Matt: "Q-Bee ABSOLUTELY has mad sex appeal!" Max: "If you're gross, man!" Matt: "I AM!" Justin: "She's full of that honey!" Best way to close an episode
My favorite part of this whole podcast was whenever Matt or Justin would mention a character that Max doesn’t remember and all of sudden you just hear him yell, “Oh this asshole!” after he looks them up. Freaking hilarious
The P in Tekken's P.Jack stands for "Prototype." Also, as far as I know, The reason why Jack usually don't have actual weapons most of the type is because they were intended to be worker robots, not fighters, until they made Gun Jack. I think in Tekken 2, Jack 2 wonders off from his job and does his own thing, and in his ending, he gets deleted for going rogue by a satellite laser or something. He was just giving a girl a flower and they blast him.
Personally I think Adon should have used Muay Thai's sister style Lethwei which is more focused on Headbutts, Punches, and Hyper Aggression that would fit him perfectly and he still gets to do the rivalry with Sagat because the IRL beef between Muay Thai and Lethwei is nuts
Or a Pradal Serey practitioner from Cambodia to complete the trinity of SE Asian 8 limb arts (Muay Thai - Thailand & Lethwei - Myanmar respectively). If Capcom wanted to keep Adon from Thailand they might want to add a few more traditional Muay Boran moves.
The biggest thing they could've done to fix Elena in Ultra, is to make Healing a Super instead of an Ultra. Switch it with her Spinning Beat or something. That way, she's not getting rewarded as often for getting beaten, and it makes it more of a choice for how you want to spend your meter: give up your EX moves, or hold onto it for a clutch life regen?
I believe Baf mentioned this in Bad Balance, but making it an alt super also means it's competing with FADC, EX moves, and her base super, which would make it significantly rarer
I like that we get three different views on why they dislike certain characters and that this is specified as a completely personal list. It’s much more interesting because we’re not going to get the same generalized opinion we see on most “worst fighting game characters” lists.
Hope that they do a Triple KO on fighting games spin offs like Soul Calibur Legends, MK Shaolin Monks, Death by Degrees, Puzzle Fighters, DOA Volleyball, Virtua Quest, Guilty Gear Isuka, and the KOF for Girls dating sim.
I don't play fighting games really but I do know who Vega is and what his personality is like. He is an interesting character design even though he is a deplorable psychopath. Makes him a good villain though. I love how Chun-Li broke his face with her cute little foot and threw an ENTIRE couch at him in the animated movie lol
I knew Max was going to mention Vega. I thought that's what he was going to initially say over Dhalsim, but then he threw in he was considering Vega and how he's a POS character for POS people. That hurt my POS heart.
Honestly surprised Max or Justin didn't mention anything about their hatred of Vergil and how he ruined UMvC3. I guess SNK Galactus finally made Max embrace his dark side.
Since the KOF legacy, Max still to this day have no idea that the Chang Choi duo character is a Capcom thing... SNK never did that, they are two separated characters in every KOF game.
I have a tendency to gravitate to annoying or weirdo characters because I think it's funny. I seriously played as F.A.N.G., Hakan, Q, Xanadu, Teddie in Persona, Servebot in Marvel, and Blanka in CVS2. I actually get irritated when I see a lack of weirdo characters in a fighting game like KOF15 and the leaked SF6 roster.
I 100% agree. Fighting games need the oddball characters to give more personality. Otherwise everyone’s personalities blend into each other and it becomes boring.
I disagree with Alisa. Sure the chainsaw arms and exploding head may be weird and silly but I always thought that it was pretty cool idea for a character. Plus we need more fighting game characters who have chainsaws as weapons aside from her and Leatherface from MKX.
I absolutely agree with Alisa. Her aesthetic just speaks to me. I love the chainsaws for arms and also her iteration for SFxT was the one that got me like, "Okay, this girl has something".
Her throw where she takes her head off and it explodes in the opponents hands is genius. Oh, and how when an opponent techs her throws, they take her arms off and throw them to the ground and shit. I was blown away when I first saw that! I was like damn they really took the android idea and ran with it in so many creative ways
The thing with Alisa versus Gon or Panda or whomever is that Tekken treats Panda as a joke. Because Panda is a joke. But they treat Alisa like you're supposed to take her seriously.
I liked Fang at first (and love those movies btw), but I thought he was too much of a joke for someone who, I felt like, should've been taken seriously. That one part in the story where he just dissolves someone with poison and drinks the ashes was honestly what I wanted more of him instead of "flying bird man super", especially when this guy is supposed to be on the same level as guys like Balrog & Vega. I also just think he's lame to play so that doesn't help In the SF6 leak, one of the newcomers kinda looks like a genderbent Fang but actually looking seriously cool and shady, and I feel like that kind of design was what they should've done with Fang in the first place
@@zachataxxii7126 Yeah, I also really like Fang's design from a mere visual point of view, but there's this weird dissonance with the character. It almost looks like there are two Fangs, the one in the story and the one you actually see during gameplay. I don't think goofball antagonists are impossible to pull off correctly, but if you also want them to be taken seriously then this becomes a very delicate matter. Kefka managed to do it because the whole idea was that he was a nutjob with way too much power, and it was precissely the fact that he was so unhinged and unpredictable was what made him scary, but Fang didn't work because his weirdness during combat simply didn't match his supposed character concept.
If they made him a more serious character, he would've been badass. His silliness is not fun. It's just cringe lol. To compare, Dan's silliness is fun.
@@Hilipinapixili If Fang said goofy things but was dead serious it could work but the dancing and the over the top antics made him a joke. But you could argue him being goofy could lure somebody to underestimate his ability as an assasin. I'm glad to see Fang's succesor in sf6 looks to be more serious.
If you were wondering before watching, most of their disdain comes down to their play style and playing against them, but there are a few characters where they hate their design and personality.
Kuma from Tekken 7 will always and forever piss me off for ONE reason. Because I played it a lot my freshmen year of college with people in the video game club, and this guy named Keith would always pick Kuma, would do nothing but medium punch you, and would get you in an unblockable cycle and beat you. And after beating me, Keith would put the controller down and walk away laughing maniacally.
@@RobSomeone Whatever you’d call it, I guess. It’s been years since I’ve played Tekken. And yeah, I know that Kuma is weak. If anything, that made it more embarrassing.
39:50 I feel that Maxima is one of these characters that fits very well for the story, visual and mood of the game they are introduced in, but then they stop making sense when dragged into future releases. "K" and Maxima had a great synergy with the whole KOF 99 theme - you know, with Kyo clones being revelead, new early-cyberpunk-era technology being introduced on the villains side, all of that. Even Maxima clothes and default color palate goes well with the whole thing. The decision of keeping "K" in following games made sense for me because he carries that edgy and "visual key" style that comes with the franchise, but Maxima is just... out of place, imo.
You know, I used to hate Lucky Chloe as much as the next guy. Then Lord Kaizur changed me because he used her against Akuma, and the DLC P2W characters. Nothing better than seeing backswing blow against +frame move.
My personal choice for worst fighting game character will always be the old lady from the Power Instinct games. Don't get me wrong - I ADORE the concept of an impossibly spry ancient old lady who is the matriarch of her family & to prove your martial arts skills you have to beat her. But you CANNOT beat her. Every time I played those games and saw her come up next on the roster, I just knew that I was gonna lose.
P-Jack was Prototype Jack, wasn't it? The feral Wolverine was after Magneto had ripped his adamantium skeleton out in Fatal Extractions. His healing factor kicked into a really high gear. People at the time thought his bone claws was his skeleton adapting to his not having the adamantium claws anymore, but later on it turned out that he'd had the bone claws all along.
Apparently the story was marvel wanted bone claw wolverine in the game because that's how he was in the comics at the time and capcom had to push for adamantium wolverine to be included as well. Take it with a grain of salt I heard this online but it wouldn't be the first time marvel's been difficult. It's the reason Ironman was left out of the first MVC.
No character is uredeemable in terms of quality. As Geoff Johns once said: there are no bad characters, only bad writers. Same with fighting game characters. Look at how NRS reimagined characters like Shinnok (MKX), Fujin (MK11), Bo Rai Cho (MKX), Tanya (MKX), Kenshi (MK9). I think you can always reimagine a character no matter what. You just need an imagination.
It's a nice way of thinking, but I have one little problem with it: some characters are so bad that to even attempt to "improve" them, you'd basically need to turn them into completely new characters, and by that point, you have to look at both versions and ask "Is this even the same character, or just two different people with the same name?"
I hope they do a triple k.o. episode on "fighting" games. As in games that definitely have fighting in them, but are not the first things you think of. I'm talking punch-out, fight night, wwe, Sifu, For honor, fighting mini-games within bigger games, and so on.
This has to be one of my favourite episodes for this podcast 😂 I didn't know Frank replaced Leon in TvC, that's just as heartbreaking as Frank also (supposedly) replacing Gene from God Hand in UmvC3...
I have doubts about that one. Personally I heard Frank was always intended for the og MVC3 but they couldn't get him in on time so he was just moved over to ultimate.
The creativity for FANG was good they can change some of his stuff and it will be great. The worst character would be Oni. A character derived from a derived character.
I like fangs design . But I didn’t like his demeanor . He reminded me to much of a one piece villain. And I love one piece but not the theme I’m looking for in street fighter
I feel that would be an unbalanced podcast episode, max barely consumes anime/manga from what i know, while Matt is the complete opposite. I have no idea about Justin doe.
I don’t care what anyone says, I love Havik and I guarantee if he was put into a modern MK game the people who didn’t like him will probably end up liking him.
I know this is about 2D fighters, but firstly: Ganondorf and secondly I'm going to throw my own hat into the ring and say: Zorgulon from War of The Monsters. His only good move is his super: a probe that summons three U.F.Os to ether hunt down an enemy or to patrol an area and blast nearby enemies. That is the only good tool that isn't shared across the cast. To bad you can't use it very often as he has to burn his super-charge on a reversal/melee super to get people away from him as the launching hit of all of his standard light string is very easy to trigger by accident instead of a heavy string-ender and it is so ridiculously delayed that the opponent has time to block before it lands. And don't think you can bypass this by starting with your strong attacks as the first hit is even slower. Unless you have an item like an explosive, spear or a bloodening weapon or if you spend your super to send them flying (and it's the slowest one in the game so don't expect to land it all the time). Finally, despite being a ZONER, his projectile is slow to shoot and barely tickles the foe. Oh, and if the opponent is playing a top tier or Raptros, your fucked; Agamo can brush off his piss-poor damage and hits so hard that he can kill Zorgulon in two and a half light-strings WITHOUT using his torch, Robo-47 can out-zone him despite not being a zoner himself and if he gets into melee range Zorgulon is turbo-fucked as Robo has the best normals in the game whilst Zorgulon has the worst by a MILE and Kenteticlops and Raptros are a pick your poison: armouring through your reversal before hitting you with a stupidly damaging command grab with more range than you or being chased by a normal-heavy Rushdown with a fuckton of jumps and a super powerful flamethrower WITH AFTERBURN! Zorgulon is so ridiculously bad that not only is arcade stage 10 which is a one on three against three full-strength Zorgulon on a tiny map piss easy, but I also don't even think its possible to beat stage 5 with him due to it being a two on one against two Raptros on his worst and their best stage, meaning that if it weren't for the fact that Zorgulon is an unlockable like Raptros and they share the behind the scenes video for their endings, 100% would be impossible. He is the worst character I've used not just in fighting games but games in general and is a weird black-spot on this very good and weirdly balanced for something in the middle of the "fuck balance; just make the attack feel kind right" era game.
As someone who has not played most of these games, please allow me to thank you for putting in the pictures of the characters you are talking about. I just opens this whole video for people like me who are only casually experienced with fighting games.
On one hand, he is unbelievable broken and annoying and I do not respect anyone who plays him competitively. On the other hand, I love Vergil and he is hilariously stupid to play lol
I remember fighting Vergil online way too many time and just putting my control down as soon as he got the 1st hit because damn I knew that combo wasn't ending
I can't hate on FANG, getting to Platinum rank with him was the most fun I had with SFV. He came off as far more interesting in his solo story than he was in the main story. Birdie and Laura were butchered there also.
@@o_oro-q1k is he supposed to be goofy? I get the impression it's a Rufus situation of "we have a cool concept for a character, let's just design him to be a shithead for no reason and give him the most screentime in the story mode".
@@DisappointedBuddha Thing is at least with Rufus they went all-in and commited to the character. With Fang there's this weird dissonance that makes it hard to believe the dude in the story scenes is the same one that is acting like a complete goofball during gameplay.
Gigas has some very interesting lore that's connected to another forgettable character; Katarina. so Katarina competes in the King of Iron fist tournament in search of her stepfather because she understands that Mishima zaibatsu had something to do with his disappearance, only to find out that her stepfather has been experimented on and transformed into Gigas. that is some very interesting lore, unfortunately the characters involved in it are not.
He could've been designed to look more serious and less bizarre. He replaced Sagat as the 4th Shadowloo King but compared to the original 4 he's a joke. Also his poorly animated sleeves took away from his design. However, he had a unique playstyle and a really good theme song so props there.
28:08 - I love guile in MVC2, he is very strong against sent. His air flash kicks don't need charging and they cover a wide range of the screen, so you could super jump and quickly do down, up, kick to get a sent murdering flash kick blade.
Hard disagree on Alisa, I like the Astro Boy inspiration as she resembles Dr. Bosconovitch's deceased daughter, and her elegant but also fierce and powerful fighting style mixing ballet with thruster kicks and punches, she's just so cool and cute to me, and I love her playstyle I love Matt's take on Devil Jin, he's just so over the top edgy that he ends up being great, and I kinda also think the same of Lars Btw the P. in P. Jack stands for -penis- Prototype
Devil Jin is 100% "loops back around to being cool". Though I feel like he's kinda cheating cause it's like best Jin look, the flame Gi pants with the dot triangle gauntles is just peak design. The chain arm guards are actually cool too. The wings and horns and extra tattoos can honestly get left at home. But like it's pidgeon shit on the Empire State building, you don't notice. Though disagree on Lars, he's Animeboy and it just stands out too much. Especially since he's meant to be a Tekken Force soilder, but looks like a Cosplayer.
@@NEEDbacon Funnily enough I don't think Lars looks out of place in Tekken. The crazy hairstyle is already the Mishima trademark and we also have plenty of crazy moves and fighting styles in Tekken, so I think he fits in just fine, though, admittedly, he can be a bit too much at times, so I can see where you're coming from. I do like the idea that he's Heihachi's illegitimate son, but they didn't really go anywhere with this (also Tekken 6 story is a complete mess), so I wish it was given more focus. All in all, he's not as great as the others, but I like him and his crazy fast and stylish fighting style.
@@azurepixels It's not so much it's hair, it's his fucking shitty armor. Like he's meant to be a Tekken Force Member, but looks like an shitty anime Shonen protag. Actually he looks BETTER as a Naruto Shonen character. He's much better in casual clothes. So like, give him more generic armor, or stop trying that look.
The Jin twins actually did return in Neo Geo BC lol. Also funny how Kusaregedo gets brought up without the most disgusting thing about him...poop toss secret move...2nd most being his 40% command throw.
This is a personal take but for me here's top 3 potential characters in fighting games that I actually like. 1. Ferra/Torr (MKX)-Thier designs are interesting and I like the general aspect of fighting 2 in 1 characters and since Noob Saibot/Smoke did I ever love the idea. 2. Meitenkun (KoF)- He's literally the definition of I would kick your ass with my eyes close, he lowkey kinda reminds me of a kung-fu movie where a guy fights his enemies while he's asleep and is OP when he wakes up. 3. Rufus (SF)-Look I don't know about anyone but I sometimes like a bit of comedy in fighting games and Street Fighter where most of the cast are all serious,stotic and down to earth Rufus fits as even more of a literal joke character. Implementing his style of kung-fu,mistaking other people as Ken and getting into fights with them and like most other fighters strive to become a strong fighter despite his girth. Plus his comedic fight between Bob in SFxTekken trailer was hilarious. Of course again this is just my take and not to offend no one, it's just how I feel anyways.
Ferra/Torr is honestly underrated and, if they never comeback, then I hope they at least make another duo character that plays like them because they were just fun in MKX. Meitenkun, I'm kinda indifferent about. I like the idea of him being lazy but secretly being a beast, but I feel like I've seen it before but done better (Slayer from Guilty Gear's a good example of never really trying and yet could easily kill you if he wanted to) Rufus, I'm just not a fan him being a copy of Bob but worse, especially since Bob was supposed to defy all the Fat & American stereotypes while Rufus was a living Fat & American stereotype. I think guys like Dan & Rolento are funny enough, but there also needs to be an element of "They're lame, but they can seriously kick your ass under the right circumstances", and Rufus never felt more like some goon that the main characters would one-shot to get to the real fight. Unfortunately, I actually really like how he plays and wish his moveset was given to someone I cared more for (like the King Cobra concept he was supposed to be that Matt mentioned). The SFxT trailers were great though, honestly the best trailers Capcom ever made
I like, Meitenkun, he's basically an alternate take on Drunken Fist, but revolving around sleepyness, most of the hate he gets is because his design isn't stylish or cocky as it is more geared towards silly or even cutesy for the female audience, not a very popular archetype in fighting games but an original take.
So that part about Leon almost getting in was interesting, did not know about that. I knew about the Date Masamune cut, but definitely not the Leon change. Might be a fun topic to talk about characters that almost made it into various games.
Has anyone brought up yet that Youkai Kusaregedo was designed by Yasuhiro Nightow, the creator of Trigun? He created him after he drew a Samurai Shodown manga.
Personally I would say Rufus for sure, almost every single new character we saw in the PS2/Xbox 3D Mortal Kombat games, Cetrion in MK11, and Abigail in SFV.
I once fought Justin using my scrublike Zangief in SF4 and got absolutely wrecked for my efforts. The man ain't lying. He also bodied a good chunk of my friends, by his domination of my Gief felt personal. GG Justin, it was a great match.
I'm honestly not too much of a spiteful person when it comes to many characters in fighting games because I'm just way too positive thinking towards other people when it comes to said characters in playstyle and fighting against. And I don't really have any characters that I hate character or design wise, more just characters I don't care for. The only exception for characters I don't like are all of the characters added in the 2.0 DLC of BBTAG because they are the most annoying zoner characters ever to deal with because BBTAG is so offensive and dosen't have as many defensive mechanics that can easily stop them a lot
@@galactic1555 Not saying I don't like them as characters, just saying they're so tiresome to deal with when you only have the base roster at your hands
Sylvie is easily the worst design ever to pollute a mainline KOF roster. I don’t care if she’s modeled after a real person. If anything, that makes it worse. She’s almost, but not quite, as bad as Mignon and Ninon Beart in Maximum Impact.
Hey guys, love the podcast! I would love to see you guys talk about the rise of indie fighters and how much of a cult following they have. Games like Terrordrone, skullgirls, etc. Or another subject would be going franchise by franchise and suggesting new characters for each and what you'd like to see from them.
I wonder if they're going to reference the SugarPunch Design Works' Design Shop episode on F.A.N.G at some point, Matt featured in one of their videos about Abigail, so maybe ?
I kind of want to see them do an episode on fighting game mods like the UMvC3 character mods, SF2 Rainbow Edition, or the Goku invading other game stuff But i can't imagine what else could come up for that one
I couldn’t pull off Gief moves on SNES so when I finally learned him years later on stick or analog it was so fun. They took away banishing fist in SFV so I don’t get all the hate, he’s hard to use but I like a challenge and like being different. My other favorite is Dhalsim. I learned him in X-men vs SF and never looked back.
Also, what they did to Baraka sucks. They DO have a hierarchy to their characters. That's why the second they found out Baraka was top tier they booted him in mk1.. They nerfed the s*** out of him and more or less kept Johnny and Kenshi because they're marketable as good guys..
@@SpaghettiYOLOKing couldn't agree more about Mileena stans. Most of them are degenerates and the fact the devs always bend the knee to those losers is really pathetic. I also don't like her because of them. From a story mode perspective though, they are not the only ones hating her, she is really badly written and she always kills main characters while never getting any comeuppances for it. It's like a dev in NRS has a kink for her or something. It's annoying.
B-but Arthur and his game are core Capcom characters from their heights in the arcade... I'll side with Matt on this one to bring Maximo in since that game got me into the Ghosts n' Goblin's franchise back as a kid
Personally I really love F.A.N.G. but I completely understand why a lot of people hate him. If he were to return in SF6 (Which will probably never happen) I think the only way to save his character would be to make him cyborg, kinda like his mecha costume but more robotic and monstrous. Make his whole story about him lusting for power and discovering the only thing blocking him was his mortality, so he creates becomes obsessed with cybernetic enhancements and goes too far. His new body keeps his hat and his lanky physique, but it adds a lot more mechanical aspects and purple glowing accents. He can now morph his body (similarly to Twelve) and create blades with his arms that are coated in poison. I think with this sort of change F.A.N.G. can finally become the big threat that he was meant to be, because he was already a dangerous assassin who could melt a human being to ash in seconds. But now it shows how he went from an assassin to a monster.
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"If Sylvie comes back in SNK I will eat my hat."
I hope the hat tasted good.
Matt: "Q-Bee ABSOLUTELY has mad sex appeal!"
Max: "If you're gross, man!"
Matt: "I AM!"
Justin: "She's full of that honey!"
Best way to close an episode
It's hip to fuck bees
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l didn't heard that they were talking about q bee l thought that they were still talking about bb hood wen they said that💀
Justin's reaction when Max started ranting about 3rd strike Chun Li is just golden.
He knew he was telling the truth
this is a great long video also triple 6 comments
He got Max back though at 1:15:12 😅😂😂
PTSD: Post Third Strike Disorder.
It was about to be a return of east coast/west coast beef lol.
My favorite part of this whole podcast was whenever Matt or Justin would mention a character that Max doesn’t remember and all of sudden you just hear him yell, “Oh this asshole!” after he looks them up. Freaking hilarious
The P in Tekken's P.Jack stands for "Prototype." Also, as far as I know, The reason why Jack usually don't have actual weapons most of the type is because they were intended to be worker robots, not fighters, until they made Gun Jack. I think in Tekken 2, Jack 2 wonders off from his job and does his own thing, and in his ending, he gets deleted for going rogue by a satellite laser or something. He was just giving a girl a flower and they blast him.
Traumatizing her, too....Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't she become the one that worked on Gun Jack and Jack 5?
@@pyromaniacforhireyes that was jane
@@belosneshkaaaa 💜
Personally I think Adon should have used Muay Thai's sister style Lethwei which is more focused on Headbutts, Punches, and Hyper Aggression that would fit him perfectly and he still gets to do the rivalry with Sagat because the IRL beef between Muay Thai and Lethwei is nuts
Or at least have a successor with that in mind.
Or a Pradal Serey practitioner from Cambodia to complete the trinity of SE Asian 8 limb arts (Muay Thai - Thailand & Lethwei - Myanmar respectively).
If Capcom wanted to keep Adon from Thailand they might want to add a few more traditional Muay Boran moves.
The biggest thing they could've done to fix Elena in Ultra, is to make Healing a Super instead of an Ultra. Switch it with her Spinning Beat or something. That way, she's not getting rewarded as often for getting beaten, and it makes it more of a choice for how you want to spend your meter: give up your EX moves, or hold onto it for a clutch life regen?
I believe Baf mentioned this in Bad Balance, but making it an alt super also means it's competing with FADC, EX moves, and her base super, which would make it significantly rarer
I like that we get three different views on why they dislike certain characters and that this is specified as a completely personal list. It’s much more interesting because we’re not going to get the same generalized opinion we see on most “worst fighting game characters” lists.
Max's intense hatred towards devil jin always makes me laugh
Hope that they do a Triple KO on fighting games spin offs like Soul Calibur Legends, MK Shaolin Monks, Death by Degrees, Puzzle Fighters, DOA Volleyball, Virtua Quest, Guilty Gear Isuka, and the KOF for Girls dating sim.
Definitely in the mix!
@@triplek.o.2192 I'm excited!
I am very confused by that last one
Don’t forget Mortal Combat Mythologies: Sub-Zero.
What was the name of that Cammy-led shooter/beat 'em up, Rolling Spike, maybe? Do y'all remember this?
I hate playing against Vega too but his design is just way too cool to be left out. Just his theme and stage alone in SF2, ooff.
I don't play fighting games really but I do know who Vega is and what his personality is like. He is an interesting character design even though he is a deplorable psychopath. Makes him a good villain though. I love how Chun-Li broke his face with her cute little foot and threw an ENTIRE couch at him in the animated movie lol
Have you heard Vega's theme in SF2HD remix? Best in the series.
@@etinarcadiaego7424 that was the greatest shit I've ever seen, still is. Hnng.
I knew Max was going to mention Vega. I thought that's what he was going to initially say over Dhalsim, but then he threw in he was considering Vega and how he's a POS character for POS people.
That hurt my POS heart.
Honestly surprised Max or Justin didn't mention anything about their hatred of Vergil and how he ruined UMvC3. I guess SNK Galactus finally made Max embrace his dark side.
Probably the same thought process Max said regarding Vega. Vergil is annoying in UMvC3, but he soooo cool!
Vergil may be stupid good in UMVC3, but You can't hate him because DMC3 and DMC5 make you like him
@@eduardomora5244 Fair point. Did not take into account his coolness he has in the DMC series, compared to his one appearance in a fighting game
Of course Max didn’t mention it. He sold his soul already and it was worth it
As a Street Fighter player that mains both Dhalsim and Vega I feel attacked even though their claims are completely legitimate
32:15 Sylvie's not only playable in KOF All-Stars, but also has two separate variants.
47:38 His name was Kusare-Gedo. He's *a* youkai.
Since the KOF legacy, Max still to this day have no idea that the Chang Choi duo character is a Capcom thing... SNK never did that, they are two separated characters in every KOF game.
I have a tendency to gravitate to annoying or weirdo characters because I think it's funny. I seriously played as F.A.N.G., Hakan, Q, Xanadu, Teddie in Persona, Servebot in Marvel, and Blanka in CVS2. I actually get irritated when I see a lack of weirdo characters in a fighting game like KOF15 and the leaked SF6 roster.
I 100% agree. Fighting games need the oddball characters to give more personality. Otherwise everyone’s personalities blend into each other and it becomes boring.
Just like me frfr. I played Kollector in MK11, Hakan SF4, Fat Majin Buu in DBFZ, Faust in GG, Abigail in SFV
@@tiersexualcommunistpropaga2766 Abigail mains rise up!
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I'm the same. FANG, Q, Hakan and Blanka are great (haven't played the other games)
I disagree with Alisa. Sure the chainsaw arms and exploding head may be weird and silly but I always thought that it was pretty cool idea for a character. Plus we need more fighting game characters who have chainsaws as weapons aside from her and Leatherface from MKX.
I absolutely agree with Alisa. Her aesthetic just speaks to me. I love the chainsaws for arms and also her iteration for SFxT was the one that got me like, "Okay, this girl has something".
Alisa >>>> Katarina and Eliza tbh
Alisa is dope yeah lmao, one of my favorite Tekken additions
You know who has a chainsaw weapon? FRANK WEST BAYBEEEEEEEEEE
Her throw where she takes her head off and it explodes in the opponents hands is genius. Oh, and how when an opponent techs her throws, they take her arms off and throw them to the ground and shit. I was blown away when I first saw that! I was like damn they really took the android idea and ran with it in so many creative ways
(Sylvie confirmed in Jan 2023!)
Time to eat that hat of yours, Matt.
The thing with Alisa versus Gon or Panda or whomever is that Tekken treats Panda as a joke. Because Panda is a joke. But they treat Alisa like you're supposed to take her seriously.
Justin: I despise Iori Yagami
Max: Sakurai is weeping tears 😭
I came into this episode right after Season 2’s roadmap for KOFXV dropped. So… is Matt gonna eat his hat?
I might be the only person in the world that likes Fang's character design. It's very reminiscent of Big Trouble in Little China or Kung Fu Hustle.
I liked Fang at first (and love those movies btw), but I thought he was too much of a joke for someone who, I felt like, should've been taken seriously. That one part in the story where he just dissolves someone with poison and drinks the ashes was honestly what I wanted more of him instead of "flying bird man super", especially when this guy is supposed to be on the same level as guys like Balrog & Vega. I also just think he's lame to play so that doesn't help
In the SF6 leak, one of the newcomers kinda looks like a genderbent Fang but actually looking seriously cool and shady, and I feel like that kind of design was what they should've done with Fang in the first place
@@zachataxxii7126 Yeah, I also really like Fang's design from a mere visual point of view, but there's this weird dissonance with the character. It almost looks like there are two Fangs, the one in the story and the one you actually see during gameplay.
I don't think goofball antagonists are impossible to pull off correctly, but if you also want them to be taken seriously then this becomes a very delicate matter. Kefka managed to do it because the whole idea was that he was a nutjob with way too much power, and it was precissely the fact that he was so unhinged and unpredictable was what made him scary, but Fang didn't work because his weirdness during combat simply didn't match his supposed character concept.
If they made him a more serious character, he would've been badass. His silliness is not fun. It's just cringe lol. To compare, Dan's silliness is fun.
Throw purple slide under opponent to me is the same as dhalsim yoga fire teleport gimmick. I will defend fang alone if i have to.
@@Hilipinapixili If Fang said goofy things but was dead serious it could work but the dancing and the over the top antics made him a joke. But you could argue him being goofy could lure somebody to underestimate his ability as an assasin. I'm glad to see Fang's succesor in sf6 looks to be more serious.
If you were wondering before watching, most of their disdain comes down to their play style and playing against them, but there are a few characters where they hate their design and personality.
It's funny how yesterday I was thinking "what if Triple K.O. did a podcast about shitty fighting game characters" and here we are.
The Meitenkun slander is crazy lol. Who doesn’t love a character that wakes up, beats your ass, then goes back to sleep. Thats amazing !
Kuma from Tekken 7 will always and forever piss me off for ONE reason.
Because I played it a lot my freshmen year of college with people in the video game club, and this guy named Keith would always pick Kuma, would do nothing but medium punch you, and would get you in an unblockable cycle and beat you.
And after beating me, Keith would put the controller down and walk away laughing maniacally.
I too hate Keith.👌
There's no medium punch in tekken and Kuma's one of the weakest characters, but ok.
@@RobSomeone Whatever you’d call it, I guess. It’s been years since I’ve played Tekken.
And yeah, I know that Kuma is weak. If anything, that made it more embarrassing.
I've never met a cool Keith
has he eaten his hat yet
yes
39:50 I feel that Maxima is one of these characters that fits very well for the story, visual and mood of the game they are introduced in, but then they stop making sense when dragged into future releases.
"K" and Maxima had a great synergy with the whole KOF 99 theme - you know, with Kyo clones being revelead, new early-cyberpunk-era technology being introduced on the villains side, all of that. Even Maxima clothes and default color palate goes well with the whole thing.
The decision of keeping "K" in following games made sense for me because he carries that edgy and "visual key" style that comes with the franchise, but Maxima is just... out of place, imo.
Lol Sylvie is back on KoF XV season 2 😅 (31:58)
You know, I used to hate Lucky Chloe as much as the next guy. Then Lord Kaizur changed me because he used her against Akuma, and the DLC P2W characters. Nothing better than seeing backswing blow against +frame move.
Bless lord Kaizur, love his crazy gambling playstyle
Literally my favorite character in 7
My personal choice for worst fighting game character will always be the old lady from the Power Instinct games. Don't get me wrong - I ADORE the concept of an impossibly spry ancient old lady who is the matriarch of her family & to prove your martial arts skills you have to beat her. But you CANNOT beat her. Every time I played those games and saw her come up next on the roster, I just knew that I was gonna lose.
"It's just video games at the end of the day." Thanks, Matt. I appreciate your level-skulled approach. ;D
P-Jack was Prototype Jack, wasn't it?
The feral Wolverine was after Magneto had ripped his adamantium skeleton out in Fatal Extractions. His healing factor kicked into a really high gear. People at the time thought his bone claws was his skeleton adapting to his not having the adamantium claws anymore, but later on it turned out that he'd had the bone claws all along.
Fatal Attractions, not Extractions
@@killerb255 Yes, the extraction was far from fatal.
Apparently the story was marvel wanted bone claw wolverine in the game because that's how he was in the comics at the time and capcom had to push for adamantium wolverine to be included as well.
Take it with a grain of salt I heard this online but it wouldn't be the first time marvel's been difficult. It's the reason Ironman was left out of the first MVC.
Matt: *Calls out Sylvie Paula Paula*
Oh, Matt... I can't imagine you liking her latest reveal...
No character is uredeemable in terms of quality. As Geoff Johns once said: there are no bad characters, only bad writers. Same with fighting game characters. Look at how NRS reimagined characters like Shinnok (MKX), Fujin (MK11), Bo Rai Cho (MKX), Tanya (MKX), Kenshi (MK9). I think you can always reimagine a character no matter what. You just need an imagination.
Dunno man, Jarek will always be Discount Kano in my books.
@@brendanw8136 in Armageddon he actually got a unique design and his own special moves that doesn't copy Kano.
It's a nice way of thinking, but I have one little problem with it: some characters are so bad that to even attempt to "improve" them, you'd basically need to turn them into completely new characters, and by that point, you have to look at both versions and ask "Is this even the same character, or just two different people with the same name?"
17:00 JWong's reaction is absolutely freakin priceless XD
Don’t hate the character hate the function
I've never liked characters that I have to mash moves like Blanka's electricity and Chun-Li's lightning kick. I can never combo into these.
32:00 get some salt Matt... SHE IS BACK
Eat that hat, Matt!
I hope they do a triple k.o. episode on "fighting" games. As in games that definitely have fighting in them, but are not the first things you think of. I'm talking punch-out, fight night, wwe, Sifu, For honor, fighting mini-games within bigger games, and so on.
This is a good idea. I'd include God of War: Ascension's multiplayer in your list.
Wii Sports Boxing (and maybe Fencing)?
This has to be one of my favourite episodes for this podcast 😂 I didn't know Frank replaced Leon in TvC, that's just as heartbreaking as Frank also (supposedly) replacing Gene from God Hand in UmvC3...
If that's true, then I have a personal hatred towards Mr. West now.
I have doubts about that one. Personally I heard Frank was always intended for the og MVC3 but they couldn't get him in on time so he was just moved over to ultimate.
The creativity for FANG was good they can change some of his stuff and it will be great. The worst character would be Oni. A character derived from a derived character.
I like fangs design . But I didn’t like his demeanor . He reminded me to much of a one piece villain. And I love one piece but not the theme I’m looking for in street fighter
You should an episode "Which anime, manga, videogame, comic book deserve a fighting game adaptation?".
I feel that would be an unbalanced podcast episode, max barely consumes anime/manga from what i know, while Matt is the complete opposite. I have no idea about Justin doe.
I might have one:
Killing Bites.
Basically Bloody Roar, but more fanservicey... and horribly frightening.
I love Justin at 35:00 mad at Iori always being top tier meanwhile he mains Chun Li and Sagat 😂
I don’t care what anyone says, I love Havik and I guarantee if he was put into a modern MK game the people who didn’t like him will probably end up liking him.
I really want to see Havik come back. Loved him in the PS2 games, and he was cool in the MKX comics too.
Compared to others he wasn't actually bad
I can see him being bettering the newer games.
I loved his spinning torso attack.
Guy breaks off his own bones and reassembles them back as if it were a hobby for him.
I can't get enough of this podcast, thanks for the content guys ♥️
I know this is about 2D fighters, but firstly: Ganondorf and secondly I'm going to throw my own hat into the ring and say: Zorgulon from War of The Monsters. His only good move is his super: a probe that summons three U.F.Os to ether hunt down an enemy or to patrol an area and blast nearby enemies. That is the only good tool that isn't shared across the cast. To bad you can't use it very often as he has to burn his super-charge on a reversal/melee super to get people away from him as the launching hit of all of his standard light string is very easy to trigger by accident instead of a heavy string-ender and it is so ridiculously delayed that the opponent has time to block before it lands. And don't think you can bypass this by starting with your strong attacks as the first hit is even slower. Unless you have an item like an explosive, spear or a bloodening weapon or if you spend your super to send them flying (and it's the slowest one in the game so don't expect to land it all the time). Finally, despite being a ZONER, his projectile is slow to shoot and barely tickles the foe. Oh, and if the opponent is playing a top tier or Raptros, your fucked; Agamo can brush off his piss-poor damage and hits so hard that he can kill Zorgulon in two and a half light-strings WITHOUT using his torch, Robo-47 can out-zone him despite not being a zoner himself and if he gets into melee range Zorgulon is turbo-fucked as Robo has the best normals in the game whilst Zorgulon has the worst by a MILE and Kenteticlops and Raptros are a pick your poison: armouring through your reversal before hitting you with a stupidly damaging command grab with more range than you or being chased by a normal-heavy Rushdown with a fuckton of jumps and a super powerful flamethrower WITH AFTERBURN! Zorgulon is so ridiculously bad that not only is arcade stage 10 which is a one on three against three full-strength Zorgulon on a tiny map piss easy, but I also don't even think its possible to beat stage 5 with him due to it being a two on one against two Raptros on his worst and their best stage, meaning that if it weren't for the fact that Zorgulon is an unlockable like Raptros and they share the behind the scenes video for their endings, 100% would be impossible. He is the worst character I've used not just in fighting games but games in general and is a weird black-spot on this very good and weirdly balanced for something in the middle of the "fuck balance; just make the attack feel kind right" era game.
As a Chipp enthusiast, can confirm, grapplers like Potemkin are walking PTSD.
As someone who has not played most of these games, please allow me to thank you for putting in the pictures of the characters you are talking about. I just opens this whole video for people like me who are only casually experienced with fighting games.
Im surprised there was no mention of Vergil. I personally love him, but he is the biggest robbery character in fighting games lol.
I swear he is the most broken. DT-XFactor-basic BNB and you'll lose 50%-75% to a TOD depending on xfactor! Makes me build so much salt 🧂
On one hand, he is unbelievable broken and annoying and I do not respect anyone who plays him competitively. On the other hand, I love Vergil and he is hilariously stupid to play lol
Fun to watch easy to play hell to fight.
I remember fighting Vergil online way too many time and just putting my control down as soon as he got the 1st hit because damn I knew that combo wasn't ending
@@ChrisDeebo so Dark Phoenix is not in this convo?
I can't hate on FANG, getting to Platinum rank with him was the most fun I had with SFV. He came off as far more interesting in his solo story than he was in the main story. Birdie and Laura were butchered there also.
I'm in the minority of liking FANG, he's not in my top favs, but I find him interesting. He's so gleefully evil and weird. I dig him!
Both y'all definitely in the minority fuck that character
I can hate on fang, he looks far too goofy for what could have been a cool concept.
@@o_oro-q1k is he supposed to be goofy? I get the impression it's a Rufus situation of "we have a cool concept for a character, let's just design him to be a shithead for no reason and give him the most screentime in the story mode".
@@DisappointedBuddha Thing is at least with Rufus they went all-in and commited to the character. With Fang there's this weird dissonance that makes it hard to believe the dude in the story scenes is the same one that is acting like a complete goofball during gameplay.
Gigas has some very interesting lore that's connected to another forgettable character; Katarina.
so Katarina competes in the King of Iron fist tournament in search of her stepfather because she understands that Mishima zaibatsu had something to do with his disappearance, only to find out that her stepfather has been experimented on and transformed into Gigas.
that is some very interesting lore, unfortunately the characters involved in it are not.
As a king main who switched to Gigus I love the big guy a
I actually like F.A.N.G, but hey...
Bro, I like him too. And I don’t know why.😂
He could've been designed to look more serious and less bizarre. He replaced Sagat as the 4th Shadowloo King but compared to the original 4 he's a joke. Also his poorly animated sleeves took away from his design. However, he had a unique playstyle and a really good theme song so props there.
Calling out Matt, Sylvie is back so he will have to eat his hat
Justin is right about one thing related to Iori, claw Iori from kof 12 and 13 is a really cool character. That version of him should be in more games
The P in P-Jack stands for prototype.
28:08 - I love guile in MVC2, he is very strong against sent. His air flash kicks don't need charging and they cover a wide range of the screen, so you could super jump and quickly do down, up, kick to get a sent murdering flash kick blade.
Hard disagree on Alisa, I like the Astro Boy inspiration as she resembles Dr. Bosconovitch's deceased daughter, and her elegant but also fierce and powerful fighting style mixing ballet with thruster kicks and punches, she's just so cool and cute to me, and I love her playstyle
I love Matt's take on Devil Jin, he's just so over the top edgy that he ends up being great, and I kinda also think the same of Lars
Btw the P. in P. Jack stands for -penis- Prototype
Devil Jin is 100% "loops back around to being cool". Though I feel like he's kinda cheating cause it's like best Jin look, the flame Gi pants with the dot triangle gauntles is just peak design. The chain arm guards are actually cool too. The wings and horns and extra tattoos can honestly get left at home. But like it's pidgeon shit on the Empire State building, you don't notice.
Though disagree on Lars, he's Animeboy and it just stands out too much. Especially since he's meant to be a Tekken Force soilder, but looks like a Cosplayer.
@@NEEDbacon Funnily enough I don't think Lars looks out of place in Tekken. The crazy hairstyle is already the Mishima trademark and we also have plenty of crazy moves and fighting styles in Tekken, so I think he fits in just fine, though, admittedly, he can be a bit too much at times, so I can see where you're coming from.
I do like the idea that he's Heihachi's illegitimate son, but they didn't really go anywhere with this (also Tekken 6 story is a complete mess), so I wish it was given more focus.
All in all, he's not as great as the others, but I like him and his crazy fast and stylish fighting style.
@@azurepixels It's not so much it's hair, it's his fucking shitty armor. Like he's meant to be a Tekken Force Member, but looks like an shitty anime Shonen protag. Actually he looks BETTER as a Naruto Shonen character. He's much better in casual clothes. So like, give him more generic armor, or stop trying that look.
Matt’s wheezy laughing makes my day
Don't tell me you guys don't like Xanadu!!!!! That guy was the best thing about KOF14
Oof.
Stryker from MK3 is just the lamest character ever. I'm really surprised he wasn't mentioned.
I actually really liked Stryker in MK9. Do agree he was lame in MK3.
Stryker is lame in general and not because he’s a cop lol. Never liked him.
D'Vorah is probably the character I hate the most oin MK's history, not only sge's disgusting but the story of MK is coniderably worse because of her
The Jin twins actually did return in Neo Geo BC lol.
Also funny how Kusaregedo gets brought up without the most disgusting thing about him...poop toss secret move...2nd most being his 40% command throw.
Yea I hate him. I think he’s top tier in SamSho 5 Special. I hate fighting people who use him. Lol
I don't know, the fact that he starts eating his own arm after he wins a fight is pretty up there in the gross factor.
I liked playing as Adon in SF4. He's flighting style was more closer to muay thai
Justin: I'm hate Roll
Screen: *Show Roll.exe*
This is a personal take but for me here's top 3 potential characters in fighting games that I actually like.
1. Ferra/Torr (MKX)-Thier designs are interesting and I like the general aspect of fighting 2 in 1 characters and since Noob Saibot/Smoke did I ever love the idea.
2. Meitenkun (KoF)- He's literally the definition of I would kick your ass with my eyes close, he lowkey kinda reminds me of a kung-fu movie where a guy fights his enemies while he's asleep and is OP when he wakes up.
3. Rufus (SF)-Look I don't know about anyone but I sometimes like a bit of comedy in fighting games and Street Fighter where most of the cast are all serious,stotic and down to earth Rufus fits as even more of a literal joke character. Implementing his style of kung-fu,mistaking other people as Ken and getting into fights with them and like most other fighters strive to become a strong fighter despite his girth. Plus his comedic fight between Bob in SFxTekken trailer was hilarious.
Of course again this is just my take and not to offend no one, it's just how I feel anyways.
Ferra/Torr is honestly underrated and, if they never comeback, then I hope they at least make another duo character that plays like them because they were just fun in MKX.
Meitenkun, I'm kinda indifferent about. I like the idea of him being lazy but secretly being a beast, but I feel like I've seen it before but done better (Slayer from Guilty Gear's a good example of never really trying and yet could easily kill you if he wanted to)
Rufus, I'm just not a fan him being a copy of Bob but worse, especially since Bob was supposed to defy all the Fat & American stereotypes while Rufus was a living Fat & American stereotype. I think guys like Dan & Rolento are funny enough, but there also needs to be an element of "They're lame, but they can seriously kick your ass under the right circumstances", and Rufus never felt more like some goon that the main characters would one-shot to get to the real fight. Unfortunately, I actually really like how he plays and wish his moveset was given to someone I cared more for (like the King Cobra concept he was supposed to be that Matt mentioned). The SFxT trailers were great though, honestly the best trailers Capcom ever made
you offended me
I like, Meitenkun, he's basically an alternate take on Drunken Fist, but revolving around sleepyness, most of the hate he gets is because his design isn't stylish or cocky as it is more geared towards silly or even cutesy for the female audience, not a very popular archetype in fighting games but an original take.
Watching this today, I wonder if Matt ate his hat? Sylvie Paula Paula is back! 🤣
The fact they didn't talk about Soul Calibur V's cast is serious missed potential!
It probably would have been Cervantes disdain. But I agree, no SC when Samurai Shodown was even touched on was a headscratcher.
I never find out about these channels when they're announced/brand new, but I love them, 3 Legends imo 💪
Hey a heads up the Spotify version of this podcast cuts short around the Wolverine discussion.
Much respect for Matt's Noriyoshi Ohrai Spacegodzilla poster
49:10 Wait a second, Earthquake is from Texas in a series that takes place during a time period where Texas as a state didn't exist yet?
So that part about Leon almost getting in was interesting, did not know about that. I knew about the Date Masamune cut, but definitely not the Leon change. Might be a fun topic to talk about characters that almost made it into various games.
Wait what? Masamune was going to be in TvC? that's crazy, i would of love that.
Has anyone brought up yet that Youkai Kusaregedo was designed by Yasuhiro Nightow, the creator of Trigun? He created him after he drew a Samurai Shodown manga.
25:09 killed me. That My Way Entertainment reference was too slick. "I'm the Juggernaut bitch! My suit's so tight!"
Time to eat your hat
1:15:12 Maximilian got offended because deep down he knows Justin is right lol
Personally I would say Rufus for sure, almost every single new character we saw in the PS2/Xbox 3D Mortal Kombat games, Cetrion in MK11, and Abigail in SFV.
25:15 "His outfits so tight" From the myway production video...Legendary
I know these guys aren't big Dragon Ball FighterZ players but it's weird to not hear UI Goku mentioned in a talk about hated fighting game characters.
I once fought Justin using my scrublike Zangief in SF4 and got absolutely wrecked for my efforts. The man ain't lying. He also bodied a good chunk of my friends, by his domination of my Gief felt personal.
GG Justin, it was a great match.
Sylvie is coming back to KOF 15.
I'm honestly not too much of a spiteful person when it comes to many characters in fighting games because I'm just way too positive thinking towards other people when it comes to said characters in playstyle and fighting against. And I don't really have any characters that I hate character or design wise, more just characters I don't care for. The only exception for characters I don't like are all of the characters added in the 2.0 DLC of BBTAG because they are the most annoying zoner characters ever to deal with because BBTAG is so offensive and dosen't have as many defensive mechanics that can easily stop them a lot
You saying you don't like Yumi and Adachi? Crazy. Out of all the 2.0 characters Heart was the coolest for sure
@@galactic1555 Not saying I don't like them as characters, just saying they're so tiresome to deal with when you only have the base roster at your hands
@@gaminglakitu nah I was agreeing because those two specifically were bullshit.
@@galactic1555 Oh sorry lmao. I'm an idiot at noticing sarcasm sometimes
When they were saying to get rid of Firebrand and Arthur, I love those characters so that made me sad
Xanadu is rough but Slyvie is my personal least favourite from XIV, curious how many 3D MK era characters will be mentioned.
Sylvie is easily the worst design ever to pollute a mainline KOF roster. I don’t care if she’s modeled after a real person. If anything, that makes it worse. She’s almost, but not quite, as bad as Mignon and Ninon Beart in Maximum Impact.
@@jeffnussbaum716 Hell I'd argue she's worse than both.
Hey guys, love the podcast! I would love to see you guys talk about the rise of indie fighters and how much of a cult following they have. Games like Terrordrone, skullgirls, etc. Or another subject would be going franchise by franchise and suggesting new characters for each and what you'd like to see from them.
There's the one they did about "poverty fighters", which covers a bunch of more obscure/niche games, though the focus is a bit different.
Love the skullgirls ost
44:27 Max's gonna need those Manscaped boxer briefs after what happened the other day lmao
Alisa!? Max just really hates cute characters in videogames, huh? 😂
I wonder if they're going to reference the SugarPunch Design Works' Design Shop episode on F.A.N.G at some point, Matt featured in one of their videos about Abigail, so maybe ?
I kind of want to see them do an episode on fighting game mods like the UMvC3 character mods, SF2 Rainbow Edition, or the Goku invading other game stuff
But i can't imagine what else could come up for that one
The endless Street Fighter 4 and 5 mods, TMNT x Justice League, Super Clash of Ninja 4, some different ROM hacks, etc.
I like assuming that Max doesn't talk during the Manscaped ads because he can't advertise them without bursting out laughing
I couldn’t pull off Gief moves on SNES so when I finally learned him years later on stick or analog it was so fun. They took away banishing fist in SFV so I don’t get all the hate, he’s hard to use but I like a challenge and like being different. My other favorite is Dhalsim. I learned him in X-men vs SF and never looked back.
Zombie Liu Kang sucked because they kept portraying him in cutscenes using his chains as weapons but he’s never done that in-game.
Probably because his alt costume is human Liu Kang who doesn't have the chains.
“The coolest looking unreleased SF character”. Poor Zubaz.
Also, what they did to Baraka sucks. They DO have a hierarchy to their characters. That's why the second they found out Baraka was top tier they booted him in mk1..
They nerfed the s*** out of him and more or less kept Johnny and Kenshi because they're marketable as good guys..
Pretty surprised to not see D'vorah or Shun'Ei in the MK & the KOF parts in there lol but a really great podcast nonetheless.
D'vorah hate is so overblown and it's mostly because of Mileena stans. Mileena stans made me hate Mileena.
@@SpaghettiYOLOKing couldn't agree more about Mileena stans. Most of them are degenerates and the fact the devs always bend the knee to those losers is really pathetic. I also don't like her because of them.
From a story mode perspective though, they are not the only ones hating her, she is really badly written and she always kills main characters while never getting any comeuppances for it. It's like a dev in NRS has a kink for her or something. It's annoying.
P-Jack is Prototype Jack
B-but Arthur and his game are core Capcom characters from their heights in the arcade...
I'll side with Matt on this one to bring Maximo in since that game got me into the Ghosts n' Goblin's franchise back as a kid
Personally I really love F.A.N.G. but I completely understand why a lot of people hate him. If he were to return in SF6 (Which will probably never happen) I think the only way to save his character would be to make him cyborg, kinda like his mecha costume but more robotic and monstrous. Make his whole story about him lusting for power and discovering the only thing blocking him was his mortality, so he creates becomes obsessed with cybernetic enhancements and goes too far. His new body keeps his hat and his lanky physique, but it adds a lot more mechanical aspects and purple glowing accents. He can now morph his body (similarly to Twelve) and create blades with his arms that are coated in poison. I think with this sort of change F.A.N.G. can finally become the big threat that he was meant to be, because he was already a dangerous assassin who could melt a human being to ash in seconds. But now it shows how he went from an assassin to a monster.