Owning a service engineering business on the west coast of Ireland, until I retired, these would have been the perfect vans. Most days Our vans would do maybe 80-100 miles with the odd day doing 140 and maybe a couple of time a year 190 so I believe this is the perfect van. The Mercedes van, frankly is a total waste of time far to little range for comfort. As I was VAT registered I’d reclaim VAT. We bought all our vans on a lease purchase arrangement so the monthly payment wouldn’t be that much more than an ICE van and was set against tax. The fuel, service and repair savings would easily out way the cheaper diesel van, for me it’s a no brainer.
Hey Colin, good insight. You should get one for your retirement. I'm in a similar situation business wise. I'm on the south coast and travel as far as Belfast and Newry as well as all parts of Ireland. It's a no brainer for me too. All I want is a network of fast chargers (100Kw) and smart charging V2G at home/work.
Electric camper van would be awsome. I'd love a camper van but the fact that I'd rarely use it makes it hard to justify. Having an electric one with far less costs involved like servicing and tax etc would be good, and I'd probably use it more anyway because it would be cheap to run.
Excellent video, I've just placed an order for a Nissan e-NV 200 Tekna rapid plus with heat pack for under £300 Inc vat on a 24 months contract. Why 24 months, IMO within the next £24 months electric vans will have longer range and drop in price.
Thanks for the review - it looks like a step in the right direction, but.... You mentioned that the 75kWh battery is about £6k more than the 50kWh. That gives a price of £240/kWh. Given that Tesla's battery costs are believed to be under £100/kWh, either PSA have got major issues with their costs or they're ripping customers off. That would suggest the battery pack in the base model costs £12k or of the £25k purchase price; at Tesla prices you could reduce that by £7k. And that nadger hazard of a gear selector; I can see why it's there for a conventional gearbox. It's a shame they couldn't do a different version of the dash for the EV version - better packaging would give an extra incentive to buy. Keep up the good work.
I've done Amazon van delivery in the central belt of Scotland, that van would be perfect as a usual days milage would be 100-120 miles. One of the things I found most tiring about the job was the constant jerking motion of stop start changing gear and vibration, it kills your back and left leg which then get hammered running up tenement stairs 8 hours a day. I hear that Amazon are building a new warehouse near Glasgow this year with a bunch of EV van charging points, which will I'm sure be a nod to the environmental conference thats happening. Knowing EVs and vans I can say that it's a no brainer, but that will hold no water with your one man and van. The real impact will be delivery agencies that work for Amazon making people drive electric because it's cheaper, the drivers will moan and spit about it, but they will be singing praise after one week. And then all those ex agency vans will hit the second hand market, just in time for the bloke down the pub to see the sense in an electric van.
It’s the cost of ownership, need to see the sheet for it to see if is cheaper, and then the big companies will switch. Currently a 6 month wait for Peugeot and Vauxhall version.
hi , i'm a multi-drop driver based in/around Edinburgh .. i average 1000miles a week , my 3.5 ton diesel van averages 30-35 mpg .. so this would easily handle the days im' in town centre ( usually 100-130 miles ) .. would struggle in my twice weekly run to Aberdeen
1000 miles a week 35 MPG and Diesel at £1.20 is £155 a week (1000 / 35 * 4.54 * 1.20). At worst case 2 miles / kWh and best case Octopus overnight tariff of 5p that is £25 a week (1000 / 2 * 0.05) which is a saving of about £520 a month - which sits well next to the extra finance cost :) Lower service cost, brakes might well last 100,000 miles, and so on. Lower depreciation / better final-value too. Can't help you with the static time charging on your Aberdeen days unless you have something you can do at that time - emails that you would normally do when you got home? If so then maybe you could consider that is just time-shifted.
@@ecok . Asking this as someone who uses the metric system I curious: Do you use MPG but show prices of diesel per liter in the UK? (Because of the 4.54 conversion in your calculation)
Why do all vans not have a camera rear view mirror? They are dirt cheap these days. Ditto cameras for hgv blind spot (front right) and automatic braking for when they are watching porn at 50mph
campsite electric supplies typically have limited output, sometimes as low as 10 amps, so at best you could only charge with a granny lead and there would be no spare capacity for electric accessories (kettle, cooker etc within the van) so fast charging on the route would be the answer.
@@jeta1f35 - Many campers park-up for 2days to a week. Then walk/climb/frequent the pubs of the local area. And only occasionally venture out in the van. For those hours when they’re away from the van, why not leave it on a trickle charge and the next time they’re out and left the van, trickle it again. Rapid charge it when you can, fast charge when you need to; and trickle charge it when there’s the opportunity, (providing the site hasn’t got exorbitant hookup fees). But you’d know how much, before plugging in.
@@jeta1f35 even if you never to set the EVSE to 6A, you will still be able to use power in the van. You have a large battery you can as a buffer. The 12 V battery is charged from the high voltage battery. So you get a constant supply of power.
So, £250 more expensive per month. Lets suppose £90 to fill from empty with 75 litres of diesel, that will take you 500 miles (30mpg in 2nd gear at 30 like the man that went by) and as you said 10% of the price for electric (if you can keep to home charging). Save £81 per fill up, so 3 fills from empty per month equals the additional cost. So if yo do 1,500 miles per month, or about 75 miles a day for 20 working days per month, the electric is cheaper. 75 miles is half the real world range of the £25k version so, a tradesman doing 100 miles per day would be in the money!
@@iainansell5930 Plus there will be pay/mile charge introduced once we're all driving electric vehicles. Actually, it'll be pay/km. That way it can be raised more as with the gallon to litre con. Gotta, get that TAX somehow and the motorist isn't going to get away with it.
Have to agree about the gear selector. I'm not a fan of toggles and push buttons for gear selectors. Citroen have a steering wheel stalk on their automatic C4 Picasso so why not have the same on the van? Keeps it out of the way of the centre passenger and doesn't need you to look down to see what you selected.
For certain craftsmen it would be great if you could use the van's batteries to power a mitre saw or tile cutter. And yes, in and around urban areas these would be great for tradesmen and couriers alike.
When I was multi-dropping for a courier firm, I would cover about 120 miles per day. The interior mirror is a one-size-fits-all thing, for the open-backed - (no steel plate), or the flat-back vans that have a window behind the seat. That van, of course was a manual shift - and once, bored out of my mind, I counted how many gear-shifts I did in a one-day trip, I lost count at over 2000!
Rear view mirrors houses some sensors for automatic lights and rain or radar on some vehicles. This isn't just PSA saving costs. My VW T6 has it too despite a bulkhead. Can't see why they couldn't just make a small slim box or remove the mirror section. PSA leccy van sounds excellent, waiting for the ID Buzz Cargo however. 300bhp. My next race van.
I think a rearview mirror may be a requirement for registration, even if it’s totally non-functional. Plus if you can’t see behind you, rear iew cameras should be compulsory. Especially on a van. Too many children die or are seriously injured in vehicles with restricted visibility when reversing.
@@mondotv4216 vans that don't have auto sensing wipers and lights don't have the rear view mirror when specced in panel Van form. It's literally only to save money instead of designing a new sensor housing without the mirror.
"idę spać" (pronounced 'e-di spatch') is Polish for "I'm going to sleep" 😂 That's all I can hear when you say the name of the van. Solid review, as ever, cheers EVM.
You could make the long wheel base high roof version into a camper van.....If you're one of those people who are fond of shitting in a bucket inside a wardrobe that is :)
I'm a water treatment engineer current van is a Renault traffic drive fully loaded all the time average daily usage 150 miles a day up & down motorways into Leeds , Liverpool & Manchester . Big issue would be charging as it's a company van so if I charge at my house over night who pays? I'm out 7am to 6pm most days and eat lunch on the go or parked on a street or customer site so charging every day during working hours would be a pain without good charging network. As I currently fill up with diesel 1-2 times a week for 500 miles of range.
A lot of home chargers will tell you exactly what you've spent if you need work to pay. British Gas are giving the Vivaro E (the same van) to their drivers and I'm sure their staff aren't paying for their own charging. As for charging on the go. If you're doing lots of motorway journeys then it shouldn't be an issue - there are rapid chargers at every service station. A full battery in the morning + a 20 min top up will give you 200miles (with the bigger battery) and that's in the worst conditions.
My immediate thought was campervan conversion... You’d need the long wheelbase version. Ideally, a Merc Sprinter/VW Crafter extra long wheelbase & extra high top version would be ideal 👌🏻👍🏻 You could have a colossal battery on both of those vehicles 👌🏻👍🏻
You could indeed have a colossal battery but unfortunately that would come at a colossal price! That's the big challenge for camper van usage because the battery capacity is the most expensive aspect. Working vans with a daily predictable mileage are a much easier to judge. The cost effective approach (for working van) is actually to buy a vehicle with the smallest capacity battery that meets your needs rather than driving around with a larger expensive batter that's not used to its capacity very often.
You should review the Maxus eDeliver 3, the first ground up EV van available in uk, a lot cheaper, more range (213 miles WLTP City- the 52.5kwh), and CCS. Fastest 0-30mph I’ve ever done in a van. The test drive immediately made me change my mind from a diesel van, just ordered one !
The eDeliver 3 has issues with charging speeds, on a rapid charger it only gets 22kw at times, it's not a viable option ua-cam.com/video/nJJLEiOGdKE/v-deo.html
is it me are does EVM wear the same clothes in all his videos :P :P :P - nice van - I am going to send this to my express delivery friend and get his feed back
Love them , because I’ve got breathing problems, they would be parked up outside their delivery places . Waiting,say , 15 minutes not chucking out chocking fumes like diesel vans 🤪🤪🤪
yeah, also the sound of big truck engines driving miles away during the day and hogging the roads. Imagine a world where EV semis barely make noise and drive overnight.
One problem with vans is that charging spaces are not always that long and a 6.5m van would have its rear hanging out in traffic. Charging spaces will need to lengthen if more vans go electric. And I can’t imagine where big 7m+ Motorhomes will charge while on holiday. But things will change, I guess.
It is not the range that is so important once you get over 140 miles and a bit, it is the torque. A fully loaded van is a bugger with a diesel engine. I don't know how much weight those vans carry but, three and a half tons in an electric van should be much better to drive than a diesel.
(not multidrop courier0mega sameday courier 100k pa. average sameday 60k pa. This looks more like Hermes/Amazon job. But with staff turnover etc I can't see self employed adopting it yet. Employed drivers probably yes.
Does it have battery cooling or will it rapid gate ..... Plus what rate can you charge it at home / work 7KW or 11KW /single or 3 phase. Thank you very much for this video.... Can you please do a video on the running costs of your Tesla how many miles between services etc
Std is 7 kw charging, 3 phase is an option. The pack is cooled and heated and accepts 100 kw dc fast charging as std. Most will charge over night on a 5p rate. Think a video explaining the options an cost is needed.
I would like a hybrid car but the cost of them are not worth it to me yet! I drive daily drive to work is just under 88 Km round trip (55 Miles) there is not charging at my works I live in an apartment block so no charging there BUT there is a fast charging point only 1.5 Km from my home (and I can get a coffee there). and at least once a month (in the winter) I do a journey of 250 km (155 miles) round trip in the summer I do this sort of trip at least twice a month: The summer cottage I go to in the summer is a proper wooden cottage with NO electric. SO for me I feel it would be more hard work to own one. But I am looking forward to the day this will change,
I own the 2ltr version and £250 difference would get 42 gallons of diesel so at least 1300 miles. A load of 300 to 500kg, will the electric version do that? I often do 200 miles one way at least 3 times a month so that's 3 fast charges. What do Citroen say about fast charging the battery as I'm sure the van logs it? My van is 2 years old on 0% finance withe the option to buy in a year. Good idea but it needs to have a range of 300 miles as in the winter this will reduce.
I wonder why these manufacturers are not making use of solar power, and more battery capacity. Also by the time its loaded with just tools and ladders etc the range will be dramatically reduced especially when motorway driving or cross country driving.
Good review! I can't wait for a electric van but there not there yet. I do between 120/180 miles a day and It would be nice to do that with out worrys if iv got enough to get home. They need to do 200 miles a day normal driving.
i hope its more than 2.5m/kWh. My ENV gets about 4 in summer and 3.3 in cold winter. yes its a bit smaller , and has less weight as the battery is only 24kWh.
I have a LWB Vivaro-E. We’ve covered 4K miles since mid February together. Rapid charged 5 times due to needing to do a bit extra distance, cover around 130 - 140 miles a day on rural A and B roads. Once the weather warms up, I’ll expect more range. It’s perfect for me.
Nice video, van looks very promising. Disappointing glove box - far too big, where are the fuses? For shame, French people, showing some thought in conversion to RHD. Pity about the ads - Toyota self-charging and that creep Farage. WTF have I been watching to suggest that crap?
An Ev is pricy at the moment. But people always seem to forget to factor in how much you won't be spending on fuel and maintenance . It does make a big difference.
Why has it got a rear-view mirror? One of my beekeeping friends often only drives 60mi a day. But equally he has months when he’s driving 200mi a day, 7days a week, as he has hives in five counties. Ok, so when he’s moving bees to pollinate crops, he’ll still need a flatbed lorry. But for checking hives, attending shows, swarm collection, delivery of small orders to inner urban areas and helping a local charity, the e-Dispatch would be just about the right vehicle for him. And the zero emissions would be welcome near hives and wax supplies. Bees don’t like certain vibration frequencies, dislike fumes; and beeswax absorbs any airborne particulates and odours. Plus buyers such as those making cosmetics and health/drug related products, will absolutely not purchase beeswax contaminated by particulates or odours or introduced chemicals. For candle making and food wraps, particulates can be carefully filtered out, though this adds cost. However, contamination from fumes or chemicals, cannot be removed. So for any product for external human/animal application or internal consumption, there is no compromise on quality of base product.
A camper van version of this would be a good replacement for our VW T5 camper. Might look into a diy version if they can supply the van with windows and no interior.
Additional drag of roof mounted equipment would ruin the range I think. Until they can quote 400 mile real world figures, it won't serve most of the service industry.
The extra drag at speed would be noticeable but need a back to back test to get the result. But if you need the ladders then you need them and live with it. At low speed it’s inertia that causes the loss, so for most it would be ok.
Company I work for has got some Ford Transit PHEVs. Can’t understand why they didn’t go for this or the vivaro e when our average miles a day is 70-90 and that’s being generous...
I'm looking at the Peugeot/Citröen/Vauxhall van for my family In Germany and Netherlands you can get it in 50 or 75kWh flavours Respect to the van peeps that need panel vans, families are going to be a big market too considering the number of VW Transporters you see cutting around
Prices are crazy. 25kwh difference in battery size for 7 grand works out at about £280 per kWh at a time when $100 per kWh has been achieved from a manufacturing point of view. they aren't serious about moving electric models yet as they want to recoup the R&D costs for the petrol/diesel models. just dropped a load hitting euro6 regs too.
Maybe the rear view is for other markets where the steel bulkhead doesn't exist, not required unlike UK, so they just left it there rather than remove it. I could see if it had a 90kWh or even 100kWh pack and they built it as a campervan style could be great for touring around the UK & Europe with possibly even other countries if the charging infrastructure was in place for it. But why only a 7kW AC onboard why not a 11kW as the Van driver, that van needed to be white so it fit in with the Top Gear White Van Man challenge :) , can plug it in for 30min on a 22kW plug and get a decent amount back while away having lunch.
No need to do a full on camper conversion; just install basic bed, fridge, cooker & kitchen units & you have a stealth camper, make everything easily removable & you soon have a handy van again.
Most delivery drivers need to know if you can get two 40 inch x 48 inch pallets in at the back. A lot of times the hump where the back wheels are, make it tight to get them in without damaging goods.
Generally, all vans are designed in such a way that they can accept Europallete (1200mm by 800mm by 144mm). Even smaller vans have something like 1258mm between the arches.
Euro pallets are smaller, standard pallets are bigger. Having worked in despatch, you had to specify the size of pallets else couriers would send a van and you would not be able to fit pallets on.
I’m totally agree that you’ve mentioned that if Commercial EV is a tipping point. Range anxiety often controls consumer’s mind . Once range anxiety no longer on commercial vehicle, private EV will gain mass acceptance.
Hi Joiner here with some questions. I have the diesel version of this van and my manager has offered me the opportunity to switch to the e-dispatch. How nippy is this off the mark? Does the e version still have the volume control on its own stork on the right of the steering wheel underneath the indicator? Volume controls on the steering wheel just aren’t as easy to reach. Also great video, nice to see a fellow Yorkshireman tell it like it is 👍😁
Brilliant vid mate. Key still is price but your points are dead right. Have driven a Citroen van for many years at low milegae and have done the sums. Your work is nudging me.
Electric camper is a nice idea but as most campers actually do very little annual mileage I am not sure that it makes economic sense until the price comes down a bit, especially as new van conversions are already an eye watering price.
@@ElectricVehicleMan That could work as long as its under 2m for car park height barriers, it’s the bigger ones which are used less as you are limited to where you can go in them. Hopefully in the future the manufactures will supply an electrically powered cab and chassis that motor home manufactures can build a coach built motor home on. Actually there is a few few smaller coachbuilts that use Citroen Dispatches and their cousins for motorhomes at the moment I wonder if they’ll be able to supply an electric version of the cab and chassis to build on 🤔
My Dad drives a diesel Nemo for his job. If Citroen made an electric on with like 150miles range in real world range it would be perfect!! The dispatch is far too big for him
Good van review, if you include these items it would be a great review, in the storage area will a euro pallet or uk pallet slide between the wheel arches, max height of an item being slid in past the rear doors, does the vehicle have access doors on both sides or only one and can a pallet be removed from the side access doors, you might need to take your tape measure on the next review….😍..🚚
OK as a milk float but a lot of van drivers use vans for hobbies at the weekend. Range needs work. There is no reason for EV prices to be so high. EV cars probably charge once, twice a week, van every night. So 2 EVs who gets the charger. Is there any future plans for homes with multiple EV.
Electric camper would be great but you'd need a high top version and need to make sure the batteries etc would be serviced from the bottom and not the floor at the back. Just at to allow for insulation/flooring etc.
Owning a service engineering business on the west coast of Ireland, until I retired, these would have been the perfect vans. Most days Our vans would do maybe 80-100 miles with the odd day doing 140 and maybe a couple of time a year 190 so I believe this is the perfect van. The Mercedes van, frankly is a total waste of time far to little range for comfort. As I was VAT registered I’d reclaim VAT. We bought all our vans on a lease purchase arrangement so the monthly payment wouldn’t be that much more than an ICE van and was set against tax. The fuel, service and repair savings would easily out way the cheaper diesel van, for me it’s a no brainer.
Hey Colin, good insight. You should get one for your retirement. I'm in a similar situation business wise. I'm on the south coast and travel as far as Belfast and Newry as well as all parts of Ireland. It's a no brainer for me too. All I want is a network of fast chargers (100Kw) and smart charging V2G at home/work.
Electric camper van would be awsome.
I'd love a camper van but the fact that I'd rarely use it makes it hard to justify.
Having an electric one with far less costs involved like servicing and tax etc would be good, and I'd probably use it more anyway because it would be cheap to run.
Excellent video, I've just placed an order for a Nissan e-NV 200 Tekna rapid plus with heat pack for under £300 Inc vat on a 24 months contract.
Why 24 months, IMO within the next £24 months electric vans will have longer range and drop in price.
Thanks for the review - it looks like a step in the right direction, but....
You mentioned that the 75kWh battery is about £6k more than the 50kWh. That gives a price of £240/kWh. Given that Tesla's battery costs are believed to be under £100/kWh, either PSA have got major issues with their costs or they're ripping customers off. That would suggest the battery pack in the base model costs £12k or of the £25k purchase price; at Tesla prices you could reduce that by £7k.
And that nadger hazard of a gear selector; I can see why it's there for a conventional gearbox. It's a shame they couldn't do a different version of the dash for the EV version - better packaging would give an extra incentive to buy.
Keep up the good work.
I've done Amazon van delivery in the central belt of Scotland, that van would be perfect as a usual days milage would be 100-120 miles. One of the things I found most tiring about the job was the constant jerking motion of stop start changing gear and vibration, it kills your back and left leg which then get hammered running up tenement stairs 8 hours a day. I hear that Amazon are building a new warehouse near Glasgow this year with a bunch of EV van charging points, which will I'm sure be a nod to the environmental conference thats happening. Knowing EVs and vans I can say that it's a no brainer, but that will hold no water with your one man and van. The real impact will be delivery agencies that work for Amazon making people drive electric because it's cheaper, the drivers will moan and spit about it, but they will be singing praise after one week. And then all those ex agency vans will hit the second hand market, just in time for the bloke down the pub to see the sense in an electric van.
I’ve owned env200 for 5 years now I will never go back to diesel and I’ve saved a fortune
It’s the cost of ownership, need to see the sheet for it to see if is cheaper, and then the big companies will switch.
Currently a 6 month wait for Peugeot and Vauxhall version.
Acknowledging other road users in a van! Disgraceful behaviour.
hi , i'm a multi-drop driver based in/around Edinburgh .. i average 1000miles a week , my 3.5 ton diesel van averages 30-35 mpg .. so this would easily handle the days im' in town centre ( usually 100-130 miles ) .. would struggle in my twice weekly run to Aberdeen
If you can charge at home on a 5p tariff, and can live with a 30-40 minute charge on your Aberdeen trips, would save a ton on fuel.
1000 miles a week 35 MPG and Diesel at £1.20 is £155 a week (1000 / 35 * 4.54 * 1.20). At worst case 2 miles / kWh and best case Octopus overnight tariff of 5p that is £25 a week (1000 / 2 * 0.05) which is a saving of about £520 a month - which sits well next to the extra finance cost :) Lower service cost, brakes might well last 100,000 miles, and so on. Lower depreciation / better final-value too. Can't help you with the static time charging on your Aberdeen days unless you have something you can do at that time - emails that you would normally do when you got home? If so then maybe you could consider that is just time-shifted.
a huge benefit for me would also be not listening to diesel drone for 6-8 hrs daily .. if only i can convince fleet manager
@@ecok . Asking this as someone who uses the metric system I curious: Do you use MPG but show prices of diesel per liter in the UK? (Because of the 4.54 conversion in your calculation)
@@samreijers909 Yes, we do. We're all mixed up!
Why do all vans not have a camera rear view mirror? They are dirt cheap these days. Ditto cameras for hgv blind spot (front right) and automatic braking for when they are watching porn at 50mph
front left corner not front right!
Electric camper van makes allot of sense since if using camp sites, most of them have electric hookup.
campsite electric supplies typically have limited output, sometimes as low as 10 amps, so at best you could only charge with a granny lead and there would be no spare capacity for electric accessories (kettle, cooker etc within the van) so fast charging on the route would be the answer.
@@jeta1f35 - Many campers park-up for 2days to a week. Then walk/climb/frequent the pubs of the local area. And only occasionally venture out in the van. For those hours when they’re away from the van, why not leave it on a trickle charge and the next time they’re out and left the van, trickle it again.
Rapid charge it when you can, fast charge when you need to; and trickle charge it when there’s the opportunity, (providing the site hasn’t got exorbitant hookup fees). But you’d know how much, before plugging in.
@@jeta1f35 even if you never to set the EVSE to 6A, you will still be able to use power in the van.
You have a large battery you can as a buffer.
The 12 V battery is charged from the high voltage battery. So you get a constant supply of power.
Yes but a lot won't let you hookup a car. You could granny charge it from a caravan however
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Those jokes are offensive to van drivers because you don't use C and F and W words enough :)
So, £250 more expensive per month.
Lets suppose £90 to fill from empty with 75 litres of diesel, that will take you 500 miles (30mpg in 2nd gear at 30 like the man that went by) and as you said 10% of the price for electric (if you can keep to home charging).
Save £81 per fill up, so 3 fills from empty per month equals the additional cost.
So if yo do 1,500 miles per month, or about 75 miles a day for 20 working days per month, the electric is cheaper.
75 miles is half the real world range of the £25k version so, a tradesman doing 100 miles per day would be in the money!
The biggest demographic for the van is the central London delivery where it will save on the congestion charge
congestion charge exemption will be discontinued in 2025, for EV's...
@@iainansell5930 No idea how much the congestion charge is, but saving it for 4 years could be a pretty significant amount still
@@iainansell5930 Plus there will be pay/mile charge introduced once we're all driving electric vehicles. Actually, it'll be pay/km. That way it can be raised more as with the gallon to litre con. Gotta, get that TAX somehow and the motorist isn't going to get away with it.
This vehicle for me is the turning point .I don't want another ice. Van
A column gear shift would have been good to give the middle passenger more leg room.
Good video.
That's what I thought, absolute waste of space there
Have to agree about the gear selector. I'm not a fan of toggles and push buttons for gear selectors. Citroen have a steering wheel stalk on their automatic C4 Picasso so why not have the same on the van? Keeps it out of the way of the centre passenger and doesn't need you to look down to see what you selected.
Agreed, gear stick on the steering column is the best solution. Saves space and you don’t need to look down.
They’ve got a winner on their hands, but where’s your Hi Vis???
And safety boots
But can you fit a standard pallet and 4x8 boards/plaster - that is the "joke" - but if identical to the diesel then the answer will be yes
I love the EV camper idea.
For certain craftsmen it would be great if you could use the van's batteries to power a mitre saw or tile cutter. And yes, in and around urban areas these would be great for tradesmen and couriers alike.
I think the upcoming Ford Transit will have a 110v/240v take-off in the back.... Others are bound to follow suit at some point....
I drive a fiat Ducato long wheel base bought with 27000 miles for 13000.00 for me the range isn't there yet and there way too expensive.
How much does it cost to fuel your van? And how much is maintenance for it’s service?
The best thing about that van as with any electric van is you don’t have a clutch because that takes it’s toll on you over time.
When I was multi-dropping for a courier firm, I would cover about 120 miles per day. The interior mirror is a one-size-fits-all thing, for the open-backed - (no steel plate), or the flat-back vans that have a window behind the seat. That van, of course was a manual shift - and once, bored out of my mind, I counted how many gear-shifts I did in a one-day trip, I lost count at over 2000!
i saw another review where the mirror actually gives a view of the road behind from the camera when u flip the switch at the back of the mirror.
Rear view mirrors houses some sensors for automatic lights and rain or radar on some vehicles. This isn't just PSA saving costs. My VW T6 has it too despite a bulkhead. Can't see why they couldn't just make a small slim box or remove the mirror section.
PSA leccy van sounds excellent, waiting for the ID Buzz Cargo however. 300bhp. My next race van.
Handy for checking your hair and lipstick too, I would think! :-)
Standardised assembly........
Maybe they should buy a licence from Jaguar Land Rover and fit their Clearview rear view cam system that can be specced on the new Defender vans
I think a rearview mirror may be a requirement for registration, even if it’s totally non-functional. Plus if you can’t see behind you, rear iew cameras should be compulsory. Especially on a van. Too many children die or are seriously injured in vehicles with restricted visibility when reversing.
@@mondotv4216 vans that don't have auto sensing wipers and lights don't have the rear view mirror when specced in panel Van form. It's literally only to save money instead of designing a new sensor housing without the mirror.
"idę spać" (pronounced 'e-di spatch') is Polish for "I'm going to sleep" 😂
That's all I can hear when you say the name of the van.
Solid review, as ever, cheers EVM.
"0-60 is... possible" lol , great review. Agree with all your comments.
You could make the long wheel base high roof version into a camper van.....If you're one of those people who are fond of shitting in a bucket inside a wardrobe that is :)
yes , we all remember what Jeremy Clarkson said about caravans
Moving wardrobes are different!
And thats why ikea wont let me back in.
I'm a water treatment engineer current van is a Renault traffic drive fully loaded all the time average daily usage 150 miles a day up & down motorways into Leeds , Liverpool & Manchester .
Big issue would be charging as it's a company van so if I charge at my house over night who pays?
I'm out 7am to 6pm most days and eat lunch on the go or parked on a street or customer site so charging every day during working hours would be a pain without good charging network.
As I currently fill up with diesel 1-2 times a week for 500 miles of range.
A lot of home chargers will tell you exactly what you've spent if you need work to pay. British Gas are giving the Vivaro E (the same van) to their drivers and I'm sure their staff aren't paying for their own charging.
As for charging on the go. If you're doing lots of motorway journeys then it shouldn't be an issue - there are rapid chargers at every service station. A full battery in the morning + a 20 min top up will give you 200miles (with the bigger battery) and that's in the worst conditions.
Some of the country you drove through reminded me of Pateley Bridge, although I'm sure a lot of North Yorkshire looks like that.
Great review. Good job as I already ordered my e-expert LWB 75KW back in November! Perfect for my business.
Nice van i work on building site i would need the 75 kwh because I do drive more than 125 miles some times maybe one day when cheaper but nice
My immediate thought was campervan conversion... You’d need the long wheelbase version. Ideally, a Merc Sprinter/VW Crafter extra long wheelbase & extra high top version would be ideal 👌🏻👍🏻 You could have a colossal battery on both of those vehicles 👌🏻👍🏻
Yeah but real world range of e-Crafter right now is less than 60 miles because of 35 kWh battery pack- that's way too small! Also 40 keh charging only
@@stevezodiac491 actually loads of rapid chargers up that neck of the woods. Much easier to put a charger in place than a petrol station.
You could indeed have a colossal battery but unfortunately that would come at a colossal price! That's the big challenge for camper van usage because the battery capacity is the most expensive aspect. Working vans with a daily predictable mileage are a much easier to judge. The cost effective approach (for working van) is actually to buy a vehicle with the smallest capacity battery that meets your needs rather than driving around with a larger expensive batter that's not used to its capacity very often.
You didn't mention if they was any grants and various tax incentives for electric vans, could you cover those in another video?.
You get 6k towards it at mo.
You should review the Maxus eDeliver 3, the first ground up EV van available in uk, a lot cheaper, more range (213 miles WLTP City- the 52.5kwh), and CCS. Fastest 0-30mph I’ve ever done in a van. The test drive immediately made me change my mind from a diesel van, just ordered one !
The eDeliver 3 has issues with charging speeds, on a rapid charger it only gets 22kw at times, it's not a viable option ua-cam.com/video/nJJLEiOGdKE/v-deo.html
is it me are does EVM wear the same clothes in all his videos :P :P :P - nice van - I am going to send this to my express delivery friend and get his feed back
Love them , because I’ve got breathing problems, they would be parked up outside their delivery places . Waiting,say , 15 minutes not chucking out chocking fumes like diesel vans 🤪🤪🤪
yeah, also the sound of big truck engines driving miles away during the day and hogging the roads. Imagine a world where EV semis barely make noise and drive overnight.
Think clean air zones!
I can see the value of one.
A grip wrench onto that selector and you’re sorted.
The only problem there might be it's French origin. It'll snap off......
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One problem with vans is that charging spaces are not always that long and a 6.5m van would have its rear hanging out in traffic. Charging spaces will need to lengthen if more vans go electric. And I can’t imagine where big 7m+ Motorhomes will charge while on holiday. But things will change, I guess.
It is not the range that is so important once you get over 140 miles and a bit, it is the torque. A fully loaded van is a bugger with a diesel engine. I don't know how much weight those vans carry but, three and a half tons in an electric van should be much better to drive than a diesel.
(not multidrop courier0mega sameday courier 100k pa. average sameday 60k pa. This looks more like Hermes/Amazon job. But with staff turnover etc I can't see self employed adopting it yet. Employed drivers probably yes.
The rapid charging is the key to open the market for this van this cant be under estimated GAME CHANGER electric vans are here:))))))))
It’s a very attractive van at that!! I had a Citroen AX Dimension many years ago. Good little car, but only a blinking supermini!!
Does it have battery cooling or will it rapid gate ..... Plus what rate can you charge it at home / work 7KW or 11KW /single or 3 phase. Thank you very much for this video.... Can you please do a video on the running costs of your Tesla how many miles between services etc
Std is 7 kw charging, 3 phase is an option.
The pack is cooled and heated and accepts 100 kw dc fast charging as std.
Most will charge over night on a 5p rate.
Think a video explaining the options an cost is needed.
I would like a hybrid car but the cost of them are not worth it to me yet!
I drive daily drive to work is just under 88 Km round trip (55 Miles) there is not charging at my works I live in an apartment block so no charging there BUT there is a fast charging point only 1.5 Km from my home (and I can get a coffee there).
and at least once a month (in the winter) I do a journey of 250 km (155 miles) round trip in the summer I do this sort of trip at least twice a month: The summer cottage I go to in the summer is a proper wooden cottage with NO electric.
SO for me I feel it would be more hard work to own one. But I am looking forward to the day this will change,
Well I think it would probably be a better camper than the Vauxhall Combo Life Electric!!
I’m a taxi driver looking for EV Multiseater but range under 200 miles is unacceptable in my profession :(
I own the 2ltr version and £250 difference would get 42 gallons of diesel so at least 1300 miles. A load of 300 to 500kg, will the electric version do that? I often do 200 miles one way at least 3 times a month so that's 3 fast charges. What do Citroen say about fast charging the battery as I'm sure the van logs it? My van is 2 years old on 0% finance withe the option to buy in a year.
Good idea but it needs to have a range of 300 miles as in the winter this will reduce.
has it got a 240 volt 3 pin socket?..... don't lease through citron they are the most expensive....
Just bought one of the Vauxhall variants in the LWB 75kWh. Can’t wait to pick it up!
I wonder why these manufacturers are not making use of solar power, and more battery capacity. Also by the time its loaded with just tools and ladders etc the range will be dramatically reduced especially when motorway driving or cross country driving.
Short to the point it says what it is over price for what u get
I run a dispatch diesel 25000 miles a year over 2 years £250 + vat a month it wouldn't stack up for me, will be another diesel for me this time
Are the batteries active cooling or air cooled etc. wondering on the long term condition? Of battery
My brother works for Royal mail and does under 10 miles per day. He uses the London taxi style vehicle ev. So no problem with range there.
Jimmy Sommerville, is that you?
Good review! I can't wait for a electric van but there not there yet. I do between 120/180 miles a day and It would be nice to do that with out worrys if iv got enough to get home.
They need to do 200 miles a day normal driving.
So when you park up for lunch you rapid charge if needed. You fill up and same for the van.
i hope its more than 2.5m/kWh. My ENV gets about 4 in summer and 3.3 in cold winter. yes its a bit smaller , and has less weight as the battery is only 24kWh.
I have a LWB Vivaro-E. We’ve covered 4K miles since mid February together. Rapid charged 5 times due to needing to do a bit extra distance, cover around 130 - 140 miles a day on rural A and B roads.
Once the weather warms up, I’ll expect more range.
It’s perfect for me.
Thanks for info, do you have a 50 or 75 kWh version?
Totally agree….I’ve a Maxus eD3, happy with the range but can’t wait for the warmer weather to get more !
Nice video, van looks very promising. Disappointing glove box - far too big, where are the fuses? For shame, French people, showing some thought in conversion to RHD.
Pity about the ads - Toyota self-charging and that creep Farage. WTF have I been watching to suggest that crap?
use adblock and you dont see any ads.
Van is on a 2 year service life as well so cost less than £100 a year to service the diesel van. Tyres still fine at 30k miles.
An Ev is pricy at the moment. But people always seem to forget to factor in how much you won't be spending on fuel and maintenance . It does make a big difference.
Why has it got a rear-view mirror?
One of my beekeeping friends often only drives 60mi a day. But equally he has months when he’s driving 200mi a day, 7days a week, as he has hives in five counties. Ok, so when he’s moving bees to pollinate crops, he’ll still need a flatbed lorry. But for checking hives, attending shows, swarm collection, delivery of small orders to inner urban areas and helping a local charity, the e-Dispatch would be just about the right vehicle for him.
And the zero emissions would be welcome near hives and wax supplies. Bees don’t like certain vibration frequencies, dislike fumes; and beeswax absorbs any airborne particulates and odours. Plus buyers such as those making cosmetics and health/drug related products, will absolutely not purchase beeswax contaminated by particulates or odours or introduced chemicals. For candle making and food wraps, particulates can be carefully filtered out, though this adds cost. However, contamination from fumes or chemicals, cannot be removed. So for any product for external human/animal application or internal consumption, there is no compromise on quality of base product.
The rear view mirror is so he can see what's bee hind him
I hope that's a joke.
@@ElectricVehicleMan That was the intention, sorry! 😉
@@johnbb99 Oh beehave
The tipping point will be an electric hearse.
These have been available for years!
Makes the vw look stupid and I am a vw transporter fan
I have a 10 year old Diesel .Would a by a 10 year ild electric %.
nice van 10 grand to dear
It needs someone to work out the cost of ownership, especially with clean air zones.
Does say , campervan to me,could be main vehicle instead of a car.
"A bit of wind noise". That'll be the bacon butties.....
A citron beating the Mercedes in driving experience🧐
The delivery vans are indeed becoming an important EV market.
Put it this way when electric vans are on the roads say bye to getting a charge as all the points will be so busy!
That will hopefully turn into a business oppurtunity
Hopefully there’ll be more rapid chargers around. The local DPD EV drivers charge at home most of the time.
@@SirHackaL0t. I’ve noticed that actually. 😂😂
To expensive for what you get
You'll never make a proper van driver if you say thanks to other road users !
We shouldn’t be buying french vehicles. The way france is behaving towards the uk is deplorable.
Which brand would you suggest? Which country is currently on your ok list?
..”in first gear doing 30 mph..” 🤣
Please can you do Vauxhall vavaro e
its a PSA van now, so will be the same van
It’s almost the same, but Vauxhall only offer 2 panel van specs in 3 lengths. 50 or 75 kWh battery.
Badge engineering!
After driving one I’m sold.
Yup. Need more commercial vehicles. Nice one⚡️⚡️👍
Gear changer not good at all, not practical.
A camper van version of this would be a good replacement for our VW T5 camper. Might look into a diy version if they can supply the van with windows and no interior.
Does it have a lot of safety features for when you’re risking your life with the standard of driving on Bradford roads?
Just avoid Bradford mate, I do and I’ve got to 52 year old !!
Nadger spladging. That's a keeper.
Nice video, wondering what's it like on juice, with a roof rack and ladders.. Frank here..
Additional drag of roof mounted equipment would ruin the range I think. Until they can quote 400 mile real world figures, it won't serve most of the service industry.
The extra drag at speed would be noticeable but need a back to back test to get the result. But if you need the ladders then you need them and live with it. At low speed it’s inertia that causes the loss, so for most it would be ok.
Wonder if the lack of “gear” selector is to stop your coworkers “accidentally” sticking you in reverse with their right knee whilst man-spreading.
Or grabbing the wrong shaft!
@@ElectricVehicleMan oo-err, missis.......
Can you tow a caravan with it?
Company I work for has got some Ford Transit PHEVs. Can’t understand why they didn’t go for this or the vivaro e when our average miles a day is 70-90 and that’s being generous...
I'm looking at the Peugeot/Citröen/Vauxhall van for my family
In Germany and Netherlands you can get it in 50 or 75kWh flavours
Respect to the van peeps that need panel vans, families are going to be a big market too considering the number of VW Transporters you see cutting around
Prices are crazy. 25kwh difference in battery size for 7 grand works out at about £280 per kWh at a time when $100 per kWh has been achieved from a manufacturing point of view. they aren't serious about moving electric models yet as they want to recoup the R&D costs for the petrol/diesel models. just dropped a load hitting euro6 regs too.
Maybe the rear view is for other markets where the steel bulkhead doesn't exist, not required unlike UK, so they just left it there rather than remove it. I could see if it had a 90kWh or even 100kWh pack and they built it as a campervan style could be great for touring around the UK & Europe with possibly even other countries if the charging infrastructure was in place for it. But why only a 7kW AC onboard why not a 11kW as the Van driver, that van needed to be white so it fit in with the Top Gear White Van Man challenge :) , can plug it in for 30min on a 22kW plug and get a decent amount back while away having lunch.
No need to do a full on camper conversion; just install basic bed, fridge, cooker & kitchen units & you have a stealth camper, make everything easily removable & you soon have a handy van again.
Most delivery drivers need to know if you can get two 40 inch x 48 inch pallets in at the back.
A lot of times the hump where the back wheels are, make it tight to get them in without damaging goods.
If the derv version does, this does. Which it will.
Generally, all vans are designed in such a way that they can accept Europallete (1200mm by 800mm by 144mm). Even smaller vans have something like 1258mm between the arches.
Euro pallets are smaller, standard pallets are bigger. Having worked in despatch, you had to specify the size of pallets else couriers would send a van and you would not be able to fit pallets on.
I’m totally agree that you’ve mentioned that if Commercial EV is a tipping point. Range anxiety often controls consumer’s mind . Once range anxiety no longer on commercial vehicle, private EV will gain mass acceptance.
Hi Joiner here with some questions. I have the diesel version of this van and my manager has offered me the opportunity to switch to the e-dispatch. How nippy is this off the mark? Does the e version still have the volume control on its own stork on the right of the steering wheel underneath the indicator? Volume controls on the steering wheel just aren’t as easy to reach.
Also great video, nice to see a fellow Yorkshireman tell it like it is 👍😁
Brilliant vid mate. Key still is price but your points are dead right. Have driven a Citroen van for many years at low milegae and have done the sums. Your work is nudging me.
Electric camper is a nice idea but as most campers actually do very little annual mileage I am not sure that it makes economic sense until the price comes down a bit, especially as new van conversions are already an eye watering price.
I was thinking more of it could be used as one of the households cars as it’s cheap enough to run as one.
@@ElectricVehicleMan That could work as long as its under 2m for car park height barriers, it’s the bigger ones which are used less as you are limited to where you can go in them. Hopefully in the future the manufactures will supply an electrically powered cab and chassis that motor home manufactures can build a coach built motor home on. Actually there is a few few smaller coachbuilts that use Citroen Dispatches and their cousins for motorhomes at the moment I wonder if they’ll be able to supply an electric version of the cab and chassis to build on 🤔
Our company probably spends £250 a month on diesel so the cost would average out.
My Dad drives a diesel Nemo for his job. If Citroen made an electric on with like 150miles range in real world range it would be perfect!! The dispatch is far too big for him
Good van review, if you include these items it would be a great review, in the storage area will a euro pallet or uk pallet slide between the wheel arches, max height of an item being slid in past the rear doors, does the vehicle have access doors on both sides or only one and can a pallet be removed from the side access doors, you might need to take your tape measure on the next review….😍..🚚
OK as a milk float but a lot of van drivers use vans for hobbies at the weekend. Range needs work. There is no reason for EV prices to be so high. EV cars probably charge once, twice a week, van every night. So 2 EVs who gets the charger. Is there any future plans for homes with multiple EV.
Just get two chargers!
@@ElectricVehicleMan that's 64amps, plenty of houses on 60amp main fuse. Even on 100amp main dosnt leave much to play with.
@@douglasgreaves188 Then you just get it upped to a 100amp fuse. Loads have this already, it’s nothing new.
Electric camper would be great but you'd need a high top version and need to make sure the batteries etc would be serviced from the bottom and not the floor at the back. Just at to allow for insulation/flooring etc.
Nice looking van, pricey mind.
How does the payload compare with a diesel model
Slap a load of solar on the roof and the big one would be a great camper that trickle charges itself when parked for a few days.