The hidden potential of the PS5 Pro is a falling price in the next two years. For 500 - 600 Euros with discdrive and stand i would perhaps reconsider my decision to not buy it. A relatively small GPU upgrade isn't worth the price for me, i will use that money for games and the Switch 2. 950 Euros is imo already scalping price territory for such a mid gen refresh.
They only thing that would be actually beneficial imo is the upgraded path tracing in this hw update. PSSR would only be a cheap fix to a much more bigger issue that is creeping up in modern game development, that is the hardware that is supplied is not improving. By having the game running at 1 px and then be "translated" with 100 different processes like de noising and up scaling will only complicate things (dithering and such) and have you the consumer at the mercy of an AI ship. Instead the focus should be to improve the underlying hardware to run more efficient in a tinier format with 100% native performance. Also the translation on the ps5 pro doesn't need to happen on the ps5 pro itself, but instead on a separate server. It's much more efficient to ship a binary to the console and let it run there than to translate, in real time, it with a slow AI ship. As for the other aspects such as adding more content and variety in the game, I am all for man. The faster and better games can be envisioned by humans the better. Just try not to replace the human part of it, since that is what makes them special (imo, again all of this is my opinon).
There is a great video from threat interactive discussing TAA and it's implications for games. It's a great video which briefly covers the issues that game developers are now faced with because of lazy fixes to imaginary problems.
This is more like the potential of a computer and software stack that doesn't exist and isn't being worked on. 'AI' as it stands is not solving any engineering problems like this, it's not magic.
Thank you. It’s easy to crap on this product and I do have my gripes with it but I still think it’ll be worth it for an upgrade. Especially if I trade in my current console. If something for my favorite hobby makes playing my favorite games better, why wouldn’t I get it?
Its everyones personal decision. Obviously one could wait until the price comes down, which would be fast if the thing doesn't sell that well. If everyone accepts every price they throw on us for midgen upgrades the future will be very expensive. Depends on the country you live and if you want stand and disc drive, but in europe the thing costs around 950 euro with the same gadgets the PS5 had on launch for 499 Euro. If i sell my PS5 for 400 i would still have to lay 550 Euros on top of that, more than the PS5 cost me at launch. That for a mediocre upgrade of the GPU, the same CPU and almost the same amount of ram. I will watch it and if the price gets acceptable i will reconsider
@@currywurst2434 you’re not wrong to think that. I just don’t think the price will drop, at least not much until we’re looking at the next generation. To me it’s worth getting better graphics plus better frame rate on my favorite games. Also future proofing for games that have yet to come.
Imo it won't reach DLSS quality but its better than FSR and you have nice ideas for AI, but that are more or less dreams that have nothing to do with PS5 Pro. You can already use AI for developing games, procedural games etc. also for NPCs, if the AI power of PS5 is enough for that i don't know, also devs don't make AI NPCs at this point very often, even on PC with much stronger AI hardware. Imo it has other problems than hardware. PS5 Pro will have better raytracing but still far away from modern Nvidia GPUs. Imo the PS5 Pro is a nice gadget, but nothing world changing. Like Sonys fast drives aren't as gamechanging as many thought. Nice to have, thats it. For me the price is too high for a GPU upgrade and better upscaling tech. And i already own a stronger PC if some games don't look too good on my classic PS5. I liked the PS4 Pro, it was relatively normal priced and the price did fall very fast, it had over the double the teraflops and i got it almost for free after selling my PS4 Slim console.
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The hidden potential of the PS5 Pro is a falling price in the next two years. For 500 - 600 Euros with discdrive and stand i would perhaps reconsider my decision to not buy it. A relatively small GPU upgrade isn't worth the price for me, i will use that money for games and the Switch 2. 950 Euros is imo already scalping price territory for such a mid gen refresh.
They only thing that would be actually beneficial imo is the upgraded path tracing in this hw update. PSSR would only be a cheap fix to a much more bigger issue that is creeping up in modern game development, that is the hardware that is supplied is not improving. By having the game running at 1 px and then be "translated" with 100 different processes like de noising and up scaling will only complicate things (dithering and such) and have you the consumer at the mercy of an AI ship. Instead the focus should be to improve the underlying hardware to run more efficient in a tinier format with 100% native performance. Also the translation on the ps5 pro doesn't need to happen on the ps5 pro itself, but instead on a separate server. It's much more efficient to ship a binary to the console and let it run there than to translate, in real time, it with a slow AI ship. As for the other aspects such as adding more content and variety in the game, I am all for man. The faster and better games can be envisioned by humans the better. Just try not to replace the human part of it, since that is what makes them special (imo, again all of this is my opinon).
There is a great video from threat interactive discussing TAA and it's implications for games. It's a great video which briefly covers the issues that game developers are now faced with because of lazy fixes to imaginary problems.
This is more like the potential of a computer and software stack that doesn't exist and isn't being worked on. 'AI' as it stands is not solving any engineering problems like this, it's not magic.
Thank you. It’s easy to crap on this product and I do have my gripes with it but I still think it’ll be worth it for an upgrade. Especially if I trade in my current console. If something for my favorite hobby makes playing my favorite games better, why wouldn’t I get it?
Its everyones personal decision. Obviously one could wait until the price comes down, which would be fast if the thing doesn't sell that well. If everyone accepts every price they throw on us for midgen upgrades the future will be very expensive. Depends on the country you live and if you want stand and disc drive, but in europe the thing costs around 950 euro with the same gadgets the PS5 had on launch for 499 Euro. If i sell my PS5 for 400 i would still have to lay 550 Euros on top of that, more than the PS5 cost me at launch. That for a mediocre upgrade of the GPU, the same CPU and almost the same amount of ram. I will watch it and if the price gets acceptable i will reconsider
@@currywurst2434 you’re not wrong to think that. I just don’t think the price will drop, at least not much until we’re looking at the next generation. To me it’s worth getting better graphics plus better frame rate on my favorite games. Also future proofing for games that have yet to come.
Imo it won't reach DLSS quality but its better than FSR and you have nice ideas for AI, but that are more or less dreams that have nothing to do with PS5 Pro. You can already use AI for developing games, procedural games etc. also for NPCs, if the AI power of PS5 is enough for that i don't know, also devs don't make AI NPCs at this point very often, even on PC with much stronger AI hardware. Imo it has other problems than hardware. PS5 Pro will have better raytracing but still far away from modern Nvidia GPUs. Imo the PS5 Pro is a nice gadget, but nothing world changing. Like Sonys fast drives aren't as gamechanging as many thought. Nice to have, thats it. For me the price is too high for a GPU upgrade and better upscaling tech. And i already own a stronger PC if some games don't look too good on my classic PS5. I liked the PS4 Pro, it was relatively normal priced and the price did fall very fast, it had over the double the teraflops and i got it almost for free after selling my PS4 Slim console.