After 30 years in the game and 4-5 years watching golf content on You Tube, hours and hours, you still manage to surprise me with simple and original ideas. A massive thumbs up from Denmark 👍👍
Excellent stuff, gents. Might give this a go after my course reopens and I’ve played a couple of rounds. If I did it now, I’d probably end up with lines facing in every direction!
Great video. This is something that I use quite a bit. But, if I could add some of the hiccups that I came across and my work arounds. Firstly being level. The ground needs to be flat, but more importantly the ball needs to be perfectly perpendicular to the ground. If your ball is not perfectly upright then it could be skewing your data. When I do this test, I use a triple track ball and an alignment marking mask. Mark the ball along the three parallel lines and make a forth line at right angles to the others. It basically creates a crosshair on your club showing you, not only the lie angle at impact, but also the strike location. Remember also, that changing your shaft length changes the lie. lengthening the shaft makes the club lie more toe up. So gripping down on the club will make it play toe down. Love your work boys, Brian
That is a great tip and one I will check on the 29th March when I can next play golf. My irons are 3 degrees upright and half inch longer!!! I ca now verify they are correct.
Great video right here & something most amateur golfers have never heard of or ever had their clubs & swings checked for! I've came so close a few times to buying a Club loft & lie angle adjusting machine, just seemed like a far too expensive tool to only be using for my own clubs! Lie angles play a huge role in ball flight directions...glad Lester showed that with that magnet stick on the face!
Hi Dan and Lester, The last time I had this done to check the lie of my irons,was,believe it or not,by a Titleist club fitter when I had my ap2 718's fitted by him. It turned out that my irons were to made 1°upright. Great vid ,Cheers,Boys👍
Having the lie angle on new wedges assessed shortly which has encouraged me to do the same with the other irons. The use of strike mats is less now I believe as they do sit slightly up from the ground and so assessment can be slightly inaccurate. Golf ball , pen and club - great feedback
Similar to Lester I was fitted for apex pros at 3 degrees upright but couldn’t get over the visual side so bent back to 1 degree and so far so good 👍🏻 Great Video!
Currently working through that at the moment. Have a set of irons at 2* flat which I have tested with 6;7&8i and the line is more or less straight up and down and starting mostly on target from net testing. Now getting a set I was fitted for as Mizuno “standard” lie and they look toe up at address and when testing recently in the net at home ball has been starting left of target. I got fitted with my wedges 2* flat So looking to get the irons also bent flat to help manage that left starting line. Interestingly my coach sat in on the first part of my fitting and felt the clubs should be set a little flatter. I went with the fitters recommendation on the day. But lockdown changes and a series of Fleetwood type impact drills has see the swing flatten out a little. Looking forward to seeing what the ball flight looks like beyond 6 feet into a net on the range tomorrow! 👍🏼
What a great tip 👍🏼 I did know about it but totally forgot. I’m going to measure all my clubs now in order to see if they need to be adjusted or not. Can we get more of these great tips guys!!!
To the 5% Dan Henderson Golf UA-cam Subs, who are closed face-to-path, handle raising Drawers of the golf ball (Lester's swing), don't rush out and get your clubs bent Upright, it will only make your Draw worse. As Lester pointed out, having a slight toe-down lie angle (0 to 3 degrees), is perfectly acceptable if you are a drawer of the ball and you want to use a Flatter-Lie-Angle to help the Start-Path be initially Right-of-Target
So true! I hit quite straight maybe a little draw naturally and once I adjusted to 2 degrees upright I have a distinct draw which can become a hook on a miss hit. And I still clearly hit the toe with 2 upright.
You guys are great. Thanks for the awesome tip. I will play around on the range with that (hopefully the weather will cooperate here in Austria and we had the last snow last weekend) cheers guys
As usual a great video and very informative. I play with graphite shafts and am going to my pro to get the swing weights checked. Do you think that the iron clubs should all have the same SW or should the SW be progressive?
Pros you can get clubs fine tuned to your current swing. Might improve shots up to 5% better (maybe more in terms of distance, dispersion etc). Can adjust lie angle, length, weight (swing weight if using one of the top fitters), spine align shafts plus trying out multiple shafts/heads combos, trackman/GCquad data Cons if your swing changes you may have to get them altered (not much of a problem these days), you can get a bad fit from some pros as all they are interested in is the sale (lie boards are rubbish imo so if I ever went and got fit and they brought that out I'd probably not trust them lol), can cost a fee (but normally if you choose to go through that person they will deduct fee from order)
Hello Dan. Can you tell me if all manufacturers club heads are of similar static weight range for each different specific type of club head ie driver iron hybrid.I have been told Ping heads are heavier than others and hence why they use counter balance shafts.
Good tip Dan, I went to the basement to try this and found that the Blue line ended up on my hosel, I think maybe I need a thicker line?? bigger clubs?? a new hobby ??
I'm game to try this out. The wear pattern on my blacked out clubs tell me all we need to know. I'm making contact center face top to bottom but toe to heel, I'm off center by a full half in towards the toe. And that's pretty much the same for all my irons and wedges. The clubs are 1 degree upright at present. Does that indicate I need a shallower angle on them?
Also an added bonus to this, is that people are learning their strike point. Some ranges don't allow you to mark balls, so to be aware of that. Now i have an excuse to get a net in the back garden
Going to try this tomorrow, been using foot spray on my club faces to work on my strike and I’ve noticed the longer the iron the more my strike is towards the toe. My longer irons tend to start right. Could this be an indication that my lie angle is too flat? Bought my irons second hand so thinking I could do with a lie and loft adjustment
Along the self custom fit idea I did an experiment with some cheapish irons thru lock down. I always gripped down on "standard" irons making it a bit uncomfortable to swing so with the new irons I cut 2in of them all ,4-9,strengthened the lofts by 2 degrees and found that my timing had improved greatly and there was actually a little gain in distance, I believe because they "felt" right and luckily the lie angle wasn't a problem. .....would I dare do it with £1000 ish set of clubs tho, hmmmmmm.
This is a method i use myself whenever i buy second hand clubs before I get them adjusted, unless i am hitting them arrow straight then regardless of the lie i will leave them otherwise i am possibly going to add left or right to my ball flight.
Hey Dan, I’m. It sure if this makes sense but fitting the lie angle is done off a flat hitting mat, how does the slopes you encounter on the course affect the club delivery. I’ve always thought that fittings are done in an almost clinical way where the lie is always perfect and rarely replicated on course.
Ball below the feet, or downhill lie will go to the right. Ball above the feet or uphill lie will go to the left. For a right-handed golfer. Adjust your aim accordingly. Take one club shorter in uphill and one longer in downhill.
@@chrischopper4512 The important thing is that you know how the ball will react in different lies and adjust accordingly. I would never make lie adjustments to my club based on the lies. Your lie angle depends on your swing. It will be different to mine, but no matter if you're "neutral", flat or upright you'll make a "level" contact, thus a slight terrain angle will have the same result, no matter if your swing dictates you to have 2 flat or 2 upright.
Sick to my back teeth of hitting straight pushes I got a local pro to bend an old mizuno iron 3° upright, having watched a txg video on lie angles and instantly it straightened up my ball flight to my aim. I'd spent so many frustrating hours on the range trying to straighten that flight and all it took was a bit of club bending.
Love the fact that despite the carpark being empty, the silver van still can’t be parked in a bay 😂 please tell me that was Lester’s?? Or yours? 😉 Another great video though Dan! Keep them coming
Probably an obvious question, but would the lie angle affect the flight of the ball. I have a tendency to hit the ball too high and end up loosing distance?
Don’t know how you can be consistent by delivering the face like that. The toe must be hitting the turf first making things even more unpredictable. Or am I reading this wrong.
When I was fitted for lie before they did it with a strike board and looked at the sole of the club for markings, I've heard that this is not reliable and not used anymore?
@@paulmilsom1346 maybe, it gives a pretty good indication though.. But also ive had standard lies before now 3 upright and a good 6 toe down at impact. But never lost many shots right before..
I honestly can’t remember how my Ping’s were aligned, I have had 3 sets fitted and all three are white dots and 1/4” longer than standard. I think white dot is 2deg upright from memory.
I think I remember seeing Alex Evans do this. I think I then tested it out but can’t remember my results so I clearly did nothing with them, unless they were spot on 🤔🤷🏻♂️😂
One slight word of caution, if you are happy with your Ball flight and you are getting the shot shape that you want, don't adjust the lie angle of your club
After 30 years in the game and 4-5 years watching golf content on You Tube, hours and hours, you still manage to surprise me with simple and original ideas. A massive thumbs up from Denmark 👍👍
I want to get to Denmark 🇩🇰 one day for some golf 👍
Class content as always , love these fitting / building vids.
instablaster...
Excellent stuff, gents. Might give this a go after my course reopens and I’ve played a couple of rounds. If I did it now, I’d probably end up with lines facing in every direction!
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Been doing this for a few years now, such a great thing to do to keep on top of your irons especially if they’re forged and can easily move
Very good that. Simple process you can do, and then redo whenever you feel the need.
Very interesting again Dan. I'd never heard of this idea, so will try and see. Thanks very much. More of the same please!
Great video. This is something that I use quite a bit. But, if I could add some of the hiccups that I came across and my work arounds.
Firstly being level.
The ground needs to be flat, but more importantly the ball needs to be perfectly perpendicular to the ground. If your ball is not perfectly upright then it could be skewing your data.
When I do this test, I use a triple track ball and an alignment marking mask. Mark the ball along the three parallel lines and make a forth line at right angles to the others. It basically creates a crosshair on your club showing you, not only the lie angle at impact, but also the strike location.
Remember also, that changing your shaft length changes the lie. lengthening the shaft makes the club lie more toe up. So gripping down on the club will make it play toe down.
Love your work boys,
Brian
This is a great video. Checking the lie angles of my clubs is something that I didn't know how to do before. Thank you Dan and Lester.
That is a great tip and one I will check on the 29th March when I can next play golf. My irons are 3 degrees upright and half inch longer!!! I ca now verify they are correct.
Great video right here & something most amateur golfers have never heard of or ever had their clubs & swings checked for! I've came so close a few times to buying a Club loft & lie angle adjusting machine, just seemed like a far too expensive tool to only be using for my own clubs! Lie angles play a huge role in ball flight directions...glad Lester showed that with that magnet stick on the face!
Hi Dan and Lester,
The last time I had this done to check the lie of my irons,was,believe it or not,by a Titleist club fitter when I had my ap2 718's fitted by him.
It turned out that my irons were to made 1°upright.
Great vid ,Cheers,Boys👍
Great video guys Gunna give it a go!
Really interesting, I don't particularly want new clubs but definitely try this and go and see my pro 👍
This is brilliant. Excellent stuff guys.
Yes, great video, I will check all my irons. Thank you
Having the lie angle on new wedges assessed shortly which has encouraged me to do the same with the other irons. The use of strike mats is less now I believe as they do sit slightly up from the ground and so assessment can be slightly inaccurate. Golf ball , pen and club - great feedback
That was brilliant - and so simple 👍👍
Brilliant, I think I’ll experiment with this to see what’s up with my irons. Thanks Lester for this DIY tip.
Dan and Lester thank you for this tip .will try it tomorrow in my net👍👍
awesome - something to do during lockdown! thanks guys
I've seen John Daly do that same thing with a dry-erase marker when he had his short-lived TV show on the Golf Channel. 👍
Awesome tip guys, love it👍
Would love to see, how to check the degrees of each club without the machine that fitters might have, is there a way of doing it at home
Great video guys. Always good to learn something new. Easy to do your own home test before you head to a shop.
this was a very simple and smart way to do this. Awesome content as always.
Will definitely give this a try!
Excellent video guys.
Excellent video guys, very well explained.
Similar to Lester I was fitted for apex pros at 3 degrees upright but couldn’t get over the visual side so bent back to 1 degree and so far so good 👍🏻 Great Video!
Love the video. I got fitted for Mizuno irons and I know what my best number for my 5 iron is but didn't check the whole set.
Very interesting stuff and worth a check - hopefully mine were new and fitted a year ago so should be ok still?
Currently working through that at the moment. Have a set of irons at 2* flat which I have tested with 6;7&8i and the line is more or less straight up and down and starting mostly on target from net testing. Now getting a set I was fitted for as Mizuno “standard” lie and they look toe up at address and when testing recently in the net at home ball has been starting left of target. I got fitted with my wedges 2* flat So looking to get the irons also bent flat to help manage that left starting line. Interestingly my coach sat in on the first part of my fitting and felt the clubs should be set a little flatter. I went with the fitters recommendation on the day. But lockdown changes and a series of Fleetwood type impact drills has see the swing flatten out a little. Looking forward to seeing what the ball flight looks like beyond 6 feet into a net on the range tomorrow! 👍🏼
Well explained, definitely something I'll try👍
brilliant, nice easy way to check, will be doing this x
I learned so much on this video.
Thanks to both of you. Very useful information! Cheers
What a great tip 👍🏼 I did know about it but totally forgot. I’m going to measure all my clubs now in order to see if they need to be adjusted or not. Can we get more of these great tips guys!!!
great tip guys, hope your doing ok Lester
Cool DIY tip, guys! Fingers crossed you enjoy a smooth re-opening of courses next week!
To the 5% Dan Henderson Golf UA-cam Subs, who are closed face-to-path, handle raising Drawers of the golf ball (Lester's swing), don't rush out and get your clubs bent Upright, it will only make your Draw worse. As Lester pointed out, having a slight toe-down lie angle (0 to 3 degrees), is perfectly acceptable if you are a drawer of the ball and you want to use a Flatter-Lie-Angle to help the Start-Path be initially Right-of-Target
So true! I hit quite straight maybe a little draw naturally and once I adjusted to 2 degrees upright I have a distinct draw which can become a hook on a miss hit. And I still clearly hit the toe with 2 upright.
ive just put new( to me) wedges in and pulling them left . i was thinking the toe looked high at address so ill be doing this tonight .. cheers boys
Great video, this type of stuff has always interested me.
Great explanation 👍 was always quite confused about how lie angles would affect the ball flight. I'll be giving this a go! Thanks guys 🙌
Very good video boys , you certainly go where others don’t and personally I don’t know why you’ve not reached 100,000 👍
A valuable video, thank you sir
You guys are great. Thanks for the awesome tip. I will play around on the range with that (hopefully the weather will cooperate here in Austria and we had the last snow last weekend) cheers guys
Hi Karlheinz, how are you doing😊
As usual a great video and very informative. I play with graphite shafts and am going to my pro to get the swing weights checked. Do you think that the iron clubs should all have the same SW or should the SW be progressive?
Great video cheers boys!
Great video thanks guys
Dan, would be keen to hear yours and Lesters opinion on club fitting and the general pros and cons.
Pros you can get clubs fine tuned to your current swing. Might improve shots up to 5% better (maybe more in terms of distance, dispersion etc). Can adjust lie angle, length, weight (swing weight if using one of the top fitters), spine align shafts plus trying out multiple shafts/heads combos, trackman/GCquad data
Cons if your swing changes you may have to get them altered (not much of a problem these days), you can get a bad fit from some pros as all they are interested in is the sale (lie boards are rubbish imo so if I ever went and got fit and they brought that out I'd probably not trust them lol), can cost a fee (but normally if you choose to go through that person they will deduct fee from order)
@@2009Stefon thanks for the reply mate really useful info.
Evening dan and lester very interesting as I don’t really think many people do this as consistently hitting the ground must move your clubs over time
Handy. Thank you.
as always, top content. Loving this idea!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Brilliant, definitely getting mine checked, was fitted 2° upright, it's not looking right at address , the toe seems very upright, cheers lads
Its what you deliver at impact rather than how it is at address...
Mine are now bent 2deg toe down to stop my left hit, worked perfectly and still hit woth a very slight draw but can also fade if i try
Hope lester’s copping with loss . . . Good little tip . I will try that . Great vid guys xx
Hello Dan. Can you tell me if all manufacturers club heads are of similar static weight range for each different specific type of club head ie driver iron hybrid.I have been told Ping heads are heavier than others and hence why they use counter balance shafts.
Good tip Dan, I went to the basement to try this and found that the Blue line ended up on my hosel, I think maybe I need a thicker line?? bigger clubs?? a new hobby ??
😂
thanks, totally gonna try that. However, if i dont have forged irons ( i play Wilson C200 & Cobra F9) can they actually be bent???
Yeah they can but not by much, maybe a degree or 2
simple instruction but wholly useful
Good stuff ( information) MATE ...
Very good video, no actually GREAT video.
Another excellent insight!
Unfortunately I never hit the same spot on the club face twice so I’d have to move my clubs over and over 😂
Greatest video ever
I'm game to try this out. The wear pattern on my blacked out clubs tell me all we need to know. I'm making contact center face top to bottom but toe to heel, I'm off center by a full half in towards the toe. And that's pretty much the same for all my irons and wedges. The clubs are 1 degree upright at present. Does that indicate I need a shallower angle on them?
Stand a bit closer to the ball maybe? Move that strike towards the heel!
My Titleist fitter done this in my fitting.
Great vid! - I’m off to fit my own clubs - this could be a car crash.........😂
Also an added bonus to this, is that people are learning their strike point. Some ranges don't allow you to mark balls, so to be aware of that. Now i have an excuse to get a net in the back garden
great video, Blue marks on the range balls, I'm sure they wont mind 😂
Very useful!!!!
Spent the whole first lockdown hitting balls in a net with this line on to track and improve my strike. Came out of lockdown scoring much better.
This is excellent!
This is great info
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Going to try this tomorrow, been using foot spray on my club faces to work on my strike and I’ve noticed the longer the iron the more my strike is towards the toe. My longer irons tend to start right. Could this be an indication that my lie angle is too flat? Bought my irons second hand so thinking I could do with a lie and loft adjustment
Definitely could be, give this a go though 👍
Hi Dan and lester, great tip but can cast irons be bent or is it just forged irons.
Yes they can, but not by much
Great video, I learnt a lot. I have LOFT problems. " lack of f-ing talent"
Along the self custom fit idea I did an experiment with some cheapish irons thru lock down. I always gripped down on "standard" irons making it a bit uncomfortable to swing so with the new irons I cut 2in of them all ,4-9,strengthened the lofts by 2 degrees and found that my timing had improved greatly and there was actually a little gain in distance, I believe because they "felt" right and luckily the lie angle wasn't a problem. .....would I dare do it with £1000 ish set of clubs tho, hmmmmmm.
Good idea!
Don't think this would work with us that mishit the ball. But it may help us with learning to strike the ball more consistently.
Does anyone know if it is OK to use a fitting golf club as your personal golf club ?
This is a method i use myself whenever i buy second hand clubs before I get them adjusted, unless i am hitting them arrow straight then regardless of the lie i will leave them otherwise i am possibly going to add left or right to my ball flight.
Hey Dan, I’m. It sure if this makes sense but fitting the lie angle is done off a flat hitting mat, how does the slopes you encounter on the course affect the club delivery. I’ve always thought that fittings are done in an almost clinical way where the lie is always perfect and rarely replicated on course.
Ball below the feet, or downhill lie will go to the right. Ball above the feet or uphill lie will go to the left. For a right-handed golfer. Adjust your aim accordingly. Take one club shorter in uphill and one longer in downhill.
@@Pronnmo 100% but I was thinking more on the fairway. Subtle changes in terrain is there a point that bending the lie angle becomes detrimental
@@chrischopper4512 The important thing is that you know how the ball will react in different lies and adjust accordingly. I would never make lie adjustments to my club based on the lies.
Your lie angle depends on your swing. It will be different to mine, but no matter if you're "neutral", flat or upright you'll make a "level" contact, thus a slight terrain angle will have the same result, no matter if your swing dictates you to have 2 flat or 2 upright.
Sick to my back teeth of hitting straight pushes I got a local pro to bend an old mizuno iron 3° upright, having watched a txg video on lie angles and instantly it straightened up my ball flight to my aim. I'd spent so many frustrating hours on the range trying to straighten that flight and all it took was a bit of club bending.
Does altering the lie angle have an effect on whereabouts you strike the ball on the face?
Yes it can do 👍
Love the fact that despite the carpark being empty, the silver van still can’t be parked in a bay 😂 please tell me that was Lester’s?? Or yours? 😉
Another great video though Dan! Keep them coming
Lol, no a police van 😂
@@DanHendriksenGolf amazing! Get that into their bosses and use some bribery I say! 🤣.
Probably an obvious question, but would the lie angle affect the flight of the ball. I have a tendency to hit the ball too high and end up loosing distance?
Absolutely. Considered getting your dynamic loft checked? This will tell you the loft at impact!
@@peekay691 Thanks for the advice 😎. Must have a look when Pro shops open up in Ireland.
hope Lester is doing ok? sorry for his loss xx
Genius!
Has he never changed the height? He can always try a quarter or a half inch shorter and stiffer shaft. That also changes the lie
Was that the Bus Tour transport in the car park? 🤣
I'm heel deep so ball goes left, but i hit a slice. Must work on coming over the top before i bend the clubs haha
Thoughts with LB and family at what must be a very difficult time.
Sometimes the best ideas are the simplest solutions.
Don’t know how you can be consistent by delivering the face like that. The toe must be hitting the turf first making things even more unpredictable. Or am I reading this wrong.
why would 10 degree converts into 1 degree? please explain!
When I was fitted for lie before they did it with a strike board and looked at the sole of the club for markings, I've heard that this is not reliable and not used anymore?
The Titleist fitting centre still do this..
@@jamesturnbull1894 I heard that Ping stopped doing it
@@paulmilsom1346 maybe, it gives a pretty good indication though.. But also ive had standard lies before now 3 upright and a good 6 toe down at impact. But never lost many shots right before..
I honestly can’t remember how my Ping’s were aligned, I have had 3 sets fitted and all three are white dots and 1/4” longer than standard. I think white dot is 2deg upright from memory.
I think I remember seeing Alex Evans do this. I think I then tested it out but can’t remember my results so I clearly did nothing with them, unless they were spot on 🤔🤷🏻♂️😂
One slight word of caution, if you are happy with your Ball flight and you are getting the shot shape that you want, don't adjust the lie angle of your club
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Is that Lester's van in the car park 👀
No
Just always keep ball flight as priority, if you're hitting it straight toe up or down then if it ain't broke...
Correct 👍
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