Did we find the SECRET to a 300 mile range? - Ford E-Transit EV work van
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2022
- We wanted to see how each drive mode effected the range on the E-Transit. So we set up a 12.2 mile course and we started driving. We tested Normal Mode, Eco Mode, Slippery Mode, and Eco Model with L-Mode activated. Then we came up with our own driving mode and altered the conditions to what we thought would produce the best range. Boy were we surprised to learn just how much range you can get with this van. Come along with us in our battery powered service van as we learn which mode offers the best range.
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Interesting hyper mileage testing. Some people are griping about range on ev’s, but they’re out there drag racing from every light and running at 70 to 80 miles an hour. Easy acceleration and even 60 mph would make such a difference for this.
No. EV range just sucks
All depends on how you intend to use the van.
@@ans05 I've driven an eTransit and it's also a fact that superior EV torque / acceleration and optimal range are in conflict with one another and it's always tempting to just PUNCH IT.
Lets do 20 degrees with snow and windshield wipers on. So you keep it in the heated shop so you start out warm but by the time your finished with the first service call that is gone. Then you try to box in the front cab so you dont have to heat the whole truck and then you get to work with 20 degree tools all day including your lithium based tools that have to warm up before they work again. These things are pretty much useless in colder climates.
@@anthonyspadafora1384 as soon as we get 20° days we'll be doing exactly that. All our other trucks are set up the same way and don't heat the cargo portion. Most plumbing vans don't heat the cargo area. So dealing with cold tools and materials is common in the winter regardless of being a gas or electric van.
But we are looking forward to a range comparison test once we see temps in the 20's all day here.
This is really a cute video to watch and amazing you came upon this discovery!
Thank you so much!
What a great video, very good insightful and fun to watch 🤙
Thanks!
Really interesting data. You more than earned my like just sitting through that hot circuit. We appreciate the dedication!
Thank you!
That's some hardcore testing. I just got a 2023 and have much more to learn. Thank you!!!🤟
You're gonna love it!
Very informative E-van videos 👍
Thanks!
That's an interesting test.
I was going to order this week...
I need more time to think...
Ford claims about 100 miles and we are seeing 140+ on a regular basis.
Super video! Thank you for making! Your analysis of eTransit efficiency range of 2-4 miles/kWh is a similar range for my Tesla Model S at 2-5miles/kWh. All the same key factors like A/C & Speed! Seems like Ford did a great job with 1st gen e-Transit! I'm sure 2nd gen will be even better!
We agree!
Good point..so assuming both a Tesla car and a Ford ev van use the same efficiency range...why is the range so low??
@@holyscience3763 there is a significant difference between 2 miles per kWh and 4 miles per kWh. Ultimately if comes down to wind resistance at speed. The faster you go, the lower the efficiency.
Thanks for the video! I'm in the middle of spec'ing out a high roof extended length right now. I have a Nissan Leaf as my personal vehicle and I'm familiar with the benefits of EV's. 90% of my driving for my business is in-town, stop-and-go driving. If found with my Leaf that I get FAR greater range in that kind of driving environment that I do setting on the highway driving one speed. I am a little worried about the winter time range reduction, but because I'm a pool guy in Kansas, I don't do nearly as much driving doing spa repairs in the winter, so I'm hopeful it won't be an issue for me. Anyway, thanks again for the content and keep it coming!
Thanks!
just bought a high roof model myself. been watching your content for a month now. I'll have some content up soon on my other channel , hopefully it will do well in cold climates. im in cleveland ohio and it snows 6 months out of the year.
Looking for cold weather data as well.
Hey I'm thinking of buying the same model you have the high roof extended van. What's your average range with that van. Doesn't seem like 120 miles is enough. Ford should have 200+ miles of range for work van.
Hey how’s it going man?
Fun test!
Can you remind me what van configuration this is?
High roof, low roof, long WB etc?
What kind of difference do you figure this makes?
Thanks!
Hours is a 148-in wheelbase High roof. The length of the unit doesn't matter nearly as much as the height of the roof. More wind resistance equals reduced range.
Your "Slippery" mode appears to be the same as "ECO" mode on my Nissan Leaf. It adds hysteresis to the accelerator pedal making the accelerator feel a bit more sluggish and the vehicle slightly less responsive. Since electric motors are less efficient when they're just beginning to turn adding this small bit of hesitancy to the accelerator serves to help conserve a little energy on every take off. This mode likely makes the regen a bit more aggressive as well. Under a scenario with a lot of stop and starting (inner city driving, stop-n-go traffic, etc...), that small amount of energy saved with each acceleration begins to add up. This is especially true if speeds rarely exceed typical inner city speeds.
Agreed
We have a gas transit. The temp in the cab is a constant challenge. It’s hot all the time. We live in area that has hot summers with 100 plus days.
Do you have a bulkhead in the van? If so, is it perforated?
I been thinking for the near future for a Etransit but whats the saving?? So 20 klw totalling about $3.20 do about 40 miles thats what cost here in florida for a gallon of gas , so it means if im running a business in a hybrid i may be able to save money instead of going full electric , maybe toyota sienna mini van will do for a lot of people.
Thank you so so much for your videos and doing it loaded for real answers.
Here's a video we did that answers your question.
ua-cam.com/video/Xs2o5lZbezs/v-deo.html
Average 20 mph is reasonably for a crowded stop and go city drive where the speed limit is 35mph.
Very much so. We average 27 mph on a normal day. But that's still mixed use of highway and city.
You should try doing some aero mods like taping up the seams and running a higher tire pressure with cleats on the wheels. I reckon you could buy another 20-50miles of range in normal mode with that.
It's a giant shoebox. There's no aero improvements available at low speeds.
@@SmedleyPlumbing you’d be surprised what the tire pressures and cleats would do but I agree it’s a bit of a shoe box.
@@camerorm check out our world record video. We achieved 300.6 miles on a single charge with 2,000 pounds of cargo in the back.
@@SmedleyPlumbing at 60 mph it could help. In addition to the above suggestions using the fold out tail fairings as seen on Semi trailers or vortex generators to offset the lower pressure behind the van.
What do you do if you do run out of charge? Does triple A bring out a generator or do they just flatbed you to the closest charging stations?
It's most economical to get towed to a charging station. Especially if you have AAA.
My travel range in Florida is only 200 miles max - I don't like driving more than 3 hours in one stretch ever anyways. I need something that can do this comfortably without any hacks and allow me to run the A/C overnight while parked. I do feel 300 mile range will be the magic number for many. The rumor is Ram will be announcing a new E-Promaster with around 250 range (possibly more) before year end. If there was a e-van in the market that could drive 200 miles on a 20 minute charge and run the A/C overnight for less than 15 miles of range I would not hesitate to upgrade.
DC fast chargers will charge the van from 20%-80% in 30 minutes. But long range on the E-transit is only possible with slow speed driving. All highway driving will result in a range of about 110-130 miles.
23 E transit can now be charged in 20 minutes. 80%
Hi there from Nashville Tn ! Thanks for the E Transit intro . This really makes my day to see it working for a tradesman. Did you order by making a deposit and if so how long was your wait ?
Best , John S
We ordered in early November of 2021 and received the van in April of 2022.
@@SmedleyPlumbing hey thinking of buying the high roof extended van. Did Ford want a down payment when you decided to buy one. And what is your monthly payment on one of these
@@Gmail.comyama we financed through our bank.
@@SmedleyPlumbing I don't understand what that means, through our back. Or you meant through our bank? Mortgage loans are high now. Car loans are probably high too🤕💩
@@Gmail.comyama yeah that was a typo. We financed through our bank. We did this back in April of this year and the terms were very agreeable.
So if I wonder if the gearing can be changed for better highway range. I know city range would suffer but would be perfect for cross country driving.
It's direct drive. So there's no gearing to change. The highway range has more to do with wind resistance than gearing.
How much weight were you hauling other than your passenger and camera or maybe just camera equipment? Thx.
This was done fully loaded with 2,000 pounds of cargo.
I ❤️ Smedley! Appreciate u volunteering as a "lab rat". I m also a "lab rat". I compare the Blue Digital Range to Odometer. When driving 40-55 mph, yield 33% more than Blue Range estimate. Range Down 60 miles but Odometer Increases 80 miles. So a Range Estimate of 150 will give 200 real miles.
As you drive more, the range estimate will become more accurate. It will increase a few miles every charge until it plateaus to match your driving style. I love how most people are getting well over the factory listed range.
I just keep mine in normal mode and regulate my right foot when I need the range. You never know when you’ll need full power in an emergency situation.
Hitting the gas will make it more exciting!
What is your next video for the e-transit? Watched all that you have posted.
We have a few more coming out in the next week. Some fun ones too! Stay tuned!
I’m a locksmith, my new one will be built this week
You'll love it.
I like the Ford transit, but they need to increase their range desperately. The esprinter is looking really good with it's 250 mile range.... and its lithium phosphate battery technology.
One thing about EV's is to not give anyone credit until the unit is out and available. These manufacturers are great at making impressive claims and then the unit that we get is a fraction of what was once claimed. The most common is claiming industry leading range for less money.
@SmedleyPlumbing the esprinter has been out for a few years in Europe, plus there are a couple of videos on UA-cam testing its range. It actually did better than the advertised 250 range. It was somewhere around 279 miles with 6% battery life left . Just like your test did better than the advertised range for etransit.
@@Transit_my-way you still got to wait for the American version. The one consistent thing with all of these electric vehicles that the manufacturers are not quite accurate on their initial claims until the American product hits the road.
@SmedleyPlumbing the range test was on the American version. It was a trip from Long Beach, California to Las Vegas, Nevada. It was posted 3 months ago.
@@Transit_my-way all I'm saying is wait until you can test the actual unit that you are buying from an American dealer. I hope it works out as promised but my trust level is very low with manufacturers claiming low purchase prices and high range of possibilities and then not following through.
i managed in europe 205 miles with normal driving up to 100 km/h / 62mph
That's awesome!
how many miles/KWh can you normally get on flat freeway driving going 55mph?
We get about 110 miles of range when it's all freeway driving
It appears you are in a warm climate. I own a mechanical shop in Pa, I have looked at the EV Transit but once you start defrosting and heating the cab in a very mountainous area, much less get hung up in traffic jams throughout the course of the winter, they just don't fit the bill. At 107 in your cab but you say its worth it LOL I think we have different values attached to worth. LOL
Yeah its a totally different game in cold weather climates.
You can defrost it, plugged in, before you leave the shop. Avoid rush-hour traffic is easy when you make your own schedule like I do. So you’re talking maybe 90 miles range. That’s plenty enough. If you don’t schedule your service calls too far apart. I have plenty of customers within a few miles of each other. I don’t schedule calls 25 or 30 miles apart.
Why ford didn’t install roof solar ? Would that be possible to install solar over the roof so it charges by itself?
Solor charges at an incredibly slow rate. Less than 20 miles of range per day of full sun. So the cost isn't worth the return.
I'm down for a personal EV vehicle, Def not for work atm. The anxiety is REAL! The range for this EV Transit is complete trash.
What kind of range were you expecting?
@@SmedleyPlumbing for me 300 miles and wll see what happen in winter times.
@@umarovdi 300 miles per day is out of industry norms.
I'm looking for more like 400. My diesel does 1k in a day with one brief refill
Any energy storage method wether it be battery or gas will have the potential to propel a vehicle a certain distance, depending on the way the vehicle is driven. If you choose to floor or drag race any vehicle it will use more energy than if you didn’t and just took things easy. The thing that differs bout the EV is that you store less energy, compared to a gas vehicle and recharging takes longer than filling with gas. If folk took the time to understand the how and why if EV’s it would help them make informed choices about EV’s. Delivery and Uber drivers can easily realise 400 miles per charge in their EV’s driving around urban areas where the maximum speed limit is either 20 or 30 mph.
Believe it or not, aggressive acceleration does not seem to impact range at all. The biggest impacts on Range are speed, wind resistance, and how efficiently you can slow down without using the brakes. Electric motors are very efficient
@@SmedleyPlumbing Your right, speed plays a huge part in what efficiency is returned from an EV. EV’s do best on city streets and least well on highways.👍
Is it possible to set the maximum charging capacity, please? If so, how is it done, I can't find it anywhere for the third day? Thx
Go to charging > charge locations > add location. Then you can set parameters for each location you add.
@@SmedleyPlumbing thank you Sr.
If we can get 300 miles out of a charge with normal conditions under load (loaded van) and climate conditioned then I think most contractors could switch, if you can get to 500 miles per charge then it’s a full send
Not aware of any EV with a 500 mile range yet.
Hi how are you? I am a plumber too and I’m trying to buy the transit electric I do service just like you so I’m asking you honest question after I see your videos looks like it is worth it to buy it but it really worth it?
We use it every day! We use it to install larger projects and load it down with rubble and concrete almost every day
@@SmedleyPlumbing thank you for your reply appreciate it. Good luck to you guys.
How long are the tires lasting?
I haven't owned it long enough to go through a set of tires yet. But tire wear is ultimately going to depend on payload. Our other transits seem to get about $25,000 mi out of a set of tires on the back.
@Smedley Plumbing Do you know how much the e-transit weighs vs the gas version?
@@richardmcelheney6430 check out our other videos. We weigh ours empty and then loaded.
Just use L mode everytime. One pedal driving is fun!
L mode is only more efficient during stop and go driving. The ability to coast greatly increases efficiency and range.
For non business users, the range needs to be a lot more....couldn't they put in a bigger battery? Too expensive if so...?
Yeah it really is an intended for non-business use. And I don't think they could ever have the range practical enough to be used in a camping situation. Campers are traveling hundreds and hundreds of miles at a time.
what is the parasitic loss of these vans sitting over a weekend if left off a charger? Would you mind testing over a weekend?
Parasitic loss is 0% when the van sits for two weeks. Then it goes into deep sleep mode and remains a 0% loss over the next two weeks. I haven't tested this personally but a friend who also has one left his sitting for 4 weeks and returned to a 100% charge.
I’m curious how you’ll do in winter months with range.
We are too. We're guessing we'll still see over the Ford listed range of 106 miles.
If you remember what happened in Texas when it was winter storm💁 no electricity no car. Everybody was using gas generators 😂
@@umarovdi see forass power outages and nobody being able to buy gas.
I like this guy…. Like I don’t care if my company name is on the side… I’m driving 20.. pass me….
Exactly!
What is average miles your getting
We are seeing an average of about 135-145 miles to a full charge. I have since backed it off to charge to 80% and we're seeing about 115-120 miles to a charge.
How much payload you have in the cargo
Full payload with about 2,000 pounds of cargo.
@@SmedleyPlumbing how many miles you average on full charge?
I just got my 2023 Etransit medium roof 148 and I'm little skeptical about it I have small plumbing business with two gasoline ecoboost transit.
Also for shelving did you had company do it for you?
@@TheSilva4000 we used American Van for shelving. We average 120-140 miles in the summer and 90-110 miles in the winter.
And a goose 😂
You get passed by everything driving that slow! 😂
I would like to get an E Transit but the dealerships in Washington state just wanted to jack up the price one dealer who had one it would cost $61,000 similar to your vehicle that you have they wanted $7,000 above MSRP I spoke to another dealer as I was saying that I needed to order one for 2023 and I asked him, what guarantee do I have that when I ordered a vehicle that I will get it at MSRP he said what's MSRP . what experience did you have when you ordered yours
We ordered ours in November of 2021 and received it in late April of 2022. We paid MSRP. We ordered through Gary Crossly Ford in Liberty Missouri.
The Portland area dealers are listing the E-Transits at MSRP. They sell almost as fast as they come in though, but keep checking the Ford site, using the inventory search feature. But double check the window stickers... Sometimes gassers show up when searching EVs. Even the Willamette Valley dealers are stocking them, so check south of Portland as well.
Do you tow a trailer at all with the EV? That is the only thing stopping me from buying one. Ford has no tow capacity for the EV transit. I am a irrigation contractor in NJ and I tow a landscape trailer with a machine on it once and a while and in fall I tow a air compressor.
They don't offer a towing option yet. Our unit doesn't even have a tow/haul mode. It also doesn't apply full power until 40 mph. So it wouldn't tow well as it's currently equipped.
2.1 mp kw
60 mph x
.5 kw per mile
30 kwh that size gen.
Generator Size (30 kW) full Load. gal/hr)
30kw 2.9
3 gal 60 mile
20 mpg
I'm not following you
That last run is not really representative for daily driving. Not really worth being the road Hazard.
You should see our world record video then!
Let's be real, how will it break down?
Henry Ford invented the spare parts industry, and they get high on their own supply
Let's be real, parts failures affect all makes and models equally.
Ford needs to purchase their ev batteries from tesla...this thing sucks
We would have to disagree on that. We are loving ours!
@@SmedleyPlumbing for something that big, it should be able to go at least 400 miles with no load. It has the necessary surface area to accommodate a bigger battery pack but they're using probably the cheapest lithium batteries they can get. If Tesla came up with a cargo van, the range would be 5x more than this 🗑️
@@holyscience3763 the thing is it doesn't need that long of range. Most people only drive their Transits 70-80 miles per day. So Ford designed the E-Transit to support the largest buyer market of the van.
@@holyscience3763 ya and cost $30,000 more they cancelled single motor cybertruck $38000 dollar one why because just not possible bro
Congrats! You found out how to not do anything practical!
Still got you to watch it....
@@SmedleyPlumbing Great, now I get to harass one more UA-cam douchebag.
E-transit is real garbage
We're gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on that one...😬
@@SmedleyPlumbing rather take it in to a ford dealer than tesla if something went wrong .
This van is the biggest piece of junk. Regret buying on. 119 mile range is a joke, 130 miles if you baby it. Doing my own review video but it’s garbage almost unusable… giving it to an installer that will hopefully not have to make multiple trips to the parts house and be able to charge overnight but as a service van this thing failed and roadtripping it to a new market was a disaster… I drove it 900 miles to Phoenix and it took 1.5 days and almost didn’t make it to one stretch hyper miled it like crazy…. And had to overnight charge (no level 3stations within 170 miles)
Sounds like you set yourself up for failure. You knew the range before you bought but claim the low range is a problem. Then you took it on a 900 mile trip and got mad that you had to charge a ton. I don't know what to tell you. It's not for everyone and it sounds like it's sure not for you. Can't blame the van that you shouldn't have bought it though. That would be like buying 1/2-ton truck and then getting mad that it won't tow 20,000 pounds.
Your video is super misleading this doesn’t have a 280 mile range.
And no this is why Ford isn’t selling them and is getting crushed by Mercedes with a 250 mile range we have 4 of them on order.
Ford set themselves up for failure and didn’t do their product research on what’s needed in the North American market. Everyone needs 200+ mile range. I gave it a try to see if we could make it work for an installer and sent it to a market to see if it would work in the flatlands but it doesn’t period… this van sucks lol. Keep telling yourself it works.
@@monkeybusinesspictures1971 not sure how we were misleading. We showed how the range is in many different scenarios. But if you think that's misleading, wait till you see the video we did where we drove it 300 miles on a single charge.