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But after watching your channel i have started to think logically and understand what really lucid dreaming is and its wonderfull our brain couinsciousness are amzing and you are amazing too.
Can confirm this is doo doo. In a vivid dream I had a realization that “I am dreaming” and became conscious and was able to control my body. Everything looked so real I actually didn’t believe I was dreaming. I tried the finger poke and it didn’t go through my hand. I ended up using the nose pinch but still wasn’t convinced even though it worked. It wasn’t until I looked at my hands and they looked like alligator feet that I truly believed I was dreaming. Lucid dreaming is intense. I never believed I would confuse the dream world with waking life while I have conscious control of my thoughts and actions. Your approach to reality checks makes perfect sense to me after having experienced it. On another note, I normally do the digital watch test. Ironically, in my dream, my watch had been stolen. That was one of many bizarre events that made me realize I was dreaming. It forced me to resort to those other tests though because I didn’t have my watch in the dream world.
Gave up on lucid dreaming and the world of dreams in general, but this is the type of information that will definitely get me and many others back into the game. Thanks man
I gave up. I did ~50 RCs a day. Tried almost every single one of those techniques (MILD, FILD etc) and no luck. I’ve read that beginners book thats suggested by all dreamers and I have over a year of dream logs. I try for several months at a time then stop. I might try again but I lose hope every time.
Same here bro. I really wanted snd needed to lucid dream. I desperately wanted to have a better life and all. Buuuut after ages of trying to lucid dream I gave up. Starting back slowly. Like I've been finding reality checks hard. Because I'm always super busy with college that I am always out of it, of ya know what I mean. When I do relate check I always I'm the thought of. Ik this is real but I'm gonna check to get the routine. But still fail at that lol
I am 62 years old today and have been lucid dreaming sense childhood. It just has always been that way for me. Not to say that all my dreams are lucid. Recently my lucid dreams took a huge leap forward after I happened to put an old red lava lamp on a dresser in my bedroom to provide some low light in case I need to get up in the dark. although it provides a dim light it is not visible with my eyes closed. I have never made it a practice to lucid dream. Now here is where it gets strange... The first night I had that lamp on I had a very long lucid dream. I met another person and we both knew we were dreaming. My sure-fire dream check is always to touch something. Feel its texture, so I asked to hold her hand. She was real to me. We talked for a long time and agreed to look for each other in the future. We call it the dream scape. It's been about two weeks now and we have met two times. It's fantastic and so much more real than my reality. New sub here. I wonder if anyone else has ever had this experience? Have a great day!
Scotty, that’s really cool, man. I might have to get a red lava lamp 😃. How’s it going with your dreamscape friend? I want an update if you wouldn’t mind sharing.
it worked for me few times 😁 once i put my finger through my palm hand and on the other side an octopus tentacle started to emerge , that was pretty cool ! and pretty indicative 👽✌️
Hi, I've attempted tons of Reality Checks or Tests whatsoever, counting fingers or putting my finger through my hand barely failed me, BUT in rare occasions it actually did fail. When I try the test that you were talking about it NEVER failed me not even once, and that's one of the reasons I actually do that one a lot, also because it's a little bit more easy to do in front of people (I just go ahead and make them think I'm about to sneeze when I'm actually doing a RC), again, a great video as always
I did the finger through palm realty test for a long time and only got lucid once doing it in a dream. It was really cool, though. The skin of my hand started to tent elastically around my finger until my finger popped painlessly out the other side of my skin. Very sensational. Then I asked a nearby dream character what I had to do to get lucid every night (since he was a projection of my subconscious I thought he would have the intel) and he kind of got really awkward and stuttered something about having to go somewhere. Then he ran behind and employee’s only door and like a dingus I DIDN’T FOLLOW HIM! I always wonder what was behind that door. PSA for all you fledgling oneironauts: rules do not apply in your dreams!! Go and do whatever you want. Follow your curiosity.
On my first lucid dream I tried the finger-through-palm test and my finger didn't go through my palm at ALL. No matter how hard I tried my finger wasn't going through. I was even close to waking up. I got at least a plop sound when I gave up and pulled out my finger.
Daniel, this was so helpful, thank you. I've been dream journal and being very conscious observant in waking life for several weeks now, but was doing the finger through palm method. I started doing the nose pinch method a few days ago and had a lucid dream LAST NIGHT. Thank you!
Really excellent presentation which will save me wasting time on reality tests which are not very reliable. Thanks for sharing this valuable information.
Thanks for all these great videos! I've been doing this for a couple Weeks, and so far the Nose Pinching is what seems to work best for me (For the two (maybe a third time briefly) times I've got Lucid Dreams.) the first time it happened I looked at my Hands, and saw extra little Fingers growing, but Pinching my Nose is what really made me realize. Then I had another Lucid Dream a couple Nights ago, and it was the same thing where Nose Pinching got me Lucid, in that Dream I did remember to try the Finger through Palm thingy afterwards just to see how it would work, and it did go through, but Nose Pinching, and checking my Hands is my go to Reality Test. I've even taken to Nose Pinching whenever I wake up as a lot of times I get a "False Awakening" or whatever its called (each time I've Lucid dreamed it happened a couple times before I actually woke up.) and I immediately know I'm still Dreaming when I do that as I can't really check my Fingers in the Dark.
ho my god, i have been using the finger through the palm for over a whole month for nothing !!! Well now i will stop and i thank you for that. I will mostly do the pinch of the nose and looking at the time on my cell phone because i do not have a digital watch. Thank you sooo much for this Daniel ;)
When I first started, I used the finger through palm test but soon switched to counting my fingers, which got me my first lucid dream. I now just do the nose pinch and text change tests and they haven't failed!
Hello dear lucid dreamer, I'd like to tell you thanks, because I'm french lucid dreamer and I progress in lucid dreams with yours techniques, and I learn english in the same time :)
I did the test a few times once I was lucid, just for fun. I'd say it worked 50/50. Sometimes I felt kind of a pain, sometimes nothing. But I agree absolutely. It's fun but not good for becoming lucid. In 99.9% I become lucid with the nose pinch test. Thank you for the video! A cute little Cosmøtron for you and every member of the channel
Ok, but, why the hypnotic spiral? I'm just asking because if I wasn't writing down notes, it might have drawn in my attention more, which is saying a lot! Great video as always. I apologize beforehand if my grammar is off (college started back up and my brain is fried from the multiple syllabus I've had to listen to), but, I'll consider "Introduction to Lucid Dreaming" a third class today! I used to do finger through palm and the counting fingers reality test as my only two tests and they worked fine a majority of the time they were preformed in a dream, up around 70-75%. Since maybe 4 months ago, I started adding on more tests (looking around my surroundings, remembering my day) since they still held affective and then 2 more (nose pinch, clock test) a month or two ago. Old habits die hard as, even though I've changed the order to nose pinch first, in almost every lucid I've had since the changes, I've done the finger tests first. Even though they have held up somewhat good, they have started becoming a bit harder to actually see, as I could have a shorter finger or more fingers but doubt my own view. This course be due to negative expectations, but, I have found that the times where I've done more reliable tests, they've worked 100%, though 1/1 times isn't a monumental number. Anyway, great video today! My brain is absolutely fried right now, so, I'll cut it somewhat short today! Keep up the work!
I believe this already have helped me, as I just woke up from a lucid dream. I got lucid by looking at my hands (my main check now, that replaced Finger through palm). I need to get used to it though 'cause I got pretty shocked when I saw how different my dream hands were from my normal hands. (even if I have looked at my hands before in my dreams and they always are different, but I've just started practicing again after a long break). Thanks a lot all the information you are sharing
Not really. Ideally the longer you can spend sleeping the higher your chances (due to more REM). I would recommend against going to bed too late. Early to bed does seem to equate to more lucidity for many people.
i never tried the finger through palm and mostly just used the counting fingers which has worked for me twice (that’s all the lucid dreams i’ve had tho😞) but i have recently been doing that and the nose one but no success yet i think i’ve had two dreams that felt like lucid dreams but i’m not sure so i’m thinking no also off topic but every time i’ve gotten lucid it’s been in my room even in the fake lucid dreams
Yes! Many times I've been in a dream where my palm through the hand definitely worked and went through or became elongated. But I just continued as normal without gaining the slap of clarity that I so desperately wanted, thank you so much I'm excited to try again.
Sound logic there, Daniel! I was originally shown to use finger counting, and technically it has worked a number of times, but I think there's always been some other strange thing that has happened first to make me lucid, and the missing or extra fingers have just been further confirmation. I wonder how many lucid opportunities I've missed because of having the correct number of fingers in a dream. It's a hard habit to break, but now I'm forming a new habit of looking for wonky text & it works well. I've started doing nose pinch tests too, but I have yet to actually do it in a dream.
I do believe that it is possible when dream control is high or I constantly imagine and believe that it is let's say always working. Anyway ...when Ive been chased by a group of people I was super stressed and tried to get my finger through my palm to get lucid ( or to get power? I needed an confirmation that I am actually dreaming) and it didn't worked! ....so I kept running away ...so stressful. I guess it was because I was so stressed....normally I always imagine it to go through my palm or at least disappear. I am used to walk through walls in dreams....so no mental barrier there. Anyway since then I shifted my focus on the pinch ya nose thing. Definitely needed a more reliable test. And your video came right on time.
It’s quite unfortunate how far and wide this reality test has spread, isn’t it? Good to see twaddle being corrected as usual. Weird how many techniques involve fingers in general though… 🤔
I use two things… i look at my hand and if I have more or less fingers, or if they look different. Or I plug both of the holes in my nose and try to breath through them. If I breath through my nose I’m dreaming Edit: Wow thats funny he used the nose thing i said but the hand one works really good too worked every time
I have always been able to fly in all my dreams ! Also can leap from any height and Hoover long distances. It’s finding a functional toilet and reaching the brake pedal that haunts my dreams ! I’ll try the nose pinch !
Me too! I can never find a functional toilet in my dreams! 😂 They're always broken or filthy or the doors doesn't close or there are no doors whatsoever, or there is no hole in it, or it's made of pillows or I can't reach it or something like that. When I realized that I frequently dream about the toilets (😜😆) I started doing reality checks every time whilst visiting one in waking life. A day or two later- I managed to push my finger through my palm and became lucid. But the first time it didn't work, yet I thought I should check again, just in case the first trial went wrong and it worked! 😀
The first reality test I started using was the finger through palm obviously. It's been pretty reliable for me, but it fails me for a completely different reason. I tend to show it to dream characters and even though the results are clearly working, I'm too immersed in the plot showing the dream characters and continue with non-lucidity. Even if my finger doesn't go through right away, my hand always feels very spongy in a dream and like it's going to work, so it eventually works for that reason. I'm always showing dream characters reality tests and not getting lucid for that reason. This is why the mindset is critical! Even with the optical reality check, I would be getting people to perceive my vision in first person so they could see the lack of blinking in my vision, and I would continue with the non-lucidity there too! I just need to pay attention (your keyword) to the results so I can actually interpret them! I recently made it so my first test is whether I'm interacting with anyone, because that's where I'm always failing and it's all the more reason to pay more attention to the tests if I am! Same with if I'm struggling to remember the binary technique. I associate a time to make the memory more distinct, but I sometimes forget what time I associated only in dreams. I've been trying to practice in conversations, which is even more difficult than normal because of my hard of hearing and having to piece most things together with context (only hear like 30% of sentences on average, oftentimes less), and practicing that seems to help so far!
I've been testing around with those dreams lately and last night I had one I didn't notice how I was in a dream until I finally did my reality check and I wave my hand in front of my face and it turned out I had like six or seven fingers I cannot remember I wrote this dream down in a dream journal and will not forget
Throughout most of my lucid dreaming career, I've used the finger counting technique. I know you've said it can be unreliable but it has gotten me lucid many times and only failed one time so far. If I had to theorize, I would guess that my expectation (originally learned years ago from twaddle merchants) causes it to work for me more than it should. I am also very thorough when I test so even if it fails, that probably isn't going to be the deciding factor for lucidity
Coming back to say that this trick works! I tried the finger through palm thing for about a year and I never became lucid. A few days after watching this video I performed the check in a dream and became lucid! It wasn’t much, the only thing I remember is doing it over and over again, feeling myself breathe.
Hi, I have been practicing lucid dreaming for about two years and a half now (with ups and downs) and for personals reasons I had to take a break (it’s been about a month now). I plan to restart practicing in a week, do you have any advices on how I should restart to be efficient ? By the way, I find your channel really great for lucid dreaming, I really like the scientific approach (I think it’s really important for a subject like this one) ! PS : Sorry for my English, I’m french
Oh that's impossible to answer in a single comment. I'd suggest that you watch some of the guide videos here on the channel, as that should give you a good (and free) refresher course on where best to focus your efforts. If you really want to take things seriously, maybe consider reading my book "Are You Dreaming?" which should give you everything you could possibly need to get started. (I apologize if that sounds like a sales pitch, it's not entirely, as my book is probably the most efficient way to get as much information as possible). I hope that helps. I recently discovered I'm about 50% French in my heritage, so it's great to have a French viewer. Also, France was the country that produced the world's very first book on lucid dreaming!
@@DanielLoveOrg Thank you for the answer ! And I already read your about a year ago, I discovered you like that, but it could be good idea to read it again to refresh my mind !
I still use the finger-through-palm test, but I also use the nose pinch test and the digital clock test and look at the environment around me to check if it's logical :)
The finger though palm has indeed failed me, so thanks for this video so that I won't waste more time on it. I'm going to try the pinching nose and instead of digital watch (I don't wear a watch so I guess this wouldn't work for me) I'll read the time or some text on my phone or laptop and see if that is stable.
That's why it didn't work! Thank you very much, this is SO helpful! It's funny, I had two occasions (in the same night), where I was noticing inside the dreams that something was weird and I did this, and it didn't work, but that then triggered me to do the nose pinch test. I didn't quite get there, though. So, I guess it was more like a pseudo-lucid dream? Again, thank you so much for sharing!
I have never had the pinch the nose test fail except for when I was so thoughtless as to think that breathing through my nose meant that I was *not dreaming.
I've been using the finger through palm test for a few months now and it's worked only one time for me. The first time I used it on a dream it didn't go through my palm. I remember feeling how my finger touched my palm and thinking "oh my, I'm awake" so I kept on with my dream until I woke up and realized I was actually dreaming. The second time it actually worked, although it was hard and I lost lucidity almost in an instant. The next lucid dream I had it didn't work again, but I tried counting my fingers an managed to convince myself I was dreaming (lol). So yeah, as you said, it's not like the method doesn't work, but at least for me it's not as reliable as other reality tests
what are your opinions on the reality check of counting your fingers? for me it has worked everytime, except one time where i counted my fingers wrong, and upon recalling the dream i noticed i had about 8 fingers on my hand, fortunately i was still able to get lucid by using the nose pinch test which i always use after the finger counting reality test
I was in a lucid dream that I entered via sleep paralysis and I was about 3-5 minutes in the dream and I was doing reality checks to build the habbit in the dream and I did the finger threw the palm one and it failed. I just thought I'd share that. I'm still learning how to lucid dream regularly.
It is curious, 'cause i already know that something was wrong, but i had no idea about the ilogical reason of this Reality Check. Thank you for confirming that, you saved me! The only moment that it worked for me was this morning during a dream , and when i was going to do this Reality Check, my left index finger couldn't pass trought the hand, but something happened at the same time : it cames transparent , and then i realized i was dreaming. (this is only a part of the story). By the way, i have a question to all of you about this topic : which Ckecks like pinch your nose or see the watch do already know about (how many else) ?
Is breathing in your dreams synced with your physical body breathing? I also want to ask about the finger counting reality check, I'm guessing it isn't as unreliable since it's how I got lucid in most of my lucid dreams.
Yes, on the whole eye movements and breathing are synchronized in REM, neither of these muscle groups enter paralysis. The finger counting test is a stability test, so similar to the text and digital watch tests. Fingers will be a little less reliable for a test, as they should be more stable due our mind having a strong model of our hands.
@@jonny3003 Quite right, but it is the diaphragm that is responsible for breathing, while other voluntary muscles enter paralysis (due to the actions of a neurotransmitter called glycine). With the exception of eye movements. However, the diaphragm exists in an unusual space as far as muscles go, being both voluntary and involuntary, which is why you will notice changes in breathing patterns for subjects in REM (and the familiar panting and gasping for air that occurs during nightmares). However, in other stages of sleep, the diaphragm reverts to a more involuntary process. In practical terms, this equates to us being able to use the nose pinch as a reliable test. It is also why holding one's breath in a dream is a good means to rapidly awaken.
The counting fingers technique works flowless for me, and not because there are too many fingers but because every time there is something wrong with them, like bending in weird ways, last time the thumb was too short.
You are absolutely right, for me the finger through palm test have always failed. However there is another test that I always perform afterwards, which is just looking at tha palms of my hands. In my dreams I see that I have hands on my finger tips. Or some times I have more or less fingers and sometimes my fingers split to multiple fingers.
I never used the finger through palm technique mostly because I've never had a dream where I phased through anything physical. It didn't make sense to me with the way my dreams are structured tbh. Now the one that's almost always worked for me is counting my fingers, not 100% reliable but almost every lucid dream I've had has been gotten through that check. Even though I do the nose pinch check irl, I always do it after the finger check so I've never actually needed to use it after the first check works. Funny thing is though, even though my brain is frankly horrible with finger consistency (I had fuckin 15 on one hand once), it will still find ways to trick me. Once I had tried checking my hand and thought I counted 5 only to realize my middle finger was actually two fingers braided together.
I had a dream of me flying in a gym, then these basketball players saw me do it and they formed a line one after another jumping/floating in the air lol. I was in the top corner of the gym realizing that this is a dream laughing lol
I like that - to have the "the detective mindset". Was maybe not doing this enough - I have been doing reality checks but not always asking myself if I'm dreaming. Since this evening whenever something changes - like I feel my mind has been wandering then I ask myself if I'm dreaming and do the reality check. Then if it's clear I'm not dreaming I conclude to myself that I'm not dreaming. What do you think of that?
Thanks for this video 👍 After watching it yesterday the first time and training the nose pinch RC throughout the day, I got lucid this night with exactly this RC. Amazing and funny. I had a nice flight 😄 By the way, the first RC with looking at my hands fooled me. Then I remembered the nose pinch test. 👃
Congratulations! Really glad to see this paying off for you. It's always wonderful to see when people get results from these more reliable tests! Keep up the good work
I've tried using this as a "confirmation RT", when I already felt pretty sure that I was dreaming. But the idea of the finger going though skin, flesh and bone grossed me out so much that I almost wanted to wake up immediately, just to make sure it wouldn't work. (Why? When she was a child, a friend of mine wanted to spear a piece of bread with a raclette skewer. Because the bread had a very thick crust, the skewer did not want to go through. So she held the bread in the palm of one hand and pushed the skewer against it as hard as she could with the other... It did not just go INTO the hand, it went THROUGH.) After this cheerful little story, let me say: I never realized WHY this test is so unreliable, but it makes a lot of sense! I did not consider that you'd need dream control, which is a conundrum.
Thank you. In the first week of working on lucid dreaming I used this method beside the nose pinching method - glad you stopped me 😅 BTW, I had 3 (or better said 2.5, I fell out of lucidity last time…) lucid dreams now. And twice I got lucid without any reality check. I kinda forgot about it. Is that bad?
I’ve used the finger test in my checks, but never as the primary test, it’s always one of a battery of tests in addition to nose pinch, recounting my steps, text/color shift, etc. Is there any harm in having it as one of many, or would it be better to drop it as a waste of time? Also you mentioned being unable to control your dreams when not lucid, would you classify expectations shaping the directions and outcomes of dreams as a form of non-lucid control? I’ve had that happen multiple times ranging from what’s said next in conversations to outcomes of events. It’s mostly something recognized after the fact, but it’s a pattern I keep seeing popping up.
Its not that it cannot work but that it is very unreliable. And reliability is absolutely vital with reality checks. If a test is only 20% reliable, imagine how.l many chances for lucidity you'll miss. It also means 80% your daytime effort training to remember to do it is wasted.
hello please don't screw me over like explore lucid dreaming did. i trust you... anyways hello im currently keeping my dreams in a PHYSICAL book that i like . should i continue or should i type my dreams on my phone/laptop. what do you recommend?
I would always recommend a physical dream journal over a digital journal. Both are useful, but a physical journal seems to be more effective for most. Plust it creates a more substantial connection to the dream world that digital content just can't. Much in the way that a physical letter is a far more personal item than an email.
I remembered I had a dream where I was playing on my switch but I kept on getting logged out of my account so I did the palm Reality check and it did not work
yesterday i had a vivid scary dream and was getting lucid, i thought it was all not real because it was too scary and i wanted to be in a dream rather than live as it was real. i realy thought i was dreaming but then i did the infamous Finger in palm check and it failed me like it always did when i doing this check. its always when i try this reality check that it wont work. also, afraid of pincing my nose in a dream since i think it would mean that i'm not breathing in reallife. the check that went well the last time (that was years ago so i'm now getting back into it, since this year) was looking at my phone and seeing different numbers. the dream had a sicking dark uneasy feeling, and i was getting to panick mode and was afraid because the world is going to end with black clouds and black snow and some intense yellow lightning. all because an Ice Godess was dying on the scene and she got all the force of her life getting this storm and lightning together and it went like the World was going to End. there were three other women besides me (i'm a guy so i think i know where this sign comes from...) and they said its not possible that its a dream. i said otherwise but when the finger in palm trick didnt work i immediately stopped believing that i was dreaming and it went normal Scary Dream again; not soon after i woke up because the dream fell apart in blackness. i was so frustrated when i got up because i Was lucid for one second but because the realitycheck failed on me I was not convinced that i was dreaming anymore and the girls said so as well that it was infact real. lol. next time i check for my nose or maybe watching the clock on my phone (i dont have a watch anymore) and rewatching it afterwards, maybe that 'll help.
I've been practising lucid dreaming for over an year as of now and I get atleast 1 lucid dream [about 3 minutes long on average] every month! This took a lot so hang in there dreamers, and my favourite reality check is looking at text/pictures/wtv, looking away and then looking back to see if anything changed. this always works for me!
A few years ago when I was young( still am) I always wondered if it was possible to control you dreams. So for like 1or 2 months straight I would try so much brain power before I went to sleep to reslize if I was dreaming or not. And when I did I tried to move but the dream like talked to me and someone said stop. About 3 days later I could control. I was able to control them for like one to 3 weeks. I never did anything crazy though. Just moved around really. Is all I have to do is imagine something. Like flying? If I go back to lucid dreaming I want to do cool things. Such as flying.
I came to this video after waking up from a nap where I had dreamed about doing the finger through palm reality check and since I had already done it so many times my brain just kinda assumed that... I wasn't dreaming. Even in my dream I could feel time slow down around me and I was thinking, "okay, you are about to lucid dream for the first time. this is your moment. you HAVE to check" and I tried it like 3 times, nothing happened and I woke up. Kinda pissed about it but I guess I should've known better
THE VERY FIRST TIME I LUCID DREAMED I TRIED THE FINGER-THROUGH-HAND METHOD EVERY 30 MINUTES (WHILE I WAS AWAKE, OBVIOUSLY)...I DID IT FOR MAYBE 2 DAYS?..WHEN PRACTICING THIS METHOD I EXPECTED TO BE ABLE TO PUSH MY FINGER THROUGH MY PALM IN MY DREAM AND BECOME LUCID. BUT WHEN I LUCID DREAMED THE VERY FIRST TIME, I WAS LOOKING AT MY HAND AND WHEN I WENT TO PUT MY FINGER ON MY PALM I REALISED THAT MY HAND WAS GLOWING. WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, I HAD AN EXTRA PINKY. BUT IT WAS COMPLETELY GLOWING...THAT'S HOW I KNEW I WAS DREAMING. ALTHOUGH THE METHOD DIDN'T HAVE THE OUTCOME I WAS EXPECTING, I STILL MANAGED TO BECOME LUCID NONETHELESS. SO, I CANNOT AGREE WITH THIS VIDEO. THE METHOD WAS NOT A WASTE OF TIME FOR ME.
I'm pretty sure this was my first lucid dream suddenly in the middle of a dream* "hmm... I feel weird... I'll just do a reality check real quick." Counts fingers but there's 7 on one hand.* "... I'M LUCID DREAMING-" Wakes up* "Dang it!"
When it comes to lucid dreaming mantras is it a bad thing to use a different mantra every night? Will that lessen the chances of each one working? If you use the same mantra for let's say a week will it be more effective as the nights pass? I know they can loose effectiveness after a long while.
Not only is a bad reality test but it is also a very unpleasant one I think . I used to perform it, together with other tests, and I used to find resistance and some pain, as well as weird effects with my "dream flesh" when the finger finally went through. I guess my mind respects the integrity of my body even in dreams.
Now this is pretty funny, I was dreaming and i was sitting down on my couch playing a game, and I was trying to do the nose pinch test in my dream, but then my brother interrupted me and i didn't do the test, I was so close 😂
I have major clashes with reality checks. I've always come to realize them in a dream, but I fool myself into thinking that it's not a dream. The bad thing is that I realized that reality checks do not help me much, the good thing is that I discovered that I am my own worst enemy 🤣
You've missed a question in the previous stream: Honestly I feel a bit indecent for calling you Daniel and not asking if you don't mind or prefer being called mister Love. I am 19 years old and should've asked first, so do you mind me calling you Daniel? Sorry for asking again, but I value decency and I think we should all have respect, also on the internet. For me, that's a part of being a humble and decent person and dreamer.
@@DanielLoveOrg Yes, I've seen that. This is my response: Well, calling you Daniel sounds a bit more informal, so I'll call you Daniel. And you don't have to apologise for UA-cam's stupid systems, asking twice is not a problem at all!
Now i do this test but it's very much secondary. It has worked every single time but usually i was already lucid since the nose pinch method is my main thing. But yeah it's very secondary because I already knew it was pretty unreliable.
Yes it is likely to work if you are already lucid, but as a means to get lucid it is far too unreliable. If anything, it could be considered a "dream control test" rather than a reality test.
@@DanielLoveOrg i definetly agree. i think it is more of a control test. But i need to ask, when i get lucid, it's usually just a click and then i do the reality check and not i do the reality check and then it clicks. Is this unusual?
I agree, it's very frustrating. The problem seems to be that a lot of people with no training in psychology or background in the subject decide they want to call themselves lucid dream experts and then unthinkingly just copy content the first websites they stumble across. The best advice I can give is stick to reputable sources rather than influencers
It's depends a lot on the individual, but I'd generally classify it as mid-range reliable for most people, as it's a stability test and the results can vary a lot depending on the nature of the dream. It's a lot less reliable than the nose-pinch test which is based on a more objective set of criteria.
You are clearly very knowledgeable on the subject of LD. Why do you so often criticise all the other teachers, implying you are the best source. There’s lots of good content out there that has helped me because lucid, and it didn’t only come from you.
I don't criticise "all other teachers", I criticise a tiny handful of chancers and scammers. There is a big difference. If you follow the channel you'll see that I regularly promote and work with genuine lucid dreaming teachers. It's the people who share hype, misinformation, and nonsense (for their own personal gain, and at the expense of you and their viewers) that I criticise. And I think that's a perfectly reasonable and logical response when dealing with a subject where a lot of people think they can cash-in by lying to the public. Does that mean that everything the untrustworthy teachers say isn't true? No. But we all know that liars are very good at weaving a few bits of truth into what they do to make it seem more convincing. That is the nature of almost all scams. I've spend decades in this subject, and I've seen lots of scammers and chancers come along, they tend to last a couple of years, try to make as much money from naïve beginners as possible, then vanish. They are easy to spot when you are experienced, but not so easy for beginners. So it is my responsibility to warn beginners of people who do not have their best interests at heart. I do not imply that I am the "best source", but I do know this subject well enough, and have dedicated my life to it, to care about it and to be able to spot really bad sources. So, spend a little more time on the channel and you'll actually see that what you've said isn't an accurate portrayal of what I do. I appreciate you asking, and can understand how it might seem that way if you're not aware of the red-flags to look out for. Of course I would prefer not to criticise anyone, nobody likes doing that. But, as the saying goes "for evil to triumph, all it takes is for good people to do nothing". So if I can save some people wasting their time and hard-earned money, then it's worth it. I criticise a small handful of bad people for the same reason you would criticise any scammer... because their behaviour is bad.
Thank you for your quick and detailed reply. I take back “all” teachers. I have subscribed but I don’t pay Utube so maybe I just hear your general talks where it does seem like you bunch lots of teachers in the bad category. Sorry, but that’s how it comes across. Thank you for your sincerity in helping newbies discern, I would just prefer a little less of that, that’s all. If I can share an example and also clarify something with you?…. Not sure why you need to mention more than twice in your talk on using the hole through the palm reality check, that teachers who promote this clearly have not thought this through! So many teachers promote this. And while I can see your argument, that it takes controlling the dream to do so, doesn’t holding your nose in the dream also take control? I didn’t quite get that point.
@@kymoliver2515 hi Kym, no the nose pinch test does not require dream control at all. When we are in a dream, our "dream body" and real body in bed are breathing at the same rate. This is helpful information for lucid dreamers, because that means if we pinch our nose in a dream, we will not be blocking the airways of our real body in bed. Therefore breathing will not be restricted and you can still feel air freely flowing through your nostrils. The nose pinch test is one of the only tests that actually has some logic behind it : )
Tbh I had my first lucid dream last night but in the dream I found out because I looked at my hand but when I tried the finger through hand thing it didn’t even work
When dreaming you nose is a little bigger then normal. Some times when you pinch you nose a try to breath through it in a dream air comes out the sides and you think I am not pinching hard enough so look at your hand and fingers or shut your lips and breath through them.
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Wow I have been wasting my time on this realty check for 8 months i hate explore lucid dream channel 😭
Btw thanks
But after watching your channel i have started to think logically and understand what really lucid dreaming is and its wonderfull our brain couinsciousness are amzing and you are amazing too.
@@ultraslay7635 I'm sorry you had your time wasted by that channel, but glad to have you here and to help you on the right track!
@@DanielLoveOrg last night i had a semi lucid dream i had reality checked in my dream nose pinch reality check.thanks😀
@@ultraslay7635 Congrats, that's a great step forwards!
Can confirm this is doo doo. In a vivid dream I had a realization that “I am dreaming” and became conscious and was able to control my body.
Everything looked so real I actually didn’t believe I was dreaming. I tried the finger poke and it didn’t go through my hand. I ended up using the nose pinch but still wasn’t convinced even though it worked. It wasn’t until I looked at my hands and they looked like alligator feet that I truly believed I was dreaming.
Lucid dreaming is intense. I never believed I would confuse the dream world with waking life while I have conscious control of my thoughts and actions. Your approach to reality checks makes perfect sense to me after having experienced it.
On another note, I normally do the digital watch test. Ironically, in my dream, my watch had been stolen. That was one of many bizarre events that made me realize I was dreaming. It forced me to resort to those other tests though because I didn’t have my watch in the dream world.
Gave up on lucid dreaming and the world of dreams in general, but this is the type of information that will definitely get me and many others back into the game. Thanks man
I started with this around 1980. It is also normal to stop for a while but it seems my interest always came back.
@@eddydejagere3411 same here bro
I gave up.
I did ~50 RCs a day.
Tried almost every single one of those techniques (MILD, FILD etc) and no luck.
I’ve read that beginners book thats suggested by all dreamers and I have over a year of dream logs.
I try for several months at a time then stop. I might try again but I lose hope every time.
Same here bro. I really wanted snd needed to lucid dream. I desperately wanted to have a better life and all. Buuuut after ages of trying to lucid dream I gave up. Starting back slowly. Like I've been finding reality checks hard. Because I'm always super busy with college that I am always out of it, of ya know what I mean. When I do relate check I always I'm the thought of. Ik this is real but I'm gonna check to get the routine. But still fail at that lol
@@cheesesteakphillyand you didn’t get a single lucid dream doing that? 😮. Or did you just get very few lucid dreams.?
Finally finded a LD channel worth watching!
I am 62 years old today and have been lucid dreaming sense childhood. It just has always been that way for me. Not to say that all my dreams are lucid. Recently my lucid dreams took a huge leap forward after I happened to put an old red lava lamp on a dresser in my bedroom to provide some low light in case I need to get up in the dark. although it provides a dim light it is not visible with my eyes closed. I have never made it a practice to lucid dream. Now here is where it gets strange... The first night I had that lamp on I had a very long lucid dream. I met another person and we both knew we were dreaming. My sure-fire dream check is always to touch something. Feel its texture, so I asked to hold her hand. She was real to me. We talked for a long time and agreed to look for each other in the future. We call it the dream scape. It's been about two weeks now and we have met two times. It's fantastic and so much more real than my reality. New sub here. I wonder if anyone else has ever had this experience? Have a great day!
Scotty, that’s really cool, man. I might have to get a red lava lamp 😃. How’s it going with your dreamscape friend? I want an update if you wouldn’t mind sharing.
Any updates?
it worked for me few times 😁 once i put my finger through my palm hand and on the other side an octopus tentacle started to emerge , that was pretty cool ! and pretty indicative 👽✌️
Thank you, really interesting! The content is amazing, but I also enjoy the production of the videos (and the CATS)!
Hi, I've attempted tons of Reality Checks or Tests whatsoever, counting fingers or putting my finger through my hand barely failed me, BUT in rare occasions it actually did fail. When I try the test that you were talking about it NEVER failed me not even once, and that's one of the reasons I actually do that one a lot, also because it's a little bit more easy to do in front of people (I just go ahead and make them think I'm about to sneeze when I'm actually doing a RC), again, a great video as always
Haha, I totally relate to this comment!!
I did the finger through palm realty test for a long time and only got lucid once doing it in a dream. It was really cool, though. The skin of my hand started to tent elastically around my finger until my finger popped painlessly out the other side of my skin. Very sensational. Then I asked a nearby dream character what I had to do to get lucid every night (since he was a projection of my subconscious I thought he would have the intel) and he kind of got really awkward and stuttered something about having to go somewhere. Then he ran behind and employee’s only door and like a dingus I DIDN’T FOLLOW HIM! I always wonder what was behind that door. PSA for all you fledgling oneironauts: rules do not apply in your dreams!! Go and do whatever you want. Follow your curiosity.
I’ve never actually attempted to do this in a dream, lucid or otherwise. I attribute that to learning from this channel. Thank you.
finding your channel was like finding gold. I’ve been doing this reality check for a while no wonder i’ve never done it in a dream.
Ah sorry you'd been misinformed elsewhere, but glad to help you avoid any further time-wasting with that reality check. Really glad to have you here!
I never understood why the finger through palm test became so popular
On my first lucid dream I tried the finger-through-palm test and my finger didn't go through my palm at ALL. No matter how hard I tried my finger wasn't going through. I was even close to waking up. I got at least a plop sound when I gave up and pulled out my finger.
Daniel, this was so helpful, thank you. I've been dream journal and being very conscious observant in waking life for several weeks now, but was doing the finger through palm method. I started doing the nose pinch method a few days ago and had a lucid dream LAST NIGHT. Thank you!
Really excellent presentation which will save me wasting time on reality tests which are not very reliable. Thanks for sharing this valuable information.
Thanks for a great video. I think I just really understood the logic behind your criticism for the first time. It really makes sense.
Thanks for all these great videos! I've been doing this for a couple Weeks, and so far the Nose Pinching is what seems to work best for me (For the two (maybe a third time briefly) times I've got Lucid Dreams.) the first time it happened I looked at my Hands, and saw extra little Fingers growing, but Pinching my Nose is what really made me realize. Then I had another Lucid Dream a couple Nights ago, and it was the same thing where Nose Pinching got me Lucid, in that Dream I did remember to try the Finger through Palm thingy afterwards just to see how it would work, and it did go through, but Nose Pinching, and checking my Hands is my go to Reality Test. I've even taken to Nose Pinching whenever I wake up as a lot of times I get a "False Awakening" or whatever its called (each time I've Lucid dreamed it happened a couple times before I actually woke up.) and I immediately know I'm still Dreaming when I do that as I can't really check my Fingers in the Dark.
Good video, good points, very logical explanation, thanks!
I gave up on lucid dreaming around 2 years ago, the finger test was my go to.
I think I'll have more success now, thanks.
I remember straining my knuckle from constantly pushing my finger into my palm. It was my go to for a while.
I AM REALLY ENJOYING WATCHING ALL OF THESE VIDEOS! I AM LEARNING SO MUCH.
Tysm for this video, whenever i did the finger trough palm it genuinely never worked bc it didn't wanna go. Trough, so this video helped a lot
Thank you for another awesome, helpful and informative video, DanDan. 😃
ho my god, i have been using the finger through the palm for over a whole month for nothing !!! Well now i will stop and i thank you for that. I will mostly do the pinch of the nose and looking at the time on my cell phone because i do not have a digital watch. Thank you sooo much for this Daniel ;)
When I first started, I used the finger through palm test but soon switched to counting my fingers, which got me my first lucid dream. I now just do the nose pinch and text change tests and they haven't failed!
Hello dear lucid dreamer,
I'd like to tell you thanks, because I'm french lucid dreamer and I progress in lucid dreams with yours techniques, and I learn english in the same time :)
Welcome to the channel, it's good to have you here!
I did the test a few times once I was lucid, just for fun. I'd say it worked 50/50. Sometimes I felt kind of a pain, sometimes nothing. But I agree absolutely. It's fun but not good for becoming lucid. In 99.9% I become lucid with the nose pinch test. Thank you for the video! A cute little Cosmøtron for you and every member of the channel
Can’t completely agree, but thanks for the video nonetheless! 😝
Really helpful. Many thanks. You are so right about the finger and palm being dependent on dram control.
Dream not dram. Drams don't help at all lol.
Another great Video,thanks for that !
My favorite ist the Finger count RC...
I appreciate the information. Yep, been wasting my time for almost a year! Yikes
Sorry to hear that, its a shame there's so much misleading information out there!
That makes sense !
I really love your video
Ok, but, why the hypnotic spiral? I'm just asking because if I wasn't writing down notes, it might have drawn in my attention more, which is saying a lot!
Great video as always. I apologize beforehand if my grammar is off (college started back up and my brain is fried from the multiple syllabus I've had to listen to), but, I'll consider "Introduction to Lucid Dreaming" a third class today!
I used to do finger through palm and the counting fingers reality test as my only two tests and they worked fine a majority of the time they were preformed in a dream, up around 70-75%. Since maybe 4 months ago, I started adding on more tests (looking around my surroundings, remembering my day) since they still held affective and then 2 more (nose pinch, clock test) a month or two ago. Old habits die hard as, even though I've changed the order to nose pinch first, in almost every lucid I've had since the changes, I've done the finger tests first. Even though they have held up somewhat good, they have started becoming a bit harder to actually see, as I could have a shorter finger or more fingers but doubt my own view. This course be due to negative expectations, but, I have found that the times where I've done more reliable tests, they've worked 100%, though 1/1 times isn't a monumental number.
Anyway, great video today! My brain is absolutely fried right now, so, I'll cut it somewhat short today! Keep up the work!
I believe this already have helped me, as I just woke up from a lucid dream. I got lucid by looking at my hands (my main check now, that replaced Finger through palm). I need to get used to it though 'cause I got pretty shocked when I saw how different my dream hands were from my normal hands. (even if I have looked at my hands before in my dreams and they always are different, but I've just started practicing again after a long break). Thanks a lot all the information you are sharing
This helps a ton. Is there a certain bedtime I should have to increase my likelihood of lucid dreaming?
Not really. Ideally the longer you can spend sleeping the higher your chances (due to more REM). I would recommend against going to bed too late. Early to bed does seem to equate to more lucidity for many people.
i never tried the finger through palm and mostly just used the counting fingers which has worked for me twice (that’s all the lucid dreams i’ve had tho😞) but i have recently been doing that and the nose one but no success yet i think i’ve had two dreams that felt like lucid dreams but i’m not sure so i’m thinking no
also off topic but every time i’ve gotten lucid it’s been in my room even in the fake lucid dreams
Yes! Many times I've been in a dream where my palm through the hand definitely worked and went through or became elongated. But I just continued as normal without gaining the slap of clarity that I so desperately wanted, thank you so much I'm excited to try again.
Sound logic there, Daniel!
I was originally shown to use finger counting, and technically it has worked a number of times, but I think there's always been some other strange thing that has happened first to make me lucid, and the missing or extra fingers have just been further confirmation. I wonder how many lucid opportunities I've missed because of having the correct number of fingers in a dream.
It's a hard habit to break, but now I'm forming a new habit of looking for wonky text & it works well. I've started doing nose pinch tests too, but I have yet to actually do it in a dream.
Thanks!❤️
Awesome Different way to look at it💯🔥🔥
I do believe that it is possible when dream control is high or I constantly imagine and believe that it is let's say always working. Anyway ...when Ive been chased by a group of people I was super stressed and tried to get my finger through my palm to get lucid ( or to get power? I needed an confirmation that I am actually dreaming) and it didn't worked! ....so I kept running away ...so stressful. I guess it was because I was so stressed....normally I always imagine it to go through my palm or at least disappear. I am used to walk through walls in dreams....so no mental barrier there. Anyway since then I shifted my focus on the pinch ya nose thing. Definitely needed a more reliable test. And your video came right on time.
It’s quite unfortunate how far and wide this reality test has spread, isn’t it? Good to see twaddle being corrected as usual. Weird how many techniques involve fingers in general though… 🤔
I use two things… i look at my hand and if I have more or less fingers, or if they look different. Or I plug both of the holes in my nose and try to breath through them. If I breath through my nose I’m dreaming
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Wow thats funny he used the nose thing i said but the hand one works really good too worked every time
I have always used the nose pinch test as it’s reliable the finger through palm has never worked for me
Great points!
I have always been able to fly in all my dreams ! Also can leap from any height and Hoover long distances. It’s finding a functional toilet and reaching the brake pedal that haunts my dreams ! I’ll try the nose pinch !
Me too!
I can never find a functional toilet in my dreams! 😂
They're always broken or filthy or the doors doesn't close or there are no doors whatsoever, or there is no hole in it, or it's made of pillows or I can't reach it or something like that.
When I realized that I frequently dream about the toilets (😜😆) I started doing reality checks every time whilst visiting one in waking life. A day or two later- I managed to push my finger through my palm and became lucid. But the first time it didn't work, yet I thought I should check again, just in case the first trial went wrong and it worked! 😀
The first reality test I started using was the finger through palm obviously. It's been pretty reliable for me, but it fails me for a completely different reason. I tend to show it to dream characters and even though the results are clearly working, I'm too immersed in the plot showing the dream characters and continue with non-lucidity. Even if my finger doesn't go through right away, my hand always feels very spongy in a dream and like it's going to work, so it eventually works for that reason. I'm always showing dream characters reality tests and not getting lucid for that reason. This is why the mindset is critical! Even with the optical reality check, I would be getting people to perceive my vision in first person so they could see the lack of blinking in my vision, and I would continue with the non-lucidity there too! I just need to pay attention (your keyword) to the results so I can actually interpret them!
I recently made it so my first test is whether I'm interacting with anyone, because that's where I'm always failing and it's all the more reason to pay more attention to the tests if I am! Same with if I'm struggling to remember the binary technique. I associate a time to make the memory more distinct, but I sometimes forget what time I associated only in dreams. I've been trying to practice in conversations, which is even more difficult than normal because of my hard of hearing and having to piece most things together with context (only hear like 30% of sentences on average, oftentimes less), and practicing that seems to help so far!
I've been testing around with those dreams lately and last night I had one I didn't notice how I was in a dream until I finally did my reality check and I wave my hand in front of my face and it turned out I had like six or seven fingers I cannot remember I wrote this dream down in a dream journal and will not forget
Throughout most of my lucid dreaming career, I've used the finger counting technique. I know you've said it can be unreliable but it has gotten me lucid many times and only failed one time so far. If I had to theorize, I would guess that my expectation (originally learned years ago from twaddle merchants) causes it to work for me more than it should. I am also very thorough when I test so even if it fails, that probably isn't going to be the deciding factor for lucidity
Coming back to say that this trick works! I tried the finger through palm thing for about a year and I never became lucid. A few days after watching this video I performed the check in a dream and became lucid! It wasn’t much, the only thing I remember is doing it over and over again, feeling myself breathe.
Hi, I have been practicing lucid dreaming for about two years and a half now (with ups and downs) and for personals reasons I had to take a break (it’s been about a month now). I plan to restart practicing in a week, do you have any advices on how I should restart to be efficient ?
By the way, I find your channel really great for lucid dreaming, I really like the scientific approach (I think it’s really important for a subject like this one) !
PS : Sorry for my English, I’m french
Oh that's impossible to answer in a single comment. I'd suggest that you watch some of the guide videos here on the channel, as that should give you a good (and free) refresher course on where best to focus your efforts. If you really want to take things seriously, maybe consider reading my book "Are You Dreaming?" which should give you everything you could possibly need to get started. (I apologize if that sounds like a sales pitch, it's not entirely, as my book is probably the most efficient way to get as much information as possible). I hope that helps. I recently discovered I'm about 50% French in my heritage, so it's great to have a French viewer. Also, France was the country that produced the world's very first book on lucid dreaming!
@@DanielLoveOrg Thank you for the answer ! And I already read your about a year ago, I discovered you like that, but it could be good idea to read it again to refresh my mind !
Hi Daniel! I hope you are completely healthy again
Hi Emily, I'm feeling much better now, thank you!
I still use the finger-through-palm test, but I also use the nose pinch test and the digital clock test and look at the environment around me to check if it's logical :)
The finger though palm has indeed failed me, so thanks for this video so that I won't waste more time on it. I'm going to try the pinching nose and instead of digital watch (I don't wear a watch so I guess this wouldn't work for me) I'll read the time or some text on my phone or laptop and see if that is stable.
Glad you found it useful and thanks for the thoughtful comment!
It's failed me many times lol.But somehow i just knew i was dreaming anyway.
That's why it didn't work! Thank you very much, this is SO helpful!
It's funny, I had two occasions (in the same night), where I was noticing inside the dreams that something was weird and I did this, and it didn't work, but that then triggered me to do the nose pinch test. I didn't quite get there, though. So, I guess it was more like a pseudo-lucid dream? Again, thank you so much for sharing!
I have never had the pinch the nose test fail except for when I was so thoughtless as to think that breathing through my nose meant that I was *not dreaming.
I've been using the finger through palm test for a few months now and it's worked only one time for me. The first time I used it on a dream it didn't go through my palm. I remember feeling how my finger touched my palm and thinking "oh my, I'm awake" so I kept on with my dream until I woke up and realized I was actually dreaming. The second time it actually worked, although it was hard and I lost lucidity almost in an instant. The next lucid dream I had it didn't work again, but I tried counting my fingers an managed to convince myself I was dreaming (lol). So yeah, as you said, it's not like the method doesn't work, but at least for me it's not as reliable as other reality tests
i often do this one and i get it know, i will try to do at least two reality checks and i hope it will work
what are your opinions on the reality check of counting your fingers? for me it has worked everytime, except one time where i counted my fingers wrong, and upon recalling the dream i noticed i had about 8 fingers on my hand, fortunately i was still able to get lucid by using the nose pinch test which i always use after the finger counting reality test
I was in a lucid dream that I entered via sleep paralysis and I was about 3-5 minutes in the dream and I was doing reality checks to build the habbit in the dream and I did the finger threw the palm one and it failed. I just thought I'd share that. I'm still learning how to lucid dream regularly.
It is curious, 'cause i already know that something was wrong, but i had no idea about the ilogical reason of this Reality Check.
Thank you for confirming that, you saved me!
The only moment that it worked for me was this morning during a dream , and when i
was going to do this Reality Check, my left index finger couldn't pass trought the hand, but something happened
at the same time : it cames transparent , and then i realized i was dreaming. (this is only a part of the story).
By the way, i have a question to all of you about this topic : which Ckecks like pinch your nose or see the watch do already know about (how many else) ?
Is breathing in your dreams synced with your physical body breathing?
I also want to ask about the finger counting reality check, I'm guessing it isn't as unreliable since it's how I got lucid in most of my lucid dreams.
Yes, on the whole eye movements and breathing are synchronized in REM, neither of these muscle groups enter paralysis.
The finger counting test is a stability test, so similar to the text and digital watch tests. Fingers will be a little less reliable for a test, as they should be more stable due our mind having a strong model of our hands.
@@jonny3003 Quite right, but it is the diaphragm that is responsible for breathing, while other voluntary muscles enter paralysis (due to the actions of a neurotransmitter called glycine). With the exception of eye movements. However, the diaphragm exists in an unusual space as far as muscles go, being both voluntary and involuntary, which is why you will notice changes in breathing patterns for subjects in REM (and the familiar panting and gasping for air that occurs during nightmares). However, in other stages of sleep, the diaphragm reverts to a more involuntary process. In practical terms, this equates to us being able to use the nose pinch as a reliable test. It is also why holding one's breath in a dream is a good means to rapidly awaken.
The counting fingers technique works flowless for me, and not because there are too many fingers but because every time there is something wrong with them, like bending in weird ways, last time the thumb was too short.
You are absolutely right, for me the finger through palm test have always failed. However there is another test that I always perform afterwards, which is just looking at tha palms of my hands. In my dreams I see that I have hands on my finger tips. Or some times I have more or less fingers and sometimes my fingers split to multiple fingers.
I never used the finger through palm technique mostly because I've never had a dream where I phased through anything physical. It didn't make sense to me with the way my dreams are structured tbh.
Now the one that's almost always worked for me is counting my fingers, not 100% reliable but almost every lucid dream I've had has been gotten through that check. Even though I do the nose pinch check irl, I always do it after the finger check so I've never actually needed to use it after the first check works.
Funny thing is though, even though my brain is frankly horrible with finger consistency (I had fuckin 15 on one hand once), it will still find ways to trick me. Once I had tried checking my hand and thought I counted 5 only to realize my middle finger was actually two fingers braided together.
can daydreaming on certain amount of time improves visualization for lucid dreams
I had a dream of me flying in a gym, then these basketball players saw me do it and they formed a line one after another jumping/floating in the air lol. I was in the top corner of the gym realizing that this is a dream laughing lol
I like that - to have the "the detective mindset". Was maybe not doing this enough - I have been doing reality checks but not always asking myself if I'm dreaming. Since this evening whenever something changes - like I feel my mind has been wandering then I ask myself if I'm dreaming and do the reality check. Then if it's clear I'm not dreaming I conclude to myself that I'm not dreaming. What do you think of that?
I can confirm this test is one of the worst. It almost always failed when I tried it. Waste of time.
Thanks for this video 👍
After watching it yesterday the first time and training the nose pinch RC throughout the day, I got lucid this night with exactly this RC. Amazing and funny. I had a nice flight 😄
By the way, the first RC with looking at my hands fooled me. Then I remembered the nose pinch test. 👃
Congratulations! Really glad to see this paying off for you. It's always wonderful to see when people get results from these more reliable tests! Keep up the good work
I always thought it works, crap
Thanks for material :)
Hopefully this will save you wasting your time!
I've tried using this as a "confirmation RT", when I already felt pretty sure that I was dreaming. But the idea of the finger going though skin, flesh and bone grossed me out so much that I almost wanted to wake up immediately, just to make sure it wouldn't work. (Why? When she was a child, a friend of mine wanted to spear a piece of bread with a raclette skewer. Because the bread had a very thick crust, the skewer did not want to go through. So she held the bread in the palm of one hand and pushed the skewer against it as hard as she could with the other... It did not just go INTO the hand, it went THROUGH.)
After this cheerful little story, let me say: I never realized WHY this test is so unreliable, but it makes a lot of sense! I did not consider that you'd need dream control, which is a conundrum.
Thank you. In the first week of working on lucid dreaming I used this method beside the nose pinching method - glad you stopped me 😅
BTW, I had 3 (or better said 2.5, I fell out of lucidity last time…) lucid dreams now. And twice I got lucid without any reality check. I kinda forgot about it. Is that bad?
I’ve used the finger test in my checks, but never as the primary test, it’s always one of a battery of tests in addition to nose pinch, recounting my steps, text/color shift, etc. Is there any harm in having it as one of many, or would it be better to drop it as a waste of time?
Also you mentioned being unable to control your dreams when not lucid, would you classify expectations shaping the directions and outcomes of dreams as a form of non-lucid control? I’ve had that happen multiple times ranging from what’s said next in conversations to outcomes of events. It’s mostly something recognized after the fact, but it’s a pattern I keep seeing popping up.
I've had fair success with the hand check. I hold up my hand and it looks morphed in some way, then I know that I'm dreaming.
Its not that it cannot work but that it is very unreliable. And reliability is absolutely vital with reality checks. If a test is only 20% reliable, imagine how.l many chances for lucidity you'll miss. It also means 80% your daytime effort training to remember to do it is wasted.
hello please don't screw me over like explore lucid dreaming did. i trust you... anyways hello im currently keeping my dreams in a PHYSICAL book that i like . should i continue or should i type my dreams on my phone/laptop. what do you recommend?
I would always recommend a physical dream journal over a digital journal. Both are useful, but a physical journal seems to be more effective for most. Plust it creates a more substantial connection to the dream world that digital content just can't. Much in the way that a physical letter is a far more personal item than an email.
i failed countless times with the one where you count your fingers as well
I actually remeber a dream where i did a reality finger through palm check and it didnt go through, just felt weird
I remembered I had a dream where I was playing on my switch but I kept on getting logged out of my account so I did the palm Reality check and it did not work
yesterday i had a vivid scary dream and was getting lucid, i thought it was all not real because it was too scary and i wanted to be in a dream rather than live as it was real. i realy thought i was dreaming but then i did the infamous Finger in palm check and it failed me like it always did when i doing this check. its always when i try this reality check that it wont work. also, afraid of pincing my nose in a dream since i think it would mean that i'm not breathing in reallife. the check that went well the last time (that was years ago so i'm now getting back into it, since this year) was looking at my phone and seeing different numbers.
the dream had a sicking dark uneasy feeling, and i was getting to panick mode and was afraid because the world is going to end with black clouds and black snow and some intense yellow lightning. all because an Ice Godess was dying on the scene and she got all the force of her life getting this storm and lightning together and it went like the World was going to End. there were three other women besides me (i'm a guy so i think i know where this sign comes from...) and they said its not possible that its a dream. i said otherwise but when the finger in palm trick didnt work i immediately stopped believing that i was dreaming and it went normal Scary Dream again; not soon after i woke up because the dream fell apart in blackness.
i was so frustrated when i got up because i Was lucid for one second but because the realitycheck failed on me I was not convinced that i was dreaming anymore and the girls said so as well that it was infact real. lol.
next time i check for my nose or maybe watching the clock on my phone (i dont have a watch anymore) and rewatching it afterwards, maybe that 'll help.
I've been practising lucid dreaming for over an year as of now and I get atleast 1 lucid dream [about 3 minutes long on average] every month!
This took a lot so hang in there dreamers, and my favourite reality check is looking at text/pictures/wtv, looking away and then looking back to see if anything changed.
this always works for me!
A few years ago when I was young( still am) I always wondered if it was possible to control you dreams. So for like 1or 2 months straight I would try so much brain power before I went to sleep to reslize if I was dreaming or not. And when I did I tried to move but the dream like talked to me and someone said stop. About 3 days later I could control. I was able to control them for like one to 3 weeks. I never did anything crazy though. Just moved around really. Is all I have to do is imagine something. Like flying? If I go back to lucid dreaming I want to do cool things. Such as flying.
I came to this video after waking up from a nap where I had dreamed about doing the finger through palm reality check and since I had already done it so many times my brain just kinda assumed that... I wasn't dreaming. Even in my dream I could feel time slow down around me and I was thinking, "okay, you are about to lucid dream for the first time. this is your moment. you HAVE to check" and I tried it like 3 times, nothing happened and I woke up. Kinda pissed about it but I guess I should've known better
THE VERY FIRST TIME I LUCID DREAMED I TRIED THE FINGER-THROUGH-HAND METHOD EVERY 30 MINUTES (WHILE I WAS AWAKE, OBVIOUSLY)...I DID IT FOR MAYBE 2 DAYS?..WHEN PRACTICING THIS METHOD I EXPECTED TO BE ABLE TO PUSH MY FINGER THROUGH MY PALM IN MY DREAM AND BECOME LUCID. BUT WHEN I LUCID DREAMED THE VERY FIRST TIME, I WAS LOOKING AT MY HAND AND WHEN I WENT TO PUT MY FINGER ON MY PALM I REALISED THAT MY HAND WAS GLOWING. WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, I HAD AN EXTRA PINKY. BUT IT WAS COMPLETELY GLOWING...THAT'S HOW I KNEW I WAS DREAMING. ALTHOUGH THE METHOD DIDN'T HAVE THE OUTCOME I WAS EXPECTING, I STILL MANAGED TO BECOME LUCID NONETHELESS. SO, I CANNOT AGREE WITH THIS VIDEO. THE METHOD WAS NOT A WASTE OF TIME FOR ME.
I'm pretty sure this was my first lucid dream
suddenly in the middle of a dream*
"hmm... I feel weird... I'll just do a reality check real quick."
Counts fingers but there's 7 on one hand.*
"... I'M LUCID DREAMING-"
Wakes up*
"Dang it!"
When it comes to lucid dreaming mantras is it a bad thing to use a different mantra every night? Will that lessen the chances of each one working? If you use the same mantra for let's say a week will it be more effective as the nights pass? I know they can loose effectiveness after a long while.
Not only is a bad reality test but it is also a very unpleasant one I think . I used to perform it, together with other tests, and I used to find resistance and some pain, as well as weird effects with my "dream flesh" when the finger finally went through. I guess my mind respects the integrity of my body even in dreams.
Now this is pretty funny, I was dreaming and i was sitting down on my couch playing a game, and I was trying to do the nose pinch test in my dream, but then my brother interrupted me and i didn't do the test, I was so close 😂
I notice the moment that I think of doing a reality check while in a dream (not even do it), I become lucid, why?
I have major clashes with reality checks. I've always come to realize them in a dream, but I fool myself into thinking that it's not a dream. The bad thing is that I realized that reality checks do not help me much, the good thing is that I discovered that I am my own worst enemy 🤣
You've missed a question in the previous stream:
Honestly I feel a bit indecent for calling you Daniel and not asking if you don't mind or prefer being called mister Love. I am 19 years old and should've asked first, so do you mind me calling you Daniel?
Sorry for asking again, but I value decency and I think we should all have respect, also on the internet. For me, that's a part of being a humble and decent person and dreamer.
Hey JLow, sorry about that, I've responded on the original post now :)
@@DanielLoveOrg Yes, I've seen that. This is my response:
Well, calling you Daniel sounds a bit more informal, so I'll call you Daniel. And you don't have to apologise for UA-cam's stupid systems, asking twice is not a problem at all!
Now i do this test but it's very much secondary. It has worked every single time but usually i was already lucid since the nose pinch method is my main thing.
But yeah it's very secondary because I already knew it was pretty unreliable.
Yes it is likely to work if you are already lucid, but as a means to get lucid it is far too unreliable. If anything, it could be considered a "dream control test" rather than a reality test.
@@DanielLoveOrg i definetly agree. i think it is more of a control test. But i need to ask, when i get lucid, it's usually just a click and then i do the reality check and not i do the reality check and then it clicks. Is this unusual?
Bruuuh this is so frustrating i only do this one y does there have to so much misinfo
I agree, it's very frustrating. The problem seems to be that a lot of people with no training in psychology or background in the subject decide they want to call themselves lucid dream experts and then unthinkingly just copy content the first websites they stumble across.
The best advice I can give is stick to reputable sources rather than influencers
@@DanielLoveOrg thanks, this is a skill I definitely want to acquire!
Is counting fingers effective as a reality test?
It's depends a lot on the individual, but I'd generally classify it as mid-range reliable for most people, as it's a stability test and the results can vary a lot depending on the nature of the dream. It's a lot less reliable than the nose-pinch test which is based on a more objective set of criteria.
@@DanielLoveOrg Thanks!
i didn't know you were daniel love haha
You are clearly very knowledgeable on the subject of LD. Why do you so often criticise all the other teachers, implying you are the best source. There’s lots of good content out there that has helped me because lucid, and it didn’t only come from you.
I don't criticise "all other teachers", I criticise a tiny handful of chancers and scammers. There is a big difference. If you follow the channel you'll see that I regularly promote and work with genuine lucid dreaming teachers. It's the people who share hype, misinformation, and nonsense (for their own personal gain, and at the expense of you and their viewers) that I criticise. And I think that's a perfectly reasonable and logical response when dealing with a subject where a lot of people think they can cash-in by lying to the public.
Does that mean that everything the untrustworthy teachers say isn't true? No.
But we all know that liars are very good at weaving a few bits of truth into what they do to make it seem more convincing. That is the nature of almost all scams.
I've spend decades in this subject, and I've seen lots of scammers and chancers come along, they tend to last a couple of years, try to make as much money from naïve beginners as possible, then vanish. They are easy to spot when you are experienced, but not so easy for beginners. So it is my responsibility to warn beginners of people who do not have their best interests at heart.
I do not imply that I am the "best source", but I do know this subject well enough, and have dedicated my life to it, to care about it and to be able to spot really bad sources. So, spend a little more time on the channel and you'll actually see that what you've said isn't an accurate portrayal of what I do.
I appreciate you asking, and can understand how it might seem that way if you're not aware of the red-flags to look out for.
Of course I would prefer not to criticise anyone, nobody likes doing that. But, as the saying goes "for evil to triumph, all it takes is for good people to do nothing". So if I can save some people wasting their time and hard-earned money, then it's worth it.
I criticise a small handful of bad people for the same reason you would criticise any scammer... because their behaviour is bad.
Thank you for your quick and detailed reply. I take back “all” teachers.
I have subscribed but I don’t pay Utube so maybe I just hear your general talks where it does seem like you bunch lots of teachers in the bad category. Sorry, but that’s how it comes across.
Thank you for your sincerity in helping newbies discern, I would just prefer a little less of that, that’s all.
If I can share an example and also clarify something with you?…. Not sure why you need to mention more than twice in your talk on using the hole through the palm reality check, that teachers who promote this clearly have not thought this through!
So many teachers promote this. And while I can see your argument, that it takes controlling the dream to do so, doesn’t holding your nose in the dream also take control? I didn’t quite get that point.
@@kymoliver2515 hi Kym, no the nose pinch test does not require dream control at all. When we are in a dream, our "dream body" and real body in bed are breathing at the same rate. This is helpful information for lucid dreamers, because that means if we pinch our nose in a dream, we will not be blocking the airways of our real body in bed. Therefore breathing will not be restricted and you can still feel air freely flowing through your nostrils. The nose pinch test is one of the only tests that actually has some logic behind it : )
Tbh I had my first lucid dream last night but in the dream I found out because I looked at my hand but when I tried the finger through hand thing it didn’t even work
When dreaming you nose is a little bigger then normal. Some times when you pinch you nose a try to breath through it in a dream air comes out the sides and you think I am not pinching hard enough so look at your hand and fingers or shut your lips and breath through them.