In space, two aliens are talking to each other. The first alien says, “the dominant life forms on the Earth planet have developed satellite based nuclear weapons”. The second alien says, “are they an emerging intelligence?” The first alien says, “I don’t think so, they have them aimed at themselves “
@@Christobanistan Was about to say something similar. For many species, their most common competitors are each other, and it's usually increasingly true the more dominant they become. You don't have to be especially violent for this to be the case. Like, if most people who kill do so against other people, that doesn't have to mean the species is violent or immature. How many people do you interact with on a daily basis? Now, how many hyenas do you interact with on a daily basis? Of COURSE your most likely threat is going to be another person. We like to talk about how we have things like genocide or total war. But even including the holocaust, both world wars, and all the other wars in the 20th century, the 20th century was still the safest and least violent century for the average person. These large-scale wars only happen because we've gotten better at cooperating at larger scales. Another way to think about it. If you were to give a chimp access to nuclear codes and a full understanding of what it entails, they aren't going to sit there and contemplate the global effects and the philosophy about what such power means. They wouldn't just push the button, they would straight up hump the button and get off on how much dominance they asserted. If we were to find another species that was more intelligent than us, it more or less implies they had to compete with similarly-intelligent beings and outsmart them. While that could be another species, it would most likely be their own. So they would probably have outright star system destroyers AND be more pacifist than us. You can't scale up this kind of power if you are also unintelligent and trigger-happy. You would have destroyed your species with bows and arrows long before that.
@@webx135 yeah gonna say ur wrong aliens would have came from different species and planets and most likely would grow different like ants don’t go to war with themselves they might even have evolved to get along extremely well where apes, chimps and such fight with themselves and have evolved around survival of the fittest where on the planet of these said aliens there might be sooo many resources that they never evolve to fight over them
@@Christobanistan yeah gonna say ur wrong aliens would have came from different species and planets and most likely would grow differently so they might never have had wars with themselves like ants don’t go to war with themselves they might even have evolved to get along extremely well where apes, chimps and such fight with themselves and have evolved around survival of the fittest where on the planet of these said aliens there might be sooo many resources that they never evolve to fight over them
We've believed to have dodged nature but the truth is we haven't. Nature has a funny way of running its course no matter what. We breed with people susceptible to cancer, diabetes, mental illness and other sickness over and over. We think medicine is helping but it's weakened us. We are defendant on chemicals with horrible side effects. The weak are meant to die but we keep them alive and they continue to spawn. Lol, I know I sound like a crazy person but in short, we've stopped the natural selection process. Our evolution has come to an end manually.
its is isn't it. so used to them both just trying to inform ill informed educator's, that an eloquent discussion can be communicated so civilly and easily.
As a child I remember a woman saying we should have that solved, after all we are modern, it is the 1950's. That was so long ago and so much has been learned since. We rate intelligence on our own learning and as this video shows we could be lesser than we think.
"If a group of beings from another planet were to land on Earth - beings who considered themselves as superior to you as you feel yourself to be to other animals - would you concede them the rights over you that you assume over other animals?" - George Bernard Shaw
@Johnfuse The other animals do resist the abuse we give them, but they simply cannot succeed. The same as if we were attacked by aliens superior in strength and knowledge. The question is whether the superior species has the moral right to opress and kill those beneath them? Considering you said you would fight the aliens, your answer seems to be No.
@@jhunt5578 Strength and knowledge would be the only thing differentiating us from this “alien species.” However, consciousness is what separates humans and animal. The simple fact that we can conceive the idea that there may be a species of a much higher intellect out there is explanatory. We are aware.
@@UrFavBrunette_dancer So you think that the lower level of consciousness found in other animals is grounds to deny them rights? Then what about the humans who have lower levels of consciousness like babies, infants and severely mentally handicapped people, can we deny them rights and treat them as we do other animals?
@@jhunt5578 For the same reason that I’m pro-life, no. Even if they didn’t have a conscience, it’s still immoral to kill them since they will soon become sentient; it’s as bad as murder. In fact, Discarding someone’s right to life *is* murder. However, animals do not have consciousnesses or moral compasses. There is no lower or higher level of consciousness, you’re either human or you’re not. I don’t condone animal abuse in the slightest, but this is factual. The mentally handicapped are only less intelligent.
deGrasse's thoughts reminded me of some of my views on the matter: SUPER INTELLIGENT BEINGS Imagine yourself, perceiving a plant, say a tree - its incredibly slow metabolic rate and predictable "behavior" i.e growth. Also in some sense the plant is defenseless against your whim, whatever it may be - to cut it down, burn it, or eat (parts of) it. Better still imagine a stone - its practically unchanging crystal structure, and unique combination of minerals shaped by geological processes over billions of years. Again - the stone is a passive, and for all practical purposes (by definition!), a lifeless object. Now imagine, that a super-intelligent being would perceive YOU in a manner analogous to your perception of that tree, or rock. In the time that you would take one breath, it would seem to such a being that eons have passed during which its leaps and strides of insight would dwarf the totality of our (human) current intellectual achievements.
Honestly I don't believe a being like that could exist. The passage of time being so fast and it's experiences rivaling extreme speeds in terms of perception, thought and etc. It wouldn't be possible biologically speaking. The amount of energy required to sustain it would be extreme.
+Scah Saint The description I gave doesn't assume that such a being would need to be of a biological basis. I suppose it's something of an intuition pump, to get our imagination going.
+Aristotle Stagirus You know, I have been wondering weather the emergence of sentience hasn't already begun within the world wide web internet network---think of the film Ghost in the Shell. And consequently, we the drones who click, click, download, upload, and communicate online are merely an extension of the subservient stratum upon which that sentience is grounded---just like our thought spans the subservient strata of our nervous system.
***** Even if it were 1% similarity the argument would still be the same. The argument on this video is that the difference we have to apes could be the difference aliens have to us. Anyway these comments are about "Its not just DNA that capture's our intelligence.". not the 99%.
Another interesting aspect of the argument I think has to do with what role interactions between individuals has. Humans had roughly the same hardware for many thousands of years before we did anything significant with it. For the vast majority of human existence we were just a hunter gatherer species. But then people started figuring out that they could make plants grow where they wanted them and we had an agricultural revolution. That allowed more humans to work together toward common goals. And consistently throughout history the more you enable humans to work together in larger and larger groups the more they can accomplish. So what happens if we take a species just as intelligent as us but put them in an interstellar society vastly more populous than our own?
ive discussed this with my mom ALLLLL the time and she looks at me like im completely crazy , but to make a long story short i feel like humans are losing touch with reality and getting more trapped in our thoughts and in some ways devolving and losing social skills etc
I agree and often wonder if we're just en route to being lost in our own heads sitting behind screens commenting on stuff lol (kind of like what we're doing now lol)
+bobmoore20 lol yea but assuming we're both not in a social situation right now , that would be ok unless it was in excess , and bad posture is another big problem today but people seem to think thats not important but its part of the conglomerate of importance
Interesting fact, we today do not have the largest brains...... Early modern humans are said to have slightly larger brains then we do today as well as neanderthal, the record goes to the boskop skulls which are found around the southern region of Africa. There has certainly been studies that suggest humans are getting dumber over time, one of the reasons I have heard for this comes down to simple practicality. In the way that modern cultures work being smarter doesn't help you, its probably better to be dumber and for your body to use material in other ways which would mean smaller brains in favor of other attributes. This means that while in third world countries due to a lack of educational system they don't tend to score high on IQ test might actually be home to the smartest people on average today. Think about what it takes to figure out how to survive in the middle of a desert?
Well the internet is just what it is. Why would humans seek conversations with ppl irl when they can just turn on their computer to talk to all sorts of people. This provides great cover for people that have low social skills etc. I mean on the internet nobody judges you bc of your look. Is it sad that we are closing our selfs from society? Sure it is Can we do something about it? Nah, deal with it
i think people need to keep their chin up and face reality ,we use our imagination way too much and i feel as if we dont learn actually as much as we could and as fast as we could
We have no reasonable hope of mutually meaningful communication with a species from another world when we haven't yet figured out how to have mutually meaningful communication with another species from our own world.
Why would a super intelligent being NOT understand a simpler life form's communications? We understand how monkeys communicate. We even understand bacteria's signals within their colonies. We even recently discovered electrical signals used by some fungi colonies to communicate and we're working to understand what those mean.
That is absolutely not true. We have thousands of biologists and other scientists who dedicate their whole lives to understanding these things. We very recently discovered electrical signals used by some fungi species for communication. We have been extremely interested in this subject for millennia, all the way back to the domestication of dogs at least.
+Ryder Washington Perhaps but even comparing them to other humans is arbitrary and might turn out to be very low on the scale of potential intelligence compared to unknown beings. But my point was to point out that genetics plays a role in intelligence in humans.
Humans are at a level of intelligence in that we are able to excel in the things we do because we are committed to spending enough time on a particular subject and by storing the information from the very beginning of what we study on any given subject or matter, whether it be by writing it in books, teaching the next generation, then having them pass the information down and so on an so forth for generations and generations to come. The result we achieve is to put it simply a more accurate formula from all those years/attempts of trial and error. The information is constantly flowing and improving. Take for example the Pyramids. The reason we do not know exactly how the pyramids were built for certain even in this day and age is because somewhere along the lines this information was somehow lost. There is no doubt the construction of the pyramids were not built overnight, in 10 years or even a century but in fact over thousands of years based on the rule I mentioned in my first paragraph. So you have a discovery/subject whatever it is, with a starting point from 0 to say 3,000 years. Now tell me will this study be more accurate at 0 starting point or after 3,000 years of trial and error? If this information of 3,000 years is lost there is nothing for the next generation to go by therefore it is lost forever and no matter how smart we think we are, we will never be able to figure it out. So instead we resort to saying. "Oh it must have been aliens from another world". It's not that we are more intelligent now than we were thousands of years ago, the intelligence was always the same it's just that time that has led us to be where we are today. Technology was invented, not out of nowhere but more so one thing led to another over time of trial and error and since we are now raised in this environment, although we are familiar with it if we do not understand something about it and we want to know why and how it works we have the answers through a stream of networks, stored information and knowledgeable human beings on the subject that can relay this information to people who want to learn. We are so advanced as human beings today because we have an education system in place and with so many subjects any one of us can choose to spend the majority of our adult life committed to and the potential to break new boundaries over time by using the information that is in front of us. In regards to a higher intelligence, that of relating to us, it would mean that it would not require a lot of time to be able to accomplish some of the things studied by us that took us thousands of years to reach but only in a fraction of that time. Can you imagine the possibilities of such an intelligence?
+Vernie It took me a minute and a half to read it don't be so lazy, he makes some very interesting points "Can you imagine the possibilities of such an intelligence?"
+Vernie The construction of the pyramids seems to be alien to us today but I'm sure that if the people from that time saw the technology we have today it would seem alien to them.
+GGMuscle building pyramids is a easy task for humanity by the help of existing technology but we can easily say that back then it was not physically possible for humans to build pyramids they must have needed very sophisticated technology to build it. What was that technology and who gave it to them if the technology was not that advance as we think it would have been then the kind of technology they must have used would have taken hundreds of years to build those prymids.There are thousands of pyramids and majority of them were not used for keeping tombs then whats the purpose of building huge structures without any purpose.There are many deep studies and theories on pyramids and othere things and many of them suggest aliens or something more intelligent then them or even modern humans.
he is really close minded, he believes so hard on what he knows that he thinks he can extrapolate all that knowledge to other areas of science, even he knew he made a dumb proposition when the biologist told him how the DNA code works, he immediatly changed subject.
Amy Lorenzo i like Neil but he is really close minded, but that doesn't mean that he is unable accept when he is wrong, in this video for example he inmediatle knew when his aproach on the 5% DNA difference wasn't correct, he didn't say it but you can tell by his body language and that he never brought back the argument since it was descarted by Richard. being close minded and stubborn its another thing, a stubburn person like most people in youtube comments will debate and defend his posture even when he knows he is proven wrong.
From the description box, I believe we're not the most advanced species on Earth. The universe is too vast to even think we're the most advance species in all the universe.
Meh. I'm impressed with trees. What if they're mitigating nearly all factors for the sustainability of life on earth and we are clueless. They give us food, process chemicals, break down rock, alter gas exchange, order and balance communication with multiple species on earth. They are the mitigating factors or land air and sea. Who to say they aren't factoring the calculations of what it takes to support life on earth, and then they proceed to do so.
btw, 1.5 percent difference can mean the difference between having 9 legs and 5 arms, and being single celled. 1.5 percent is huge on the genetic scale.
An alien visits our planet for the first time. The first place he walks into is a church! He see Jesus nailed to the cross above a table! A priest walks, STUNNED when he sees the Alien, but does not run! The alien see's the priest and asks, "Who is that?" The priest answers,, "That's our God!" The Alien runs out of the church, get back in his space craft and sends a warning to the rest of the galaxy! "STAY AWAY FROM THIS PLANET CALLED EARTH! YOU SHOULD SEE HOW THEY TREAT THEIR GOD! I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT THEY WOULD DO TO THEIR ENEMIES OR EVEN FRIENDS!"
Joe DeBoo i said probably ... why tf is it dumb? only one book confirms his existance, no other evidence has been found to make his existance a historical fact
www.scientificamerican.com/article/many-animals-can-think-abstractly/ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_cognition it's true that we humans have a greater capability when it comes to abstract thinking, but that doesn't mean we are the only ones. There are many research papers in this area, you can google them as well.
I cannot but disagree with the problem imagined by NDT. First, it is well proven that intelligence and capacity to produce technology are separate categories of concerns. We must acknowledge the enormous effect of the continuous accumulation of knowledge for the capacity to create technology. For two identically gifted species, one would emerge far advanced from the other based only on the fact that it has been able to accumulate knowledge over longer period of time (measured in generations). For us to get here it took 3.5 billion years and phenomenal luck over phenomenal luck (remember the missile crisis in the '60) to evolve. I wonder how many older Earth like environments would be out there? Given the mathematical odds and the timeframe, I am not sure we ever need to worry about much else than loosing our ways and devolving as our famous predecessors did so many times in the past (Egyptians, Hittite, Sumerians, Greco-Romans etc)
True, but only if they were able to survive and to continuously progress. I believe the 2% lead comes as less then a rounding decimal on the total probability of such a species to exist, otherwise the Mayan people (who were aliens to us until Columbus, but have the same IQ as any westerner) would had been technologically aux-pair with the Spaniards at the time of first contact
He does jump from one idea to a different and sometimes completely unrelated idea. He makes valid arguments for every thought, though and in my opinion.
Chad Aoun theyre half theories with no base. the man is good at remembering crap, hes not a theorist. oh and hes black, which puts a smile on every libcuck when they see his rotund black ass walk across stage (look how far weve come)
i used this three times today www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientists-find-a-link-between-low-intelligence-and-acceptance-of-pseudo-profound-bulls-a6757731.html
Does Tyson have audio books? I am getting my degree in Nurse Practitioner, one which directly writes scripts. Nonetheless also have my degree in Biology and took physics course in undergrad. It would be nice to get a masters in physics as well as practitioning but I don't have time.
I'm sure Mr. deGrasse Tyson is a great physicist and he's definitely a great narrator but he's a lousy host. He keeps interrupting people and constantly laughs at his own jokes.
Cuz he's black. That type of attitude doesn't go away. No matter the education. It'll come out once in a while. Try to suppress it, it'll come out eventually
My Herpes Itch Oh shut the fuck up man. That's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. I suppose every in-your-face white comedian ever is secretly black too right?
I hate when people, especially scientists use that worm analogy. The reason we know worms don't think too much is because someone actually DID care to find out what was going on in their heads. It's called scientific curiosity, which a scientist of all people should understand. Even if humans were literally microscopic organisms it would be stupid of aliens to just gloss over us like we're nothing, especially if life is as uncommon as it seems.
I like you Neil, but even I know that's not how DNA works. :D Also, you need to factor in the effects of culture. Ever since we acquired the ability to record, store, and retrieve information from physical mediums (books, clay tablets, computers, etc.) and even oral history, instead of having to rely only on our own memories and experiences, every single human being has been adding to this super entity called human culture. Human culture being the culmination of all our recorded thoughts, all our technology, all our experiences, and all of our knowledge. Individually we might not be that smart compared to some hyper-intelligent alien, but human culture as a whole has been getting progressively smarter and more advanced. And that development is speeding up. We've been speeding away, culturally speaking, from chimps for thousands of years now, while chimps have supposedly just entered their equivalent of the Stone Age. Other intelligent animals do have culture as well, but it doesn't operate on the same level as ours. Not yet. An alien might not be that interested in humans. But some day it might take some interest in our culture, the thing that connects us together into a cohesive whole. Like bees in a hive. Remember that we humans, even though we think we're so much smarter than a bug, are actually quite intrigued by how bee colonies and ant colonies operate sometimes with some striking instances of apparent awareness. I think that's probably how an alien might eventually come to see us.
Humans in compared to all species we "know" are the most intelligent. In compared to the unknown we can't blindly say that we are intelligent compared to the unknown. That would make no sense.
People definitely need to get off their high horse and learn some humility. Pride is the deadliest of sins. I prevents you from becoming a better person because you refuse to believe that you are NOT good enough.
The simple answer is that there is no other life form on this planet that knows what we know or can do what we can do so I would say that we are The Most Intelligent Species without doubt.
+baarni yea only on our planet which is one of an infinite amount, the drake equation states there is around 300 billion likely intelligent species in our own galaxy or have been. life only lasts for a certain time frame. so of course some have been are and will be. i think in comparison to some based on probability obviously we are nothing but to other planets we are as intelligent as a "god"
yann adai The drake equation is just math based on opinion. It is just as likely that earth is the only place in the universe that harbors life. Until we can confirm that there is intelligent life elsewhere the drake equation is just a human contrived assertion to create incentive.
baarni it is based not only on super probable opinion but math of course yes i know this. A mathematician/astrophysicist. very logical person haha you think that out of a universe this size with our atom dna main make up being so commonly found out there, that we are and eventually were the only existing life...LOL fool if you think so...simple
yann adai You don't appear to understand, The drake equation is a claim (like religion) and not a statement and is based on arbitrary assumptions and not based on a single shred of observable or objective evidence and so is nothing more than a curiosity and must be taken with a grain of salt. I never said that I think we are the only existing life in the universe. I only implied that it is not impossible. I assume we are not and that life is possibly relatively common throughout the universe but like any good cosmologist I am not foolish enough to rule out that life is unique to earth. After all life has never been detected anywhere else in the universe. Actually DNA is not so common, The only place DNA can be found is on earth and is exclusive to living organisms. So far it also has not been detected anywhere else in the universe. Only a fool would resign themselves to an unjustified belief without any supporting evidence....
baarni lmao like religion? math mathematicians and astrophysicists are not like religion. done reading it there. never said it was fact, but to think life is only here is less intelligent.
An easier way to ask this question is by proposing the idea that we are a big fish in a small pond, and if we take into account all the sentient life in the universe and make a gauss curve or maybe just a scale from 1 to 100, where would the human race at this exact point in time compete against other sentient species, would we even be in the 50 percentile?
If I remember right, there was an Orangutan (I think...) that they were able to teach some more advanced language and skills / tasks to. I'm a bit fuzzy on the details, but I recall they were actually able to get it to perform complex tasks *and* give answers to questions (sign language). Most of the time though, we are just teaching them repetitive tasks...Aside from that one example, and I'm sure there's more, they don't really understand language. They are just learning by repetition and rewards. If anyone knows the one Orangutan I am thinking of though or more details of that case, please reply!
May be ET really is friendly and comes in peace, but we are so fearful and paranoid that we'll call war in anticipation for no good reason at all. Do you really want to be at war with a superior alien civilization?
Tyson is too quick to disregard humanity and the reaction another intelligent species may have upon discovering our existence. The fact that we still haven't found solid proof of even the most simple life forms outside Earth shows just how extremely rare life most likely is throughout the Universe. Sentient beings probably even more so. Life is most precious and it would be foolish of anyone, no matter how intelligent, to just ignore it.
Or, for that matter, irradicate it. I believe we've been genetically engineered by beings of superior intelligence as workers. Workers being just another name as slaves or tax/debt slaves with the illusion of freedom. Unless it was simply humans doing this to other humans. However, regardless, the financial system was created as a form of control and manipulation of the 'working class' as well as a means of power security for the world 'leaders' and the world's richest.
we have been to only one planet,let alone going outside the solar system, we don't even completely understand our own brain let alone our planet, and you saying life is rare? Dude we don't know and haven't seen jackshit of the universe, to come on a conclusion that life is rare in the universe, this statement my friend is pure arrogance at its lowest
+Grudge I'm not saying humanity is special, one of a kind and we should feel entitled. In fact, we should be humbled. However, we shouldn't disregard ourself in such manner. I'm sure you know of the Fermi paradox and for the moment it proves to be true. As I said, we are part of Life, apparently a very, very precious resource in the galaxy, most likely the Universe itself. Now how is that arrogant?
There is an idea that i very much enjoy. It states that life is actually quite common in the universe, but there comes a critical period during that life-form's evolution where it creates a weapon capable of wiping it out of existence (in humanity's case, nuclear weapons). I enjoy this idea, because it gives me the impression that almost no life-form makes it past that critical step in evolution, meaning that we as humans are doomed. Just a fun thought i wanted to share. Carry on.
We are no more "intelligent" than many other animals. What makes us different is our ability to create and understand an extremely complex language.Without our language, we would still be living in the trees.
This is an astute observation. Our main advantage is indeed actually our social cognition that allows us to self organize on a massive, which no other animals have managed.
I thought the 99% chimp thing was false, like, a science video I watched on UA-cam said that the 99% figure comes from comparing ONLY the genetic structures between the two species that are similar enough to compare (of which 99% are identical). But there is still a greater difference between chimps and humans than that. Can someone confirm/deny?
It depends on how you count the difference. But yes, basically it's accurate. Something like or 98.5% similar. You have a cube with 6 blue sides and a cube with 5 blue sides and 1 red side. What percentage similar are they? 83% since 5 out of 6 sides are identical? 0% since they are actually completely different cubes? Or some more arbitrary number since color is only one factor among many? Depends what you count.
in fact I found him the opposite, he was great with his worm analogy to describe, what place humans may hold in the conscience of higher intelligent species
1:33 1.5 % is a huge difference when talking about the genome, considering that the exchange of one single nucleotide can mean the difference between life and death.
We are so intelligent that we kill each other for fun, we destroy our planet because we can, we treat other animals like if they were things, yes, we are that smart!! Now, seriously, are we really smart? yes, we are, but that doesn´t mean we are smarter than other animals, we think we are because we are bias to ourselfs, we like to think that we aware of who we are, that create things, that dominate other species make us smarter, but I think we are just different, not smarter or better than other animals, just different. And we are judges, defenders and anything else to say we are smarter, so are we really smarter? We just think we are but sometimes I believe we are not that smart.
We are the most dominant species on the planet because of our ability to think creatively and innovate. In the short term it benefits us, however with great power comes great responsibility. Which we are not fit to handle due to other parts of our character which are greed, ignorance, and other factors. That combination does not do well long term for humans or any other species. The more basic the life form the longer they seem to last without destroying themselves.
When E. said "The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once', he didn't indicate whether this was a fabrication of the mind or not. It wasn't, but it also says there is an infinite fraction that has no relation with any other fraction, apart from the relative consistency in degradation, represented by halftimes throughout the periodic table, and there biological entities are an exception as well. Would there be any electric current possible where there is no gravitational field present?! Of course not : there would only be antimatter. Wouldn't that current through biological life just be a side effect of our exception to the halftime in radioactive degradation?! There might be a correlation, and yes we're close to finding it, there might not be in the way I now project that, who knows. 'Life is a way for the universe to extend the periodic table as a counterweight to survive anti-matter' would be a bit too presumptuous, but it certainly is gathered by all black holes, and the electric current in my brain tries to introspect the universal observations it makes. Light is our way of communicating. I am not religious, but that's the only thing religion got right, it 'knew' 'light' was of the essence. Awkward though.
the worlds so subjective man! i could easily refute every one of this black mans ignorant rants allow me to do so, the reason we dont ask what the worm is thinking is because its commonplace and its not our focus. we do focus on lesser beings without brains and wonder how it operates and works. we are currently searching for aliens with novel ways of basic thinking hoping we find the even most simplest beings out there. certainly we arent a godsend for intelligence but intelligence is objective, it can be arrived at in various ways but to say a worm is as intelligent as a human (or monkey in this case) is asinine to the concept of objective morality. physics exists, thats not subjective, some things adapt faster, thats not subjective, thats neural fire rate
Well NDT, that's just depressing... the idea that aliens wouldn't really be interested in communicating with us. It certainly is humbling, because, yes the reason we are hopeful that aliens might communicate is because we believe we're WORTH the effort.
I imagine an intelligence so advanced to the point it sees humans as worms, the species would most likely commit a self extinction due to not having any will for being alive, or it would represent just a machine seperated from all biological functions and needs and just be full of thoughts and knowladge.
I don't like his analogy about worms. Yes we're way more intelligent than worms, but do you honestly think very highly intelligent species will ignore us because we are more than eat, move, and sleep creature? No. We do more than that. We make use of our brains and that will distinguish us from worms and other creatures.
What if we rather consider the human species a single ant colony among all ant colonies on the planet, while the alien is considered human? I enjoy myself once in a while when entertaining this thought. If not realistic, it is fantastic, offering perspective.
I think his analogy would make sense if the galaxy was flooded with other intelligent species, think of the Star Wars universe In a galaxy like that, no one would care about us But as there probably aren't many other intelligent species in the galaxy, even if they were a lot more advanced than us, I think they'd at least check us out Think of as if you hadn't seen an animal, you only ever saw humans, then you see a chimp or a dog Sure, you're more advanced than it by a long shot, but you would at least check it out
Man, Neil would *LOVE* HP Lovecraft's work. It deals with beings so alien and beyond our understanding - so grand in size, intelligence, and technology - that humans can scarcely comprehend them.
I'll preface my recommendations with a disclaimer that Lovecraft was only a passable technical writer and that he put far less emphasis on character development in favor of slow, inferred plot and world exposition. This makes sense with the overarching theme of his works being that humans are ultimately insignificant in the vast, terrifying cosmos. He was also somewhat less racist than others in the 20s, but still pretty racist. Anywho, the best starting points for his work is probably "The Call of Cthulhu and Other Weird Stories", a collection of his short stories. In that book are several of his more accessible works.
Thanks! And thanks again for the disclaimer. I wasn’t expecting too much character development anyway due to the subject matter of his work that you alluded to in your first post. cheers
We have competition instead of cooperation. Egoistic instead of being conscious. Follow routines like animals instead of being creative. Suffer and survive like animals instead of making life better using problem solving skills.
Well it's not about the small genetic differences. That's an obfuscation. It's about the result of the genetype, which is that humans have larger brains. We also have weaker jaws and weaker arms. So it appears that the brain size and opposable thumbs - i.e. physical manifestations of the genetic code - are what truly determine intelligence.
SpeakerWiggin49 There is obfuscation in your mind. Brain size tells pretty much nothing about intelligence, and brain/body ratio also tells not much about it. Elephants and whales have much bigger brains than humans, for example, but you don't see them writing, debating life philosophies or solving maths problems - as they should, because, well, their brains are huge compared to ours .
Im a bit confused on the argument Dawkins is making, could someone clear it up for me please? is he saying that we might be an order of magnitude smarter than chimps? like the 1.5% DNA difference may not correspond 1-to-1 to the difference in intelligence? (I.e., 1.5% DNA difference may mean 1,00,000% smarter etc)
The Mother Tongue … English and How It Got That Way … Author bill bryson. Although this was an immensely long time ago-some 20,000 years before the domestication of animals and the rise of farming-these Cro-Magnon people were identical to us: They had the same physique, the same brain, same looks. And, unlike all previous hominids who roamed the earth, they could choke on food. That may seem a trifling point, but the slight evolutionary change that pushed man’s larynx deeper into his throat, and thus made choking a possibility, also brought with it the possibility of sophisticated, well-articulated speech. Other mammals have no contact between their airways and esophagi. They can breathe and swallow at the same time, and there is no possibility of food going down the wrong way. But with Homo sapiens food and drink must pass over the larynx on the way to the gullet and thus there is a constant risk that some will be inadvertently inhaled. In modern humans, the lowered larynx isn’t in position from birth. It descends sometime between the ages of three and five months-curiously, the precise period when babies are likely to suffer from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome. At all events, the descended larynx explains why you can speak and your dog can’t.
If our brains work along the same lines as digital computers (and some people think they might) it seems the next question should be at what point does conciousness come into existence?. When there is enough memory or speed. And what about pain. Is it really possible for synthetic nervous systems to become as conscious as us??? And are we smart enough to make it.
1:40 Not really. The 1% difference in genome is one thing. But intelligence also comes from everything we live through our lives. If a human is completely isolated from society he will most probably have capabilities of a chimp. Our minds function in a field of concepts that let us achieve such things, change the field and you might not achieve anything. I've learned to use things it comes natural to me, but I can't create them - thats the motto of 99% of humans. And that means one thing, that change of background has a tremendous impact.
I dislike how they think about this. They think it is math, that the difference in intelligence between A and B will have the same consequence as between B and C (with constant increment). But it simply doesn't need to be true, if the hypothetical alien would also use assotiative thinking it'd think like us, if it didn't but still would be able to understand concepts, then what would stand in the way of understanding our concepts?
Neil, dude, people have communicated with animals. Whales have brains comparable to humans with more emotions and more complex languages than us. We've spent about a century trying to understand whale language with little to no luck, but dolphins (not even the most intelligent marine mammal) could pick up two human languages, sentence structure, and syntax within months. It is arguable that we are not the most intelligent species.
"Humatologist" today I learned that Neil DeGrasse Tyson does not know the word "anthropologist" nor that to non-humans "primatologist" would also study humans.
You also have to take into consideration that any species to fly to earth probably had ventured through many solar systems, perhaps seen other species, or even fleeing from a dying star/black hole/lack of resources... that is... if they behave anything like us... so... if the latter is true then they would be running (much like a person from their burning village) and not give a damn about creatures they cross in the process (or even be moving too fast and uncontrollably to detect us if they rushed their existence off the planet)... but all of that means nothing compared to how small, generic, and indistinguishable our existence is in just our galaxy, let alone the universe.
I think it's becoming more and more difficult to be more intelligent the higher you go but there are some aspects that make huge differences since they effect many parts if thinking or they are in a position to be the last required piece of understanding of intelligence that is required to fully understand a new field of reality. The first advantages that I could think of were a general intuitive understanding of maths that goes beyond 1+1=2 a intuitive understanding of quantum mechanics or to go into the general how to think direction a more logic based thinking with less interference of emotions or a more structured society with less needs for such gimmicks as money to make them work towards a future with better technology and a greater understanding of the universe. I also think that they would recognise us as relatively intelligent because we difference to much from the norm not to but I'm not sure if they would be willing to see us as somebody to treat equal I think they might see us less as animals but more as somebody with a very very big mental disability who shows some parts of being intelligent but from there perspective does not or nearly not posses other characteristics of intelligence.
Might be true,if we go back like 700 years,we were using swords and steel armour,today we have satellites in space,we can communicate to each on different places in the within like less than 10 secs,we have invented cars,planes
you can communicate with species less intelligent than a human but it would be a very very simple conversation maybe through signs ..we invented our language by attributing meaning to sounds wich are words
In space, two aliens are talking to each other. The first alien says, “the dominant life forms on the Earth planet have developed satellite based nuclear weapons”. The second alien says, “are they an emerging intelligence?” The first alien says, “I don’t think so, they have them aimed at themselves “
Actually, since they are highly intelligent, they look back at their own history and say, yep, they are.
@@Christobanistan Was about to say something similar.
For many species, their most common competitors are each other, and it's usually increasingly true the more dominant they become. You don't have to be especially violent for this to be the case.
Like, if most people who kill do so against other people, that doesn't have to mean the species is violent or immature. How many people do you interact with on a daily basis? Now, how many hyenas do you interact with on a daily basis? Of COURSE your most likely threat is going to be another person.
We like to talk about how we have things like genocide or total war. But even including the holocaust, both world wars, and all the other wars in the 20th century, the 20th century was still the safest and least violent century for the average person. These large-scale wars only happen because we've gotten better at cooperating at larger scales.
Another way to think about it. If you were to give a chimp access to nuclear codes and a full understanding of what it entails, they aren't going to sit there and contemplate the global effects and the philosophy about what such power means. They wouldn't just push the button, they would straight up hump the button and get off on how much dominance they asserted.
If we were to find another species that was more intelligent than us, it more or less implies they had to compete with similarly-intelligent beings and outsmart them. While that could be another species, it would most likely be their own. So they would probably have outright star system destroyers AND be more pacifist than us. You can't scale up this kind of power if you are also unintelligent and trigger-happy. You would have destroyed your species with bows and arrows long before that.
@@webx135 Yeah, I put that argument on the same level as "but animals don't war!" :D
@@webx135 yeah gonna say ur wrong aliens would have came from different species and planets and most likely would grow different like ants don’t go to war with themselves they might even have evolved to get along extremely well where apes, chimps and such fight with themselves and have evolved around survival of the fittest where on the planet of these said aliens there might be sooo many resources that they never evolve to fight over them
@@Christobanistan yeah gonna say ur wrong aliens would have came from different species and planets and most likely would grow differently so they might never have had wars with themselves like ants don’t go to war with themselves they might even have evolved to get along extremely well where apes, chimps and such fight with themselves and have evolved around survival of the fittest where on the planet of these said aliens there might be sooo many resources that they never evolve to fight over them
Wisdom is knowing how little you know. Tyson explained this brilliantly .
Thankyou my point exactly
Meh
Tyson should take that statement on board
Humans seem to have a blind spot to the intelligence of Nature.
Well said.
We've believed to have dodged nature but the truth is we haven't. Nature has a funny way of running its course no matter what. We breed with people susceptible to cancer, diabetes, mental illness and other sickness over and over. We think medicine is helping but it's weakened us. We are defendant on chemicals with horrible side effects. The weak are meant to die but we keep them alive and they continue to spawn.
Lol, I know I sound like a crazy person but in short, we've stopped the natural selection process. Our evolution has come to an end manually.
I guess you must be an alien then
Don't tell anybody, human.
+Barry Simon what happens if i do? 😏
boy, it's just great listening to those two talk :)
its is isn't it. so used to them both just trying to inform ill informed educator's, that an eloquent discussion can be communicated so civilly and easily.
Transmogrification
+Barry Simon yea that sums it up, thanks the missing word has been located. :)
+Barry Simon see how I magically stroked your ego without you knowing...
+Barry Simon sorry Barry that was uncalled for.
As a child I remember a woman saying we should have that solved, after all we are modern, it is the 1950's. That was so long ago and so much has been learned since.
We rate intelligence on our own learning and as this video shows we could be lesser than we think.
+Harvey Holloway (Healer) have what solved ?
Sorry, back then we were talking about Polio.
"If a group of beings from another planet were to land on Earth - beings who considered themselves as superior to you as you feel yourself to be to other animals - would you concede them the rights over you that you assume over other animals?" - George Bernard Shaw
@Johnfuse The other animals do resist the abuse we give them, but they simply cannot succeed. The same as if we were attacked by aliens superior in strength and knowledge. The question is whether the superior species has the moral right to opress and kill those beneath them? Considering you said you would fight the aliens, your answer seems to be No.
@@jhunt5578 Strength and knowledge would be the only thing differentiating us from this “alien species.” However, consciousness is what separates humans and animal. The simple fact that we can conceive the idea that there may be a species of a much higher intellect out there is explanatory. We are aware.
@@UrFavBrunette_dancer So you think that the lower level of consciousness found in other animals is grounds to deny them rights?
Then what about the humans who have lower levels of consciousness like babies, infants and severely mentally handicapped people, can we deny them rights and treat them as we do other animals?
@@jhunt5578 For the same reason that I’m pro-life, no. Even if they didn’t have a conscience, it’s still immoral to kill them since they will soon become sentient; it’s as bad as murder. In fact, Discarding someone’s right to life *is* murder. However, animals do not have consciousnesses or moral compasses. There is no lower or higher level of consciousness, you’re either human or you’re not. I don’t condone animal abuse in the slightest, but this is factual. The mentally handicapped are only less intelligent.
I may have gotten conscience and consciousness mixed up once or twice, but keep in mind that I’m talking about the latter.
deGrasse's thoughts reminded me of some of my views on the matter:
SUPER INTELLIGENT BEINGS
Imagine yourself, perceiving a plant, say a tree - its incredibly slow metabolic rate and predictable "behavior" i.e growth. Also in some sense the plant is defenseless against your whim, whatever it may be - to cut it down, burn it, or eat (parts of) it. Better still imagine a stone - its practically unchanging crystal structure, and unique combination of minerals shaped by geological processes over billions of years. Again - the stone is a passive, and for all practical purposes (by definition!), a lifeless object. Now imagine, that a super-intelligent being would perceive YOU in a manner analogous to your perception of that tree, or rock.
In the time that you would take one breath, it would seem to such a being that eons have passed during which its leaps and strides of insight would dwarf the totality of our (human) current intellectual achievements.
Honestly I don't believe a being like that could exist. The passage of time being so fast and it's experiences rivaling extreme speeds in terms of perception, thought and etc. It wouldn't be possible biologically speaking. The amount of energy required to sustain it would be extreme.
whoa
+Scah Saint The description I gave doesn't assume that such a being would need to be of a biological basis. I suppose it's something of an intuition pump, to get our imagination going.
+Aristotle Stagirus You know, I have been wondering weather the emergence of sentience hasn't already begun within the world wide web internet network---think of the film Ghost in the Shell. And consequently, we the drones who click, click, download, upload, and communicate online are merely an extension of the subservient stratum upon which that sentience is grounded---just like our thought spans the subservient strata of our nervous system.
Mariusz ,that was deep.
"I dont know if i wanna shake...whatever theyre sticking forward...." i love neil
Its not just DNA that capture's our intelligence.
Yep. It barely gives you the possibility of beeing intelligent. What you do with that possibility is both up to you and the place you live in.
*****
We all understand how it works. It isn't the topic here.
***** We have a high genetic similarity to a chimp. How much % and in what way exactly is irrelevant.
***** Even if it were 1% similarity the argument would still be the same. The argument on this video is that the difference we have to apes could be the difference aliens have to us.
Anyway these comments are about "Its not just DNA that capture's our intelligence.". not the 99%.
Another interesting aspect of the argument I think has to do with what role interactions between individuals has. Humans had roughly the same hardware for many thousands of years before we did anything significant with it. For the vast majority of human existence we were just a hunter gatherer species. But then people started figuring out that they could make plants grow where they wanted them and we had an agricultural revolution. That allowed more humans to work together toward common goals. And consistently throughout history the more you enable humans to work together in larger and larger groups the more they can accomplish. So what happens if we take a species just as intelligent as us but put them in an interstellar society vastly more populous than our own?
ive discussed this with my mom ALLLLL the time and she looks at me like im completely crazy , but to make a long story short i feel like humans are losing touch with reality and getting more trapped in our thoughts and in some ways devolving and losing social skills etc
I agree and often wonder if we're just en route to being lost in our own heads sitting behind screens commenting on stuff lol (kind of like what we're doing now lol)
+bobmoore20 lol yea but assuming we're both not in a social situation right now , that would be ok unless it was in excess , and bad posture is another big problem today but people seem to think thats not important but its part of the conglomerate of importance
Interesting fact, we today do not have the largest brains......
Early modern humans are said to have slightly larger brains then we do today as well as neanderthal, the record goes to the boskop skulls which are found around the southern region of Africa. There has certainly been studies that suggest humans are getting dumber over time, one of the reasons I have heard for this comes down to simple practicality. In the way that modern cultures work being smarter doesn't help you, its probably better to be dumber and for your body to use material in other ways which would mean smaller brains in favor of other attributes. This means that while in third world countries due to a lack of educational system they don't tend to score high on IQ test might actually be home to the smartest people on average today.
Think about what it takes to figure out how to survive in the middle of a desert?
Well the internet is just what it is. Why would humans seek conversations with ppl irl when they can just turn on their computer to talk to all sorts of people. This provides great cover for people that have low social skills etc. I mean on the internet nobody judges you bc of your look.
Is it sad that we are closing our selfs from society? Sure it is
Can we do something about it? Nah, deal with it
i think people need to keep their chin up and face reality ,we use our imagination way too much and i feel as if we dont learn actually as much as we could and as fast as we could
We have no reasonable hope of mutually meaningful communication with a species from another world when we haven't yet figured out how to have mutually meaningful communication with another species from our own world.
Why would a super intelligent being NOT understand a simpler life form's communications? We understand how monkeys communicate. We even understand bacteria's signals within their colonies. We even recently discovered electrical signals used by some fungi colonies to communicate and we're working to understand what those mean.
That is absolutely not true. We have thousands of biologists and other scientists who dedicate their whole lives to understanding these things. We very recently discovered electrical signals used by some fungi species for communication.
We have been extremely interested in this subject for millennia, all the way back to the domestication of dogs at least.
Some of us aren't that intelligent to be honest.
Everyone is intelligent, but not everyone is smart. Difference between intelligence and smart.
+Ryder Washington Even still, not all humans are of equal intelligence.
Kenny Rodger But that's compared to humans, to animals all of us are superior in intelligence.
+Ryder Washington Perhaps but even comparing them to other humans is arbitrary and might turn out to be very low on the scale of potential intelligence compared to unknown beings. But my point was to point out that genetics plays a role in intelligence in humans.
Kenny Rodger So we're in an agreement that humans are the most intelligent species on Earth?
And this is why I had existential crisis
His face during "blithering idiots" LOL
Humans are at a level of intelligence in that we are able to excel in the things we do because we are committed to spending enough time on a particular subject and by storing the information from the very beginning of what we study on any given subject or matter, whether it be by writing it in books, teaching the next generation, then having them pass the information down and so on an so forth for generations and generations to come. The result we achieve is to put it simply a more accurate formula from all those years/attempts of trial and error. The information is constantly flowing and improving. Take for example the Pyramids.
The reason we do not know exactly how the pyramids were built for certain even in this day and age is because somewhere along the lines this information was somehow lost. There is no doubt the construction of the pyramids were not built overnight, in 10 years or even a century but in fact over thousands of years based on the rule I mentioned in my first paragraph.
So you have a discovery/subject whatever it is, with a starting point from 0 to say 3,000 years. Now tell me will this study be more accurate at 0 starting point or after 3,000 years of trial and error? If this information of 3,000 years is lost there is nothing for the next generation to go by therefore it is lost forever and no matter how smart we think we are, we will never be able to figure it out. So instead we resort to saying. "Oh it must have been aliens from another world".
It's not that we are more intelligent now than we were thousands of years ago, the intelligence was always the same it's just that time that has led us to be where we are today. Technology was invented, not out of nowhere but more so one thing led to another over time of trial and error and since we are now raised in this environment, although we are familiar with it if we do not understand something about it and we want to know why and how it works we have the answers through a stream of networks, stored information and knowledgeable human beings on the subject that can relay this information to people who want to learn.
We are so advanced as human beings today because we have an education system in place and with so many subjects any one of us can choose to spend the majority of our adult life committed to and the potential to break new boundaries over time by using the information that is in front of us.
In regards to a higher intelligence, that of relating to us, it would mean that it would not require a lot of time to be able to accomplish some of the things studied by us that took us thousands of years to reach but only in a fraction of that time. Can you imagine the possibilities of such an intelligence?
+GGMuscle TLDR pls?
+Vernie It took me a minute and a half to read it don't be so lazy, he makes some very interesting points "Can you imagine the possibilities of such an intelligence?"
+Vernie The construction of the pyramids seems to be alien to us today but I'm sure that if the people from that time saw the technology we have today it would seem alien to them.
+GGMuscle
A single pyramid does not require thousands of years to construct. You've been drinking the "ancient aliens" koolaid.
+GGMuscle building pyramids is a easy task for humanity by the help of existing technology but we can easily say that back then it was not physically possible for humans to build pyramids they must have needed very sophisticated technology to build it. What was that technology and who gave it to them if the technology was not that advance as we think it would have been then the kind of technology they must have used would have taken hundreds of years to build those prymids.There are thousands of pyramids and majority of them were not used for keeping tombs then whats the purpose of building huge structures without any purpose.There are many deep studies and theories on pyramids and othere things and many of them suggest aliens or something more intelligent then them or even modern humans.
"so there!"
gotta love Neil ScienceMan Tyson
he's great lol
Simple answer:no
Complicated answer: no
@@georgeclarke4686 it's been two years. i dont remember what i meant XD
Yes you're right
It's been 2 years since this comment and 4 years since the original comment. Still don't know what i meant
Dude. Bloodborne is exactly what these guys are talking about. Entities that the human mind can't even perceive or fathom😳😳
Or H.P. Lovecraft works, in which Bloodborne creators took inspiration from when making the lore.
+Victor Diaz oh god..based on your profile pic, you have a psychotically focused insight..
if you try to understand the Great Ones, you'll go insane
Neil's reasoning, while intriguing, is mathematically closed minded ... He's being extremely linear
(Referring to the first statement)
he is really close minded, he believes so hard on what he knows that he thinks he can extrapolate all that knowledge to other areas of science, even he knew he made a dumb proposition when the biologist told him how the DNA code works, he immediatly changed subject.
They're philosophical questions, opposite of closed minded. Closed minded is saying "we're the most intelligent, end of discussion."
They're philosophical questions, opposite of closed minded. Closed minded is saying "we're the most intelligent, end of discussion."
Amy Lorenzo i like Neil but he is really close minded, but that doesn't mean that he is unable accept when he is wrong, in this video for example he inmediatle knew when his aproach on the 5% DNA difference wasn't correct, he didn't say it but you can tell by his body language and that he never brought back the argument since it was descarted by Richard. being close minded and stubborn its another thing, a stubburn person like most people in youtube comments will debate and defend his posture even when he knows he is proven wrong.
Even if they visit, we are like, "NAH!! Not Aliens"
From the description box, I believe we're not the most advanced species on Earth. The universe is too vast to even think we're the most advance species in all the universe.
Meh. I'm impressed with trees. What if they're mitigating nearly all factors for the sustainability of life on earth and we are clueless. They give us food, process chemicals, break down rock, alter gas exchange, order and balance communication with multiple species on earth. They are the mitigating factors or land air and sea. Who to say they aren't factoring the calculations of what it takes to support life on earth, and then they proceed to do so.
btw, 1.5 percent difference can mean the difference between having 9 legs and 5 arms, and being single celled. 1.5 percent is huge on the genetic scale.
I repeat, NDGT doesn't just teach science he preaches it.
I'd go to his church.
We're idiots. We are bathing in our own shit and bragging that we smell like flowers.
An alien visits our planet for the first time. The first place he walks into is a church! He see Jesus nailed to the cross above a table! A priest walks, STUNNED when he sees the Alien, but does not run! The alien see's the priest and asks, "Who is that?" The priest answers,, "That's our God!" The Alien runs out of the church, get back in his space craft and sends a warning to the rest of the galaxy! "STAY AWAY FROM THIS PLANET CALLED EARTH! YOU SHOULD SEE HOW THEY TREAT THEIR GOD! I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT THEY WOULD DO TO THEIR ENEMIES OR EVEN FRIENDS!"
This is undoubtedly going to be one of the best jokes I will have read this year.
It WAS a joke, right? O_o
Jesus isn't God.
DeathCreationist Jesus probably wasn't real so ...
xDark Star117x this comment is dumb on so many levels
Joe DeBoo i said probably ... why tf is it dumb? only one book confirms his existance, no other evidence has been found to make his existance a historical fact
Humans are able to think abstractly. This changes the conversation and the equation.
So do other species. So what?
Real Shaoran name the species and give an example.
www.scientificamerican.com/article/many-animals-can-think-abstractly/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_cognition
it's true that we humans have a greater capability when it comes to abstract thinking, but that doesn't mean we are the only ones. There are many research papers in this area, you can google them as well.
recorded in 1998?
7:00 "yeah, we for sure as hell aren't getting there!" hahah, truth. love NDT!
we have no real frame of reference to determine our intelligence because we have never encountered anything more intelligent than ourselves.
I cannot but disagree with the problem imagined by NDT. First, it is well proven that intelligence and capacity to produce technology are separate categories of concerns. We must acknowledge the enormous effect of the continuous accumulation of knowledge for the capacity to create technology. For two identically gifted species, one would emerge far advanced from the other based only on the fact that it has been able to accumulate knowledge over longer period of time (measured in generations). For us to get here it took 3.5 billion years and phenomenal luck over phenomenal luck (remember the missile crisis in the '60) to evolve. I wonder how many older Earth like environments would be out there? Given the mathematical odds and the timeframe, I am not sure we ever need to worry about much else than loosing our ways and devolving as our famous predecessors did so many times in the past (Egyptians, Hittite, Sumerians, Greco-Romans etc)
True, but only if they were able to survive and to continuously progress. I believe the 2% lead comes as less then a rounding decimal on the total probability of such a species to exist, otherwise the Mayan people (who were aliens to us until Columbus, but have the same IQ as any westerner) would had been technologically aux-pair with the Spaniards at the time of first contact
We might not be the most intelligent species in the universe, but it’s the ability for us to think about this that makes us intelligent
*No, dogs can think too and so can whales.*
Every species can think
@@earlaweesecan they understand what global warming is if we teach them?
Isn't intelligence just another tool for survival?
What if we overrate our type of intelligence just because it is our stronger feature
Kinda like a clam has the foot to move with, and then uses it.
I was just about to comment with a computer software analogy. Then Richard Dawkins :D awesome!
Maybe I misunderstood, but didn't NDGT just blurt out the most incoherent bullshit?
no, he just discovered logic and hes having a hard time with it and dawkins is trying to steer him in the right direction
He does jump from one idea to a different and sometimes completely unrelated idea. He makes valid arguments for every thought, though and in my opinion.
Chad Aoun
theyre half theories with no base. the man is good at remembering crap, hes not a theorist. oh and hes black, which puts a smile on every libcuck when they see his rotund black ass walk across stage (look how far weve come)
No, he actually raised a very significant and insightful question, and received an insightful reply. You simply did not understand either.
i used this three times today
www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientists-find-a-link-between-low-intelligence-and-acceptance-of-pseudo-profound-bulls-a6757731.html
i'd say if something had 1% more than our intelligence/knowledge than they would have found a way to talk or visit us.
Neil is doing some serious soul searching....
Does Tyson have audio books? I am getting my degree in Nurse Practitioner, one which directly writes scripts. Nonetheless also have my degree in Biology and took physics course in undergrad. It would be nice to get a masters in physics as well as practitioning but I don't have time.
I'm sure Mr. deGrasse Tyson is a great physicist and he's definitely a great narrator but he's a lousy host. He keeps interrupting people and constantly laughs at his own jokes.
Yeah he is a pretty bad host haha. He's best solo or as the guest/interviewee. Just too big of a personality
Cuz he's black. That type of attitude doesn't go away. No matter the education. It'll come out once in a while. Try to suppress it, it'll come out eventually
My Herpes Itch Oh shut the fuck up man. That's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. I suppose every in-your-face white comedian ever is secretly black too right?
Tommy Meyer It's a scientific fact i just made up. Check it out for yourself. Its called "The hidden angry black guy in you" by Antwon Willus
@@myherpesitch7763 HAHAHA Wtf is wrong with your name? Fix that nastiness.
I hate when people, especially scientists use that worm analogy. The reason we know worms don't think too much is because someone actually DID care to find out what was going on in their heads. It's called scientific curiosity, which a scientist of all people should understand. Even if humans were literally microscopic organisms it would be stupid of aliens to just gloss over us like we're nothing, especially if life is as uncommon as it seems.
I like you Neil, but even I know that's not how DNA works. :D
Also, you need to factor in the effects of culture. Ever since we acquired the ability to record, store, and retrieve information from physical mediums (books, clay tablets, computers, etc.) and even oral history, instead of having to rely only on our own memories and experiences, every single human being has been adding to this super entity called human culture. Human culture being the culmination of all our recorded thoughts, all our technology, all our experiences, and all of our knowledge.
Individually we might not be that smart compared to some hyper-intelligent alien, but human culture as a whole has been getting progressively smarter and more advanced. And that development is speeding up. We've been speeding away, culturally speaking, from chimps for thousands of years now, while chimps have supposedly just entered their equivalent of the Stone Age. Other intelligent animals do have culture as well, but it doesn't operate on the same level as ours. Not yet.
An alien might not be that interested in humans. But some day it might take some interest in our culture, the thing that connects us together into a cohesive whole. Like bees in a hive. Remember that we humans, even though we think we're so much smarter than a bug, are actually quite intrigued by how bee colonies and ant colonies operate sometimes with some striking instances of apparent awareness.
I think that's probably how an alien might eventually come to see us.
.....develop at the same rate
Exactly. Looking at DNA differences alone is a very oversimplistic way of gauging intelligence.
And look where that intelligence brought us, history seems to keep repeating itself, can't see that being very smart.
Humans in compared to all species we "know" are the most intelligent. In compared to the unknown we can't blindly say that we are intelligent compared to the unknown. That would make no sense.
People definitely need to get off their high horse and learn some humility.
Pride is the deadliest of sins.
I prevents you from becoming a better person because you refuse to believe that you are NOT good enough.
I am good enough but it dosen't mean i'm the best or can't be better.
You can always be better in every way.@@isamekailmahmud9302
Two aliens walk into an Alabama bar.
One alien says: "It's sure humid in this place".
And the other replies:
(cmon! Someone finish it!)
The simple answer is that there is no other life form on this planet that knows what we know or can do what we can do so I would say that we are The Most Intelligent Species without doubt.
+baarni yea only on our planet which is one of an infinite amount, the drake equation states there is around 300 billion likely intelligent species in our own galaxy or have been. life only lasts for a certain time frame. so of course some have been are and will be. i think in comparison to some based on probability obviously we are nothing but to other planets we are as intelligent as a "god"
yann adai The drake equation is just math based on opinion. It is just as likely that earth is the only place in the universe that harbors life. Until we can confirm that there is intelligent life elsewhere the drake equation is just a human contrived assertion to create incentive.
baarni it is based not only on super probable opinion but math of course yes i know this. A mathematician/astrophysicist. very logical person haha you think that out of a universe this size with our atom dna main make up being so commonly found out there, that we are and eventually were the only existing life...LOL fool if you think so...simple
yann adai You don't appear to understand, The drake equation is a claim (like religion) and not a statement and is based on arbitrary assumptions and not based on a single shred of observable or objective evidence and so is nothing more than a curiosity and must be taken with a grain of salt.
I never said that I think we are the only existing life in the universe. I only implied that it is not impossible.
I assume we are not and that life is possibly relatively common throughout the universe but like any good cosmologist I am not foolish enough to rule out that life is unique to earth. After all life has never been detected
anywhere else in the universe.
Actually DNA is not so common, The only place DNA can be found is on earth and is exclusive to living organisms. So far it also has not been detected anywhere else in the universe.
Only a fool would resign themselves to an unjustified belief without any supporting evidence....
baarni lmao like religion? math mathematicians and astrophysicists are not like religion. done reading it there. never said it was fact, but to think life is only here is less intelligent.
An easier way to ask this question is by proposing the idea that we are a big fish in a small pond, and if we take into account all the sentient life in the universe and make a gauss curve or maybe just a scale from 1 to 100, where would the human race at this exact point in time compete against other sentient species, would we even be in the 50 percentile?
There is also the question of what if their intelligence is so different from ours that neither race detects any intelligence in the other?
When and where is this from?
Neil deGrasse Tyson is clearly a weed addict
Probably injected 2 whole marijuanas.
Seriously. Science is a serious matter, and now these people are filling it with mere speculations that don't make much sense.
+Med Amine Rahmani u don't make sense
+Med Amine Rahmani it's theories like evolution and so on, without speculation nothing would get done......
But they talk about mere speculations as if they were facts. I find this to be overthinking
If I remember right, there was an Orangutan (I think...) that they were able to teach some more advanced language and skills / tasks to. I'm a bit fuzzy on the details, but I recall they were actually able to get it to perform complex tasks *and* give answers to questions (sign language). Most of the time though, we are just teaching them repetitive tasks...Aside from that one example, and I'm sure there's more, they don't really understand language. They are just learning by repetition and rewards. If anyone knows the one Orangutan I am thinking of though or more details of that case, please reply!
Short answer:
Yes.
How and why you ask?
Sorry, who came to them?
When did they came to us?
Get rekt lol
Yes. Who did go to other planets? Who has giant spaceships? Who destroyed an alien race? Humans. Lol who came to us? Nobody.
Humans is the most "Emotional" species.
:)
May be ET really is friendly and comes in peace, but we are so fearful and paranoid that we'll call war in anticipation for no good reason at all.
Do you really want to be at war with a superior alien civilization?
Tyson is too quick to disregard humanity and the reaction another intelligent species may have upon discovering our existence. The fact that we still haven't found solid proof of even the most simple life forms outside Earth shows just how extremely rare life most likely is throughout the Universe. Sentient beings probably even more so. Life is most precious and it would be foolish of anyone, no matter how intelligent, to just ignore it.
Or, for that matter, irradicate it. I believe we've been genetically engineered by beings of superior intelligence as workers. Workers being just another name as slaves or tax/debt slaves with the illusion of freedom. Unless it was simply humans doing this to other humans. However, regardless, the financial system was created as a form of control and manipulation of the 'working class' as well as a means of power security for the world 'leaders' and the world's richest.
we have been to only one planet,let alone going outside the solar system, we don't even completely understand our own brain let alone our planet, and you saying life is rare? Dude we don't know and haven't seen jackshit of the universe, to come on a conclusion that life is rare in the universe, this statement my friend is pure arrogance at its lowest
+Grudge I'm not saying humanity is special, one of a kind and we should feel entitled. In fact, we should be humbled. However, we shouldn't disregard ourself in such manner. I'm sure you know of the Fermi paradox and for the moment it proves to be true. As I said, we are part of Life, apparently a very, very precious resource in the galaxy, most likely the Universe itself. Now how is that arrogant?
There is an idea that i very much enjoy. It states that life is actually quite common in the universe, but there comes a critical period during that life-form's evolution where it creates a weapon capable of wiping it out of existence (in humanity's case, nuclear weapons). I enjoy this idea, because it gives me the impression that almost no life-form makes it past that critical step in evolution, meaning that we as humans are doomed. Just a fun thought i wanted to share. Carry on.
@Jake H what?
We are no more "intelligent" than many other animals. What makes us different is our ability to create and understand an extremely complex language.Without our language, we would still be living in the trees.
This is an astute observation. Our main advantage is indeed actually our social cognition that allows us to self organize on a massive, which no other animals have managed.
The universe itself is more intelligent than man ;)
No
Man i could listen to Neil DeGrasse every day. He is amazing.
Neil is always so interesting. He really isn't that bright. He's incredibly linear and very much so closed minded.
ignore this comment guys. it's troll bait
I thought the 99% chimp thing was false, like, a science video I watched on UA-cam said that the 99% figure comes from comparing ONLY the genetic structures between the two species that are similar enough to compare (of which 99% are identical). But there is still a greater difference between chimps and humans than that.
Can someone confirm/deny?
It depends on how you count the difference. But yes, basically it's accurate. Something like or 98.5% similar.
You have a cube with 6 blue sides and a cube with 5 blue sides and 1 red side. What percentage similar are they? 83% since 5 out of 6 sides are identical? 0% since they are actually completely different cubes? Or some more arbitrary number since color is only one factor among many?
Depends what you count.
Tyson comes off as very Boorish in this exchange. That's unusual for him.
How is he rude here?
He's just loud and social.
being loud and serious is not rude
in fact I found him the opposite, he was great with his worm analogy to describe, what place humans may hold in the conscience of higher intelligent species
No it's not
1:33
1.5 % is a huge difference when talking about the genome, considering that the exchange of one single nucleotide can mean the difference between life and death.
Haven't seen the video yet but on earth yes, in the universe, probably not
Itskelvinn thanks for that great take
aliens probably already sent us a simple message, but we still not advance enough to receive it.
We are so intelligent that we kill each other for fun, we destroy our planet because we can, we treat other animals like if they were things, yes, we are that smart!! Now, seriously, are we really smart? yes, we are, but that doesn´t mean we are smarter than other animals, we think we are because we are bias to ourselfs, we like to think that we aware of who we are, that create things, that dominate other species make us smarter, but I think we are just different, not smarter or better than other animals, just different. And we are judges, defenders and anything else to say we are smarter, so are we really smarter? We just think we are but sometimes I believe we are not that smart.
We are the most dominant species on the planet because of our ability to think creatively and innovate. In the short term it benefits us, however with great power comes great responsibility. Which we are not fit to handle due to other parts of our character which are greed, ignorance, and other factors. That combination does not do well long term for humans or any other species. The more basic the life form the longer they seem to last without destroying themselves.
When E. said "The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once', he didn't indicate whether this was a fabrication of the mind or not. It wasn't, but it also says there is an infinite fraction that has no relation with any other fraction, apart from the relative consistency in degradation, represented by halftimes throughout the periodic table, and there biological entities are an exception as well. Would there be any electric current possible where there is no gravitational field present?! Of course not : there would only be antimatter. Wouldn't that current through biological life just be a side effect of our exception to the halftime in radioactive degradation?! There might be a correlation, and yes we're close to finding it, there might not be in the way I now project that, who knows. 'Life is a way for the universe to extend the periodic table as a counterweight to survive anti-matter' would be a bit too presumptuous, but it certainly is gathered by all black holes, and the electric current in my brain tries to introspect the universal observations it makes. Light is our way of communicating. I am not religious, but that's the only thing religion got right, it 'knew' 'light' was of the essence. Awkward though.
Neil is so full of it
Full of shit
This is the most stupidity with the most passionate blend of colorful vocabulary I ever heard.
How is it stupidity?
the worlds so subjective man! i could easily refute every one of this black mans ignorant rants
allow me to do so, the reason we dont ask what the worm is thinking is because its commonplace and its not our focus. we do focus on lesser beings without brains and wonder how it operates and works. we are currently searching for aliens with novel ways of basic thinking hoping we find the even most simplest beings out there. certainly we arent a godsend for intelligence but intelligence is objective, it can be arrived at in various ways but to say a worm is as intelligent as a human (or monkey in this case) is asinine to the concept of objective morality. physics exists, thats not subjective, some things adapt faster, thats not subjective, thats neural fire rate
We human beings are very prone to think of ourselves as intelligent. As to whether or not we really are is subject to question.
Well NDT, that's just depressing... the idea that aliens wouldn't really be interested in communicating with us. It certainly is humbling, because, yes the reason we are hopeful that aliens might communicate is because we believe we're WORTH the effort.
I imagine an intelligence so advanced to the point it sees humans as worms, the species would most likely commit a self extinction due to not having any will for being alive, or it would represent just a machine seperated from all biological functions and needs and just be full of thoughts and knowladge.
It did take us thousands and thousands of years to get to our modern level of technology lol
*Yup... and this level of technology isn’t even extraordinary.*
Genius has its limitations. Ignorance does not.
~ Einstein
please if there is any evidence about woodpecker evulotion ?
Sir, i came from the future and i would say that hawking already dead by now
I don't like his analogy about worms. Yes we're way more intelligent than worms, but do you honestly think very highly intelligent species will ignore us because we are more than eat, move, and sleep creature? No. We do more than that. We make use of our brains and that will distinguish us from worms and other creatures.
What he's saying is to a higher form of intelligence, our ability to do arithmetic would be more or less equivalent to the ability to eat and sleep
What if we rather consider the human species a single ant colony among all ant colonies on the planet, while the alien is considered human? I enjoy myself once in a while when entertaining this thought. If not realistic, it is fantastic, offering perspective.
I think his analogy would make sense if the galaxy was flooded with other intelligent species, think of the Star Wars universe
In a galaxy like that, no one would care about us
But as there probably aren't many other intelligent species in the galaxy, even if they were a lot more advanced than us, I think they'd at least check us out
Think of as if you hadn't seen an animal, you only ever saw humans, then you see a chimp or a dog
Sure, you're more advanced than it by a long shot, but you would at least check it out
Chris Heyburn Exactly. His analogy was like they don't even care about our existence.
Man, Neil would *LOVE* HP Lovecraft's work. It deals with beings so alien and beyond our understanding - so grand in size, intelligence, and technology - that humans can scarcely comprehend them.
+Great Canadian Guy which book in particular? I’m looking for a new book to read and that sounds like exactly what I’m looking for.
I'll preface my recommendations with a disclaimer that Lovecraft was only a passable technical writer and that he put far less emphasis on character development in favor of slow, inferred plot and world exposition. This makes sense with the overarching theme of his works being that humans are ultimately insignificant in the vast, terrifying cosmos. He was also somewhat less racist than others in the 20s, but still pretty racist.
Anywho, the best starting points for his work is probably "The Call of Cthulhu and Other Weird Stories", a collection of his short stories. In that book are several of his more accessible works.
Thanks! And thanks again for the disclaimer. I wasn’t expecting too much character development anyway due to the subject matter of his work that you alluded to in your first post.
cheers
Intelligence has to live in another dimensional space or it would have to be able to see the limitations of our dimension.
We have competition instead of cooperation.
Egoistic instead of being conscious.
Follow routines like animals instead of being creative.
Suffer and survive like animals instead of making life better using problem solving skills.
Those two can make everything sound interesting.
The point of this video is that small genetic differences can trigger what we perceive as big physical differences.
Well it's not about the small genetic differences. That's an obfuscation. It's about the result of the genetype, which is that humans have larger brains. We also have weaker jaws and weaker arms. So it appears that the brain size and opposable thumbs - i.e. physical manifestations of the genetic code - are what truly determine intelligence.
SpeakerWiggin49 There is obfuscation in your mind. Brain size tells pretty much nothing about intelligence, and brain/body ratio also tells not much about it. Elephants and whales have much bigger brains than humans, for example, but you don't see them writing, debating life philosophies or solving maths problems - as they should, because, well, their brains are huge compared to ours .
soupflood : Perhaps a small change in dna could result in certain rational parts of the brain evolving and obtaining new abilities.
The difference between a monkey and an average human is the same as a difference between a genius and an average person.
At least mentally.
Im a bit confused on the argument Dawkins is making, could someone clear it up for me please? is he saying that we might be an order of magnitude smarter than chimps? like the 1.5% DNA difference may not correspond 1-to-1 to the difference in intelligence? (I.e., 1.5% DNA difference may mean 1,00,000% smarter etc)
Dawkins is saying our brains are bigger = bigger capability. Tyson says % difference in DNA = x% difference in intelligence, which is false.
Omg...I can't believe I just barely discovered this channel NOW. Better late than never I suppose.
you sound ignorant, tysons a cringy dumbass
The Mother Tongue … English and How It Got That Way … Author bill bryson.
Although this was an immensely long time ago-some 20,000 years before the domestication of animals and the rise of farming-these Cro-Magnon people were identical to us: They had the same physique, the same brain, same looks. And, unlike all previous hominids who roamed the earth, they could choke on food. That may seem a trifling point, but the slight evolutionary change that pushed man’s larynx deeper into his throat, and thus made choking a possibility, also brought with it the possibility of sophisticated, well-articulated speech.
Other mammals have no contact between their airways and esophagi. They can breathe and swallow at the same time, and there is no possibility of food going down the wrong way. But with Homo sapiens food and drink must pass over the larynx on the way to the gullet and thus there is a constant risk that some will be inadvertently inhaled. In modern humans, the lowered larynx isn’t in position from birth. It descends sometime between the ages of three and five months-curiously, the precise period when babies are likely to suffer from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome. At all events, the descended larynx explains why you can speak and your dog can’t.
If our brains work along the same lines as digital computers (and some people think they might) it seems the next question should be at what point does conciousness come into existence?. When there is enough memory or speed. And what about pain. Is it really possible for synthetic nervous systems to become as conscious as us??? And are we smart enough to make it.
Everyone knows mice are the most intelligent species on Earth
zoranhacker and in solar system for suure
I dont know why dawkins did tell him about alternative splicing.
1:40 Not really. The 1% difference in genome is one thing. But intelligence also comes from everything we live through our lives. If a human is completely isolated from society he will most probably have capabilities of a chimp. Our minds function in a field of concepts that let us achieve such things, change the field and you might not achieve anything. I've learned to use things it comes natural to me, but I can't create them - thats the motto of 99% of humans. And that means one thing, that change of background has a tremendous impact.
I dislike how they think about this. They think it is math, that the difference in intelligence between A and B will have the same consequence as between B and C (with constant increment). But it simply doesn't need to be true, if the hypothetical alien would also use assotiative thinking it'd think like us, if it didn't but still would be able to understand concepts, then what would stand in the way of understanding our concepts?
that audio delay tho
They're the most intelligent species that we know exist, that might change if we discover some highly intelligent aliens.
Neil, dude, people have communicated with animals. Whales have brains comparable to humans with more emotions and more complex languages than us. We've spent about a century trying to understand whale language with little to no luck, but dolphins (not even the most intelligent marine mammal) could pick up two human languages, sentence structure, and syntax within months. It is arguable that we are not the most intelligent species.
"Humatologist" today I learned that Neil DeGrasse Tyson does not know the word "anthropologist" nor that to non-humans "primatologist" would also study humans.
You also have to take into consideration that any species to fly to earth probably had ventured through many solar systems, perhaps seen other species, or even fleeing from a dying star/black hole/lack of resources... that is... if they behave anything like us... so... if the latter is true then they would be running (much like a person from their burning village) and not give a damn about creatures they cross in the process (or even be moving too fast and uncontrollably to detect us if they rushed their existence off the planet)... but all of that means nothing compared to how small, generic, and indistinguishable our existence is in just our galaxy, let alone the universe.
I think it's becoming more and more difficult to be more intelligent the higher you go but there are some aspects that make huge differences since they effect many parts if thinking or they are in a position to be the last required piece of understanding of intelligence that is required to fully understand a new field of reality.
The first advantages that I could think of were a general intuitive understanding of maths that goes beyond 1+1=2 a intuitive understanding of quantum mechanics or to go into the general how to think direction a more logic based thinking with less interference of emotions or a more structured society with less needs for such gimmicks as money to make them work towards a future with better technology and a greater understanding of the universe.
I also think that they would recognise us as relatively intelligent because we difference to much from the norm not to but I'm not sure if they would be willing to see us as somebody to treat equal I think they might see us less as animals but more as somebody with a very very big mental disability who shows some parts of being intelligent but from there perspective does not or nearly not posses other characteristics of intelligence.
He's wrong about having conversations with other species. My dog and I communicate very well.
Only humans can tell the truth that mindless things can't make you.
The way he talks about these higher entities it's like he's describing Gods
Might be true,if we go back like 700 years,we were using swords and steel armour,today we have satellites in space,we can communicate to each on different places in the within like less than 10 secs,we have invented cars,planes
Wow compares hawking to Timmy from South Park
you can communicate with species less intelligent than a human but it would be a very very simple conversation maybe through signs ..we invented our language by attributing meaning to sounds wich are words