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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Pio solver analysis of Triton Super High Roller Hand Between LLinus LLove and Sam Greenwood
(excuse the mixups between calling/checking and betting/raising, still getting used to this youtube thing)
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For most of us who can't afford piosolver, thank you sir!
it's like two computers playing vs each other
Bro these videos are next level amazing.They're almost too good for me to want other people to see them. Thanks a billion.
By far the best hand analysis video I've seen.
Linus knows Sam has to raise a lot of 8x for value but thinks Sam won't call as much 8x as he should vs a bluff, so Linus does shift his strategy to exploitative and gets the bluff through. The ability to instantly go from theory based to explo like that is some god tier poker playing. Easy to see it after studying a sim for a while but in game is really impressive.
Nice video. Keep up the Linus vids these are sick!
Absolutely love your videos! Well thought out and extremely informative. One thing I personally would enjoy is a portion of the videos being dedicated to setting up your tree. I'm relatively new to Pio and think we could benefit from you talking about setting up your trees before in depth analysis.
Just an advice. When pio uses a different strategy like it uses a different size on thr turn you might want to nodelock or run a new sim, forcing pio to use the sizing that was actually used if you want to evaluate further action. Also i noticed you turned off display proportional to weight on river, but when making low frequency plays you should kinda know with how many combos of that holding you are supposed to get there.
Philipp Lembens what does it mean when some of the squares are have gray and half color. I’m guessing this has to do with the “weight” but I don’t know what that means.
@@djsez801 The whole square is 100% of the time, the grey reprensents the times you don't have this holding in this spot after all the action. The other color is the times you have this holding and what you do then.
I'm going to join the long chorus of compliments - both are awesome videos. Please keep making these!
I think, for me, this is the best PIO/solver analysis video I have ever seen. Thanks a lot!
Sweet channel mate, glad it popped up in my recommended list. Keep it up!
Well he's not adjusting his strategy with the re-raise on the river, simply going down a different branch of the already established strategy. You also mention the small river bet inducing raises which makes your life difficult but this isn't a problem because he will be balancing this size with enough 9x as well.
On the turn PIO whats to donk with a large size the 9x. so when you choose the small size pio will not have any trips on the BB range, thats why there is so many reraise by the Button.
Nice work, great video and very interesting comment on why Pio bets 9’s but checks over pairs. I sub.
Please make more videos my friend. Learning ton of things here.
I think the keypoint of the river move of Linus was the turn small lead size and the lack of the raise of Greenwood. Green should have had a big 3bet freq on the Turn and with the call he had capped himself a LOT!!!
Crazy how good both of them are
linus is a beast !! really great video dude. i'd love to see more of it
oh that dude got his shit together, i mean all of them who playin on that table, but he rly knows what he is doin. he studyed that shit rly intense and got great anticipation.
Hey man, I'm really liking these videos, nice work!
Is there anyone else online that does pio videos this well? Great content btw.
Not that much, which is why I made this channel! There is a guy named piodoc that has some vids as well.
Awesome stuff, next time you should show the sizings you ran the sim with so we have the full picture of each player’s option within the sim
Good point
He thinks that he thinks that he thinks. LLinus makes the opposite for bluff and plays as pio(explorative) when he has value. Brilhant mindset for this mtt level.
Loving these videos bro.
Thank you for making them.
Really nice video. Keep 'em coming. Subscribed :)
Couple of ideas -
1. Pls assign turn overbet to BB - say 150% pot as a strategy too. I would assume this is a really good overbet spot for BB.
2. IP Turn raise w range seems wierd. Maybe add ALL IN option on the turn to the OOP player.
3. Also toggle at times - Squares proportional to weight - so that we can see range clearly. Will show a better picture
Cheers!
Thanks. Yes ideally I add more options into the input, but unfortunately I am limited by RAM bc I am on my laptop. I have to cut down inputs pretty significantly especially when we are dealing with wider ranges like BB. So of course, everything should be taken with a grain of salt. I will def try to show more of the proportional squares. Sometimes I unclick because it becomes hard to see the strategies.
Just found this channel and gone through all the videos from the start. Fantastic analysis.
loving these videos, can't wait for more!
Love the vids man. Seriously, playing poker sans a solver seems to be burning money.
Great vid, guys! Awesome analysis. LLinus is really a fantastic player and getting to know what is behind his thoughts is fabulous! Tks a lot!!!
Postle would of 4-bet shoved river with Sam's hand for value.
Amazing video. Hope you keep doing this sick stuff. Respect from Russia.
wow, this just blew my mind what a video mate...
It can work on very high level. In smaller tournaments J8 bet flop and 62 fold ( or fold even pre). The end of this story,Pretty simple.
But interesting analysis.
yeah, i normally cbet paired boards....
The idea being:
Learn what the estimated gto strategy would be (I use the term estimated because we are always making assumptions regards ranges and Pio's results will differ with different assumptions.
Learn how the gto range is constructed, how certain parts of it grow or contract depending on the cbet frequency. Understand what the next combo to bet would be if the cbet frequency is a little higher.
Once you can do that, you can start adjusting PROPERLY. Not random, this guy folds too much so I will bet some more random combos to exploit. No, know how to add extra cbet combos correctly.
Now you can start exploiting peoples deviations in an organised, correct way.
GLGL
@@FindingEquilibrium Some paired boards are low/medium cbet boards. It really depends on who holds the most trips. (EDIT: Nut advantage)
For example, BU vs BB 30bb effective, 766 flop is not a high cbet frequency.
I suspect the reason people generally find it ok to overcbet paired flops is because the OOP x/r strategy is almost never correctly implemented. Some boards have a x/r strategy of 40%, which is just pure fantasy against most player!
I agree paired boards are not 100% cbet. In my experience though since the board is compressed, the person with the range advantage pre will continue to have the range advantage post because both players will have a lot of whiffs. Of course this is not always the case.
Great video! Thank you for sharing!
Linus uses a lot that strategy...blockbet the river with his bottom and middle pair.He knows those sizes induce player to raise at a very high frequency with a lot of their range including total garbage and marginal second pairs and top pairs ...then he just 3 bets bluff the fuck out of them of those hands and even calls them (correctly).What a fucking boss!!!
with bottom pair!
Assuming Greenwood and Linus know these spots incredibly well, OTT wouldnt Linus use a smaller size to represent less combos of bottom pair? Or would he simply just do what the solver recommends as GTO and be more face up?
Also I dont understand why 62 spades are higher EV than 62 clubs when spades obv blocks some combos of bdfd
Backdoor flush is irrelevant. No money went in on the flop. But still not sure why one would be higher ev than the other.
Yeah there are these small EV and equity difference that PIO shows that I think are very hard to understand. Ive noticed that for whatever reason holding one of the suits on the board will sometimes be higher EV even with no flush draw possible. It may just be some meta game the solver is playing against itself with blockers or unblockers. I generally ignore these tiny differences or the game becomes too complex imo. In terms of the sizing, I think its a situation where the solver bets the "value" of the hand. Yes you end up representing less combos but it should be balanced by adding some nut hands to this sizing (e.g A9o). As long as you have some combos of varying strength hands with the same sizing (even at low frequency) I think it makes it difficult for the opponent to read.
Cool video. I don't use PIO, I use GTO+ but I notice the difference in EV between your decisions is quite large (called dEV in GTO+, not sure what its called in PIO). By definition the GTO strategy should have the identical EV across any decision have so your comment at 5:14 is redundant. Have you tried running these solutions at a finer dEV, often the solutions become a whole lot less mixed when and the solution will clearly favour one decision.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by running the solutions at a finer dEV?
@@FindingEquilibrium I believe in PIO it is expressed as "exploitable for x% of the pot". Hes asking if you tried running the sim longer such that the solution given is only exploitable for a very small percentage of the pot.
oh. I usually do 0.5%. But I should probably do 0.25% or lower for these vids.
Llinus is a beast jesus
is it possible the solver doesn't bet the over pairs partly because it doesn't want to bet into a 9 holding from the other player, since the OOP would be checking all of his 9's? I know that is maybe too simple an explanation, but can't that still be true? I just wonder that we might be sometimes overcomplicating PIO's reasoning. What happens if the OOP then decides to come over the top and barrel, knowing the IP is unlikely to have a 9? thanks
Yes of course that can be true. the solvers don't actually think or have reasoning so my opinions are just speculations. But on this board the overpairs have around 80% equity. In my experience the solver will not check to pot control simply because it does not hold the nuts, especially when the ranges are wider, and it will tend to bet for value without the nuts if it is likely the opponent can call with a wide range of weaker holdings (even if villain has stronger holdings). There are many sims where the absolute nuts will be checked so its clear that the solver does have a checking range for its strong hands.
They said GTO play was boring....where the feel players who 3b overpairs on the river at?
Great content sir, keep up good work!!
10:21 what you say here is true for most players, but Linus' strategy used to be based on that river block bet followed by very marginal bluff catches. I guess he felt people were greatly overbluffing there in the mid-high stakes. Not so much in 5k+ until they caught up, Linus is a lot more balanced, but he's definitely capable of block betting with the intention of hero calling. Fucking insane this guy.
Please more btw, this videos are awesome!!
Yeah I wonder if Linus thought that there is some percentage where Sam was raising as a bluff there but Linus decided to 3b anyway instead of hero calling in case Sam was raising for value.
another awesome video! when are you releasing your training course? ;-) Im in!
Love the videos man! Keep them coming
3:02 for betting all the 9's: Could this have to do with the fact that the BB has all 9's in their range, so they could bluff raise at a higher frequency vs a c-bet? So there is almost a bet to induce factor? I am new to the solver, but surely not new to getting raised by the BB whenever this board comes. Your previous video the 442A6 (49 foxen vs AT iirc ) seemed to touch on this
Loved both of your videos... keep making them ; )
It's not blockers > protection. Card removal is directly linked to protection. AA doesnt need as much protection and also blocks the hands that might call us. Whereas JJ is bet more frequently because it needs more protection and unblocks overs. Protection has an extreme impact on betting volume. But there are competing forces. 9x's EV comes from piling in money on all streets especially being OOP
AA doesnt need as much protection as trip 9s?
@@FindingEquilibrium when I say AA doesnt need as much protection I'm saying in comparison to other parts of his range, not specifically 9x. 9x needs even less protection but that alone doesnt make it a good X over a bet.
Do you offer Pio coaching?
No. I'm still learning myself and don't hold myself out to be an expert. My goal is to allow the players and PIO do most of the analysis and I just add my two cents.
Top notch, thanks for sharing
Nice channel, totally professional. I have one question about using solvers - it appears to me that it only makes sense to use them if you are playing against a player who is also trying to play like solver. So should I be caring about GTO at all, playing levels below NL200 or something?
Playing a theory based strategy will work against any level of player over an infinite amount of hands. You can make slight adjustments based on the perceived skill level of your opponents, but ultimately the strategy will win.
My personal opinion is that players should start learning and using GTO from the very beginning. You may not maximize value but unless you have a concrete read on someone, to me it is best to use a balanced/unexploitable style.
These videos have really helped me realise how much I suck at poker
Really great stuff pal, nice analysis. Thanks for sharing
what a world class checkraise
Sams raise with the J8 on the river?Is this is value raise or some kind of bluff,like what worse hands are calling him,if he thinks Linus is bluffing then why not just call.This high level stuff confuses me;-)
Incredible Video! I subbed! Looking forward to more videos!
Why is A9 always raising Linus 3bet on the River? He will not get him to lay down a better hand, which are only full houses.
I would like to see how many combos Linus will call the reraise with? Whats the percent of calling the reraise (most likely allin) with k9?
Really nice Video btw. Love the way you explaining and how u can handle the PioSolver, needs a lot of practice.
Nice video. Is it possible to analyse a plo hand this way in a future video?
I would but I do not play plo. Sorry.
Great analysis. Keep the good work!
Congrats for your channel!!! One question, pio solver application needs to be bought once and you own it for ever or you need to renew it every year for the same price they give in pio solver site.??
You state LinusLove calls with perhaps his entire range from BB when defending from a button open and state the justification to him defending with his entire range is that he is unique and has a post flop edge against the entire population. But the reasoning that he is calling wider in these spots isn't justification for him having the ability to play entire ranges. reverse implied odds are reverse implied odds. If he's defending with For example with more 9x holdings, lets say 94+, he is opening up the door to be beat more often on a 9 high flop because his opponent has him dominated and isnt playing worse 9's then him. He loses in these spots at least 2 streets of value MORE then he makes 2pair which have a higher probability of losing to better 2pairs or being counterfeited by the board pairing with a higher value card. Even Phil Ivey doesnt defend his entire range on the BB from a button open. Based on the increase in reverse implied odds by being dominated he cannot sucessfully defend his entire range and be a profitable player unless he is PotRipper on Unibet poker. I'm not taking anything away from LinusLove I totally understand he is the most elite online cash player, but you are exaggerating his skillset and explaining to us that he defends his entire range on the BB from a button open, when LinusLove himself would likely object to your statement. You have excellent videos I enjpy your analysis and they could be even better if you didn't exaggerate his skillset and make those assumptions because the math of the cards never lies if I defend my entire range Im hoping that Im running better than the player on the button. Bluffing at the frequency required to allow yoirself an edge by playing your entire range from the BB when facing a button open would be too high and fishy, and folding a dominated hand would also be far too difficult (if button is capable of 3 barrel bluffs which we assume they are at these levels). Overall you will be -EV losing here if defending your entire BB range facing button opens. No one is good enough to do that.
great videos, keep'em coming!
GREAT VIDEO, ONE OF THE BEST ON UA-cam! KEEP DOING IT
Beautiful content. I love these videos but I don't want others to watch it.
Such a fucking beautiful video man. Makes me wish online poker wasnt dead! Just beautiful
well, its not dead?
Bovada is lit man. And a lot of regs think it's "dead", so you're up against a lot of rec players and sports bettors.
great video buddy, keep it up!
Love the video, thank you!!
Great video do piosolver work for tournaments?
are the last two parts of Linus' hand analysis on the BU range or am I just high
actually i think its just all the over cards in his range that confused me
all about balance... nice move on the river.. very few players can do that
Great video !
do you have 3b enabled for turn? that’s possibly why it’s raising most of its range ip
Good point. I don't think I had that clicked due to memory issues.
@@FindingEquilibrium would be very interesting to see the difference. do u mind showing ur tree build next video?
It may be out of place in next video, but I will try to run again to see.
i guess studying pio for 6months 12hours a day paid off for llinus, what an fucking endboss.
Best poker break down up to date🤘
Thanks for the free Content sick value to unterstand poker theory a lot better
Where did you say you’re getting the ranges from please?
www.pokersnowie.com/. It is a nlh training module where you can practice against bots that play "pseudo GTO". It will give you ranges to open, call, 3b, fold etc with based on positions, stack sizes, bet sizes etc. It only goes up to .5 ante though and the general consensus is that pokersnowie bots play much tighter than real people do so I would take it with a grain of salt. However I think its a good starting point.
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Love the videos! I think this video could have been improved however with including overbet sizes, especially OTT. I suspect the reason it only uses pot size bets on the turn is because you did not allow it to overbet so it just puts all bets into the pot sizing. If you allowed it to overbet, I would suspect it would also use more block-bets.
Hi, what software do you recommend for figuring out preflop ranges? I've used pokersnowie in the past, but wasn't sure if its still one of the better softwares for this analysis.
Simple Preflop. It is the only software available that can solve mutiway preflop on most standard computers. You can get 10% off with this link: simplepoker.com/en/Solutions/Simple_Preflop_Holdem?partner=gtocheck
Just stumbled upon your channel today. You are a really good speaker and explain things very well.
Great video! Thank you
hey man, great videos as always. if u could share any information on how i can work on pio in a very efficient way that would be awesome. i basically bought the pro version 2.5years ago and havent used it since then. the amount of i formation in it is a bit intimidating to me
I don't know if its the most efficient method, but what I do is I run a tricky hand I played in PIO, but instead of focusing on my specific holding, I look at every segment of the range using range explorer, not just for hero but also for villain. So for example, I look at the strategy for fullhouses, flushes, straights, sets, 2 pair, top pair, middle pair, bottom pair, Ace high, draws and air on each street for both hero and villain and then I take notes in a spreadsheet and ask the question "why". Its a bit tedious and takes like 20-30 min per hand, but instead of analyzing 1 hand, its like analyzing 100 hands. And after doing this a number of times you start to detect patterns in how PIO is playing, which I then try to translate into "rules" or "factors" that can be applied to real life play.
@@FindingEquilibrium Stunning videos. How does Snowie or HoldEmResources compare to PIO in terms of strategies offered? Quite similar? Much different?
@@FindingEquilibrium thanks for your reply, ill try it out if i dont fall asleep after 10 minutes of work into it hahaha. ive also seen somewhere on youtube the other way of studying in pio which is running random flops and guessing your equity or something like that. if thats a good way or learning could you please show us the noobs a video about it too.
best free poker content out there, keep it going please :)
Best channel on UA-cam!
Looking at the sim is pretty much pointless from the point on where Linus bets small OTT. This node is so rarely used that the results further down are not very accurate, because they have not converged (unless you solved to a ridiculously high accuracy but probably even then).
NIce video, good luck with your channel.
Great One ! TY !
I love these videos. Fastest sub of my life.
could you make one of linus' bustout hand?
Next vid is lined up, but I will take a look at that hand.
@@FindingEquilibrium thx man. An other question: for what cashgame limit would you recommend to start usind pio. I currently play 10NLz
It may not be a popular opinion, but i think pio can and should be used beginning at the very lowest stakes. To maximize profit you can maybe cleave off some of the bluffing and calling range from GTO but pio will give you the sense of what the "appropriate" play is in any given spot which I think should serve as the foundation for any player.
@@FindingEquilibrium ok i will consider buying it. The basic version should be enough. What stakes are you playing btw?
still low stakes myself. usually 1-2 online and live.
please do more videos like that, please please
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is there more channels doing analisys like this?
please tell me the channel lol
6:40 Isn't it favoring a pot-size bet almost all the time? Or am I color-blind? :D
For most of the range yes, but for 62c in particular, pio shows check 95%, 1/4p 1.9%, 1/2p 2.5% and 1p 0.5%
@@FindingEquilibrium Thanks for your reply, now I understand how to read the solver! Keep up the good work!
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Nice vid bro.. whats the name of the program?
pio solver
more LLinus, you could also just rail some online and make vids of those hands too
Yeah, there are definitely some crazy online hands of his that could be analyzed. Though I am wondering if people will like them as much as they like the live game analysis.
@@FindingEquilibrium personally i would like them even more, those are his bread and butter stacksizes, and against better opponents
His pupils in the thumbnail 😂
is he on something???
Is It GTO wouldn’t be the first or be the last lol
A great video, thanks!
solver is betting all 9x ip because OOP has plenty weaker 9x that we get to stack. PIO doesn't care for balance, he cares for highest EV play only. TT+ are checking back as it's really important for OOP to hit dominated pair on turn w virtually no equity that we get some value out. cheers
when BB leads for 33% ott he doesn't have any 9x in his range therefore we raise overpairs and ahighs for both value and protection in that weird solver world :)
But how does that explain most OP checking? Seems like in almost all sims there will be strong hands in the checking range unless its a 100% cbet board.
they need least protection and they benefit from OOPs 'air' picking some lil equity on turns but when we bet the flop they're just outright folding
like, value from hands that virtually have 0% equity vs our QQ for example >>>> than protection QQ needs from Ax and Kx hands
that's not case in every spot obv., AA are most frequent check ever obv as it's really good to let opponent to hit some equity and it needs very lil protection
Keep making videos man
LLinus have a piosolveir in his head
Thanks for the video