Vermintide 2: Shade "Doublestrike" Build

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  • @ViciousSatsuma
    @ViciousSatsuma 2 роки тому +33

    Speaking of monster killing, we should also give a shout out to the additional option of taking exquisite huntress combined with volley crossbow. Works a treat if you can get the headshots.

    • @WetMagic
      @WetMagic  2 роки тому +7

      Oh nice. I had not even considered that. I will definitely try it out.

  • @maxducks2001
    @maxducks2001 2 роки тому +49

    I would much rather have it so that you can still get stealth if you just block and dodge, but you only get crits if you parry. Then at least it would make Shade half-viable for anyone who isn’t the host.

  • @Ropetrick6
    @Ropetrick6 2 роки тому +34

    I am disappointed that the only way to get invisibility for many people now depends on them being the host, definitely decreases the viability of the career for 3/4 of the players.

    • @furner837
      @furner837 2 роки тому +4

      Then don't use the mechanic and you still end up with a class that's stronger than both shade in the previous patch and all the other elf careers. The headshot talent (which was always the best one for cata and above) got buffed, the ulti got crazy buffed on both anti boss and anti elite version. If you completely ignore the parry mechanic you and other players will have to play something that's only a bit stronger than WHC which is next most broken thing, instead of it being in the tier of its own.

    • @willywonka7932
      @willywonka7932 2 роки тому +7

      @@furner837 lol how is the headshot talent best? You're not a hord ekiller on cata plenty of classes doing a better job at that

  • @angermacfadden2702
    @angermacfadden2702 2 роки тому +7

    Blur is a nice way to get some space if you get cornered so you can get back to the killing once you see those delicious tasty backs.

  • @Guanjyn
    @Guanjyn 2 роки тому +13

    I’ve been having a lot of fun with this build. I do want to say though I feel like she should passively have increased movement speed to help close the gaps to backstab.

  • @prich0382
    @prich0382 2 роки тому +34

    The problem with X action from Parry is that it feels artificial, also the problem is parrying requires timing which is easier when host and gets harder when not host, I'm in the UK and play with some people who are close but the most are in America, some are Canadians and others are even Australians. Ping becomes an issue which this will make playing shade to her full ability harder when not Host

    • @DustdeviIs
      @DustdeviIs 2 роки тому +5

      Literally host

    • @WetMagic
      @WetMagic  2 роки тому +5

      Definitely fair. Ping can be an issue no doubt.

  • @albenotacan2478
    @albenotacan2478 Рік тому

    I'm new to the game and I love playing shade and this guide helped me really well thanks for creating this guide!

  • @prich0382
    @prich0382 2 роки тому +7

    For Longbow on Cata, it may be wise to run Skaven+Infantry then on Charm Skaven *OR* Infantry (Skaven will help with fighting SV or Infantry if you wanna clear Hoard a bit faster and will help with fighting Maulers too) to reach Assassin Body shot breakpoint on Charged shots

  • @Cynndora
    @Cynndora 2 роки тому +19

    The parry perk is useful sure but you have enough stuff to concentrate on in this game already, i don't now need to worry about attempting to parry and then rembering to dodge to stealth. It's also fair to be wary of it because if this perk exists its in place of something else and part of the balance of the class now has to compensate for a perk people don't like to use.
    If it was a talent then i could just not pick it and never worry about it, but it aint.
    Oh and not being the host, have fun with that.

  • @Emperor_Beardo
    @Emperor_Beardo 2 роки тому +4

    Ayyy, I'm not a shade guy but the new changes had me interested in playing, and let me tell you, I've been having a ton on fun with almost this exact build, I just take Bleak Vigour instead to farm temp health on cheeky crits, with the dual daggers and Cloak of Pain you feel like an actual Assassin, doing mad damage! Plus the dodge stealth mechanic is fun to use, and I'm glad they made it optional, because sometimes you want to parry and not stealth, to keep aggro so your team doesn't get surprised while attacking! Also adding a bit of extra challenge for payoff feels nice, I don't often comment on your videos but I watch them all, some of the best Vermintide content on UA-cam, really keeping the community going for a game I love a lot, so thank you!

    • @WetMagic
      @WetMagic  2 роки тому +3

      Thanks bud ❤️ glad you’re enjoying her.

  • @cga6336
    @cga6336 2 роки тому +3

    the passive invis fucked up mino rotation for other people real bad. Shade often goes invis during the 3 chops attack (mino's attack). And mino finishes its last chop on someone else very quickly. Leave no time to react. Usually you pause a little after mino third chop, in case it changes target. But now you have to dodge earlier and it could be the first or second chop depending when the shade goes invis. pain in the butt.

  • @cowuwu1
    @cowuwu1 2 роки тому

    Ah yes in the right direction
    Kills an entire patrol without alerting it

  • @Haiphong778
    @Haiphong778 2 роки тому +2

    I cannot understand the functional difference between Shimmer Strike and Cloak of Pain... And I can't believe there's no conversations turned up on Google search.
    Can anyone help me? Don't they just both put you back into stealth?

    • @mondlypartagejeux1557
      @mondlypartagejeux1557 2 роки тому +1

      in try hard to find it out too, wtf.

    • @donbionicle
      @donbionicle Рік тому +3

      You can chain Shimmer Strike's stealth indefinitely, as long as there are Elites/Specials for you to backstab. Note that this does *not* extend the damage bonus from Infiltrate. Cloak Of Pain guarantees you 2 full Infiltrates for dealing more single-target damage to things you can't OHKO or the option to escape after one backstab.

    • @Haiphong778
      @Haiphong778 Рік тому

      @@donbionicle Ah! Thank you friend c:

  • @jhunt592
    @jhunt592 2 роки тому +5

    What was the change to moonfire?

    • @saverofthehumens
      @saverofthehumens 2 роки тому +5

      Seems kinda shit now, did chaos wastes and it takes about two charged shots to kill a *BLIGHTSTORMER.* One of the weakest specials down there with leeches.

    • @WetMagic
      @WetMagic  2 роки тому +1

      removed the aoe basically

    • @prich0382
      @prich0382 2 роки тому +1

      @@saverofthehumens Uhh no not the "Weakest" whatever you mean by that, HP wise it's tied 2nd highest with Leaches and Gas Rats. Hook Rats have the most, Gunners/Flamers and Assassin's are tied last

    • @prich0382
      @prich0382 2 роки тому +1

      @@WetMagic Oh come on it's a lot more than that, the longer the Charge, the more DoTs and headshots/Crits boost DoT damage

  • @monkeypoo3000
    @monkeypoo3000 2 роки тому +3

    good stats for the crossbow on this build? ik it kinda sucks but I like to use it for dark elf flavor

    • @WetMagic
      @WetMagic  2 роки тому +4

      Probably armor and chaos with exquisite huntress if you’re serious about it.

    • @monkeypoo3000
      @monkeypoo3000 2 роки тому

      @@WetMagic thanks for the feedback I appreciate it! 🙏

  • @lander4048
    @lander4048 2 роки тому +1

    I just saw your vid so horde and crit build still work?

  • @maestro7058
    @maestro7058 Рік тому

    How did you get three blocks aka three shields on your daggers? I have red daggers, all maxed out but have two shields at any time playing shade?

  • @jony_tough
    @jony_tough 2 роки тому +1

    Shade is really got some hips

  • @Dontgankmeplx
    @Dontgankmeplx 2 роки тому +4

    Oh nooo cloak of mists is gone :< Tbh the rework does seem to make shade focused only on boss dmg and Ill play around with it but i did like my s&d cloak of mists and blood drinker front line type build.

    • @WetMagic
      @WetMagic  2 роки тому +1

      There’s at least 3 different ways you can build her that I see. She’s more than just monsters I promise 😁

    • @Dontgankmeplx
      @Dontgankmeplx 2 роки тому +1

      @@WetMagic Good to know, I haven't really experimented with other builds yet so haven't found another good one. Look forward to seeing other build guides for it if you make them :)

  • @pulkmees
    @pulkmees 2 роки тому

    Hope they fix the spear bug? Don't like getting used to bugged weapons.

  • @connorparfrey9191
    @connorparfrey9191 2 роки тому +5

    Watch out for a new grudge mark in chaos wastes brothers
    Infectious frenzy is a middle finger to melee classes
    Can't damage anything when it's active lest you want to hurt yourself

    • @Shinekage
      @Shinekage 2 роки тому

      that plus the cursed aura + rampart seems like utter cancer to deal with.

  • @Newl777
    @Newl777 2 роки тому +3

    finally a rational review, you didn't dissappoint.
    I checked comments on forums, and got annoyed by the constant bitching, which were probably coming from the idiots who are 9/10 of kerrilian players (constantly shooting friendlies, going for kill stealing, consuming all healing items, etc.)

    • @graphicmage
      @graphicmage 2 роки тому +2

      and now you are bitching xD

    • @Newl777
      @Newl777 2 роки тому +1

      @@graphicmage I meant about the update. also there's a significant difference pointing out an annoying behavior, and crying like a toddler, bc they "ruined" their overpowered "fun".

  • @FICKOIFY
    @FICKOIFY 2 роки тому

    I swear I just played with you guys yesterday xD I have been wanting to get back into shade

  • @prich0382
    @prich0382 2 роки тому +4

    Dial Daggers -> Black Cost + Stamina

  • @n4k3d51
    @n4k3d51 2 роки тому +1

    Chain Killer only boost the dmg of a normal attack from behind(backstab), not a charged backstab... so its pretty useless

  • @patnoon5477
    @patnoon5477 2 роки тому

    Endbringer with a swift bow is amazing also

  • @LowkeyySailor
    @LowkeyySailor 2 роки тому +11

    Honestly not liking the new shade re work it forces you to play one role when you can play a aggressive frontline player with the lvl35 crit talent with spear and do heavy damage upfront now she just feels situational

  • @TheSphat
    @TheSphat Рік тому

    We need new builds!!

  • @biblequotesdaily6618
    @biblequotesdaily6618 2 роки тому

    i dont understand why fatshark DIDNT lean more into parries at the beginning of the game. after this update, i've been finding good weapons to stick parry on, and it's pretty clutch. in situations where holding block won't help you, parry can help you stay alive long enough to get out of there, especially on shade with her new perk and grail knight with 20% free extra damage. even without those classes, putting parry on low stamina weapons can negate the need for block cost reduction or stamina regen, as long as you can pass the skill check.

    • @poppinlochnesshopster3249
      @poppinlochnesshopster3249 Рік тому

      Using parry on the shade would be incredibly silly, you become invisible after a parry and dodge, then your stam recharges, why would you throw away swift slaying to not lose stamina that you're about to regain?

  • @REALdavidmiscarriage
    @REALdavidmiscarriage 2 роки тому

    great build agree on everything except for 2 things... I actually think gladerunner is better overall because it is less situational and lets you sneak in to get those elite and special kills faster. What are your thoughts on this? Also I run a volley crossbow instead of aa longbow, you think its a bad choice?

  • @Zheley
    @Zheley 2 роки тому +1

    got the same build but i pick 1 for level 25.

  • @servantofthedivine1484
    @servantofthedivine1484 2 роки тому +1

    Hey wet dont u think blur is a little too short :/

    • @WetMagic
      @WetMagic  2 роки тому

      Maybe a little bit, but remember its not a talent. It’s just a perk. You also have a decent amount of time to dodge after you parry to position yourself.

  • @aerroneousgaming
    @aerroneousgaming 2 роки тому +2

    no no no nooooooooo......dual sword/javelin!!!!! insane kill potential

  • @magdal6006
    @magdal6006 2 роки тому

    Hi, do you have any advice on fast leveling up? Im going to buy this game on PC after a year of playing it on ps4, and i don't really want to sit with low level character for too long

    • @MrSanctuarys
      @MrSanctuarys 2 роки тому

      Im new too but I've been doing recruit runs and chaos runs. Pretty sure exp doesnt scale up on difficulty so you can just spam the lowest difficulty if you want. But chaos mode or whatever is a good break.

    • @magdal6006
      @magdal6006 2 роки тому

      @@MrSanctuarys well you get more exp for higher difficulty

    • @MrSanctuarys
      @MrSanctuarys 2 роки тому +1

      @@magdal6006 nah you just get better loot

  • @BloodM3ss
    @BloodM3ss 2 роки тому +4

    1hs sword isnt bad :) but as 3rd weapon try spear it gives better push/block arcs , dodges , dmg , wide arc sweep on pushblock & charged & reach adventage ;) & it's much easier to use for most people that start the game or arent as much experienced. Imo it's a lot better choice if you are not into 2xdaggers or s&d .
    Shade is a beast now... again ;)
    Especially if you have IB in team that got taunt monsters on ult = you get max dmg output from backstabbing bonus dmg & a lot of safety with agro not changing for a period of time ;)
    Best duo ;)

    • @prich0382
      @prich0382 2 роки тому +3

      Shades kits kinda pushes you to use Dual Daggers and maybe Sword and Dagger to get the most out of her. Her double Ult is best with Dual Daggers as both Heavy Attacks are exactly the same damage wise and is terribly with any other weapon for max damage potential wise. Even non double Ult build kinda asks for something again like Dual Daggers or Sword and Dagger cus of the whole charged backstab Crits are insta kills which is fastest on Dual Daggers. They kinda killed weapon diversity on here tbh even more so then she used to be.

    • @BloodM3ss
      @BloodM3ss 2 роки тому

      @@prich0382 Yeah but she was like that from the start... it's not like she neads any other weapons anyway. I also play her like 85% of time wielding dual daggers & yes 6-3 is really nice for monsters & that's what she nead to do kill them asap that they can be deleted from list of things to watch for as potential threat.
      but I like more using now her with the 6-1 as it gives you more potential usage as I never like to be playing with like only 1 main focus target... it's not efficient :) & the 6-1 gives you more possibilities also usually you dont even nead to ult for monsters with the 100% dmg + 50% on strong attacks bonus & all other buffs kinda using ult only when you really nead it or when there is nead of really fast kill something annoying. You know i really hate people who spam ults to much especially staggering ones they just change agro in the way that can fuck up other teammates ; yeah how many times you get smack by something becosue your teammate changed agro or lost agro by invis prox/ult? ;) or at least say you go invis always before ult if they are smart they will know what to do if they dont then... they will learn hard way.

    • @LowkeyySailor
      @LowkeyySailor 2 роки тому +1

      @@prich0382 yup feels like your forced to use the daggers when I always played spear with her and lvl.35 crit talent for 4 seconds was always my go to and was actually rlly strong pared with bleed affect talent for moon bow , and now moon bow is a lot weaker

  • @NoName-py5xs
    @NoName-py5xs 2 роки тому +3

    Another huge factor why Natural Bond is the best its cuz you can survive overhead or any hit that will usually take 100% of ur HP and will leave you on 1 hp, wich is probably the best hidden feature of it

    • @Nicadimos
      @Nicadimos 2 роки тому +2

      That's not at all how NatBond works.

    • @NoName-py5xs
      @NoName-py5xs 2 роки тому

      ​@@Nicadimos it is, equip it and take chaos warrior overhead, it has saved me more than once so i can definetly assure you it does ( if you are on 100% health tho ), u stay alive on 1 hp :D but the game doesnt tell you about that

    • @brendanclark1058
      @brendanclark1058 2 роки тому

      @@Nicadimos I’m pretty sure he’s right on that mark

  • @theguardian1993
    @theguardian1993 2 роки тому +3

    Excellent changes!!

  • @Izigurand
    @Izigurand 2 роки тому +2

    They removed the crits so she’s dead to me, the 2nd lvl 30 talent is so horrible.

  • @mondlypartagejeux1557
    @mondlypartagejeux1557 2 роки тому

    why blocking and doging does nothing at all ?

    • @dk0bl1v10n
      @dk0bl1v10n Рік тому +1

      an enemy has to hit you block

    • @mondlypartagejeux1557
      @mondlypartagejeux1557 Рік тому

      @@dk0bl1v10n even tried perfect timing, idk that should make me invis? Also tried to bind just evade key as both jump and evade are bound to the same key.

    • @dk0bl1v10n
      @dk0bl1v10n Рік тому

      @@mondlypartagejeux1557 whenever you hear the "PING" from the hit on your block, you have about half a second to doge to either side and it should work, i have soloed and survived bosses this way

  • @twixtwix2915
    @twixtwix2915 2 роки тому

    Why run concoction it just looks like your making your ability to use purple pots a lot worse

  • @Yougosha1
    @Yougosha1 2 роки тому

    Doubling the cool down time on her class ability seems excessive. Also tuning any class to nuke monsters better isn't necessary. I hope they don't nerf everything that works. What's next?

  • @devinsweeting4978
    @devinsweeting4978 2 роки тому +2

    I feel like you're sleeping on Shade with the greatsword. The charged ultimates do great against monsters and something I've noticed is that for Spring-Heeled assassin the increase in movement speed also increases your attack speed.

    • @poppinlochnesshopster3249
      @poppinlochnesshopster3249 Рік тому

      You have swift slaying on your weapon, that procs from a crit. That's the increase in attack speed you're seeing.

  • @vortraz2054
    @vortraz2054 2 роки тому

    Yes hello, im a game dev and il make this quick Im not explaining, Exploit Weakness, Smiter. The base crit damage appears to be "Base +50%" AND cruelty appears to be only 50% of that, so actual value of cruelty, correct me if im wrong, appears to only be +25% of your base damage tacked on. THIS I think is why people go to test Crit power and say what is this goofy shit it doesnt scale. I would rather take exploit and smiter and hit more breakpoints.

  • @DrEvil-os9dc
    @DrEvil-os9dc Рік тому

    People might hate on crit power but it’s so good and so under utilized. It’s almost OP on the Witch Hunter.

  • @demonaddicted
    @demonaddicted 2 роки тому

    lol do y’all just have shitty wifi? i hardly ever host and never have an issue with ping or even parrying for that matter lol

  • @stephenemmonds
    @stephenemmonds 2 роки тому +4

    Ugh, why nerf to the Moonfire bow, it was my favourite Shade range weapon. It's a premium weapon, via a paid for weapons pack. It's supposed to be slightly OP compared to non premium weapons. I'm not a Kerillian mains, infact she's probably my least played class, but taking away all the fun from the Moonfire Bow isn't helping the game balance in my opinion. It's as if they don't want us to have nice things anymore, but hey, we'll make you pay for it though...

    • @mikelms20
      @mikelms20 2 роки тому +11

      Sorry mate, even compared to the other dlc weapons it had too much kick for its buck.
      That is paid should not mean its more powerful, just different and fun; Im sorry they nerfed your crutch that was hurting the fun for other players.
      -a slayer main tired of ranged killing everything

    • @ViciousSatsuma
      @ViciousSatsuma 2 роки тому +7

      DLC weapons aren't meant to be op, this is not that kind of game.

    • @stephenemmonds
      @stephenemmonds 2 роки тому +1

      @@ViciousSatsuma Why, do you not enjoy having fun playing games? It was fun, now it's not. Quite simple really... Like Wet said, might aswell take the Longbow over the Moonbow now.

    • @WetMagic
      @WetMagic  2 роки тому +5

      The moonbow in my view should have been a mix between longbow and hagbane, but worse than both. I think they could have left the cloud but removed the stagger and lowered the damage alot and it would have been fine. Now its like a monster only weapon.
      It definitely need a nerf though. Was way too strong.

    • @ViciousSatsuma
      @ViciousSatsuma 2 роки тому +2

      @@stephenemmonds I'm not saying they should make the moonbow terrible or unfun. It should be viable, as all weapons should be. I just don't agree the dlc weapons should be op.

  • @Koyu_Ruh
    @Koyu_Ruh 2 роки тому

    You know. . . All I saw before was crying about the nerf of the moonbow and how they nerfed shade - when in reality they made her more powerful and reliable than ever. Back then you had to get backstabs to stay invisible, which won't help you much if you're getting swarmed by a horde without your ability, now all you have to do is to parry an attack, dodge and you can easily escape sticky situations. Cloak of pain was my favorite option before, but now even more so. I think shade is now at her strongest version yet.

  • @devilsmessanger
    @devilsmessanger 2 роки тому +1

    i have to say I strongly dislike her second passive and her overall rework=nerf . she is weak and more squishy version of her old self. no more stealth on backstab means she is focus of more aggro . Blur gets used grand total of never and most of her new talents are just plain boring . no reason to not play Shieldmaiden instead . and SoT is even more plain .