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My grandfather wanted me to stay in ROTC and go in he army 😕 there was a lot of pressure and I'll admit at first, when I was like 10, I wanted to. I thought it was just shooting people. Then I grew up. I realized how vets are treated and I changed my mind. He lost his shit when I said I was quitting ROTC my senior year. I was done with it. I wanted my final year of high school to be somewhat enjoyable. When I mentioned I wanted to sell art no me in my family was supportive of me 😕 It got to the point where I gave up on art for a while. But then after graduating art was my coping mechanism for my mental issues. For my anxiety and depression. It got me through my step brothers death. So seeing other parents live through their children sickens me.
Living vicariously through their children is probably as old as civilization. It's selling out their children and earning money by putting their kids in harm's way is what traumatizes me.
@@srijasingh6533 being as old as civilization doesn't make it right. Agreed that the exploitation is the worst part, but I'd argue living vicariously through your child is unhealthy on its own
I find it very unlikely that someone who kidnapped a child would put said child in the public eye like this. pretty sure it'd be way too risky for them. edit: I also wanna add that possibly the clips of mom doing the stuff she is asked to do during the livestreams is her very well knowing that it'd make her go viral. idk.. there have been enough people exploiting these situations for clout
look up the uy that kidnapped a 4 year old and pretended it she was his wife when she turned old enough. he had her working as a stripper the moment she turned 18 and none caught on until YEARS after even when it was obvious and creepy
@@musitianreyes ya they have a Netflix documentary of it now and it stills doesn't go into all the disturbing things he put her through he is a disgusting person and I'm glad he finally got caught. Especially since he killed that innocent little boy
Nah i believe they can be in public eye, especially when its a kid since they dont know any better and are more likely to be intimidated from asking for help
In the case of Jaycee Dugard (a creepo kidnapped her when she was 10 or 11 and kept her prisoner for 18 years. She had 2 children by her attacker while being held captive.) it was years before that monster even let her accompany him to the store. He waited until he was certain that she was so beaten down, spirit broken, and afraid of him that she wouldn’t run away or risk asking for help. I can’t imagine a child with that kind of countenance and personality (that would read as “shy” in person but as “obviously traumatized” after multiple videos) would make for a good TikTok actor. Certainly not a convincing one. So that even if there were zero chance of the child being recognized based on looks, I still don’t think it would ever happen. It would be too clear that something is ‘off’.
As an American, I can tell you, most people here find child pageants weird too. It's a small niche group that enjoy them, and most of the people attending them are just the families of the kids. Still definitely weird though.
It's a bigger group then you might think, I did a paper on the psychology of pageant moms for uni about 12 years back and there were some startling realizations. I attended a couple to observe and the amount of verbal and emotional abuse being thrown around was astonishing. The majority of mothers were all failed pageant participants themselves and would just heap so much tension and demands on those kids. Watching some of he younger ones like 3 and 4 having melt downs because they were tired and hungry and the mothers just berating them, and how dare they mess up their make up, or hair or dress. And money is a huge factor...parents literally going into ebt to chase that grand champion that may pay $1000-$5000. Judges were kinder to those kids then their parents. I watched a couple of lady judges try o console a child who lost while the mother just ranted about everything the little girl had done wrong. It's really a scary niche to be sure.
@@GravesLilDarkAngel whaaat really ? Now its probably worse then it was back then.isn’t there something that child protect services can do ? Sorry for bad English
@@BelinaBelii They're perfectly legal unfortunately, but a serious exploitation for sure. It doesn't matter if there are predators there or not, one can not help but feel as if the kids are just being paraded for entertainment. I always felt a little uneasy over the judging process too. The verbal abuse hurled between the parents got very obscene, I'm sure some of those kids picked up new words.
Even the pageants most people go to are just 'awe look at the cute kids playing dress up' and not 'we need to get you a spray tan because the judges will mark you down if you're too pale'
I don't think it's actual kidnapping, it's just a mom loving through her child and forcing her to be who she once was or who she wanted to be. Now she's giving her child 'stardom' and using her for content.
INabber pointed out that a lot of comments were made after the videos were posted. Besides, if a bunch of people say “wear this color if you’re in danger,” and they list off every color in existence, obviously someones comment will “prove theyre in danger”
I really appreciate that you blur the poor girl’s face, the basic fact that people use and exploit their kids is horrible and doing the least and limiting the exposure of the kids themselves is a great step. Kids shouldn’t be on the internet period
I actually found this obnoxious. Especially with the photo of the girl who is missing and her dad *explicitly* said he's happy that her disappearance is getting traction. Also, he points out one UA-camr not showing the clip she was talking about, but then blurs the clip when he shows it. Was it actually the right clip? We, as viewers, don't know because we weren't able to see it. I actually was watching this video with a friend who knows nothing about this situation and continues to not know what's going on because so much of the video was pixels.
@@TheIanPhoenix you need not do anything more than simply type the dang username in TikTok. Bam you’ve got the faces you want. It’s not necessary to continue plastering a child’s face on the internet in order for you to have enough information.
So both you and the person above you think it's better to go and give the Tiktok account more views to go and look up the videos mentioned rather than Nabber only blur the face versus the whole or even most of the videos he referenced? Not everyone is chronically online or wants to feed more in to something that is super weird. When you watch this video, you have zero idea what's happening in the videos he's talking about because he doesn't say anything other than "This seems like really weird behaviour." Even when he mentions how weird the room looks, you can't even see what he's talking about because the whole picture is blurred except for the mom's face. And his reference to the video to other UA-camr didn't post that he complained about? The whole thing was blurred, so how can of even know what video that was. If you're going to provide proof of something, it can't be completely hidden behind huge pixels. Also, I find it telling how neither of you addressed my concern about the missing girl whose face was also blurred.
@@TheIanPhoenix damn man, why do you wanna look at kids so much huh? /j in all seriousness if you don't get it fine we're smart enough to get the context and its better just to be aware of the situation. its mostly critical thinking bro. you really just need audio, i don't want to see a 10 year old in makeup and chokers on a leash dude. i get that the missing girl was weird but news stations and police don't blur the face so she can be found, you can find the reports there. if you also want to see the kids face there's plenty of callout videos that have her face in it and don't support their channel.
I was a pagent kid for a while. Mom thought that me being up on stage and judged by my appearance and mannerisims and being forced to talk to a crowd of strangers would help me 'being shy'. Thankfully we didn't get too deep into it..maybe did 4 or 5 total before I pretty much had a break down on stage. Yea come to find out later I have pretty major GAD and mild agoraphobia. Thanks mom! I was about 9 or 10
Awww I'm so sorry to hear you had to experience this my friend ☮️💜🌺 sending you all the positive vibes and I really hope that you can recover from this x
@@keylimetea Yeah youd be surprised. I have GAD too and i was just called "self proclaimed loner" by my teacher "lone wolf" "creep" "starve girl" bullshit like that. When i was really just scared all the time especially bc of school they made rumors about me. My parents didnt see this happening and didnt believe me of course and only believe the teachers, and they would still try to force me to "come out of my shell" and made it worse
As a parent, can confirm: kids can have some weird looking rooms. My son loves sharks and has them all over his room, but also has a dollar tree plastic skeleton hanging on his wall that he *refuses* to take down. He's 8. But, coming from the point of view of a parent, I would never feel comfortable posting some of this stuff on the internet, because of my child's wellbeing. The amount of *sheer embarrassment* these influencer kids probably currently or will feel when they get older I could *never* imagine, and I can't imagine putting my child through that. I did some weird and cringy things as a kid, and I am so thankful it isn't all over the internet. You cannot tell me these influencer kids are not or will not be bullied for the things their parents are posting on the internet. And what happens when these kids go and get jobs when they're older? What happens when a potential boss does a background check and finds this kind of stuff? Will they actually want to hire them? I honesty question if these parents are thinking of any of the long-term effects this stuff will have on their child's lives. It might be bad to say, but I think either they're not, or they don't care.
That’s so cool! Sharks are my favorite animal!! You can tell your son (or not), that a random 21 year old girl is very jealous of his awesome room!! Thank you for letting your son enjoy what he wants!
i was a youtube kid, i only got maybe ten veiws per vid. I still get anxious that its out there and i cant do anything about it. Imagining getting a few million... not good.
Have you SEEN the rooms the kids would design on that old show Trading Spaces: Boys vs Girls? The rooms were all kinds of wild. Kids absolutely have weird bedrooms. Big agree😂
Not to mention how she dips her nose in enough highlighter to make her visible from space, because she clearly thinks she can still fool people into thinking she looks young.
I think that the mom is abusing her kids, I'm guessing verbally and/or emotionally, not kidnapped. As someone who had abuse by a parent, I can see some of the same signs that I went through (forcing your kids to say things to cover their abuse, forcing them to act in a certain way on social media, camera, and/or in front of others, forcing them to wear what the parent wants, etc). I think the kids need to be out of that household, yes, but I don't think they were kidnapped. Edit: That Peyton apology video with the dad standing next to him, in an intimidating stance, is terrifying. I'm scared for him. But also cutting him off by taking his only form of outside communication and isolating him from others by taking his phone and deleting his social media is abuse 101, in romantic relationships and domestic relationships. I hate that these kids are trapped in this household and need to be put into a better home. I feel so sorry for these kids.
Yeah the dad standing right by Peyton really was the thing that made me think that atleast Peyton has been forced. Hes old enough to try to set boundaries and I think that might’ve backfired in some way
Yeah the Peyton "apology" video was really chilling, and the thing that stood out the most to me as dangerous. I don't think it should be necessary to make up conspiracy theories about kidnapping in order to find that family absolutely horrifying in how they treat their children. I really hope that Peyton is ok and has some connection with the outside world (eg. school) where he can get help.
@@Mewmew-lv5iv I can't speak for anyone else but for me it's not really about losing access to social media, it's the worry that he might be losing access to any connections outside of the family home. It depends if he goes to school or has other opportunities to speak to people other than his parents. The apology video looked straight up like a hostage situation and was the worst thing imo. If you were severely mistreating your child and they had rebelled or tried to speak up about it, it's logical that you'd take away their ability to speak up.
whyd you have to go and make things so complicated? i see the way youre acting like youre somebody else. gets me frustrated. simply admit that i am the funniest and greatest and sm*rtest and coolest and strongest yout*ber of all time! admit it, dear anna
Yes. And someone with a platform as big as Inabber Could do a lot of good if they wanted to, but instead they are spreading conspiracy theories for views
The mom totally loves that we want to say "oh nooo they are both kidnapped" because it means they wont just say "ew gross this mum is exploting her child for money and clout"
That whole //totally not forced// apology video with Peyton showed an ASTOUNDING lack of situational awareness on the parents' behalf. Even without seeing his body language, you can tell by his tone that Peyton isn't actually apologising for anything; he sounds so beaten down. And the mother with her 'disciplining parent' voice. Absolutely fuming that this is allowed and promoted by TikTok (and social media in general). ETA: Now that I'm hearing the apology a second time, this was DEFINITELY written my the mother. "The business [mum] and my sister were trying to build" like??? Who actually believes an eight year old had a hand building this weird shite?
It’s one of those things that feeds into “playing up to it” theory, because they clearly didn’t think it through. Obviously, she wanted to show that it wasn’t forced and clear her name so as to do damage control for the brand she’s building, but in doing it, she managed to make it look entirely forced and unwilling. It’s a complete lack of awareness, honestly a foolish move to make that makes her look very much like the bad guy, and now has people speculating that SHE is this kidnapping content farmer, which I’m pretty sure is a huge point in driving the speculation.
The fact that they made the son apologize for upsetting their business is so creepy to me. Like they couldn't make a casual video where he explains it was just a stupid joke? They had to stand him up next to his dad(?) to look like he's about to be marched to a jail cell? Idk if they're trying to make people suspicious to get attention but they have to know this shit looks weird....
Beauty pageants for children aren't a thing in Germany. Kids do partake in sports, music and such competitions, yes, but pageants are pretty unheard of for minors. From around teen-aged and up, beauty pageants do regularly take place, but they aren't even close to the hype they get in the US. The 'Miss x' competitions rarely get media coverage, they aren't televised (maybe locally, but not nationally) and only the Miss Germany gets a bit of limelight with maybe a handful of articles and reports. This whole concept of children's beauty pageants seems, at best, weird to most of us.
This is actually closer to the American experience than you think. It is a really small percentage of children who participate in such pageants. I just Googled the numbers and it is 0.0034% of American children if you believe the multiple sources that say there are about 250,000 participants total. As for coverage of pageants, that is only because we have HUNDREDS of TV channels. And really, there is still very little press coverage on our one big pageant-Miss America.
coming from someone who is in the US I can tell you the pagent scene is crazy and the girls don't often come out of it all right. it is mostly moms living through their children and putting a lot of pressure on them not only for appearance but talents and skills they'd be judged on. It can be damaging.
good for you! the only person who cares that you're german is yourself. we do the same thing, btw. c'mon, man, a "how can i make this about americans?" comment? it's so stale at this point.
I’ve heard a lot of Europeans and Australians/Kiwis that seem to be under the impression that beauty pageants are a very common and normalized thing here in the States, but it’s definitely not. I’m old enough to remember when JonBenet Ramsay was killed and part of what sensationalized that story was that she had been a little beauty queen. Photos of the little five-year-old girl dressed up in very adult makeup and hair was absolutely shocking to most people. It did not endear the public to the Ramsay parents. I think for a lot of the country, it was the first time we realized those pageants still existed- especially for little kids. I think even in the 90s most of us thought of them as a relic of the long ago past. And then in the 00s the show Toddlers and Tiaras came out and the main reason that took off was because most of us, even here in the southern US, had no idea that this world existed. It became like a train wreck that people couldn’t look away from but wanted no part of being *in*. Like I said, I’m from the southern US and I’ve never known anyone that was in beauty pageants as a baby, child, or teen. It’s just not as common as it seems.
My niece grew up as a pageant girl and I had to put in so much effort to get her focused on other things. She hated it, her parents LOVED dressing her up. It’s really honestly messed up. I went to a pageant once that had a months old baby get carried around on stage for a “performance”
The apology video by Python was horrifying to me. I don't think there's anything major going on, but the mom is definitely emotionally manipulative, which unfortunately isn't a crime. That child is gonna grow up to hate her & that's probably gonna be her punishment lmao
38:47 yeah, it seems like a mom's reaction should be, "honey, i didn't know you didn't want to be a part of these. what's going on? let's talk?" instead of shaming him.
There needs to be laws put in place protecting children from online exploitation [by their parents] and ensuring their right to privacy on social media like YESTERDAY. "Family channels" aren't even regulated by child labour laws, there is nothing in place to prevent parents from using their children 24/7 to churn out "content" to make money. It's only going to get worse and this type of negative attention clearly isn't deterring them.
Its kind of the new work around of the Jackie Coogan law. Jackie Coogan was a child actor who was exploited by his parents and left with basically none of his earnings because they used it all for themselves. Gary Coleman was also subject to these actions. Because they can’t be mandated by it not being official work, these parents are able to exploit their children for content that earns them money. A lot of these parents claim that they’re putting it aside for the child’s future, but the JC law orders that parents put aside 15% minimum of earnings for the child’s future, so without the mandate, they can technically be doing that but only putting aside 1% for the child and using the rest for themselves.
My SIL's brother and his wife attempted a family channel for awhile, got up to the usual oversharing shenanigans, and tried to get a show on TLC. It was appalling. I think when the rest of the family flat out refused to be involved they backed down a bit, but like... it's gross. I was appalled when my mom told me about it. Fortunately I don't think they ever garnered much of a following.
I know it's already been said before, but I just want to say thanks Nabber for censoring this child's face and limiting the exposure they are getting. There are lots of people who talk about these topics, which is fine, but it always feels gross when they judge others and don't take steps to protect the minors in the videos. Thank you for being a good human :D
The set room might also be because her real room is, you know, a child's room with clothes and toys on the floor and an unmade bed and maybe some crayon on the walls. It's a lot easier to say "don't touch anything in the set room" than "clean up your room so we canfilm a tiktok"
The adults here absolutely know what they're doing, just think about how much traction these "make a sign in the video if you need help" situations have gotten in the past and how many of those have turned out to be true? (think Kate Yup as example and who could forget Marina Joyce) This is a parent exploiting a child for views, plain and simple, and it doesn't need a big kidnapping conspiracy to be a horrible thing. Keeping on commenting help signals and colors isn't going to help the child, if anything it'll make things worse for her because the parents see all the engagement and drag the kid in front of the camera more to keep the conspiracy train going. I'm sure yall don't want to hear it, but if you keep commenting and feeding into the conspiracy, you are actively participating in the exploitation.
Agreed! Also IF the conspiracy was true (hypothetical) commenting those things in a place the kidnapper will definitely see is never going get the get the victim help. It would just put them in more danger.
Not only that but do they really think that the child would have access to the upload and comments of the tiktok? There's no way she would have the chance to properly ask for help through that account
Seeing Peyton makes me sad tbh because if my theory is correct, I’ve been in the same position he is rn. My mom has been exploiting my brother and I on the Internet for far too long and while we liked getting followers/subscribers in the beginning, it became exhausting and we started to hate it. Being forced to make a video/tiktok when we didn’t want to. I tried to be a streamer at 14 and my mother would tweet/post from my social media accounts all the time and the stuff she would post was so embarrassing and cringey whenever my peers found it. Every time we told her that we don’t want to do something, she would get angry, calling us quitters and threatening opportunities for when we want to have a different hobby in the future. Seeing Peyton be forced to apologize is something I know for a fact my parents would make me and my brother do if we ever told anyone about it. However, I’m finally 18 and still have my mother texting me every day telling me to film and post on my tiktok account despite me living across the country now. I’ve told her multiple times that I’ve wanted to quit and have deleted my account a few times but then she makes me recover the account. Yet, the pressure from her has died down a lot for me after turning 18 AND moving. But, I feel bad for my other three siblings because they are all A LOT younger than me and now they don’t have someone who understands to comfort them about this problem. In conclusion, I most definitely do not think Peyton and his sister were kidnapped, I strongly believe that they are in the same position I was in. All we can do is wish him good luck to get through it without affecting his mental health❤❤
I'm so glad you got to get away! Do you have days where you get to take your siblings away? Just so they can feel free for a little while? If you could, please do, I think it would have an immense effect on them to see you doing better since you left.
the kidnapping thing is obvious bunk, but the video with the son's rote answers to the prompted questions gave me a bit of a chill. especially when she asks "and did you like it?" there's just the smallest of pauses before he answers. i don't wanna read too deep into but my gut reaction was the sense that he didn't believe what he was saying in that moment. also like... if my mom was sternly asking me to tell the world that i was not being forced or threatened to do things... i'd feel forced and threatened to say i wasn't being forced or threatened lmao.
Thank you for being the voice of reason, while I don't doubt that this is perhaps being led by the Mom or the Father. Or even both. But I think that's it.
Just for some more reflection, this shows a dangerous side of the internet. Inherently, the parents and loved ones of the missing persons that are being attached to these people are being harmed more. That isn't right and may very well be causing more trauma. I also want to thank you for bringing up Jennette McCurdy, I thought it was a *very* pointed and needed comparison. From my feeling of the situation at least.
This reminds me of when people thought that 9 year old little person actually 18. People still bully him, a literal child, to this day, but it takes about 30 seconds to find his mom’s Facebook with his newborn baby photos from 9 years ago. But grown adults still perpetuate this rumor because they have fewer brain cells than an orange cat.
I still think social services should be involved, the video of the brother is really red flaggy, and the racial jokes.... they cancelled Jenna Marbles for less. I think the welfare of the children should definetly ne looked at by the authorities.
Thank you for being the only UA-camr I know of who exposes the exploitation of kids without exploiting kids in the process. Other UA-camrs really need to take some notes from iNabber. Also, you’re one of the only channels who makes statements I frequently disagree with, but you’re so chill, understanding, and respectful of others views that I never feel personally attacked, and I really appreciate that you provide a safe space for people to have discussions about controversial topics to share alternative views. However, with this video, you and I agree 100%. Thanks for being you, great content. Keep it up.
It also devalues the allegation. One day there's going to be an actual kidnap victim and people are gonna think it's people blowing things out if proportion again.
I think the issue is having evidence or at least corroborating stories at least, SOMETHING to back the accusations up. There’s been a LOT of crimes that have been solved and tragic situations avoided by crimes being talked about online, even when there wasn’t anything being done by the actual justice system. The issue is the drama perverts spreading it around without doing a shred of research first. I imagine this probably started out with someone being genuinely concerned for this kid, ya know
@@Leannbby The problem is the absurd leap from "genuine concern" (totally fine to express) to "THIS MOM KIDNAPPED HER KID AND ACTUALLY THAT KID IS THIS SPECIFIC MISSING PERSON" (completely unhinged, zero research/proof/etc, damaging for the mom/kid/real missing kid's family/real victims/etc)...
People need to be erased. People will be unhinged in any social media. TikTok, Facebook, Instagram... I was a content moderator for Google. I know. 😆👌🏻 EDIT: grammar. This is not my first language 😅
The whole pageant thing in the US is mostly in the south. The southern belle archetype and all of that is forced onto children for grown adults to judge based on looks. It's gross, it's exploitative and I've never seen this happen anywhere that wasn't in the south. (Parents are from Oklahoma and Alabama so I know a lot about the south from them.)
So I'm only 4 minutes in, but I have a genuine question. If this child is kidnapped, why would her kidnapper let her read the comments let alone do what the comments ask? Like you have to be a very dumb criminal to let your victim give out signs that they're not okay!
‘How can we convince people we’re not forcing our kids to do things? Oh yeah! By forcing our kid to apologise on camera for saying he was forced to do things!’
This TikTok BS is also incredibly disrespectful to the families of the children who were kidnapped. Giving them fake hope and spending energy on insisting these are the missing kids instead of spending energy on actually find them.
Calling the situation a kidnapping is giving me "Hey, I got a new girlfriend" vibes. Basically a fictional horror short film made for college was treated as real and connected to a real missing persons case. To the point where police were called and the parents of the missing girl claimed that the short film was made to deliberately misconstrue the case. No one involved in the original production had even heard of the missing girl beforehand and no one was in danger. Wavywebsurf just did a video on it. Playing internet detective can be a serious gamble, and these people are probably doing more harm than good. I do think this may be exploitation and possibly some form of abuse, but something as serious as kidnapping? Unlikely.
Thanks for the video recommendation! For anyone curious of the title, I think I just found it: "Reddit Ruined Their Lives: The Innocent Victims Of Internet Justice"
Not going to lie, when I saw that title I thought it was so horrific it had to be clickbait but nooo, it only got worse. I had no idea this was happening, thank you for spreading the news, Nabber, but I hate that it exists in the first place…
🤦🤦🤦 These damn conspiracy theories some people come up with on this app is ridiculous and incredibly dangerous. Especially when misinformation is being spread around and gives people who have actually had children go missing false hope 😔😔 Thank you for your video Fraser, you deserve so many more views and your video was incredibly well done. I honestly just feel like this little girl is being exploited from her own Mother for views but that's just my unprofessional opinion on this situation 😥 💯💯 agree with you!
Honestly I don’t think it’s ever a bad idea to show missing person’s photos, it’s not needed to censor those. It spreads the word on those individuals to anyone who could possibly know something. So I wouldn’t censor those in the future
it’s still very damaging. imagine being the mother, father, even a family member of a missing child/person and getting false hope that your child is still alive and being in such exploitative situation. it does more harm then good. yes i see where you’re coming from but using a random missing person as a way to “bring awareness” simply because they look like another child in possible danger doesn’t make it right to further exploit an actual missing child. especially for views. so no i think without the proper evidence to prove that bebop was the missing girl then yes even in future references the faces should be censored. why continue to contribute to giving families false hope?
@olive. The point of a missing poster is to spread the person's face and info to as many people as possible. 329000+ people watched this video and could have taken note of the poor missing kids faces, but instead it's been censored. I don't think the parents would be upset that over a quarter of a million more people are aware of their missing child regardless of the association with this stupid tiktok account. They already know about the tiktok, how could it give them "false hope". Missing people are sometimes recovered because of tips from strangers who saw their poster somewhere. I think it was kinda a bad move to deny these parents of the extra eyeballs on their child's missing persons case.
@@olive.1575 pretty sure they were talking about missing people’s photos in general, not necessarily whatever photo people were saying was bebop. not censoring the faces on a channel as big as this might just mean a viewer will recognize the face and might know something or have a lead. it spreads awareness that way. with this specific instance i might not show the face of the particular girl, but in general i wouldn’t censor the faces either. OP wasn’t talking about spreading awareness that people thought bebop was a missing girl, they were talking about spreading general awareness of missing persons because some random person viewing might end up being able to help. as long as a kid is missing the family is gonna hold out some form of hope. simply showing a missing person’s face isn’t gonna give them any more hope, it’s just gonna hurt the same as all the other times they look at the picture
There was a brother. He used to be in vids. Texted a friend he was being ab***d, his mom and dad posted a vid forcing him to say he was lying, and he never appeared again and every trace of him was deleted...
Why do people believe that someone who is kidnapped and forced to make videos would have any control over the comments or what was worn or said? I'll never get that 🤷
I don't understand how people expect to safely help kidnapped victims by asking them to do or wear things in the comments. Wouldn't the kidnappers also see these comments and request? I think I'm just a bit confused about how it supposed to work or help.
Child pagents are absolutely weird. Its mostly a deep south thing but it exists everywhere in the US. A lot of Americans and parents in general hate them. As you read into it more and read statements from former child pagents competitors, they say it not only ruined their self esteem and their social development.
"Bebop" just makes me think of Bebop and Rocksteady from the TMNT franchise lmao. But yeah, I can't help but feel bad for the families and friends of all these real missing people having a bunch of random internet kids gossiping about their loved ones. Like... wtf?!
No you’re not alone in thinking that pageants are weird… I live in the US, and I’ve lived here all my life, and I think it’s effin creepy. I mean if the kid likes doing pageants genuinely and it’s something they wanna do great but I will never be OK with the amount of make up those girls wear.. they literally get done up to look like they are adults when they’re all of about three years old and all the makeup and skimpy outfits are not needed whatsoever.. a lot of sickos just hang around pageants because it’s like a burlesque situation in their eyes. So awful. I have so many girlfriends that grew up in the pageant world and they have SO many self esteem issues and trauma now because of it. Understandably so when you’re a freaking toddler and your parents are putting you in a competition where adults judge you on the way you look.. and If you don’t win, It’s putting it in your head that you weren’t pretty enough or you weren’t talented enough. it’s heartbreaking
I realise there is likely a geographical cultural influence to pageants that make it strange to understand. I still think there are definitely elements that are unhealthy and disturbing. First I truly don’t understand the point of covering up the inherent beauty that children naturally have with all manner of fake and tawdry products that were initially designed to help women recreate a youthful appearance in the first place. Second i feel exposing a child to being publicly judged on their (fake) appearance and forcing/teaching them that they need to behave and act in a very specific way in order to be viewed as “worthy” is a very dangerous mindset to instil in a young child. One of the joys of being a child is the ability to be yourself in a totally unselfconscious way, free from the many constraints and worries imposed upon us by the myriad of shallow, purposeless social expectations we increasingly become aware of as we grow up.
There’s actually zero excuse for a parent to mock the fact they removed their kid off social media. If they were concerned they’d not let them continue to talk to strangers but no she made a video bragging about it and got the younger sister to join in “ohhh busted”.
The fact rumors spread and answers are never really there, there could be murder happening and all we got is "DO THIS EMOJI IF YOU NEED HELP" Ugh, can you imagine police doing this on call?
Just wanna mention, im about 5 minutes in but the "Wear BLANK if in danger thing" is the most untrustworthy thing ever. If you were to go on one of those videos you'd probably see so many of those with different colors listed, to the point where no matter what they wear in the next video someone will always be like "Omg they wore what we told them too! they are definitely in danger!"
True crime has rotted people's brains, and I'm saying this as someone whose been into it for 2 decades. So have lack of critical thinking skills and increased conspiratorial thinking. Sometimes it's just mundane child abuse/exploitation, folks. Internet sleuthing has its good points, like helping to connect missing people to unidentified corpses. But then you have horseshit like this. It's like, kids being treated like props are just too boring for these people, there has to be some insane conspiracy. And involving real missing children is beyond the pale.
Here's my theory. its actually an Orphan situation and the "kid" is actually a 30 year old russian woman posing as a child forcing the woman to be her mother and make tiktoks
I just wish social media sites would crack down on accounts that exploit kids. It’s just weird that they have an age minimum restriction on having a tik tok or UA-cam account, but no restrictions on young kids consistently appearing in UA-cam or tiktok videos as a way of earning their parents money or fame, even if it means putting the kids in situations they shouldn’t have to be in like in this case
Personally I feel like the mom sees just how much attention these theories are getting so she decided to run with it. What normal loving mother wouldn't shut down these rumors as soon as they started!? Couldn't someone somehow look into the videos to see if there's a location in the details like how you can find that type of info in photos that people post? I could absolutely be completely way off, but these are questions I've asked myself with every video I've seen made about this. Also with the son situation the mom makes a video with him saying he wasn't forced to make any videos except she does this by forcing him to say he wasn't forced? Makes complete sense 🤦🏽♀️
Child beauty pageants aren't that common all over the US. There was never anything like that in the area I live in. I feel like it's this weird niche thing that seems popular because of TV shows like Toddlers in Tiaras
we are sooo obsessed with strange freaky things going on that we don't focus on the fact that, even if this isnt any crazy kidnapping or anything like that, a mother is still exploiting her children for profit and thats still screwed. i feel like people will be disappointed that this isnt some atrocity against kids going on and instead is most likely just extremely emotionally mentally and psychically exhausting! but apparently putting 7 year olds thru the intense emotional labor of being a public figure isnt a big deal
I think this type of conspiracy thinking is due to people not wanting to face the layers of horror that actually exist in society. Something crazy, like oh she was kidnapped, can be solved by finding the child, returning them, and arresting the kidnapper. Whereas in real life the situation requires delving into child exploitation, workers rights, developmental effects in kids, the issues in the foster system, class issues, the fact that the majority of kidnapping is done by a birth parent or other family member, socioeconomic effects on family life and so on. A lot of people can't handle thinking about that bc of their own privileges but their brain still recognizes an issue is happening so they come up with a ridiculous scenario that can be a quick fix
TeMimi did a great deep dive...it's not legitimate kidnapping. They are just playing with the Audience. Also the girl who is missing is a different age and they did an age progression and They look nothing alike
One person who did a good commentary on this was retro phantom, she went over the theories too and also came to the conclusion that it's just another power hungry mom. Which honestly is the simplest answer a mom who exploits her chil. What I don't like is the fact that she puts her child on adult sites
Nabber when you say this is effecting the kidnapped kids families in a negative light that might be true for some but not for others. I know one of the kids mother came out and said she is so happy for these rumors because now more people know their daughters face and name to look out for her.
I feel your video is truly helping a lot of the impressionable young people who will believe anything they see on Tiktok. I hope many of them come across this video, thank you.
Let me get this straight…so you think a child is being kidnapped so your choice of “helping” is asking the kidnapped child to post signs that she’s kidnapped on the main profile that the supposed kidnapper mainly uses to spread the content. Some people are dumb af
I know, right?! People are so obsessed with their true crime conspiracy theories and armchair detective work, combined with white-knighting....they absolutely turn their brains off....
I've always been very confused about when ppl put those "do this if you need help" comments, like do you think the person you're trying to reach is the *only* one who's reading the comments? Especially if the captor is the one majorly running the account by group acknowledgement??? Like, they'd see your comments too....and stop it.....? I'm glad people want to help, but I honestly don't understand how this is supposed to work.
Look at Payton's father's body language, his arms are crossed, and he looks like he is intimidating him as Payton is speaking. The whole video is very unsettling. Almost like if he didn't say what they wanted, he would get some kind of punishment. I pray he is ok. Coming from an abusive home, I know that look, it hurt my heart to see it again.
On the topic of "pageant kids" I know a few countries have in a way banned them. It's grown people judging kids, sometimes babies, on looks and it's disgusting.
If the girl had actually been kidnapped, the “Mom” wouldn’t be letting her read the TikTok comments asking her to do/wear certain things if she needs help 😂
It's nice to see you covering the topic, as I've been hearing this situation in bits and pieces. It's so sad and frustrating to see that poor girl being exploited by a selfish mother who isn't being a healthy parent.
@@iNabber I didn't expect you to respond but im ecstatic you did! While I've a speck of your attention id just like to say you're one of my all time favorite UA-camrs. Thanks for giving quality content.
I looked into this a bit further awhile back. The kidnapping scenario did happen with a mother and her child, I do not remember the names off the top of my head. People think this is the mother, and she does look very similar. But Bebe, the child, is too young to be the kidnapped child. There is another girl who makes very brief appearances in some of their videos who is thought to be the kidnapped child. The way they act in these videos seems very sketchy. I do agree that Bebe should not be exploited this way. Who knows what’s really going on? 🤷🏻♀️
Only recently discovered your channel, so I'm late in telling this story - but I met Bebop and Bebe in real life. I work at a fairly prolific haunted house in my area, and the two of them came to visit one night - they didn't go through the house as the little girl is too young, but we have a large outdoor area with games, food, drinks, and monster actors. That's where I come in. I didn't even realize who they were for the longest time. I thought it was weird that the little girl had a full face of make up, especially at a haunted house, but she was sweet and not at all phased by my scary creature costume. Later on I ran into them again and the mom asked me if I wanted to be in a TikTok, and I agreed because the little girl and I had hit it off. Afterwards she showed me her username so that I could find the TikTok later, and that was when I realized who they were. The mom was polite and kind to both the little girl and all of the actors who she asked to be in the video. The little girl was one of the best kids I've ever met while acting; she told me I was her favorite and I melted. At no point did I see them being followed, or being told where to go or what to do by someone else. They seem to be there by themselves. Now, it is possible that I may have missed something, as my mask is difficult to see through. But I had no reason to believe that they were under any sort of supervision. I could go into more detail that wouldn't fit into a long UA-cam comment lol. Do I agree with the mom putting the daughter in the forefront of her social media account and basically working a job to make them money? Absolutely not. Do I believe that either one of them has been kidnapped? Also absolutely not.
I’m curious if there’s been a spike in the account’s engagement data since this controversy started. If I were financially motivated, I’d consider stoking the situation because controversy is what makes money on the internet.
You took the words straight out of my mouth!! I thought you were gonna go a hole different way at first but I’m glad you have common sense Fraser ahaha
I really wish youtube and tiktok didn't allow young kids on the platform at all. They aren't subject to child labor laws yet to protect them, and that doesn't even get into some of the creepy stuff these parents are doing.
I said this in TehMimi’s video but even if the “wear this color” comments where legit and they where kidnapped wouldn’t the kidnapper eventually notice? It’s a lose lose situation. They wear the color and people would be like “omg they’re in trouble”. They don’t wear the colors and people would be like “the kidnapper isn’t letting them”. Not to mention the kidnapping conspiracy takes away from the actual problem that seems to be happening here being child exploration. Paton has made it more obvious he’s been forced into doing this and Bebe appears tired in a lot of the lives
It's kind of disturbing that they play to their audience and make them think the pair of them are in danger, all for that TikTok clout. What next will Tiktok spew out? Just gets worse each week.
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Parents who live vicariously through their children frighten me. Let children be their own people.
Yeah, narcissism at its finest.
Fr, it's so weird to watch
My grandfather wanted me to stay in ROTC and go in he army 😕 there was a lot of pressure and I'll admit at first, when I was like 10, I wanted to. I thought it was just shooting people. Then I grew up. I realized how vets are treated and I changed my mind. He lost his shit when I said I was quitting ROTC my senior year. I was done with it. I wanted my final year of high school to be somewhat enjoyable. When I mentioned I wanted to sell art no me in my family was supportive of me 😕 It got to the point where I gave up on art for a while. But then after graduating art was my coping mechanism for my mental issues. For my anxiety and depression. It got me through my step brothers death. So seeing other parents live through their children sickens me.
Living vicariously through their children is probably as old as civilization. It's selling out their children and earning money by putting their kids in harm's way is what traumatizes me.
@@srijasingh6533 being as old as civilization doesn't make it right. Agreed that the exploitation is the worst part, but I'd argue living vicariously through your child is unhealthy on its own
I find it very unlikely that someone who kidnapped a child would put said child in the public eye like this. pretty sure it'd be way too risky for them.
edit: I also wanna add that possibly the clips of mom doing the stuff she is asked to do during the livestreams is her very well knowing that it'd make her go viral. idk.. there have been enough people exploiting these situations for clout
First thing I thought
look up the uy that kidnapped a 4 year old and pretended it she was his wife when she turned old enough. he had her working as a stripper the moment she turned 18 and none caught on until YEARS after even when it was obvious and creepy
@@musitianreyes ya they have a Netflix documentary of it now and it stills doesn't go into all the disturbing things he put her through he is a disgusting person and I'm glad he finally got caught. Especially since he killed that innocent little boy
Nah i believe they can be in public eye, especially when its a kid since they dont know any better and are more likely to be intimidated from asking for help
In the case of Jaycee Dugard (a creepo kidnapped her when she was 10 or 11 and kept her prisoner for 18 years. She had 2 children by her attacker while being held captive.) it was years before that monster even let her accompany him to the store. He waited until he was certain that she was so beaten down, spirit broken, and afraid of him that she wouldn’t run away or risk asking for help.
I can’t imagine a child with that kind of countenance and personality (that would read as “shy” in person but as “obviously traumatized” after multiple videos) would make for a good TikTok actor. Certainly not a convincing one.
So that even if there were zero chance of the child being recognized based on looks, I still don’t think it would ever happen. It would be too clear that something is ‘off’.
As an American, I can tell you, most people here find child pageants weird too. It's a small niche group that enjoy them, and most of the people attending them are just the families of the kids. Still definitely weird though.
It's a bigger group then you might think, I did a paper on the psychology of pageant moms for uni about 12 years back and there were some startling realizations. I attended a couple to observe and the amount of verbal and emotional abuse being thrown around was astonishing. The majority of mothers were all failed pageant participants themselves and would just heap so much tension and demands on those kids. Watching some of he younger ones like 3 and 4 having melt downs because they were tired and hungry and the mothers just berating them, and how dare they mess up their make up, or hair or dress. And money is a huge factor...parents literally going into ebt to chase that grand champion that may pay $1000-$5000. Judges were kinder to those kids then their parents. I watched a couple of lady judges try o console a child who lost while the mother just ranted about everything the little girl had done wrong. It's really a scary niche to be sure.
@@GravesLilDarkAngel whaaat really ? Now its probably worse then it was back then.isn’t there something that child protect services can do ? Sorry for bad English
@@BelinaBelii They're perfectly legal unfortunately, but a serious exploitation for sure. It doesn't matter if there are predators there or not, one can not help but feel as if the kids are just being paraded for entertainment. I always felt a little uneasy over the judging process too. The verbal abuse hurled between the parents got very obscene, I'm sure some of those kids picked up new words.
yeah, it's a really weird group of people that enjoy child pageants. definitely a niche group.
Even the pageants most people go to are just 'awe look at the cute kids playing dress up' and not 'we need to get you a spray tan because the judges will mark you down if you're too pale'
I don't think it's actual kidnapping, it's just a mom loving through her child and forcing her to be who she once was or who she wanted to be. Now she's giving her child 'stardom' and using her for content.
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💯 agree 👏
But why would they also play into the comments asking for help is it just a joke because if so it’s giving boy who cried wolf feels
@@lamilkman1796 prob so the mom can gain the account more attention
INabber pointed out that a lot of comments were made after the videos were posted. Besides, if a bunch of people say “wear this color if you’re in danger,” and they list off every color in existence, obviously someones comment will “prove theyre in danger”
I really appreciate that you blur the poor girl’s face, the basic fact that people use and exploit their kids is horrible and doing the least and limiting the exposure of the kids themselves is a great step. Kids shouldn’t be on the internet period
I actually found this obnoxious. Especially with the photo of the girl who is missing and her dad *explicitly* said he's happy that her disappearance is getting traction.
Also, he points out one UA-camr not showing the clip she was talking about, but then blurs the clip when he shows it. Was it actually the right clip? We, as viewers, don't know because we weren't able to see it.
I actually was watching this video with a friend who knows nothing about this situation and continues to not know what's going on because so much of the video was pixels.
@@TheIanPhoenix you're being dramatic. I knew nothing of this situation but I understood everything from the video
@@TheIanPhoenix you need not do anything more than simply type the dang username in TikTok. Bam you’ve got the faces you want. It’s not necessary to continue plastering a child’s face on the internet in order for you to have enough information.
So both you and the person above you think it's better to go and give the Tiktok account more views to go and look up the videos mentioned rather than Nabber only blur the face versus the whole or even most of the videos he referenced? Not everyone is chronically online or wants to feed more in to something that is super weird. When you watch this video, you have zero idea what's happening in the videos he's talking about because he doesn't say anything other than "This seems like really weird behaviour." Even when he mentions how weird the room looks, you can't even see what he's talking about because the whole picture is blurred except for the mom's face. And his reference to the video to other UA-camr didn't post that he complained about? The whole thing was blurred, so how can of even know what video that was.
If you're going to provide proof of something, it can't be completely hidden behind huge pixels.
Also, I find it telling how neither of you addressed my concern about the missing girl whose face was also blurred.
@@TheIanPhoenix damn man, why do you wanna look at kids so much huh? /j
in all seriousness if you don't get it fine we're smart enough to get the context and its better just to be aware of the situation. its mostly critical thinking bro. you really just need audio, i don't want to see a 10 year old in makeup and chokers on a leash dude. i get that the missing girl was weird but news stations and police don't blur the face so she can be found, you can find the reports there. if you also want to see the kids face there's plenty of callout videos that have her face in it and don't support their channel.
I was a pagent kid for a while. Mom thought that me being up on stage and judged by my appearance and mannerisims and being forced to talk to a crowd of strangers would help me 'being shy'. Thankfully we didn't get too deep into it..maybe did 4 or 5 total before I pretty much had a break down on stage. Yea come to find out later I have pretty major GAD and mild agoraphobia. Thanks mom! I was about 9 or 10
So sorry you had to go through that. Pageant parents are the worst.
Ah shit I’m so sorry dude.
Wow so mom tried to help you but you literally just had anxiety.
Awww I'm so sorry to hear you had to experience this my friend ☮️💜🌺 sending you all the positive vibes and I really hope that you can recover from this x
@@keylimetea Yeah youd be surprised. I have GAD too and i was just called "self proclaimed loner" by my teacher "lone wolf" "creep" "starve girl" bullshit like that. When i was really just scared all the time especially bc of school they made rumors about me. My parents didnt see this happening and didnt believe me of course and only believe the teachers, and they would still try to force me to "come out of my shell" and made it worse
As a parent, can confirm: kids can have some weird looking rooms. My son loves sharks and has them all over his room, but also has a dollar tree plastic skeleton hanging on his wall that he *refuses* to take down. He's 8.
But, coming from the point of view of a parent, I would never feel comfortable posting some of this stuff on the internet, because of my child's wellbeing. The amount of *sheer embarrassment* these influencer kids probably currently or will feel when they get older I could *never* imagine, and I can't imagine putting my child through that. I did some weird and cringy things as a kid, and I am so thankful it isn't all over the internet. You cannot tell me these influencer kids are not or will not be bullied for the things their parents are posting on the internet. And what happens when these kids go and get jobs when they're older? What happens when a potential boss does a background check and finds this kind of stuff? Will they actually want to hire them? I honesty question if these parents are thinking of any of the long-term effects this stuff will have on their child's lives. It might be bad to say, but I think either they're not, or they don't care.
That’s so cool! Sharks are my favorite animal!! You can tell your son (or not), that a random 21 year old girl is very jealous of his awesome room!!
Thank you for letting your son enjoy what he wants!
My dad painted murals of Simba and Nala over my sister and I beds (instead of headboards)
i was a youtube kid, i only got maybe ten veiws per vid. I still get anxious that its out there and i cant do anything about it. Imagining getting a few million... not good.
My daughter is 9 and same. She will hang something up and I'm like where did that even come from lol 😂 she's sweet she loves to make her own style
Have you SEEN the rooms the kids would design on that old show Trading Spaces: Boys vs Girls? The rooms were all kinds of wild. Kids absolutely have weird bedrooms. Big agree😂
I feel bad for the parents of the missing kids. You know they’re getting contacted constantly and being told that their child is this girl.
Mom has enough "peaked in high school" energy to power a cargo ship. It's so sad how she's robbing that babygirl of her childhood :(
It's sad
Not to mention how she dips her nose in enough highlighter to make her visible from space, because she clearly thinks she can still fool people into thinking she looks young.
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That makeup is exploiting my eyeballs.
"Were you forced?" she asks; forcing him to make a video
I think that the mom is abusing her kids, I'm guessing verbally and/or emotionally, not kidnapped. As someone who had abuse by a parent, I can see some of the same signs that I went through (forcing your kids to say things to cover their abuse, forcing them to act in a certain way on social media, camera, and/or in front of others, forcing them to wear what the parent wants, etc). I think the kids need to be out of that household, yes, but I don't think they were kidnapped.
Edit: That Peyton apology video with the dad standing next to him, in an intimidating stance, is terrifying. I'm scared for him. But also cutting him off by taking his only form of outside communication and isolating him from others by taking his phone and deleting his social media is abuse 101, in romantic relationships and domestic relationships. I hate that these kids are trapped in this household and need to be put into a better home. I feel so sorry for these kids.
Yeah the dad standing right by Peyton really was the thing that made me think that atleast Peyton has been forced. Hes old enough to try to set boundaries and I think that might’ve backfired in some way
Yeah the Peyton "apology" video was really chilling, and the thing that stood out the most to me as dangerous. I don't think it should be necessary to make up conspiracy theories about kidnapping in order to find that family absolutely horrifying in how they treat their children. I really hope that Peyton is ok and has some connection with the outside world (eg. school) where he can get help.
@@Mewmew-lv5iv I can't speak for anyone else but for me it's not really about losing access to social media, it's the worry that he might be losing access to any connections outside of the family home. It depends if he goes to school or has other opportunities to speak to people other than his parents. The apology video looked straight up like a hostage situation and was the worst thing imo. If you were severely mistreating your child and they had rebelled or tried to speak up about it, it's logical that you'd take away their ability to speak up.
I wonder what would happen if humanity put as much effort into changing the world for the better as it does online conspiracy theories
whyd you have to go and make things so complicated? i see the way youre acting like youre somebody else. gets me frustrated. simply admit that i am the funniest and greatest and sm*rtest and coolest and strongest yout*ber of all time! admit it, dear anna
You’re right
Yes. And someone with a platform as big as Inabber Could do a lot of good if they wanted to, but instead they are spreading conspiracy theories for views
@@paulwaltersheherfeministvl521 tf?
No because they get to be the hero without actually putting in actual effort or risk to their egos.
The payoffs are just too good for some.
The mom totally loves that we want to say "oh nooo they are both kidnapped" because it means they wont just say "ew gross this mum is exploting her child for money and clout"
Yup!
Yep, she’s playing games with it all.
That whole //totally not forced// apology video with Peyton showed an ASTOUNDING lack of situational awareness on the parents' behalf. Even without seeing his body language, you can tell by his tone that Peyton isn't actually apologising for anything; he sounds so beaten down. And the mother with her 'disciplining parent' voice. Absolutely fuming that this is allowed and promoted by TikTok (and social media in general).
ETA: Now that I'm hearing the apology a second time, this was DEFINITELY written my the mother. "The business [mum] and my sister were trying to build" like??? Who actually believes an eight year old had a hand building this weird shite?
Plus the dad or whoever standing next to him with his arms crossed? Gave severe "step out of line and I'll give you something to cry about" vibes.
That guy standing behind him with his arms crossed was scary af. It's like he was going to throttle the poor boy if he didn't stick to the script.
It’s one of those things that feeds into “playing up to it” theory, because they clearly didn’t think it through. Obviously, she wanted to show that it wasn’t forced and clear her name so as to do damage control for the brand she’s building, but in doing it, she managed to make it look entirely forced and unwilling. It’s a complete lack of awareness, honestly a foolish move to make that makes her look very much like the bad guy, and now has people speculating that SHE is this kidnapping content farmer, which I’m pretty sure is a huge point in driving the speculation.
Seriously. The "apology" video had the vibe of hostage videos when the captive is forced to give the message the captor wants them to.
The whole apology video was so obviously forced and manipulated that I was wondering if it was actually a parody n
The fact that they made the son apologize for upsetting their business is so creepy to me. Like they couldn't make a casual video where he explains it was just a stupid joke? They had to stand him up next to his dad(?) to look like he's about to be marched to a jail cell? Idk if they're trying to make people suspicious to get attention but they have to know this shit looks weird....
Beauty pageants for children aren't a thing in Germany. Kids do partake in sports, music and such competitions, yes, but pageants are pretty unheard of for minors. From around teen-aged and up, beauty pageants do regularly take place, but they aren't even close to the hype they get in the US. The 'Miss x' competitions rarely get media coverage, they aren't televised (maybe locally, but not nationally) and only the Miss Germany gets a bit of limelight with maybe a handful of articles and reports.
This whole concept of children's beauty pageants seems, at best, weird to most of us.
This is actually closer to the American experience than you think. It is a really small percentage of children who participate in such pageants. I just Googled the numbers and it is 0.0034% of American children if you believe the multiple sources that say there are about 250,000 participants total.
As for coverage of pageants, that is only because we have HUNDREDS of TV channels. And really, there is still very little press coverage on our one big pageant-Miss America.
coming from someone who is in the US I can tell you the pagent scene is crazy and the girls don't often come out of it all right. it is mostly moms living through their children and putting a lot of pressure on them not only for appearance but talents and skills they'd be judged on. It can be damaging.
I live in the southern us. They even have baby pageants here ☹️
good for you! the only person who cares that you're german is yourself.
we do the same thing, btw. c'mon, man, a "how can i make this about americans?" comment? it's so stale at this point.
I’ve heard a lot of Europeans and Australians/Kiwis that seem to be under the impression that beauty pageants are a very common and normalized thing here in the States, but it’s definitely not.
I’m old enough to remember when JonBenet Ramsay was killed and part of what sensationalized that story was that she had been a little beauty queen. Photos of the little five-year-old girl dressed up in very adult makeup and hair was absolutely shocking to most people. It did not endear the public to the Ramsay parents.
I think for a lot of the country, it was the first time we realized those pageants still existed- especially for little kids. I think even in the 90s most of us thought of them as a relic of the long ago past.
And then in the 00s the show Toddlers and Tiaras came out and the main reason that took off was because most of us, even here in the southern US, had no idea that this world existed. It became like a train wreck that people couldn’t look away from but wanted no part of being *in*.
Like I said, I’m from the southern US and I’ve never known anyone that was in beauty pageants as a baby, child, or teen.
It’s just not as common as it seems.
My niece grew up as a pageant girl and I had to put in so much effort to get her focused on other things. She hated it, her parents LOVED dressing her up. It’s really honestly messed up. I went to a pageant once that had a months old baby get carried around on stage for a “performance”
Not me getting a 3-12 child modelling ad on this video 💀
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THAT EXISTS?!?
I'm not surprised that it exists. Disappointed, but not surprised at all.
DUDE I got Wilhelmina Modeling Agency (or whatever it is)... 😂
What??
The apology video by Python was horrifying to me. I don't think there's anything major going on, but the mom is definitely emotionally manipulative, which unfortunately isn't a crime. That child is gonna grow up to hate her & that's probably gonna be her punishment lmao
38:47 yeah, it seems like a mom's reaction should be, "honey, i didn't know you didn't want to be a part of these. what's going on? let's talk?" instead of shaming him.
You mean " YOU ENJOYED THE FAME HUH? TALKING TO GIRLS ON THE INTERNET???? 🤬🤬🤬🤬" isn't good parenting?
There needs to be laws put in place protecting children from online exploitation [by their parents] and ensuring their right to privacy on social media like YESTERDAY. "Family channels" aren't even regulated by child labour laws, there is nothing in place to prevent parents from using their children 24/7 to churn out "content" to make money. It's only going to get worse and this type of negative attention clearly isn't deterring them.
They should be protected under acting kids law etc and paid a proportion of the earning I think
Its kind of the new work around of the Jackie Coogan law. Jackie Coogan was a child actor who was exploited by his parents and left with basically none of his earnings because they used it all for themselves. Gary Coleman was also subject to these actions. Because they can’t be mandated by it not being official work, these parents are able to exploit their children for content that earns them money. A lot of these parents claim that they’re putting it aside for the child’s future, but the JC law orders that parents put aside 15% minimum of earnings for the child’s future, so without the mandate, they can technically be doing that but only putting aside 1% for the child and using the rest for themselves.
My SIL's brother and his wife attempted a family channel for awhile, got up to the usual oversharing shenanigans, and tried to get a show on TLC. It was appalling. I think when the rest of the family flat out refused to be involved they backed down a bit, but like... it's gross. I was appalled when my mom told me about it. Fortunately I don't think they ever garnered much of a following.
I know it's already been said before, but I just want to say thanks Nabber for censoring this child's face and limiting the exposure they are getting. There are lots of people who talk about these topics, which is fine, but it always feels gross when they judge others and don't take steps to protect the minors in the videos. Thank you for being a good human :D
The set room might also be because her real room is, you know, a child's room with clothes and toys on the floor and an unmade bed and maybe some crayon on the walls. It's a lot easier to say "don't touch anything in the set room" than "clean up your room so we canfilm a tiktok"
The adults here absolutely know what they're doing, just think about how much traction these "make a sign in the video if you need help" situations have gotten in the past and how many of those have turned out to be true? (think Kate Yup as example and who could forget Marina Joyce)
This is a parent exploiting a child for views, plain and simple, and it doesn't need a big kidnapping conspiracy to be a horrible thing.
Keeping on commenting help signals and colors isn't going to help the child, if anything it'll make things worse for her because the parents see all the engagement and drag the kid in front of the camera more to keep the conspiracy train going.
I'm sure yall don't want to hear it, but if you keep commenting and feeding into the conspiracy, you are actively participating in the exploitation.
AGREED!!
Agreed!
Also IF the conspiracy was true (hypothetical) commenting those things in a place the kidnapper will definitely see is never going get the get the victim help. It would just put them in more danger.
Not only that but do they really think that the child would have access to the upload and comments of the tiktok? There's no way she would have the chance to properly ask for help through that account
Seeing Peyton makes me sad tbh because if my theory is correct, I’ve been in the same position he is rn. My mom has been exploiting my brother and I on the Internet for far too long and while we liked getting followers/subscribers in the beginning, it became exhausting and we started to hate it. Being forced to make a video/tiktok when we didn’t want to. I tried to be a streamer at 14 and my mother would tweet/post from my social media accounts all the time and the stuff she would post was so embarrassing and cringey whenever my peers found it. Every time we told her that we don’t want to do something, she would get angry, calling us quitters and threatening opportunities for when we want to have a different hobby in the future. Seeing Peyton be forced to apologize is something I know for a fact my parents would make me and my brother do if we ever told anyone about it. However, I’m finally 18 and still have my mother texting me every day telling me to film and post on my tiktok account despite me living across the country now. I’ve told her multiple times that I’ve wanted to quit and have deleted my account a few times but then she makes me recover the account. Yet, the pressure from her has died down a lot for me after turning 18 AND moving. But, I feel bad for my other three siblings because they are all A LOT younger than me and now they don’t have someone who understands to comfort them about this problem. In conclusion, I most definitely do not think Peyton and his sister were kidnapped, I strongly believe that they are in the same position I was in. All we can do is wish him good luck to get through it without affecting his mental health❤❤
expose her ass. you're an adult. you dont have to recover anything if you dont want to
I'm so glad you got to get away! Do you have days where you get to take your siblings away? Just so they can feel free for a little while? If you could, please do, I think it would have an immense effect on them to see you doing better since you left.
the kidnapping thing is obvious bunk, but the video with the son's rote answers to the prompted questions gave me a bit of a chill. especially when she asks "and did you like it?" there's just the smallest of pauses before he answers. i don't wanna read too deep into but my gut reaction was the sense that he didn't believe what he was saying in that moment. also like... if my mom was sternly asking me to tell the world that i was not being forced or threatened to do things... i'd feel forced and threatened to say i wasn't being forced or threatened lmao.
Thank you for being the voice of reason, while I don't doubt that this is perhaps being led by the Mom or the Father. Or even both. But I think that's it.
Just for some more reflection, this shows a dangerous side of the internet. Inherently, the parents and loved ones of the missing persons that are being attached to these people are being harmed more. That isn't right and may very well be causing more trauma.
I also want to thank you for bringing up Jennette McCurdy, I thought it was a *very* pointed and needed comparison. From my feeling of the situation at least.
This reminds me of when people thought that 9 year old little person actually 18. People still bully him, a literal child, to this day, but it takes about 30 seconds to find his mom’s Facebook with his newborn baby photos from 9 years ago. But grown adults still perpetuate this rumor because they have fewer brain cells than an orange cat.
Hey, don't insult the cats!
I still think social services should be involved, the video of the brother is really red flaggy, and the racial jokes.... they cancelled Jenna Marbles for less. I think the welfare of the children should definetly ne looked at by the authorities.
Thank you for being the only UA-camr I know of who exposes the exploitation of kids without exploiting kids in the process. Other UA-camrs really need to take some notes from iNabber.
Also, you’re one of the only channels who makes statements I frequently disagree with, but you’re so chill, understanding, and respectful of others views that I never feel personally attacked, and I really appreciate that you provide a safe space for people to have discussions about controversial topics to share alternative views.
However, with this video, you and I agree 100%.
Thanks for being you, great content. Keep it up.
Didn't TehMimi make a video on this and find out that the mom was just forcing her kids on to the internet for clout?
yes
Indeed!
I don’t think that makes it better
@@bumblebeeproductions1673 true, but I just want to keep the kidnapping misinformation from spreading
@@strangeaelurus If there's one thing you can count on, it's TikTokers being idio†s. The conspiracy isn't going away for that reason alone.
People need to stop making accusations of crimes online because it can be very damaging
Seriously, allegations like that can destroy folks' lives whether or not they're true
@@NeonSonOfXenon That's 100% correct
It also devalues the allegation. One day there's going to be an actual kidnap victim and people are gonna think it's people blowing things out if proportion again.
I think the issue is having evidence or at least corroborating stories at least, SOMETHING to back the accusations up. There’s been a LOT of crimes that have been solved and tragic situations avoided by crimes being talked about online, even when there wasn’t anything being done by the actual justice system. The issue is the drama perverts spreading it around without doing a shred of research first. I imagine this probably started out with someone being genuinely concerned for this kid, ya know
@@Leannbby The problem is the absurd leap from "genuine concern" (totally fine to express) to "THIS MOM KIDNAPPED HER KID AND ACTUALLY THAT KID IS THIS SPECIFIC MISSING PERSON" (completely unhinged, zero research/proof/etc, damaging for the mom/kid/real missing kid's family/real victims/etc)...
TikTok needs to be erased
Edit: the moderation on TikTok is awful. Yt's moderation is awful in a different way.
Exactly
the one good thing trump could've done for at least America
People need to be erased. People will be unhinged in any social media. TikTok, Facebook, Instagram... I was a content moderator for Google. I know. 😆👌🏻
EDIT: grammar. This is not my first language 😅
Yes 🙌 I actually wish Microsoft never had saved it in the us market
yeah no one exploits their kids on youtube 🙄
it’s not the app, it’s the people doing it
The whole pageant thing in the US is mostly in the south. The southern belle archetype and all of that is forced onto children for grown adults to judge based on looks. It's gross, it's exploitative and I've never seen this happen anywhere that wasn't in the south. (Parents are from Oklahoma and Alabama so I know a lot about the south from them.)
So I'm only 4 minutes in, but I have a genuine question. If this child is kidnapped, why would her kidnapper let her read the comments let alone do what the comments ask? Like you have to be a very dumb criminal to let your victim give out signs that they're not okay!
‘How can we convince people we’re not forcing our kids to do things? Oh yeah! By forcing our kid to apologise on camera for saying he was forced to do things!’
bro i swear tik tok has been getting more and more illegal every minute 💀
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Imagine being the parents of the actual missing children in this situation, it must be so painful
This TikTok BS is also incredibly disrespectful to the families of the children who were kidnapped. Giving them fake hope and spending energy on insisting these are the missing kids instead of spending energy on actually find them.
Calling the situation a kidnapping is giving me "Hey, I got a new girlfriend" vibes. Basically a fictional horror short film made for college was treated as real and connected to a real missing persons case. To the point where police were called and the parents of the missing girl claimed that the short film was made to deliberately misconstrue the case. No one involved in the original production had even heard of the missing girl beforehand and no one was in danger. Wavywebsurf just did a video on it.
Playing internet detective can be a serious gamble, and these people are probably doing more harm than good. I do think this may be exploitation and possibly some form of abuse, but something as serious as kidnapping? Unlikely.
Thanks for the video recommendation! For anyone curious of the title, I think I just found it: "Reddit Ruined Their Lives: The Innocent Victims Of Internet Justice"
Not going to lie, when I saw that title I thought it was so horrific it had to be clickbait but nooo, it only got worse.
I had no idea this was happening, thank you for spreading the news, Nabber, but I hate that it exists in the first place…
🤦🤦🤦 These damn conspiracy theories some people come up with on this app is ridiculous and incredibly dangerous. Especially when misinformation is being spread around and gives people who have actually had children go missing false hope 😔😔 Thank you for your video Fraser, you deserve so many more views and your video was incredibly well done. I honestly just feel like this little girl is being exploited from her own Mother for views but that's just my unprofessional opinion on this situation 😥 💯💯 agree with you!
Honestly I don’t think it’s ever a bad idea to show missing person’s photos, it’s not needed to censor those. It spreads the word on those individuals to anyone who could possibly know something. So I wouldn’t censor those in the future
it’s still very damaging. imagine being the mother, father, even a family member of a missing child/person and getting false hope that your child is still alive and being in such exploitative situation. it does more harm then good. yes i see where you’re coming from but using a random missing person as a way to “bring awareness” simply because they look like another child in possible danger doesn’t make it right to further exploit an actual missing child. especially for views. so no i think without the proper evidence to prove that bebop was the missing girl then yes even in future references the faces should be censored. why continue to contribute to giving families false hope?
@olive. The point of a missing poster is to spread the person's face and info to as many people as possible. 329000+ people watched this video and could have taken note of the poor missing kids faces, but instead it's been censored. I don't think the parents would be upset that over a quarter of a million more people are aware of their missing child regardless of the association with this stupid tiktok account. They already know about the tiktok, how could it give them "false hope". Missing people are sometimes recovered because of tips from strangers who saw their poster somewhere. I think it was kinda a bad move to deny these parents of the extra eyeballs on their child's missing persons case.
@@olive.1575 pretty sure they were talking about missing people’s photos in general, not necessarily whatever photo people were saying was bebop. not censoring the faces on a channel as big as this might just mean a viewer will recognize the face and might know something or have a lead. it spreads awareness that way. with this specific instance i might not show the face of the particular girl, but in general i wouldn’t censor the faces either. OP wasn’t talking about spreading awareness that people thought bebop was a missing girl, they were talking about spreading general awareness of missing persons because some random person viewing might end up being able to help. as long as a kid is missing the family is gonna hold out some form of hope. simply showing a missing person’s face isn’t gonna give them any more hope, it’s just gonna hurt the same as all the other times they look at the picture
Holy crap, I’ve seen this topic on TikTok and was wondering when or if u we’re gonna cover this, thanks for your amazing content :)
There was a brother. He used to be in vids. Texted a friend he was being ab***d, his mom and dad posted a vid forcing him to say he was lying, and he never appeared again and every trace of him was deleted...
Why do people believe that someone who is kidnapped and forced to make videos would have any control over the comments or what was worn or said? I'll never get that 🤷
There are so many different requests of "do this if you are in danger" that literally anything she did would satisfy one request or another
The fact that TikTok bans people for the pettiest stuff, yet won't ban people like this really shows how money hungry the people behind it all are
I don't understand how people expect to safely help kidnapped victims by asking them to do or wear things in the comments. Wouldn't the kidnappers also see these comments and request? I think I'm just a bit confused about how it supposed to work or help.
Child pagents are absolutely weird. Its mostly a deep south thing but it exists everywhere in the US. A lot of Americans and parents in general hate them. As you read into it more and read statements from former child pagents competitors, they say it not only ruined their self esteem and their social development.
if someone started speculating kidnapping because i had a...... surround sound system in my room.... i genuinely might just disappear into the woods
like this video right now or serious consequences
Ok:)
I’m really tired of the internet disrespecting the missing people they rope into bs like this
"Bebop" just makes me think of Bebop and Rocksteady from the TMNT franchise lmao.
But yeah, I can't help but feel bad for the families and friends of all these real missing people having a bunch of random internet kids gossiping about their loved ones. Like... wtf?!
No you’re not alone in thinking that pageants are weird… I live in the US, and I’ve lived here all my life, and I think it’s effin creepy.
I mean if the kid likes doing pageants genuinely and it’s something they wanna do great but I will never be OK with the amount of make up those girls wear.. they literally get done up to look like they are adults when they’re all of about three years old and all the makeup and skimpy outfits are not needed whatsoever.. a lot of sickos just hang around pageants because it’s like a burlesque situation in their eyes. So awful.
I have so many girlfriends that grew up in the pageant world and they have SO many self esteem issues and trauma now because of it. Understandably so when you’re a freaking toddler and your parents are putting you in a competition where adults judge you on the way you look.. and If you don’t win, It’s putting it in your head that you weren’t pretty enough or you weren’t talented enough. it’s heartbreaking
I realise there is likely a geographical cultural influence to pageants that make it strange to understand. I still think there are definitely elements that are unhealthy and disturbing. First I truly don’t understand the point of covering up the inherent beauty that children naturally have with all manner of fake and tawdry products that were initially designed to help women recreate a youthful appearance in the first place. Second i feel exposing a child to being publicly judged on their (fake) appearance and forcing/teaching them that they need to behave and act in a very specific way in order to be viewed as “worthy” is a very dangerous mindset to instil in a young child. One of the joys of being a child is the ability to be yourself in a totally unselfconscious way, free from the many constraints and worries imposed upon us by the myriad of shallow, purposeless social expectations we increasingly become aware of as we grow up.
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There’s actually zero excuse for a parent to mock the fact they removed their kid off social media. If they were concerned they’d not let them continue to talk to strangers but no she made a video bragging about it and got the younger sister to join in “ohhh busted”.
The fact rumors spread and answers are never really there, there could be murder happening and all we got is "DO THIS EMOJI IF YOU NEED HELP"
Ugh, can you imagine police doing this on call?
Just wanna mention, im about 5 minutes in but the "Wear BLANK if in danger thing" is the most untrustworthy thing ever. If you were to go on one of those videos you'd probably see so many of those with different colors listed, to the point where no matter what they wear in the next video someone will always be like "Omg they wore what we told them too! they are definitely in danger!"
True crime has rotted people's brains, and I'm saying this as someone whose been into it for 2 decades. So have lack of critical thinking skills and increased conspiratorial thinking. Sometimes it's just mundane child abuse/exploitation, folks. Internet sleuthing has its good points, like helping to connect missing people to unidentified corpses. But then you have horseshit like this. It's like, kids being treated like props are just too boring for these people, there has to be some insane conspiracy. And involving real missing children is beyond the pale.
Here's my theory. its actually an Orphan situation and the "kid" is actually a 30 year old russian woman posing as a child forcing the woman to be her mother and make tiktoks
😂😂😂
Agreed
Mums from Ukraine
Ironically I actually had speakers like that in my childhood room as I loved listening/ dancing to music as a kid😂
I just wish social media sites would crack down on accounts that exploit kids. It’s just weird that they have an age minimum restriction on having a tik tok or UA-cam account, but no restrictions on young kids consistently appearing in UA-cam or tiktok videos as a way of earning their parents money or fame, even if it means putting the kids in situations they shouldn’t have to be in like in this case
Personally I feel like the mom sees just how much attention these theories are getting so she decided to run with it. What normal loving mother wouldn't shut down these rumors as soon as they started!? Couldn't someone somehow look into the videos to see if there's a location in the details like how you can find that type of info in photos that people post? I could absolutely be completely way off, but these are questions I've asked myself with every video I've seen made about this. Also with the son situation the mom makes a video with him saying he wasn't forced to make any videos except she does this by forcing him to say he wasn't forced? Makes complete sense 🤦🏽♀️
I love videos on this topic. I don’t know why but I find these kind of conspiracies(?) so interesting with how they come about and how they grow etc.
I would call them rumors? And yes I 100% agree
@@holacola6945 yess. I could not think of the word I wanted 😭😅
thank you for always debunking and researching thease topics, people don't seem to realise how much misinformation can damage the situation at hand
Child beauty pageants aren't that common all over the US. There was never anything like that in the area I live in. I feel like it's this weird niche thing that seems popular because of TV shows like Toddlers in Tiaras
I've never heard of any child pageants where I live either. All I know about them outside of Toddlers & Tiaras is, well, nothing
we are sooo obsessed with strange freaky things going on that we don't focus on the fact that, even if this isnt any crazy kidnapping or anything like that, a mother is still exploiting her children for profit and thats still screwed. i feel like people will be disappointed that this isnt some atrocity against kids going on and instead is most likely just extremely emotionally mentally and psychically exhausting! but apparently putting 7 year olds thru the intense emotional labor of being a public figure isnt a big deal
I think this type of conspiracy thinking is due to people not wanting to face the layers of horror that actually exist in society. Something crazy, like oh she was kidnapped, can be solved by finding the child, returning them, and arresting the kidnapper. Whereas in real life the situation requires delving into child exploitation, workers rights, developmental effects in kids, the issues in the foster system, class issues, the fact that the majority of kidnapping is done by a birth parent or other family member, socioeconomic effects on family life and so on. A lot of people can't handle thinking about that bc of their own privileges but their brain still recognizes an issue is happening so they come up with a ridiculous scenario that can be a quick fix
This is definitely not a kidnapping but it is definitely (in my opinion) an exploitation situation. It’s pretty sad.
TeMimi did a great deep dive...it's not legitimate kidnapping. They are just playing with the Audience. Also the girl who is missing is a different age and they did an age progression and They look nothing alike
the way she asks "were you forced? are we making you do this?" feels like a judge on tv taking a guilty plea
One person who did a good commentary on this was retro phantom, she went over the theories too and also came to the conclusion that it's just another power hungry mom. Which honestly is the simplest answer a mom who exploits her chil. What I don't like is the fact that she puts her child on adult sites
Btw Anna oop isn’t a person / influencer. It’s a content farm
Nabber when you say this is effecting the kidnapped kids families in a negative light that might be true for some but not for others. I know one of the kids mother came out and said she is so happy for these rumors because now more people know their daughters face and name to look out for her.
It could also be a set because the parents don’t wanna show their child’s real bedroom online
I feel your video is truly helping a lot of the impressionable young people who will believe anything they see on Tiktok. I hope many of them come across this video, thank you.
Let me get this straight…so you think a child is being kidnapped so your choice of “helping” is asking the kidnapped child to post signs that she’s kidnapped on the main profile that the supposed kidnapper mainly uses to spread the content. Some people are dumb af
I know, right?!
People are so obsessed with their true crime conspiracy theories and armchair detective work, combined with white-knighting....they absolutely turn their brains off....
People just want someone they can "save." Thats the whole thing
have not heard of this situation before, DESPERATELY hoping that's not true cause holy HELL
I've always been very confused about when ppl put those "do this if you need help" comments, like do you think the person you're trying to reach is the *only* one who's reading the comments? Especially if the captor is the one majorly running the account by group acknowledgement???
Like, they'd see your comments too....and stop it.....?
I'm glad people want to help, but I honestly don't understand how this is supposed to work.
Look at Payton's father's body language, his arms are crossed, and he looks like he is intimidating him as Payton is speaking. The whole video is very unsettling. Almost like if he didn't say what they wanted, he would get some kind of punishment. I pray he is ok. Coming from an abusive home, I know that look, it hurt my heart to see it again.
You are 100% right about Beauty Pageantry. I hate it and I can't believe it's still so accepted.
Looks like the natural progression of moms living through their daughters by making them do pageants etc. Still exploitation, still gross.
On the topic of "pageant kids" I know a few countries have in a way banned them. It's grown people judging kids, sometimes babies, on looks and it's disgusting.
If the girl had actually been kidnapped, the “Mom” wouldn’t be letting her read the TikTok comments asking her to do/wear certain things if she needs help 😂
It's nice to see you covering the topic, as I've been hearing this situation in bits and pieces. It's so sad and frustrating to see that poor girl being exploited by a selfish mother who isn't being a healthy parent.
I honestly get so excited every time I get an iNabber notification
i love that, thank you!
@@iNabber I didn't expect you to respond but im ecstatic you did! While I've a speck of your attention id just like to say you're one of my all time favorite UA-camrs. Thanks for giving quality content.
I doubt a kidnapper would put the person they kidnapped online
I looked into this a bit further awhile back. The kidnapping scenario did happen with a mother and her child, I do not remember the names off the top of my head. People think this is the mother, and she does look very similar. But Bebe, the child, is too young to be the kidnapped child. There is another girl who makes very brief appearances in some of their videos who is thought to be the kidnapped child. The way they act in these videos seems very sketchy. I do agree that Bebe should not be exploited this way. Who knows what’s really going on? 🤷🏻♀️
Only recently discovered your channel, so I'm late in telling this story - but I met Bebop and Bebe in real life.
I work at a fairly prolific haunted house in my area, and the two of them came to visit one night - they didn't go through the house as the little girl is too young, but we have a large outdoor area with games, food, drinks, and monster actors. That's where I come in.
I didn't even realize who they were for the longest time. I thought it was weird that the little girl had a full face of make up, especially at a haunted house, but she was sweet and not at all phased by my scary creature costume. Later on I ran into them again and the mom asked me if I wanted to be in a TikTok, and I agreed because the little girl and I had hit it off. Afterwards she showed me her username so that I could find the TikTok later, and that was when I realized who they were. The mom was polite and kind to both the little girl and all of the actors who she asked to be in the video. The little girl was one of the best kids I've ever met while acting; she told me I was her favorite and I melted.
At no point did I see them being followed, or being told where to go or what to do by someone else. They seem to be there by themselves. Now, it is possible that I may have missed something, as my mask is difficult to see through. But I had no reason to believe that they were under any sort of supervision.
I could go into more detail that wouldn't fit into a long UA-cam comment lol. Do I agree with the mom putting the daughter in the forefront of her social media account and basically working a job to make them money? Absolutely not. Do I believe that either one of them has been kidnapped? Also absolutely not.
It sure sounded like that kid was being forced to say those things.
It looked like & sounded like, he was truly forced to say, he really liked it...
I’m curious if there’s been a spike in the account’s engagement data since this controversy started. If I were financially motivated, I’d consider stoking the situation because controversy is what makes money on the internet.
Exactly
As an American I also think the beauty pageants are weird and can be extremely damaging to girl's self confidence
You took the words straight out of my mouth!! I thought you were gonna go a hole different way at first but I’m glad you have common sense Fraser ahaha
Thank you for mentioning Marina Joyce - instantly where my brain went
I really wish youtube and tiktok didn't allow young kids on the platform at all. They aren't subject to child labor laws yet to protect them, and that doesn't even get into some of the creepy stuff these parents are doing.
I said this in TehMimi’s video but even if the “wear this color” comments where legit and they where kidnapped wouldn’t the kidnapper eventually notice? It’s a lose lose situation. They wear the color and people would be like “omg they’re in trouble”. They don’t wear the colors and people would be like “the kidnapper isn’t letting them”.
Not to mention the kidnapping conspiracy takes away from the actual problem that seems to be happening here being child exploration. Paton has made it more obvious he’s been forced into doing this and Bebe appears tired in a lot of the lives
It's kind of disturbing that they play to their audience and make them think the pair of them are in danger, all for that TikTok clout. What next will Tiktok spew out? Just gets worse each week.