As one having a “sprinkle” baptism, I do not believe that infant baptism is a sin. As a Lutheran, I was not baptized to be saved but to include me in the community of believers who will all help along with our parents, to raise us as baby Christians into believers by the time we reach our teen years. We go through a very serious Confirmation Study and at the end we confirm our faith in Jesus as our Savior. This does not save us either but it part of the training of becoming a Christian. I don’t feel that because I was not part of a total immersion baptism, that I need to have to show my confessed faith by being re-baptized. I just find this argument as to whether it is sin or not is just abhorrent and accusatory. I have listened to several Christian UA-cam presentations along with scripture to show that it is NOT a sin to baptize infants. I don’t recall Jesus saying you’re commanded to baptize but not the tiny babies. Don’t baptize them. That is a sin.
If you look into the Scriptures to see what the Bible expressly teaches about baptism, you will be unable to believe that baptism is about your profession of faith. You have to argue from silence to do so.
I'm going to look into this argument of yours more. Seems legit. My wife and I just switched churches to a Reformed Church. The Baptist view seems to be about what man has done towards God vs. what God has done towards man. My question to this video specifically would be; what about Abraham? He was circumcised only after he had faith, yet children of believer's from then on were circumcised on the 8th day, those children were not able to physically profess their faith yet received the sign of the covenant with Abraham. Colossians 2 then expressly correlates circumcision to baptism. I still have questions, but the Paedobaptist view makes more sense of the whole of the Bible instead of disconnecting the two testaments.
Abraham was part of God's covenant before he was circumcised. If baptism somehow has parallels to circumcision, then there is certainly no need to baptize infants into a covenant they're already part of (the "to you & your children" promise). Multiple times in Scripture, however, the purpose of Baptism is not circumcision, but symbolic participation through faith in Christ's death, burial, & resurrection. Without faith, an unconscious infant cannot declare they are identifying with Christ. It's just getting the baby wet. It's not sinful to do so, but it isn't Scripturally ideal.
What about Acts 2:39? It says that the promise is for you and your CHILDREN. I don't think children here means their children when they grow up. Were there infants among those who were baptised that day when Peter preached?
Yes it does Peter was talking the promise of salvation is for your children when they are old enough to believe Mark 16:16 read it and tell me what you think Acts 2:38 repent infants can’t repent John 3 how can a man enter into his womb again Jesus is talking about adults not children
He’s talking about the promise of the Holy Ghost infants don’t receive spiritual gifts in the Catholic Church if that were true all my family members wouldn’t be alcoholics
Baptism is a covenant like circumcision. Many Baptist churches today, children in the age of 8 to 15 are baptized with making a simple confession and told they are saved without being Borne again and on false grounds. Martin Luther was lead by the Lord and nailed 95 teases against indulgences on the Sloth Church in Wittenberg in 1517. He never changes Baptism Millions turned from the heresy of the Catholic church about 30 M Christians were burned at the stake for their faith. The had the option to avoid the most painful dead by praying the rosary, but the did not love their life more than Christ and Christ alone. William Tyndale Died 6 October 1536 (aged 42) near Vilvoorde, Duchy of Brabant, Habsburg Netherlands for translating the Bible. He was reformed and not a Baptist. All bible translators were Reformed. Baptist churches started 150 yr after the Reformation. JONATHAN EDWARDS ON THE SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD (CALVINISM) "The Sovereignty of God is the stumbling block on which thousands fall and perish; and if we go contending with God about His sovereignty it will be our eternal ruin. It is absolutely necessary that we should submit to God as an absolute sovereign, and the sovereign of our souls; as one who may have mercy on whom He will have mercy and harden whom He will" (Jonathan Edwards). The quote above, by Jonathan Edwards, is excerpted from Arminianism: Another Gospel - Jonathan Edwards Most historians consider Jonathan Edwards, a Northampton Anglican minister, one of the chief fathers of the Great Awakening. Edwards’ message centred around the ideas that humans were sinners, God was an angry judge and individuals needed to ask for forgiveness. He also preached justification by faith alone. In 1741, Edwards gave an emotional sermon, entitled “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.” No-one in the church had dry eyes. It was not the gifted preacher because Edwards read most of the sermon. It was a strong conviction of the Holy Spirit. News of the message spread quickly throughout the colonies.
Also where does it talk about age? What about people who can’t talk or are disabled? Do you believe they can’t be saved then? What about a baby who would not survive long enough to be baptized. The Bible doesn’t say that one must do something to be baptised. It’s a gift of God
Baptisms are for those who are already Christians. A baptism is something sacred between a believer and Jesus. The believer is identifying with his life, death and resurrection. It is something personal and intimate. And when one a infant they are taking away something that's supposed to be very personal between the believer and Jesus Christ. Yes, that person could always get baptized when they get older when they really come to their faith. But overall it is not biblical
The ordinance of Baptism points to Christ and his promises. Baptism is a sign of Gods Holy covenant people and his promises and eternal life is circumcision of the heart.
Baptizing Households Acts 16:15 After she [Lydia] and her household were baptized, she urged us, “If you consider me a believer in the Lord, come and stay at my house.” And she persuaded us. Acts 16:31 They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved-you and your household.” 32 And they spoke the word of the Lord to him along with everyone in his house. 33 He took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds. Right away he and all his family were baptized. 34 He brought them into his house, set a meal before them, and rejoiced because he had come to believe in God with his entire household. 1 Corinthians 1:14 I [Paul] thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so that no one can say you were baptized in my name. 16 I did, in fact, baptize the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t recall if I baptized anyone else. 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel-not with eloquent wisdom, so that the cross of Christ will not be emptied of its effect. He [Jesus] came to save all through himself; all, I say, who through him are reborn in God: infants, and children, and youths, and old men. Therefore he passed through every age, becoming an infant for infants, sanctifying infants; a child for children, sanctifying those who are of that age . . . [so that] he might be the perfect teacher in all things, perfect not only in respect to the setting forth of truth, perfect also in respect to relative age. Irenaeus Against Heresies 2:22:4, A.D. 189 Baptize first the children, and if they can speak for themselves let them do so. Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives speak for them. Hippolytus The Apostolic Tradition 21:16, A.D. 215 The Church received from the apostles the tradition of giving baptism even to infants. The apostles, to whom were committed the secrets of the divine sacraments, knew there are in everyone innate strains of [original] sin, which must be washed away through water and the Spirit. Origen Commentaries on Romans 5:9, A.D. 248 If, in the case of the worst sinners and those who formerly sinned much against God, when afterwards they believe, the remission of their sins is granted and no one is held back from baptism and grace, how much more, then, should an infant not be held back, who, having but recently been born, has done no sin, except that, born of the flesh according to Adam, he has contracted the contagion of that old death from his first being born. For this very reason does he [an infant] approach more easily to receive the remission of sins: because the sins forgiven him are not his own but those of another. Cyprian of Carthage ibid., 58:5 Entrance Into A Covenant Colossians 2:11 You were also circumcised in him with a circumcision not done with hands, by putting off the body of flesh, in the circumcision of Christ, 12 when you were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And when you were dead in trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, he made you alive with him and forgave us all our trespasses. 14 He erased the certificate of debt, with its obligations, that was against us and opposed to us, and has taken it away by nailing it to the cross. Genesis 17:26 On that very day Abraham and his son Ishmael were circumcised. 27 And all the men of his household-whether born in his household or purchased from a foreigner-were circumcised with him. As to what pertains to the case of infants: You [Fidus] said that they ought not to be baptized within the second or third day after their birth, that the old law of circumcision must be taken into consideration, and that you did not think that one should be baptized and sanctified within the eighth day after his birth. In our council it seemed to us far otherwise. No one agreed to the course which you thought should be taken. Rather, we all judge that the mercy and grace of God ought to be denied to no man born. Cyprian of Carthage Letters 58:2, A.D. 253 When Believers are Baptized Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and for your children, and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
Do you believe that fetuses are just as alive as babies? If so you would believe that infants must be baptized in the womb or we are not being obedient.
christians dont argue please.. people here in the comment section. we are not to judge others about there opinion only jesus can judge us at the end please focus on your desire to what jesus really wants to your life. love one another. may the Lord have mercy on us.
Age of accountability is there but you won't find the exact words. Just the same way you will find nowhere in the Bible mentioned trinity but we believe in the trinity. On verses about age of accountability check- James 4:17, Proverbs 20:11, Ezekiel 18:20, Luke 2:41-46. I believe part of the definition of who a Christian is, is to emulate Christ & Christ Himself made the decision by Himself to get baptised. The book of Acts is mostly about the Holy Spirit & baptism & it teaches about believing 1st then getting baptised, not the other way round, being baptised & then believing later.
True. It is unfair to take way the meaning of their one and only baptism. They should become believers first. Infants haven’t chosen to believe, their parents or church have.
Baptism of infants started when the infant mortality rates were extremely high so people wanted to allow the Lord to grant them salvation as early as possible. However, with recent technological advancements, we are not only relying on God Himself to grant these infants salvation. Therefore, we should follow the actions of Christ by choosing to baptize ourselves. If you wait to be baptized, God does not consider that a sin. I would actually argue that it is much more meaningful to choose your own baptism because you are accepting the Lord as a believer. Infants are not born with original sin, and you can only be baptized once, so why would we baptize an infant who is a nonbeliever (since they can’t even understand words, let alone Christianity) and take away their one chance at a true baptism and the acceptance of the Lord into their life for salvation.
Baptism of infants never "started". It has always been a practice of the church. Just like in the old covenant, children are included in the new. Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself.” - Acts 2:38-39
And, yes. Forsaking to be baptized is a sin. Neglecting the sign of the covenant is a grievous sin. In Exodus 4:24-26, God sought to kill Moses - for neglecting to give the sign of the covenant to his infant child. Commented Calvin: “Let us then learn from hence to use reverently the sacraments, which are the seals of God’s grace - lest He should severely avenge our despisal of them!”
Actually, babies are born with original sin. Everyone is born in sin because of Adam. Also, because of sin we will all experience death. Many infants and young children have died throughout history and even today. Death is a result of Adam’s sin. The belief that infants and young children are born sinless is a lie that goes against the teachings of Scripture. “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all mankind, because all sinned-“ Romans 5:12 “For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.” Romans 5:19 “But the gracious gift is not like the offense. For if by the offense of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many.” Romans 5:15 “For if by the offense of the one, death reigned through the one, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.” Romans 5:17
I would agree that all babies are born in sin but who were included in God's adoption , God's promises and God's covenant in Rom9:4 the Bible says 8 day old babies God's Holy nation the lseralities , believers and their Children(Acts2:38-39) I don't understand why there is no continuity in the Bible , in the Baptist church ,you people say 8 day old children are excluded from God's covenant and cannot receive God's promises and are not to be part of God's covenant and you believe that anyone that joins your church has automatic salvation thats not what the Bible teaches in 1Cor10:1-6 and Heb 10:26 or jude 1:5.
There's not one single verse of Scripture that says infants and young children cannot be baptized. If it was that important to not baptize infants and children, then Scripture would have said so. Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” Jesus also said, "Unless you are born again of water and spirit, you cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven." Do you see any exceptions being made?
Actually doesn't say born 'again' of water.... It just say born of water and... Humans are born on earth by way of water and will only enter heaven if born in spirit also. One word added or left out can sure change the understanding of a fairly simple sentence.
@@critical_mass6453 Yes Jesus said Born again Then he says talking about a second birth Born of water and spirit Why would our Lord say we must be born before being born of spirit??? Stupid. Of course everyone must be born of flesh before they can be born of the spirit You and all of us were born of flesh and blood at natural child birth Now we must be born of water and spirit Born again Nicodemus said : How can we enter our mothers womb again ?? We can’t It took 2 things for You to be born Water and flesh It takes 2 things to be born of God Water and spirit
In John 3:5 Jesus answered Verify verily I say unto thee Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God I see you left out the next verse...The next verse explain what the water is ...In verse 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh...The water is your physical birth not water baptism the day your mother water break and you came out wet because you was inside of water and That which is born of the Spirit is spirit...In John 3:5 Jesus is taking about your physical birth and a spiritual birth and the Spiritual birth comes later in life when you know the difference between right and wrong then you have to be born again by the Spirit and the only way you can be born again by the Spirit is by believe the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ in Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted after that ye heard the word of truth the gospel of your salvation in whom also after that ye believed ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise.. How can a infant trusted in Jesus Christ and believe they can't because they don't understand the word of God..
I mean, if you hold to the new doctrine of dispensationalism that says God has delt with humanity in a disjointed, back and forth, whiplash inducing, manner, and that Jesus basically came to make a new religion and not simply as the ultimate fulfillment of Gods already established belief system, then yeah infant baptism doesn't have a leg to stand on.....
I like to know when eight-day-old babies were excluded from God's covenant and God's promises. In the Bible God's covenant promises included Believers and their children in Gen17:7 by the sign of physical Circumcision or by the sign of Baptism Acts2:38-39. When there is continuity in the Bible the ordinances made by God of Baptism and Lord supper point to God's promises, covenants and adoption(Rom9:4)which included 8 day old babies, or believes and their Children and I would also agree that all God's Holy Covenant people also needed circumcision of the heart throughout the Bible,Being adopted as God's Holy Covenant people by Baptism was not eternal life according to 1Cor10:1-7.
When not trusting God in knowing the intensions of the thoughts and hearts of all living, and do things without the consent of a child's own free will . Doing something , I case ......... is good , but not necessary. You only get baptized when you are ready and know why it is necessary before you die.. The meaning of baptism is I portent to teach
Baptism is a covenant like circumcision. Many Baptist churches today, children in the age of 8 to 15 are baptized with making a simple confession and told they are saved without being Borne again and on false grounds.
Unfortunately Baptist hold to a heresy called Marcionism which teaches that Jesus came to start a new religion, this of course is false, which is why Baptist don’t understand the biblical doctrine of infant baptism
Infant baptism IS NOT scriptural. Show me anywhere in the New Testament where it is descriptively detailed where a baby is baptized by a sprinkling or pouring of water over its head, and I will eat the very page it is written on. BELIEVER'S BAPTISM BY TOTAL IMMERSION IS THE ONLY MODE OF BAPTISM PRACTICED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. Christ himself was baptized by immersion. And what is good enough for Jesus is good enough for me.
@@joshuatheo1419if thou believest with all thy heart Thou mayest- Philip to the eunach. They went down into the water. It's not adult believers only, it's believers, and as there's nothing saving in it you're not denying babies anything. But the joy at my child's baptism as they professed their faith in jesus, that was something I woukd not have wanted to deny her
As one having a “sprinkle” baptism, I do not believe that infant baptism is a sin. As a Lutheran, I was not baptized to be saved but to include me in the community of believers who will all help along with our parents, to raise us as baby Christians into believers by the time we reach our teen years. We go through a very serious Confirmation Study and at the end we confirm our faith in Jesus as our Savior. This does not save us either but it part of the training of becoming a Christian. I don’t feel that because I was not part of a total immersion baptism, that I need to have to show my confessed faith by being re-baptized. I just find this argument as to whether it is sin or not is just abhorrent and accusatory. I have listened to several Christian UA-cam presentations along with scripture to show that it is NOT a sin to baptize infants. I don’t recall Jesus saying you’re commanded to baptize but not the tiny babies. Don’t baptize them. That is a sin.
Amen baptism is for believers you are so correct
I would say it makes us believers because we receive the Holy Spirit as a gift from what Christ has done for us.
If you look into the Scriptures to see what the Bible expressly teaches about baptism, you will be unable to believe that baptism is about your profession of faith. You have to argue from silence to do so.
I’m intrigued, could you explain further
I'm going to look into this argument of yours more. Seems legit. My wife and I just switched churches to a Reformed Church. The Baptist view seems to be about what man has done towards God vs. what God has done towards man. My question to this video specifically would be; what about Abraham? He was circumcised only after he had faith, yet children of believer's from then on were circumcised on the 8th day, those children were not able to physically profess their faith yet received the sign of the covenant with Abraham. Colossians 2 then expressly correlates circumcision to baptism. I still have questions, but the Paedobaptist view makes more sense of the whole of the Bible instead of disconnecting the two testaments.
Abraham was part of God's covenant before he was circumcised.
If baptism somehow has parallels to circumcision, then there is certainly no need to baptize infants into a covenant they're already part of (the "to you & your children" promise).
Multiple times in Scripture, however, the purpose of Baptism is not circumcision, but symbolic participation through faith in Christ's death, burial, & resurrection. Without faith, an unconscious infant cannot declare they are identifying with Christ. It's just getting the baby wet.
It's not sinful to do so, but it isn't Scripturally ideal.
What about Acts 2:39? It says that the promise is for you and your CHILDREN. I don't think children here means their children when they grow up.
Were there infants among those who were baptised that day when Peter preached?
Yes it does Peter was talking the promise of salvation is for your children when they are old enough to believe Mark 16:16 read it and tell me what you think Acts 2:38 repent infants can’t repent
John 3 how can a man enter into his womb again Jesus is talking about adults not children
He’s talking about the promise of the Holy Ghost infants don’t receive spiritual gifts in the Catholic Church if that were true all my family members wouldn’t be alcoholics
Baptism is a covenant like circumcision. Many Baptist churches today, children in the age of 8 to 15 are baptized with making a simple confession and told they are saved without being Borne again and on false grounds. Martin Luther was lead by the Lord and nailed 95 teases against indulgences on the Sloth Church in Wittenberg in 1517. He never changes Baptism Millions turned from the heresy of the Catholic church about 30 M Christians were burned at the stake for their faith. The had the option to avoid the most painful dead by praying the rosary, but the did not love their life more than Christ and Christ alone. William Tyndale Died 6 October 1536 (aged 42) near Vilvoorde, Duchy of Brabant, Habsburg Netherlands for translating the Bible. He was reformed and not a Baptist. All bible translators were Reformed. Baptist churches started 150 yr after the Reformation. JONATHAN EDWARDS ON THE SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD (CALVINISM)
"The Sovereignty of God is the stumbling block on which thousands fall and perish; and if we go contending with God about His sovereignty it will be our eternal ruin. It is absolutely necessary that we should submit to God as an absolute sovereign, and the sovereign of our souls; as one who may have mercy on whom He will have mercy and harden whom He will" (Jonathan Edwards).
The quote above, by Jonathan Edwards, is excerpted from Arminianism: Another Gospel -
Jonathan Edwards
Most historians consider Jonathan Edwards, a Northampton Anglican minister, one of the chief fathers of the Great Awakening.
Edwards’ message centred around the ideas that humans were sinners, God was an angry judge and individuals needed to ask for forgiveness. He also preached justification by faith alone.
In 1741, Edwards gave an emotional sermon, entitled “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.” No-one in the church had dry eyes. It was not the gifted preacher because Edwards read most of the sermon. It was a strong conviction of the Holy Spirit. News of the message spread quickly throughout the colonies.
@@sergiomadrigal5444 where does it say the order in which things should happen? It doesn’t say repent and then and only then may you be baptized
Also where does it talk about age? What about people who can’t talk or are disabled? Do you believe they can’t be saved then? What about a baby who would not survive long enough to be baptized. The Bible doesn’t say that one must do something to be baptised. It’s a gift of God
Baptisms are for those who are already Christians. A baptism is something sacred between a believer and Jesus. The believer is identifying with his life, death and resurrection. It is something personal and intimate. And when one a infant they are taking away something that's supposed to be very personal between the believer and Jesus Christ. Yes, that person could always get baptized when they get older when they really come to their faith. But overall it is not biblical
The ordinance of Baptism points to Christ and his promises. Baptism is a sign of Gods Holy covenant people and his promises and eternal life is circumcision of the heart.
Baptizing Households
Acts 16:15 After she [Lydia] and her household were baptized, she urged us, “If you consider me a believer in the Lord, come and stay at my house.” And she persuaded us.
Acts 16:31 They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved-you and your household.” 32 And they spoke the word of the Lord to him along with everyone in his house. 33 He took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds. Right away he and all his family were baptized. 34 He brought them into his house, set a meal before them, and rejoiced because he had come to believe in God with his entire household.
1 Corinthians 1:14 I [Paul] thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so that no one can say you were baptized in my name. 16 I did, in fact, baptize the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t recall if I baptized anyone else. 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel-not with eloquent wisdom, so that the cross of Christ will not be emptied of its effect.
He [Jesus] came to save all through himself; all, I say, who through him are reborn in God: infants, and children, and youths, and old men. Therefore he passed through every age, becoming an infant for infants, sanctifying infants; a child for children, sanctifying those who are of that age . . . [so that] he might be the perfect teacher in all things, perfect not only in respect to the setting forth of truth, perfect also in respect to relative age.
Irenaeus
Against Heresies 2:22:4, A.D. 189
Baptize first the children, and if they can speak for themselves let them do so. Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives speak for them.
Hippolytus
The Apostolic Tradition 21:16, A.D. 215
The Church received from the apostles the tradition of giving baptism even to infants. The apostles, to whom were committed the secrets of the divine sacraments, knew there are in everyone innate strains of [original] sin, which must be washed away through water and the Spirit.
Origen
Commentaries on Romans 5:9, A.D. 248
If, in the case of the worst sinners and those who formerly sinned much against God, when afterwards they believe, the remission of their sins is granted and no one is held back from baptism and grace, how much more, then, should an infant not be held back, who, having but recently been born, has done no sin, except that, born of the flesh according to Adam, he has contracted the contagion of that old death from his first being born. For this very reason does he [an infant] approach more easily to receive the remission of sins: because the sins forgiven him are not his own but those of another.
Cyprian of Carthage
ibid., 58:5
Entrance Into A Covenant
Colossians 2:11 You were also circumcised in him with a circumcision not done with hands, by putting off the body of flesh, in the circumcision of Christ, 12 when you were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And when you were dead in trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, he made you alive with him and forgave us all our trespasses. 14 He erased the certificate of debt, with its obligations, that was against us and opposed to us, and has taken it away by nailing it to the cross.
Genesis 17:26 On that very day Abraham and his son Ishmael were circumcised. 27 And all the men of his household-whether born in his household or purchased from a foreigner-were circumcised with him.
As to what pertains to the case of infants: You [Fidus] said that they ought not to be baptized within the second or third day after their birth, that the old law of circumcision must be taken into consideration, and that you did not think that one should be baptized and sanctified within the eighth day after his birth. In our council it seemed to us far otherwise. No one agreed to the course which you thought should be taken. Rather, we all judge that the mercy and grace of God ought to be denied to no man born.
Cyprian of Carthage
Letters 58:2, A.D. 253
When Believers are Baptized
Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and for your children, and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
Gee wiz this is great! Thanks!
Notice how it says "Believers"!!
Amen
Do you believe that fetuses are just as alive as babies? If so you would believe that infants must be baptized in the womb or we are not being obedient.
christians dont argue please.. people here in the comment section. we are not to judge others about there opinion only jesus can judge us at the end please focus on your desire to what jesus really wants to your life. love one another. may the Lord have mercy on us.
Age of accountability is there but you won't find the exact words. Just the same way you will find nowhere in the Bible mentioned trinity but we believe in the trinity. On verses about age of accountability check- James 4:17, Proverbs 20:11, Ezekiel 18:20, Luke 2:41-46. I believe part of the definition of who a Christian is, is to emulate Christ & Christ Himself made the decision by Himself to get baptised. The book of Acts is mostly about the Holy Spirit & baptism & it teaches about believing 1st then getting baptised, not the other way round, being baptised & then believing later.
True. It is unfair to take way the meaning of their one and only baptism. They should become believers first. Infants haven’t chosen to believe, their parents or church have.
The age of accountability isn't biblical.
You're right the word trinity is not mentioned but it's there 1John 5:7
Correct.
Babies cannot repent.
Baptism of infants started when the infant mortality rates were extremely high so people wanted to allow the Lord to grant them salvation as early as possible. However, with recent technological advancements, we are not only relying on God Himself to grant these infants salvation. Therefore, we should follow the actions of Christ by choosing to baptize ourselves. If you wait to be baptized, God does not consider that a sin. I would actually argue that it is much more meaningful to choose your own baptism because you are accepting the Lord as a believer. Infants are not born with original sin, and you can only be baptized once, so why would we baptize an infant who is a nonbeliever (since they can’t even understand words, let alone Christianity) and take away their one chance at a true baptism and the acceptance of the Lord into their life for salvation.
Baptism of infants never "started". It has always been a practice of the church. Just like in the old covenant, children are included in the new.
Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself.”
- Acts 2:38-39
And, yes. Forsaking to be baptized is a sin. Neglecting the sign of the covenant is a grievous sin.
In Exodus 4:24-26, God sought to kill Moses - for neglecting to give the sign of the covenant to his infant child. Commented Calvin: “Let us then learn from hence to use reverently the sacraments, which are the seals of God’s grace - lest He should severely avenge our despisal of them!”
Babies ARE born with Original Sin.
Actually, babies are born with original sin. Everyone is born in sin because of Adam. Also, because of sin we will all experience death. Many infants and young children have died throughout history and even today. Death is a result of Adam’s sin. The belief that infants and young children are born sinless is a lie that goes against the teachings of Scripture.
“Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all mankind, because all sinned-“ Romans 5:12
“For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.” Romans 5:19
“But the gracious gift is not like the offense. For if by the offense of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many.” Romans 5:15
“For if by the offense of the one, death reigned through the one, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.” Romans 5:17
I would agree that all babies are born in sin but who were included in God's adoption , God's promises and God's covenant in Rom9:4 the Bible says 8 day old babies God's Holy nation the lseralities , believers and their Children(Acts2:38-39)
I don't understand why there is no continuity in the Bible , in the Baptist church ,you people say 8 day old children are excluded from God's covenant and cannot receive God's promises and are not to be part of God's covenant and you believe that anyone that joins your church has automatic salvation thats not what the Bible teaches in 1Cor10:1-6 and Heb 10:26 or jude 1:5.
There's not one single verse of Scripture that says infants and young children cannot be baptized. If it was that important to not baptize infants and children, then Scripture would have said so. Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” Jesus also said, "Unless you are born again of water and spirit, you cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven." Do you see any exceptions being made?
Actually doesn't say born 'again' of water.... It just say born of water and... Humans are born on earth by way of water and will only enter heaven if born in spirit also. One word added or left out can sure change the understanding of a fairly simple sentence.
How can a baby repent?
@@critical_mass6453 read John 3:5
@@critical_mass6453
Yes Jesus said
Born again
Then he says talking about a second birth
Born of water and spirit
Why would our Lord say we must be born before being born of spirit???
Stupid. Of course everyone must be born of flesh before they can be born of the spirit
You and all of us were born of flesh and blood at natural child birth
Now we must be born of water and spirit
Born again
Nicodemus said : How can we enter our mothers womb again ??
We can’t
It took 2 things for You to be born
Water and flesh
It takes 2 things to be born of God
Water and spirit
In John 3:5 Jesus answered Verify verily I say unto thee Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God I see you left out the next verse...The next verse explain what the water is ...In verse 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh...The water is your physical birth not water baptism the day your mother water break and you came out wet because you was inside of water and That which is born of the Spirit is spirit...In John 3:5 Jesus is taking about your physical birth and a spiritual birth and the Spiritual birth comes later in life when you know the difference between right and wrong then you have to be born again by the Spirit and the only way you can be born again by the Spirit is by believe the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ in Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted after that ye heard the word of truth the gospel of your salvation in whom also after that ye believed ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise.. How can a infant trusted in Jesus Christ and believe they can't because they don't understand the word of God..
I mean, if you hold to the new doctrine of dispensationalism that says God has delt with humanity in a disjointed, back and forth, whiplash inducing, manner, and that Jesus basically came to make a new religion and not simply as the ultimate fulfillment of Gods already established belief system, then yeah infant baptism doesn't have a leg to stand on.....
I like to know when eight-day-old babies were excluded from God's covenant and God's promises.
In the Bible God's covenant promises included Believers and their children in Gen17:7 by the sign of physical Circumcision or by the sign of Baptism Acts2:38-39.
When there is continuity in the Bible the ordinances made by God of Baptism and Lord supper point to God's promises, covenants and adoption(Rom9:4)which included 8 day old babies, or believes and their Children and I would also agree
that all God's Holy Covenant people also needed circumcision of the heart throughout the Bible,Being adopted as God's Holy Covenant people by Baptism was not eternal life according to 1Cor10:1-7.
When not trusting God in knowing the intensions of the thoughts and hearts of all living, and do things without the consent of a child's own free will .
Doing something , I case ......... is good , but not necessary.
You only get baptized when you are ready and know why it is necessary before you die..
The meaning of baptism is I portent to teach
Baptism is a covenant like circumcision. Many Baptist churches today, children in the age of 8 to 15 are baptized with making a simple confession and told they are saved without being Borne again and on false grounds.
Is their scripture to support this theory?
where was the scriptura before 4th century
Unfortunately Baptist hold to a heresy called Marcionism which teaches that Jesus came to start a new religion, this of course is false, which is why Baptist don’t understand the biblical doctrine of infant baptism
Infant baptism IS NOT scriptural. Show me anywhere in the New Testament where it is descriptively detailed where a baby is baptized by a sprinkling or pouring of water over its head, and I will eat the very page it is written on. BELIEVER'S BAPTISM BY TOTAL IMMERSION IS THE ONLY MODE OF BAPTISM PRACTICED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. Christ himself was baptized by immersion. And what is good enough for Jesus is good enough for me.
@@barfrockskin535 lol, give me a verse that states it must be adults and by immersion only. I'll wait...
@@joshuatheo1419if thou believest with all thy heart Thou mayest- Philip to the eunach. They went down into the water. It's not adult believers only, it's believers, and as there's nothing saving in it you're not denying babies anything. But the joy at my child's baptism as they professed their faith in jesus, that was something I woukd not have wanted to deny her
@@barfrockskin535it's next to the verse that says woman can participate in the Lord's Supper.
Lol' silly nonsense...
A bunch of people living in a fantasy