…but it still doesn’t give you the economy of this… in fact, if you’re paradiddles are fast, smooth, and relaxed… you have to be doing this. This just reverse engineers that and breaks it down slowly.
This is dumb, the positions are going to change depending on how you phrase it, which means he is teaching paradiddles as a strict phrase, when really a paradiddle is one paradiddle and it's a way to switch the strong beats on to your left hand or from your left hand back to your right.
If we are talking about a traditional rudimental Paradiddle… this is the only way. But yes, there are many variations and if you change the accent then the accent positions will change as well… However, when it comes to teaching a paradiddle to a new student… you are gonna teach them this, first… because it is a standard paradiddle as you see written in any rudiment book and as written by the PAS.
Every new concept needs a baseline or starting point. You wouldn't begin teaching someone sixteenth notes by immediately throwing syncopated shit at them. You'd probably start with full 16ths and then add some accents or rests etc. Similarly, you would probably start teaching paradiddles with the most basic form of the traditional paradiddle before moving into accent variations and inversions.
The term “old habits” comes to mind. I think in terms of the accent when I plan paradiddles and it seems I don’t think at all when playing them. When I’m thinking hand position paradiddles are suddenly troublesome again haha. I’ll try this with one of my students to see how he takes to it.
I learned not to make any accent in paradiddle. All strokes equals. Then you can start to create accent patterns in. It's easy to get the bad habit to accent each first stroke of four. The method in this video will probably encourage this unfortunately.
Playing the accent is NOT a bad habit. That is literally a Paradiddle. A paradiddle by it's nature has the accent on the first note. Any rudiment book will show you that from N.A.R.D. to The Rudimental Cookbook to the P.A.S. The accent is part of the rudiment. To NOT play accent is still a paradiddle, but one of many variations and requires it's own setup. you see this in books like STICK CONTROL. Same with displacing the accents or doing inversions of the paradiddle. But a standard paradiddle in 1st position ALWAYS has the accents.
@@Thedrummersalmanac i never said you should never play paradiddle without accents, I said that you should learn to play paradiddle without accent too. Playing paradiddle (or any other drum rudiments) evenly is part of the process of learning. It will help any percussionist to change easily hands in certain case, for example. The accents should not be there to find your way in a pattern, it can help but I saw to may students getting into the bad habit of relying to the same accents to play.
@@NicleT It’s never been my experience to see a student relying on accents… in fact, most students struggle to add the accents because they are not properly set up. Understanding the accent setup not only teaches them the Sticking but it also conditions the economy… & sure, paradiddle variations/inversions are a great further study… and each Accent and Sticking variation comes with its own Setup… and can be approached the exact, same way. Bottom line, I would never teach a beginner student a paradiddle without the accent, first. That’s for later, once they have it.
I think if i was a beginner (or just smarter) his would make sense, but ive found that the best way to get my paradiddles up to speed is good old fashioned practice
True, but “good old fashion practice” is a General term… this method, which is as old as the paradiddle itself, is a specific, focused, and affective “way to practice” it.
Are those the Vic Firth Steve Gadd signature sticks???? I just bought pair of those myself and I absolutely love them!!!! The round tip is has imo best sounding feeling rebound for playing on ride cymbal, buzz rolls and Levon Helm drags
@@Thedrummersalmanac I’m from Rochester,NY also where Steve Gadd is from. Seen him at the local ROC Jazzfest several times. Always brilliant performance.
Nope… an upstroke is absolutely a strike.. not a rest. there is no resting here. You should watch the long version of this video for context… I think I put it in the description… and if I didn’t I will.
No… my 2nd stroke is a upstroke as I demonstrated… I’m just doing it in the formal or “marching style” which requires a pull as you tap vs the informal or “Moeller” style where the up is built into the motion. It’s important to know and practice the difference.
@@ThedrummersalmanacYou misunderstood me. Each second TAP (!) you play - the fourth and the eight stroke of the whole RLrrLRll series - is NOT a tap, but an UPSTROKE-Tap. If you teach the second Tap to be played without an upward motion, you do not provide the student with important detail. If you DO tewch it as Downstroke, Upstroke, Tap, Upstroke-Tap, it becomes complicated again. My whole point is that you did not demonstrate the upward wrist motion ehich is required of every second tap.
@danielschroder6678 that's where the visual aid and intuition come in. Some things are learned better by demonstration and don't necessarily need a verbal explanation. It's like if you were trying to teach a four year old drums and basic counting, you wouldnt start with subdividing sixteenthnotes and teaching every sixteenth partial. Maybe you can teach them some phrases that incorporate sixteenths, but by overexplaning you will bore the kid
@@danielschroder6678 again… maybe I’m not understanding your point… but if you are talking about DUT(T) …and that last position somehow coming up?… that is wrong… the last stroke is a tap… it stays down and is in NO WAY coming up until the “upstroke” on the 2nd note. To do an extra up motion would waist energy and short circuit the accent setup. With formal upstrokes there is no inbetween or ambiguity. That’s why is so great for a student to learn. Doing this in the informal is the same concept but the up is built into the Moeller stroke… maybe that’s what you’re talking about? But even in that context… the last note is not an up…
@@Thedrummersalmanac OMFG, you're right on 100% of the account. My brain thought about RLrr... insteal of Rlrr (despite me well knowing that Paradiddles only have that one accent per group of 4). Stupid mistake. My sincerr apologies. I was wrong, and being stubborn about it even. *sigh*.
This is not a new concept, nor is it something I created. It’s just one that I studied… and in that study I realized this was a better way to look at paradiddles and frankly any rudiment.
@@Thedrummersalmanac Seems legit but for someone who's long since been doing it the old way, anything new will seem a stretch. Not that it isn't effective for new student, but for those with more years behind than ahead...if it ain't broke. Not to be misconstrued as a knock as it certainly isn't. I'm just too old and crotchety for change. LoL
@@BaconIsNotBiceps you’re never too old to study this stuff… I didn’t get deep into these accent positions until after I graduated music school. I was already a pro teacher & my habits were pretty set… But really diving into Accents changed my approach and my touch. Like anything, you just have to decide to do it, then nurture the habit of working on it each day. I have a course in the app dedicated to these specific exercises. If You’re ever interested, reach out.
You have to understand the accent positions… if haven’t studied those then you won’t just be able to do this… basically, study your accent positions first.
Paradiddles will always be "dutt-dutts" to me now.
This is even more confusing to me. Best way I learned was a single LR or RL and then a double of the starting hand.
…but it still doesn’t give you the economy of this… in fact, if you’re paradiddles are fast, smooth, and relaxed… you have to be doing this. This just reverse engineers that and breaks it down slowly.
Thanks it helped me speed up Paradiddle 👍👍 i was wondering why my paradiddles were slow
That would fuck me up as a kid
No it wouldn’t of… I guarantee it… kids do great with this, especially if you help them really separate those positions.
They said it would have fucked them up as a kid.. Not all kids.. @@Thedrummersalmanac
@@Tryant69 and I say again… if, as a kid, this person was studying with me… I guarantee it would not have fucked him up. 👍🏻
Having confidence is good and all but this is crazy xD People just have different ways of learning. There is no 1 way for all. @@Thedrummersalmanac
@@Tryant69 that is a true statement… but still doesn’t change what I said. 🤷🏻
This is gold 🏆
Jay, you probably get this a lot. But you’re an excellent teacher!
Thank you 🙏 ❤
just give it a little tap, a little tap tap a roo. it's bags are packed, now send it home happy.
i love you bro but that shit is insane lmaooo 😂
Then you need to go deeper… take the full lesson that this one comes from. The link is in the description
I like that better. Thank you.
This is dumb, the positions are going to change depending on how you phrase it, which means he is teaching paradiddles as a strict phrase, when really a paradiddle is one paradiddle and it's a way to switch the strong beats on to your left hand or from your left hand back to your right.
If we are talking about a traditional rudimental Paradiddle… this is the only way. But yes, there are many variations and if you change the accent then the accent positions will change as well… However, when it comes to teaching a paradiddle to a new student… you are gonna teach them this, first… because it is a standard paradiddle as you see written in any rudiment book and as written by the PAS.
Every new concept needs a baseline or starting point. You wouldn't begin teaching someone sixteenth notes by immediately throwing syncopated shit at them. You'd probably start with full 16ths and then add some accents or rests etc. Similarly, you would probably start teaching paradiddles with the most basic form of the traditional paradiddle before moving into accent variations and inversions.
Nice, I'm stealing that one for sure
Nice little rudiment hack 👌
The term “old habits” comes to mind. I think in terms of the accent when I plan paradiddles and it seems I don’t think at all when playing them. When I’m thinking hand position paradiddles are suddenly troublesome again haha. I’ll try this with one of my students to see how he takes to it.
I learned not to make any accent in paradiddle. All strokes equals. Then you can start to create accent patterns in. It's easy to get the bad habit to accent each first stroke of four. The method in this video will probably encourage this unfortunately.
Playing the accent is NOT a bad habit. That is literally a Paradiddle. A paradiddle by it's nature has the accent on the first note. Any rudiment book will show you that from N.A.R.D. to The Rudimental Cookbook to the P.A.S. The accent is part of the rudiment. To NOT play accent is still a paradiddle, but one of many variations and requires it's own setup. you see this in books like STICK CONTROL. Same with displacing the accents or doing inversions of the paradiddle. But a standard paradiddle in 1st position ALWAYS has the accents.
@@Thedrummersalmanac i never said you should never play paradiddle without accents, I said that you should learn to play paradiddle without accent too. Playing paradiddle (or any other drum rudiments) evenly is part of the process of learning. It will help any percussionist to change easily hands in certain case, for example. The accents should not be there to find your way in a pattern, it can help but I saw to may students getting into the bad habit of relying to the same accents to play.
@@NicleT It’s never been my experience to see a student relying on accents… in fact, most students struggle to add the accents because they are not properly set up. Understanding the accent setup not only teaches them the Sticking but it also conditions the economy… & sure, paradiddle variations/inversions are a great further study… and each Accent and Sticking variation comes with its own Setup… and can be approached the exact, same way. Bottom line, I would never teach a beginner student a paradiddle without the accent, first. That’s for later, once they have it.
I think if i was a beginner (or just smarter) his would make sense, but ive found that the best way to get my paradiddles up to speed is good old fashioned practice
True, but “good old fashion practice” is a General term… this method, which is as old as the paradiddle itself, is a specific, focused, and affective “way to practice” it.
What about bottom up tap tap
B U T T B U T T 💀
That’s how I was taught to do paradiddles by Johnny Lee Lane!
This seems like it would confuse a new drummer almost as much as your apple a drum beat thing
And again... you'd be wrong... 😁
Dutts? More like butts lol 😂
What would the B stand for? 🤔
(@@Thedrummersalmanac) good question 🤔🤔
I bet he does new math too.
What’s new math? 🤔
How do you set up other permutations
What About Paradiddle Permutations on #drums ?
Brilliant teach method. How do you teach odd time signatures?
I have a whole long form video on odd time signatures.
@@Thedrummersalmanac can you please send a link?
@@drewsibleyloans ua-cam.com/video/r4sUzI83mEA/v-deo.htmlsi=6YCOwAT24P7AFvql
Are those the Vic Firth Steve Gadd signature sticks???? I just bought pair of those myself and I absolutely love them!!!! The round tip is has imo best sounding feeling rebound for playing on ride cymbal, buzz rolls and Levon Helm drags
This was actually an old video that I took a portion of for a short… so I don’t remember, but they probably were.
@@Thedrummersalmanac I’m from Rochester,NY also where Steve Gadd is from. Seen him at the local ROC Jazzfest several times. Always brilliant performance.
U telling me I got rlrr tattood for no reason 😂
Not at all… the sticking is still valid. Just not the only way to think of it. 😂
I'm confused cause isn't that a different rhythm? Isn't it now par-diddle because the second beat (up) is now a rest instead of a strike?
Nope… an upstroke is absolutely a strike.. not a rest. there is no resting here. You should watch the long version of this video for context… I think I put it in the description… and if I didn’t I will.
ua-cam.com/video/zfg6tRiP5ww/v-deo.htmlsi=hrIaAnZGvh-6KqfP
I love flamadiddles
Wow... I like that way better
I guess there's a second part to this video 🤔
There an entire long UA-cam video… this is just a 1-minute snippet
ua-cam.com/video/zfg6tRiP5ww/v-deo.htmlsi=2J6OuxQcZ0yRJufP
Your second tap is an upstroke-tap. I think your method is more complicated if you would do it right.
No… my 2nd stroke is a upstroke as I demonstrated… I’m just doing it in the formal or “marching style” which requires a pull as you tap vs the informal or “Moeller” style where the up is built into the motion. It’s important to know and practice the difference.
@@ThedrummersalmanacYou misunderstood me.
Each second TAP (!) you play - the fourth and the eight stroke of the whole RLrrLRll series - is NOT a tap, but an UPSTROKE-Tap.
If you teach the second Tap to be played without an upward motion, you do not provide the student with important detail. If you DO tewch it as Downstroke, Upstroke, Tap, Upstroke-Tap, it becomes complicated again.
My whole point is that you did not demonstrate the upward wrist motion ehich is required of every second tap.
@danielschroder6678 that's where the visual aid and intuition come in. Some things are learned better by demonstration and don't necessarily need a verbal explanation. It's like if you were trying to teach a four year old drums and basic counting, you wouldnt start with subdividing sixteenthnotes and teaching every sixteenth partial. Maybe you can teach them some phrases that incorporate sixteenths, but by overexplaning you will bore the kid
@@danielschroder6678 again… maybe I’m not understanding your point… but if you are talking about DUT(T) …and that last position somehow coming up?… that is wrong… the last stroke is a tap… it stays down and is in NO WAY coming up until the “upstroke” on the 2nd note. To do an extra up motion would waist energy and short circuit the accent setup. With formal upstrokes there is no inbetween or ambiguity. That’s why is so great for a student to learn. Doing this in the informal is the same concept but the up is built into the Moeller stroke… maybe that’s what you’re talking about? But even in that context… the last note is not an up…
@@Thedrummersalmanac OMFG, you're right on 100% of the account.
My brain thought about RLrr... insteal of Rlrr (despite me well knowing that Paradiddles only have that one accent per group of 4). Stupid mistake.
My sincerr apologies. I was wrong, and being stubborn about it even. *sigh*.
mama dada's for me...
Great for open rolls.
Good drummer but, IMO, if it ain't broke...
This is not a new concept, nor is it something I created. It’s just one that I studied… and in that study I realized this was a better way to look at paradiddles and frankly any rudiment.
Take a look at the original lesson, that I took this excerpt from, for more context:
ua-cam.com/video/zfg6tRiP5ww/v-deo.htmlsi=vpt8bz3op4sW2gQE
@@Thedrummersalmanac Seems legit but for someone who's long since been doing it the old way, anything new will seem a stretch. Not that it isn't effective for new student, but for those with more years behind than ahead...if it ain't broke. Not to be misconstrued as a knock as it certainly isn't. I'm just too old and crotchety for change. LoL
@@BaconIsNotBiceps you’re never too old to study this stuff… I didn’t get deep into these accent positions until after I graduated music school. I was already a pro teacher & my habits were pretty set… But really diving into Accents changed my approach and my touch. Like anything, you just have to decide to do it, then nurture the habit of working on it each day. I have a course in the app dedicated to these specific exercises. If You’re ever interested, reach out.
Don't understand this at all 😕
You have to understand the accent positions… if haven’t studied those then you won’t just be able to do this… basically, study your accent positions first.
Seems overthought.
Not at all… under thinking it leads to sloppy, tense paradiddles.
You should check out the full lesson for more context to see what I mean: ua-cam.com/video/zfg6tRiP5ww/v-deo.htmlsi=x0Afb4vvkEwRejHr
@@Thedrummersalmanac sure dude
So you making it harder on purpose by adding an extra letter this is just stupid
It’s simply a method that you haven’t studied yet… if you do decide to study it, then you’ll see the value in it.