Before you buy a second 707 make sure you look at the or tr8s because that would give you another 11 sliders for your drums and you can probably use one track on the 707 for your movie samples
Its all about the effects. Its kinda a simple sampler, but it pushes you to be creative. I used to bring it to a office job when it first came out and a co-worker actually thought it was a calculator. Its fun, but my mpc is the one! I love pairing the two together
Teenage Engineering hasn't made anything I'd buy. They've made a few trinkets, a few super expensive toys, an outrageously expensive crappy desk, and while cool looking, a cheap sampler that looks like it won't last long. I mostly consider them a joke to be honest, also a rip off, so far anyways. I too would have chose the Roland SP-404MKII over the TE KO. That said, in the realm of sampling, unless you're going for character samplers from the 80s/90s (for their unique sounds, I have most of them and use them for that purpose extensively) software samplers is where it's at imo. My go to is Bitwig's sampler, in and out of The Grid. It's mind blowing what I can do in there, and it's super easy. Memory is not even something I think about and I can use a thousand of them if I need to. I pair it with my Akai controller (with keys and pads of course) and Bitwig's remotes/custom script and I don't have to touch the mouse if I don't want to. It rules. Anyways, congrats.
Software is honestly just had good if not better than hardware is many situations today. Hardware is a choice at this point in my opinion. Which is awesome, we’re open to so many possibilities of creation and almost any budget can get some kind of workflow that can give great results
I love the ko2, but after getting into it (being my first hardware sampler) I’m already looking at getting an sp404 mk2. Because I know I’m going to want to do more things that I know the ko2 probably will never be able to do. But as far as fun factor goes, the ko2 is a blast and has actually got me out of a creative slump.
They both can send midi out and 404 has a TR grid and live recording mode. Each can go to 99 measures. So pretty similar on that level. I think TE does has a few more midi out tracks
Not enough projects or sample time, 9 tracks is way to limiting for me. Great piece tho. If this doesn't work out I'll get another 707 used or something else
No you definitely made the right choice, I have both and the 404 is way better built and the pads are much better of course. The only thing I got the KO II for was the punch in effects which is cool but not worth the price just for that
I think you should have bought the MPC One. I have the MPC and the SP and waiting for the EP133 but I think MPC is more straight forward and porwerful for midi than the SP. Also have the 707, the MPC is more powerfull too.
I like the 707 much better than MPC, to each their own on that one. I only need simple midi for my analog synths. In the end options are endless. I'd love two 707's but figured give this a shot first.
@@toddsmithmusic3172 I enjoy the 707 a lot too, but midi capabilities was what I was talking about, 707 Synth is a must have for me thou, nothing near in any gr0ovebox or sampler I owned.
Very interested in how you get along with this! The features are incredible at the price point, but the key-combos are so daunting that I never use mine. IMO this interface is much better suited to the simpler 404-SX.
I learned in 5 minutes this won’t support the midi I need purely because of how the machine works. It only sends out one midi channel during playback. At the same time I was realizing that it could open new doors too. Not only will it give a alternative workflow to the midi / groove box setup. It can take advantage of all my gear without the need of it all being hooked up at once. Which is really awesome. It’s going to take time but I can build up a collection of samples for all my gear and have it all on one machine. I think that’s pretty dope and could be a fun way to explore my gear in the future.
@@toddsmithmusic3172 Extremely interesting! Can't wait to see what you get out of it. I have yet to approach any of that with mine, so really my opinion is a lazy one. This machine punches so far above it's weight that I'm sure it's worth putting in the time to reach a flow state with it. Thanks for the reply, man! And good luck :)
@@Rompler_Rocco it’s going to be new but I feel could be refreshing. It will allow me to make free sample packs very easily based off my gear too. I’m amped to see how this all evolves
Honestly you really want the novation sl 49 mk3 its the best for outboard gear! I have had mine for a few years now and still rock solid. You can run 9-10 synths on a sequencer at the push of a button. I have quite a few midi controllers for my 23 synths and 5 drum machines! I have 9 behringer synths and one behringer drum machine. Of my entire collection i have 13 analog and 7 digital synths, with 3 analog drum machines and 2 digital samplers. The novation is the one!! Also the kobol sounds dope, i heard it was like a french version of the model d so i passed on it. Plus i want the solina rn. I might have to add that one, but idk, its hard adding more mono synths when i have so many. Im thinking the ub-xa looks insane! Im still praying to the synth gods for the behringer jupiter-8 and the cs-80 (i think theirs is the ds-80) 🤯 yea their synths are all that! I love them too! And i agree, they are made to play, but i kinda collect them too! Lol but not because of value, but because of the different sounds. Btw also if dont have it, the wasp would be right up your ally. The filter on that synth is like no other! I have come to have a very fond passion for its super dope filter sweeps, you can control the sweep and basically automate it. Its super dope. Anyways, dope video! And i already said it but i will say it again, the pro 800 is super dope’
@@djJustJay Interesting! I know your reply was directed more at Todd, but it sounds like we have many of the same synths, yet I acquired most of mine just before life got in the way of actually using them. I even have the SL49 mk3, which went right back in the box when the sequencer wasn't exactly what I expected (with the blocks of 16 steps). Again, I just didn't have the time. Your comment has made me eager to get back and make it all work. Even the Wasp wasn't precisely what I expected, but I must admit that filter is very special. Take care!
The most amazing way to use the SP with hardeare is Off-the-grid electronic phase looping (different random lengths of loops). It creates astonishing results with very little wirk and its fun to make (spontaneous/improvisatiobal). Its also a good way to escape the strict repetitive structure that creates the trapped in a loop feeling.
I'm looking forward to what you can do with the 404. I really need a proper sampler, the volca that I have can't even sample and the memory is lackluster.
It's a fun little unit but limiting like all the Volca for sure. I hear rumors of a new SP hitting next year but obviously I'm not well connected or anything so ... who knows.
Congrats Todd. Been watching your channel for a while and this seems like a good fit for what you do. 👍 can’t wait to see what you do with it. Bounce some nice pads to the MKII to free up tracks as well.
I own the Sp. It’s a great device. That said, there are about 8000 non-intuitive things (shortcuts, etc) to memorize and remember with it. There is also no onboard mic (big deal to me). The ep seems to have done a great job of looking at the basics of what ppl want and starting there. I am excited to try it, but under no illusions of gear nirvana. Imo… the Sp is likely the better product… it’s great on its own as an effects box… just as a sampler and more. That said, for me these are both boxes that I’ll use to make loops or parts of songs. I think there are many better products than both for full song work. Just my thoughts….
@@dracul74 I have many synths I never use because with the “live jam” midi method I would need 16 audio inputs , space for all the gear and all in a space that pushes a good workflow. Which takes stands and stuff for larger gear. This could allow me to sample ANYTHING in my studio without the need of them all being hooked up into one system. Which could open some doors and at the very least give me a alternative workflow from the standard midi / groove box setup. Won’t fill that midi void like I stated but could be refreshing in other ways.
@@toddsmithmusic3172 yeah… I am older dude and have tried many approaches. Making sampled songs or loops with your own gear is super rewarding. I’ve also done a good bit of dawless with either Mpc or Sp handling samples of chords or rhythm… when I do that I usually have drum machine (digitakt or Roland) as the master. honestly I never thought I’d get into sampling… but once i did a lot of options opened up. Imo, some of the most fun is sampling your own instruments and resampling them w different effects. Like anything some frustrating moments on the ride, but all good fun. Enjoy!
@@toddsmithmusic3172 yeah it seems that was one of the biggest focuses when they were developing it. i read an interview of the founder / ceo from a bit over a year ago and he said.... 'I also got interested in the outdoors and bought a campervan so I’ve started going out in the woods to explore nature and now what I am working on is a system that allows you to create electronic music outdoors but let’s see what happens because the first thing you think about when going out into nature is silence and the sound of birds. But what we’ve seen is that many people take our products outdoors into the woods and start playing because they get creative. So that’s also an interesting exploration for me right now.' this was a bit over a year ago and he was surely referring to the ep-133. seems like he wants people to enjoy making music in nature or remote places so that must be the reason behind the insanely good battery life. the sp404 mk2 is by far a more capable device.. like it's not even close. but you can still do a ton on the ep-133 and even with external batteries to power via usb, the 404 mk2 gobbles up juice. i think it is very much worth having both. what better place to dump your ep-133 projects to than a long sample in the 404mk2? and then you can do even more live effects processing on it or just store it to save space on the ep-133. and you could easily do this out in nature or a remote place because you wouldn't be running the 404 a lot, mainly just to bounce your audio from the ep-133.
Definitely agree it's over-hyped right now, but I also have to commend TE on making yet again the most portable device of it's kind on the market. While the SP404 MkII is undoubtedly more capable and likely better for live performances, it just feels like a semi-portable device with its size and low battery life. I hope the EP-133 results in the rest of the manufacturers prioritizing portability on their future designs, though.
Part of the overhype ( still a good product) is the fact so many other products have been either high priced audio stuff or non related synth stuff like tables for over a year now. This is the first piece that is market friendly since OP-Z. Which did great but suffered from long term build issues.
The Sp404mk2 is vastly more powerful than the EP-133 KO. I bought both. 😂 Honestly I’m mostly an “in the box” kind of guy when it comes down to actually finishing music. I’ve bought just about every one of these sampler groovebox type devices that’s come out in recent years. The two which have clicked the best for me are the Polyend Tracker and the Ableton Push 3 Standalone. I think the 404mk2 is a great box, but I kind of hate how much Shift- functionality it has, a lot of which was shoehorned in after initial release. In the end, I use all of these in a similar way- making a few samples, sequencing some patterns, and eventually dumping them into Ableton to arrange into a proper song.
I think it’s a nice product. The slider thing is a little freak but overall can understand why people want it. I do feel the hype is overload because it’s the first unit people can afford in over a year or two from the company
@@toddsmithmusic3172 why anyone would spend 2k on something like a TE OP-1 is bonkers. Get something like a Korg Nautilus or Yamaha Montage 6 for that kind of cash.
They ain’t that far in price. 200$ isn’t massive. Still relatively in the same range of price compared to other gear. Either way, I’m not trying to say it’s better or crap on the new TE. Just stating why I went with the Roland. I do feel it was overhyped a bit and that is starting to hit reality stage.
I think Sp clearly winning overall but TE is nice piece of gear . Very light and accessible. I think is great device . And at this price point is even greater. They could easily charge et least twice and sell ot out in one day .
Weight absolutely matters. You would not want to have to carry a two lbs sampler because you already had to carry approx. 400lbs of stage gear like your speakers, amps, the mixing console and the piano. No way you are going to add a heavy sampler to that. ;-)
Yeah the mk2 is a clear winner over the TE ko2 imo. I don't trust TE either in build quality, especially with the issues in the OPZ and lesser but still present in the OP1 too. At least the price is relatively fair for the ko2. - I want a mk2. But with my octatrack I cannot justify it.
Didn't get my ko ii yet, but I didn't want a sp because tutorials turned me away. 404's workflow looks like madness and probably is amazing once one's muscle memory develops.
I wanna love my sp404 but it’s difficult to work with I find myself putting it away and using digitakt. It’s just too many steps to do anything. Regardless Ima have to get the ep as well 😂 cheers man!
Imo if it isn’t working for you as a beat maker… try it as an effects box on individual tracks or whole songs, as straight sampler / resampler or as a loop maker. I love my Digitakt… they play nice together… Digitakt on drums and Sp on samples via midi.
Tooooodd! Nice pieces in a few days. Can't wait to hear what you're going to bring to the table now. You might need a 16 track mixer now, at minimum, to have more control of your sound. Enjoy. 👍👍👍👍👍
I think you made the right call there? You’ll have so much more bang for your buck, and it will be so less limiting in terms of overall function. For me it would be whether I got the SP404 MKII or the Digitakt …I’d likely get the Digitakt as I’m a real fan of Elektron’s sequencer and workflow, I have the Model: Samples and the Syntakt so it would likely make more sense for me.
iPAD is great but I pushed mine so hard the battery became crapped out and it's pretty much useless. I'd have to pay for a replacement. I might get a new cheaper air at some point
Why not both ;) The TE product is more playful, the 404 has a much steeper leaning curve. I am shocked you can’t record the punch in effects, even the pocket operators record them.
The 404 is a far better deal especially when bought used, can't get the teenage engineering used. Also the 404 can easily be dressed up, lots of replacement knobs and skins, etc. Not sure how the KO feels but the 404 feels a bit plasticy, cheap, and not that sturdy.
Todd, a lot of people already have the 404Mk2. LOL. You're just late to the party. You also paid $550+ for it. Also, the new 404 replacement is coming out in 2024. It hasn't been officially announced, but if you're in the know, then you know. I'm not in the know, but my friend, who works for Akai and lives in Japan, has head several rumors about the new 404 coming out. These devices are two different things. Not sure why you would associate the two. Doesn't make sense.
I didn't pay full price. I'm never trying to be new to the party. Many people compare these two. This comment makes no sense to me but you have a good day
it is a good audio interface too. Once you set up pad sensitivity exactly as you see fit, and figure out a plan for how you will layout projects , I have a key list of project names and descriptions on the side so I need not remember. I also have a notebook of detailed descriptions of what and where stuff is. The mark button with that 45sec recall is a game changer.
Teenage Engineering have killed it with the design, somewhere between 1980s cash register and a device from TVA in Loki. For people who got the old KO it’ll be dream come true. They’ve all got their limits, you gotta go with what suits you and the flow most of all that suits. I reckon you’ll have two 707s before the end of next year man, you know it inside out. Can’t wait to see you do midi out from the 404 though 👍 interesting.
Well Todd.... Ya should have picked up the KO! 404 is dated! The love for the KO is real! Sp404 is LIMITED. Im an MPC live2/ ensoniq eps 16+/ and an sp404. The sp404 has is boring! Not inspired by it at all. I will keep it with the hope that roland will update it to eventually be.... GOOD!
I’m 100% happy with my choice. It’s a great piece so far and stronger than KO. KO does have strong points tho. You have options for a reason. I made the correct voice for me. KO is more limited than 404 in many ways.
I hope Behringer starts cloning TE gear and sells it for super cheap. That would be awesome.
Before you buy a second 707 make sure you look at the or tr8s because that would give you another 11 sliders for your drums and you can probably use one track on the 707 for your movie samples
Nice tip bro !
@@toddsmithmusic3172 I forgot you could also put samples in the tr8s
I also have all the above so I can tell you they work very well together
I ❤ using the 404 mkii, especially running external audio thru some of the glitch and vinyl effects. Great purchase!
Awesome ! Should be fun to explore
Its all about the effects. Its kinda a simple sampler, but it pushes you to be creative. I used to bring it to a office job when it first came out and a co-worker actually thought it was a calculator. Its fun, but my mpc is the one! I love pairing the two together
Thanks for the opinion
Hey Todd. You can get wicked face plates for the 404.
Nice, will look into it
You can make your own custom skin as well.
Teenage Engineering hasn't made anything I'd buy. They've made a few trinkets, a few super expensive toys, an outrageously expensive crappy desk, and while cool looking, a cheap sampler that looks like it won't last long. I mostly consider them a joke to be honest, also a rip off, so far anyways. I too would have chose the Roland SP-404MKII over the TE KO.
That said, in the realm of sampling, unless you're going for character samplers from the 80s/90s (for their unique sounds, I have most of them and use them for that purpose extensively) software samplers is where it's at imo. My go to is Bitwig's sampler, in and out of The Grid. It's mind blowing what I can do in there, and it's super easy. Memory is not even something I think about and I can use a thousand of them if I need to. I pair it with my Akai controller (with keys and pads of course) and Bitwig's remotes/custom script and I don't have to touch the mouse if I don't want to. It rules.
Anyways, congrats.
Software is honestly just had good if not better than hardware is many situations today. Hardware is a choice at this point in my opinion. Which is awesome, we’re open to so many possibilities of creation and almost any budget can get some kind of workflow that can give great results
I love the ko2, but after getting into it (being my first hardware sampler) I’m already looking at getting an sp404 mk2. Because I know I’m going to want to do more things that I know the ko2 probably will never be able to do. But as far as fun factor goes, the ko2 is a blast and has actually got me out of a creative slump.
You missed the powerful midi sequencer on the ep-133. But the 404mk2 is a beast in its own way
They both can send midi out and 404 has a TR grid and live recording mode. Each can go to 99 measures. So pretty similar on that level. I think TE does has a few more midi out tracks
@@toddsmithmusic3172 wait till you use the 404 seq 😅 you may end up with ep-133 as well 😄
Not enough projects or sample time, 9 tracks is way to limiting for me. Great piece tho. If this doesn't work out I'll get another 707 used or something else
I'm just jumping into it now. It's not horrid. I think it should be fine for mono synths. Time will tell bro, lol @@slakk5093
No you definitely made the right choice, I have both and the 404 is way better built and the pads are much better of course. The only thing I got the KO II for was the punch in effects which is cool but not worth the price just for that
I definitely made the right choice. Hope you have a great day.
I have the SP-404mkii and an MPC One - both are ace
I have both and the sp404 mk2 is a tried and true daily driver, my KO2 is already collecting dust lol
Just started exploring the 404 and it’s a blast
I think you should have bought the MPC One. I have the MPC and the SP and waiting for the EP133 but I think MPC is more straight forward and porwerful for midi than the SP. Also have the 707, the MPC is more powerfull too.
I like the 707 much better than MPC, to each their own on that one. I only need simple midi for my analog synths. In the end options are endless. I'd love two 707's but figured give this a shot first.
@@toddsmithmusic3172 I enjoy the 707 a lot too, but midi capabilities was what I was talking about, 707 Synth is a must have for me thou, nothing near in any gr0ovebox or sampler I owned.
Ahh ok, that makes sense. 707 is limited on measures for sure.
Very interested in how you get along with this! The features are incredible at the price point, but the key-combos are so daunting that I never use mine. IMO this interface is much better suited to the simpler 404-SX.
I learned in 5 minutes this won’t support the midi I need purely because of how the machine works. It only sends out one midi channel during playback. At the same time I was realizing that it could open new doors too. Not only will it give a alternative workflow to the midi / groove box setup. It can take advantage of all my gear without the need of it all being hooked up at once. Which is really awesome. It’s going to take time but I can build up a collection of samples for all my gear and have it all on one machine. I think that’s pretty dope and could be a fun way to explore my gear in the future.
@@toddsmithmusic3172 Extremely interesting! Can't wait to see what you get out of it. I have yet to approach any of that with mine, so really my opinion is a lazy one. This machine punches so far above it's weight that I'm sure it's worth putting in the time to reach a flow state with it. Thanks for the reply, man! And good luck :)
@@Rompler_Rocco it’s going to be new but I feel could be refreshing. It will allow me to make free sample packs very easily based off my gear too. I’m amped to see how this all evolves
Honestly you really want the novation sl 49 mk3 its the best for outboard gear! I have had mine for a few years now and still rock solid. You can run 9-10 synths on a sequencer at the push of a button. I have quite a few midi controllers for my 23 synths and 5 drum machines! I have 9 behringer synths and one behringer drum machine. Of my entire collection i have 13 analog and 7 digital synths, with 3 analog drum machines and 2 digital samplers. The novation is the one!! Also the kobol sounds dope, i heard it was like a french version of the model d so i passed on it. Plus i want the solina rn. I might have to add that one, but idk, its hard adding more mono synths when i have so many. Im thinking the ub-xa looks insane! Im still praying to the synth gods for the behringer jupiter-8 and the cs-80 (i think theirs is the ds-80) 🤯 yea their synths are all that! I love them too! And i agree, they are made to play, but i kinda collect them too! Lol but not because of value, but because of the different sounds. Btw also if dont have it, the wasp would be right up your ally. The filter on that synth is like no other! I have come to have a very fond passion for its super dope filter sweeps, you can control the sweep and basically automate it. Its super dope. Anyways, dope video! And i already said it but i will say it again, the pro 800 is super dope’
@@djJustJay Interesting! I know your reply was directed more at Todd, but it sounds like we have many of the same synths, yet I acquired most of mine just before life got in the way of actually using them. I even have the SL49 mk3, which went right back in the box when the sequencer wasn't exactly what I expected (with the blocks of 16 steps). Again, I just didn't have the time. Your comment has made me eager to get back and make it all work. Even the Wasp wasn't precisely what I expected, but I must admit that filter is very special. Take care!
The most amazing way to use the SP with hardeare is Off-the-grid electronic phase looping (different random lengths of loops). It creates astonishing results with very little wirk and its fun to make (spontaneous/improvisatiobal). Its also a good way to escape the strict repetitive structure that creates the trapped in a loop feeling.
Great tip! Thanks
I'm looking forward to what you can do with the 404. I really need a proper sampler, the volca that I have can't even sample and the memory is lackluster.
It's a fun little unit but limiting like all the Volca for sure. I hear rumors of a new SP hitting next year but obviously I'm not well connected or anything so ... who knows.
Congrats Todd. Been watching your channel for a while and this seems like a good fit for what you do. 👍 can’t wait to see what you do with it. Bounce some nice pads to the MKII to free up tracks as well.
Thanks 👍It’s going to be interesting
i like my SP but i feel like they skimped on some easy fixes... also a bit glitchy. maybe update 4.0 will come though for us....
Would be nice. !
I own the Sp. It’s a great device. That said, there are about 8000 non-intuitive things (shortcuts, etc) to memorize and remember with it. There is also no onboard mic (big deal to me). The ep seems to have done a great job of looking at the basics of what ppl want and starting there. I am excited to try it, but under no illusions of gear nirvana. Imo… the Sp is likely the better product… it’s great on its own as an effects box… just as a sampler and more. That said, for me these are both boxes that I’ll use to make loops or parts of songs. I think there are many better products than both for full song work. Just my thoughts….
Like you stated EP does has it’s advantages
Yea, this won’t do the midi out I wanted but does offer a complete new workflow for all my gear. I have a lot of gear to sample into this machine.
@@toddsmithmusic3172 I hear ya… I have similar to what’s in your vids. Enjoy!
@@dracul74 I have many synths I never use because with the “live jam” midi method I would need 16 audio inputs , space for all the gear and all in a space that pushes a good workflow. Which takes stands and stuff for larger gear. This could allow me to sample ANYTHING in my studio without the need of them all being hooked up into one system. Which could open some doors and at the very least give me a alternative workflow from the standard midi / groove box setup. Won’t fill that midi void like I stated but could be refreshing in other ways.
@@toddsmithmusic3172 yeah… I am older dude and have tried many approaches. Making sampled songs or loops with your own gear is super rewarding. I’ve also done a good bit of dawless with either Mpc or Sp handling samples of chords or rhythm… when I do that I usually have drum machine (digitakt or Roland) as the master. honestly I never thought I’d get into sampling… but once i did a lot of options opened up. Imo, some of the most fun is sampling your own instruments and resampling them w different effects. Like anything some frustrating moments on the ride, but all good fun. Enjoy!
To me the biggest advanrage the ep-133 has is 20 hours on 4aa batteries. That is crazy. But you can always use external batteeies via usb on the 404
That is a strong point of the EP. It’s a good unit
@@toddsmithmusic3172 yeah it seems that was one of the biggest focuses when they were developing it. i read an interview of the founder / ceo from a bit over a year ago and he said....
'I also got interested in the outdoors and bought a campervan so I’ve started going out in the woods to explore nature and now what I am working on is a system that allows you to create electronic music outdoors but let’s see what happens because the first thing you think about when going out into nature is silence and the sound of birds. But what we’ve seen is that many people take our products outdoors into the woods and start playing because they get creative. So that’s also an interesting exploration for me right now.'
this was a bit over a year ago and he was surely referring to the ep-133. seems like he wants people to enjoy making music in nature or remote places so that must be the reason behind the insanely good battery life. the sp404 mk2 is by far a more capable device.. like it's not even close. but you can still do a ton on the ep-133 and even with external batteries to power via usb, the 404 mk2 gobbles up juice.
i think it is very much worth having both. what better place to dump your ep-133 projects to than a long sample in the 404mk2? and then you can do even more live effects processing on it or just store it to save space on the ep-133. and you could easily do this out in nature or a remote place because you wouldn't be running the 404 a lot, mainly just to bounce your audio from the ep-133.
Definitely agree it's over-hyped right now, but I also have to commend TE on making yet again the most portable device of it's kind on the market.
While the SP404 MkII is undoubtedly more capable and likely better for live performances, it just feels like a semi-portable device with its size and low battery life.
I hope the EP-133 results in the rest of the manufacturers prioritizing portability on their future designs, though.
Part of the overhype ( still a good product) is the fact so many other products have been either high priced audio stuff or non related synth stuff like tables for over a year now. This is the first piece that is market friendly since OP-Z. Which did great but suffered from long term build issues.
I do feel this could be the start of a complete line of units looking like this EP. Like like larger PO’s
sounds like what you need is a deluge
I’m good man. Hope you have a good night !
@toddsmithmusic3172 you too. And I hope the 404 works out, I just think the deluge is more than capable of doing all of what you need.
@@liquidsakura 100%. Never know what the future may hold my friend. !
The Sp404mk2 is vastly more powerful than the EP-133 KO. I bought both. 😂 Honestly I’m mostly an “in the box” kind of guy when it comes down to actually finishing music. I’ve bought just about every one of these sampler groovebox type devices that’s come out in recent years. The two which have clicked the best for me are the Polyend Tracker and the Ableton Push 3 Standalone. I think the 404mk2 is a great box, but I kind of hate how much Shift- functionality it has, a lot of which was shoehorned in after initial release. In the end, I use all of these in a similar way- making a few samples, sequencing some patterns, and eventually dumping them into Ableton to arrange into a proper song.
Both ? Damn , well. You’re going to know for sure.
teenage engineering is too gimmicky. Roland and Elektron are my go to and Sonicware has been putting out some nice products too.
I think it’s a nice product. The slider thing is a little freak but overall can understand why people want it. I do feel the hype is overload because it’s the first unit people can afford in over a year or two from the company
@@toddsmithmusic3172 why anyone would spend 2k on something like a TE OP-1 is bonkers. Get something like a Korg Nautilus or Yamaha Montage 6 for that kind of cash.
No competition, you made the right choice!
It literally just came out. Were u even able to buy one before it sold out? A title like this should be made at least a few months later.
I guess. Ummm, it’s out and I had the option between both. Either way hope you have a amazing day
We are talking about two different price ranges, I believe everyone’s expectations were too high of course the 404 is better than KO.
They ain’t that far in price. 200$ isn’t massive. Still relatively in the same range of price compared to other gear. Either way, I’m not trying to say it’s better or crap on the new TE. Just stating why I went with the Roland. I do feel it was overhyped a bit and that is starting to hit reality stage.
@@toddsmithmusic3172 Nah I agree 100%
I think Sp clearly winning overall but TE is nice piece of gear . Very light and accessible. I think is great device . And at this price point is even greater. They could easily charge et least twice and sell ot out in one day .
Weight absolutely matters. You would not want to have to carry a two lbs sampler because you already had to carry approx. 400lbs of stage gear like your speakers, amps, the mixing console and the piano. No way you are going to add a heavy sampler to that. ;-)
Yeah the mk2 is a clear winner over the TE ko2 imo. I don't trust TE either in build quality, especially with the issues in the OPZ and lesser but still present in the OP1 too. At least the price is relatively fair for the ko2. - I want a mk2. But with my octatrack I cannot justify it.
Yea, Octa is nice !~
You're going to be able to do a complete set on the SP. Not so much the EP.
Ye, feels like that’s one of the 404 strings points
Didn't get my ko ii yet, but I didn't want a sp because tutorials turned me away. 404's workflow looks like madness and probably is amazing once one's muscle memory develops.
T-Smith, bro you are a king! Much Luv and God Bless...
Love yea broskies. Stay safe.
I wanna love my sp404 but it’s difficult to work with I find myself putting it away and using digitakt.
It’s just too many steps to do anything.
Regardless Ima have to get the ep as well 😂 cheers man!
Life is rough bro !! lol
Imo if it isn’t working for you as a beat maker… try it as an effects box on individual tracks or whole songs, as straight sampler / resampler or as a loop maker. I love my Digitakt… they play nice together… Digitakt on drums and Sp on samples via midi.
Should've bought a new/used MPC One
So many options broskies !
@@toddsmithmusic3172 If you watch videos of people using the SP they use it as a FX unit because sequencing is a pain on that thing
Tooooodd! Nice pieces in a few days. Can't wait to hear what you're going to bring to the table now. You might need a 16 track mixer now, at minimum, to have more control of your sound. Enjoy. 👍👍👍👍👍
It will allow TONS of long samples to my tracks. Will be fun
I think you made the right call there? You’ll have so much more bang for your buck, and it will be so less limiting in terms of overall function.
For me it would be whether I got the SP404 MKII or the Digitakt
…I’d likely get the Digitakt as I’m a real fan of Elektron’s sequencer and workflow, I have the Model: Samples and the Syntakt so it would likely make more sense for me.
Digitakt is a great device !
Great choice! But you never tried Koala sampler on your ipad? It's awesome too 😊
iPAD is great but I pushed mine so hard the battery became crapped out and it's pretty much useless. I'd have to pay for a replacement. I might get a new cheaper air at some point
Why not both ;) The TE product is more playful, the 404 has a much steeper leaning curve. I am shocked you can’t record the punch in effects, even the pocket operators record them.
😂😂😂 facts
At the price points of the machines, why not just get both. lol
Could still snag a TE used later on. Never know.
The 404 is a far better deal especially when bought used, can't get the teenage engineering used. Also the 404 can easily be dressed up, lots of replacement knobs and skins, etc. Not sure how the KO feels but the 404 feels a bit plasticy, cheap, and not that sturdy.
404mk2 holds its value extremely well. Ive been lurking to buy one used and after shipping I'm not really seeing anything under 410.
It has held value very well for sure.
Todd, a lot of people already have the 404Mk2. LOL. You're just late to the party. You also paid $550+ for it. Also, the new 404 replacement is coming out in 2024. It hasn't been officially announced, but if you're in the know, then you know. I'm not in the know, but my friend, who works for Akai and lives in Japan, has head several rumors about the new 404 coming out. These devices are two different things. Not sure why you would associate the two. Doesn't make sense.
I didn't pay full price. I'm never trying to be new to the party. Many people compare these two. This comment makes no sense to me but you have a good day
separated tape layers :)
Bro , that’s like matrix ?
Al from Ministry ,so yeah true. @@toddsmithmusic3172
shoulda got m8
I’m 100% happy with my purchases, thank you
SP404mk2 = less talk more knock.
it is a good audio interface too. Once you set up pad sensitivity exactly as you see fit, and figure out a plan for how you will layout projects , I have a key list of project names and descriptions on the side so I need not remember. I also have a notebook of detailed descriptions of what and where stuff is. The mark button with that 45sec recall is a game changer.
Nice ! Good to know
Teenage Engineering have killed it with the design, somewhere between 1980s cash register and a device from TVA in Loki.
For people who got the old KO it’ll be dream come true.
They’ve all got their limits, you gotta go with what suits you and the flow most of all that suits.
I reckon you’ll have two 707s before the end of next year man, you know it inside out.
Can’t wait to see you do midi out from the 404 though 👍 interesting.
Design wise they win. They are designers first and synth heads second.
A second used 707 could definitely happen at some point.
I can only comment with my eyes and wallet bro, never owned any TE gear.
@@TheSemtexCow I owned a few PO’s and OP-1
And I’ve had my eye on the 707 for months.
I think it’s how I found your channel.
Gotta love those Roland sounds.
Listen to me i have a mk2 and it randomly fried itself send it back and get the ko 2 already ordered mine 😊
Cool , hope you enjoy it
@@toddsmithmusic3172 I hope your mk2 dosent randomly fry like mine did I’ll post a bud about mine soon
@@natemakesbeats2138 Every company will have random failures. My friend has a moog with a bad filter knob. Sucks when anything like that happens
Well Todd.... Ya should have picked up the KO! 404 is dated! The love for the KO is real!
Sp404 is LIMITED. Im an MPC live2/ ensoniq eps 16+/ and an sp404. The sp404 has is boring! Not inspired by it at all. I will keep it with the hope that roland will update it to eventually be.... GOOD!
I’m 100% happy with my choice. It’s a great piece so far and stronger than KO. KO does have strong points tho. You have options for a reason. I made the correct voice for me. KO is more limited than 404 in many ways.
Everyone has different experiences my friend. Hope KO offers you what you need !
Many are experiencing fader issues with the EP-133 KO