Its his comic book background. It helps to tell the story thats needed to be told. I remembered when he wasn't doing that well viewership-wise as a comic book-centric channel. I'm happy he found a better income source as a fighting game retrospective-heavy channel.
Honestly I didn't really like his humor style which is unfortunate because it seems like his videos are very well researched. I just I think his humor style is too cringe
"I realize I must sound like a crazy person." -Thorgi Ha, please... If anything, you sold me on your channel. Going to watch that Blazblue video right now.
KOF lore is just amazing. I've tried characters I'd never pick because I needed that team ending. And teams stories progress from game to game arc to arc. Teams break up and teams make up. Primarily a streetfighter player. Never go online with KOF. I buy KOF just for story
I'm an indie game dev working on the art and story side of a fighting game and one of the fundamentals I've learned is that all fighting games are really mult-verse stories. Every time you beat the game with a different character it's a branching timeline. The main storytelling tools in a fighting game outside of the canon are environmentl and worldbuilding. Needs a lot of pre prep time and an approach that favors economy.
i love sf6's "story" because for the actual characters it's just all like "these characters stories are basically over now this is what they're doing with their lives now" while building something up.
@@dat1faclesdude There is more to it than that, the player character gets involved with a lot of subplots that give you a glimpse at the state of the world post-Shadaloo, and you get insight on the new overarching villain. Also, some of the veteran fighters' stories are clearly not over yet (i.e. Ken). SF6's story has a lot of setup for future games.
Considering Virtua Fighter as a whole and Bloody Roar 4 (not the series, just this specific entry) are treated as punchlines, the fact that Soulcalibur didn't even cross their minds is a little depressing, especially since it's been about 4-5 years since the last one (if you count any DLC or updates).
This video is love! I can firmly say that Matt and Thorgi's lore deep dives are what got me obsessed with SNK (and much more in love with fighting games), so happy to see you both here nerding out! Thank you for what you do.
1:24:48 I love this whole exchange where Matt is describing how you unlock more story trough difficulties in Weaponlord, Justin is like "Oh, that's interesting" and Matt is like "NO FUCK JAMES FOR DOING THAT"
Virtua Fighter lore is actually super interesting when experienced outside of the context of the games themselves. Did you know Kage has won the most tournaments? Because he keeps trying to find his mom who was kidnapped by the evil organization running it. Who was the base for Dural. Or got turned into Dural? There's multiple Durals.
Across their franchises, SNK are arguably the best with lore, from The Last Blade to even making you really care with a theoretical crossover franchise like KOF. Hope they get back to putting that front and center in City of the Wolves.
Personally, Guilty Gear wins my vote for actually reaching a conclusion where its main character settles down with a romantic partner (who happens to be another fighter) and, seemingly, lives happily and retired from his adventures.
@@ultraspinalki11Guilty Gear’s lore is too convoluted in my opinion, especially in later games. KOF is more concise with their lore, it’s still detailed but not to the point of going overboard.
@@orlanzo2621 If you find Guilty Gear's lore convoluted, you don't EVER want to even glimpse at Blazblue's. Guilty Gear can at least be followed and understood in a chronological manner in comparison to the timetravel mess that is Blazblue. I lost all interest in following it after the first two versions of the game. Gameplay is tight though.
@@ultraspinalki11 Oh yea trust me i know, lol. I've played Blazblue since Calamity Trigger, the story is all over the place, it's a mess, i stopped caring about the lore a long time ago.
Darkstalkers has underrated lore. For their technically 5 game releases, every character goes on some kind of arc through all of them. Donovan in particualar has a wild storyline that perfectly sets up for a sequel if Capcom ever pulls the trigger.
Donovan probably has the best "devil within" storyline in fighting games, especially since his makes sense on two fronts with him being a half vampire.
Absolutely agreed! Darkstalkers is such a beautiful property that is underrated. I really wanted to see where the story went after 3, like you said, so many characters went through an arc and I wanted that to continue.
I've always admired in Tekken 4 how nearly all the cast have good reasons for going into the tournament. Bryan needs to find a way to charge his power cell, or he'll die, Paul is out to prove that he won the Tekken 3 tournament but was robbed, Steve is on the run from the mafia for not throwing a boxing match.
That's pretty much why I think Tekken 4's got the best story in the whole series. It does a good job showing just how important the personal stakes are for everyone.
I want Darkstalkers to fuse together with Devil May Cry to give Capcom a reason to make a new Darkstalkers without making it a huge financial risk. Would ofc be really cool too to see Dante and co in a proper fighting game.
So cool to see Thorgi on here! I would pay actual money to see you guys come together and Build a Roster. I don’t even care what it is, just please do it!
Shoutout to Subspace Emissary that story mode blew my 9 year ago mind! Mario, Pit, Link, Yoshi and Kirby teaming up to chase down King Dedede also Solid Snake, Lucario and Meta Knight teaming up to get back Meta Knight's Halberd. Good fucking times. The person who did that story was Kazushige Nojima who worked on FF7 and Kingdom Heart's story.
Without a doubt my favorite story in fighting games is Soulcalibur, I absolutely love everything from edge/blade- the end of 3, 4 and 5 meander quite a lot, but I was really enjoying what they were doing with 6 and looking forward to what would come next (which unfortunately most likely won’t happen) In Particular, Siegfried’s story is one of my favorites in all of video games, from cocky pretty boy to tortured hero trying to atone for all he’s done, knowing he will never fully forgive himself…. Just badass
I was shocked they didn’t have a section on this, since Edge Master mode basically created and perfected fighting game story modes in one go, at least as far as the tech of the time would allow.
Considering the story is so close to SC1, I was suprised they didn't just reboot it with 6 and just call it SC1. At the very least, that would have gotten them more sales. Now the series might be dead for like a decade.
Blazblue story will also have a special place in my heart, but I am surprised Soul Calibur hasnt been brought up more. Seigfried's multiple game arc, the several interconnected stories and relationships, the rivalries...its so underrated
Glad more people are getting introduced to Thorgi. Seems like a genuinely good guy, and puts out quality work that you know he put 110% in. So happy for you, Thorgi! Happy new year to the Triple K.O. team, and to all of my fellow fans of fighting games. "GET READY FOR THE NEXT BATTLE"...
Great seeing Thorgi huest here and fittingly with FG stories and lore. I'm definitely knee deep in that SNK lore too for KoF and I agree with Thorgi in the backstory of characters bei it design and gameplay can really hook you into a franchise. For me it was Kyo Kusanagi's design and then finding out his gameplay change to rekkas was actually central to the story that opened me up into KoF lore.
27:25 So you mean to tell me that one night, Ganryu decided to listen to Gin and Juice before going to bed, and that's how we ended up getting a Snoop Dogg stage in Tag 2?
X-Men vs Street Fighter's story was that Apocalypse was abducting both mutants and street fighters while Bison and Magneto are trying world domination stuff, so the Street Fighters and X-Men team up to stop them.
@@dnmstarsi Me too, it would show that these guys are Capcom fanatics, they would go on hours just figuring out what characters, stages, bosses, and what type of story mode would look like.
@@JonathanGruber-uh4fd Plus it also shows that they have an audience that would waste their time hearing what these guys' ideal roster for whatever game they had in mind. Heck, I'm still wishing for Thorgi's Injustice 3 dream skin options and fanfic given his ideas for that game.
@@dnmstarsi Well for me I hope in the end of January, Thorgi hopefully does a Smash Build the Roster and I hope he does Capcom (there's 89 characters in SSBU, so Thorgi has to pick 82 characters & 7 Echo Fighters, and hopefully does not include guest characters).
@@JonathanGruber-uh4fd Honestly, for a Smash roster, I have multiple ideas for rosters that I can't decide which one should be cover first: (Capcom, Disney, Cartoon Network since that idea deserves another chance) That being said, I'd be down for Capcom Smash Evolution (title needs work even for a reference) even if we went the Sega route and did it as "what if Sakurai made Smash Bros for Capcom?" And I have my ideal roster for this game.
I'm so happy that lore-master Thorgi found his way to Triple KO! I remember requesting him as a guest after you guys had your first guest. Anyway, the conversation in this one did not disappoint! In terms of my favorite story and most-cohesive, both would go to Tekken for me. And I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see ya'll build a roster. Another comment mentioned Capcom All-Stars, and I think that is the best idea. As for my next guest request, Frank (Joseph) Yagami!
Max's point about kof fans attachment to specific character arcs is so true and for me it's that way with tekken . I love King's story throughout the games
Glad to see Thorgi on here, dude's easily one of my favorite guys on UA-cam. For my money, even with the retcons and flaws, the MK/Injustice games are the best in terms of plot. Between the story modes, the vast number of character interactions, and the movies, they've really done a lot to flesh out the characters and make me care about 'em. Soulcalibur VI also deserves a good mention for giving everyone in the roster their own canonical adventures during the story mode. Tekken used to be high on my list, until T6 made my boy Jin a war-mongering idiot. That, and the side characters getting increasingly shafted from T5 onwards. But I do like how the Bloodline cartoon handled everyone, that was cool. Fighting games as a whole could benefit from having more movies and TV shows.
I am one of the watchers who is "pissed" for not having anything mentioned about the Dead or Alive series. Dead or Alive: Dimensions on 3ds story mode was a nice recap of DOA 1 through 4.
@@anmoldembla4743 IIRC they actually did that (a School Life mode where you slowly build your custom character over the course of an in-game school year) with the evolution disc for the PS1 port of Rival Schools, though that was Japan only. Apparently people liked it so much that Capcom released an standalone expansion / Ver.2 of the evolution disc which added a couple of extra characters, among others. Project Justice also had a custom character feature, but it's School Life mode is instead a Mario Party clone. It's faster paced, but it's just not the same. Though if they were to revive the series they can use SF6's World Tour as a basis for it's School Life mode.
Fun fact about early Marvel games: The JPN endings and manuals XvSF and MSHvSF seem to confirm the games take place in a Marvel Universe where the SF characters simply also exist. As there's seemingly no mention of worlds colliding, and even some nods to continuity such as Cyclops acknowledging teaming up with Ryu for a 2nd time in MSHvSF. Personally, I think there's 4 distinct continuities in MvC but that's a whole other can 'o worms lol.
The "Marvel VS Capcom" series has its own official designated Number within the Marvel Universe: "Earth-30847". The events of "Marvel VS Capcom Infinite" might muddy things up a bit, though, what with their forced and irreversible merging of "worlds" due to Ultron Sigma. ... Now that I think about it, Captain America's MvC1 ending is the closest to imply their worlds are separate. While the phrasing leaves it up in the air ("With Onslaught's demise, you may return home now."), he is addressing the Capcom cast and summing up the plot (Professor X called out to the heroes to stop Onslaught, and everyone in MvC1 answered the call), so...there's that.
Virtua Fighter, like Dead or Alive, has that mysterious-organization-acting-in-the-background trope. This same organization brainwashed Sarah was the same who kidnapped Kage's mother, later to be revealed as Dural, that metallic boss lady that is fought at the end of the arcade ladder. It is true that the entire cast of VF has personal stories revolving around the main plot and Lau and Pai's are among the ones that are intriguing to me. Sounds like Justin found a Marvel vs Capcom 「同人誌」doujinshi or fanzine...with a side of hentai.
As I understand, J6 (the "mysterious-organization-acting-in-the-background" in VF) is collecting data from the world's greatest martial artists in order to build the perfect super soldier that they will then sell to the highest bidder. The various twists and turns therein then come from someone getting too close to figuring out what they're doing (which, I think, is what happens to Sara and later Vanessa). I believe DoA does the same thing, but it's a lot more straightforward in VF. Plus Dural could spank any version of Alpha any day of the week.
I've always felt like, since DOA originally spun out of(*cough--ripped off) Virtua Fighter 2, a potential cross over could be set up with DOA Tech either being part of, or in competition against J6, with the Dural and Alpha projects vying for some kind of military something. Kage and Ryu Hayabusa could also be like secret rivals...or sneak in Joe Musashi of Shinobi, cuz why not?
@@JSRLPadre Tekken is actually more a VF-inspired fighter. I believe Harada has claimed as such. Arguably, one can say that VF is the progenitor of all 3D-fighters. Given the time it came out, Sega was truly ahead of the times with this franchise, which is something that can be said about many of their franchises upon their respective releases. Fun Fact: DOA and Virtua Fighter have already had a crossover: Akira, Sarah, Pai, and Jacky (?) were guest characters in DOA 5.
@@DanteMasaru DOA 1 was built on the same board as VF2, and played mostly the same, except for the then experimental stuff Itegaki did with the block button. DOA 3 was probably the first time DOA really developed a distinct identity, in my opinion. And DOA 5 is not a true crossover in my mind, since they only cherry picked the VF roster(and not even my actual favorite characters), rather than bringing in everybody. That's like saying Tekken 7 is as much a crossover as SF X Tekken. But then, I'm probably just being elitist or something.
@@JSRLPadre Opinions are one thing, but there's also fact: Harada did say Tekken was inspired by Virtua Fighter. I don't deny that Dead or Alive was inspired by VF (see previous comment), but DOA using the same arcade board as VF (if that's really true) doesn't exactly speak of "inspiration" , but rather technology just being shared. I mean, Unreal Engine is a game engine used by many developers nowadays (see Tekken 7and 8). Having select characters from VF does not dilute the fact that it is still a crossover. Mai Shiranui also was playable in DOA and was the only KOF character to do so, if I'm not mistaken, but still a crossover nonetheless. Many often ask, "Where's Bandai Namco's version of SFxTK?" The answer to that is Tekken 7's Akuma's guest appearance. Granted, that's just speculation on my part, but it's a safe one at this point.
Nice to see another episode that's just a deep dive on a topic instead of just talking about current news, I fell off when thing started focusing on just going through headlines and covering game/dlc launches.
Absolutely amazing pod. Everyone was on it today and hilarious. Thorgi was a great guest and knows so much, and so humble too. Definitely got me to subscribe!
I only got into fighting games last year and for sure the final nail in the coffin for me was watching story breakdowns like thorgis and seeing the awesome stories and characters some of these games have!
So awesome to see Thorgi on here. He's my favorite. But I absolutely love Darkstalkers because of what was said at the end, the characters have so much story that the gameplay doesn't even matter. Yet it's still so good. My only disappointment in this one was that Soul Calibur wasn't mentioned. That story fascinates me.
1:15:35 There was a mode in UMVC3 called Heroes and Heralds. It was a battle between good and evil each week. Players fought npc's with power-ups iirc. That was a cool game mode.
Bless you Thorgi, I love seeing that passion and totally not biased because I'm a KOF character/lore lover too at all. Nice to see him in this one, it was really fun!
Speaking of the MvC2 story, I think what helped me kinda understand what was going on was Baberuthless' stage analysis of them all. I'm also surprised during the MK segment, they only talked about the story mode and not how the arcade mode endings are all canon.
When it comes to stories in fighting games I often prefer the ones that revolves a tournament of sorts which gets to have some characters interacting with each other and comes around revolving the main boss of the game (kinda in a way of MK9 but sorta). The 1 minor aspect I do get annoyed with is the main protagonist being something special about them that allows him/her to face/defeat the main boss. And examples of this is Ryu who has the Satsui no hadou that Bison has been seeking to have his power and Ryu overcoming it and uses it against Bison. Or Liu Kang who's destined to be the "chosen one" by his mentor Raiden and is able to defeat his enemies whether it's Shang Tsung/Shao Khan or even Kronika. For once I would rather have like an underdog that is a nobody and able to defeat the big bad with his sheer power,determination and becomes someone important in the end. Say either Johnny Cage who wants to prove himself or Luke Sullivan who's now the protagonist has nothing special about him but is somewhat relevant to the story in someways.
I can totally agree with Thorgi's judgement of BlazBlue's story being the worst. I like it for how insane and convoluted it is but objectively it's actually awful. People wanna act like Guilty Gear has an overly complicated story, but it really doesn't. BlazBlue is a mess. A glorious mess, but still a mess. Tekken has the best story in fighting games, no contest.
Man I’m so glad you guys were able to get Thorgi on here. I absolutely love his retrospectives, top notch stuff. I would have to say as far as my favorite lore I would have to go with KOF. Not because the stories themselves are mind blowing or anything, but just because I love how much depth there is to the characters, you can tell SNK really cares about the lore in their games. Characters generally have deeper stories and more personality than most other fighting games. Oh and side note: Street Fighter Alpha 2 definitely has it where you a character specific boss at the end, it’s not Bison for everyone. Off the top of my head only Rose, Charlie, Chun Li, and maybe Birdie have Bison as their boss. Alpha 3 is the only Alpha game where everyone (except Evil Ryu) fight Bison as their boss.
Mortal Kombat had the best evolve story mode that I've ever played, Street Fighter has the most convoluted storymode. But I still love both in my own way.
Mortal Kombat really hurts because I used to tout MK9 as the perfect reboot, then just two games later they decided to do it again. Like, they got me so invested in that world and then refocussed the story into packing it up and starting over again. Then I figured, they must be really dedicated to starting afresh with a brand new setting - just to actually make it about the multiverse. I know that's meant to be hype, like there's no more limits on what they can do, but to me it always feels like throwing everything at the wall because they've run out of actual ideas. Nah, just show us a world where everyone good is evil or everyone's gender is reversed, sure.
What?!?! Thorgi did a video with Maximilian Dood, justin wong and matt mcmuscles?!?! So we gonna see them on the next build the roster? Or see thorgi on what happened or the worst fighting game ever? Edit: it’s strange you guys taking about tekken and snk story modes but not mentioning soulcalibur or samurai showdown stories
Good episode. Really enjoyed it. The MvC2 stuff was kind of mind blowing to me I never considered it to have a story at all. Also, I'd like to push back a bit on Thorgi's analysis of SF6's World Tour mode. It absolutely is a story mode. You find out quite a lot about the characters and why they are in the positions they are in. And also I think the ending is actually quite a clever ending and plays into the themes of finding your fighting spirit or what strength is to you. Edit: Also, Y'all missed a FANTASTIC opportunity to talk about just how nutty the Dead or Alive story gets. Because oh boy the Dead or Alive story goes places.
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First time i've heard of Thorgi, he was a great special guest! Had a lot of great input and was hilarious, subbed. Keep up the great work gents!
You guy's should make Thorgi a regular and change the name to Technical K.O.
If u r a fighting game fan, you HAVE to follow Throgi
At last, Max meets Liquid Max
Thorgi explaining the Bloody Roar lore was my favorite thing. Justin's little "wait what" had me cracking up.
There's just something about Thorgi's voice, delivery and humour that makes me wanna watch his retrospective videos again.
Its his comic book background. It helps to tell the story thats needed to be told. I remembered when he wasn't doing that well viewership-wise as a comic book-centric channel. I'm happy he found a better income source as a fighting game retrospective-heavy channel.
He has that 'well, that JUST happened' that makes his retrospectives hard to watch sometimes but I hella agree that his cadence and tone is incredible
Honestly I didn't really like his humor style which is unfortunate because it seems like his videos are very well researched. I just I think his humor style is too cringe
Oh wow, Thorgi joins the party for this episode? Now I really have to see this episode.
You’re gonna go bananas for this episode
I listened to it
Justin Wong looking forward fighting game lore and only finding porn is hilarious
I havent seen thorgi in forever. He fits perfectly on this podcast.
I agree to that brother
"I realize I must sound like a crazy person."
-Thorgi
Ha, please... If anything, you sold me on your channel. Going to watch that Blazblue video right now.
Thorgi has THE best KOF retrospective 🎉
Hands down
KOF lore is just amazing. I've tried characters I'd never pick because I needed that team ending. And teams stories progress from game to game arc to arc. Teams break up and teams make up.
Primarily a streetfighter player. Never go online with KOF. I buy KOF just for story
One day Ryo will restore the glory of Kyokugen Karate.
I'm an indie game dev working on the art and story side of a fighting game and one of the fundamentals I've learned is that all fighting games are really mult-verse stories. Every time you beat the game with a different character it's a branching timeline.
The main storytelling tools in a fighting game outside of the canon are environmentl and worldbuilding. Needs a lot of pre prep time and an approach that favors economy.
Out of curiosity, have you played Blazblue?
@@utarefson9 I haven't, but I did watch Thorgi's BB story video multiple times.
Loved Thorgi's rant on BlazeBlue's storymode XD
i love sf6's "story" because for the actual characters it's just all like "these characters stories are basically over now this is what they're doing with their lives now" while building something up.
what kind of story is this!"here look now this guy is a martial artist now" wow what a story
@@dat1faclesdude There is more to it than that, the player character gets involved with a lot of subplots that give you a glimpse at the state of the world post-Shadaloo, and you get insight on the new overarching villain. Also, some of the veteran fighters' stories are clearly not over yet (i.e. Ken). SF6's story has a lot of setup for future games.
Sad there was no mention of Soulcalibur. I think it has some excellent lore.
It’s wierd that all the sword fighting games not mentioned.
Especially because tekken and snk mentioned a lot but no soulcalibur or samurai showdown.
@@BensyBensthey probably don't know the actual lore, and some of that lore was so mid they had to reset it in SC6
Yeah, Siegfried/Nightmare had a lot of interesting moments and character development.
Considering Virtua Fighter as a whole and Bloody Roar 4 (not the series, just this specific entry) are treated as punchlines, the fact that Soulcalibur didn't even cross their minds is a little depressing, especially since it's been about 4-5 years since the last one (if you count any DLC or updates).
No SC talk is literally weird, they should make an addendum video just for it.
This video is love! I can firmly say that Matt and Thorgi's lore deep dives are what got me obsessed with SNK (and much more in love with fighting games), so happy to see you both here nerding out! Thank you for what you do.
1:24:48 I love this whole exchange where Matt is describing how you unlock more story trough difficulties in Weaponlord, Justin is like "Oh, that's interesting" and Matt is like "NO FUCK JAMES FOR DOING THAT"
Virtua Fighter lore is actually super interesting when experienced outside of the context of the games themselves.
Did you know Kage has won the most tournaments? Because he keeps trying to find his mom who was kidnapped by the evil organization running it. Who was the base for Dural. Or got turned into Dural? There's multiple Durals.
Across their franchises, SNK are arguably the best with lore, from The Last Blade to even making you really care with a theoretical crossover franchise like KOF. Hope they get back to putting that front and center in City of the Wolves.
Personally, Guilty Gear wins my vote for actually reaching a conclusion where its main character settles down with a romantic partner (who happens to be another fighter) and, seemingly, lives happily and retired from his adventures.
Favorite comment, especially naming Last Blade. I hope one day it gets a reboot and also echo the CotW turning out amazingly well
@@ultraspinalki11Guilty Gear’s lore is too convoluted in my opinion, especially in later games. KOF is more concise with their lore, it’s still detailed but not to the point of going overboard.
@@orlanzo2621 If you find Guilty Gear's lore convoluted, you don't EVER want to even glimpse at Blazblue's.
Guilty Gear can at least be followed and understood in a chronological manner in comparison to the timetravel mess that is Blazblue. I lost all interest in following it after the first two versions of the game. Gameplay is tight though.
@@ultraspinalki11 Oh yea trust me i know, lol. I've played Blazblue since Calamity Trigger, the story is all over the place, it's a mess, i stopped caring about the lore a long time ago.
Darkstalkers has underrated lore. For their technically 5 game releases, every character goes on some kind of arc through all of them. Donovan in particualar has a wild storyline that perfectly sets up for a sequel if Capcom ever pulls the trigger.
Donovan probably has the best "devil within" storyline in fighting games, especially since his makes sense on two fronts with him being a half vampire.
Absolutely agreed! Darkstalkers is such a beautiful property that is underrated. I really wanted to see where the story went after 3, like you said, so many characters went through an arc and I wanted that to continue.
So happy to see Thorgi on this episode!! The guy deserves the recognition for all the work he puts into his awesome videos.
I've always admired in Tekken 4 how nearly all the cast have good reasons for going into the tournament. Bryan needs to find a way to charge his power cell, or he'll die, Paul is out to prove that he won the Tekken 3 tournament but was robbed, Steve is on the run from the mafia for not throwing a boxing match.
That's pretty much why I think Tekken 4's got the best story in the whole series. It does a good job showing just how important the personal stakes are for everyone.
Thorgi's with the big boys now! Great job, dude!
Even wilder if people remembered the comic book channel days.
Omg, the crossover I thought would never happen! My two favorite gaming channels in one!
My 5 favorite in 1!
I want Darkstalkers to fuse together with Devil May Cry to give Capcom a reason to make a new Darkstalkers without making it a huge financial risk. Would ofc be really cool too to see Dante and co in a proper fighting game.
So cool to see Thorgi on here! I would pay actual money to see you guys come together and Build a Roster. I don’t even care what it is, just please do it!
I'm happy to see Thorgi in this episode 😊
Shoutout to Subspace Emissary that story mode blew my 9 year ago mind! Mario, Pit, Link, Yoshi and Kirby teaming up to chase down King Dedede also Solid Snake, Lucario and Meta Knight teaming up to get back Meta Knight's Halberd. Good fucking times. The person who did that story was Kazushige Nojima who worked on FF7 and Kingdom Heart's story.
Thorgi !!!! Yesss ! One of the best guests you can invite here ! Well done guys!!
Without a doubt my favorite story in fighting games is Soulcalibur, I absolutely love everything from edge/blade- the end of 3, 4 and 5 meander quite a lot, but I was really enjoying what they were doing with 6 and looking forward to what would come next (which unfortunately most likely won’t happen)
In Particular, Siegfried’s story is one of my favorites in all of video games, from cocky pretty boy to tortured hero trying to atone for all he’s done, knowing he will never fully forgive himself…. Just badass
I was shocked they didn’t have a section on this, since Edge Master mode basically created and perfected fighting game story modes in one go, at least as far as the tech of the time would allow.
Considering the story is so close to SC1, I was suprised they didn't just reboot it with 6 and just call it SC1. At the very least, that would have gotten them more sales. Now the series might be dead for like a decade.
Have Thorgi on more often! He fit so well with you guys!!
I don't know. He's definitely no professional player. But... maybe you're right, maybe we need the opinion of an amateur too.
Been waiting for Thorgi to appear on this podcast especially with all of his fighting game knowledge 👏🏻👏🏻
Blazblue story will also have a special place in my heart, but I am surprised Soul Calibur hasnt been brought up more. Seigfried's multiple game arc, the several interconnected stories and relationships, the rivalries...its so underrated
1:20:35 Skorpion: "Kabal!! You did put dumb red costume on to try to deceive me? Prepare to fight".
Bitch, that's The Flash!!
Glad more people are getting introduced to Thorgi. Seems like a genuinely good guy, and puts out quality work that you know he put 110% in. So happy for you, Thorgi!
Happy new year to the Triple K.O. team, and to all of my fellow fans of fighting games.
"GET READY FOR THE NEXT BATTLE"...
Great seeing Thorgi huest here and fittingly with FG stories and lore. I'm definitely knee deep in that SNK lore too for KoF and I agree with Thorgi in the backstory of characters bei it design and gameplay can really hook you into a franchise. For me it was Kyo Kusanagi's design and then finding out his gameplay change to rekkas was actually central to the story that opened me up into KoF lore.
27:25 So you mean to tell me that one night, Ganryu decided to listen to Gin and Juice before going to bed, and that's how we ended up getting a Snoop Dogg stage in Tag 2?
X-Men vs Street Fighter's story was that Apocalypse was abducting both mutants and street fighters while Bison and Magneto are trying world domination stuff, so the Street Fighters and X-Men team up to stop them.
If you guys can do a 'real' Build the Roster video with Thorgi, do a Capcom All-Stars fighting game roster!
I'd be down for a live build the roster with these guys if they have the time.
@@dnmstarsi Me too, it would show that these guys are Capcom fanatics, they would go on hours just figuring out what characters, stages, bosses, and what type of story mode would look like.
@@JonathanGruber-uh4fd Plus it also shows that they have an audience that would waste their time hearing what these guys' ideal roster for whatever game they had in mind. Heck, I'm still wishing for Thorgi's Injustice 3 dream skin options and fanfic given his ideas for that game.
@@dnmstarsi Well for me I hope in the end of January, Thorgi hopefully does a Smash Build the Roster and I hope he does Capcom (there's 89 characters in SSBU, so Thorgi has to pick 82 characters & 7 Echo Fighters, and hopefully does not include guest characters).
@@JonathanGruber-uh4fd Honestly, for a Smash roster, I have multiple ideas for rosters that I can't decide which one should be cover first: (Capcom, Disney, Cartoon Network since that idea deserves another chance)
That being said, I'd be down for Capcom Smash Evolution (title needs work even for a reference) even if we went the Sega route and did it as "what if Sakurai made Smash Bros for Capcom?" And I have my ideal roster for this game.
I'm so happy that lore-master Thorgi found his way to Triple KO! I remember requesting him as a guest after you guys had your first guest. Anyway, the conversation in this one did not disappoint! In terms of my favorite story and most-cohesive, both would go to Tekken for me. And I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see ya'll build a roster. Another comment mentioned Capcom All-Stars, and I think that is the best idea.
As for my next guest request, Frank (Joseph) Yagami!
Max's point about kof fans attachment to specific character arcs is so true and for me it's that way with tekken . I love King's story throughout the games
Glad to see Thorgi on here, dude's easily one of my favorite guys on UA-cam. For my money, even with the retcons and flaws, the MK/Injustice games are the best in terms of plot. Between the story modes, the vast number of character interactions, and the movies, they've really done a lot to flesh out the characters and make me care about 'em. Soulcalibur VI also deserves a good mention for giving everyone in the roster their own canonical adventures during the story mode.
Tekken used to be high on my list, until T6 made my boy Jin a war-mongering idiot. That, and the side characters getting increasingly shafted from T5 onwards. But I do like how the Bloodline cartoon handled everyone, that was cool. Fighting games as a whole could benefit from having more movies and TV shows.
I am one of the watchers who is "pissed" for not having anything mentioned about the Dead or Alive series.
Dead or Alive: Dimensions on 3ds story mode was a nice recap of DOA 1 through 4.
Would be kool if all 4 of these dudes would make a dream MVC4 roster that they all can agree on
Awesome to have Thorgi on Triple KO :D
ive been binging Thorgi videos for the last few weeks! so good to see him here!
Stoked to see Thorgi join you guys for a chat. Dude absolutely knows his shit, and his content is top quality. Good stuff!
Rival schools and Project Justice had the best story mode in all of fighting games
I loved those games so much as a kid.
Those games are charming and great.
Not just the best story mode
This is capcom best fighting game franchise in my opinion
I would love if Capcom can revive the series as Persona like game but as a fighting game rather than turn based
@@anmoldembla4743 IIRC they actually did that (a School Life mode where you slowly build your custom character over the course of an in-game school year) with the evolution disc for the PS1 port of Rival Schools, though that was Japan only.
Apparently people liked it so much that Capcom released an standalone expansion / Ver.2 of the evolution disc which added a couple of extra characters, among others.
Project Justice also had a custom character feature, but it's School Life mode is instead a Mario Party clone. It's faster paced, but it's just not the same.
Though if they were to revive the series they can use SF6's World Tour as a basis for it's School Life mode.
Thorgi being on here is so damn cool ❤
Awesome that thorgi is here. Love his channel
Yes you guys got thorgi! I’ll forgive the misspelling of his name in the beginning 😂
Fun fact about early Marvel games: The JPN endings and manuals XvSF and MSHvSF seem to confirm the games take place in a Marvel Universe where the SF characters simply also exist. As there's seemingly no mention of worlds colliding, and even some nods to continuity such as Cyclops acknowledging teaming up with Ryu for a 2nd time in MSHvSF. Personally, I think there's 4 distinct continuities in MvC but that's a whole other can 'o worms lol.
The "Marvel VS Capcom" series has its own official designated Number within the Marvel Universe: "Earth-30847". The events of "Marvel VS Capcom Infinite" might muddy things up a bit, though, what with their forced and irreversible merging of "worlds" due to Ultron Sigma.
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Now that I think about it, Captain America's MvC1 ending is the closest to imply their worlds are separate. While the phrasing leaves it up in the air ("With Onslaught's demise, you may return home now."), he is addressing the Capcom cast and summing up the plot (Professor X called out to the heroes to stop Onslaught, and everyone in MvC1 answered the call), so...there's that.
It's makes me so happy seeing Thorgi with y'all! Epic
Virtua Fighter, like Dead or Alive, has that mysterious-organization-acting-in-the-background trope. This same organization brainwashed Sarah was the same who kidnapped Kage's mother, later to be revealed as Dural, that metallic boss lady that is fought at the end of the arcade ladder. It is true that the entire cast of VF has personal stories revolving around the main plot and Lau and Pai's are among the ones that are intriguing to me.
Sounds like Justin found a Marvel vs Capcom 「同人誌」doujinshi or fanzine...with a side of hentai.
As I understand, J6 (the "mysterious-organization-acting-in-the-background" in VF) is collecting data from the world's greatest martial artists in order to build the perfect super soldier that they will then sell to the highest bidder. The various twists and turns therein then come from someone getting too close to figuring out what they're doing (which, I think, is what happens to Sara and later Vanessa).
I believe DoA does the same thing, but it's a lot more straightforward in VF. Plus Dural could spank any version of Alpha any day of the week.
I've always felt like, since DOA originally spun out of(*cough--ripped off) Virtua Fighter 2, a potential cross over could be set up with DOA Tech either being part of, or in competition against J6, with the Dural and Alpha projects vying for some kind of military something. Kage and Ryu Hayabusa could also be like secret rivals...or sneak in Joe Musashi of Shinobi, cuz why not?
@@JSRLPadre Tekken is actually more a VF-inspired fighter. I believe Harada has claimed as such. Arguably, one can say that VF is the progenitor of all 3D-fighters. Given the time it came out, Sega was truly ahead of the times with this franchise, which is something that can be said about many of their franchises upon their respective releases.
Fun Fact: DOA and Virtua Fighter have already had a crossover: Akira, Sarah, Pai, and Jacky (?) were guest characters in DOA 5.
@@DanteMasaru DOA 1 was built on the same board as VF2, and played mostly the same, except for the then experimental stuff Itegaki did with the block button. DOA 3 was probably the first time DOA really developed a distinct identity, in my opinion. And DOA 5 is not a true crossover in my mind, since they only cherry picked the VF roster(and not even my actual favorite characters), rather than bringing in everybody. That's like saying Tekken 7 is as much a crossover as SF X Tekken. But then, I'm probably just being elitist or something.
@@JSRLPadre Opinions are one thing, but there's also fact: Harada did say Tekken was inspired by Virtua Fighter. I don't deny that Dead or Alive was inspired by VF (see previous comment), but DOA using the same arcade board as VF (if that's really true) doesn't exactly speak of "inspiration" , but rather technology just being shared. I mean, Unreal Engine is a game engine used by many developers nowadays (see Tekken 7and 8).
Having select characters from VF does not dilute the fact that it is still a crossover. Mai Shiranui also was playable in DOA and was the only KOF character to do so, if I'm not mistaken, but still a crossover nonetheless. Many often ask, "Where's Bandai Namco's version of SFxTK?" The answer to that is Tekken 7's Akuma's guest appearance. Granted, that's just speculation on my part, but it's a safe one at this point.
I'm so sad that they didn't take Jim Zub's advice to make a MvCI comic. :(
Thorgi! I love this man's channel!
Voicing support of you all doing a "build the roster" episode.
Nice to see another episode that's just a deep dive on a topic instead of just talking about current news, I fell off when thing started focusing on just going through headlines and covering game/dlc launches.
1:04:09 yep, there's no way they'd ever bring Heihachi back again...
I would definitely take a course on fighting game lore from Professor Thorgi!
Thorgi deserves so much more love. His content is amazing.
Great episode! Fighting game lore is just so cool and fascinating and seeing you guys tackle this subject was both interesting and informative.
Absolutely amazing pod. Everyone was on it today and hilarious. Thorgi was a great guest and knows so much, and so humble too. Definitely got me to subscribe!
I only got into fighting games last year and for sure the final nail in the coffin for me was watching story breakdowns like thorgis and seeing the awesome stories and characters some of these games have!
So awesome to see Thorgi on here. He's my favorite.
But I absolutely love Darkstalkers because of what was said at the end, the characters have so much story that the gameplay doesn't even matter. Yet it's still so good. My only disappointment in this one was that Soul Calibur wasn't mentioned. That story fascinates me.
This was the best episode in a min i loved this convo 🥰
The guest speaks like Max but in a deeper voice lol
Invite Thorgi again! This has been one of my favorite episodes
KOF definitely has my favorite fighting game story. Tekken is my second favorite.
1:15:35 There was a mode in UMVC3 called Heroes and Heralds. It was a battle between good and evil each week. Players fought npc's with power-ups iirc. That was a cool game mode.
Loved this. Maybe at some point do a part 2 that talks about Soul Calibur, SS, and some of the weirder/lesser games.
Man, Thorgi was a big get for this show. Loving it!
Thanks for this amazing content Matt, Max, Justin and Thiorgi!! ❤️
Man Thorgi's voice is so damn epic i love it 😂
It seems like Justin is never home. A real globetrotter
Ah ,ah , he's a "World Warrior" 😉
Love Thorgi's videos! He deserves way more spotlight for his work and contributions to the FG!
Thorgi is perfect for the pod. Dream collab.
Thorgi is amazing! He should appear more often!
I enjoyed this episode so much and you guys def have to bring Thorgi back on again
I didn't know who Thorgi was but now i'm interested! I love lore in any game!
Bless you Thorgi, I love seeing that passion and totally not biased because I'm a KOF character/lore lover too at all. Nice to see him in this one, it was really fun!
you guys should do one episode for each franchises' lore. There's so much to talk about MK, for instance.
I genuinely love fighting game lore and story, with my favorite part is what is canon in the next game.
Speaking of the MvC2 story, I think what helped me kinda understand what was going on was Baberuthless' stage analysis of them all.
I'm also surprised during the MK segment, they only talked about the story mode and not how the arcade mode endings are all canon.
When it comes to stories in fighting games I often prefer the ones that revolves a tournament of sorts which gets to have some characters interacting with each other and comes around revolving the main boss of the game (kinda in a way of MK9 but sorta). The 1 minor aspect I do get annoyed with is the main protagonist being something special about them that allows him/her to face/defeat the main boss.
And examples of this is Ryu who has the Satsui no hadou that Bison has been seeking to have his power and Ryu overcoming it and uses it against Bison. Or Liu Kang who's destined to be the "chosen one" by his mentor Raiden and is able to defeat his enemies whether it's Shang Tsung/Shao Khan or even Kronika.
For once I would rather have like an underdog that is a nobody and able to defeat the big bad with his sheer power,determination and becomes someone important in the end. Say either Johnny Cage who wants to prove himself or Luke Sullivan who's now the protagonist has nothing special about him but is somewhat relevant to the story in someways.
I can totally agree with Thorgi's judgement of BlazBlue's story being the worst. I like it for how insane and convoluted it is but objectively it's actually awful. People wanna act like Guilty Gear has an overly complicated story, but it really doesn't. BlazBlue is a mess. A glorious mess, but still a mess.
Tekken has the best story in fighting games, no contest.
Does anyone actually know what the Marvel 2 comic Justin was talking about is called? Couldn't find it... I need the sauce.
Man I’m so glad you guys were able to get Thorgi on here. I absolutely love his retrospectives, top notch stuff.
I would have to say as far as my favorite lore I would have to go with KOF. Not because the stories themselves are mind blowing or anything, but just because I love how much depth there is to the characters, you can tell SNK really cares about the lore in their games. Characters generally have deeper stories and more personality than most other fighting games.
Oh and side note: Street Fighter Alpha 2 definitely has it where you a character specific boss at the end, it’s not Bison for everyone. Off the top of my head only Rose, Charlie, Chun Li, and maybe Birdie have Bison as their boss. Alpha 3 is the only Alpha game where everyone (except Evil Ryu) fight Bison as their boss.
Mortal Kombat had the best evolve story mode that I've ever played, Street Fighter has the most convoluted storymode. But I still love both in my own way.
Oh snap , haven't seen Thorgi since his crossovers with comics podcasts back in the day. Shoutout to ComicPop. Cool
I love that everyone appreciates the consistency and craziness of the Tekken story.
I'm so happy to see Thorgi on the podcast. One of my favorite fighting game channels ever.
Mortal Kombat really hurts because I used to tout MK9 as the perfect reboot, then just two games later they decided to do it again. Like, they got me so invested in that world and then refocussed the story into packing it up and starting over again. Then I figured, they must be really dedicated to starting afresh with a brand new setting - just to actually make it about the multiverse.
I know that's meant to be hype, like there's no more limits on what they can do, but to me it always feels like throwing everything at the wall because they've run out of actual ideas. Nah, just show us a world where everyone good is evil or everyone's gender is reversed, sure.
What?!?! Thorgi did a video with Maximilian Dood, justin wong and matt mcmuscles?!?!
So we gonna see them on the next build the roster? Or see thorgi on what happened or the worst fighting game ever?
Edit: it’s strange you guys taking about tekken and snk story modes but not mentioning soulcalibur or samurai showdown stories
I haven’t watched yet, but Thorgi is an EXCELLENT guest to have on this show! Can’t wait to listen to it
Omg I thought all of last year how nice it'd be to include Thorgi, I'm so happy to see him here this year yay
And indeed Thorgi's retrospectives are boss
Good episode. Really enjoyed it. The MvC2 stuff was kind of mind blowing to me I never considered it to have a story at all. Also, I'd like to push back a bit on Thorgi's analysis of SF6's World Tour mode. It absolutely is a story mode. You find out quite a lot about the characters and why they are in the positions they are in. And also I think the ending is actually quite a clever ending and plays into the themes of finding your fighting spirit or what strength is to you.
Edit: Also, Y'all missed a FANTASTIC opportunity to talk about just how nutty the Dead or Alive story gets. Because oh boy the Dead or Alive story goes places.
bloody roar primal fury/Bloody Roar Extreme is connected to the other games with a manga crossover the protagonist of the manga was made Fang.
I’ve recently gotten into SNK, and the lore, characters and stories are up there with MK, Tekken and Guilty Gear for me.
this is my FGC Mount Rushmore
It's damn awesome to have Thorgi on here. his Build The Roster and Retrospective series are excellent 😄
Blazblue's story is one of my favorite stories and weird enough it makes complete sense to me (No I'm not joking about that).