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Sorry about the publishing whoops over the weekend - We accidentally marked off the wrong video as having being published, leading us to publish the same video twice. WHOOPS! This is our video about... well. Mass Effect indoctrination theory, essentially. What if N'zoth won? Has N'zoth managed to leave his gift on us, paving the way for a massive void return? A true Hour of Twilight. If you'd like to watch our video about how N'zoth seemingly knows Azeroth is at the center of creation, and all of those various Shadowlandsey implicationss, then check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/O9IVP0tl5Gs/v-deo.html
I saw the video again and thought to myself that it was very weird having a video at a few seconds old be this similar untill it hit me and UA-cam erased all traces of me watching it again.
Bellular: The Gift of N'Zoth was not canonically removed. Me: Remembers my Orc Shaman removing said gift with the power of Akunda. Also me: So what do you have against Akunda, Bellular?
In my headcanon, both my blood elf rogue and human shadow priest got the gift. The blood elf was creeped out by the eye, and Talanji had a priest of Akunda remove it. The shadow priest kept it, slowly going insane, until N'zoth's defeat restored her sanity, at least for now.
The amount of shit that you (and whoever works with you on these) manage to decipher and piece together is absolutely nuts, man. Every little detail so carefully analyzed to come up with the conclusions you present. Love these videos and I really hope this is the direction this is all going because that would be dope.
It'd be a shame if, after all that theorycrafting, we just lazerbeamed him to death... What if we systematically free'd all the Old Gods, and the true Hour of Twilight is coming soon.
If Blizzard could tie-in neatly Xal'atath(sp) and all the Old Gods breaking free, with Nozdormu's decent into madness on one side, and have the Scarlets, Lightbound, Blood Elves and the Lightforged launching a Crusade on the other side, with the Horde & Alliance stuck in the middle, I'd be impressed. It's fertile grounds for a more fantasy-based, Azeroth-bound expansion at least!
Crazy how I used to think N'zoth was gonna do something cool in WoW. This shit used to get me hyped. The illusion of Azeroth being a living, breathing world has been broken by BFA and SL, and I just can't get invested in the lore anymore. :(
I realized we were pawns back in Pandaria when we destroyed the Jade Serpent statue and hoped I was reading it wrong. Legion confirmed that I wasn’t and I I’ve not liked playing a pawn since. Shadowlands became too much.
Considering they are willing to retcon things less than a patch old I wouldn't mind if they retcon the void lords to be old gods. I love that asthetic more than the evil grape jelly so I really hope 8.3 wasn't the last of them.
That would be some kind of retcon of a retcon, seeing as the original lore made it seem like they were interchangeable. Either way, I agree, Blizzards lore is all over the place, so might as well make it fun.
It would be mega dumb if they just handwave all of Shadowlands as "it was just a dream!", the laziest of writing tropes.
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Doesn't Wrathion kinda uses Xal'Atath (the dagger) to absorb N'zoth's essence ? The cinematic makes it look pretty much like that. If anything it might be a safer bet to say he's imprisoned rather than freed.
maybe some of his essence, but seeing as how all it really did was piss him off and send us another boss before we could face nzoth himself, id say it didnt pan out well. All it did is remove a layer of protection (seemingly)
My biggest question about the lore related to the Void right now is this: where is Azshara? I think the answer at this point is pretty clear. She went to the Zereth associated with the Void to do…something
Make N'zoth great again. But seriously now... Azshara and N'zoth deserved an entire expansion for them. I mean... They are villains that makes way more sense than the Nipple Man, AKA Zovaal.
What made me suspect this might be a possibility is the fact there was no strong void presence in The Maw. If the Old Gods were in the afterlife, they should have altered the Shadowlands like how the titan we killed in Legion messed up the Arbiter
I should preface this by saying I don't like the Danuser writing and I don't consider it to be any connection to the real Metzen lore. However.....no, you apparently didn't play or pay attention to what happened in Bastion and what was told in writing during the Maldraxxus storyline. The void had already invaded Bastion and Maldraxxus in the past and it took a necrolord named "Mesil the Phantom" and the previous Paragon of Courage, Agthia, of Bastion sacrificing themselves in order to stop that Void invasion. The void had been there numerous times....and there is no reason they would need to go to the Maw. Afterall, the old gods describe themselves as "outside the cycle" , so they are not souls that ever get sent anywhere by any of the previous Arbiters.
I wish I had a dream that was so vivid, that it was real. Anyways, like I have stated. The only way they can get rid of what Shadowlands did is to get rid of it entirely by having us enslaved in a dream state of the waking nightmare of the Old Gods. The problem is that you would have to start this before BFA happened and sometime after Legion ended with the sword stabbed into Azeroth. You can say that N'Zoth got freed when Sargeras stabbed Azeroth. This would be the best solution. Get rid of BFA and Shadowlands altogether.
Hm... seems we haven't been paying attention. The old gods needed Azeroth weakened enough to subdue her. Zovaal was the perfect tool. During the Void invasion of Bastion, He was corrupted and condemned to the Maw. The way is opened. The Void finally has a clear path to the engine of creation... and we have paved it. With that engine, what Star Augur Atreus saw, will be revealed. All eyes shall be opened. Azeroth, the sleeping Earth Mother, is doomed. For The Void!
These "what if" videos get depressing once realizing that WoW will never reach even 10% of this depth of story telling. I'm still waiting for a few main characters to show even the slightest acknowledgement that I've been on the journey with them all this time, since Vanilla in the case of some like Jaina.
Not all mortals go to the shadowlands. Some of them become demon, corrupted by fel energy, and go to the twisting nether. I also imagine souls dedicated to the Void or to the Light are also untouched by the Shadowlands. Both Elune and the Jailer have cheated the Arbiter system, so its an easy assumption others have too
By definition..... if a mortal being consumes fel and has their soul bound to fel; they are no longer mortal. So you would still have to say that all mortals go to the shadowlands. (You could certainly say that what Danuser wrote is not the same thing that Metzen called shadowlands....but either way, mortals go to it)
@@laertesindeed lol you know what I’m saying, souls can be messed around with and placed here or there. I’m just waiting for someone other than me to come up with the theory that if Elune can do something to night elf souls that had her believing she had the Arbiter send them to Ardeanweald, then the Jailer could do the same for victims of the Scourge.
@@epiccthulu No..... you really need to read the kyrian campaign in full as well as the world quest called Limbo where the fates of scourge and demons and elementals and naaru and other beings are decided. I think the Danuser writing is terrible..... but he did already give an explanation of why his bad writing already settled these things you are getting wrong.
@@laertesindeed Thank you for pointing me to that world quest, Limbo, because it actually adds validation to my theory. Let me copy paste for you. (I removed the answer key to keep it to the lore) Ancient Naaru (naaru) Watcher Jacintha says: Correct. Souls with sufficiently strong ties to other cosmic forces must be allowed to return. Watcher Jacintha says: This is incorrect. We must not ferry souls who bear ties to other forces. and... Vile Fatedancer (shivarra) Watcher Jacintha says: Correct. Demons must return to the Twisting Nether from whence they came. Pass to Shadowlands (wrong) Watcher Jacintha says: Demons have no place in the Shadowlands, save for the occasional combatant in Maldraxxus.
@@epiccthulu Are you trying to be daft on purpose? Are you a narcissist? The Limbo world quest proves your claims are totally false. Scourge are sent right back to where they were. Zovaal does not get control of them because they don't go to the maw. That's why I told you to read it.
I mean this is total Hopium but i really like the idea. At the same time i also wish we're still in the vision of Algalon and we could just go back to Wotlk and go from there.
At the end of Shadowlands, you hear a whisper. "Do you see now, champions," He says, "Do you see now what letting her go free will cost? The humiliation, the justification, the faults in the stars. It is all nothing; it could all be nothing. Yield to me, my champions; yield, and I will brandish your world with thorns of iron, biting and terrible and great, for the glaring crusade that marches towards the unfaithful." And then we awaken. 👍
@@monkeysk8er33 I mean the zones and everything about it is good. My problem is with Sylvanas and the overpowered villain arc that has been portrayed countless times throughout expansions, like the villain doesn't have to God himself every expansion.
i absolutly love this theorys and over all these vids, i just kind hope/wish blizzard could pull it of halfway decent as you describe it, that could all be kinda massiv tbh lads
We've pretty much always been pawns when you think about it, we killed Illidan because we believed he was evil, we marched right into the seat of power of the Lich King for him to kill us all and nearly raise us into undeath as his champions. Many times have we done things that we thought were right to then find out that we were being played. It's just kind of how it goes.
Isn't Void just dancing to Life's tune? We assumed that the Remnant of the Void in the Emerald dream was void infecting Life, but it seems like it could be the opposite.
A real Master of Planning never sticks with just one plan. You have multiple pans made in order to achieve your goal. Have plan A to Z ready when things don’t go your way and if you can see an infinite possible futures well, better get planning.
What if N’zoth needed us out of the way to take over Azeroth? - what if Wrathion was the ‘boy king’ and was corrupted the entire time? The cloak he made us actually allowed N’zoth to more easily create an illusion of his defeat when he was safe in Xalatath the entire time - with no heroes on Azeroth could N’zoth filter Azerite into C’thun ? I would love the next expac to be ‘rise of the black Empire’ with an Azerite buffed C’thun in silithus and Wrathion ‘as the mid xpac bad- i would be super excited if Turalyon, panicking about the old gods return opens a portal to Alternate Draenor and brings the forces of Yrell through 🤗👊👊
I'm still wondering whether there was any kind of interaction between C'Thun's remains and the Azerite. I mean AQ was in Silithus after all. If Azerite is leaking all over on the literal other side of the planet, there's likely plenty of it seeping into whatever remained underground in AQ after Sarg stabbed Silithus. Azeroth's literal lifeblood + remains of an Old God can't be a good combination. Perhaps C'Thun is the one they were refering to when they were talking about "he" sleeps beneath the earth drinking it's power.
No..... any relevant remains of C'thun were already taken out by the cultists who worked for Cho'gall back in Cataclysm. C'thun was the specific one that was partially manifesting in Cho'gall when we fought and killed him.
@@ChinnuWoW no, Azeroth herself gave us the Heart. Just mentioning that Azerite is leaking/seeping/flowing all over the place even on the other side of the planet. Since C'Thun's dormant corpse is literally under Silithus, it's a pretty safe bet that Azerite is leaking into that underground chamber in AQ as well (especially given the physical damage that would have been done to the underground portions of AQ by Gorshalach being stabbed into the planet right above/next to it). We know that plain old mortal people can empower themselves by absorbing Azerite. Having the body of an Old God literally soaking in the stuff since the end of Legion this whole time, can't be a good thing.
@@laertesindeed That is incorrect. Cho'gall only absorbed part of C'thun's power, as Garrosh absorbed part of Y'sharaj's. C'thun's remnants have been seen as active, in canon, since Cata. Their remains spread across the ENTIRETY of Azeroth. Y'sharaj "lived" long after his death, as is made clear in MoP.
@@monkeysk8er33 I'm not interested in your head canon. There is absolutely "NOTHING" after cataclysm which indicates any physical piece of C'thun was doing anything anywhere. Not one shred. By all means, his non-physical spirit continues on because the old gods are beyond the cycle of life and death so he wasn't alive to begin with. And no, Y'shaarj never "lived" either...no such thing was ever stated or suggested or hinted in Mists of Pandaria. Metzen's writing makes it clear that Y'shaarj was not alive when Aman'thul defeated him...and the sha are merely a symptom of exposure to his residue....almost like the acid blood from a defeated Xenomorph in a different franchise.
The Old God's lore reallty got messed up in BFA in my eyes. I think that explaining the origin of the Old God's as creations of the void lords underminded their mysterious and unfathomable lovecraftian existence, and N'zoth got screwed over. BFA should have focused solely on the faction war and at the end, N'zoth should have been freed with the next expansion dedicated to fighting the full power of an Old God. Instead, the "full power" of an Old God was relegated to two zones and a raid in a single patch. It was a lackluster way to end the Old God's lore and I hope blizzard's story team can fix it
bellular you have a point. in the hour of twilight it never states how they will be freed from their prison. it just says that the old gods will be freed from their ancient prisons and will RETURN to end all life on azeroth
One thing iv'e noticed about Old Gods, is that everything they predict and everything that comes to pass is based on Azeroth, has there been an old god whisper or prophecy that doesn't primarily concern plots taking place on Azeroth?
I'd be OK with the Shadowland actually being an old god nightmare vision where in the end Zereth Mortis is actually an old titan installation and the Jailor we fight is an Alganon/MOTHER construct that we are fooled to be evil. While "it was all a dream" is generally bad writing just think of all the fixes to the lore it opens the door for
Since cross faction is coming up I am thinking if in future once Void vs Light war starts, we will not be choose one of these sides, like new "Horde vs Aliance"
If this is all a big bamboozle by N'zoth...I really want to see then what Murozond saw that made him call the dungeon the "gift we simply cannot comprehend." What did he see or did he see the TRUE hour of twilight? Is the desolate hellscape that was the end-times dungeon actually a blessing in disguise in that things could have really gone so far beyond tits up that we cannot comprehend it? Hell I would love for us to "come back to Azeroth" and actually its just been Norzdormu trying to wake all of our asses from this "super sleep" that N'zoth trapped us in and him alongside the other dragonflights having to wake our easily corrupted butts whilst having to fend off all manor of old-god love-craftian assaults is what finally tips him over (how he gets to that point could be thought out better but still).
Why does Belular keep saying that we never "cannonically removed the Gift of N'zoth"? Is there some place that states that the quest we did with Brother Pike (or Nailok for horde, both called "His Eye Upon You") to remove the gift is not cannon? That's been bugging me for a while. Thanks for any answers!
Blizzard haven't made it official that it was removed by everyone. As it stands, there are canonically multiple Maw Walkers (per Jaina quest text), and each had the choice to remove it, meaning some will still have it.
Remember that comic Blizzard put out leading up to some expension, maybe Legion… featuring an old man Anduin and Velen? From what we know today, I wonder what it could mean for the story of the game
Taking a drinking game where you take one everytime @Bell says ”plan” in this video would lead into a future which even most masterminded void lord would not forsee.
I have always had one key problem with the N'zoth arc. Most adventurers that had lasted long enough to be in the position were were in during BFA would find a knife that started talking to them and would NOT BLINDLY FOLLOW IT. That can always be written off as some NPC salvage team found the knife, Nzoth tentacled their brains, and off they went, but I just want that little bit of respect given back so that my character, all our characters, aren't morons.
I remember when Bellular posted this video but was actually accidental as it was the same as his other Old God video just with a different advert but for Skillshare lmao. You good tho Bellular, can happen.
@@epic-o2215 And yet we don't know what happens at the end of a patch that drops in one week. Of course data mining exists and has the potential to kill surprises, but they have proven they can actually hide things if they try hard enough, and on a personal note we don't HAVE to read them even if the do get data mined
i think, killing old gods frees them - is plausible, thats basically why titans didnt kill them. maybe the old gods are personas of dimensius - if you kill all, they reemerge and combine as dimensius, and THEN return.
I like to think of "The hour of twilight" as the same as "an hour to annihilation" as in we are "X minutes" from nuclear Armageddon in our existence here on Earth (Terra)
I'm not saying I think you're wrong but if you're not then WoW writing has really gone to shit because with this logic everyone, including Zooval, are all just a pawns of some other mastermind (written or not yet written) until the servers shut down. To quote Deadpool - That's just lazy writing.
Silvanus could go back to being forsaken, Nathanos is not in the Shadow lands. And she wakes up to "wow I've been a reall Bi**** to Nathanos" and "maybe I can get my soul back" new quest accepted.
Maybe its all the Berserk and Lovecraft I've been reading lately but I came to a similar conclusion. That when we realize we were following their plan all along would come at a moment where our actions/ritual involving the dragon flight or maybe even to take down the new light army will bring the old gods back in new bodies. Bodies that better exhibited their power and control, fully merging Azeroth with their, idk dimension? I'm a call it old god interstice. Maybe Azeroth starts to go mad afterward, repeating old god rhetoric on how she can now see all truths of the universe. I'm just weary of it cause I would definitely be wondering where you go from there but I imagine it would be so far off (2-3 expansions) that a future path would be more clear. I just hope we never see the void lords like they've shown the titan pantheon, hell I'd be ok if the old gods are really just all pieces of the void lords that could fit through to our world.
i have a legit question. We were told that every being goes to its realm after it dies. Fair enough, After that we're told that Argus broke the Arbiter. Was it explained how he ended up in the Shadowlands and not in the realms of Order?
from the sound of it the nathrezim were pumping him full of Death energy somehow, enough Fel energy made them demons so apparently the opposite was also true.
what would be extrem but not unrealistic would be that the old gods are manifestations of a being who dreams the world and all "lives" into existence and our fight against the void and other evils is in fact a fight against the mind of the dreamer to wake up. and its not really impossible as we have a somewhat same principle of the emerald dream, so that we are just thoughts of a higher being makes sense. BUT if this would be the case arent we the bad people? we hinder the higher being to ever awake again in our selfish fight for live but we will never be real, just struggling to not be erased by IT to awake. but in the end if IT isnt able to awake wouldnt IT starve or in other ways die? isnt the death unavoidable? isnt our fight pointless if this would be the truth?
Maybe the Old Gods told us the future because they want to help us. Remember that the Void is the opposite of the Light, and the Light sees things in stark good and evil, in a single correct path. The Void sees all paths and doesn't know which one is right, both in terms of what might happen, and in terms of morality and ideology. They talk to us while we fight them. They try to convince us of things. They give us gifts. In their insanity, we are equally their enemies and their friends. They hurt us, of course, but maybe, as much as they're capable of, they're also trying to be nice to us.
They literally made humans, dwarves, and gnomes from titan constructs with the curse of flesh. We are their children, corrupted into life from the mechanistic ordering of the titans.
Yes he did win. He corrupted everyone and they left the game in drowse ..... Utterly running their legs of to another universe, leaving N'zoth to rule alone in peace.
i hope that when we return from the Shadowlands, Azeroth will be in utter chaos and we will spend the next xpac killing off the threats and then rebuild the world. good old simple days
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You trying so hard to save this game man. I can tell you love it so. But it is probably to late for world of warcraft, it is time to move on.
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@@persevyr2803 ya... no.
@ i never asked you 🤔
@@persevyr2803 and bellular never asked you 😂
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I've been hoping for this to be true since we "killed" N'zoth, but at this point it feels a bit like hopium. :D
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Sorry about the publishing whoops over the weekend - We accidentally marked off the wrong video as having being published, leading us to publish the same video twice. WHOOPS! This is our video about... well. Mass Effect indoctrination theory, essentially. What if N'zoth won? Has N'zoth managed to leave his gift on us, paving the way for a massive void return? A true Hour of Twilight.
If you'd like to watch our video about how N'zoth seemingly knows Azeroth is at the center of creation, and all of those various Shadowlandsey implicationss, then check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/O9IVP0tl5Gs/v-deo.html
Ohhh ok
I saw the video again and thought to myself that it was very weird having a video at a few seconds old be this similar untill it hit me and UA-cam erased all traces of me watching it again.
I posted about this just now. Thanks for having brought it up. Best channel ever! Avid and loyal subscriber here.
Bellular: The Gift of N'Zoth was not canonically removed.
Me: Remembers my Orc Shaman removing said gift with the power of Akunda.
Also me: So what do you have against Akunda, Bellular?
In my headcanon, both my blood elf rogue and human shadow priest got the gift. The blood elf was creeped out by the eye, and Talanji had a priest of Akunda remove it. The shadow priest kept it, slowly going insane, until N'zoth's defeat restored her sanity, at least for now.
My pally still has his buff and I will never remove our Dark Gods blessing.
@@kyubii972 Same here!!
You're a beacon of hope for Warcraft's lore, I truely hope you are right
The amount of shit that you (and whoever works with you on these) manage to decipher and piece together is absolutely nuts, man. Every little detail so carefully analyzed to come up with the conclusions you present. Love these videos and I really hope this is the direction this is all going because that would be dope.
It'd be a shame if, after all that theorycrafting, we just lazerbeamed him to death... What if we systematically free'd all the Old Gods, and the true Hour of Twilight is coming soon.
If Blizzard could tie-in neatly Xal'atath(sp) and all the Old Gods breaking free, with Nozdormu's decent into madness on one side, and have the Scarlets, Lightbound, Blood Elves and the Lightforged launching a Crusade on the other side, with the Horde & Alliance stuck in the middle, I'd be impressed.
It's fertile grounds for a more fantasy-based, Azeroth-bound expansion at least!
BfA and Shadowlands felt like the fillers of the anime you’re watching, before it continues the main arc
Crazy how I used to think N'zoth was gonna do something cool in WoW. This shit used to get me hyped. The illusion of Azeroth being a living, breathing world has been broken by BFA and SL, and I just can't get invested in the lore anymore. :(
Bellular you’re ignoring the clear questline of purification that followed the gift.
I realized we were pawns back in Pandaria when we destroyed the Jade Serpent statue and hoped I was reading it wrong. Legion confirmed that I wasn’t and I I’ve not liked playing a pawn since. Shadowlands became too much.
Considering they are willing to retcon things less than a patch old I wouldn't mind if they retcon the void lords to be old gods. I love that asthetic more than the evil grape jelly so I really hope 8.3 wasn't the last of them.
The void lords are something far greater, they are the creators of the old gods. More powerful than any titan. So that would be a lame retcon.
@@ChinnuWoW where are they stated to be more powerful than titans
That would be some kind of retcon of a retcon, seeing as the original lore made it seem like they were interchangeable. Either way, I agree, Blizzards lore is all over the place, so might as well make it fun.
@@ChinnuWoW there’s no evidence the void lords actually even exist. Could easily be another lie told by the dread lords.
@@ChinnuWoW also, if they do exist, they are not more powerful than Azeroth
Great video Belly boy! Love these speculation video from you, I always have
It would be mega dumb if they just handwave all of Shadowlands as "it was just a dream!", the laziest of writing tropes.
Doesn't Wrathion kinda uses Xal'Atath (the dagger) to absorb N'zoth's essence ? The cinematic makes it look pretty much like that. If anything it might be a safer bet to say he's imprisoned rather than freed.
maybe some of his essence, but seeing as how all it really did was piss him off and send us another boss before we could face nzoth himself, id say it didnt pan out well. All it did is remove a layer of protection (seemingly)
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My biggest question about the lore related to the Void right now is this: where is Azshara? I think the answer at this point is pretty clear. She went to the Zereth associated with the Void to do…something
Your lore videos are the best content you guys make, in my opinion. Keep up the hard work.
even if this wasnt crystalized copium, i dont trust blizzard to write stuff well enough for this not to suck
Make N'zoth great again.
But seriously now... Azshara and N'zoth deserved an entire expansion for them. I mean... They are villains that makes way more sense than the Nipple Man, AKA Zovaal.
What made me suspect this might be a possibility is the fact there was no strong void presence in The Maw. If the Old Gods were in the afterlife, they should have altered the Shadowlands like how the titan we killed in Legion messed up the Arbiter
I should preface this by saying I don't like the Danuser writing and I don't consider it to be any connection to the real Metzen lore. However.....no, you apparently didn't play or pay attention to what happened in Bastion and what was told in writing during the Maldraxxus storyline. The void had already invaded Bastion and Maldraxxus in the past and it took a necrolord named "Mesil the Phantom" and the previous Paragon of Courage, Agthia, of Bastion sacrificing themselves in order to stop that Void invasion. The void had been there numerous times....and there is no reason they would need to go to the Maw. Afterall, the old gods describe themselves as "outside the cycle" , so they are not souls that ever get sent anywhere by any of the previous Arbiters.
I wish I had a dream that was so vivid, that it was real.
Anyways, like I have stated. The only way they can get rid of what Shadowlands did is to get rid of it entirely by having us enslaved in a dream state of the waking nightmare of the Old Gods. The problem is that you would have to start this before BFA happened and sometime after Legion ended with the sword stabbed into Azeroth. You can say that N'Zoth got freed when Sargeras stabbed Azeroth. This would be the best solution. Get rid of BFA and Shadowlands altogether.
Would make a lot of questions about where the allied races came from
Hm... seems we haven't been paying attention. The old gods needed Azeroth weakened enough to subdue her. Zovaal was the perfect tool. During the Void invasion of Bastion, He was corrupted and condemned to the Maw. The way is opened. The Void finally has a clear path to the engine of creation... and we have paved it. With that engine, what Star Augur Atreus saw, will be revealed. All eyes shall be opened. Azeroth, the sleeping Earth Mother, is doomed. For The Void!
These "what if" videos get depressing once realizing that WoW will never reach even 10% of this depth of story telling. I'm still waiting for a few main characters to show even the slightest acknowledgement that I've been on the journey with them all this time, since Vanilla in the case of some like Jaina.
Look at the WoW team all the way up to the end of wotlk then look at the WoW team today
Diversity hires killed WoW
Not all mortals go to the shadowlands. Some of them become demon, corrupted by fel energy, and go to the twisting nether. I also imagine souls dedicated to the Void or to the Light are also untouched by the Shadowlands. Both Elune and the Jailer have cheated the Arbiter system, so its an easy assumption others have too
By definition..... if a mortal being consumes fel and has their soul bound to fel; they are no longer mortal. So you would still have to say that all mortals go to the shadowlands. (You could certainly say that what Danuser wrote is not the same thing that Metzen called shadowlands....but either way, mortals go to it)
@@laertesindeed lol you know what I’m saying, souls can be messed around with and placed here or there. I’m just waiting for someone other than me to come up with the theory that if Elune can do something to night elf souls that had her believing she had the Arbiter send them to Ardeanweald, then the Jailer could do the same for victims of the Scourge.
@@epiccthulu No..... you really need to read the kyrian campaign in full as well as the world quest called Limbo where the fates of scourge and demons and elementals and naaru and other beings are decided. I think the Danuser writing is terrible..... but he did already give an explanation of why his bad writing already settled these things you are getting wrong.
@@laertesindeed Thank you for pointing me to that world quest, Limbo, because it actually adds validation to my theory. Let me copy paste for you. (I removed the answer key to keep it to the lore)
Ancient Naaru (naaru)
Watcher Jacintha says: Correct. Souls with sufficiently strong ties to other cosmic forces must be allowed to return.
Watcher Jacintha says: This is incorrect. We must not ferry souls who bear ties to other forces.
and...
Vile Fatedancer (shivarra)
Watcher Jacintha says: Correct. Demons must return to the Twisting Nether from whence they came.
Pass to Shadowlands (wrong)
Watcher Jacintha says: Demons have no place in the Shadowlands, save for the occasional combatant in Maldraxxus.
@@epiccthulu Are you trying to be daft on purpose? Are you a narcissist? The Limbo world quest proves your claims are totally false. Scourge are sent right back to where they were. Zovaal does not get control of them because they don't go to the maw. That's why I told you to read it.
I mean this is total Hopium but i really like the idea. At the same time i also wish we're still in the vision of Algalon and we could just go back to Wotlk and go from there.
At the end of Shadowlands, you hear a whisper. "Do you see now, champions," He says, "Do you see now what letting her go free will cost? The humiliation, the justification, the faults in the stars. It is all nothing; it could all be nothing. Yield to me, my champions; yield, and I will brandish your world with thorns of iron, biting and terrible and great, for the glaring crusade that marches towards the unfaithful."
And then we awaken. 👍
jesus that sounds awesome, i would love to see it. would wash away everything shadowlands did bad.
@@xlmrami2729 What has Shadowlands done, lore wise, that is "bad?"
@@monkeysk8er33 I mean the zones and everything about it is good. My problem is with Sylvanas and the overpowered villain arc that has been portrayed countless times throughout expansions, like the villain doesn't have to God himself every expansion.
i absolutly love this theorys and over all these vids, i just kind hope/wish blizzard could pull it of halfway decent as you describe it, that could all be kinda massiv tbh lads
We've pretty much always been pawns when you think about it, we killed Illidan because we believed he was evil, we marched right into the seat of power of the Lich King for him to kill us all and nearly raise us into undeath as his champions. Many times have we done things that we thought were right to then find out that we were being played. It's just kind of how it goes.
Isn't Void just dancing to Life's tune? We assumed that the Remnant of the Void in the Emerald dream was void infecting Life, but it seems like it could be the opposite.
A real Master of Planning never sticks with just one plan. You have multiple pans made in order to achieve your goal. Have plan A to Z ready when things don’t go your way and if you can see an infinite possible futures well, better get planning.
Love these videos…keep up the great work 👍🏻
What if N’zoth needed us out of the way to take over Azeroth? - what if Wrathion was the ‘boy king’ and was corrupted the entire time? The cloak he made us actually allowed N’zoth to more easily create an illusion of his defeat when he was safe in Xalatath the entire time - with no heroes on Azeroth could N’zoth filter Azerite into C’thun ? I would love the next expac to be ‘rise of the black
Empire’ with an Azerite buffed C’thun in silithus and Wrathion ‘as the mid xpac bad- i would be super excited if Turalyon, panicking about the old gods return opens a portal to Alternate Draenor and brings the forces of Yrell through 🤗👊👊
getting real sick of this everyone gets to do bad shit because they were mind controlled shit as well
your lore video's are almost always better then what they actually put out.
I'm still wondering whether there was any kind of interaction between C'Thun's remains and the Azerite. I mean AQ was in Silithus after all. If Azerite is leaking all over on the literal other side of the planet, there's likely plenty of it seeping into whatever remained underground in AQ after Sarg stabbed Silithus. Azeroth's literal lifeblood + remains of an Old God can't be a good combination. Perhaps C'Thun is the one they were refering to when they were talking about "he" sleeps beneath the earth drinking it's power.
No..... any relevant remains of C'thun were already taken out by the cultists who worked for Cho'gall back in Cataclysm. C'thun was the specific one that was partially manifesting in Cho'gall when we fought and killed him.
Does that mean the azerite power we were using was partly C'Thun's blood and was corrupting us? That's interesting.
@@ChinnuWoW no, Azeroth herself gave us the Heart. Just mentioning that Azerite is leaking/seeping/flowing all over the place even on the other side of the planet. Since C'Thun's dormant corpse is literally under Silithus, it's a pretty safe bet that Azerite is leaking into that underground chamber in AQ as well (especially given the physical damage that would have been done to the underground portions of AQ by Gorshalach being stabbed into the planet right above/next to it). We know that plain old mortal people can empower themselves by absorbing Azerite. Having the body of an Old God literally soaking in the stuff since the end of Legion this whole time, can't be a good thing.
@@laertesindeed That is incorrect. Cho'gall only absorbed part of C'thun's power, as Garrosh absorbed part of Y'sharaj's. C'thun's remnants have been seen as active, in canon, since Cata. Their remains spread across the ENTIRETY of Azeroth. Y'sharaj "lived" long after his death, as is made clear in MoP.
@@monkeysk8er33 I'm not interested in your head canon. There is absolutely "NOTHING" after cataclysm which indicates any physical piece of C'thun was doing anything anywhere. Not one shred. By all means, his non-physical spirit continues on because the old gods are beyond the cycle of life and death so he wasn't alive to begin with. And no, Y'shaarj never "lived" either...no such thing was ever stated or suggested or hinted in Mists of Pandaria. Metzen's writing makes it clear that Y'shaarj was not alive when Aman'thul defeated him...and the sha are merely a symptom of exposure to his residue....almost like the acid blood from a defeated Xenomorph in a different franchise.
Super video! Thanks for the interesting theories as always :)
The Void: „I have seen it. Our future. And as you watch I have already seen the final act.“
all the expansions are a nightmare indused by Murky destroyer of worlds, when we wake up from it Murky will be already lord of Azeroth
The Old God's lore reallty got messed up in BFA in my eyes. I think that explaining the origin of the Old God's as creations of the void lords underminded their mysterious and unfathomable lovecraftian existence, and N'zoth got screwed over. BFA should have focused solely on the faction war and at the end, N'zoth should have been freed with the next expansion dedicated to fighting the full power of an Old God. Instead, the "full power" of an Old God was relegated to two zones and a raid in a single patch. It was a lackluster way to end the Old God's lore and I hope blizzard's story team can fix it
bellular you have a point. in the hour of twilight it never states how they will be freed from their prison. it just says that the old gods will be freed from their ancient prisons and will RETURN to end all life on azeroth
One thing iv'e noticed about Old Gods, is that everything they predict and everything that comes to pass is based on Azeroth, has there been an old god whisper or prophecy that doesn't primarily concern plots taking place on Azeroth?
I love the idea of void winning. The old gods are just way too cool to be defeated or pushed aside.
I'd be OK with the Shadowland actually being an old god nightmare vision where in the end Zereth Mortis is actually an old titan installation and the Jailor we fight is an Alganon/MOTHER construct that we are fooled to be evil.
While "it was all a dream" is generally bad writing just think of all the fixes to the lore it opens the door for
You continue to put more effort into the lore than the people who write it.
Stop with this meme, this video is super low effort
Since cross faction is coming up I am thinking if in future once Void vs Light war starts, we will not be choose one of these sides, like new "Horde vs Aliance"
If this is all a big bamboozle by N'zoth...I really want to see then what Murozond saw that made him call the dungeon the "gift we simply cannot comprehend." What did he see or did he see the TRUE hour of twilight? Is the desolate hellscape that was the end-times dungeon actually a blessing in disguise in that things could have really gone so far beyond tits up that we cannot comprehend it? Hell I would love for us to "come back to Azeroth" and actually its just been Norzdormu trying to wake all of our asses from this "super sleep" that N'zoth trapped us in and him alongside the other dragonflights having to wake our easily corrupted butts whilst having to fend off all manor of old-god love-craftian assaults is what finally tips him over (how he gets to that point could be thought out better but still).
I have been predicting (hoping for) this theory that we were just “dreaming”.
Bruh spare us with old hods shits already men i think we have enough of them after 20years
Why does Belular keep saying that we never "cannonically removed the Gift of N'zoth"? Is there some place that states that the quest we did with Brother Pike (or Nailok for horde, both called "His Eye Upon You") to remove the gift is not cannon?
That's been bugging me for a while. Thanks for any answers!
Blizzard haven't made it official that it was removed by everyone. As it stands, there are canonically multiple Maw Walkers (per Jaina quest text), and each had the choice to remove it, meaning some will still have it.
@@BellularGaming ah, I see, that makes sense. Thanks for answering!
I totally kept mine. N'Zoth gives player housing, at the end of the day 👍
this is the way
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Remember that comic Blizzard put out leading up to some expension, maybe Legion… featuring an old man Anduin and Velen? From what we know today, I wonder what it could mean for the story of the game
Taking a drinking game where you take one everytime @Bell says ”plan” in this video would lead into a future which even most masterminded void lord would not forsee.
No just no..."it was all just a dream" being used to justify retcons and sweep away shitting storytelling and bad design is just complete garbage
What if all the old gods are actually just parts of one massive void god and by killing them, we reunited the pieces
love listening to these but at the same time.... ;_; I do believe Blizz is just dropping plot points
The only way to predict the future is to make it happen.
I have always had one key problem with the N'zoth arc. Most adventurers that had lasted long enough to be in the position were were in during BFA would find a knife that started talking to them and would NOT BLINDLY FOLLOW IT.
That can always be written off as some NPC salvage team found the knife, Nzoth tentacled their brains, and off they went, but I just want that little bit of respect given back so that my character, all our characters, aren't morons.
Illidan & sargeras will be the super buddies in this case! Hype
I remember when Bellular posted this video but was actually accidental as it was the same as his other Old God video just with a different advert but for Skillshare lmao. You good tho Bellular, can happen.
what's so bad about the void anyway?
everything just gets purple? purple's not a bad color
I don’t even need to play the game anymore, I just watch these videos lol
classic Bellular Void/Old God video
at the hour of her third death, she ushers in our comming
I am pretty excited to see the new cinematics in the Sepulcher. I just feel like they're actually gonna catch us off guard for once.
cant, datamining exists, all wonder is always removed before we get to play it.
@@epic-o2215 And yet we don't know what happens at the end of a patch that drops in one week. Of course data mining exists and has the potential to kill surprises, but they have proven they can actually hide things if they try hard enough, and on a personal note we don't HAVE to read them even if the do get data mined
Like demons we do not kill the old gods we merely push them out for a time.
I ate whole egg without biting it and now am changin to transformer.
i think, killing old gods frees them - is plausible, thats basically why titans didnt kill them.
maybe the old gods are personas of dimensius - if you kill all, they reemerge and combine as dimensius, and THEN return.
I don't have faith in the competency of the wow writing team to pull something like this off
The wound hasn't healed yet, TOO SOON!
(The ME indoctrination theory)
Look at the architecture of zerith mortise and nyalotha..... seems very similar
A other good vidoe dude keep it up you rock. Realy want to see light vs void
I like to think of "The hour of twilight" as the same as "an hour to annihilation" as in we are "X minutes" from nuclear Armageddon in our existence here on Earth (Terra)
I hope we get some reveal of what was done with all the Odd Crystals we collected for the Ethereal Zarhaal in N’Zoth’s horrific visions.
I'm not holding my breath.
I'm not saying I think you're wrong but if you're not then WoW writing has really gone to shit because with this logic everyone, including Zooval, are all just a pawns of some other mastermind (written or not yet written) until the servers shut down. To quote Deadpool - That's just lazy writing.
I hope Bellular will grow a pompadour with the new hair, just have it for a month because he can, the lucky bastard.
Blizzard watching this taking notes
did any of us wake up? o man what a way to recon a whole expansion.
Get poked in the side "Git up Champion.. We need to heal the wuuuuuns!"
Silvanus could go back to being forsaken, Nathanos is not in the Shadow lands. And she wakes up to "wow I've been a reall Bi**** to Nathanos" and "maybe I can get my soul back" new quest accepted.
@@HIROX13 And then we kill them both.
Maybe the Old Gods could assemble into a Mega(Mecha) -Old God, now that they get to be together finally! Fusion, HA!
Blizz isn't creative enough to do something like this, but I wish they would.
Maybe its all the Berserk and Lovecraft I've been reading lately but I came to a similar conclusion. That when we realize we were following their plan all along would come at a moment where our actions/ritual involving the dragon flight or maybe even to take down the new light army will bring the old gods back in new bodies. Bodies that better exhibited their power and control, fully merging Azeroth with their, idk dimension? I'm a call it old god interstice. Maybe Azeroth starts to go mad afterward, repeating old god rhetoric on how she can now see all truths of the universe. I'm just weary of it cause I would definitely be wondering where you go from there but I imagine it would be so far off (2-3 expansions) that a future path would be more clear. I just hope we never see the void lords like they've shown the titan pantheon, hell I'd be ok if the old gods are really just all pieces of the void lords that could fit through to our world.
i have a legit question. We were told that every being goes to its realm after it dies. Fair enough, After that we're told that Argus broke the Arbiter. Was it explained how he ended up in the Shadowlands and not in the realms of Order?
from the sound of it the nathrezim were pumping him full of Death energy somehow, enough Fel energy made them demons so apparently the opposite was also true.
If N'zoth meant and wanted to be killed it would make 8.3 a whole lot more interesting.
'Don't call me Shirley' 😁
what would be extrem but not unrealistic would be that the old gods are manifestations of a being who dreams the world and all "lives" into existence and our fight against the void and other evils is in fact a fight against the mind of the dreamer to wake up. and its not really impossible as we have a somewhat same principle of the emerald dream, so that we are just thoughts of a higher being makes sense.
BUT if this would be the case arent we the bad people? we hinder the higher being to ever awake again in our selfish fight for live but we will never be real, just struggling to not be erased by IT to awake. but in the end if IT isnt able to awake wouldnt IT starve or in other ways die? isnt the death unavoidable? isnt our fight pointless if this would be the truth?
Maybe the Old Gods told us the future because they want to help us. Remember that the Void is the opposite of the Light, and the Light sees things in stark good and evil, in a single correct path. The Void sees all paths and doesn't know which one is right, both in terms of what might happen, and in terms of morality and ideology. They talk to us while we fight them. They try to convince us of things. They give us gifts. In their insanity, we are equally their enemies and their friends. They hurt us, of course, but maybe, as much as they're capable of, they're also trying to be nice to us.
They literally made humans, dwarves, and gnomes from titan constructs with the curse of flesh. We are their children, corrupted into life from the mechanistic ordering of the titans.
N'Zoth: This is the way
I still hope the end of shadowlands is just us waking from the nightmare of nzoth
Still hopping for a full on Emerald Dream expansion
Sezurah awakens cinematic will be the void portal watch
Yes he did win. He corrupted everyone and they left the game in drowse ..... Utterly running their legs of to another universe, leaving N'zoth to rule alone in peace.
Can you please make a compilation of all the times you predicted right and wrong in the past?
Said in another post, if all of shadowlands was a dream, I wouldn’t even be mad.
to answer your question at the very start of the video...
YES, everynight
The gift of nzoth gets removed with the hrough His Eye Upon You questline dude.
And dont call me Sherley.
Everyone is already hating Zovaal's 8D chess game, I think pulling a Void's 9D chess game could be too much of a risk.
i hope that when we return from the Shadowlands, Azeroth will be in utter chaos and we will spend the next xpac killing off the threats and then rebuild the world. good old simple days
YES! Let us all empty our balls for this. This feels not only okay, it feels fucking interesting!