The Skate Shop - Snyder Super Deluxe Plate Upgrade
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- Professional skate instructor Paul Hinton upgrades a pair of skates from a Sure-Grip XK4 DA45 plate to the Snyder Super Deluxe plate.
(*Note: A standard hammer was used on the new plate rather than a rubber mallet. We don't advise this. Skateway always uses a rubber mallet in situations like this to protect the plates. In this case, the mallet was missing and in a pinch permission was given to use the hammer by the owner. To date there have been no cosmetic or structural damages to the plate, but we should have mentioned it in the video. Had this been a customer's skates, we would have waited for a replacement for the missing tool.)
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*Note: A standard hammer was used on the new plate rather than a rubber mallet. We don't advise this. Skateway always uses a rubber mallet in situations like this to protect the plates. In this case, the mallet was missing and in a pinch the owner of the plate gave permission to use the hammer. To date there have been no cosmetic or structural damages to the plate, but we should have mentioned it in the video.
Paul not only knows skates, he is a great skater. I started skating in 1971 in Tampa and Paul was already a great skater at that time. His jumps and spins were fantastic and he could dance like nobody's business. When I left in 1972, I was just learning double jumps while Paul was doing doubles and working on triples. Paul was one of my inspirations. Please don't think Paul is only great at fixing skates. Paul knows skates and skating and teaching.
I've passed the word to him and he conveys his thanks to you. We're working out a schedule with Paul to include skate instruction videos. He downplays himself, but he's quite an exceptional skating coach to say the least.
Instablaster.
~21:38 this happened to me, my truck fell off while moving at a pretty decent speed outdoors. Skinned the daylights outta my left leg, so deep had to get a tetanus shot, could barely walk for about a week. Couldn’t skate at all for a month, and it took around 3 months to heal. I stopped to check the security of my trucks at least a dozen times my first time back out. I didn’t even trust my skates after that so I’ve been researching exactly what parts I want to use for a custom build ever since, which is how I ended up seeing this video. Thanks for mentioning this, Paul! So important and I haven’t heard it from ANYONE else, but I heard from everyone about loosening them to have more agility and thought I had done enough research and seen enough people do it but.. ya don’t know what ya don’t know! The more info the more empowered, and I wish I had known better. Really enjoyed this and what a wealth of knowledge he has!! Thank you :)
Ouch,been there before still have the scar tissue after all these years my truck fell off from neglect.
This guy knows SKATES! He mounted my plates last June and they are perfect. It's worth the drive if you live within a few hours. Plus it's a great rink too.
He's definitely thorough. Thanks, Susan, for the sincere compliment. I'll pass it on to Paul!
And thank you from all of us at Bristol Skateway! Hope to see you soon.
VERY, VERY INFORMATIVE! Excellent video of step by step installation, differences in adjustments, and what to look for! I’d drive from Little Rock to Bristol just to have him assemble my skates....CORRECTLY!! Knowledge & experience produce OUTSTANDING work! 👍
We've passed the word onto him and he conveys his many thanks to you!
I truly appreciate this video! I've been skating for 25+ years and recently purchased the exact same snyder plate. I was having a couple issues readjusting the plate and this video helped out tremendously. (Since my normal local skate shop guy passed due to covid - RIP Dave - I've had so many challenges going to other skate shops. Extremely frustrating)
Always good to find the old school guys/ women,they know their sh*t🙏
Glad to see Snyder still in business. I still have an old pair of Sure Grip X7 with green Metaflex wheels…….. Hyde boots….
Sure Grip bought Snyder in 1980
@@froggiggin7057 thanks for the info, I had no idea….
I love mine...Had them for more them 30+ years....Replaced the boots a few times but still going strong. Just added Bone Elite Wheels with Ceramic Bearing Night & Day experience. "5 Stars Plates"
Pretty tough plates, and I put them to the test frequently. A bit on the heavy side compared to the XK4's I was on before, but you get used to it. Much more stable. I'm rolling on Rollerbones Turbo. Ceramic bearings will be my next investment.
Great video, explains the parts of the trucks, king pin, pivot pin, differences. Very cool seeing someone install plates and trucks. Paul was very nice to watch and learn. Much better now, not having too small of plates.
Thank you... It is nice to have the proper sized plates, although the one thing I miss was how light my prior plates were. It's a trade off for more stability for what I do with filming. I'll probably buy another set of skates for when I want to do artistic style.
I have a few pairs of skates a Red Wing/ Snyder Deluxe, another Red Wing 220 on a Cleveland Citation and a Red Wing on a sunlite,that I skated in when I was younger.Now I've slowed a little bit but the Snyder is heavier but to me gives a smoother ride.You just "dropped" some knowledge on me even though I've been skating 40 yrs.👍 Searching for a new plate now for mint Red Wing I just purchased, probably my last pair of skates till I physically can't skate anymore.
As I am the one who got fitted with the Snyder Deluxe, I must agree that the plate is heavier than the Sure-Grip XK4 DA45 plate I was using beforehand. It is indeed a much more stable and smoother ride; one of the first things I noticed right away. With your current status, I would recommend a lighter plate maybe with a 10º axle for more stability. As to which plate, there are so many to choose from that I am at a loss for recommendations.
Love the new plates. You gotta trade your wheels to the Bones 101A 62mm. The best wheels I've ever had.
This video is very helpful as I'm in the process of picking new plates. I appreciate how thoroughly he explains each step and how to use the Snyder gauge. Thank you so much also for your review at the end. ☮ from 🇨🇦
Awesome! We're trying to work out a schedule with Paul to do more instructional videos on skate repair and upgrades. We'll pass the word along to him and many thanks!! BTW... Canada is awesome!!
@@bristolskateway Thank you for the compliment on Canada and thank you for asking Paul to share his wisdom! The more I learn about roller skating the more invested I become. 😁
Extremely appreciative of you demo’ing how to use the skate marking tool! I just got one and am looking forward to speeding up my mounting process!
Super helpful! I have mounted about 4 pair in the last few months. Your experience is appreciated!
Hi Angelique, any idea roughly about the cost? I have very wide feet and manufacturers cannot accommodate me; so my only option is to create a built with a comfortable existing shoe. Any guidance will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you for this video its jam packed with necessary skate anatomy education . Keep ‘em coming I could watch these all day.
See,it's this kind of knowledge and experience which keeps me from messing around with my skates.Someone asked me about that and I told them,if it's skating or cycling,i used mechanics,and still do.
There's a lot I like about this video. Honestly, I think a good remount would include filling the old holes. I get that we are making a video here and hole filling ain't quick. Also hitting those plates with a hammer made me cringe.
Amazing video and love the plates! I have a question though. I’m going to be building my own skates soon and I’m not sure if a 45 degree angle would be better or worse than a 10 degree. My skating style consists of: Jam skating, Rhythm skating, and also speed skating. Any idea on which degree plate would be best for that type of skating style?
thinking more degrees givees you sharper turns ,, i find its about the angle of the pivot pin re Bont 45 Degrees {45 w straight vertical pivot} vs rolline 20 degree ---found wayy more responsive at 20 degree and 20 pivot ,, ... but reactor plate w 10 degree are like cross country skiis .... good for speed just my thoughts
I would say you are correct on this. As in the video, I was skating on 45 degree plates. I run pretty high speeds chasing skaters with a cam and now find I have a lot more speed with fairly decent performance in my taking turns. Highly responsive for what I am doing. However, I miss the 45 degrees for doing spins and certain freestyle tricks.
Nice video! I have a few skates all fitted right with correct plate and boots size. But I have this one roller skate I built years ago size 7 plates with a size 10 shoes, it works real well and very agile
Thanks, Gardner! Yeah, my smaller plate to a larger boot made me very agile as well. I know this only too well from having properly mounted plates and not having the agility I once had. Can't say I don't miss it at times.
Great video, I live in Morristown, I have an old pair of satellite plates with a broken truck. I wonder if Paul would have a truck lying around I could buy. The skates are size 13. Thanks! Kevin
I'll ask Paul the next time I speak with him to see what he has and pass it on. Or you can always contact him at the Skateway.
I’m a boomer an sometimes I can bee too my way or the hyway. Not trying to be like that now but why are you suggesting taking out the Allen screw from the proline kingpin? It’s a screw that could easily be lost or just dropped then hard to find. It’s not supposed to be taken out. (Yes I put together the first and second plates ever and many more lol). Also, while a “crescent wrench” can work on just about anything a standard wrench can work on, it’s a great way to mar up a nut. This hardware is aluminum. If these are OG prolines I might have made those nuts and id hate to see them banged up for nothing :)
Shit I might have poured those cushions. “Set pin” set screw. It has a chamfer. :).
Also are this OG prolines? Is there epoxy in the top of the plate behind the pivot bushing? If so after changing cushions you are supposed to reset the bushing and re-epoxy the bronz bushing. Class dismissed. Seriously though pretty good video.
How about the roll like Ring plate? Most say they didn't like it but it was a great plate. Something about feeling in between the wheels (guess how low it is). I'm into rhythym and JB skating, turns and everything. I already had my stock plate so loose it wobbles like Daewon Song.
Yeah, those Ring plates are rated for professional figure and artistic skating. Every style of plate has their own trade-offs in regards to performance and what you are primarily using it for. So those who weren't fans of it were probably wanting something beyond its design specs.
Please help me with this! Growing up, I saw a lot of jam skaters with vanilla boots and they had their plates flipped backwards and moved the wheels closer to the front of the boot. Why was this? Do you recommend that?
Really appreciated this video, thank you for posting! I bought Super Deluxe plates just a few weeks ago, but I didn't mount them myself, so seeing the different parts and knowing what to expect with the maintenence, like changing out cushions and adjusting the action, is super helpful, since all my other plates had such a different setup with the kingpins.
You're welcome. Yes, knowing the components and how to make the proper adjustments in the right way to any plate is extremely important. What works for one may not be true for another. Paul was a valuable resource in explaining those things. Thank you for your post. I will pass it on to Paul.
Those plate were quite spot on in terms of length for dancing
I tried the vice grips and I still can't get the bolts off to remove my plate....any suggestion?
I would invest in a Dremel and cut bolt not plate or boot!
It’s a Reidell skate, I’ll bet. So the bolt is snapped off at the nut, making it nearly impossible to get the nut off. I wish they would stop that shit.
Hi there, I have a pair of Chicago Skates that I purchased in the early 80’s. They’re in great shape but the plates have definitely lost their shine. Do you have any tips on how to polish them and make them look new again? I have thought about using Stainless steel polish spray but wasn't sure if it would be safe. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!
You always want to be sure that any cleaner you are using conforms with the metal you are using it on. I'm sure you're aware of that, but that said, a polish I see being used is called Mothers Mag & Aluminum Polish. They state it is for all metals and seems to work great. Also use a can of air to blow out any dust in the cracks.
❓❓❓ Can I buy Riedell Ice Skates and replace the blades with Roller Skates Plates?
I have short mounted plates and love them. Soooooo
Plate definitely to small, those boots do swamp it. If however plate was right length yet advanced on a flat sole & not a heeled boot that would suggest skates were for speed skating. I remember the first time i tried a setup like that, i did go arse over kite & landed on my butt. The first time was the last time that ever happened. It is weird at first however you get used to it & eventually don't notice it. 7mm axle is excellent you can upgrade to quick release if you haven't already. You can get adapter sleeves so that 8mm bearings fit
Yeah, I got used to the the undersized plate. I do miss it, as crazy as it may sound. The new plates are pretty heavy, but more of a stable platform.
Those boots & plates are slap af
How much did they charge to swap the plates
Guy lost me hitting the plates with the steel hammer. Why this and not using a rubber-hammer? Really frustrating to see. Nice vid anyway
Yeah, it was my plates he was working on. I get your point, but for me, I don't mind some scars on my plates... but it worked out without any blemishes. I would agree that the use of a rubber hammer would be best, but none were available at the time of recording. Thank you for the input and glad you liked the vid.
That and him calling bolts “screws”. I know it’s nit picky, but it tells me that he’s not a well-versed mechanic. Alternate mountings do have their advantage over center mount.
May I know the plate shall it touch toe to heel or can less 1 centimeter from the boot? Also what is tool name that he measure the center? I cannot find it online thanks 😊
Hi, Melissa. Paul goes over the specific way to place the plate on the boot in the video. I will get with Paul over the next week and relay your question if the video isn't answering it for you. The tool he uses to measure the center is called the Snyder Boot Marking Tool. They retail for around $50 as of this posting.
My bolt just keeps twisting and i cant get em off what should i do
Snap them off. They are designed to do that for this very reason.
What is the tool you use to get centerline of skates?
The Snyder Boot Marking Tool
BRO...WHICH WHEELS ARE YOU USING ? ? ?
Rollerbones Turbo 62mm/94a for speed and grip. :)
45 degree plates are used especially for figures
But why break off the screw, seems a bit reckless....?
@@stuco Exactly
So when you buy a boot and plate !!! Plate had to be 1 size down from boot or !!!
The size of the boot in this video is a 9 1/2 US. The size of the plate is marked as a size 11. In the boot being a half-size and the plates rated for whole sizes, we just round it off. So the answer is one size bigger on the plate.
I don’t think I would of have that guy put my plates on. Did he Mar your plate with his hammer?
I pinned a comment explaining the use of a hammer on my plate. I gave him permission knowing the risk and the plate was not harmed aesthetically or otherwise. I have zero complaints, but I do understand and agree with your concern. It was my decision in a pinch when the tool we needed was missing at the time of filming.
I want to see how are you filming your feet, and then your face? What kind of tripod is that? I got to get me one of these!!
Using a telescopic pole with a GoPro on the end of it. The pole is made by GoPro. It took a little time to get familiar with it as you can't really frame your shots. It's a lot of guess work, but when you use it often, you just know how to point it by line of site. Plus it helps to have a wide-angle camera like a GoPro.
What is your led setup?
We have a local skater that provides our LED's. That was a two-chip LED system that runs on a 9-volt, can change multiple colors but drains a full battery after one session. I have a newer one that consists of one strip, blue in color and is much brighter and uses much less draw on the battery, lasting several sessions. About $30 using a patch of velcro, but there are others ways to mount them depending upon the plate.
This video is even better when you slow it down to half speed.
Nice video.
Thank you!
The plate was a good length to start with.
Plate way too long now.
Well, being the one skating on the old and new plate I can see you point, but the tradeoff for me was a much more solid platform that I find to be highly responsive and a bit more stable when I am chase-filming skaters. I also find that I can spin faster with better balance and control.
I've noticed speed skaters tend to go for smaller plates without much support in the heel area. Such was the case for me using the smaller 45• plates.
BTW, love your channel! That's dedication!
@@bristolskateway fair enough.
Thanks for the compliment. Wish I had time to do more videos.
@@Thequadchannel You and I both on that one. Never enough time.
Great video! Got distracted with Die Antwoord in the background. Wow..Fatty Boom Boom?
Jeesh! At least use a rubber mallet when you tap the plates to mark the rivet spots on the boot!
Paul's an animal. LOL! It's all good though. We actually looked for a rubber mallet before filming. Tools disappear in skate centers, and unfortunately that was one of the tools missing that day and I gave him my blessing to proceed. I tend to like scars on my skates. Gives them charm. 😉
I was onboard right up to the point where he pulls out a hammer and starts hitting an expensive aluminum plate with it! 😂😢
I should have mentioned in the video that the rubber mallet we would normally use was missing (Things get taken or misplaced). I gave him permission to use the hammer on my plates and I've had zero problems to date. But yes... I agree! Skateway always uses a rubber mallet for operations like this for everyone. It was my personal decision in a pinch at the time.
He taught me how to skate backwards
Dudes are banging tools and plates around. WTH
Seem he was confused ! Look like you need smaller wheels
Not sure what you are referring to, but if you mean the axle size for the wheels, I roll on a 7mm and he wanted to be sure my bearings were 7mm (The axle on the Snyder is 7mm) and not the standard 8mm, otherwise I would have had to change them out. If you just mean the size of the wheel, it all depends on what you want to accomplish on the floor. I use a larger wheel as I primarily intercept other skaters while filming and I prefer speed, a stable platform and grip. Smaller wheels are generally for more artistic skating. I hope this answered your question.
Someone needs to buy a mallet... jsin
There was one. Someone misplaced it prior to filming, so we went with what we had.
Dont care for riveted plates,no go 4 me,Ill stick w/1 piece ,less to go wrong over time
How can i so my custom shoes i live in oklahoma mwc city?