisfy almost any calorie deficit. That being said, I put the over/under on your flashlights at 1.5, especially if the one charges reliably.
@@KAFKUBA There's nothing funny about you catching the Deuter prior to hauling it for a hundred miles. You'll appreciate the GG pack. Those compression straps let you carry 20 liters as well as 60 without flopping around. And Bobs Dairyland is a thing. Hikers stop there after getting a ride from Carvers Gap or hitching from the 19E hostel. Most of their food is good, but I would skip the BBQ. Never get BBQ from a place that doesn't have a smoker.
I have the nemo Dragonfly. Been on a few hikes with it and so far I love it. I like that the tent bag has the option to cinch at half size. I store the tent poles and stakes on a pocket outside my pack. It's a good option when internal space is at a premium.
You got a lot of things right. --But the blue tarp, man, that will shred the first month. Maybe check out a Tyvek sheet. If you like the idea of 'tie outs', you can add a few grommets to it. ZPacks has pre cut Tyveks if you don't want to go to the hardware store. --The problem with heavier weights is they make hikers more prone to hike-ending injuries. If you're a 22 year old Marine, it's less of a problem. --"I'm 57 years old". Please. I'm 67 and will be at Springer on April 1st. Nimblewil Nomad just finished the AT at 83. You're just a kid. --Head lamps. You only need ONE. I totally support a backup light, maybe a Petzl ELITE as a backup. Nothing that requires AA or AAA batteries. -The pack: oh the good/bad old days. I had the Kelty too (long gone). I like the ZPacks Arc Haul. It has optional side pockets which I hear you saying you love. Maybe look at the Arc Zip if you hate the "tube" backpacks. Also look at the ULA CDT and Granite Gear. Here's the thing...every OUNCE adds up. Ounces become pounds without even trying. The older people get, THE MORE they have to concentrate on weight. You save a few ounces in one are so you can splurge on few ounces in other comfort areas. --Look at a compression sack for your sleeping bag --Falling off the sleeping pad. A lot of people don't tolerate the 20 inch wide sleeping pads because they say they fall off them, so they upgrade to the 24 inch wide pads. Maybe you just bought too narrow of a sleeping pad. If you still come off a 24 inch pad, maybe try adding the Gossamer Gear 1/8 foam pad between your sleeping bag and your sleeping pad. That will add a layer of friction and more warmth. --Z Lites are nice. I like them. Maybe cut a couple feet off. You're mainly looking for insulation from your neck to hips. --A decent base weight for a newbie is around 17 pounds. --Lastly, be aware that you pack your FEARS. I'm not saying to not be aware of things like cold, just be aware of that. TheMed kit could be 1/4 of what you've got.
Great comments thank you. I am thinking about everything you discuss. By the way, as I've replied to others, my Granite Gear Blaze 60 is on route! I'm just a kid? Lol. Well, based on genetics in my family, I'm either going to live to 95 or be dead in 10 years...I can't gamble with not going now! Cheers!
@@KAFKUBA My dad dropped dead at 49. I'm still here. The Blaze is good. My friend has that and regularly carries over 40 pounds in it. (He also carries half his wife's weight). But he's a very large man too and goes hunting carrying 80 pound packs, so for him it's a lot lighter. I guess it's all relative. Just always be looking for ANY way to keep cutting ounces. You'll do fine. Patience.
Again, great comments here, based on my own 2018 AT attempt, going sideways and returning home and going back to the drawing board and really figured out and dialed in everything that will make me successful next time. It began with really listening to veteran hikers that made it.
TENT! That tent will get heavier as you go and it’s pack size is huge. Water weight from the rain storms will have you hauling a heavier tent in no time. If a Tarptent Li isn’t in the budget, go with some version of a dyneema tent system. Lots of providers out there. With the decrease size, you’ll be able to get the rest of your gear in your bag. I started with the Nemo daggar 2p and it’s an awesome tent, just not a thru hike tent. Imo of course.
First off, good luck on your trip! It takes time to dial in your gear to what is a balance between actual needs and comfort items. From my years of experience you have way to many items for what you will truly need. You have a really good pack, tent and seem to have a decent sleeping bag. (put that in a compression sack so it doesn't take up so much of your bottom compartment). I would ditch your folding pad, or cut it down for a small sit pad, and also maybe replace your pad with a more insulated one like the Nemo. You can probably ditch your big tarp, and cut one of your extra nylofume liners into a rectangle and use that as your ground sheet. Finally cut down on your extra smalls, like you only need 1 headlamp, so take the rechargeable one. Anyway, try not to pack your fears, or a big med kit, and enjoy your hike! I would make other suggestions, but this is your hike, and I'm sure you will figure it out. Less is More! Good luck!
Thanks Scott! I'm dialing it in now I will post an update soon. Thanks for your suggestions! It means alot. The first thing I did was order the Granite Gear Blaze 60.. it was on my original wish list.. should have stuck with my hunch... that's 2lbs cut right there and all the features I was hoping to get with the Deuter.
Lots of good suggestions in this comment. Maybe use a piece of polychro for a footprint, maybe go with a neoair xtherm ditch the other pads, definitely one pot compression sacs are awesome, also may be too much redundancy about keeping things dry raincover for pack and keep sleeping bag, pillow,etc in comp sac or trash bag you will be fine, but yeah weight is everything take it from me my attempt in 2018 went sideways. I will be back out soon for another attempt. Dont pack your fears. Best of luck, enjoy your journey. I have subbed and will be following.🙋♂️👻⛰
Great review. May want to consider tyvek vs the blue tarp for weight savings. Also, checkout bottle holder to put on your shoulder straps - Justin on Etsy makes a good one.
I would recommend a Gregory paragon, I have the 58 liter but with all your gear you might go the next size up.68 liter I think.having said that if I was doing the at I would probably get a ula backpack.best of luck and happy trails!
You are way to stressed over what to expect on the trail. Get rid of half that crap in your pack my man. The AT in the bubble will be packed with hikers- through and section/day hikers. You will be in a town every other day to resupply etc…so no need for huge first aid kit. This is not the Amazon. It’s a VERY social and busy trail that doesn’t get remote until Maine.
I have discovered too that hiker boxes at most hostels and stops are filled with things if you should truly need something. In fact you could probably outfit yourself for free by visiting hostels and gearing up, ha😀
lol!!! Emergency cord so that I can end my life!....OMG....lol. I love my GSI cup! I think I have the same Leki poles. I'm planning to ditch the contact lenses. I'm near sighted, so taking my glasses off to see up close is easy. I'm interested to see what gear you shed during the trip.I have some videos where I've taken the kitchen sink on some motorcycle camping trips. My Osprey Atmos 65 AG fits in that spot too easy.
@@KAFKUBA No. I just UA-camd this certain pack since I just bought one. I see that your video is one year old. Did you return the pack or went with it? Strap situation should be easy to solve with some kind of extension.
Definitely excited to follow along with the journey. I am ana aspiring astronaut and am trying to share my journey with the UA-cam community as well. Would love if anyone got some value out of it!
Follow 4 Pots Lite"s advice. You have waaaaay too much gear/weight. Two headlamps.....lmao! that's just the tip of the ice berg you are trying to carry.
I like the idea... when you're kneeling around tent, protecting tent floor, use as a seat, keep pad from slipping, extra insulation... I'll evaluate as I go, but I appreciate the thoughts!
Really nice to see your enthusiasm and excitement. Best of luck to you!!! That being said, you have a tremendous amount of gear there…speaking as a former AT thru hiker…I would offer the advice of trying to lighten what you have there. No matter how fit you are and how much hiking you’ve done, this marathon will be the hardest thing you’ve ever done. Carrying a lot of gear almost guarantees an injury because it is indeed a marathon, not a sprint. I guarantee that you’ll be sending some of that home at Neal Gap. Just my opinion of course, but I think def worth considering. IMHO Reduce that med kit by 3/4, swap the heavy tights for a lighter option, you have a sleep clothes set so you don’t need the liner, as much as you love the multi tool you won’t use it, reduce the water kit specifically the mesh bag and syringe. I started w that exact same cup and even as a die hard coffee drinker, I ditched it for a much lighter option that nested. The tarp is overkil and heavy…think about looking at something like tyvek. One headlamp will do you. No scissors needed. You will be fine doing grooming at your town stops. Your water bottle will be in the front not two in the side. Put your tent and poles on the outside and ditch the extra sleep pad. Get an ultra light compression sack for the bag and dry clothes to greatly reduce the bulk.
Please know that these comments are intended as helpful sage advice from a past hiker, (who is NOT ultrlight!) and not meant to be critical. You’re doing OK but you’ll be much happier if you can lighten a bit. Once you get rid of some of that bulk, and after a few days out, you’ll figure out the packing system that best works for you as far as accessibility for the items you use most. Again, best wishes to you!
Thanks for the advice! I've made a few changes here and there.
😆😆 your appreciation for the bag was much higher when it was empty. I'm glad you decided to pack it for the first time on camera. ...My favorite line, "what do they expect me to do, carry half my s*** 2,000 miles". Lol!
I'm glad I made you laugh! That's why I like doing these videos. Thanks for watching and commenting Aaron!
We looked at the problem with product development and it's really impractical that the gear straps are so short. 😕
But good news, we're sorting it out for the next production batches.
Sorry for any hassle, and big thanks for giving us the heads up on this! 🙌
Hey thanks for watching and standing behind your products!
I 58 and I’m doing the same thing . I still have a few things to wrap up. Hope to see you out there. Good Luck and Good Health !
Thanks Joseph... see you out there hopefully.
Congrats and welcome to the AT Class of 2022. Similar to you, I am 61 and have been hoping to do a thru-hike for 30 years. So, my wife and I sold our house, quit our jobs and are taking a "Gap Year". We just completed a 5 month trip across the US in our Airstream and now I am attempting a thru hike. I depart NOBO from Springer Mt on Feb 26. Hope to see you out there...Lazarus
Hope to see you too Lazarus!
I have been seeing advertisements from Osprey for packs under $50 on facebook. This is the best gear review I have ever seen. I will definitely be watching you on the trail.
Wow thanks Jerry!
nice gear
best of luck on the thru hike!
Thanks friend
Did you make it? Haven't watched your videos yet
@@KAFKUBA yup did the AT twice, really love the trail
@@KAFKUBA ua-cam.com/video/3xgxHeWLLNc/v-deo.html
thats my first one in 2017
@@baskets8429 good for you! I'll watch this
I needed to see this. I’m have been looking to get on trail for the past few years for a long thru hike. I’m an older hiker and like you have been collecting gear, I love my life and job... I’m getting that feeling I need to get on trail sooner then later. Thanks for the video
Thank you for the kind comment. I hope you make the time.
That’s awesome!! Good luck on your thru hike! The journey is the reward… so I’ve heard! I really think it’s awesome you are toughing it out with a huge pack full of stuff! I think it’s totally cool if people only hike 10 miles a day and if they stop and smell the roses!
You can do it! No worries about anyone's comments. You will become an expert on what works for you in whichever climate. You have a great slection to pick from and you won't know which is essential until experiencing what is to come. You are prepared and excited to go! Looking forward to the journey and growth!
Thanks for the encouragement!!
What you need to focus on is resupply. Pack about 10 resupply boxes and have them mailed to locations along your route. And save money! Take zeros and enjoy a hotel stay every week or so. Good time to recharge. Other than that it’s just walking with friends and if the weather is bad use shelters. Just beware of mice. They will destroy equipment
You might consider trading out the blue tarp for a piece of precut Tyvek to use as a ground sheet. Just cut a shade smaller than the size of the tent so that water won't run down the rain fly and under your tent. Wash the Tyvek in the washing machine to make it quieter. Enjoy the journey! If it was me, I would only take one head lamp to save weight.
I heard tyvek sucks and falls apart. The tarp is free and light and I can shitcan it in a heartbeat. That's the least of my worries. Can swap out in town. I get it and appreciate it...I just was thinking it's dual purpose...I've seen videos where people use it to block wind in shelters too. I appreciate the advice...will think about it in remaining time. Cheers!
Getting a rain cover over a foam mat usually equals strapping it to the side of the pack. Several UL makers sell some very thin foam rolls that would be much easier to carry, as long as its only to protect your inflatable. A whole lot of your gear can be left at home, as its walking and not camping you’re doing. I sometimes struggle to differ between the two, but the lighter the better.
Thanks for your thoughts! I understand what you're saying but I can't look at my loadout and see anything that most don't carry or need (that carries any significant weight). In fact, many carry tons of camera gear...I have a few ideas for reducing clothes weight and space, however. It's amazing how clothes add up!
@@KAFKUBA Here is how I see it, only personal opinion so don’t worry. And I don’t even thru hike (wish I had more time). You only need one 500-900ml pot + a folding cup. Only need a single lighter, no more fire starting kit needed (lots of people around to borrow a lighter from If you loose yours), don’t need the multitool, first aid kit I’d recomend to diy (you need tape, blister treatment of choice, and a bunch of pills), a needle and floss + the tape should handle repairs, only need a single headlamp (phone will do for back up), don’t need the bandada as you have a small towel, don’t need extra rope, no need for hair/beard scissors If you carry a small victorinox classic like everyone else, the tarp might be a bit heavy compared to tyvek? And the liner bag, its big and heavy. MLD makes a very light hygiene liner, if you reallly want to protect the bag.
@@ThePreparedNorseman I appreciate the help! One funny story about the multi tool... my son needed to repair a tent pole on our last hike and needed to borrow it. Lol
@@KAFKUBA glad he got it sorted! I broke my camping chair last winter, put it down on a lump of ice. Thing bent all out of shape! The leatherman Squirt ps4 is pretty dang light, if it was not so expensive over here I might have bought one all ready hehe!
@@ThePreparedNorseman hope you didn't break your back falling out of that thing!
I have the same start date. I take a shuttle to Big Stamp Gap after sign in at Amicalola Falls. You’ll make some adjustments by Neel Gap where you can mail stuff home from Mountain Crossings.
So you're not doing the approach trail? See you out there with any luck! I wasn't worried about my weight until I got a million comments lol.
I never have done the approach trail. When I step out of the shuttle on the trail one mile north of Springer that puts me 20 minutes from beginning a NOBO.
Ok I wasn't judging just curious. I'm a rookie. Is approach trail bad idea?
@@KAFKUBA it is a wasted day of 8-9 miles on tuff terrain. The water fall is beautiful for a day hike but we’re hoping for 140 plus days of hiking in awl inspiring mountains. Extra miles will be needed for a hitch or town walks to do laundry, etc. So-the less unnecessary miles for me the better. I hope we meet up.
Awesome video! And happy trails! I'm starting my NOBO in April 🤙
Thank you, good luck!
A lot of people posting videos about 2022 runs that I'm thinking don't realize what they are getting into attempting it in the middle of winter. It's good that you've made a smart choice to wait. The tarp is going to heavy and I don't think anyone brings them but I understand why you did. I would just invest time in finding a better option. Bandanas come in very handy, those are a good choice. I would bring several. They have a lot of uses (wet it and put it around your neck to stay cool, "hat", face covering, towel/wipe, etc). I see one lighter but might just not see the rest - bring 3 and store them in different places in the pack. Don't take anything I've said as a statement that you don't already know. Just input from experience and research. A few things I've found to be smart choices: extra shoestrings (1-2) for the obvious reason as well as doubling as a way to tie/wrap something, duct tape (not just for repair but it's the BEST fire starter in the world if you need it). The footprint is one of the harder choices. After a year of working out the AT gear I still haven't decided what to use and eliminated a few options. The pants I would get in a dark color. That color will look really bad after a short time. You will want rain pants, but I don't recommend the FrogToggs pants UNLESS you get them fixed because they are VERY long and baggy. Look into a rain cover for your bag. The included Sawyer bags are known to bust so I would get a Platypus and use the included as a backup. Maybe get smaller scissors or multi-tool/knife. For your glasses get some straps that attach to your glasses (I wear glasses too).
March 19...I pushed it out...I think last year was unusual, so I opted for a month later.
@@KAFKUBA Right on. Just made some notes as I was watching. Hope at least one gave you some ideas. I see you had some concerns about the bag position. Hopefully you can adjust it. I know a lot of packs have adjustments for that. Hit an REI if you have to and maybe they can help you figure it out. Maybe see you out there in March. P.S. As someone said definitely change the pack if you think you need to. There are a few that are very popular for AT.
Grateful for your thoughts!
@@mtpstv94 Thank you! I just ordered the Granite Gear Blaze 60...it was at the top of my list a while but I shied away from it because I didn't think I would like the open cylinder type pack, but I think it will be great and it's 2lbs lighter than the others I've been trying...AND it's rated for larger hauls.
Great video my guy…in the winter I would deff start with the pants and you will probably end up wanting to hike in leggings too. Also you should just bring one pot and the cup. Should start the hike with only the NECESSITIES you think you will need and maybe a few luxury items. Pack weight=joint soreness which will be the first thing to take you off trail so every ounce matters.
Thanks son... you talked me into this!
Recommend keeping tent poles on outside of pack vs inside.
Its late - but for future readers - I haven't used the Deuter, but with other packs with straps of similar size, you can sometimes open the sleeping pad half way and cinch it in. Otherwise, possible to put it under the brain (also halved); put it through the straps that cinch the lid down, or strap it to the side
You'll work out the pack situation. It takes a bit of time to get used to a new one and how to put everything in it. I start on March 20th, hope to see you on trail.
Thanks Greg! Look for me!
We are starting that week sometime also.hope to see y'all.
Ok Gypsy! Look for me! Best of luck!
I will use the hyperlite windrider 4400 for $312 that is a top loader 70 liter internal with almost 10 liters external mesh storage. When it gets warmer and I send things home and I can roll down the top. Dyneema material so I will not use a pack cover, just a liner, and weighs in at 38.9oz. I have hiked with it and it is very comfortable and well made. The very best wishes for your upcoming hike!
Thanks Kris!
@@KAFKUBA Your welcome! I’m not an avid Facebook person but there is a 2022 Appalachian thru hiker page that I have gleaned information from.
Awesome gear load out. Best of luck on your adventure! Congrats on getting your leave from work. New follower here. I will watch your videos. I hope to hike the AT when I am 57 as well. Right now, my videos are just a weekend warrior on the trail. Great gear choices. Crow✌️
Thanks for the encouragement and kind words!
Subscribed!! Can't wait to see where you take us.
Thank you!
You made me laugh several times. Mainly because I've experienced your frustrations. I also plan on hiking the trail starting at the end of March. I am a few years older but in good shape. I have been planning and preparing to hike the AT for about eight years. My retirement a few months ago makes it a reality. You are where I was about three years ago. Fast forward to today with many thousands spent and closets FULL of hiking gear I can outfit at least three thru Hikers with plenty to spare. I live near the AT in NY and have often treated hikers to lunch while picking their brains. I always remember what one hiker told me about weight. He said about week into the trail you will be so desperate to drop weight you will shave off excess body hair (you already have an edge!). I will be starting out with a 14lb. base weight and drop down to 12lb. in the warmer weather. I could be lighter but I splurged when it came to my sleep system. My sleeping pad is 8oz. heavier than yours and I carry a 7oz. pillow. I was going to carry a cut down foam pad as well as an air mattress but with the heavier air mattress in conjunction with a Gossamer gear 1/4 foam pad it is unnecessary. Plus I don't have to contend with constantly bumping into things with the pad. You are defiantly on the right track with the GG Blaze 60. The one thing to keep mind on every gear choice is less weight equals greater chance of success and a far more enjoyable experience.
Thanks Gravy! I start March 19... you? See you out there! Where in NY are you from? I'm from NY originally and near trail. East Fishkill area.
John Jay or Ketcham? We might know one another lol
Would love to hear your final weight after the trail.
Certainly hike your own hike but I will offer some thoughts. Definitely look into another pack. I used a frame pack for several years (been backpacking for 50 years) and now use dyneema (Hyperlight Mountain Gear Southwest) and would not go back - lighter and nearly 100% waterproof (still protect insulation in dry bags). Do not pack your fears - but be safe. First Aid Kit appears large - use leukotape, 2X2 gauze pads & antibacterial ointment for most minor wounds / blisters plus some personal meds. Your sleeping clothes can help keep the bag clean so consider replacing the liner with another warm clothing layer - much more flexible. Beanie for cold nights? As others have commented - multiple headlamps is overkill. Go with a Tyvek footprint as it is durable with a little care and it can be used as a crude rainfly. You could trim your foam pad to 3/4 or even 1/2 length and still meet your needs (saves bulk not weight). Did you include a wall charger with the battery bank? 20000 mAh is a little large for the AT. Spend significant time on food planning and try out meals you expect to have on trail - if you don't have an iron stomach, this could make or break your hike. If not already in your plans, squeeze in as many shakedown hikes as you can. GOOD LUCK on the trail !
Thanks for the comments! I'm starting to think I should hire a sherpa...make him do all the hard parts.
@@KAFKUBA Proper prepping and then the first days on trail are hard for most everyone and there will periodically be other difficult times. BE PATIENT and you will figure it out. That is part of the fun, the adventure - and the reward. From your channel, it looks like you can improvise and adapt - skills that will serve you well out in the "wild". Set reasonable goals and ENJOY your hike !
Sorry to say but you have too much stuff. An ultra lite waterproof Poncho--tarp -groundcloth combo could replace the heavy blue tarp and useless pack cover. I purchased one on Ali express in bright orange and it looks ridiculous but it weights nothing is teensy., cost under $40 and shipped and arrived within 2 weeks from UL gear. I am pleased. Hunters can’t say they didn’t see me. and it’s easy to spot me in the forest when I will get lost. You are not bush crafting so loose the fero rod, scissors, etc. A roll top brainless pack is much easier to use and you need pockets in the front and side water bottle pockets that are easy to reach. I have been redoing my pack(s) and the stoves, clothes, electronics, tools, food, gadgets constantly.I enjoyed your video and will follow you in spirit as you hike your hike.
Thanks for the encouragement and kind suggestions. I will be posting an update soon with some changes I've already made
Hope you have a great time. good luck!!!!!
Go with your gut. If the pack isn’t working, try out another. Take your gear in a bag to your favorite outfitter store and load up several and try them out. I tried several and ended up with the Outdoor Vitals Shadowlight. It’s less than 2# and fits all my gear (I’m a bit of an over packer right now). I got the 45L on purpose to limit myself. I was able to get my 0° pod, hammock and warm clothes plus 5 days worth of food in it. Loaded it was 30# so I have some trimming work to do. I too like a cup and got a collapsible one that fits inside my pot. I love it!
Happy Hiking!
Thank you! I just ordered the Granite Gear Blaze 60...it was at the top of my list a while but I shied away from it because I didn't think I would like the open cylinder type pack, but I think it will be great and it's 2lbs lighter than the others I've been trying...AND it's rated for larger hauls.
Dude, great commentary! Cracking me up! My base weight was about 19lbs in winter and 16lbs in summer. 25-30lbs is a non issue for a week long section hike but I promise that you don’t want to carry that for 2193.1 miles. It’ll take its toll over time. Just my 2 cents.
Lol thanks. I think my weight will be lower...I just ordered a backpack that was on my list for a while and it's 2lbs lighter, plus I've been packing all my clothes that I will likely be wearing on the trail...just to get a conservative sense of things. I remember one of your videos where someone brought a tarp that protected you from the wind in a shelter...that made me think a tarp and rope was a good idea...I think I'm close and can dump shit within a week if need be. Thanks for laughing...if you laughed at that just wait...more comedy and complaining ahead. Lol. I just hope I can find a group that likes to bust chops on the trail. Hopefully everyone isn't touchy feely and nice. Haha
@@KAFKUBA Can’t wait to follow along! Maybe in June or July if the schedule permits I’ll come out and hike a section with you.
That would be cool! I really hope I last that long. I feel like if I can make it 2 weeks I can do it
@@KAFKUBA You’ll do fine. It’s mostly mental. The tiniest bit of negativity can really start a snowballing affect that’s hard to get out from under. Especially when you’re freezing and wet. Once you get to that point it becomes easy to justify reasons to quit. It’s cliche but you really have to embrace the suck.
What was your usual pack weight for your thru hike? I’m trying to keep my pack at 25lbs with a March start date.
I'm impressed. I couldn't do that. Don't forget to pack troll repellant. It won't be orc season so you should be okay on that front.
But ogres are always a threat.
Very good recommendation. I am currently an aspiring astronaut, would love if you followed on my page to see my journey. Thank you!
I'd prioritize rain/wind pants over spares of anything. They can do triple duty - vapor barrier of sorts if it gets real cold sleepng, rain pants (it's gonna rain, a lot), and laundry day clothing. The rest of your load out is personal decisions.
I can't reach water bottles either - I bought a shoulder strap water bottle holder from zPacks that fits a 700ml Smartwater bottle perfectly.
Good luck on your hike!
Thanks! I already ordered some ultralight rain pants!
I have the same bag but smaller and put my mat or tent under the straps of the brain but on the front of the pack. With the cover you could just place in in between without strapping it down, worked with 1 of my covers.
I thought of that...I was just really disappointed they couldn't take the time to make straps longer! Especially since that's what they're there for.
If you get an Osprey the Atmos 65 or any Osprey with the anti gravity it will probably not work because the main chamber is narrow due to the anti gravity. Also the pockets are deceiving when the chamber is full and will not hold as much as you think.
Yup...I just ordered the Granite Gear Blaze 60...I think I'm gonna be good!
How many days/nights have u spent on a trail with this gear in preparation for the AT? The more you practice with your gear, you will learn what u need and will use. Remember, GA has a lot of road junctions to get off the trail if needed. GA will be cold and rainy. Repack your food into freezer bags. Remember ounces equals pounds. Have a great hike!!
It's like joining the marines or deciding to have kids... you figure it out... you don't practice getting shot at or rent a kid... I've had much success using this approach. There's only so much you can prepare. Big thing is I worked out every day of my life and have had many hard challenges mental and physical. If I fail, it's back to work! Thanks for the encouragement! See you out there.
Subscribed and following! Have a great journey!
Thanks!
I am glad I watched this video, I was about to order that Deuter. I'll be honest, I would have thought that you'd want a larger pack - at least 70-80 liters. I am not an experienced backpacker, I'm just speculating based on what little I know.
I got the Osprey Atmos it says 65 but closer to 68, but with the rain cover, nothing is strapping on the outside. Which is why I placed everything in dry bags made out of dyneema
My son has that. Was thinking about it...but opted for the 2lb lighter Blaze
I’m 67 and done it , you can do it . Comfort is important , I carried 50 lbs comfortably with my osprey atmos 70 liter backpack , with a helinox cot and helinox swivel chair . I hiked 3 months thru GA , NC , & Tennessee Smokey’s . You won’t like frog togs , I tried them and they sweat terribly . Lekki Trekking poles are great 👍 that’s what I used… hike your hike and don’t listen to people , you will adjust as you go !!!
Thanks!
Rain covers don’t work for several reasons , a over size rain poncho is the best , I went thru 4 backpacks And one was the osprey 48 liter . You can travel light if you wanna be miserable , my opinion …
Safety is always first !!! Osprey is best for packing and comfort , I learned it does matter how you pack your pack , there are videos on it watch them . I started out packing mine wrong and made adjustments , like night and day in how it carried . Note , the weight should be near the top and close to your body not on the bottom , try it , it does make a difference ..
Great gear, super-great trail! The height of Granite Gear Blaze 60 without the lid?
Not sure. I'm using the lid.. I like organizing
You can put the sleeping pad between the top loader and the bag. Also loose the straps from the top loader that faces your back and tight the ones in the front of the pack attached to the brain itll push the top loader fwd. my osprey used to kick it back like that to me but thats whenever im using synthetic sleeping bag and a bear canister.
Don’t worry about ultra lighter as long as ur strong or train for it you will be alright
I changed things around
Now it is your turn. I am at 69 going on 70. I hike each day 8 miles with a ruck sack. I hike Nijmegen 100 miles March x4 in Holland, French death march 100km in 24 hours, 80km Bern Switzerland x3, and many German marathon volksmarches. Believe I could do the Appalachian trail NB. My only issue now is my combat injuries in Vietnam in 2 helicopter shoot downs. We shall see.
Thank you for sharing! Maybe it's time to take a rest!
You’re a year ahead of me, so I’m just now getting serious about kit. Love my Kelty Tioga but I don’t want to lug that almost six pound beast for six months. Down to the final 2 or 3 options. Already getting nervous about asking for LOA from a good company, but I’m willing to early retire to get this out of my system. I learned to use tyvek instead of a tarp, and reflectix insulation under the pad. You’ll get it worked out. Thanks for sharing. I’ll be with you to Katahdin!
Thanks! FYI I ordered the Granite Gear Blaze 60. Check it out. Cut 2.5 pounds, has a 60 haul rating, great reviews. Check it out on Outdoor Gear Lab. I was reluctant about these single bag packs but i love this one...I think I'll be pleased. I'll post a video when it arrives.
I wanted to add that the guys at the Neal Gap outfitter can give you a gear shakedown. They are EXTREMLY knowledgeable Consider stopping there BEFORE you start. Admittedly they can be brutal in their assessment…but at least listen to what they’re saying and consider carefully. You can always bump some gear ahead and if you change your mind about what you need to be mentally comfortable, then it’ll be there waiting in less than a weeks walk.
Yeah we'll see. It's a marathon, not a sprint...I guess it's not weight lifting either.
@@KAFKUBA you’re exactly right about that. Of course the more you carry it’s just plain hard to get up those hills, but the MAIN reason you go as light as possible is to prevent injury. You’ll do fine for a week or two no matter how hard it is to get up the Mt and then you’ll start having problems w knees and ankles. Nothing will put you permanently off trail for a good long while faster than tweaking a knee or developing something like tendinitis from the day after day stresses on everything below the hips. Take it from someone who’s been thru that when I first started LDH and don’t know my ass from my elbow. 🙂
The first time it rains, you won't want to pack your tent like that or everything will be wet. I carry mine strapped to the bottom wrapped with a thin cut-down yoga pad to both protect it and provide me an entryway for getting in and out of the tent. Punt the Z-pad, the air mattress is enough.
Yes I know...I have that planned
Every time you say, “shit show,” I have to laugh. I believe the changes you make to your gear have just begun. Good luck 👍.
Lol thanks! I like making others laugh (at my expense)
I thru hiked the AT last year and the majority of the trail I hiked with about 25-30lbs including food and water. I like your vid, and it sounds like you really did your research and got some really good gear. There will most likely be some small things that you ditch along the way, but that’s something that most people end up doing. It’s crazy how every little ounce adds up to pounds, and you really feel it on a thru hike. I carried a small scissors on my thru hike and nail clippers, and I left any knife or multi tool at home because it was no use to me out there. My other 2 cents (and you’re prob already doing this) but leave all the Sawyer squeeze extras at home, including the plunger. You will usually find the plungers in hiker boxes at hostels and will only need to back flush your filter every so often. To back flush it on trail, use a flip cap (from a smaller smartwater bottle) and use that to back flush your filter. There are lots of UA-cam vids on how to do that. I’m excited for ou all to start your journey this year!!
I forgot to add that there is a blue coupling that you can buy separately for the Sawyer squeeze that some people like to use to attach the filter between to bottles and gravity filter your water. It’s not necessary, but sometimes is nice to use.
Thank you for these ideas! Appreciate the encouragement! Good ideas here.
Strap extenders to extend the straps on the outside to hold your pad, or simply switch to a neo air xtherm pad, or just go with your neo air xlite and put your emergency blanket over it. You have alot of smalls, they add up to alot of weight. Your gonna want to put things you will use during the day like your water filter on the outside mesh pocket. My suggestion based on my 2018 AT Experience, you have too much, too much weight, try not to pack your fears. I do go ultralight, you can do it with the right pack, I use Zpacks Arc Haul, works great, I do not have alot of smalls, just a pint size first aid kit, one headlamp, my entire sleep system in a compression sac, Big Agnes Copper Spur Platinum 2 with footprint, polychro is awesome too or tyvek both very light. You can move easier, quicker, with less pain and soarness with less weight. I am in my 50s and I too will be taking another shot at this soon. My heavy things are my technology bag, my cold weather gear, and food remember you can switch things out, send stuff home. I scrutinized every piece of my gear and if I could lighten it up without sacrifice to safety, then I did. In fact I switched tents and sleeping bags 4 times until I got it right, switched clothes 3 times, switched pads 4 times, for me it was a long long process, but it was all based on my 2018 experience, because next time, I want to make it and be successful. That was just one part, for the past couple years I have been focusing on the mental preparation, a critical component. Anyway, Best of luck, enjoy the journey, I have subbed and will be following
Thanks for the comments! I'm starting to think I should hire a sherpa...make him do all the hard parts.
On my thru hike I used the same neo air xlite pad, and I added a really thin 1/8”(?) foam pad (Gossamer Gear) that I could fold up into a square and put inside of my backpack. (Fyi, I am a cold sleeper). I don’t think you will need the big foam pad that you have. And if you wanted to strap that to the outside, I highly suggest cutting off the original pack straps and buying some shock cord and making your own (Gossamer Gear sells this too). Once you start going thru NH and Maine, and some areas before that, you won’t want anything on the bottom of your back because it will launch you forward as you try to scoot your ass down and over big steep boulders. It becomes very dangerous (hence why I ended up putting my thin pad inside my pack). You could also use cords to strap your pad to the top of your pack, or the very back side like my friend did.
Ok thanks again!
Bungee cord can be an option to Jerry rig your pad
Best of luck to you 👍
11:20 haha, wasn't expecting that
Like that? Lol
Lol. 😂We don't freeze our arses off or run like hell.. we also don't pack our fears which helps lighten our packs. .lol.. that and sometimes a sht load of money on UL gear. Only you can decide what's best for you. If you like your set up then stick with it. If not you can ditch it, trade it out and/or mail it home on trail. I'm rooting for you. Good luck out there!!!
Thanks Gypsy Girl!
@@KAFKUBA you're welcome. You'll get it dialed in! You got this!!
Love Leki sticks! Also, the only one that should worry about how much your gear weighs is the person carrying it. You can always send stuff home if you decide you don’t need it. See ya out there!
Thank you for the support and comment Jeanette! It's not as bad as people think. I'm going to be under 20 base even with comfort items. Follow up video to come.
I am intested to find out what your base weight will be. Good luck!
Thanks!
I wouldn't worry about it. Just buy a couple of those bungee ball things, and you can hang whatever you want off the bottom.
Odds are, by Fontana, you will probably have ditched the 8 lbs of your gear that you decided you don't really need enough to haul up from the dam to Clingmans.
By Hot Springs, you'll be eyeballing lighter packs and polycro groundsheets at the outfitter before you hit the laundrymat.
A couple of weeks after that, you'll be looking at the half of the Z-lite you kept while clipping your toenails with your multi-tool at Bob's Dairyland as someone borrows the tweezers from your multi-tool to get rid of a tick.
Or not
@@KAFKUBA Your follow up looks like your Granite Gear acquisition saved you from the Hot Springs pack shopping. That pack has been a popular replacement in Hot Springs and Damascus for years.
Don't discount Bobs Dairyland. Their 42 ounce milkshake and Holy Cow triple chili cheeseburger is enough to satisfy almost any calorie deficit.
That being said, I put the over/under on your flashlights at 1.5, especially if the one charges reliably.
Lol OK funny guy
@@wisenber leave the funny business to me guy... I'm the youtube star....ahhhhhhh!
@@KAFKUBA There's nothing funny about you catching the Deuter prior to hauling it for a hundred miles. You'll appreciate the GG pack. Those compression straps let you carry 20 liters as well as 60 without flopping around.
And Bobs Dairyland is a thing. Hikers stop there after getting a ride from Carvers Gap or hitching from the 19E hostel.
Most of their food is good, but I would skip the BBQ. Never get BBQ from a place that doesn't have a smoker.
I have the nemo Dragonfly. Been on a few hikes with it and so far I love it. I like that the tent bag has the option to cinch at half size. I store the tent poles and stakes on a pocket outside my pack. It's a good option when internal space is at a premium.
Thanks for your thoughts! I have used it without issues.. so far.
You got a lot of things right.
--But the blue tarp, man, that will shred the first month. Maybe check out a Tyvek sheet. If you like the idea of 'tie outs', you can add a few grommets to it. ZPacks has pre cut Tyveks if you don't want to go to the hardware store.
--The problem with heavier weights is they make hikers more prone to hike-ending injuries. If you're a 22 year old Marine, it's less of a problem.
--"I'm 57 years old". Please. I'm 67 and will be at Springer on April 1st. Nimblewil Nomad just finished the AT at 83. You're just a kid.
--Head lamps. You only need ONE. I totally support a backup light, maybe a Petzl ELITE as a backup. Nothing that requires AA or AAA batteries.
-The pack: oh the good/bad old days. I had the Kelty too (long gone). I like the ZPacks Arc Haul. It has optional side pockets which I hear you saying you love. Maybe look at the Arc Zip if you hate the "tube" backpacks. Also look at the ULA CDT and Granite Gear. Here's the thing...every OUNCE adds up. Ounces become pounds without even trying. The older people get, THE MORE they have to concentrate on weight. You save a few ounces in one are so you can splurge on few ounces in other comfort areas.
--Look at a compression sack for your sleeping bag
--Falling off the sleeping pad. A lot of people don't tolerate the 20 inch wide sleeping pads because they say they fall off them, so they upgrade to the 24 inch wide pads. Maybe you just bought too narrow of a sleeping pad. If you still come off a 24 inch pad, maybe try adding the Gossamer Gear 1/8 foam pad between your sleeping bag and your sleeping pad. That will add a layer of friction and more warmth.
--Z Lites are nice. I like them. Maybe cut a couple feet off. You're mainly looking for insulation from your neck to hips.
--A decent base weight for a newbie is around 17 pounds.
--Lastly, be aware that you pack your FEARS. I'm not saying to not be aware of things like cold, just be aware of that. TheMed kit could be 1/4 of what you've got.
Great comments thank you. I am thinking about everything you discuss. By the way, as I've replied to others, my Granite Gear Blaze 60 is on route! I'm just a kid? Lol. Well, based on genetics in my family, I'm either going to live to 95 or be dead in 10 years...I can't gamble with not going now! Cheers!
@@KAFKUBA My dad dropped dead at 49. I'm still here.
The Blaze is good. My friend has that and regularly carries over 40 pounds in it. (He also carries half his wife's weight).
But he's a very large man too and goes hunting carrying 80 pound packs, so for him it's a lot lighter. I guess it's all relative. Just always be looking for ANY way to keep cutting ounces. You'll do fine. Patience.
@@onthetrailwithbart523 I appreciate the honest commentary!
Again, great comments here, based on my own 2018 AT attempt, going sideways and returning home and going back to the drawing board and really figured out and dialed in everything that will make me successful next time. It began with really listening to veteran hikers that made it.
TENT! That tent will get heavier as you go and it’s pack size is huge. Water weight from the rain storms will have you hauling a heavier tent in no time. If a Tarptent Li isn’t in the budget, go with some version of a dyneema tent system. Lots of providers out there. With the decrease size, you’ll be able to get the rest of your gear in your bag. I started with the Nemo daggar 2p and it’s an awesome tent, just not a thru hike tent. Imo of course.
Yeah Drew....I hear ya
First off, good luck on your trip! It takes time to dial in your gear to what is a balance between actual needs and comfort items. From my years of experience you have way to many items for what you will truly need. You have a really good pack, tent and seem to have a decent sleeping bag. (put that in a compression sack so it doesn't take up so much of your bottom compartment). I would ditch your folding pad, or cut it down for a small sit pad, and also maybe replace your pad with a more insulated one like the Nemo. You can probably ditch your big tarp, and cut one of your extra nylofume liners into a rectangle and use that as your ground sheet. Finally cut down on your extra smalls, like you only need 1 headlamp, so take the rechargeable one. Anyway, try not to pack your fears, or a big med kit, and enjoy your hike! I would make other suggestions, but this is your hike, and I'm sure you will figure it out. Less is More! Good luck!
Thanks Scott! I'm dialing it in now I will post an update soon. Thanks for your suggestions! It means alot. The first thing I did was order the Granite Gear Blaze 60.. it was on my original wish list.. should have stuck with my hunch... that's 2lbs cut right there and all the features I was hoping to get with the Deuter.
Lots of good suggestions in this comment. Maybe use a piece of polychro for a footprint, maybe go with a neoair xtherm ditch the other pads, definitely one pot compression sacs are awesome, also may be too much redundancy about keeping things dry raincover for pack and keep sleeping bag, pillow,etc in comp sac or trash bag you will be fine, but yeah weight is everything take it from me my attempt in 2018 went sideways. I will be back out soon for another attempt. Dont pack your fears. Best of luck, enjoy your journey. I have subbed and will be following.🙋♂️👻⛰
Great review. May want to consider tyvek vs the blue tarp for weight savings. Also, checkout bottle holder to put on your shoulder straps - Justin on Etsy makes a good one.
I would recommend a Gregory paragon, I have the 58 liter but with all your gear you might go the next size up.68 liter I think.having said that if I was doing the at I would probably get a ula backpack.best of luck and happy trails!
Thanks for the tip!
I have been researching the Gregory Paragon... it has everything the Deuter overlooked! You might have saved my life.
happy to help, hope everything works out for you..
Is the Nemo Dragonfly the 1 or 2 person?
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You are way to stressed over what to expect on the trail. Get rid of half that crap in your pack my man. The AT in the bubble will be packed with hikers- through and section/day hikers. You will be in a town every other day to resupply etc…so no need for huge first aid kit. This is not the Amazon. It’s a VERY social and busy trail that doesn’t get remote until Maine.
I have discovered too that hiker boxes at most hostels and stops are filled with things if you should truly need something. In fact you could probably outfit yourself for free by visiting hostels and gearing up, ha😀
lol!!! Emergency cord so that I can end my life!....OMG....lol. I love my GSI cup! I think I have the same Leki poles. I'm planning to ditch the contact lenses. I'm near sighted, so taking my glasses off to see up close is easy. I'm interested to see what gear you shed during the trip.I have some videos where I've taken the kitchen sink on some motorcycle camping trips. My Osprey Atmos 65 AG fits in that spot too easy.
Stay tuned friend... should be a royal shitshow!
Hope to see you on the trail! #ATClassof2022
Hope so!! Look for me.
Have the same Leki poles, love mine.
They're great!
Hilarious commentary. Especially the shit show sleeping pad situation.
Lol thanks! You heading out to AT?
@@KAFKUBA No. I just UA-camd this certain pack since I just bought one. I see that your video is one year old. Did you return the pack or went with it? Strap situation should be easy to solve with some kind of extension.
I returned it. Ended up going with Granite Gear Blaze 60...I have videos on that as well
@@KAFKUBA Cool. Take care!
Definitely excited to follow along with the journey. I am ana aspiring astronaut and am trying to share my journey with the UA-cam community as well. Would love if anyone got some value out of it!
Sorry I missed this comment thank you!
Heck yeah bud you will be fine but you definitely don't need all that stuff. Dry clothes and food, water
No tent, sleeping pad, hygiene?...my food and water weigh more than my pack loaded... I'm struggling friend! Lol
Try loading your sons Atmos 65 and see how everything fits.
I don't like it...I did...I think I'm gonna be happy with the Blaze...I should have stuck with my hunches
Freeze and run like hell 😂😂😂
If you aren't 100% happy with it walking around house return it. You have to wear it for 6 months.
Follow 4 Pots Lite"s advice. You have waaaaay too much gear/weight. Two headlamps.....lmao! that's just the tip of the ice berg you are trying to carry.
awsome...watch dan beker on youtube. youll learn all the different types of ultralight and he has a perfect setup that would work for you.
Good luck :)
Thanks!
Pack this
You don’t need 2 sleeping pads IMHO
I like the idea... when you're kneeling around tent, protecting tent floor, use as a seat, keep pad from slipping, extra insulation... I'll evaluate as I go, but I appreciate the thoughts!
I know it is a bitch. But I can’t wait to meet you.
Lol... what's the bitch?
Dude return the bag and order the Mariposa off Gossamer gear.
I've already returned and got a bag that I had my eyes on for a year. Thanks for suggestion.
U tube has ruined hiking make your own way
Not if you make your own way.. I'm used to making my own way.