Watch Me Design A Fashion Collection 1: Inspiration

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  • Опубліковано 8 чер 2017
  • Welcome to my newest series: Watch Me Design A Fashion Collection. It's a little self-explanatory. I'll be designing a collection, sometimes I'll narrate a lot, talk you through my process, sometimes I'll just let y'all watch me work.
    I follow the Fashion Design Process I teach in schools and here on UA-cam, but this series won't be a 1 video = 1 step in the design process format. I'mma go as slow as I want!
    In this first installment, I discuss what I've been finding inspiring lately and how I go about collecting images.
    If you want to learn the Fashion Design Process, check out this playlist here: • Fashion Design Process
    Watch the entire Watch Me Design A Fashion Collection series here: • Watch Me Design A Fash...
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  • @jaslynlam6521
    @jaslynlam6521 5 років тому +229

    Just a bio student wandering by, admiring someone enveloped in a different kind of passion.

  • @evadukerschein3380
    @evadukerschein3380 7 років тому +684

    Maybe this is strange but this is exactly the type of series I was looking for. Nothing inspires me quite like other people exercising their creativity!

    • @zoehongteaches
      @zoehongteaches  7 років тому +26

      Not strange at all!

    • @arianahanley4031
      @arianahanley4031 5 років тому +8

      Me too! I was looking for videos and found this Gem 💎 of a series even though it's a year later!

    • @juliezorrilla
      @juliezorrilla 4 роки тому +3

      @@arianahanley4031 She's awesome! I have watched like five of her videos today =) Thank you Zoe!

    • @alexandragenoves1676
      @alexandragenoves1676 3 роки тому +2

      I wish I knew you when I went to Fashion School, good information, thank you Zoe to motivate me and inspire.

    • @garimaneupane9788
      @garimaneupane9788 Рік тому

      @@juliezorrilla ukuuuujuuku7uuuuku

  • @Pepperthecory
    @Pepperthecory 6 років тому +205

    I like the idea of hyper femininity and masculinity in fashion that is completely separated from gender and works for both men and women. The meshing of the two as well can be really fascinating.

    • @zoehongteaches
      @zoehongteaches  6 років тому +20

      Playing with gender expectations in fashion is always a good time!

  • @seekingthequestion
    @seekingthequestion 6 років тому +142

    I am a complete beginner and you have completely turned me on to the creative process. and the past week i've been obsessed with Boro so for you to bring it up - and connect it to zero waste fashion - is SO COOL. Thank you for what you do, time to get practicing!

  • @0608jeffrey
    @0608jeffrey 7 років тому +236

    This is the best game-playing show in UA-cam 😂

    • @zoehongteaches
      @zoehongteaches  7 років тому +55

      Feel free to play along and make pew pew pew sound effects!

  • @yuvan1999
    @yuvan1999 7 років тому +140

    YES!!! YESS!!!! YEEESSSSS!!!!! This is one of those videos I never knew I wanted, but now that it exists, I FRICKIN NEED it to survive!! Even though your Design Process series was INCREDIBLY helpful, seeing someone actually go through the process of designing a collection would be an absolute perfect way to learn, in my opinion!
    Simply cannot wait to see how this series (and your collection) goes!!! And thank you so so soooo much for making this series!!

    • @yuvan1999
      @yuvan1999 7 років тому +5

      Actually getting to see and learn how a piece of inspiration goes on to become a garment is something I'm REALLY excited about!! ;)

    • @zoehongteaches
      @zoehongteaches  7 років тому +18

      I'M EXCITED THAT YOU'RE EXCITED!!!

    • @patriciaetim5904
      @patriciaetim5904 3 роки тому

      37:12

  • @rhondaziman562
    @rhondaziman562 5 років тому +18

    I love what you're saying about reducing waste, and not pattern-matching in order to save fabric. wonderful messages to spread among fashion designers of the future, thank you!

  • @Skoben2000
    @Skoben2000 3 роки тому +5

    I' in LOVE with that BORO book. I hate waste. I hate all of the clothing in the landfills. I hate new garments that constantly use new fabrics which the fabric process wreaks havoc on our environment. This Japanese style is right up my ally. It's beautiful, it's charming, It's a story, it's alive!

  • @Aquarellina
    @Aquarellina 6 років тому +37

    I'm not into fashion really - studied product design now an illustrator... but it is sooo fun to listen to your lectures I think I've found a new channel to watch!

  • @bubblegumziee
    @bubblegumziee Рік тому +5

    You are literally my favorite fashion teacher! I'm gonna credit you as soon as possible when I'm becoming a legendary fashion designer someday

  • @Priya-sj7bz
    @Priya-sj7bz 2 роки тому +3

    Zoe you are amazing, your content is one of a kind and I just want you to know that I appreciate everything that you do. Your presence on UA-cam is truly inspirational. THANK YOU for simply being the artist that you truly are and for being authentically Y0U!

  • @jasminehks
    @jasminehks 7 років тому +58

    This vide gave me LIFE!!! Your knowledge about the fashion industry is extremely fascinating 😍
    I could watch these videos all day! Thank you for sharing and teaching. 🙇🏻‍♀️🙏🏼

  • @enakbaeken8785
    @enakbaeken8785 3 роки тому +10

    I just got accepted at the Antwerp academie at only 18 years old... I was really happy until I realized I actually have to do it now haha, these videos help me a lot. Thanks for making them!

  • @Anna-vr1zq
    @Anna-vr1zq 7 років тому +13

    I'm a third semester student and I'm working on a knit collection inspired by crystals atm so this is absolutely perfect! I was drawing in my sketchbook while watching, can't wait to make this a regular thing ❤️

    • @zoehongteaches
      @zoehongteaches  7 років тому +2

      >>I was drawing in my sketchbook while watching, can't wait to make this a regular thing ❤️
      YESSSSSS draw along with me!!

  • @TheFashionRunUp
    @TheFashionRunUp 3 роки тому +1

    Yes! A daily uniform is everything! I don't wear the exact same thing every day, but similar variations of colors and silhouettes, which helps me quickly create solid outfits that I know work so I can run out the door!
    Also, I'm a fashion designer but rarely create full collections from start to finish and need this refresher! Like you, I also miss designing full collections. So trying to do it more often on my own!

  • @camilacastelblanco8285
    @camilacastelblanco8285 4 роки тому +1

    I´ve been all afternoon lost in your videos (like I do sometimes) and you always make me have new ideas and concepts that I didn´t imagine to learn and I really appreciate that, I thank you so much for doing this and I really look forward to become as knowledgeable and talented as you are after I finish fashion school.

  • @rivitraven
    @rivitraven 10 місяців тому +1

    Geologist here! I love how you're looking at the minerals with their forms and textures. You would be surprised how gorgeous the world of geology is especially when you learn terminologies and structures of formations. I feel like you should take a look at thin sections especially perthites, antiperthites, microcline, and albite because they have some cool structures. Calcite and fossils in thin sections show geometric shapes with roundness, structure, and flow. I think you would love copper bearing minerals of all sorts from carbonates, oxides, sulfides and more.
    You might also like labradorite, vivianite, vanadinite, dioptase, potch opals, and ALL the Jaspers.

  • @DawnDevine
    @DawnDevine 7 років тому +26

    LOVE IT - I am totally inspired. As a costume designer, I get stuck in a rut of designing only costumes projects. I think I'm going to make some clothing for myself! Thanks for the inspo - love your channel!

  • @hexmaniacciaran
    @hexmaniacciaran 7 років тому +1

    I love the section about patch work, those pages reminded me so much of Comme des Garçons and Klimt paintings

  • @kimbaxley7595
    @kimbaxley7595 2 дні тому

    I've been wearing blk tshirt and jeans every day for a million years. The shoes change the style of jeans and shape of blk t change but that's it. Unless like you said, I feel like putting together an outfit. Such a massive relief.

  • @dakotajones6681
    @dakotajones6681 6 років тому

    I love that you're inspired by the patterns. They are very graphic, but I also get this vibe, which I enjoy particularly myself, of taking inspiration from the process of the craft aspect of what you're doing. The art about art concept I guess, and purposing something about the process that's typically not presented in the finished product and using it as inspo

  • @nadyautina
    @nadyautina 7 років тому +30

    Yeay finally!!! I've been waiting for this video ❤️❤️

  • @afiaoni1375
    @afiaoni1375 4 роки тому

    ZOE, your channel is the absolute best! Thank you for this series and for your dedicated work. I am going to design along with this series with a video a week starting today! I love this video. I will be prepared next week and excited to watch Part 2 of the design series.

  • @sophieg7904
    @sophieg7904 7 років тому +3

    I'm studying fashion design at university just finished my first year super proud of myself and ive only now found your channel and i am in love with it honestly going to be soo helpful for my second year loved those patterns from the garment shapes would never of thought of doing that xx

  • @UniqueEbonyBeauty
    @UniqueEbonyBeauty 6 років тому +8

    I'm so in love with this channel.

  • @priyasukumar8238
    @priyasukumar8238 4 роки тому

    Thank you Zoe . This is what exactly I was looking for. You made it. Donot know where to start now hope I will be designing along with you

  • @lustchievous
    @lustchievous 7 років тому +8

    Ha ha - my mom, back in her hippie days, had a pair of brown jeans she patched and patched and patched and eventually you couldn't find any of the original brown fabric. They were very cool.

  • @nadia.lewis.
    @nadia.lewis. 6 років тому +2

    I'm knitting my first knitwear collection and watching! Loving this, Zoe! :D

  • @cande2499
    @cande2499 3 роки тому +1

    I'm writing a character who's a fashion designer (or studying to be) and this series is very helpful to know the process hahahah thanks so much!!

  • @thephilosophyer
    @thephilosophyer 7 років тому +4

    This series seems to have come at the right time! I have been working on a concept for a collection based on Alphonse Mucha, with Victorian (Since that was the era that he became famous in) and Czech influences. Now I can work on it alongside these videos, lol

  • @palelittlegoblin3153
    @palelittlegoblin3153 4 роки тому +1

    This was so inspiring and I want to redo some of the sketches in the collection that I am making because I have so many new ideas. Thank you for making this!

  • @justawoman
    @justawoman 3 роки тому

    You talking through the process. There's nothing like it ! Thank you

  • @katparadox4339
    @katparadox4339 6 років тому +5

    I'm an earth scientist and I have to tell you that your description of the rocks is pretty good ;) Of course you know all about texture and colour, and in geology these are the main tools that we use for mineral classification ;)

    • @zoehongteaches
      @zoehongteaches  6 років тому +1

      Yay! I'm so pleased to hear that! *pats self on back :D

  • @cutekitty182000
    @cutekitty182000 6 років тому +1

    Love the video....its so nice to see someone going through the process...it helped in many ways...thanks zoe....lots of love :)

  • @joannharling7719
    @joannharling7719 2 роки тому

    I love your videos! You are so generous in sharing your creative process! Thank you for inspiring me and my fashion illustration students!

  • @KatSNAILS
    @KatSNAILS Рік тому

    I haven’t finished this video of yet but I already love it. I love this series continues. ❤

  • @92mattster
    @92mattster 6 років тому +2

    This is teaching me a lot. Gets me excited to create!

  • @AnaGarcia-fh7iw
    @AnaGarcia-fh7iw 7 років тому

    Love you, thank you for sharing your knowledge through your experiences and videos.

  • @missfabidia
    @missfabidia 7 років тому +1

    I think I've fallen in love with your channel

  • @Psychoticsavage
    @Psychoticsavage 6 років тому

    i'm attending fashion design school this fall and this is inspiring. keep the videos like this coming ❤

  • @TheFashionRunUp
    @TheFashionRunUp 5 років тому +1

    I love your idea of extra fabric coming with new garments. I was just thinking about this because I have a garment that has a logo on it that I want to cover up, and I'm trying to decide where on the garment I can harvest the same fabric to cover up the logo.

  • @ladyjunon6305
    @ladyjunon6305 7 років тому +16

    Viktor and Rolf used a similar technique in their Spring Haute Couture collection in January. They cut up vintage thrift shop dresses and sewn them back together.

    • @myfragilelilac
      @myfragilelilac 5 років тому +3

      Awesome. Still a bit sad ruining vintage garments though. :(

  • @thidlathy
    @thidlathy 7 років тому +1

    You make me laugh right from the start of your this video...I love it! U are awesome

  • @barbaraandrade5115
    @barbaraandrade5115 6 років тому +2

    I LOVE IT OMG! THANKS FOR DOING THIS! I'm a fashion student, you helped me a lot!

  • @SunnySimmer80
    @SunnySimmer80 5 років тому

    I love the Canson multimedia books. I have quite a few and they hold up to acrylic paint very well. Watercolor is ok on them.

  • @miraclewhip5672
    @miraclewhip5672 7 років тому +9

    Yes to this video series!
    Also Chris Applegate highly suggests that grading book

    • @zoehongteaches
      @zoehongteaches  7 років тому

      Oh SNAP! I have nothing but love and respect for that man. Sold.

  • @belentorcelli5612
    @belentorcelli5612 7 років тому +8

    You inspire me to keep studying and doing, thanks a lot 💕 Im willing to see how the whole process of the collection comes out!

    • @zoehongteaches
      @zoehongteaches  7 років тому +1

      You're welcome! Hope you'll study along with me!

  • @blueberries599
    @blueberries599 7 років тому

    It really helped me seeing you making research and I wait more videos about designing collections.
    I'm a bit insecure, overall in the beginning part and i'm always there making things better, or more sketches, but I have to stop at some point.
    You helped me sooo!! much

  • @mirjamsavic4540
    @mirjamsavic4540 7 років тому +26

    Did you just make a pattern out of construction of a sleeve? Damn, girl! Love your ideas

    • @zoehongteaches
      @zoehongteaches  7 років тому +3

      Yes I did, and I'mma take those little drawings and run with it!

  • @annaa8170
    @annaa8170 2 роки тому

    I ve watched this at least 3 times😅 I find it very educative and relaxing at the same time. Can you please make more of these videos Zoe? Thank you! You are amazing!❤️

  • @zaner109
    @zaner109 4 роки тому +1

    I have that Rock and Gem book and I love it so much and was thinking of using it for inspiration too!

  • @suzannekane617
    @suzannekane617 2 роки тому

    Thank you for sharing your creative process with us

  • @chickadeeacres3864
    @chickadeeacres3864 2 роки тому

    I like the idea of collaging everything that inspires. Your comment about a rust obsession reminded me that I am obsessed with cracked and peeling paint LOL! But when you think about it, WOW! Imagine what kind of clothing line could come out from that?

  • @dakotawhite2829
    @dakotawhite2829 3 роки тому

    I really love the book, I’m watching getting so inspired!

  • @orlandooracle7008
    @orlandooracle7008 6 років тому

    Loved this video, and just to let you know, I own an apron dress by Skunkfunk. I agree with you about making them a thing!! Thanks for this video!!

  • @danadouin1042
    @danadouin1042 Рік тому

    Only my second Zoe video but I am loving this. So many deals racing through my brain!

  • @pilarneary3526
    @pilarneary3526 Рік тому

    Great video, like always! Thank you!
    🌺🤗🌺

  • @marisoladkins-sonera7056
    @marisoladkins-sonera7056 7 років тому +1

    Yes!! Thanks for doing this video series!!

  • @morbidkoala8678
    @morbidkoala8678 4 роки тому

    i know this is an old video, but i'm binging your stuff right now and as a genderqueer teen with an incredibly androgynous fashion sense, it means a lot to hear you supporting that kinda stuff so openly!! the recent trends towards more unisex and androgynous fashion has me very, very excited for the future of style related to gender presentation.

  • @AMehta-dn5zi
    @AMehta-dn5zi 7 років тому

    The timing of this series is perfect! I need (want?) to design a collection for fall 2018. Just one thing Zoe - "is". Won't say anything more, you'll find it. By the way, I didn't know the thing about pink in the Napoleon era. LOVE that!!

  • @dinab4936
    @dinab4936 4 роки тому

    Love this so much thank you so much your videos are soo amazing and super helpful 💕💕💕love from Lebanon 🇱🇧

  • @Creative_Expression
    @Creative_Expression 3 роки тому

    Love the extra patches idea!

  • @llanetr.4773
    @llanetr.4773 5 років тому

    This is absolutely wonderful. Thank you.

  • @atikchowdhury8606
    @atikchowdhury8606 3 роки тому

    In 'Bengali" culture, traditionally women makes comforter for the winter time by using damage or used old clothes by using patchwork strategy and they put their cultural floral handcraft embroidery and storytelling work. It's fascinating to noticed that they realized the sustainability and giving artsy beautiful cultural nostalgia to the used or damage clothes..
    Thank you so much for your beautiful touch in details... Very greatful to your dedication.. GODSPEED. ❤️❤️✌️

  • @ellaouchene9500
    @ellaouchene9500 4 роки тому

    Zoe, ahh... you're a gift I'm greatfull that I found you

  • @PositivelyNice
    @PositivelyNice 7 років тому +9

    I am not sure I am up to it yet but you just accompanied me as I declutter my craft room. Love your insights. I never would have thought to concretise my intent first before even collecting inspiration.

    • @zoehongteaches
      @zoehongteaches  7 років тому +1

      >>I never would have thought to concretise my intent first before even collecting inspiration.
      I draw or write everything down. It's too hard to remember everything!

  • @remireto7773
    @remireto7773 6 років тому +22

    I NEED THAT GEM BOOK 😩

    • @jewellbielby3401
      @jewellbielby3401 5 років тому +2

      Library usually has amazing books on crystals and gems book like the one in this video. You can find a lot

  • @irfanzahid4643
    @irfanzahid4643 6 років тому +2

    please continue this project. I have come back to see all the videos again. it was very helpful. please complete it.

    • @zoehongteaches
      @zoehongteaches  6 років тому

      That's the plan, it's just I have a lot of projects to juggle right now.

  • @Ells332
    @Ells332 7 років тому +1

    I just want to thankyou for the help these videos have given me I truly appreciate it thankyou!!!

  • @sanaSana-bv4jx
    @sanaSana-bv4jx 7 років тому +3

    I had learnt many things from this tutorial , yes continue the series i want to learn more from you.

  • @ghodess_6085
    @ghodess_6085 3 роки тому

    i was looking for videos EXACTLY like this

  • @leyden-3365
    @leyden-3365 5 років тому

    I really appreciate watching a creative process that IS a process. It makes the elusive creative genius a quantifiable step by step. I'm a writer, but I'm hella inspired to steal pieces of your system. Thank you so so much for this type of video.

    • @zoehongteaches
      @zoehongteaches  5 років тому

      Steal steal steal! That's why I share. There's a lot of overlap in creative processes. Good luck with your writing!

  • @CraftyMonday
    @CraftyMonday 5 років тому

    Just looking for some inspiration for the baby on my womb's first dress and now I am just obsessed with these metals and can't stop googling em.

  • @cutclassnotfrog
    @cutclassnotfrog 7 років тому +1

    This is such an awesome idea! I can't wait for more videos in this series!

  • @jjgffhvfe
    @jjgffhvfe 5 років тому

    That wasteless cutting is so interesting! I've been doing karate for like 8 years (and I'm 20 so that's a long time for me) and now I can understand why our karate outfits are cut like that

    • @zoehongteaches
      @zoehongteaches  5 років тому

      Yes, exactly. All traditional Japanese dress follow many of the same cutting rules.

  • @theresakern7125
    @theresakern7125 4 роки тому +1

    I admire you so much! I love aprons too, especially carpenter style aprons. I always wear an apron of complementary color. For me it's about the color and the convenience of the pockets. Aprons are part of my daily outfit, and I wear there everywhere always. The only trouble I run into is when I'm shopping. "Excuse me, m'am. Where is the..." Even though I wear aprons and attire that look nothing like the store employees, because I have an apron on, people assume I work wherever I'm shopping.

    • @zoehongteaches
      @zoehongteaches  4 роки тому

      Love it! Love carpenter aprons. It's like that rule, don't wear a red shirt at Target or people will think you work there. hahahaha

  • @elsiebloom806
    @elsiebloom806 6 років тому

    Not even 10 minutes in and I am obsessed

  • @nooralhaddad381
    @nooralhaddad381 4 роки тому

    Love your videos 💕
    I’m learning a lot
    Keep it up 👍🏽

  • @sahnie82
    @sahnie82 7 років тому +8

    Teach, you are awesome. Thanks for posting :)

  • @ivanthedesignguru
    @ivanthedesignguru 7 років тому +2

    Love this! Really show the process to get inspired!

  • @piscesspices575
    @piscesspices575 7 років тому +1

    Amazing video cant wait for the 3rd part !!😍😍👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

  • @Danadane314
    @Danadane314 7 років тому +9

    Zoe, we've had that style in WA state. It's a great idea to think of the apron as an accent statement piece. It didn't catch on widespread, but I'd totally rock that look again! Please do it!

    • @zoehongteaches
      @zoehongteaches  7 років тому

      I've been poking through what leathers I have in my studio to make an apron for myself! With pockets!

    • @Danadane314
      @Danadane314 7 років тому

      Zoe Hong
      We we're just rocking whatever fabric that popped with an outfit, like jeans, skirts - long and short, and slacks or shorts. Way cool! Never saw anyone using leather... Niiiiiice!😊

    • @zoehongteaches
      @zoehongteaches  7 років тому

      I love working with leather and always have a couple of rolls hanging out around here. I love that y'all are wearing aprons!

  • @mayadestyle
    @mayadestyle 7 років тому

    OMG love this, I was a little confused when i saw the grading book and you pulling inspiration from that but love where you're going with it. I am considering designing along with you and can't wait for the next video.

    • @zoehongteaches
      @zoehongteaches  7 років тому

      >> I am considering designing along with you
      YES DO IT DO IT DO IT

  • @momocisse3823
    @momocisse3823 7 років тому +1

    oooh my god zoee i was waiting for something like this for long time wow so excited you finaly did it its fun an educatif thanks for da experience

  • @sanarehmaan9273
    @sanarehmaan9273 3 роки тому

    this is amazing and very informative.
    I love it !

  • @k.campbell7677
    @k.campbell7677 5 років тому +1

    Amazing!! Thank you so much for posting-incredibly inspiring :)

  • @cryptopirate8880
    @cryptopirate8880 6 років тому

    rust is so cool its patina is amazing.

  • @winterrose447
    @winterrose447 5 місяців тому

    Love this!

  • @asmaaseff419
    @asmaaseff419 7 років тому +1

    amazing idea *_* i am so exited to see more ... thank you for the motivation & the inspiration you are awesomee Zoe

  • @bakiaye6508
    @bakiaye6508 3 роки тому

    The giggles are my fav..

  • @zhinuozhou7583
    @zhinuozhou7583 7 років тому

    I am really into the concept of showing the original design process! Thanks for sharing with us!

  • @victori5581
    @victori5581 5 років тому

    I loved the part where you flipped through the books about stones. I was like "noooo, this other one is so much more beautiful" or "look at this one!" and you went on and chose something completely different.
    I found your channel yesterday and I like your content very much, thank you

    • @zoehongteaches
      @zoehongteaches  5 років тому

      I've often said I could give 20 design students in one class the same inspiration sources and I'd still get 20 very, very different projects. hahahahaha Welcome to the channel!

  • @SurabhiAvhad
    @SurabhiAvhad 5 років тому

    It's 2019 but... I was stuck in this very first stage (I won't call it a day coz it's been a week and I landed no where) and I have a list of crystals that I was initially drawn to and didn't work on it.. this video really helped me get motivated to take it further and I found another rock from pages u were flipping and added to the list... So yeahhhh.. I'm gonna follow through.. Thanks ❤️😘😍😘❤️

  • @philn8462
    @philn8462 6 років тому

    HILARIOUS!!! PLEASE KEEP MAKING VIDEOS!

  • @lucyqi
    @lucyqi 6 років тому

    thank you for sharing your videos. they're so lovely

  • @SarahHafley
    @SarahHafley 3 роки тому

    As a Geology and Theatre degree holder. I need to get that Rock & Mineral book to go with all of my others.

  • @ANDRESHMODA
    @ANDRESHMODA 3 роки тому

    O M G
    It's very fun, it's dynamic and very you! Thak . I´m your fan hugs

  • @orkidbox
    @orkidbox 7 років тому

    It is really nice looking through materials with you.

  • @EspeciallyK
    @EspeciallyK 7 років тому +1

    THIS IS WHAT IVE BEEN NEEDING ZOE YOU READ MY MIND THANK YOUUUU

  • @thehouseoftorturedsouls340
    @thehouseoftorturedsouls340 5 років тому

    We go again!!!!! Second times the charm.