Vivaldi is the Best Web Browser -- For Some.
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- Today I talk about Vivaldi and why it's such a good web browser for some people.
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0:00 Intro
2:00 Why Tho?
2:17 It's All About the Tabs, Baby!
7:17 Customize Your UI
8:39 Fixing the Extensions Menu
10:48 Sync
12:20 Web panels? WTF Are Web panels?
14:55 But it is Proprietary!
18:53 Wrapping Up
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Why not Falkon? It's the same licence as Firefox.
I'm a progressive when it comes to software... people should be free to use whatever works best for them.
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I have started using Vivaldi for work after watching this video. I have to say that tab management on a 13 inch MacBook Air screen is so much better than other browsers because I can save so much space and workspaces is a must! Thanks for all the hard work you have put into this!
your browser is so good. top tier
@@Professor762 Thank you!
@@dylangodofwar Thanks Dylan! We appreciate it. ❤
You guys do some unsavory things working with Tencent. I guess if someone wants to have no privacy from anyone you should use windows and vivaldi as a combination. That way the western alphabet guys and the eastern alphabet guys get to see everything you do. Problem is, i trust west over east, use vivaldi if you want to suffer identity theft, social security fraud and other bad things.
I think for my purposes Firefox has improved quite a bit over the past few years. It works better than Google Chrome when doing Google Classrooms actually.
And for anyone who wants a really customizable firefox, there's floorp.
Exists in the AUR and as a flatpak.
Vivaldi is like the KDE Plasma of browsers. You can customize it just about any way you want, and it includes features that you'd need an extension for in other browsers. I've been trying it out myself and I like it so far. I just wish the sync feature was more comprehensive.
Jesus that is so appropriate.
Vivaldi is the only browser alternative for real power users, it´s just that simple. Nothing comes even close. It revolutionized my browsing experience, it literally introduced me to features I never even so much as thought about needing. And now I can´t live without them. And at the very least, with saying 96% is open source, they are acknowledging that that is the way to go, and I think how they reason why those elements are closed source (mainly UI, look it up) is understandable. I get that just trusting them is stupid, I would prefer it to be open source and all, and not making it 100% open source is really pissing some people off. But everyone who is a power user should be using Vivaldi, otherwise you´re wasting potential, some you probably not even know about. And funnily enough, Vivaldi is a part of my switching to Linux. I looked at that browser and would think "I really would love a OS that is as customizeable as this absolute treasure of a piece of software". Now, I´ve been a Linux user for years and found my counterpart to the customizeability that Vivaldi offers in the KDE Plasma DE. And using ANY other browser feels like trying to hammer in a nail with an empty plastic bottle. You can do it, but it feels stupid cumbersome and unnecessarily time consuming if you ever used a hammer. Vivaldi is the hammer.
Yes! Also the main reason I use vivaldi is it's tab management. The sync is the second. I also love that I can hibernate (unload) tabs when memory use gets high, which happens with us tab hoarders 😅
Whats your average tab count, i got like 40 usually
love how this video comes out today of all things, after the whole Thorium situation
What's happening with that?
@user-ty5nq7sp3dta for letting me know. Guess I'll have to rethink using that browser then. 🤔
He had links and images showing babies getting circumcised, and extremely suggestive furry images of cats and/or bunnies.
their repo was on literal fire
Tab management is what did it for me. I'm a tab hoarder, too, and I use both workspaces tab stacks. I also find the inclusion of notes to be helpful -- especially being able to sync notes across devices. And the final thing is the quick commands. That's kind of a game changer. I don't have the mail, calendar, or RSS enabled, but I can understand your point that those could be seen as bloat (since they're included in your download whether you use them or not).
I agree that it's not for everyone, though. If all you need is a screwdriver, you don't need a Swiss army knife.
Fellow tab-hoarder here, I'll have to check out Vivaldi. Thanks for the video about it! As far as using proprietary software, I look at it this way: Use what satisfies your needs. If there is an open-source option that does what you need, then cool, but that isn't always an option. Use what works!
There was a long chat recently with the Vivaldi CEO. I can't remember the channel. The topic of open source did come up. IIRC right now it is shared source, meaning you can look at their code but you can't modify it.
Great Review! I will try Vivaldi just for tab management and sync alone
Workflow management and the native UI customization are what keep me in Vivaldi on the daily. The tiling works great for a workspace for a multiplex of the web preview for my security cameras. I also use the entire browser window with all of the UI turned off as a semi-transparent PIP window for streaming sites with functions like subtitles in the PIP mode, since that functionality doesn't work with most built in PIP modes in modern browsers.
The RSS functionality is simple but okay, but I might use it if the feeds synced like the Notes function does. The web panels are fine, but I never really use them and just set two tabs next to each other if I really need to see two things at once. I don't use the Tasks/Mail functions either, but they are neat. Tasks would be cool if it supported Nested Tasks.
Can you replicate most of this functionality in Firefox or some other open source browser with extensions to some janky extent? Sure. But boy Vivaldi just packages all of that into a neat native package.
Why have an email client and rss reader in your browser? Uniform user interface and experience. The only real argument against it is memory footprint - if you have a lot of emails, it can chew up a lot of memory while browsing.
I will certainly be giving Vivaldi a good trial run. 👍
I noticed your fanfiction folder. 😏
Nobody has the right to judge you about what you do with your life. Pretty obvious to any *sane* person.
I really like the channel and your content, you're a great and very friendly dude - I can only learn from and enjoy.
With that said - I'm on Firefox and it really works well for me so far (apart from that the initial profile corrupted beyond repair, not sure why, so I had to make new profile and lost some bookmarks, as the crash happened within days of the Linux installation, didn't had the chance to backup). Now I backup and it doesn't crash (Murphy's law?)
I can compare Firefox@Linux only to Chrome@Win, as up until recently I was still on Windows with Chrome (mostly for legacy reasons - all of my digital life was on Win - actually I still keep it, but don't use it. But I'm not new to Linux, I use it at work, but new to Desktop Linux for sure).
So, far and apart from the initial profile corruption - everything is great. And the memory footprint of Firefox under Linux is somewhere between 30 and 50% lower, than Chrome on Win.
I would love to also use GNOME Web / Epiphany (WebKit) as a backup/secondary browser, but it is not very usable at the moment - huge memory footprint + instability - does not work well with complex sites, like YT, Google, etc.
I don't use most of the Vivaldi features but I like the sync and it's a lot easier to access downloads and history.
You can right click on the web panels to change them between mobile and desktop versions to suit your needs better.
You can put a downloads icon anywhere in the toolbar. Right click any toolbar icon/edit/customise toolbar. A toolbar editor will appear with open arms.
Nothing wrong with using what works for you. I may be a bit of a purist though. I prefer bsd style licensing, it’s truly open, rather than open so long as you agree with the ‘movement’. I use open source software, I contribute code and docs under many licenses, but guess what, I play video games, not open source, on 3d game engines, that aren’t open source. There are simply some projects that will never be open source because the monetization doesn’t exist to write a multimillion dollar software project and give it away for free. Use what you need to use, be as open as you can, contribute to open when you can, but never stub your own toe on a religion
I do believe there is a balance between open source and proprietary in terms of quality. If the quality of a proprietary program had declined -ahem microsoft - then a community version is an appropriate response. Though proprietary is good when someone or a group wants to take responsibility for it themselves.
You can set panels to show the desktop version instead of the mobile version. Right click the panel icon to access that setting. Some panels make more sense floating and with different widths, also available on right click of the panel icon.
I l.o.v.e. having mail and calendar in my browser. I'd have Thunderbird open all the time anyway and it has gecko integrated to display HTML mails. Anytime I click a link in an email it opens the browser anyway. For me it makes total sense to have all of that in one UI.
Download: you can change to a download button instead of the panel in settings.
check out the quick commands, you'll love them. You can also set up command chains to automate certain actions you do over and over. and the window panel, same with sessions. All this helps to keep your tab hoarding under control
I love workspaces! Ever since I was on Opera and they had workspaces, I was hooked like a fish shell!
Have you tried the Sidebery extension for Firefox? I guess it might not be as complete as what you have on Vivaldi.
I have Vivaldi installed on two machines and it works well until I go to market place on FB and start going through the ads it slows to a crawl to the point I have trouble exiting from FB. I have other browsers on both machines and they work fine. I have plenty of memory capacity on both machines. Would there be any settings I need to look at?
I absolutely love Vivaldi, and I don’t see myself switching untill google truly thows chromeium deep in to the garbage. The CSS and JS moding +customization are really what makes it home for me.
How can i Pin an Extension?
I can't see any Option for this. I want the Menu like in 09:39
I was interested to hear your take on workspaces in Vivaldi. Since switching to Linux (Fedora 39 Gnome) I have been using Brave across different workspaces/desktops to delineate the different parts of my workforce and context.
I switched to Linux and embraced foss almost some 4 years ago. If the browser that you prefer is not open sourced, it's not the end of the world but it would bug me too. I am using Firefox mobile and desktop. But from time to time i want to check chromium. As i understand it's open sourced but to find whether it has telemetry, it's much more difficult. I suppose it does..
Ungoogled chromium is the answer, is far less convenient as you have so sideload your extensions, but it's pretty usable for pages that simply refuse to work on anything that is not chrome.
What are your thoughts on the new session management features and workspace rules? I'm not sure I need to manage my sessions more than the default but the rules are pretty interesting to make sure the right sites open up in the correct workspaces.
I love the rules. Already I have them set up for several domains.
The sessions, I thought when I first heard about them that they'd help compete with Firefox's containers, but they really don't work that way, sadly. They'll be nice for backup if you close a tab and can't get it back, but not as powerful as Firefox's containers.
I've installed Vivaldi but just couldn't get used to it, but the workspaces feature is so relatable to. If the Tab Session Manager extension for Firefox disappeared I would probably switch to literally anything else.
the sync code is not coming to my email
Enjoyed the video and agree that Vivaldi’s the best. The only thing it’s missing is being able to sync workspaces across computers.
What is this window manager that you are using
lol. It’s gnome
Vivaldi is Amazing, one the best UI of Browsers.
People who cry over FOSS don't have their priorities straight. They're focused on tools rather than what they get done with the tools. That's bass-ackwards. Yes, FOSS is great, but some of the FOSS software just sucks compared to proprietary which has had much deeper-wider development $$$ thrown at it.
I do use tabs in the same way you do, but the one feature Vivaldi has that brought me from Firefox is casting UA-cam. I haven't seen a decent casting method for Firefox in a couple years now, and nobody else might get that casting is that important, but for me it is. Left-tabs is my setup, and I also always set up a keyboard shortcut to hide the tabs in Settings when I install.
Over the years I've had Firefox double sync stuff so that I had two complete groups of the same bookmarks on the bookmarks bar. Not very intelligent.
Have been using Vivaldi since 0.9, no other browser can replace it.
The web panel might get me to try this out.
I also like their theming support.
Lol I love Vivaldis tab management too, but you need to find a webpage capturing tool that works for you
Does Vivaldi has something akin to Firefox Containers? That's the only thing that keeps me from switching from Firefox to something else :P
The sync is actually one of my biggest *problems* as a Vivaldi user for the past 2-3 years. It really doesn't do nearly enough.
The whole reason I chose it is the customization of all the menus and the sidebar.
Neither of those two are supported for sync.
I have customized the context menus a lot. A lot a lot. But unfortunately, none of those changes apply to any other device I own.
This _did_ end up working after I made a fresh install of Vivaldi (just to be safe) and literally copypasted the Vivaldi profile folder from my Windows install, where I had all the customization.
But it did not work for webpanels for whatever reason. I have to set them up everywhere manually. And there's a ton of custom stuff I'm doing with separate widths, periodic reloads, floating panels
And _puzzlingly,_ Sessions. I'd think that that is the #1 most important feature to sync, but it just doesn't work. Especially since it's a brand new feature.
You got me to take another look at Vivaldi. If I am going to keep using it I should probably put it on my phone.
Sadly the mobile version isn't quite as good. Especially on iOS.
@@TheLinuxCast I wouldn't be caught dead using an Iphone, unless I got a job that supplied it.
@@TheLinuxCast They've only just produced an iOS version, I'm guessing because the restrictions didn't suit them. In the EU it might change now that Apple has loosened its WebKit dependency.
I've gone tabless and love it. All sites now get their own window. I hate tabs. Use to have tons of tabs open.
Tab stacks and workspaces are exactly why I use it. I AM A TAB HOARDER!!!!
Okay Vivaldi, if you really are 95% free and open source then it shouldn't be difficult at all for you to shed 5% captivity and gain the bragging rights of being 100% free and open source! Thanks Matt! I think what sets the good content creators separate are those that recognize that there is very rarely a "one-size fits all" product and I like that you say that this is the best for some and not "the best, bar none". Your best friend might like to stay organized differently with no tabs. Living in a free capitalist society means you are free to choose whatever consumer products that you damn well please and I do not get the ability to force you from how to live your life. Live free, brother!!!
I use Chrome proper because Chromium is missing certain features and say what you will about privacy but I love sync.
Let's hope that 5% isn't spyware?
...Just kidding trust me bro it's only the UI.
IIRC, in a recent interview the CEO said the 5% is inspectable, just not OSS.
I can't believe Firefox still doesn't have tabs grouping same way as chromium browsers do. I'm sure this feature has been requested lots of times.
yeah If only Firefox had it I would switch right away, vivaldi is my number 1 even if its chromiun base and firefox my second chooise but I would change in a blink if firefox had those features .
I mean, you can have an extensions that do that in Firefox, not AS well as Vivaldi, but is pretty serviceable if you are not a monstrous tab hoarder.
its not the same and i am monstrous tab hoarder.i have 74 tabs on vivaldi right now@@Antonio-Sandoval
I am a tab demon lol
IMO its a great browser, has sync, seems ok privacy wise, could be a complete replacement for chrome
There are too many features sure but only competition was firefox with glitchy extensions for tab management
I feel like its bad to be mad at them for not being 100% open source, i wish more software was at least a bit open source it would be a better world
Thanks a lot
Oh no, you really made this vid before the sessions update, huh? Such a shame, it seems like the new Vivaldi flagship feature. Especially if you're a huge fan of workspaces
I know. I updated right after I uploaded.
I have an app that requires Chrome or Chromium, but my daily driver is Firefox. Tried Vivaldi, just not for me even though it's good.
Email client and RSS reader are awesome. Dont tell them to take aware features just because you dont like them.
Slimjet is also a nice choice.
It's not the best for me. Firefox and I are inseparable.
I use Linx and FOSS probably a little younger than your own age :D however, I use proprietary software myself. actually the most famous of them all: M$ Windows!
Why? yes. still that simple tiny teeny weeny feature: zoom following typing in magnifier! and also yes. this feature still unsupported on anything Linux. Gnome, Cinnamon. G.Chrome and M.Firefox just blaming each other totally ignoring this feature also wasn't supported on Window$ a little more than a year ago.
Therefore, and as long as I remained working as translator who is in a constant need of using G.Docs. I'll have to remain on windows.
Can't justify using a blink based browser, the browser market needs options that are away from google.
proprietary software, that functions, restricts privacy intrusions, has features foss hasn't yet succeeded at, relatively easy to use, decently priced without onerous licences and random support ends, lifetime licenses that are actually lifetime licenses... yada yada, why not? soon as a decent foss option is out, grabbit.
You use what works for you.
People who would unsub because of open source zealousy are hypocrites. Considering they are prolly watching on YT and going to websites hosted on and using propriatary software to run.
Dont worry about it. You cant fix stupid.
The amount of shit I've taken for having too many tabs 😂 I think I have like 1700 bookmarks too
vivaldi is unfortunately the most buggy browser I have ever used, losing all my tabs in 5 distinct ways in 3 months is unacceptable. its unfortunately wrothless for people who have jobs and need their browser not to shit itself.
Tab hoarding is a neurosis.
rms would disagree 💀
gaming on linux is no different than using a proprietary browser, almost zero games are foss anyways. I'm not a fan of chromium browsers since they boost Google's monopoly but it is what it is. Use what works for you.
As a cringe wiki admin, I have thousands of tabs open.
Firefox does it with ease and any chromium browser crashes upon opening 50 of them.
Even brave and its setting to de-load sleeping tabs, or whatever it's called. Either way, it was useless.
Firefox based browsers rules.
Vivaldi is the only browser I know of that lets me set the new tab page without a plugin. It's annoying that a simple setting has to be implemented through a separate plugin.
How dare you Matt? How dare you use proprietary software!!!!!! 😠 lol Just kidding. Yea, we gotta use what works for us. I use Firefox for main use and vivaldi when I need to get some work done.
Very long vid telling his story and promoting vivaldi for one feature in a 20 min!!.. Don't waste your time friend!!
Multifunctional browsers work great for me. Yandex. Vivaldi. Hate minimalist browsers. A browser without a screenshot function is a gun without a trigger.
"who cares if you are 95% opensource if you still have that 5% proprietary nonsense. You are still proprietary"
You believe that the Linux kernel is proprietary?
@TheLinuxCast is new version of vivaldi 6.5 with new full sync :)
And sessions. I know. I only found out after I uploaded. lol
however good it is, i just don't want to use a proprietary browser when i can use a fully foss one. and i would encourage others to not switch to it either