Why Aren't There Big Rock Bands Anymore?

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  • @debonaire_nerd
    @debonaire_nerd Місяць тому +4

    My Dad was of a generation of Australians in the 1980s where you would go to your local pub in places like Richmond or East Melbourne to watch an act like INXS, Midnight Oil, Cold Chisel, Hoodoo Gurus, or Paul Kelly for around $10.00 per ticket.
    According to dad, once booze busses and compulsory breath testing was introduced, it hit the pub rock scene hard.

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  Місяць тому +1

      Thanks for the Australian insights. I think the whole Pub Rock era (no matter where it was) was destined to come to an end. In Oz, I'll bet those factors didn't help. Cheers!

  • @nigelforty8165
    @nigelforty8165 Місяць тому +1

    Down here in Brighton there are many live music venues . More in fact than when I arrived here in 89 . I go to see a lot of bands with members young enough to be my grandchildren ( I’m 60) . Some really tiny venues like the pipeline with a capacity of around 40 right up to big venues like the arch , Concorde two , chalk and patterns which can take hundreds . Many gigs are as cheap as £6 . It’s a groovy thing .

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  Місяць тому

      Great! There are plenty of live music venues where I live in Ramsgate but all the bands seem to be semi-pro, playing cover versions. Sad…
      The last time I was in Brighton was around 8 years ago when I was an agent for The Mothers of Invention (Zappa's old band with original members). They played in a pub on the seafront for 50 people…
      🤓

  • @MadderMel
    @MadderMel Місяць тому +1

    I bet you had a great time back in those days Jim
    In a way you made a contribution to our popular music culture !
    Which is a very rich history and culture !

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  Місяць тому

      Thank you, that's very kind of you to say so! It was long hours and, doing my own door, I got the occasional clump but it was great. Experiencing and meeting great bands and being par t of something so organic and useful was magic.
      Thanks for taking the time to watch and to comment. Cheers!

  • @EdVanMeyer
    @EdVanMeyer 2 місяці тому +8

    Its at the start. A&R men go round stage schools, not pubs like in the old days. Pub Rock groups like Squeeze, Dire Straits et al started out here, less pubs open, less pubs with live music and less young people in generations since the 1970s is the issue. Pop is more manufactured than ever.

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  2 місяці тому +1

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I can't disagree with anything you say. Cheers!

  • @johnianknox1629
    @johnianknox1629 2 місяці тому +1

    Jim, great video as always, yes you are spot on with your oplnion, i'm from Glasgow and we had a lot of great pubs/venues for live/real music in the 70's/80's/90's sadly i could probably count on one hand the ones that are worth going to now, sad but true, what an indictment of today's so called music, if it was'nt so tragic it would make you laugh. Keep up the good work and take care mate.

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  2 місяці тому +1

      Very kind of you to say those nice things: as people keep telling me, I am very trying! I agree with just about every word you say. Thanks again. Cheers!

  • @megalimey2423
    @megalimey2423 2 місяці тому +3

    Great topic! and very provocative.....
    Jim , I think the real problem is that the “Great bands “, have never gone away. The internet is clogged up by Classic Band catalogues. These bands are well passed there sell-by dates ,including Oasis. Somewhere in the early nineties, it dawned on me (duh) ,that the the whole music biz was a scam of corporate promotion, big record companys, BBC etc,(yes, even John Peel.) and endless social agendas. Personally I never liked the “big classic rock bands”, that is ,supposedly , what punk initially represented ..
    remember , ”I hate Pink Floyd “ T-shirts , et al …I agree with all your comments , the pub rock circuit held the monopoly on grass roots innocence .We all know now that ,UA-cam, is not about “sharing your videos with friends and family “(..imagine monetising that!) The internet is overbalanced by, an revisionist North American take on classic rock. For example the most popular bands in the middle 70s were not ,(in the UK) The Beatles, led Zeppelin and Yes ,more like ,Thin Lizzy , Status Quo and Rory Gallagher…The Pop music nostalgia of today is a fantasy ,conveniently forgetting the hatred of “Eurovision song contest” Schlager and “Prog”, which of course drove the passion in young people for an alternative.That alternative was the “next wave“. The wave that never happened ….enough said…Wishing you all the best.......👍

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  2 місяці тому +1

      Thanks: I appreciate the kind words! I agree with most of what you say. The organised corruption of the "music business" is one reason I never really got involved with the mainstream. (Another reason, they didn't want me!)
      We're certainly due another wave in "popular music", the last one was Brit Pop in the 1990s, which was (IMO) the weakest one of the lot, well behind Rock 'n' Roll, Merseybeat/Brit POp (Mk1), Progressive Rock, Pub Rock, and Punk/New Wave. Cheers!

  • @MadderMel
    @MadderMel Місяць тому

    Great songwriting teams
    Don't forget . Smith - Bramah !

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  Місяць тому

      Thanks for subscribing!

  • @salc3527
    @salc3527 7 годин тому +1

    20 odd in London no way!!! That's mad

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  3 години тому +1

      It's only numbers, although I do standby what I said, rightly or wrongly. Thanks for taking part and please keep watching and commenting! It wouldn't be the same without you....
      Cheers!

  • @DamienCalnon-uq7zj
    @DamienCalnon-uq7zj Місяць тому

    Good commentary from you. I think the main reason for the demise is due to the internet. Music is too easy to obtain, therefore its mystery has been eroded. The music press broadsheets have dissapeared. Let's face it, back in the day, we had to rely on reading a press article on a band or word of mouth about an upcoming band. For me the excitement wad palpable to actually get to see the band live. TV rarely showed anything but the established acts and radio was crap - i know that there were exceptions eg Rock Goes to College, the odd hour on the radio. With the internet you can find most music within seconds. Also, the internet videos on how to play instruments has caused a legion of soundalikes (even worse than the old dreaded G.I.T). Can't really see how a new Keith Levene can come out in this age.
    However there is plenty of excellent music out there and bands to see in small venues but, making a living, it's gonna be hard.
    I do wonder if the world wsd better before the advent of the internet. How ironic that i am using (and enjoying) the same machine that i criticise!!

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  Місяць тому

      Thanks for such a great comment. I love the Internet and it’s made a lot of things possible for me, even at the age of 70! Thanks for taking part and for sharing your views. Please keep watching! Cheers!

  • @mcsuibhne005
    @mcsuibhne005 2 місяці тому +2

    Radio in America used to be independent and would play their own playlist, throwing in leftwing choices which would then become big. Now they're all basically owned by conglomerates with a strict playlist (think BBC Radio 1).

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  Місяць тому

      Very true and thanks for adding that. My life experience is mainly from living in the UK but I think it's a little odd that the same trends (roughly) apply to the USA, where the media was totally different. Thanks for taking part in the debate. Cheers!

  • @geej12
    @geej12 2 місяці тому +2

    The days of BIG rock bands are over. Many people from my generation (I’m a couple of years younger than you, Jim) were passionate about a certain type of music- it was central to our identity. You were envious of people who owned certain records. I’ve made friends with people just because of the LPs they were carry under their arm. Music was valuable. But now music is basically free to listen to, and you can make a studio-quality recording in your bedroom. Democratisation is great, but it has made music virtually worthless, or at least disposable. So the distribution system and artists don’t make money. There will always be good music made by passionate people, and a few passionate fans who will seek it out. But technology has changed our culture so much that serious music has become the fringe. And also the sense of rebellion in Rock’n’Roll has gone- if your parents listened to Motorhead/Sex Pistols/Napalm Death/Prodigy/Marilyn Manson, where can you find something outrageous? Not with Taylor Swift or Ed Sheeran!

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  2 місяці тому +1

      Totally agree. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Cheers!

    • @davidmorgan2077
      @davidmorgan2077 Місяць тому +1

      Taylor Swift and Ed Sheeran are outrageous compared to those bands. Outrageously crap.

    • @geej12
      @geej12 Місяць тому

      @@davidmorgan2077 🤣

  • @rickdyer334
    @rickdyer334 2 місяці тому +1

    Kids today have more options than we did. There were very few movies, TV shows, or magizines for us. Now there are so many options, fewer people believe music is going to change their lives. They have more options than we ever did, so music is not as important

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  2 місяці тому

      Yes, I quite agree. Gaming is now roughly the equivalent of Led Zeppelin to our era. Thanks for taking part. Cheers!

  • @MadderMel
    @MadderMel Місяць тому

    Only twenty decent venues for new bands in the whole of London ??
    How very sad is that ?
    I grew up in the 80's Jim , almost every week there was something going on at Trinity Hall in Bristol , you'd get in most nights for between £1 and £5 , some of the more well known groups you may have to pay a little bit more , I saw The Fall there for the first time , I think I paid £7 to see them !
    Now we can all yearn for the days of our youth , but I honestly think it was much more enjoyable in those days , especially when it comes to music !

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  Місяць тому

      It's true that the live music scene has changed a lot over the years. (The number of twenty is only an estimate; I don't have the heart to count them!) Venues come and go, but the love for music remains strong! Cheers!

  • @bucko321
    @bucko321 2 місяці тому +4

    Most of the bands that play in pubs near where I live in Worthing are made up of seasoned musicians, not many 20 year old playing.

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  2 місяці тому +1

      Yes, it's the same here in Ramsgate and Margate (apart from the Libertines, of course). I don't think young people think of being a Rock star these days. That's maybe something I should have mentioned in the video. Thanks for prompting me. Cheers!

  • @chriswareham
    @chriswareham 2 місяці тому +1

    Plenty of big rock bands since Oasis, many of them way bigger as Oasis weren't very successful outside the UK. The club and bar scene is still quite vibrant in the US and in continental Europe, but as well as building up a live following the key thing is social media. Plenty of bands still find popularity by learning how best to work with the algorithms on the likes of TikTok, UA-cam and Spotify. What those bands aren't making though is money, so many of the recent successes particularly in the UK are rich kids or those who have to treat being in a band as more of a hobby than a career.

    • @catsquirrel3270
      @catsquirrel3270 2 місяці тому +1

      Genuinely interested in which big rock bands you are thinking of Chris?

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  2 місяці тому +1

      Thanks for sharing your insights! It's always refreshing to hear different perspectives on the music industry, presumably from across the Atlantic. I genuinely can't think of a single band of the last 20 years who could sell out a stadium tour of the UK like, say, the Stones, Oasis (not my favourite band!, as you may have guessed) or The Who.
      Thanks for adding to the conversation!

    • @chriswareham
      @chriswareham 2 місяці тому +1

      Keeping it to bands I've seen since Oasis had their heyday in the 1990s, I'd suggest Tool, Interpol, Kings of Leon and The Killers for example. A contemporary example, and one from closer to home would be Fontaines DC, who I first saw in a venue with a few hundred person capacity but who will headline a 45,000 capacity show at Finsbury Park next year.

    • @chriswareham
      @chriswareham 2 місяці тому

      I'm actually in the UK, but have gigged across Europe and spent time in the US where I've seen bands play. One thing that struck me about both mainland Europe and the US was the better organisation at small venues. I frequently gig in London and elsewhere in the UK and have done since the 1990s. The quality of venues in the UK has always been appalling in that timeframe, with terrible PA systems, unreliable sound engineers and a fair few dodgy promoters.

    • @catsquirrel3270
      @catsquirrel3270 2 місяці тому

      @@chriswareham Kings of Leon were the only ones I could think of. The Killers did sell a pretty impressive number of tickets for a single Wembley gig a decade ago, it's true, but not three or four nights as the bands Jim mentions could do regularly. I tend to think of massive bands as those your mum would have heard of. I am now old (60 at the end of the month) so I fit firmly into that category and I had never heard of Interpol until now, and Tool just vaguely on my radar. I am being rather UK-centric of course, but we are talking mosly about the UK. I would argue that Oasis were pretty succesful outside the UK, albeit for a shorter time period - "What's the Story..." sold around 4 million copies in the USA, for example. I wouldn't mind being a quid behind them in the royalties for that one, Chris. :-)

  • @arejaycee5704
    @arejaycee5704 2 місяці тому +1

    There have been legendary bands and there have been legendary performances. Then there's.. . .. oasis.

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  2 місяці тому +1

      Yes. I have to be careful because if I say anything vaguely critical of Oasis (especially on TikTok) they pile on but I deliberately cut from Jimmy Page in the opening sequence to Noel Gallagher strumming to show the contrast. Cheers!

  • @ianwood2031
    @ianwood2031 2 місяці тому +1

    A question for you Jim, do you think Greta Van Fleet in 2023 sold more or less tickets than Led Zeppelin in 1970?

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  2 місяці тому

      Thanks for the question. I must admit I'm not up with what's happening now. I try to keep up with Apple Music, but I know I'm way behind. I'm afraid I am only vaguely aware of Greta Van Fleet. but I know people suggest they are copying Led Zepp. Sorry!

    • @woodythebookie1
      @woodythebookie1 2 місяці тому +1

      I only use them as an example of a band that can play large arenas and have little to no mainstream exposure, certainly to people of my or your generation. Gone from playing the Black Heart to Ally Pally in 5 years with a primarily young audience.
      You are right that how people discover music is different, and that the pub scene is much diminished, yet what remains is in places still vibrant and still capable of being a springboard towards stardom. The likes of Green Day certainly played plenty of pub gigs. Even Taylor Swift played Kings College Student Union.
      Times change, we are now 44 tears on from 1980, go 44 years back from there and the very idea of amplified music in pub back rooms would have seemed somewhat strange, although dance hall venues such as the electric ballroom and dingwalls would have been up and running not to mention Co op dancehalls up and down the country and many of our great theatre venues.
      Thinking forward, the best gig of my life is always in my mind the next one I’m going to. The greatest band ever, one that I have yet to discover. Nothing beats seeing a band in a small venue that for whatever reason just totally grabs your attention. Music will live on in some form or another long after we are both gone.

  • @littletownie4008
    @littletownie4008 Місяць тому

    There is a feast of great contemporary bands at the moment but they need promotion from channels like yours or Rick Beato.
    Less 'Glory Day' videos and more the future is bright videos and here's why.
    REN, English Teacher, Troy Kingi, Fontaine's D.C. , Mt Joy, Four Tet, Mattiel, The Allergies, Sam Fender, Nadine Shah, Alien Weaponry. Pick and choose your own mix of music.

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  Місяць тому

      Thanks for the heads up on these hip new bands. I'm more of a Rock Music historian but I'm definitely into great music, so I'll check them out. Cheers!

  • @g.p616
    @g.p616 Місяць тому

    What about Ed Sheeran…. Regardless of what you think of his music, he paid his dues working the live circuit did he not?

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  Місяць тому

      Maybe he did but he's not a band, is he? Cheers!

  • @percystreet
    @percystreet Місяць тому +1

    Lots of “new” acts are already too polished - where are the accompanying candid backstage photos of the likes of Anton Corbin and Jill Furmanovski et al, which also added to the whole atmosphere and social/cultural positioning? Today it’s all too staged

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  Місяць тому

      I blame Simon Cowell. Or maybe his plastic surgeon…

  • @percystreet
    @percystreet Місяць тому +1

    Where are the mainstream protest songs? Considering what has gone on in the world in the last 20 years……… it’s all chick-pop and campfire music these days

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  Місяць тому

      I think the problem is that people and their politics are so polarised these days, it'd be very hard to find something to protest against that others wouldn't lampoon and shoot down. That's why I think everything vaguely mainstream is so bland these days.
      For radical in this day and age, I think we have to look at the underground and stuff old white guys like me doesn't know even exists!

  • @aldam10
    @aldam10 Місяць тому +1

    We still have green day 🥲Great video sir.

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  Місяць тому +1

      Yes we do, though I would gently point out they came about in 1987, way before Oasis were inflicted upon us. Thanks for the kind words and for taking part. Cheers!

  • @dirkbogarde44
    @dirkbogarde44 Місяць тому

    Live music ie.....medium - large acts..........is pretty unappealing. There's no actual rock and roll involved, outside of the music on the stage. Can't use cash....no actual tickets, can't smoke in the venue.....can't vape......bouncers on the doors, bag searches, everyone on a smartphone/tickets on the smartphone...........it's a joke.

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  Місяць тому

      Thanks for taking part in the copnversation. Some people might call the gigs you're describing as "safe", but I get your point: there could be a happy medium. Cheers!

  • @mowler8042
    @mowler8042 Місяць тому +3

    It's too expensive for young people to rent a home to all live in and start a band.

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  Місяць тому

      You're probably right but I'm not sure the desire is there in the first place these days. So many others things to do and ways to make a name for yourself. Cheers!

    • @symbiat0
      @symbiat0 Місяць тому +1

      Apple literally has free recording software called Garage Band ? Ever wonder how it got its name ? 🤔

    • @mowler8042
      @mowler8042 Місяць тому

      @@symbiat0well where I live the majority of people go to rental studios that come with amps included that’s another reason bands don’t last is the cost to do this

    • @symbiat0
      @symbiat0 Місяць тому

      @@mowler8042 I’m just saying people would borrow someone’s garage or make some kind of deal to be able to use it. Buying your own amp is cheaper than renting a studio. But I think the cost is a red herring since all music requires money for gear: I think really the “charts” are mostly pop, hip hop and Latin and dominated by female artists and those two things are not unrelated…

  • @stereofidelic67
    @stereofidelic67 Місяць тому +1

    Every time you try and think of a huge 90s Rock band, stop thinking of bloody Oasis. Think... The Verve.

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  Місяць тому

      Haha! I would love to but the media all around me won't let me!
      Thanks for commenting and for watching. Cheers!

    • @az4455
      @az4455 Місяць тому

      Oasis were and are bigger than the verve. Maybe that's why? Jesus wept.

  • @paulfranklin8636
    @paulfranklin8636 Місяць тому +1

    Are we take it you failed to notice Foo Fighters, Green Day, Eagles, AC/DC and others have been touring this year...strikes me you're stuck in the past sweetheart....and yes I saw King Crimson, Free, iron Butterlfy & ELP among others back in the 70s

    • @JimDriver
      @JimDriver  Місяць тому

      Not sure Ac/DC (1973), Green Day (1987), The Eagles (1971), and Foo Fighters (1994) come after Oasis, who played their first stadium tour in 1996., but I thank you for your contribution. Incidentally, Eagles are featured in the video. I hope you subscribed… 😎
      Cheers!