Just bought the classic. The evo model is about 120 euro more expensive. From the video I just watch i think I made a good choice. Water quality in my area is really good so no limescale is expected. With the saved money I bought a good quality manual grinder. Thank you for such a detailed informational video.
Great video and analysis...! I have my GCP (previous version) with the PID and OPV mods. I also upgraded to the brass dispersion plate, IMS screen and bottomless portifilter. I would love a pressure gauge; so if it had that, i would just swap everything over and call it a day. The GCP is the best learning and durable espresso machine out there. I've never had a problem with mine. Too bad they don't sell parts though; I would buy that boiler in a second!
Yeah sadly I just bought 2019 a week ago because I've seen some review saying it's not much of a difference. After seeing this video I wish I spent 70 more and get evo instead of 2019. Anyway still enjoying and trying new features with my machine tho. I did the all same upgrades. Thinking to do gauge and the dimmer as well maybe later on. What bottomless portafilter would you recommend? I wanted to get one on amazon but some reviews state it does not fit well. Many thanks
I opened the box, and my first question was What's it look like inside? Before I even tried it out, I wanted to know what it was made out of. Thanks for posting, I don't have to void my warrantee to see the lime lining. It's nice to see that Gaggia pretty much makes it exactly the same, just better.
Beware of a new added switch wiring. Although this model and a few others I’ve received have the same switch wiring as the original pro, I believe they will soon migrate to a different wiring setup behind the switches.
Great video, it would be nice to see it in action. I just got mine today and I have noticed that the power switch isnt really a switch more like a button now with the switch style.
If it's the same springy button as my 2019 pro, it's an easy fix. Remove the button from machine, then pop out the spring, then refit and not only do you now have a proper flick on/off but also it stops the machine switching itself off after 20 mins.
Hi I got an Evo end I noticed there is an extensive play when you remove the portafilter? did you have the same problem? look like the body of the machine is built with thiner metal?
I had a similar issue when I purchased a brand new classic pro in 2022. Turned out to be failed welding points on the plate that holds the boiler and the body together. It was basically free floating. I got the machine replaced with a new one and the new machine was solid.
the best video comparing them.. I just don't understand why I have not found it when searching... maybe try to change title because this is what many people try to find
If I may please ask, How can I determine the "New" Gaggia Classic Pro 2023 from older models? On Amazon their "Date First Available" reflects older dates, and I can not seem to find 2023 in any of the descriptions. Are the "Classic Color Vibes" something they just release for 2023, and that is how I can determine the model year? Thank you in advance for any information you can provide.
Hi, they should be promoted as 2023 or the evo model. If not, they are likely to be the previous version if the Classic pro. They also come in different colours.
@@TheHomeBaristas Thank You for the reply. I live in the U.S.A., and it is very difficult to determine if the machine is the updated 2023 model. I am messaging Gaggia hoping they will be able to shed some light on the subject. Thank you again.
Any idea on how long might it take before the new boiler and group can be bought as repair parts? I have an empty "Espresso Gaggia" unit that needs a boiler and group. I like the looks of the "Espresso" over the Classic (too appliance looking) and adding the pressure release feature of the Classic/Pro would be nice. I'd been planning on doing this with the available Classic Pro parts but the new group and boiler now have my interest.
@@SkipSandwichDX1 Here it is after I got the parts I needed. I skipped out on waiting for the new non-stick boiler and group model. ua-cam.com/video/d_aGi2L2fbs/v-deo.html
hello!1) yesterday I read in a blog that the portafilter is now made of stainless steel instead of brass. Is it good or bad? 2) I'm going to buy the first coffee maker, but I don't know which one to take 9480 (2019) or 9481 evo (2023)???
As a user it’s hard to tell at this point, but the coating they’ve chosen is generally far more hard wearing when used in similar products according to the Gaggia people, hence why they made the change. Time will tell.
Perhaps they switched over from the old to the new boiler for matters of health as well… Yesterday I ordered the evo 2023 in lobster red, it will arrive tomorrow. I hesitated picking the older model in lobster red, which was available too, maybe it turns out to be wrong decision, only time will tell. Any way, thanks lot The Home Baristas for the outstanding video, which I found today.
@@TheGroundedCoffee no i haven't. However this machine performs rediciously good. Heating is much faster than then the 2019 modell, but of course flushing is very important to reach the right temperature. Switching to steaming is also extremily fast for a single boiler (20 seconds). I wll check this tomorrow. The bottomline: this machine produces espresso ánd latte drinks like cappucino in the best possible way. And i'm not jocking...
The new boiler is coated, so there is less galvanic corrosion compared to before. The dispersion plate being stainless is quite well compatibile with brass and will last long. I have a 3 years old stainless dispersion plate on my machine, still shining.
Hi, yes same thermostats. I’ve already added a pid, dimmer and gauge to the 2023 model and it works a treat. However they may be changing the wiring loom behind the switches soon that may need some adaptation with some pid wiring systems
Based on unverified source: "the aluminum boiler has a protective coating of Exelia 3010-B242 on the inside. The protective layer is very hard, very dense, very resistant to abrasion and deposits and also very temperature-stable. The polymers withstand temperatures of up to 300 °C and prevent the coated material from being washed out. " Exelia seems to be produced by an Italian company. According to their website: "EXELIA 3010: Coating with low friction coefficient in addition to anti-stick property and high temperature resistance."
when the FDA says something is food safe, does that literally mean that we could ingest a large amount of it without any issue? Serious question.@@sunrise-vx5ld
Why not a stainless steal boiler? Gaggia is the only brand using an aluminium boiler. Surely a let down De'Longhi is using an stainless steal boiler in all their espresso machines even in the cheaper ones.
@@jtlon1 High end brands of espresso machines like Marzocco and ECM are using stainless steal boilers for their espresso machines because it's the best choice. And delivering the best tasting espresso's.
@@robinlawson69 No. It’s very new. They have just discovered the problem. I have returned mine and got the old classic model. The main problem is the 15/13 bar spring. I’ll have to get a 9 bar spring.
@@DelReiRock Boilergate has nothing to do with which spring is in the machine, the problem is just as big in the USA where the machine comes with a 9 bar spring mounted in the factory or 12 bar machines in, for example, the EU! It's total nonsense, who said this, Gaggia?
@@dejedejsson That’s not what I meant. I bought an EVO. EVO comes with 9 bar spring. But because of boilergate problem I returned it and got the classic pro, that comes with that 13/15 bar spring. So, I’ll have to open and change the spring to get a 9 bar. That’s what I meant. The bar have no relation to boilergate.
Whole Latte Love in the US is a huge on line retailer. They reportedly are replacing boiler gate machines if there is a problem. 6 months ago I bought a 2019 model and it is great. I also bought a refurbished La San Marco commercial grinder. It is a great combo.
I called Gaggia the other day to order a classic pro in blue but they said they were out of stock until the end of July, the person said it was better I wait because they will be shipping an improved model called the Classic Evo. They're European website shows the new Evo but no Classic Pro. Anyone know anything about this?
@@skytrooper506 they’ve been available since the end of March, although if companies have old stock they will send this out first. Unless it’s advertised as the evo or pro 2023, it’s likely to be the older 2019 model
Coatings can't be made of PFAS, they are an industrial residue from producing other coatings. People living down river from factories and eating from farms that use that water need to worry, not consumers of things that are already manufactured.
There’s not a lot of difference between the brass and the new solid stainless steel one. They are both far better than the old lightweight one in the older machines
I use quality natural spring water from bottle . I never used tap water. I think I dont need this . I need Gaggia pro with pid and adjustable ovp. Waiting that model to upgrade.
where has the chrome coating worn away on the older model you show? As i'm sure you are aware brass is quite soft so a chrome coating provides extra strength while keeping the thermal properties of brass. As for the Coating, much like other non stick coatings like Teflon, this will release toxic chemicals which will be ingested by the coffee drinker. To me this looks like a cost cutting measure with Billy Bullshit from accounts at Gaggia trying to spin these changes as an upgrade.
@@TheHomeBaristas do you mean worn or just tarnished? I was looking at buying one of these but was unsure on the 2019 model at 430 or the 2023 model at 500.
Why buy this ancient tech and spend a few hundred more modifying it and voiding your warranty when you can get a great machine for just under 1k with a PID
@@David-pn1bc lelit is pretty decent you can get with pid even grinder too around 500 600. Which comes to the very cheaper and functional. But only problem is group head is 57mm and not 58mm. So you are not going to be able to get VST basket.
Yeah I feel myself crazy. The first day machine came and I didn't even try to turn it on. Directly installed the pid and opv 😂. At this point I am just hoping everything goes fine.
I use a Gaggia and it is a disappointment. It's underpowered if you make more than a couple of espresso drinks. It takes a long time to steam up milk for a 10oz drink. The espresso itself is ok. Overall, for the price, I would spend a few hundred dollars more and buy a Rancilio Silvia which is more capable as it has much more power. The Rancilio porta filter is commercial quality, the frothing wand is capable of steaming a pitcher of milk in about 20 seconds. I never regret getting the Rancilio.
Thanks for the video, I greatly appreciate you taking it apart so we could see the changes for ourselves.
Just bought the classic. The evo model is about 120 euro more expensive. From the video I just watch i think I made a good choice. Water quality in my area is really good so no limescale is expected. With the saved money I bought a good quality manual grinder. Thank you for such a detailed informational video.
Really wish they redesign the notoriously leaky steam wand.
They did. Warranty replaced with new one.
The way the water interacts with the coffee grinds is identical to all the previous models ☕👍😉
Great video and analysis...! I have my GCP (previous version) with the PID and OPV mods. I also upgraded to the brass dispersion plate, IMS screen and bottomless portifilter. I would love a pressure gauge; so if it had that, i would just swap everything over and call it a day. The GCP is the best learning and durable espresso machine out there. I've never had a problem with mine. Too bad they don't sell parts though; I would buy that boiler in a second!
They’re fabulous machines. Love mine too
Yeah sadly I just bought 2019 a week ago because I've seen some review saying it's not much of a difference. After seeing this video I wish I spent 70 more and get evo instead of 2019. Anyway still enjoying and trying new features with my machine tho. I did the all same upgrades. Thinking to do gauge and the dimmer as well maybe later on. What bottomless portafilter would you recommend? I wanted to get one on amazon but some reviews state it does not fit well. Many thanks
@@ahmetzyc do you want the link? Mine worked perfectly.
@@dirkl216 did you find it? Send it please, thanks a lot.
I opened the box, and my first question was What's it look like inside? Before I even tried it out, I wanted to know what it was made out of. Thanks for posting, I don't have to void my warrantee to see the lime lining. It's nice to see that Gaggia pretty much makes it exactly the same, just better.
Beware of a new added switch wiring. Although this model and a few others I’ve received have the same switch wiring as the original pro, I believe they will soon migrate to a different wiring setup behind the switches.
Maybe use coffee roasted within a month. Upgrade a grinder a 4-500 one to pair your gcp. Did you have a 9 bar spring installed?
Is that grouphead available to buy separately? I've just bought the boiler for my old classic but wondered if I could upgrade with a brass group.
Has the boiler capacity been increased to 140ml?
Great video. I wish they upgraded the boiler to stainless steel instead of using aluminum or even more harmful coating chemicals.
This is my concern and why I'm not sure what machine yo buy. Breville and delonghi are stainless steel
Hmm. Not sure about the non-stick! Still delighted with my 2004 model which you helped me with!
Why?
@@MegaBre the boiler coating flakes off real bad. lots of evo owners experiencing this problem
Gaggia has dropped this coating on all new machines. The boiler is back to aluminum.
And still didn't give us a ball jointed steam wand 😢..Anyway how do you like that Kitchenaid (Gaggia) dual boiler you have there in the background?
Great video, it would be nice to see it in action. I just got mine today and I have noticed that the power switch isnt really a switch more like a button now with the switch style.
If it's the same springy button as my 2019 pro, it's an easy fix. Remove the button from machine, then pop out the spring, then refit and not only do you now have a proper flick on/off but also it stops the machine switching itself off after 20 mins.
Oh all the changes they could have done , why in the world did they not add a texture on the steam valve knob. So its easier to grab and open.
If the Evo version came with a 1-2-3 type PID like the Lelit Mara X I would buy this machine in a heartbeat.
What about this pid?
www.thehomebaristas.co.uk/coffeemachines/gaggia-classic-customised-with-pid-gauge-dimmer-9-bar-pressure-spring
Hi I got an Evo end I noticed there is an extensive play when you remove the portafilter? did you have the same problem? look like the body of the machine is built with thiner metal?
I had a similar issue when I purchased a brand new classic pro in 2022. Turned out to be failed welding points on the plate that holds the boiler and the body together. It was basically free floating.
I got the machine replaced with a new one and the new machine was solid.
Great Video. Have you had the chance to check the opv spring? People are claiming that now it ships with a 9 bar spring!
WLL do ship with 9 bar in the US. I’m the only one that ships 9 bar in the UK
Excellent 👌🏼 comparing very useful indeed…
US version has 9 bar spring already installed, all have new brass group head with stainless surround instead of chrome.
the best video comparing them.. I just don't understand why I have not found it when searching... maybe try to change title because this is what many people try to find
If I may please ask, How can I determine the "New" Gaggia Classic Pro 2023 from older models? On Amazon their "Date First Available" reflects older dates, and I can not seem to find 2023 in any of the descriptions. Are the "Classic Color Vibes" something they just release for 2023, and that is how I can determine the model year? Thank you in advance for any information you can provide.
Hi, they should be promoted as 2023 or the evo model. If not, they are likely to be the previous version if the Classic pro. They also come in different colours.
If in the uk, I do supply the new 2023 models
@@TheHomeBaristas Thank You for the reply. I live in the U.S.A., and it is very difficult to determine if the machine is the updated 2023 model. I am messaging Gaggia hoping they will be able to shed some light on the subject. Thank you again.
Any idea on how long might it take before the new boiler and group can be bought as repair parts? I have an empty "Espresso Gaggia" unit that needs a boiler and group. I like the looks of the "Espresso" over the Classic (too appliance looking) and adding the pressure release feature of the Classic/Pro would be nice. I'd been planning on doing this with the available Classic Pro parts but the new group and boiler now have my interest.
aged well, lol
@@SkipSandwichDX1 Here it is after I got the parts I needed. I skipped out on waiting for the new non-stick boiler and group model.
ua-cam.com/video/d_aGi2L2fbs/v-deo.html
hello!1) yesterday I read in a blog that the portafilter is now made of stainless steel instead of brass. Is it good or bad? 2) I'm going to buy the first coffee maker, but I don't know which one to take 9480 (2019) or 9481 evo (2023)???
That’s good. It won’t peel and should last forever
A site selling the 2023 model shows that the spring is now 9 bar installed from the factory. Is that so?
I’m the only company that sells the machine with 9 bar. The rest sell with the 15 bar installed
Is it really far superior though? How do we know the durability of that coating at this point? I'd hate to be drinking that coating over the years.
As a user it’s hard to tell at this point, but the coating they’ve chosen is generally far more hard wearing when used in similar products according to the Gaggia people, hence why they made the change. Time will tell.
Perhaps they switched over from the old to the new boiler for matters of health as well… Yesterday I ordered the evo 2023 in lobster red, it will arrive tomorrow. I hesitated picking the older model in lobster red, which was available too, maybe it turns out to be wrong decision, only time will tell. Any way, thanks lot The Home Baristas for the outstanding video, which I found today.
@@alexanderkowollik3681 did have a peek inside the boiler to see what it's made of?
@@TheGroundedCoffee no i haven't. However this machine performs rediciously good. Heating is much faster than then the 2019 modell, but of course flushing is very important to reach the right temperature. Switching to steaming is also extremily fast for a single boiler (20 seconds). I wll check this tomorrow. The bottomline: this machine produces espresso ánd latte drinks like cappucino in the best possible way. And i'm not jocking...
Is it just me, or will this Brass to Aluminum group head cause Galvanic corrosion quicker than the previous model?
The new boiler is coated, so there is less galvanic corrosion compared to before. The dispersion plate being stainless is quite well compatibile with brass and will last long. I have a 3 years old stainless dispersion plate on my machine, still shining.
thank you for info !
New subscriber here keep it up!! If I was you I would employ S M Zeus!!
Hi!
Is the new boiler thermostat the same as the old one? Wondering if the pid-upgrades will work the same on this version.
Hi, yes same thermostats. I’ve already added a pid, dimmer and gauge to the 2023 model and it works a treat. However they may be changing the wiring loom behind the switches soon that may need some adaptation with some pid wiring systems
@@TheHomeBaristas Good! The wires can always be solved. Thermostat could be bigger problem if they changed that. Thanks for the answer!
So the boiler is still aluminum then?
Two questions:
- Is the coating of the boiler made of Teflon?
- Does the 2023 model come in stainless steel color (no color)?
Hi, I believe the coating is not Teflon, but awaiting confirmation. They are producing the silver in the 2023 model. If interested get in touch
Based on unverified source: "the aluminum boiler has a protective coating of Exelia 3010-B242 on the inside. The protective layer is very hard, very dense, very resistant to abrasion and deposits and also very temperature-stable. The polymers withstand temperatures of up to 300 °C and prevent the coated material from being washed out. " Exelia seems to be produced by an Italian company. According to their website: "EXELIA 3010: Coating with low friction coefficient in addition to anti-stick property and high temperature resistance."
@@TheHomeBaristas Could you share the official info about the coating once Gaggia confirms
I looked it up and it is a food safe coating approved by the US fda
when the FDA says something is food safe, does that literally mean that we could ingest a large amount of it without any issue? Serious question.@@sunrise-vx5ld
Is the EVO better? Is it worth it over the normal Pro?
The pro will be phased out once stock is sold. They’re only making the new eco now
Why not a stainless steal boiler?
Gaggia is the only brand using an aluminium boiler.
Surely a let down
De'Longhi is using an stainless steal boiler in all their espresso machines even in the cheaper ones.
Retro-compatibility. A stainless boiler would require a completely different heating system, and would make the machine much more expensive.
Stainless steel is a horrendous heat conductor. That's why induction pans have a copper layer in the base. Aluminium is much better.
@@jtlon1
High end brands of espresso machines like
Marzocco and ECM are using stainless steal boilers for their espresso machines because it's the best choice.
And delivering the best tasting espresso's.
Hi there.
Did you get the boilergate problem?
I'd like to order the Evo without the issue. Any idea how to do that?
@@robinlawson69
No.
It’s very new. They have just discovered the problem.
I have returned mine and got the old classic model. The main problem is the 15/13 bar spring. I’ll have to get a 9 bar spring.
@@DelReiRock Boilergate has nothing to do with which spring is in the machine, the problem is just as big in the USA where the machine comes with a 9 bar spring mounted in the factory or 12 bar machines in, for example, the EU!
It's total nonsense, who said this, Gaggia?
@@dejedejsson
That’s not what I meant.
I bought an EVO. EVO comes with 9 bar spring. But because of boilergate problem I returned it and got the classic pro, that comes with that 13/15 bar spring. So, I’ll have to open and change the spring to get a 9 bar. That’s what I meant. The bar have no relation to boilergate.
Whole Latte Love in the US is a huge on line retailer. They reportedly are replacing boiler gate machines if there is a problem. 6 months ago I bought a 2019 model and it is great. I also bought a refurbished La San Marco commercial grinder. It is a great combo.
I called Gaggia the other day to order a classic pro in blue but they said they were out of stock until the end of July, the person said it was better I wait because they will be shipping an improved model called the Classic Evo. They're European website shows the new Evo but no Classic Pro. Anyone know anything about this?
The model in this video is the new evo pro
@@TheHomeBaristas do you know how long the Evo has been available in Europe? The improvements seem worth waiting for.
@@skytrooper506 they’ve been available since the end of March, although if companies have old stock they will send this out first. Unless it’s advertised as the evo or pro 2023, it’s likely to be the older 2019 model
@@TheHomeBaristas thanks!
Congrats for video! Nothing about the new SS portfilter?
I kept it on the machine alone this time.
Is the new steel group head compatible with the 2019 version?
Yes, but the new one is brass. Exactly the Same size though
@@TheHomeBaristas will the new golden brass head fit a 2019 machine which doesn't have that stainless "sleeve" on the body?
@@raffaello6787looks like it will fit through the hole but will change the looks a little
What's the non-stick lining made of? PFAS?
Coatings can't be made of PFAS, they are an industrial residue from producing other coatings. People living down river from factories and eating from farms that use that water need to worry, not consumers of things that are already manufactured.
@@thejoetandy then perhaps the better question is about how these linings are produced, given the health hazards of PFAS.
In North America you get the 9 bar opv by default. 🙂☕️
Gaggia has dropped this coating on all new machines. The boiler is back to aluminum.
I'm surprised they did not provide a brass dispersion plate
There’s not a lot of difference between the brass and the new solid stainless steel one. They are both far better than the old lightweight one in the older machines
I use quality natural spring water from bottle . I never used tap water. I think I dont need this . I need Gaggia pro with pid and adjustable ovp. Waiting that model to upgrade.
Better yet would be if they'd incorporate the "Gaggiuino" mod.
www.thehomebaristas.co.uk/coffeemachines/gaggia-classic-customised-with-pid-gauge-dimmer-9-bar-pressure-spring
they should replace rubber feet. It lives dark mark on white countertop . It is not acceptable .
where has the chrome coating worn away on the older model you show? As i'm sure you are aware brass is quite soft so a chrome coating provides extra strength while keeping the thermal properties of brass. As for the Coating, much like other non stick coatings like Teflon, this will release toxic chemicals which will be ingested by the coffee drinker.
To me this looks like a cost cutting measure with Billy Bullshit from accounts at Gaggia trying to spin these changes as an upgrade.
In many of the 2019 models the chrome coating does become worn. So this new plate will help. In the pre2015 models this was never an issue.
@@TheHomeBaristas do you mean worn or just tarnished? I was looking at buying one of these but was unsure on the 2019 model at 430 or the 2023 model at 500.
Where too buy ...thanks nice video
Www.thehomebaristas.co.uk
This video with lasting longer boiler coating didn’t age very well #boilergate
Far far superior... the new boiler... what a laugh Gaggia.
Why buy this ancient tech and spend a few hundred more modifying it and voiding your warranty when you can get a great machine for just under 1k with a PID
Hello, what machine with a pid do you advice please under 1k?
@@David-pn1bc profitec go or lelit victoria
@@David-pn1bc lelit is pretty decent you can get with pid even grinder too around 500 600. Which comes to the very cheaper and functional. But only problem is group head is 57mm and not 58mm. So you are not going to be able to get VST basket.
Yeah I feel myself crazy. The first day machine came and I didn't even try to turn it on. Directly installed the pid and opv 😂. At this point I am just hoping everything goes fine.
@@David-pn1bcProfitec go, Lelit Victoria
nonstick coating and water to soak all the goodness. no thanks I like the sticky business better.
I use a Gaggia and it is a disappointment. It's underpowered if you make more than a couple of espresso drinks. It takes a long time to steam up milk for a 10oz drink. The espresso itself is ok. Overall, for the price, I would spend a few hundred dollars more and buy a Rancilio Silvia which is more capable as it has much more power. The Rancilio porta filter is commercial quality, the frothing wand is capable of steaming a pitcher of milk in about 20 seconds. I never regret getting the Rancilio.
I am glad I found this video forever cemicals exist in the boiler in the non stick material. I would rather have limescale.