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Kai Cenat saying Black culture doesnt exist while capitalizing on some major parts of it is a perfect example of the sterilization of blackness in internet media aside from hyperbolic or stereotypical tropes
it was crazy he said that. actually a deep dive needs to be done into how similar NY culture and London** culture are because they talk the same way when it comes to Blackness. For some reason they identify more with the places their families immigrated from than with the shared Black culture they made in the places they're at
Not surprising when you see who he's talking with
Kai stated black Americans don’t have a culture which is disappointing
@@miatomi That reason is the fact that the American fixation on race is rather unique to the United States. Aside from South Africa and Japan, there's not a single country on modern-day Earth that defines culture by race to the same extent that the United States does. The US is the only country that regards race and culture as determinant on eachother. It's all thanks to slavery, Jim Crow and white Americans' sense of rootlessness through colonial disconnection from their ancestral cultures. White Americans gave up their individual cultural identities so they could unite under "whiteness" to be above black and red Americans.
Meanwhile, a black Swede is a Swede. No white Swede who's ever had black friends is going to call her an "Afro-Swede".
Some people identify more with their culture than with their race because their culture matters more to them, and because they don't define culture by race. A Haitian has more in common with Haitians than she does with some black New Yorker. Just as I as a white Swede have more in common with a black Swede than I do with a white Minnesotan.
@@miatomi i mean i can only speak for Londoners, when i say that its also down to blacks here becoming more connected to our roots back home because of economic developments, increasing influence of Western culture and the rise of afrobeats over the last 12-14 years making travelling and living back home more attractive than ever. In the 90s the opposite was true, because we'd often go by the adverts we saw on tv highlighting poverty and often shit on the idea of living back home. There was a literal running gag of many West Africans identifying as Carribean/Jamaican out of shame before the late 2000s or so (like what Kofi Kingston did in his early days as a wrestler before later revealing he was Ghanaian).
subtle marriage flex at the beginning
He ain't slick 😂
I'm punching the air
No lie!
Not very subtle I must say
marriage is never a flex post-1950s 🤣
Shoutout to RDC for finding a balance.
Fr they should be bigger
And Berleezy
Can't even begint o fathom just how impactful/influential RDC has been, not just for black boys, but young black kids in general.
And Cory
I usually hate this type of content. But RDC and Berleezy are amazing and make me excited to see their content.
The thing about people like speed representing black men is so real. I had an international student as a dorm mat last year from india, and a few days in he said to me " You are so much quieter than I expected you to be, I thought youd be more like i show speed or something" which was wild. like these casual stereotypes happen all the time, but this was so much more blatant, and shows how we are represented internationally.
Cam, i would have asked . wow you sound so much like a Apu from the Singhsons. that usually clips their wings. indians have a caste system back home and the ones you dealt with went through the caucasian filter since they top tier casted.
@@PHlophe Brother what, you're acting like it was an insult that demands a clapback lmfao. Don't be so insecure
@@fronhank is an insult and it is infantilizing. firing a firm shot puts the person that crosses the mark on notice. they usually have zero grasp of hints
@@PHlophe It's ignorance coming from an immigrant who honestly voiced something he learned about the world. That's not the same as an insult, just because you feel insulted. Firing back out of spite is childish
Shit, an indian guy saying this? Makes sense.
I half-jokingly thought during the intro "maybe real progress is Black people getting to be clowns without any of us having to worry about it reflecting on the entire race." Then by the end I realized, as much as Speed's content isn't my thing, I wasn't really joking.
Peace and justice has come when a person of a minority group can fail or act stupid or silly and the only person it reflects on is them
that's some real shit
No bull. Like in a world without racism their actions would be no different from an all black world. Remember Hits from the Street? That was basically Tom Green on BET. It’s unfortunate we have to consider it a minstrel show with them learning to act out as comedians but because the world is what it is, it’s hard for me to look at it otherwise in some cases knowing what the audience is.
I feel like this man has been 19 for a decade now idk.
Lmao he’s just be a content creator since he was like 15-16 literally.
He was underaged before
he’s like Jayson Tatum
Because he constantly and consistently makes the news for coonery
There's something to be said about the adultification of black kids here
RDC is so locked in its ridiculous. No buffoonery or controversies
Facts bruh. No shade to Kai and the rest of these guys they’re prob set for life but rdc are the ones that will still be at the top 10 years from now.
@@themarathoncontinues1 exactly
@@themarathoncontinues1 RDC are so cool and genuinely good people, I got to meet them at last years con and it was so refreshing.
RDC is the real culture thats why
They're serious about they're comedy in a classic sense. They're low budget SNL, and I mean that respectfully.
Can't believe we went from rap beef and US elections to Speed within a week
thats not a good thing.. this channel all over the place 😭
I think that is the problem. If a white guy acts loud and foolish, no one thinks about his race or identity. It is just one person. But if a black person does it, people associate a whole group of people with that. That is why I don't like when I see these types of vidoes or news. The comments and reactions are just depressing.
It's mostly because of context. Of American history, coonery, the internet. The more you know the more fucked up it feels.
That's respectability politics for you
The difference is whether they are loud foolish and wrong , or loud foolish and right
Also speed uses his race for his comedy a lot
i thought the sane thing
3:10 they’re the token black friend for kids who otherwise don’t have one. Parasocial relationships are the bulk of relationships for zoomers and alpha. Watching their streams is hanging out with their cool friend, or paying them to dance from the bitter rather than longing for angle. I hear GenA kids talk about Kai and speed like they hang out with them everyday because they literally spend more time with the streamers than any other human. Hour with a teacher here, hour with friends, hour with family, then inbetween, before and after all that is watching streams or their clips or chatting in discords about them.
none of that is unique to them though, same happened with zillenials too.
Ronald Regan was literally elected on the power of his parasocial relationships
@@LilFeralGangrel the percentages are way off for them though. It literally was not possible to have this much time affirming a parasocial relationship before. Gossip mags and shows a few hours a week total, and no $5 direct contact. Even celebrity social media presence just a few posts a day.
Zillenials also have about half a lifetime with offline being the focus, zoomers and alpha do not. Esp with the last few years gen alpha came of age hyper digitally so orienting their lives around online more than ever
@@JStackfully agree with this take kids have more time now to watch these streamers and UA-camrs now compared to me where I still went and waited for the next vanoss, smosh, pewdiepie (or whatever og UA-camr I was watching at the time) but I didn’t do it to the same degree as kids nowadays
Took the words right out of my mouth about them being the token Black friend
I think you comparing Adin Ross to Kai is an insult to Kai. Adin Ross rode the hype wave of a lot of different people like Speed, Zias and Blou and Andrew Tate. He has nothing about him that is entertaining and his only original content are middle school type gay jokes.
Yeah, no. Adin is just out here being actively harmful going back years. Being apolitical does not compare.
They the same I see no difference
@@deeshotcha2250you are unable to see nuance in performance. Not to be pretentious but it is what it is. They are performers first. Adin is a poor performer who is past his day and latches onto other popular figures as a form of lifeguarding so he stays in the current pop culture lens. Kai and more applicably to speed is there own lifeboat. Almost perfect performance along with a likable personality that enters the light between acts. Your inability to understand the difference does not mean it does not exist.
@@goodmanlui877 they all clout chaser getting clout for others it’s not that deep lol
Adin Ross is a professional little brother. The way his self deprecating, childish persona garners so much attention is so typical 15:26
Thing about Speed is I'd like to say I don't get the appeal, but I do. It's not for me, but I 100% understand why younger kids fw him
I want to hate him, but he reminds me of my dumb friends in high school that always got us in trouble:
Watching him is almost nostalgic for me
@@badlydrawncars6460why would you want to hate him ?
4 mins into the video and I would like to recant my previous question🫡
Lmao!!! I’m 3:38 WHILE I WAS ACTIVELY READING THE LAST COMMENT HERE & Speed is sliding around on the damn ground barking at a dog! “Get yo dumb ass up boy!!!!” I yelled at the screen. 😢
@@badlydrawncars6460u want to hate him? Why would you want to hate someone?
“You just look regular crusty”
This is marriage in a nutshell
I rewinded it multiple times and I didn't catch the "crusty" part but English ain't my first language so Idk.
@@wedontagelikemilktho.7839 english is my first language. unless something's very wrong with my hearing prematurely she definitely only said "you just look regular'
Jesters will do jester things, as is tradition for thousands of years.
Underrated comment.
Underrated comment.
Holy shit, yeah...
🙏🏾🔥
I remember there was one Jester, Triboulet, who got out of a death sentence because he was asked how he wanted to die. He said "I'd like to die of old age"
Tom Green and iShowSpeed connection is brilliant ngl...
I know, I never thought of that, but as soon as I saw him in the video, I was like,... yeah, that's right. It's kinda on us, too.
I’ll come around on speed when he makes something as genius as Freddy Got Fingered
it really does all come back to Kaufman
I can see iSS getting 2 women "being intimate" air brushed on the family car then leaving it in the garage for his parents to find before their commute, then if they take another form of transportation to work, showing up in the painted car at their workplace to pick them up. Filming the whole thing from the garage to pickup reaction.
I think that was from TG's Ontario public tv show, the clip's on YT.
"Daddy would you like some sausage?"
11:55 That's so dang wholesome, iSS's grin is clearly genuine. Shoutout to "Free Palestine".
I was shocked when I learned he's been yelling free palestine on his streams since he was like 16
Physical humor is an underappreciated art
Actually one of the main reasons I loved shows like Ed edd n eddy growing up 😂
It is also nuanced and of course different reactions from different tastes. For example I’m not into slapstick humor. I like a more thoughtful or cerebral humor.
People will call Speed a clown but you’ll be hard pressed to find anyone calling Marlon Wayans a clown. Marlon definitely used physical comedy to its highest degree and no one claims his material is immature or childish
@@BoiTrey725Marlon also had a family to guide him though the comedy scene.
Some of Marlon’s funniest movies was the ones directed by Keenen he bought order the silliness & over the top humor. Overtime he come into his own.
(I’m not speed audience too old) It looks like Speed is trying to do soft rebrand. Hopefully he got some good people around to guide him.
@@BoiTrey725Hm. I think you’re attributing clownery with a negative connotation. Which isn’t necessarily the truth, as quite a few actors and performers regard clowns pretty highly- clowns have to sell cartoonish behaviours in real world scenarios. It’s difficult to play it right off the cuff and even more so to have a niche audience with it.
While I think it’s good he seems to be growing and changing, as a woman, I still don’t like him because of all the really violent awful things he’s said to girls/women. I know he said that stuff when he was a younger teen, but I’m the same age as him, so I feel like I have a right to judge him for that shit. Obviously he’s still young and has so much time to evolve as a person, but for now I still don’t like him very much.
That's super valid. I think that's a completely valid reason to dislike someone.
I feel the same way. I find it very strange that people are adamant on emphasizing that he was 16 when he threatened that one woman. I understand where they’re coming from, but I just don’t think being 16 is an excuse. I have heard that he apologized, but I have not found an apology addressing the incident anywhere. I’m glad he has grown and changed, but at the end of the day I just don’t like him either.
Completely agree, feels like there's a bit of a "boys will be boys" attitude to it, and I don't think that's acceptable
@rganz2609 he didn't threaten anyone, are you off your rocker? If you're referring to the time he said "who's gonna stop me?" it was CLEARLY meant to be for shock value, and I can guarantee that you likely don't even know the context of the video. I find it problematic to see people speaking and half guessing on things they have no clue about
@@NoRockinMansLand Arguing over whether his statement was genuine or not doesn’t excuse it (in my opinion). Screaming at someone that you could hurt them if you wanted to, in a hypothetical situation is a weird thing to defend.
FD calling his sworn enemy, Lil Bill, part of his peers is character development
They aren’t beefing. SMH.
@@distinctlydri2831 ... you do realize shadowed was playing into the joke?
@@distinctlydri2831
Nonsense,
They are eternal rivals.
@@LoopyLemon775 One of these days they will invent the reincarnation cycle just so that their beef can extend into the next lives as well.
DOECHII BOOMBAP BEAT IS HEAVENLY
Yo, I was like wow come on Unc with the Doechii!!!!!
@@Intentionalz TDE is the label that keeps giving
@@LKsai4D4 Doechii is with TDE?? Never knew that, wow.
she's on a crazy run lowkey
@@daughterofAthene yep!! shoutout TDE for not letting underrated talent go underrated
a grown man in a full outfit barking back at a dog on all fours before IMMEDIATELY standing up and acting like nothing happened was fucking hilarious.
removed “objectively” because yall seem to care a lot that i thought it was funny.
Not when that same man does it for 5 years
@@JaKingScomezThat same man is also still a teenager. He's been doing it for a while bc he was literally still a kid fjfjfj
@@parentalonion6552 yup same age as me still twerking and barking. You can tell he dont like doing it either 🤷🏽♂️
@@JaKingScomez Also the same age as myself, I act bombastically for fun. Because it is funny.
lies, i dont think its funny, i think its annoying
“Be nice to the babies” 😂😂😂 I often think this at work when dealing with my younger coworkers, well said
Rachel, me too. a burgeoning Ingenue Karen that i had to scold when she shared a communication with half of the company . A little indiscrete heffa . i am nicer to the babies but i don't do stoopid especially when i remember NOT trying foolish stunts when i was her age.
its them girls that are reading a Resume with the attention span of a tiki tok video. that'll learn.
The problem is, sure, he isn't super insulting, but he's so condescending, this won't land to anyone he hopes it does. They'll think he's a pretentious a hole. Because he is pretty much is. And doesn't hide it well. FD pretending he's "in recovery" from the black excellence population he talks about is pure delusion. He personifies that type of person, maybe more than anyone I've seen.
@@michaelturley8222As a Brit massive agree, I love FD but as someone who’s is outside the American conversation he comes across as really condescending. I agree with all his points but he is absolutely preaching to the choir
I don’t think the Adin Ross comparisons are appropriate as he is anything but apolitical. Adin’s involvement in politics is fundamental to his current online presence. Over the past few years, Adin’s content gravitated towards anti-wokeness, and he serves as a beacon of ideas from people like Trump and Tate for youth. In his situation, hosting Donald Trump is what his audience wants to see, and will bring in viewers who would be interested in what he does. I don’t think it’s the same for Kai and Harris because Harris isn’t at all representative of what Kai’s stream is. And if she were to ask someone like Speed instead, Harris is a polarizing figure amongst youth who lean significantly more left than the democratic party especially on issues like Israel.
I agree
I agree too
I think a more 1 to 1 comparison would be IShowSpeed & KSI. If you’re unfamiliar with KSI, he essentially blew up the same exact way as Speed and became the biggest black youtuber globally by being a very eccentric, edgy, minstrel character that would make fun of his own blackness and heritage as part of his content since the age of 16 at the end of the 2000s/early 2010s (his older stuff is crazy and would never last today lol).
This makes more sense when you learn he went to a private school in England where he was one of the only black students in his entire school.
He was part of the upcoming OG UA-camrs in the 2010s and so building a career off of this type of content was definitely new and hilarious to edgelords (me included even though I was like 12 lmao).
As years have gone on and he’s gotten older he’s toned it down to the point that his non black fans always beg him to “bring back old KSI”, but to this day his humour still centres around humiliating himself and his culture for non black people; it’s also the reason why anytime he does a “Discord 1 Question Go” type of video he’s called the N word and other slurs at least 5 times by European sounding boys (supposedly his biggest fans) while he laughs it off lol.
He still gets criticised for it to this day by the Black British community because like you said FD, he unfairly became a representative of all black people in the UK with his antics & there’s numerous podcasts out there that discuss how the impact of his content affected their day to day lives in predominantly white spaces. Not to mention his lack of commentary on black issues in the UK that he could use his massive platform to speak more on, or his video on his thoughts about being labelled a coon that he made in like 2014/15 (I think) that was VERY cringe lol.
Speed will probably grow out of this just like KSI did but seeing him name his dogs and cats “Nigga” and “Slave” and telling white people to call them that just reminds me of old KSI immediately lmao.
But as always, a great video FD and I feel the same for the most part🫡
great insights brother
As a black and former KSI viewer when I was like 10-12, I definitely see these exact similarities with the examples you mentioned. Though I don’t view ishowspeeds content and I avoid it like the plague.
That is what he was known for? I mainly knew him, because my brother was (kinda still is) really into FIFA and he was one of the people he watched back then.
@@batuhanbolat5656 I should have specified that that was a PART of his content but not entirely. But yes if you watch a lot of his older stuff, it was a mixture of wholesome family vibes & video games, skits of him eating fried chicken and watermelon in gross ways (probably got inspo from Filthy Frank if you know who that is), making r*pe jokes (that he knew to stop doing a long time before cancel culture luckily lol) and just in general dumb public antics just like Speed but in the UK. It was a mixed bag of all of those things.
I'd recommend anyone to look into 'Sidemen' which you could say is a diverse group of youtubers he's a part of, because there's a south Asian youtuber too. One of his biggest controversies was during covid when he used a racial slur, p*** towards south Asians for some game that was used by racists especially when they did p*** bashing which my mum and her family remember being victims of as kids as British South Asians from racists - and the south Asian youtuber just laughed when he said it in the game with people who aren't south Asian which also got him a lot of criticism. But what's also interesting is they inspired, especially ksi, some more politically consciousness youtubers like chunky, filly and niko who cited ksi as an inspire and have even appeared in some sidemen videos, but are so different to ksi in that they even use their platforms to speak out about issues and do charity work
Tbh i wouldn't have a problem with Speed if he didn't make racist remarks to asian people, or threatened to SA a girl on a livestream. I wouldn't have a problem with Kai if he wasn't blatantly homophobic towards Lil Nas X. But they did and have shown no remorse in doing so, so yeah.
Speed was underage through all of that, ever since he's be over the age of 18 he has matured and that has to count for something. Holding hate for a kid is weird imo
@@skatermats He’s only 19 lol. You can’t pull the underage card and say he’s matured when he’s only been an adult for 1 year 💀
@@arianamiranda3660 What? Are you gatekeeping a timeframe to mature?
As much success the kid has had, he has been punished very hard by the internet and you can totally see the growth.
I thought Speed apologized for the SA threat?
Not that anyone owes someone forgiveness for that, but if I remember right he did show remorse.
@@skatermatsDo you think that people shouldn’t judge lil nas x for the terrible stuff that he said when he was underage? Like the Islamophobic tweets and inappropriate sexual tweets that he made on Twitter years ago? If you don’t think the same about lil nas x then you’re definitely homophobic and hypocritical
I'm on the other side of the Continent and I can tell you that minorities being treated like the representative of their tribe while the majority is treated as individuals is a whole thing that's true everywhere. Part of that is racism from top down but also this insecurity of the minorities to please the powers that be. Some how the burden is on the minorities to prove that all of them should not be painted by the same brush.
At least he always has shown support for Palestine. I’ll always respect him for that. Plus he’s my age I can’t really hate
So?
@@Technicalectasywhat do you mean so? He’s showing at least one great message on a massive stage to the world I think that’s worth something
The bar is on the damn floor fr
And Ireland ✊🇨🇮
@@megaham1552if he were “following trends” he would be pro Israel. Thats what society at large is, in case you have forgotten. That what’s all the media wants you to be. The fact he’s been steadfast on it is admirable
Speed and Kai aren't my type of content. The 'screaming = funny' style of comedy isn't my thing. But Speed in particular used to really annoy me. With Speed, I've landed in a space where I feel that he was too young for the kind of fame he got and people took advantage of that. Now I see Speed as a sympathetic person deserving of a guiding hand.
Kai on the other hand is going to go the way of Asmongold imo. There's a right wing swerve in his near future.
Are you saying asmongold is right wing?
@@wildafrosith690 Yes. Unquestionably. It's not even up for debate at this point.
@@wildafrosith690bruh you don't know? 😅
@@wildafrosith690Are you saying he's not?
@@wildafrosith690 He's definitely in the haven't washed or brushed his teeth in a decade camp. Even animals know they need a wash every now and then.
lmmfaoooo the min the Tom green show came on i knew i had gone past UNC STATUS
2:22 Kai covered up a SA at his NYE party. Bro was deaded to me after that
People don't talk about that enough. Fully pretended to not know the guy.
The perpetrator in question came out with “receipts” to show that he didn’t commit that crime. Take it how u want it but it seemed like Kai wanted to get all the facts before making a statement on it. Unfortunately he was not given that privilege.
@@clumsyninja925even his apology states that he “reached out to his management first and followed their advice…you don’t know how much money is on the line and how hard I’ve worked, everything can be taken away over something I didn’t even do!” A straight up money demon
I don't think yk the full context
is there a video covering this?
Speed is showing a lot of personal growth. Kai is not. I think this is the difference. FREEE PALASTEEN
Didn’t speed just bark at an infant baby and make them cry a couple weeks ago?
@@masxedsyfirspyrul9189unintentionally and apologised to the father immediately after. Dont leave out context.
@@masxedsyfirspyrul9189 "don't mind me while I spread misinformation"
Supporting Palestine is not showing maturity...😂
@@balajiraju4157 How’s that Hasbara check?
11:27 nah, this is clearly him making light of the situation. hella anti-black to me. plenty of languages have words that sound like the Nword, and it’s classic edgelord to make light and take advantage of that. there’ll be mad of speed’s nonblack child fans quoting that to each other and he knows that (and if he doesn’t someone in his life is smart enough to know it and tell him)
I agree with what you’re saying. Adding some specific context, I don’t speak Bulgarian, but Slavic languages do share a lot of words, spelled and pronounced differently. «Книга» is pronounced “k-ni-ga” in Bulgarian (and Russian) and «Книга» is pronounced “k-ny-ha” in Ukrainian. I don’t know the context of why speed asked the crowd that question though. Maybe he legit didn’t expect it to sound like that.
So, book in Bulgarian is apparently "kniga", which leads me to believe Speed was in on the "joke" when he asked them... Unless there is some worthwhile context for why he would be asking how to say the word "book" instead of just googling it like I just did.
As a Russian person I laughed so hard at how easily he baited them. I would've fallen for it too though I'm kinda silly 😭
The thing I can't get on board with FD with here is the stuff like this. There's so many people who had to go to mostly white schools that had to live through racist "jokes" because of guys like KSI and Speed literally egging them on.
@@DiscGolfLeagueMVP oh that's true isn't it, yeah. But also obv not Only because of guys like Speed lmfao
I believe in that clip an audience member told speed for them to say book in Bulgarian
@@bobbyrobby6669 ohhhh i thought speed STARTED the bit. that makes so much sense though
Not sure about this one. Dude threatened a woman on stream with rape.
When he was 16 and apologized you want him dead ?
@@Stargazelol5
YES LMFAO
@@indigocharles7445 yikes very normal behavior
@@Stargazelol5You don’t have to want him dead.. is it that crazy to not like people who threaten/joke about rape? And let’s be real, he’s not that old. He was 16 just 3 years ago.
11:28 to be fair a lot of Slavic languages the word for book is "kniga/kniha" most of them are saying it with the k, I would imagine the ones that didn't knew what Speed wanted (them being happy to oblige is a different thing all together though). From my admittedly non black perspective it would be like Speed going to Hong Kong and asking a group of fans to say "um" in Cantonese. He's knowingly asking them to say a word that sounds like the n-word.
Yea exactly. HE WAS UNNERONICLY CLIP FARMING HERE😭
thanks for setting the record straight
In several European languages, the word for Afro-American comes from the Latin word black, which is nigrum. You might think that they use a racial slur when in reality they just use a neutral term in their native tongue.
You touched on a great point with Kai, how you wish he would speak up about it, but can’t blame him for not wanting to. The term “cancel culture” is pretty frustratingly overused, but it’s clear how it targets more marginalized groups; because when a part of that group fucks up, everyone fucks up. That’s an insane amount of pressure for people like Kai to have
"Be nice to the babies" - F.D 2024
Very very small note but wouldn’t it be Andre as a successor to Green and not vice versa? Green would be the predecessor
2:11 eminem in the top right corner...hes inescapable...
At 0:12 you look like Krillen to me
Damn!!
Wow W for you L marriage right? RIGHT!?
@@wedontagelikemilktho.7839 idk, his marriage seems normal - nothing special, nothing bad. They seem chill
Speed: "But if I was the last man on earth, then who's gonna stop me?"
Woman: "Me & my buddies Smith & Wesson."
Yeah, what a swell guy.
Yeah, we gotta stop using the 'you're cheating a young man out of their future' excuse, no matter what their skin tone is . Speed fucked around. Don't give him a pass on finding out.
Tbf speed got alotttt of backlash for that when the clipped happened and was banned of twitch for 2 years he was 16 when he did that let him grow give him 2 years
@@Stargazelol5 Tbf, I don't really care. Was u on the internet screamin' grape threats at young girls at 16? And why was it left up to me to even mention this? Seems mighty convenient to leave that out of this discussion.
Kids say dumb stuff?
@@ubahfly5409 obviously what he said was straight up not okay and being sixteen doesn't change that, but that doesn't mean that him being a literal child at the time isn't relevant when it comes to judging him as a person right now or when he's an adult. idk how old you are but you should understand that there is an actual reason kids aren't held to the same standard as adults when it comes to their actions
0:18 true relationship advice
Lmao no because why did that feel very fatherly frfr. That hit
I never cared for Tom Green. He just reminded me of that obnoxious kid in school who just didn’t know when to shut the fuck up and who tried too hard to be funny.
Tom Green was ahead of his time, now we have so many Tom Greens… I wish I found any of them funny, I never understood the appeal.
thank you
He had a few funny moments, but he wasn't as funny as the Jackass crew.
Nah i didnt laugh at a grown man laying on the street scaring the shit out of a small dog and making everyone so uncomfortable i had to mute the video. I'm also gen Z so no old head type shit bro is just a terrible role model for kids.
Frl
Yeah, he wouldn’t have done that to a fully grown rotty.
@@onesolopolo4194He did the same to a Lion tho...
In the zoo.😂
Ok I was worried I was the only one who just found that weird, not funny
"I'm to old to be fightin' the young folks"
Shit, I'm not. Kai is older than me and Speed is less than a year younger than me. Their behavior is embarrassing to me, and Kai's crappy comments about black Americans will never sit right with me.
I don't gravitate to that type of content anyway, but I feel like If I did have a platform, I'd want to do more than make a mockery out of myself for millions of people but that's just me 🤷🏾♂️
Yeah I feel like excusing speed and Kai's behaviour because they're 'young' is just unfair to all the people their age and younger that arent making gross jokes and whatever else they do
@@ConfusedOctopus kai doesn't seem like the sharpest tool in the shed, and in speed's case he became famous for almost his entire highschool journey. Someone influenced by such a massive audience and influencers from that young will naturally have a more warped view of reality
@@NoRockinMansLand it's a good point, I hope they grow up at some point
Showing up 17 seconds after posting should be illegal lol
I'm going to jail
3 hours
4:58 Andy Millonakis was that guy when I was a kid.
I got bees on my head, but don’t call me a bee head.
Peas on my head, but don’t call me a pea head.
Got Bruce Lees in my head, but don't call me a Lee head
Now please excuse me, I gots to get my tree fed
He doesnt deserve respect. 17 is old enough to know its not ok to threaten to rape someone and yell racist remarks.
okay, but is he allowed to grow or must his past be an albatross on his neck for the rest of his life? because at a certain point it stops being about accountability and becomes petty vengeance.
remember the kid you're judging for this was a minor when he did that- and that the overwhelming majority of the male gaming community does that on a daily basis
You can draw that line. I understand and won't fight you on it. But I have noticed a difference in his persona and if he isn't that person anymore, there should be room for growth
Their brains have not fully developed at that age, it takes until you're about 24. They deserve leniency at that age because of that, without that meaning the behavior shouldn't be corrected, or sometimes even punished.
@@LilFeralGangrelI think he should be allowed to grow and mature, but I don’t think he should have a platform. There are still consequences and I think he should have to leave the platform and come back as a more mature person
Hey, F.D. since I am from Bulgaria I want to clarify one small detail from your otherwise good as always video. In one of the clips that you showed( at 11:25) you say Ishowspeeds' fans call him the N world but in fact he asked them how do you say "book" in Bulgarian and they respond "kniga" with is actually the word for book. They don't call him the N word.
i think the point is, its not "the word" but it implies the word. like the word 'niggardly", meaning miserly, which has no etymological relationship to the slur, but there still exists the wikipedia page titled 'Controversies about the word niggardly'
@@dysplasiagiraffe4845 I'm not sure of it's the same when the language is different.
As someone who is in the older Gen-Z crowd, I kinda had this instinctual resentment fowards Kai and Speed for a long time, something made me sort of see their content as a weird "low brow," kind of humor that would have negative consequences on the young kids watching them.
Then I remembered watching the fuck out of Filthy Frank (and the "cancer crew," in general) less than a decade ago, and realized the kids are actually alright, and that Kai and Speed are in fact fine, just normal dudes.
Oh god, he's still just 19?
19 is a adult we gotta stop using that as a excuse he a grown ass man yea he a young man but he still grown
@@windowsxp4322this go for women too
@@windowsxp4322
Legally an adult, but also 19 year olds are still no where near mature
@@windowsxp4322 i get your point but 19 is nowhere near grown whatsoever you're not even that far removed from high school yet and i say this as a 19 year old, idk how old you are but the 19 of even like 5 years ago is not the 19 of today he's by no means a little boy but he is definitely not a grown man
19 is a babyadult @@windowsxp4322
This video really hits the nail on the head i think. It always felt wrong to me to call speed or Kai Minstrel shows because they're just guys doing the type of loud make fun of yourself humor any other entertainer would and has done for years given the circumstances and opportunity.
It feels like it's own weird little micro racism, that among everything else someone could criticize them for the one thing they get the most flak for is being black while being goofy and making fun of themselves in front of an audience
This is necessary. We have to be empathetic to these young guys.
I'm saving my empathy for him until I see a genuine apology from Speed for that r*pe comment bullshit. FD didn't really cover that here but what Speed did in that regard goes well beyond the cringe Xbox Live lobby persona he's cultivated and he should have to answer for that seriously.
As far as Kai goes, once he ditches the homophobia he displayed while talking about Lil Nas X, he's fine.
I hear you. My thing is these guys are still kids according to popular psychology. Additionally they exist in echo chambers and are probably surrounded by a bunch of Yes men and I don’t know how much of their behavior exists as a result of that. The true test will be the day they reckon with their behavior critically and how they choose to go forward.
@@BuBornhamI ageee wholeheartedly but let’s be real the homophobia won’t sadly disappear anytime soon in the culture
@@johnwerner69 it will be much better though
We don't "have to" do shit. Esp if that "empathy" means infantilizang a buncha problematic young ADULT multimillionaires who lack any kinda accountability, respect, or social responsibility.
that one speed clip where he's playing mario kart and screaming because he doesn't realize that it's not forza and accelerate isn't right trigger is really funny. i don't have anything else to add, it's just really good
Just some clarification at 11:21. Ishowspeed asked what is book in Bulgarian and the crowd responded with книга (pronounced kniga) which mean book in Bulgarian.
Yeah that was a weird take, he literally asked them to say something that sounded like the n-word and then got upset about it. I think it was just a joke by Speed and not some social commentary....
I understood it as a criticism of the understanding that Speed clearly has (regarding the union of his blackness, and the chaotic, exciting personality that are a part of his appeal). If you were a white creator you wouldn't go to Bulgarian fans and goad them into saying something that is clearly inflammatory; it's more to point out the absurdity that these young men are somehow outside or immune to the reality of existing and being successful while black, you must lean into it or your white audience loses interest. It's not about being upset or right and wrong, it's about the the whole thesis of this video; can you be black and a clown (or entertainer) without those two things inherently conflating together
Speed trying Doner is legitimately the best encapsulation of his content. Everyone around him gets so happy and he is willing to try new things and he respects the culture.
His trip to Sweden was both bizarre and wholesome. He appreciated our culture more than some people who live here.
5:45
Eric Andre is Goated
Nothing good ever comes from being a clown to try to make friends or impress people
My teacher once told me "Now they are laughing with you but one day that will be laughing at you" and when I got to high school he was right,
that's the case for anyone who makes themselves a clown for the amusement of others, nothing good ever comes. I feel bad for speed because he is doing this at such a viral level and young age.
I mean...many famous comedians would disagree with you.
@@hermitkwesi1147 speed isn't a comedian, there's doing comedy and making a fool of yourself.
Speed isn't like Eric Andre , I get what you mean when you say he's a comic but he doesn't make joke speed just screams and is loud a lot of the times.
He's going to regret the way he acted when he's older he'll even in 4 years time
Lookin jacked, Unc!
Nah bro he was joking about rape with women multiple times
Yes and continues to do so and has never changed, and is not just recently become an adult, was not until recently a child, and definitely has no chance to continue to change and be better amirite
@@DarkestKnightshadeand continues to do so?! Yikes
@@DarkestKnightshadeeh.. that's kind of a lame excuse imo
@@KAlovesherkitties no way you missed the fact that statement was sopping wet, nay, pouring, sarcasm. That was years ago and he has changed a lot since then. Kids, even adults, can grow and become not-horrible people
@@DarkestKnightshade and people can still have a problem with them for joking about *rape*
As a young social media-addicted person, I think Speed deserves a lot of credit for evolving out the “I’m funny cus I’m loud” lane. People like me that understand his appeal has literally watched him grow up. Yes he still has antics sometimes, but he’s shown that he doesn’t need antics to be funny, and that’s good enough content for his audience to stay engaged.
Yo FD I know it’s a stretch because it might not be the most popular but you think we could get a full vid on Lupe? I love a lot of his music but I know he’s pretty polarizing and has a complex intersection of views. Appreciate it!
probably just light work tbh, you could do a fairly long one tho tbf
Jawn Louis dropped a vid on Lupe and it’s really good. I highly suggest you check it out
@@BOGOworms4sale I watched that one and thought I was really insightful, great rec for sure
Jawn Louis already took care of that
My problem is that, to be accepted, every black men have to be an Ishowspeed or a Kai Cenat,
aka a high energy, joke craking, always happy , friendly hoodtype dude.
When I was in Asia, I realized that this is what people were expecting from me.
Basically they want the Will Smith of the 21st century. I'm not. But I don't mind these kids being themselves, it's just that the bigger picture is not really nice...
I haven't heard of Ishowspeed before, but I do happen to be a native Bulgarian speaker, and you're missing some context around the clip at 11:20.
You preface that this is apparently from a Euro-trip, and given that he's asking this crowd how to say book in "Buljairian", I'm going to assume he's in Bulgaria talking to his Bulgarian fans. The Bulgarian word for book is, in fact, книга or "kniga". The K is _not_ silent, you can hear the crowd pronouncing it in the clip. Yeah, that sounds kind of like the n-word to a non-Bulgarian speaker, but that's just how languages are sometimes; "Kaka" is a Bulgarian term of endearment for an older sister type figure, and as a result growing up I've had my fair share of Americans wondering why I'm calling another Bulgarian a turd. Bulgarian is a very old language, it fills a similar role in eastern orthodox christianity that Latin does in catholicism. I can say pretty confidently that the ancient Bulgarians didn't decide on their word for "book" with black people in mind.
More to the point, he's literally asking them in the clip what the word for book is. This is some juvenile "Hey spell i-cup" shit. He's not being racially profiled or dehumanized. I only have the context from your video, I wasn't aware of this incident before now, but as far as I can tell there's no reason for Speed to ask that question. He already knows the answer, he already knows how he's going to react. If anyone is being disrespected, it's the people who are being set up to look like the lowest kind of ignorant racist fools chanting the n-word for no reason, orchestrated by a guy who can't get the name of the country he's in right. There's nothing organic about it.
There's more, especially around the idea that these Bulgarian fans are "white" (It's complicated, in that part of the world), but I'll leave it there for now. Sorry if this comment is coming across defensive at all, there are no hard feelings towards you. It's unreasonable to expect people to randomly know details like this about a small eastern European country, and you took the situation as exactly what Ishowspeed tried to make it out to be. But like you say, the guy is a clown.
Kai and Ispeed are not really doing anything new, but yea it’s their blackness that makes them stand out. I used to watch Viva la bam and thinking how cool he was.
At the beginning I thought of Speed as an annoying little kid who got way too famous way too fast. But recently he’s been a lot more chill, empathetic, and generally cool. He grew up basically.
Black folks don't need leaders we need teachers. I don't have time to follow someone else but I can make time to learn from them. The yearning for someone else to hold our hand is a learned concept that keeps us divided and occupied looking around and pointing fingers at each other. Instead of getting together and doing the work. Folks the solution to many of our problems is found in unity not hero worship. Leave that for them.
shout out to Desmond Amofah “Etika” for setting a fantastic example of an influencer before his time. rest in peace
No Eminem, no views.
no eminem, my eyes cant even see the video
Are stans worse than Drake stans?Both fan bases don't understand Hip Hop whatsoever.🤔
FYI, 11:23, "book" in Bulgarian is "kniga". The young lad was perhaps a bit too enthusiastic about it though...
Was looking for this moment lol.
I think FD just had an elder moment and missed the point of the joke.
Speed is infamous for hyper inappropriate humor
11:35 idk if that's necessarily a white mob lmfao
As a Dominican myself who has lived all his life in D.R, to use Dominicans as people "who have culture" whatever that means it's fucking hilarious especially when most of our culture has always been heavily influenced by America most especially Black America and that is especially truer today than ever.
One could try to be as charitable as possible and maybe give Kai some leeway. Perhaps he meant it in the sense that all leftist meme about "Americans have no culture, y'all just appropriate someone else culture and commodify-it", and from a foreign perspective it is somewhat true, Americans are Americans first and then whatever intersectionality they belong to second, but Kai is neither a foreign born and raised kid, and I'm pretty he wasn't kind of making some sort of convoluted Empire-periphery analysis LoL.
I went on 2 work trips to Santo Domingo and heard the Nword more times than in the states and I'm from chicago south side. Was crazy
@@jqk369We call each other "negro" or "moreno" all the time lol The Caribbean Islands are mainly influenced by Africa and Spain. Negro literally means black in Spanish.😂
@@jqk3691 problem I have with my people is that they don't want to be associated with "black people" at all.🤦🏾♂️
@@wedontagelikemilktho.7839 Can you elaborate? Why are they calling each other black if they don't want to be associated with Black folks? Is it a joke/insult, or is it just Dominicans who view themselves as Black who say it?
Sorry dude, I laugh at a lot of things, I didn't laugh at a clown barking at a dog.
Being a black influencer comes with so much unwanted responsibility and I know for a fact these two want no parts, and I don't want them to have it. They just want to have fun, get money, and not have to act as a diplomat for black people. It's an unfair deal, but at the same time, it's very hard to stand behind their decisions when they always somehow find a way to put down black people with bad takes, bad behavior, or turn a blind eye for cash. As they get older they may realize that what they say and do does matter, but their young audience will have already learned all the wrong they did and it'll be too late.
I think maybe calling a toxic misogynist a “clown” isn’t exactly the take you think it is. I disagree that his antics are funny or harmless. You’re also giving him way too much credit saying his stunts are deep or well thought out. You’ve had some rough takes in the time I’ve followed you, but this might be too much.
Speed or Kai?
Cry harder
Thanks for making this comment. I also feel like FD is giving them a little too much of a pass here. The video shows that mentorship for young black men in media is needed but instead of "Ayo this is funny but you out of pocket for x and y lil bro, let me help you out" it's just a "boys will be boys and that's ok" kind of vibe from the elder Unc's. It feels very dismissive of the harm that will eventually blow up in their faces.
5:34 you mean the spiritual predecessor.
Hey fd love from Brazil 🇧🇷, I'm not sure you'll even see this but I just wanted to say that I've been binging your content and it's meant a lot to me. As a light-skinned guy in Brazil, a country where racism is much less understood due to much higher miscigenation, there was some stuff through my upbringing I didn't even process as being racist towards me (my autism probably didn't help either) until I started thinking abt stuff more critically because of your videos and of my other favorite person who deals with the topic of racism in Vini Jr.
And speaking of him, I wanted to ask if you know of Vinicius and his story? His story is both inspiring in the way he defied everyone who doubted him and became the best player in the best team in the world and uses it to give back to people, but is also extremely depressing in that he got very blatant racist attacks I didn't even know could be possible in this day and age that didn't get properly punished, and still gets very disrespected for speaking up to such injustice to where he's losing passion for the sport. He's one of my idols and it pains me that he's painted as "disrespectful" and "provocative" as if that justifies what happens to him and that seeps into being disrespected in awards
Again, much love from Brazil fd, hope you continue to grow and make great stuff
the only people in denial about racism in Brasil are Pardas .
Bro, I agree with 99.99% of what you said in this video, but what you said about Speed being called the "n-word" by his Bulgarian fans just isn't political commentary or even acknowledgement, it falls well within clown territory, because nobody even actually called Speed a racial slur, the word the kids in that clip are shouting is "книга" (kniga, yes, the k is pronounced) which means book in Bulgarian, and Speed instigated the whole thing throughout his trip, because he had learned the word before ever visiting
I will stand by saying Speed is the Monkey D Luffy of streaming. He doesn't exactly have the most narrow moral compass, and he might not know exact details, but he listens to his international audience and sees them as people. He's surprisingly great at sniffing out bad actors among them as well. Definitely happy to see him grow from where he was a few years ago, I hope he goes even harder in understanding geopolitics and maybe actually find the one piece one day.
The idea of self determinism for black creators is something that's conflicted me for a long time. I think it's great for someone to just do their thing, be it music, comedy, etc. and not have to be burdened by socio-political stuff that affects the black community, but at the same time I wholeheartedly agree that it's the people with the most influence, the biggest platform who should be making political content or at least saying something meaningful between their regular stuff. I think expecting a black person to have a political take is another way of forcing them into a box and shows how pernicious racism is. I don't even like Kai or Speed I'm too old for that shit but I empathize with just letting these black kids make what they want and hoping they don't make us all look bad in the process.
It aint that deep fam
I'd argue that in the modern climate, the demands for political affiliation (by the public, aimed at public figures) has little to nothing to do with race. It is a pernicious and divisive trend, but it's not necessarily racism.
@@fronhank I can kinda see what you’re getting at, but not really. Niche communities and hyper-polarization has definitely led to people wanting all the media they consume to be made by someone who agrees with them politically, but that’t not the same thing black creators are faced with.
When a black creator gains a large enough following there’s an implication that they’ll talk about socio-political issues because so many prominent black people have done so before. Actors, rappers, artists, athletes have all been expected to say something when times are tough and I empathize with someone not wanting to. It’s absolutely a race thing because their race is what ties them to an issue, and their influence combined with that tether to black issues is what makes people want to hear a take from them.
The racism part is important because there’s plenty of black directors or writers who can’t get their work picked up by major studios unless it fits into a certain box. Black people making socio-political art has been a long-defined thing at this point and big companies know that. Black creators have a hard time getting their artsy or sci-fi movies made because a studio wants the next Boyz in the Hood or Get Out.
@@Goval400 Dismissing comments with "It aint that deep fam" because they're too long for you to read and comprehend just cuts off our ability to discuss thoughts and opinions with each other and prevents you from broadening your perspective. It doesn't help anyone.
@@Monroh all you guys do is sit and ponder about race all year long, some people are tired of your long discussions about a nothing burger making a problem out of nothing. The premise of the video itself is dumb, if a white creator acted like ishowspeed it would still be ridiculous, funny and extra, him being black doesn’t add anything to the discussion for most yet for you race ponderers it triggers the longest of discussions. It aint that deep, fam.
FD, thank you so much for creating this kind of content. I cannot begin to overstate the importance of your and the other breadtuber’s work has been in amplifying the narrative and voices of people and backgrounds that are normally muffled by the status quo. Living in Oregon, where the population is overwhelmingly white (by design) and highly unrepresentative of America’s demographics. Therefore my exposure to other’s culture, stories, and struggles is highly limited to a degree that I feel has had a profound impact on the way I viewed the world before transitioning male to female. That wake up call definitely created a cascade of radicalization and understanding of how profoundly fucked the system is for anyone who isn’t cisgender, straight, and white. The farther from those three things a person is the deeper their reality seems to get buried. Thank you for taking the time to bring them up to the surface.
Being black in public presents an inherent double standard that a lot of people, including some black people, just don't understand.
I'll say this about Kai Cenat, in an era where american politics have essentially become performative TV/meme bullshit (largely because of Trump) its refreshing to see someone straight up refusing to further propagating that mentality regardless whether it was intentional or not.
I love how perception of time is so warped by all the shit constantly going on (especially for people more "online" than most) that FD referred to the Kai NYC giveaway as "a few years back" when it was LAST SUMMER
It was??
@@Xtermix August of 2023! 🤯🤯
Sadly minstrelsy is something that folks in our community do to ourselves.
Bruh the boombap doechii beat in the background at 2:44 agh
Delete this. There's nothing there.
@@starsmash7491 what ?
@@starsmash7491 I heard the beat. You’re probably just deaf
6:00 Andy Kaufman 😆
lol if only you watched for one more minute before commenting
@@c_12123 Yep!!!
11:43 as a person living in norway this was so embarrassing because the first thing people said was how immigrant/black kids are uncivilised and unruly
A monetized ad right after a demonetization disclaimer is crazyyy
I would argue Kai Cenat and Aden Ross’ appeal is much deeper than race. Kai puts a lot of work into his big streams, like streaming 105 hours straight to beat hardcore minecraft, getting a licensed therapist to help him beat Elden Ring, streaming in a UHaul that was stolen no less, having hilarious memorable moments with Kevin Heart that went viralC, and way more. I could go on. Whenever Aden Ross goes viral, it’s because he said something uneducated or just downright stupid. He doesn’t put nearly as much work into his content and appeals a lot more to a right wing audience rather than Kai who appeals to people who like his innovations. There’s also an argument to be made about platforms. Aden Ross streams on Mixer (I believe) which is a noticeably smaller platform than Twitch and has, again, a much more right wing audience because mixer allows those kinds of content creators to have platforms.
I definitely wouldn’t compare Kai and Aden’s content because one has much stronger content, better viral moments, and a much larger platform behind them. Hope you see this because I’d love to have a discussion about it.
To be fair though, at 11:24 he's in Bulgaria and is asking them how to say book in Bulgarian and according to google it's книга and the pronunciation on there sounds like what the crowd's saying. But yeah after saying that word twice the kid in the white shirt does just drop the n word immediately after which kinda makes me think Speed asked the crowd the question knowing the words sounded similar
He definitely knew. People really underestimate this kids intelligence. Like it’s low key but like I can think of when he told the Greek kid “turkey better.” Or how he’s been saying free Palestine for years now. He knows a lot. He can’t hide it from me lol
15:15 which is why I know that million subscriber special is about to be a classic.
Not surprising how pro-palistine Speed is when his hero is Monkey D. Luffy from One Piece
Cornbread Tube is wild lmfao
Great name, and I might have to become a part of that
11:30 nah, the word for book in Bulgarian is "книга" which sounds like the n-word but its not
I feel the same about Kai Cenat. Like, I get it if you're a kid and just like silly things but it doesn't make it any less of a clown show. But don't let their fans hear you say that otherwise you're just a "jEaLoUs hAtEr"
Kai was a kid years ago...
Had to watch while it was still hot 😂
I really dont want to defend racists, but book in bulgarian means "kniga", that's why he was asking them the question, which is very weird
3:55-I might do this to my neighbor's dogs but they might call the cops on me lol
i´ve actually been WAITING for you to touch on this too be honest😭glad you did it!