I built one of these with a 4650G to serve as a homelab server. Put a Noctua cooler in there, an M2 SSD and 32gb of RAM and it's a completely silent Proxmox server. Couldn't be happier with it.
You can get desktop xeons for pretty cheap if all you want to is run a server. I cannot imagine the market for these things. Its doesn't fall into any market except for those who have too much money to spare.
@@TheFinalRevelation1 You my friend are forgetting all the people that don't have space for a rack and run a small home server in their living room. A good silence/power tradeoff is needed in these situations 😉
@@TheFinalRevelation1 I live in an apartment, I don't have anywhere to put a screaming Xeon R720. Like sure it'd be 1/3 the price I spent but where would I put it?
Most emulation barely touches the GPU, and is incredibly CPU bound, so despite its middling performance on PC gaming, this should be an absolute emulation powerhouse.
I know I'm late to the show but I recently snatched brand new Lenovo M75q gen2 (which you tested) but with R7 4750G. Threw 32 gigs of RAM @3200MHz in it and it's running smooth like silk. No app is too demanding, no task is too heavy. Haven't tried gaming on it yet. All in all I'm super happy with both Lenovo mini PC and 4750G APU.
Hi! What about the noise level on the m75q? Is the machine loud when working/watching youtube? I am trying to decide between m75q gen2 and the x300 build
@@wbio When doing light work like MS office, browsing, youtube, watching vids on stream platforms, etc its basically noiseless. I don't even notice it. But when I play some games (vega 8 is decent for some light gaming) thats when you start hearing vents spin and noise level rises.
Just finished a 4600g version of this and this is such a bargain. Buying an ITX motherboard, PSU, and case would probably run me double the price I paid for the barebones kit. It's weird getting a bargain for a SFF PC when usually you pay a premium. Love it.
I built this exact PC, based on your video's info. It was actually my first "at home build." I was very careful to follow your instructions exactly. No real problems with the build except for the leads on the WiFi card, but finally got them done to my satisfaction. I was SO EXCITED... but then SO disappointed when it wouldn't power on so I could load my OS, grab the updates and install other software. I confirmed the power adapter is functional with a multimeter. I'm suspecting a bad power switch... GRRRRR!!! :-(
Loving the performance of the 4750G, can't believe its doing all this without a dedicated GPU...Appreciate your efforts with this video, Thanks for Uploading lol
@@kevinjahir18 You could probably find used 2400g less than $100 and iGPU speed nearly the same because of the ram bottleneck. I just put together a machine with it and it runs emulators really nicely.
@@mefjupl8679: I recently saw a video on "Low Spec Gamer" YT channel with a similar SFF build although it wasn't with this New Ryzen it had a dedicated 1050Ti GPU - you may want to check it out if you're interested...
God bless you for these videos bro. You really showing we don't need beast systems to play most games. Also I started building these small pc and building bigger PCs for friends
Recently build myself a Ryzen 7 pro 4750g and this x300. Specifically for use with Linux. It runs like a charm, very powerful and the cpu was €339 for me via retail channel. The overpriced for what you get in my opinion only holds water if gaming is a concern. When I game it's older titles. This is hands down the best small size computer.
Very interesting build, especially now, when every youtuber considers it his duty to shove a 30 series video card in anything, because, in their opinion, they apparently grow on trees and getting them is no more difficult than throwing out a garbage bag.
I know you said its not worth the money for the build, but personally i think it is, and the fact that its that small is fuckin phenomenal, i may just build it, thank you for this
Thank you for the Plex 4K test on this, I've gone for this APU for my Plex Server build and was more than happy to see it handle it. I've been using a 550 for my server and it just couldn't cope with it obviously.
Looks so sleek, I love small factor machines. This maybe smaller than a GameCube😁 Imagine how awesome the system AMD will deliver in the next 24 months, Zen 3/4 & RDNA 2/3 based APU’s, what a time to be a tech enthusiast💯👍
This is exactly the kind of build I want. I've loved having full sized desktops for about 10 years but I've moved apartments 4 times in those 10 years and will likely move again soon. Moving these things around is not fun.
I loved the small form-factor so much that I had to build one myself! Sometimes you pay for the smaller size. Thank you for sharing and keep up the great work!
Literally Everybody Else: RYZEN 5000! ETA PRIME: haha Ryzen 4750g go brrrrrr EDIT: In all seriousness though that performance is pretty freaking good! Please do emulation benchmarks
*THIS is why I just LOVE ASRock !* I like it so much, that I only buy ASRock products now, like my Motherboard ( ASRock B550 Pro4 ) and my GPU ( ASRock RX 6700XT Phantom Gaming ) I wish they made lots more, like an ASRock PSU, ASRock RAM, ASRock SSD, and even an ASRock liquid cooler with RGB fans ! *If it has the brand name "ASRock" I will buy it ALL !*
Money saving options if you're willing to compromise: Swap out both of those drives for a single 1TB Western Digital SN550 to save $35 Buy a Ryzen 5 Pro 4650G for $267 to save $73 =$591 He didn't include the cost of the low-profile cooler, which is unfortunately $45.
I just picked one up for my 3200G, it works great. One thing, don't bother buying the 2 port USB add-on unless you are using the included Deskmini cpu cooler. No way it fits with anything else, even a wraith stealth cooler won't work with the USB extension. Added 2x ripjaws 4GB DDR4 2400 and a 256GB NVME SSD, already had the 3200G, so I was all-in for $260 w/ the USB add-on. Amazing value. running Elementary OS Linux on it.
@@csl110 Havent followed development of CEMU for a while now. Didnt realize they had Vulkan support now. I tried it on my old 2400g and it was crap. But I guess 1080p 20-30fps is ok.
Very cool. About a year ago I built on the same platform to make a small desktop PC for my sister to use for school. I went with the 3200G, same ram, 500gb ssd and the Noctua NH-L9a cooler.
i just got mine a couple of weeks ago! Not using it for gaming, instead using it as an additional node in my kubernetes cluster. Its not super busy doing very much but that should change pretty quickly :) i'm really excited, i think this is going to be a very capable computer for a very long time :)
Thats insane! My mini dream machine would be a super lightweight portable arcade machine / PC. with a lapboard for a MK, and interchangeable with an arcade stick and trackball. side art, light-up marquee, led lights, the whole shebang...
for even better cooling performance, you shoudl turn the cpu cooler by 180°, so the heatpipes are on the right instead of the left, this will result in the sidepanel mesh lining up better with cooler. =)
Just done similar build using 5600g. It is a tight fit as IS-47 catches back power/led module,had to make sure no slack on cable and hooked on side panel. Fitted Noctua NF-A4x10 pwm as exhaust(double sided taped just above hdmi/DP inputs). NF-A4x20 should fit as well. Idle temps 38°. Only used Ryzen master to "auto overclock" and CineBench R23 gave MultiCore 11278 with temps 75° approx . The big change was to replace IS-47k fan with Noctua NF-A9x14 and reverse fan as intake(towards cpu) as with the heatsink tight to top made more sense to pull air in and let 40mm fan help as exhaust
Well you can put a cheap 3200g or 3400g in this i have the previous version with a 2400g i got second hand for 100 euro last year and it's just as amazing in games. 3000 series are better because of the memory optimisations. But it's not off by much.
@@sniperoth yeah, I'm sure, but I must be getting old, cuz all I wanna do is have an "indie" machine and/or switch over to Linux. I don't need a lot of power for that.
I built a system around a Ryzen 5 3400G based on a build you did on a Ryzen 3 3200G. I couldn't get the same case you used and I used a different 12V DC Adapter from Amazon. Still, I am very pleased with it. I use it as a Plex Media Server and Plex HTPC hooked up to my modest AV Receiver and TV. It also runs low end games fine. My wife and I like to play Overcooked on it. I use an Xbox 360 dongle so with the kids we have had 4 player couch co op going on. I use a Logitech K400 BT keyboard with touchpad to drive from the comfort of the couch. Overall, there is just something neat about a little PC in the living room.
Looks like this heatsink covers the optional USB port openings. I have the same case with the Noctua NH-L9a and it keeps my CPU super cool without obstructing the ports. The only thing is it butts up a bit against the VRM heatsink.
It's already been tested by many others with coolers with a similar heatsink-fan setup to have the fan draw air in instead of pushing air out. You drop at least 10°c - 15°c when you fix the fan orientation.
I love the idea of these super compact computers, but the performance you get for the price... unless you have money to burn these things are just insane. Same with the ultra small portable "laptop" style things from GPD. So much of that stuff looks great and I wouldn't mind having it, but I just can't justify the cost of those things to myself. For those that can, what can I say, enjoy!
I don't think 700$ is that expensive, considering the performance and the small form-factor, compared to an high-end Intel Nuc for example. To bad it hasn't a Vega 10 inside.
Yeah, I wish it had Vega 10 too. However, I read that even though it had only Vega 8 - the clock speed is much faster than the 3,000 series APU's. So from a graphics perspective, the performance in the 4,000 series APUs' Vega 8 is an improvement over the slower 3,000 series APUs' Vega 10/11. Could you imagine if they had the same Vega 10/11 cuda cores, but with the higher clock speeds? That would have been kick-ass. AMD is probably going to save that scenario for the next APU generation. Wish-list.
I own a lot of NUCs but after using them for few years, I decided to switch to a classic desktop, where I can replace any component to newer one and also replace VGA. IGPs were never meant to be plaed on, let's not cheat ourselves. The only positive side is that you can pack it into your backpack to carry with you, but.....what about display ? External displays are for sale now, but....why not to take laptop with you. tadaaaaa ! For those hesitating whether to buy it or not - try to sit in front of it, work a couple of hours, days, months with a heavier load....do you still like the noise of those fans ? :)
Can you imagine an APU from AMD with fully RX6000 series graphics right on the die? And Zen 3 (or even 4!) CPU? We might be seeing the end of the dedicated graphics card if things progress the way things are going! EXCITING!
incredible, I grew up learning on apple II's my mother had a kaypro 4..... I remember when a 486 was the cream of the crop and cost thousands.............I just saw today a outboard SSd that was 28 TB... what a wonderful time to be alive! I would be interested in seeing if it can run MSflight 2020. I really want a flight sim but GPU prices are insane now.
That is DENSE! It's amazing that we can build and entire PC this powerful about the size of a power supply; I think even smaller than an ATX power supply.
you get the same performance on a 2200g/3200g as long as you use at least b450 and fast memory and tune timings, my 2200g is faster then the 4750g in the video, i run cs go at higher avarages in 1080p, about 140. igpu overclocked to 1600 mhz and memory at 3466 cl14.
@@budgetking2591 i would go for the 3400g you can clock it to 1800mhz and the 3 CUs more make a real difference when using good ram, if you are lucky with the chip you can use 3600mhz ram. lower latency is also better of course
@@mhh3 i actually tried that and there is almost 0 difference, the 3 CU's extra do little to nothing, even af 8 CU's it's aleady memory bandwidh bottlenecked hard even at fast ram and timings.
It is a very nice case.... I am building a mini ITX and I have get a Ryzen 5 4654G (not supported by ASrock) but I prefer my set because I may update it one day! Thanx for the video!
Hey man thank you for the awesome small form factor builds. Im actually buying parts right now lol. It's gonna be similar to the one you did last year with the 3200g but with the Gigabyte X570 (I did wait for the B550i like you said in the video but its not compatible with the 3200 or the 3400). Keep it up the great videos man.
Would it? I've been playing RL since it came out on Xbox and feel like I've kinda capped due to the limitations of my first-gen Xbox one that's like 6 years old now lol
Lol, I've just built the same pc for my daily runner. My gaming pc uses too much power to run it all day, so I needed something lightweight for everyday use. But I went with the Ryzen 5 3400G, which has the Vega 11 graphics. Also, I just can't live without at least some RGB, so I paired it with a Coolermaster Masterair G200P, that has a RGB light with controller. It fits with lots of room to spare, plus its single RGB fan light is enough to light up the entire little case!! XD XD The cooler comes with a standard 3 pin plug for the fan, but the RGB sadly comes with only one male and one female molex connectors for the RGB power. So I found an old 3 pin fan, cut of the plug, leaving about 2" of wire to work with, cut off the 2 molex plugs, and soldered the 2 little RGB wires to the 12v and negative wires of the old fan. Of course you have to make sure you connect it correctly, and as the Coolermaster comes with black wires, which is aesthetically much better than ketchup and mustard wires, the negative wire has like, a light grey intermittent line running along it. So I connected that one to the black wire from the old fan plug, and the solid black one to the yellow wire of the old plug. Don't connect it to the red one, as that is the 5v wire. Then I just plugged in the fan connector into the 1st CPU fan socket, and the power for the RGB into the second CPU fan socket. And I have to say, it looks fantastic when running, plus the Coolermaster has absolutely no problem keeping the temps of the 65w CPU in check. It's even ASRock Polychrome sync compatible!! However, I have not yet tried to get that to work. I don't think it will, as the RGB is not running off a RGB header, but rather just a fan header. Anyway, I still had one problem, and that was where to put the controller for the RGB. Now after looking all over the case, I noticed at the back, it has a little fitting hole, that you can break open if you want to install an extra audio and mic adapter. But as I use HDMI, I don't need the audio, plus the case comes standard with these plugs on the front, if ever I should want to plug in a headset. And after some testing, I found that if I secured the controller on the inside of the case, just in the middle of that hole, I could easily press all three buttons as needed. So I glued it in place with a glue gun, as that damages nothing, it hardens really fast, and of course can be easily removed if ever I choose to do so. The only problem was that sometimes when I pressed it, because I used very little "glue", it would come away from the back, and get pushed inside the machine. So I opened it up again, and as the back of it was about half an inch from the side of the fan itself, I just cut a piece of black plastic, and hot glued it firmly in place, with the back having the solid support of the fan behind it. So no matter how hard you push now, it's not going anywhere. And once you close everything up, you can't see any of my handy gluing, and you can change the colors and programs and brightness all you want, without seeing anything except all the glorious RGB lighting. Hope this helps anybody else planning on using this brilliant little system, but needs some RGB in their lives as well. XD XD
A few questions: 1. How loud is the cooler at idle/cpu load/full load? This would be perfect for a mini audio recording PC to carry around if it can remain silent. 2. How does it compare with Noctua L9a and Alpenföhn black ridge? I understand that Alpenföhn is better than Noctua and not much more expensive. Thank you
you can always use fan speed app for this, acoustics for this type of coolers are ramping around 2700 I think, but the bearable one would be 2200 rpm or if noise is a problem, you can go for 1500 as it is already a decent speed to exhaust heat.
@@alwinnadela396 Yes, but I'm interested in the noise profile, because I would like to use this as a mobile audio DAW recorder and need as much silence as needed.... And when the CPU is 100% utilized, I need to be relatively quiet, not a mini storm.
Love it. I've hoarded a modded (de-shrouded) Wraith for 18 months in the hope I could pick up it's predecessor. It seems, not though, the X300 has more value to me if I rip the case off and use the stx board in an old school desk I'm swapping the lid for acrylic (nephew needs a streaming/homework PC). I can't seem to find any AM4 stx boards other than this, so I may be gutting one.
I have had Crysis on my computer for like 7 years now and my 980ti can barely run the original on 1080p. Its insane, its no wonder even more powerful cards have trouble with that game due to how poorly optimized it was.
@proton recuva "unless the leaks are wrong ddr5 will come togheter with rdna2" For APUs, yeah, but that's probably going to be a about half a year away, while RDNA2 is coming out on graphics cards next week.
This looks awesome for the size. A shame the 4750g is not more affordable. If a 5700g comes next year, with the 5600x/5800x performance in reviews it should be a beast of a small fotm factor build CPU
Thanks for this content. I was planning an itx-build with ryzen 4000 for my nephew's online class. i was having a hard time looking for vesa mounted case and power brick. this just solved it.
@@dan8t669 I wanna see the performance duhh that's why people wanna see review of the ryzen 3 3100 even tho the i9 10900k is out I wanna see what performance I might if I get the ryzen 5
I got this apu. It’s good. Ps3 full speed. Yuzu can hit 30fps in game for things like Mario odyssey, pokemon sword. Interested to see how much better the 4750g is
You should link that awesome heatsink in the description with the rest of the parts. It looks like it's available on Amazon. Does ryzen master let you overclock the cpu?
Actually it's tested to show any air movement over modules such as the vrm coolers or the ram has a benefit. Even if it's hot hair from the cpu, the fact that it's moving is better than stagnant warm air.
@@mhh3 oh dang why no rdna? i dont expect rdna2 for quite sometime cuz the new consoles just came out and that would undercut the new consoles. huh... guess i answered my own question lol. apus gonna look good in 2-3 years lol
i really like this 'cute' sized desktops. adds to the clutter-free table too.
All In One PCs do it better
Best form factor was Intel skull/hades canyon, slim and awesome, still waiting for smth similar on AMD.
If you have the time, money or both, USFF is an amazing consideration. Try looking at the channel Not From Concrete, they do USFF builds.
lol.... "clutter-free"... in my home any spot that opens on a counter is immediately filled.
Sadly, the price not liked me😂
I built one of these with a 4650G to serve as a homelab server. Put a Noctua cooler in there, an M2 SSD and 32gb of RAM and it's a completely silent Proxmox server. Couldn't be happier with it.
Where'd you snag your CPU? eBay?
@@ChrisPoterala Yep, got it off a German store on Ebay, hardwarestore2000
You can get desktop xeons for pretty cheap if all you want to is run a server. I cannot imagine the market for these things. Its doesn't fall into any market except for those who have too much money to spare.
@@TheFinalRevelation1 You my friend are forgetting all the people that don't have space for a rack and run a small home server in their living room. A good silence/power tradeoff is needed in these situations 😉
@@TheFinalRevelation1 I live in an apartment, I don't have anywhere to put a screaming Xeon R720. Like sure it'd be 1/3 the price I spent but where would I put it?
Most emulation barely touches the GPU, and is incredibly CPU bound, so despite its middling performance on PC gaming, this should be an absolute emulation powerhouse.
I know I'm late to the show but I recently snatched brand new Lenovo M75q gen2 (which you tested) but with R7 4750G. Threw 32 gigs of RAM @3200MHz in it and it's running smooth like silk. No app is too demanding, no task is too heavy. Haven't tried gaming on it yet. All in all I'm super happy with both Lenovo mini PC and 4750G APU.
Hi! What about the noise level on the m75q? Is the machine loud when working/watching youtube?
I am trying to decide between m75q gen2 and the x300 build
@@wbio When doing light work like MS office, browsing, youtube, watching vids on stream platforms, etc its basically noiseless. I don't even notice it.
But when I play some games (vega 8 is decent for some light gaming) thats when you start hearing vents spin and noise level rises.
@@Quickr86 Thank you!
Just finished a 4600g version of this and this is such a bargain. Buying an ITX motherboard, PSU, and case would probably run me double the price I paid for the barebones kit. It's weird getting a bargain for a SFF PC when usually you pay a premium. Love it.
@@X862go how yiu would put gpu in there?
10 years of Intel Leadership ! We never get some kind cpu like this one ! Thx for AMD !
This is a apu not cpu
@@ruchika5217 bruh it's just a fancy branding
instaBlaster.
@@ruchika5217 almost all intel cpu since gen4 are APU with intelHD
I've built several PC's. Never ever considered INTEL.
I have absolutely no idea what your talking about but I can't stop binge watching your videos 😩
I built this exact PC, based on your video's info. It was actually my first "at home build." I was very careful to follow your instructions exactly. No real problems with the build except for the leads on the WiFi card, but finally got them done to my satisfaction. I was SO EXCITED... but then SO disappointed when it wouldn't power on so I could load my OS, grab the updates and install other software. I confirmed the power adapter is functional with a multimeter.
I'm suspecting a bad power switch... GRRRRR!!! :-(
1:30 OMG PC Looking Like Power supply.😄
Loving the performance of the 4750G, can't believe its doing all this without a dedicated GPU...Appreciate your efforts with this video, Thanks for Uploading lol
agree, tho wish there was a way to add a gpu, something like RX570 would triple the performance. ^
@Brian Babin how much do you spend in this machine?
@@kevinjahir18 You could probably find used 2400g less than $100 and iGPU speed nearly the same because of the ram bottleneck. I just put together a machine with it and it runs emulators really nicely.
@@mefjupl8679: I recently saw a video on "Low Spec Gamer" YT channel with a similar SFF build although it wasn't with this New Ryzen it had a dedicated 1050Ti GPU - you may want to check it out if you're interested...
God bless you for these videos bro. You really showing we don't need beast systems to play most games. Also I started building these small pc and building bigger PCs for friends
Recently build myself a Ryzen 7 pro 4750g and this x300. Specifically for use with Linux. It runs like a charm, very powerful and the cpu was €339 for me via retail channel. The overpriced for what you get in my opinion only holds water if gaming is a concern. When I game it's older titles. This is hands down the best small size computer.
I am using older deskmini with 3400g & Ubuntu
Great machine.
Very interesting build, especially now, when every youtuber considers it his duty to shove a 30 series video card in anything, because, in their opinion, they apparently grow on trees and getting them is no more difficult than throwing out a garbage bag.
This APU is probably harder to come by and just as badly scalped as the 30 series cards tho
I know you said its not worth the money for the build, but personally i think it is, and the fact that its that small is fuckin phenomenal, i may just build it, thank you for this
I remember the tower pcs. I wasn’t aware that these tiny pcs can actually run serious tasks
Thank you for the Plex 4K test on this, I've gone for this APU for my Plex Server build and was more than happy to see it handle it. I've been using a 550 for my server and it just couldn't cope with it obviously.
Looks so sleek, I love small factor machines. This maybe smaller than a GameCube😁
Imagine how awesome the system AMD will deliver in the next 24 months, Zen 3/4 & RDNA 2/3 based APU’s, what a time to be a tech enthusiast💯👍
yes it is smaller than a game cube
When the Ram`s DDR5 and APUs with RDNA 2.0 GPU come out, it will be amazing !!
Infinity cache will reduce alot of the bandwidth problems with APU's.
@Jose Alfonso - Same, I'm looking forward to this as well. I'm holding out till this comes out (maybe next year sometime?)
omg, too hyped to see rpcs3 and yuzu in this machine.
This is exactly the kind of build I want. I've loved having full sized desktops for about 10 years but I've moved apartments 4 times in those 10 years and will likely move again soon. Moving these things around is not fun.
7:27 How to avoid the thermal paste comments. LOL
😂
Was Genuinely hoping to see you technique too... :(
and screaming about the back cpu plate.
I'm honestly surprised I haven't gotten any thermal paste comments, with all the horror stories I've heard.
What the tube is not one time use? Damn that explains the mess I did.
The Noctua L9A fits perfect in that case.
this was so helpful you just dont know
OH dude the mini pcs have envolved a lot in the last years
ETA, got to see some emulations on this beast! How does Zelda BOTW on CEMU fair and how about CITRA as well?
Thanks for demonstrating 4K video.
I loved the small form-factor so much that I had to build one myself! Sometimes you pay for the smaller size. Thank you for sharing and keep up the great work!
3:41 a mismatch, no prob but just pointing so it's helpful. Great video. loved it. Quality....
Literally Everybody Else: RYZEN 5000!
ETA PRIME: haha Ryzen 4750g go brrrrrr
EDIT: In all seriousness though that performance is pretty freaking good!
Please do emulation benchmarks
meanwhile I made a 3400 build earlier this year
@@robertoaguiar6230 amd: go brrrrrr
Looks like a cpu that would sell like hotcakes if AMD sold it officially at retail.I would certainly buy a couple.
@@Doobie3010 we meet again
@@robertoaguiar6230 2
*THIS is why I just LOVE ASRock !* I like it so much, that I only buy ASRock products now, like my Motherboard ( ASRock B550 Pro4 ) and my GPU ( ASRock RX 6700XT Phantom Gaming )
I wish they made lots more, like an ASRock PSU, ASRock RAM, ASRock SSD, and even an ASRock liquid cooler with RGB fans ! *If it has the brand name "ASRock" I will buy it ALL !*
Money saving options if you're willing to compromise:
Swap out both of those drives for a single 1TB Western Digital SN550 to save $35
Buy a Ryzen 5 Pro 4650G for $267 to save $73
=$591
He didn't include the cost of the low-profile cooler, which is unfortunately $45.
I just picked one up for my 3200G, it works great. One thing, don't bother buying the 2 port USB add-on unless you are using the included Deskmini cpu cooler. No way it fits with anything else, even a wraith stealth cooler won't work with the USB extension. Added 2x ripjaws 4GB DDR4 2400 and a 256GB NVME SSD, already had the 3200G, so I was all-in for $260 w/ the USB add-on. Amazing value. running Elementary OS Linux on it.
I'm really interested in seeing this thing run PS3, WiiU, and the Switch emulators among others
It wont run those emulators very well.
@@yosoywilson78 why? 3400g is almost running them well
@@csl110 Havent followed development of CEMU for a while now. Didnt realize they had Vulkan support now. I tried it on my old 2400g and it was crap. But I guess 1080p 20-30fps is ok.
@@yosoywilson78 my 2400g runs wii u games at full speed with newer cemu versions.
Can't handle PS3 very well, even 3700X and 10700K struggle with The Last Of Us.
Very cool. About a year ago I built on the same platform to make a small desktop PC for my sister to use for school. I went with the 3200G, same ram, 500gb ssd and the Noctua NH-L9a cooler.
"It's gonna be tight but it will fit" that's what she said :)
Wow that is so hilarious and original. 👎
That's what he said
"Man, that shit is tight!" - Spider's soldier in "Elysium", after checking out Matt Damon's exo-suit.
i just got mine a couple of weeks ago! Not using it for gaming, instead using it as an additional node in my kubernetes cluster. Its not super busy doing very much but that should change pretty quickly :) i'm really excited, i think this is going to be a very capable computer for a very long time :)
I’d love to see how it holds up in professional workloads, like CAD or rendering? Great Video!
@@joshbeeri cad will just fine. rendering will not
Thats insane! My mini dream machine would be a super lightweight portable arcade machine / PC. with a lapboard for a MK, and interchangeable with an arcade stick and trackball. side art, light-up marquee, led lights, the whole shebang...
for even better cooling performance, you shoudl turn the cpu cooler by 180°, so the heatpipes are on the right instead of the left, this will result in the sidepanel mesh lining up better with cooler. =)
What a compact little monster! Amazing what these APU's can do.
The perfect cooler height was so satisfying
8:53 "Its gonna be tight but it will fit"
That's what she said.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Just done similar build using 5600g. It is a tight fit as IS-47 catches back power/led module,had to make sure no slack on cable and hooked on side panel. Fitted Noctua NF-A4x10 pwm as exhaust(double sided taped just above hdmi/DP inputs). NF-A4x20 should fit as well. Idle temps 38°. Only used Ryzen master to "auto overclock" and CineBench R23 gave MultiCore 11278 with temps 75° approx . The big change was to replace IS-47k fan with Noctua NF-A9x14 and reverse fan as intake(towards cpu) as with the heatsink tight to top made more sense to pull air in and let 40mm fan help as exhaust
Yeah, I wish it didn't cost this much overall, either. I love this build.
IKR? It's really cool if you're after the small footprint but if size is not an issue, you can get much better performance for the same cost.
then buy a 4650 or 4350 for cheaper builds?
If you don't mind older architecture, you can get lenovo m93 tiny models used that work very similar to this.
Well you can put a cheap 3200g or 3400g in this i have the previous version with a 2400g i got second hand for 100 euro last year and it's just as amazing in games. 3000 series are better because of the memory optimisations. But it's not off by much.
@@sniperoth yeah, I'm sure, but I must be getting old, cuz all I wanna do is have an "indie" machine and/or switch over to Linux. I don't need a lot of power for that.
I built a system around a Ryzen 5 3400G based on a build you did on a Ryzen 3 3200G. I couldn't get the same case you used and I used a different 12V DC Adapter from Amazon. Still, I am very pleased with it. I use it as a Plex Media Server and Plex HTPC hooked up to my modest AV Receiver and TV. It also runs low end games fine. My wife and I like to play Overcooked on it. I use an Xbox 360 dongle so with the kids we have had 4 player couch co op going on. I use a Logitech K400 BT keyboard with touchpad to drive from the comfort of the couch.
Overall, there is just something neat about a little PC in the living room.
Looks like this heatsink covers the optional USB port openings. I have the same case with the Noctua NH-L9a and it keeps my CPU super cool without obstructing the ports. The only thing is it butts up a bit against the VRM heatsink.
It's already been tested by many others with coolers with a similar heatsink-fan setup to have the fan draw air in instead of pushing air out. You drop at least 10°c - 15°c when you fix the fan orientation.
Would you recommend any video about it? I liked the idea.
no bios screen showing overclock features? interested to know RAM overclock, 4750G loves 4000 or more MHz DDRs
@@jakelong8660 yeah the corsair's one comes in 4000 MHz not a pretty CL but ok
Do you need an older processor to flash the bios for use with the 4750G?
Thanks for the build and test. I wanted to buy myself this little setup and now i have a little more information to make a decission.
make sure to buy one of these for it, Noctua NH-L9a-AM4 chromax.Black
I love the idea of these super compact computers, but the performance you get for the price... unless you have money to burn these things are just insane. Same with the ultra small portable "laptop" style things from GPD. So much of that stuff looks great and I wouldn't mind having it, but I just can't justify the cost of those things to myself. For those that can, what can I say, enjoy!
The cost of electricity is one major factor because these minis run at a much lower TDP.
Very cool!!! Haven’t built a PC in years! This gives me options, great video!!!
I keep hearing about these magical $500 1650 laptops, yet I could never find one.
They are definately out there. Question is do you really want one
Lenovo makes one that I had with the i5. Terrible performance. Loud. Shit display. Meh. Spend a few extra bucks and get something nicer. Even used.
@@Luke-qs2cg like the $800 tuf laptop
Ya gotta shop around, but your best bet is a refurbished system, even then, it's gonna be closer to $600....
Walmart had one as a black friday deal for $450
First time I see someone benchmarking Fall Guys
I don't think 700$ is that expensive, considering the performance and the small form-factor, compared to an high-end Intel Nuc for example. To bad it hasn't a Vega 10 inside.
Yeah, I wish it had Vega 10 too. However, I read that even though it had only Vega 8 - the clock speed is much faster than the 3,000 series APU's. So from a graphics perspective, the performance in the 4,000 series APUs' Vega 8 is an improvement over the slower 3,000 series APUs' Vega 10/11. Could you imagine if they had the same Vega 10/11 cuda cores, but with the higher clock speeds? That would have been kick-ass. AMD is probably going to save that scenario for the next APU generation. Wish-list.
@@galoguevara6049 I expect some improvements with Zen 3 APU's. Maybe we will get the same ~20% improve in performance, andnot just for OEM's.
@@galoguevara6049 vega doesnt have cuda cores
I’m addicted I love the way u explain I have learned so much.thanks very much u are a great teacher🙂🙂
I love my A300 and will have to consider upgrading next year. The thing is dead silent with the Noctua low profile heatsink/fan.
great heatsink/fan!
I own a lot of NUCs but after using them for few years, I decided to switch to a classic desktop, where I can replace any component to newer one and also replace VGA. IGPs were never meant to be plaed on, let's not cheat ourselves.
The only positive side is that you can pack it into your backpack to carry with you, but.....what about display ? External displays are for sale now, but....why not to take laptop with you. tadaaaaa !
For those hesitating whether to buy it or not - try to sit in front of it, work a couple of hours, days, months with a heavier load....do you still like the noise of those fans ? :)
Can you imagine an APU from AMD with fully RX6000 series graphics right on the die? And Zen 3 (or even 4!) CPU? We might be seeing the end of the dedicated graphics card if things progress the way things are going! EXCITING!
incredible, I grew up learning on apple II's my mother had a kaypro 4..... I remember when a 486 was the cream of the crop and cost thousands.............I just saw today a outboard SSd that was 28 TB... what a wonderful time to be alive! I would be interested in seeing if it can run MSflight 2020. I really want a flight sim but GPU prices are insane now.
That is DENSE! It's amazing that we can build and entire PC this powerful about the size of a power supply; I think even smaller than an ATX power supply.
It's 3x better than what I'm running today.
Lol same. I’ve got an fx 8320 w/ gtx 650. 8g ddr3-1333 ram. Plays WoW on lowest settings at 45 FPS. LOL!
Ever since you teased this over a month ago I’ve been waiting! Game changer for sure...very impressive little setup.
Its a real shame they never made these available to the general public, these are great APUs.
you get the same performance on a 2200g/3200g as long as you use at least b450 and fast memory and tune timings, my 2200g is faster then the 4750g in the video, i run cs go at higher avarages in 1080p, about 140. igpu overclocked to 1600 mhz and memory at 3466 cl14.
@@budgetking2591 i would go for the 3400g you can clock it to 1800mhz and the 3 CUs more make a real difference when using good ram, if you are lucky with the chip you can use 3600mhz ram. lower latency is also better of course
@@mhh3 i actually tried that and there is almost 0 difference, the 3 CU's extra do little to nothing, even af 8 CU's it's aleady memory bandwidh bottlenecked hard even at fast ram and timings.
@@budgetking2591 well enough videos online that proof the difference
@@budgetking2591 Same performance 2200g vs 4750g. Dude. You are beyond wrong. LOL.
It is a very nice case.... I am building a mini ITX and I have get a Ryzen 5 4654G (not supported by ASrock) but I prefer my set because I may update it one day! Thanx for the video!
Love these reviews, very helpful when planning my next PC
Oh I really want one!
Hey man thank you for the awesome small form factor builds. Im actually buying parts right now lol. It's gonna be similar to the one you did last year with the 3200g but with the Gigabyte X570 (I did wait for the B550i like you said in the video but its not compatible with the 3200 or the 3400). Keep it up the great videos man.
Very clean and straightforward. Auto sub
this would make a perfect rocket league pc
Would it? I've been playing RL since it came out on Xbox and feel like I've kinda capped due to the limitations of my first-gen Xbox one that's like 6 years old now lol
@@ChodyRay this shouldn't have much problems running the game at 120fps, higher quality at 60fps is also fine, depending on your monitor
Lol, I've just built the same pc for my daily runner. My gaming pc uses too much power to run it all day, so I needed something lightweight for everyday use. But I went with the Ryzen 5 3400G, which has the Vega 11 graphics. Also, I just can't live without at least some RGB, so I paired it with a Coolermaster Masterair G200P, that has a RGB light with controller. It fits with lots of room to spare, plus its single RGB fan light is enough to light up the entire little case!! XD XD
The cooler comes with a standard 3 pin plug for the fan, but the RGB sadly comes with only one male and one female molex connectors for the RGB power. So I found an old 3 pin fan, cut of the plug, leaving about 2" of wire to work with, cut off the 2 molex plugs, and soldered the 2 little RGB wires to the 12v and negative wires of the old fan. Of course you have to make sure you connect it correctly, and as the Coolermaster comes with black wires, which is aesthetically much better than ketchup and mustard wires, the negative wire has like, a light grey intermittent line running along it. So I connected that one to the black wire from the old fan plug, and the solid black one to the yellow wire of the old plug. Don't connect it to the red one, as that is the 5v wire.
Then I just plugged in the fan connector into the 1st CPU fan socket, and the power for the RGB into the second CPU fan socket. And I have to say, it looks fantastic when running, plus the Coolermaster has absolutely no problem keeping the temps of the 65w CPU in check. It's even ASRock Polychrome sync compatible!! However, I have not yet tried to get that to work. I don't think it will, as the RGB is not running off a RGB header, but rather just a fan header. Anyway, I still had one problem, and that was where to put the controller for the RGB.
Now after looking all over the case, I noticed at the back, it has a little fitting hole, that you can break open if you want to install an extra audio and mic adapter. But as I use HDMI, I don't need the audio, plus the case comes standard with these plugs on the front, if ever I should want to plug in a headset. And after some testing, I found that if I secured the controller on the inside of the case, just in the middle of that hole, I could easily press all three buttons as needed. So I glued it in place with a glue gun, as that damages nothing, it hardens really fast, and of course can be easily removed if ever I choose to do so.
The only problem was that sometimes when I pressed it, because I used very little "glue", it would come away from the back, and get pushed inside the machine. So I opened it up again, and as the back of it was about half an inch from the side of the fan itself, I just cut a piece of black plastic, and hot glued it firmly in place, with the back having the solid support of the fan behind it. So no matter how hard you push now, it's not going anywhere. And once you close everything up, you can't see any of my handy gluing, and you can change the colors and programs and brightness all you want, without seeing anything except all the glorious RGB lighting.
Hope this helps anybody else planning on using this brilliant little system, but needs some RGB in their lives as well. XD XD
A few questions:
1. How loud is the cooler at idle/cpu load/full load? This would be perfect for a mini audio recording PC to carry around if it can remain silent.
2. How does it compare with Noctua L9a and Alpenföhn black ridge? I understand that Alpenföhn is better than Noctua and not much more expensive.
Thank you
you can always use fan speed app for this, acoustics for this type of coolers are ramping around 2700 I think, but the bearable one would be 2200 rpm or if noise is a problem, you can go for 1500 as it is already a decent speed to exhaust heat.
@@alwinnadela396 Yes, but I'm interested in the noise profile, because I would like to use this as a mobile audio DAW recorder and need as much silence as needed.... And when the CPU is 100% utilized, I need to be relatively quiet, not a mini storm.
Love it. I've hoarded a modded (de-shrouded) Wraith for 18 months in the hope I could pick up it's predecessor. It seems, not though, the X300 has more value to me if I rip the case off and use the stx board in an old school desk I'm swapping the lid for acrylic (nephew needs a streaming/homework PC). I can't seem to find any AM4 stx boards other than this, so I may be gutting one.
I would love to see 10gb on such a high end system. If this had 10gbe, I would definitely consider 2-3 of these for my homelab.
I have seen many reviews of mini PCs. Your review of the Beelink i5 was much better than any other. You do good work.
cant wait for the raspberry pi 400 review!
Didn't he already do one, or was that just the unboxing?
Dude you are awesome, the best part of the build is the cooler..
I am inspired to build my Ryzen sooner than later.
Decides to run crysis remastered when we've seen 2080tis having trouble lol.
You mean 3070?
I'm glad that old meme is still relevant.
I have had Crysis on my computer for like 7 years now and my 980ti can barely run the original on 1080p. Its insane, its no wonder even more powerful cards have trouble with that game due to how poorly optimized it was.
That's really cute. I bet I could fit it in my computer.
I bet you could! I saw another reviewer saying it's very near the size of a regular ATX power supply, only very slightly bigger!
DDR5 and RDNA2 can't come fast enough...
Thunderbolt would have been nice for an external gpu setup.
yeah we need some infinity cache in our apu's :D
Rdna 2 is almost here. Ddr5 will arrive around time rdna 3 arrives.
@proton recuva
Ddr5 is ready .
Ans some processor already support it .
But you can't get them.
@proton recuva "unless the leaks are wrong ddr5 will come togheter with rdna2"
For APUs, yeah, but that's probably going to be a about half a year away, while RDNA2 is coming out on graphics cards next week.
Great build. I would just keep the standard backplate for the CPU cooler
The most cursed stock CPU cooler I've ever seen
Very nice mini build. Appreciate you explaining the value equation. But love the compact form factor. Good honest review 👍
This looks awesome for the size. A shame the 4750g is not more affordable. If a 5700g comes next year, with the 5600x/5800x performance in reviews it should be a beast of a small fotm factor build CPU
$200 on Aliexpress today. Or you can scrounge them out of HP Mini desktops.
A literal portable desktop, *extraordinary*
This Case Are Like Intel NUC but with Better Price And Performance.
Thanks for this content. I was planning an itx-build with ryzen 4000 for my nephew's online class. i was having a hard time looking for vesa mounted case and power brick. this just solved it.
When pricing, have you covered the price of the processor heat sink?
Kudos! This is the equivalent performance of a Mac Mini. And significantly cheaper avoiding the Apple gouging for extra memory and storage.
To be specific better than new M1 Mac Mini and beats on price by $500 when kitted out similarly.
Is it really idling at only 10 watts? Gosh where do I find one for purchase in Brazil?
i dont think you can, but maybe import it, probably a lot money, but idk
@@giorodriguez2291 Yeah that's an alternative. But I wouldn't take that much risk. Refund for a ~500$ purchase is no where near plausibility.
What an awesome video! I've really been wanting to build a mini PC for a while now and watching this video may have been the nudge I needed.
Please try the ryzen 5 pro 4650g next on emulation. 🙏
It's going to perform worse, what's the point?
@@dan8t669 I wanna see the performance duhh that's why people wanna see review of the ryzen 3 3100 even tho the i9 10900k is out I wanna see what performance I might if I get the ryzen 5
I got this apu. It’s good. Ps3 full speed. Yuzu can hit 30fps in game for things like Mario odyssey, pokemon sword. Interested to see how much better the 4750g is
Love to see a mini pc for 1080p gaming .
You should link that awesome heatsink in the description with the rest of the parts. It looks like it's available on Amazon.
Does ryzen master let you overclock the cpu?
I like the design of the heat sink. Never did like how the processor blows heat down on motherboard components and ram.
Actually it's tested to show any air movement over modules such as the vrm coolers or the ram has a benefit. Even if it's hot hair from the cpu, the fact that it's moving is better than stagnant warm air.
16:27 Ah yes, Molten Silicon
ah i see the refrence
back in Original Cysis Strugles running
and the remaster too
Love these videos
"It's gonna be tight but it'll fit." -What She Said
seriusly, why?
ah, the classic joke a virgin would tell. nice
That joke is actually wrong, he said: "its gonna be tight in this case but ....".
U left away the case
@@eisregenhaha Ik but i know what that joke up there means
solid emu build for retro games
how noisy is the fan on the cpu heatsink? would it be easy to swap out with a different fan, or is it some weird non standard height?
@@DM-qm5sc the heatsink fit in the case?? or do you mean just the fan?
Scary how powerfull those APUs are for games.
imagine the zen3 APUs next year
Cezanne has the same 8 vega cu's on the same 7nm process. Don't expect better gpu performance, only cpu performance will be better.
@@mhh3 if they do rdna and zen 3 then its a different story
@@fas7n The codename for Zen 3 apus is cezanne, zen3+vega. look it up
@@MuhammadHosny0 lol who said that?
@@mhh3 oh dang why no rdna? i dont expect rdna2 for quite sometime cuz the new consoles just came out and that would undercut the new consoles. huh... guess i answered my own question lol. apus gonna look good in 2-3 years lol