Endwalker Patches Aren't Filler
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- In This video I talk about my belief that the Final Fantasy 14 Endwalker patches will matter at some point in the future. I know many people like to say that these patches are filler and don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Although I do understand where these critiques are coming from, I think they are missing the bigger picture of the stories that will be told in the upcoming expansions.
I do think it is completely understandable if you didn't like the patches, I don't think they were perfect either. But I will say that I think many people don't give them the credit they deserve.
And yes I know that I didn't really give my general thoughts on the patches like I said I did in the video, but maybe next time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also Dawntrail comes out in less than 24 hours!!! I am very excited!!!
Zero strikes me as the next G'raha or Ardbert, yeah - a character who gets introduced, fleshed out, and then put away for a while to then become really important a couple expansions down the line.
Kinda hope you're right I'd love a expansion on the 13th, but saying she'll be the next g'raha is a bit over ambitious.
I always thought they'd give Fordola a redemption arc, they somewhat did but never full circle.
And what of Cylva, she's been a large part of the story too, and Unukalhai, they both didn't get the same treatment, so why would Zero or Durante? It wouldn't make much sense to me, and yes I do realize there's extra bits of dialogue if you do the extended story quest from Cylva before the latest endwalker patches.
Tldr I doubt zero will be a main cast character, maybe more of a Lyse, temporary at best.
@@KerimBZ Sadly Cylva and Unukalhai were both extra content though the latter can almost be soloed(*grumbles about those damned harpoons on the whale making it not fully soloable but duoable*) Zero though was MSQ
@@Ladywizard You can solo Bismarck, even Bismarck extreme is soloable. The harpoon are doable if you do it immediately as it goes up and you sprint to the second one, otherwise the bubble attack disables the second harpoon.
This. Did we all forget that Shadowbringer’s story was introduced in Heavensward’s post MSQ patches?
Coming to this video after playing Dawntrail's MSQ... it is fun seeing how much you called a week before the expansion dropped.
It's amazing what happens when you don't react but understand nuiance.
My main issue with the 6.1-.5 arc is just their utilization of the FF4 Motiff without the heart of it. basically just using the names and scenes to evoke nostalgia but overall having no purpose to their reason for being there. You could have easily written the story without using those named characters and nothing would change about the narrative and in fact it might actually come out better because now you are using unique characters who aren't defined/nostalgia bait.
However given the narrative it is plausible that maybe they are going to pull something like the namesakes of the archfiends are actually based on mythos in that world and were brought to life by the memoria crystal which could be an interesting twist. In all honesty I could forgive the way the story went if they do do a MSQ where we can actually utilize Unukalhai and Cylva as main characters to that arc that can actually fulfil a main role into the story of The Thirteenth.
I don't think Endwalker is bad. it was pretty nice. the problem is if shadowbringers was 10, endwalker feels like 8,5-9,0, but it was amazing. not perfect tho but still very good
are you saying that shadowbringers was perfect? hmmm
@@aeoyndjuric1679 many people don't know the definition of a 10 score anymore, plenty of people for example say that Zelda TOTK is a 10/10, meanwhile in the same breath complain about the weapon durability system being too punishing.
SHB was good yeah, but atleast it's patch MSQ didn't put me to sleep.
EW MSQ was good, it's patch content made me wish I could erase Zero from existence. (also introduced Wuk Lamat, which I hated in 6.55 and definitely still don't like in DT)
After finishing Dawntrail only one thing came to mind "I miss Zenos" I understand him now... Where is my prey... why did I have to babysit some fat cat always wanting to make friends with enemies that just killed people a quest ago... I hate these new writers... I want Yoshi-P back.
Post EW literally was planting the seeds for future expac like 8.0 or 9.0 where we go back into the void
I think part of why ppl disliked post EW patches msq is the length. Warriors of Darkness didn't appear much in HS msq and post HS (not sure). If IIrc WoD appeared in 1 msq then they were absent for the remaining duration of HS.
Entire void arc in post EW took place across every patch besides 6.55. Not only that it clashed with the tone of DT. It's kinda a whiplash going from post EW to DT.
Keep in mind there are pppl doing into post EW with DT in mind. I myself speedran entire EW and post EW withing 4 days and I was taken aback at first by post EW story not being remotly relevant to DT. I can't imagine ppl, who followed void arc story up to date felt during 6.55 msq or when Dawntrail was announced.
For me it was apparent after some time they gonna continue it sometime, not expecting them to make entire expansion around it but maybe some raids in the future. They also did a decent job at providing at least a decent story after climax of 10y story.
You speedran not only all of Endwalker, but the post-expansion patches, in four days? No wonder you felt whiplash. Though I'm amazed if it even digested enough to give you enough of an impression to feel any whiplash about.
What was the hurry, DT wasn't going to run away. But anyway, as someone who was playing the patches when they came, it didn't really feel that weird, since the post-patches were still a bit of a cooldown from EW in their scale and tone and threat level, but also we knew that DT was going to be a much lighter adventure before the post-patches even hit.
No problem with the msq. It was the highlight of content in EW because yeah. Content was non existent and phoned in. Story was fine.
Just because you don't like the content doesn't mean it's not there though.
Like, I wish people would accurately articulate their actual issues rather than point at some nonexistent issue.
Zero's my favorite character.
Tips fedora
Cope
Somewhere in the deep dungeon where CU3 writing team resides exists a massive whiteboard with a mother of all flowcharts.
They really are Charlie over there, aren't they
The funny thing is, the 10 year arc was not actually planned. It just came about that way through looking back at previous lore and building upon it as they went. To me, that's what the Endwalker patches are. They might not have any plans on what to do with the Void and the 13th, not yet at least. but they're using previously established lore to build up the lore of the 13th, give us peeks at what it used to be, without actually defining anything, all while packaging it in a very FF4 flavoured story. They're making something they can return to later.
i feel that with crystal tower
the way they suddenly make crystal tower a requirement to play shadowbringer was awkward
but hey, if they can make even unplanned story to end in a good and satisfying way, i've got no complain
@@Saihamaru I really wish they hadn't done that. They had unique dialogue based on whether or not you had done Crystal Tower throughout Shadowbringer, but now all of that's gone to waste.
BETTER THAN SHADOWBRINGE- drops my fucking pizza WHAT
Also why does this not have more views? I think it's hilarious that ANYONE thinks these patches are filler. This is FF14. Nearly everything comes back in some way. Even sidequests are no exception
We'll at least be back to collect our shard in Golbez when we're forced to rejoin ourselves as Azem to combat some even greater threat.
Thanks! I totally agree this storyline will come back at some point. And don't get me wrong, Shadowbringers is still great! I should explain my thoughts on it someday lol
Whoever says the 6.x patch story is filler has clearly forgotten the Heavensward Warriors of Darkness patch story. And we all know how that turned out. People are actually crazy if they think CBU3 spent 5 whole ass patches to tell a filler story.
@@msaag5490 the thing is, even if it's not filler they should still find a compelling a way to build/set up future events without the experience itself having to be a drag.
@@depresso___espresso Which is a fair criticism. I feel they could have shortened the 13th Void story to 6.4, then have all of 6.5 be the wrapup plus the lead in to Dawntrail.
Just for clarity, I haven't seen the wrapup for the 13th yet in 6.5, but I think the writing team made our big Void payoff tied too heavily with Zero. They should have included Unukalai or whatever his name is and made him much more prevalent to this story. As interesting as Zero is, she was a bit too apathetic to the saving of the 13th, so it kind of spoils our motivation to be interested in the outcome of the Void. If Unakalhai was there and his enthusiasm/desire to save the 13th contrasted Zero's apathy, it may have made for a more interesting journey. Heck, maybe we should have dealt with Zeromus and Golbez by 6.3 and in 6.4 to 6.5, Golbez would also be included with the "Save the 13th" team. Ultimately, I think the major flop of the 13th Shard story is because Zero was too much of the focus for our investment in saving the 13th. We needed Unukalhai and or Golbez's zeal in wanting to save the 13th for us to actually be invested in saving the 13th, just like how Ryne and G'raha and everyone we met in the First became our investment in saving the First.
The Encyclopedia Eorzea heavily implies that the Reapers Avatar is our 13th Shard
2.X -> helping ala mighan refugees
4.0 -> freeing ala migho
3.X -> fighting the warrior of darkness
5.0 -> helping the warrior of darkness
4.X -> war with garlemald
6.0 -> invading garlemald
Im not sure about the 5.X patches but i think theres a way to tie them into 7.0 (but i dont wanna get into spoilers) I think itll be interesting to see stuff with the 13th become relevant in 8.0 i can see some ways to tie it in with possibilities 7.X could go in. They should definitely make the warring triad quest mandatory at least if they go in this direction. They could also rework the ShB role quests in some way because they are also important to the 13th but i dont know how they could, or require every player to level one role up to level 80.
actually 5.x was mostly buildup for second half of 6.0 since it was mostly about the birth of Hydaelyn the primal and Zodiark
I do not engage with fandom as much as I would probably like to (got no friends who also play this game, money yk), so i had no clue those patches were even considered filler. I was just having fun with the content I was being fed and I trust the FFXIV writers to explode my brain later on in the future.
This is all without mentioning how much went into building Zero as a character. There's some divisiveness with people when it comes to her, but there's also a LOT of love for her. She's practically built for becoming a new member of the Scions. She'll obviously become a reoccurring character in the future.
god I don't hope so, Wuk Lamat is already obnoxious in 6.55 (not gonna spoil 7.0, but I don't like her there either)
kinda done with these super uninteresting characters, Zero just constantly going "oh ... is this how you do it" tips hat. (every god damned time)
until the end where she randomly becomes a PLD and goes "yeah ... I know my calling now!" like ... really? piss off, please never return.
I really liked Zero, she is a rare brooding and aloof female melee warrior goth lady
I hope she comes back, although I bet we will about her as the legendary paladin who brought Light to the 13th
@@DarkDyllon >ff14 player hasn't played ff4, which the patches were a boldfaced remake of
@@DarkDyllon "wuk lamat is obnoxious" my dude she is very young! of course shes going to be a little obnoxious!
@@DarkDyllon I really like Zero, but even I admit the constant hat tipping got a little silly lol.
Re: the randomly PLD thing, they did establish she was originally a PLD in the echo flashbacks. At least the change hopefully means character growth when she reappears.
i think since yshtola is looking for a way to cross the worlds savely i'm pretty sure that a addon in restoring the 13th might happen in 1 or 2 expansions
wait, i rarely visit social medias to read other people's opinion, but you are telling me there are some people who unironically think post-EW as filler? seriously?
for me it's both epilogue for EW and a prologue for, wait for it, A Newfound Adventure (there, it's right here in the patch's title)
we all know other reflections are in dire need to be saved (DT's MSQ further strengthened this)
the void most of all, since even the ascians deemed it unsalvagable
when i found out we're going there again after all this years (the first visit was world of darkness, in case someone forget), i was genuinely overjoyed
and when we wrap it to a nice little end with golbez in just 5 patches instead of another cliffhanger like with warriors of darkness, it was just that satisfying
the void is still in need of restoring, but at least now we have a foundation there to build up
oh and they even give us some extra tidbits about the 4 archfiends' pasts, what else do you need?
I'm always confused by the hate. I liked the patches, I thought the story was good. I like the V&C Dungeons, no complaints with relics. The only one I understand is island sanctuary. Would it have killed them to make instanced housing instead?
filler? the amount of WoW story writers change the story, based game to *checks notes* Dragonflight is in constant fear of being filer or non canon every moment every time the CCO runs out of brest milk
also the beast tribes are not filler, they helped us build a rocket ship / fuel sayed rocketship to the end of the universe
ffxiv filler always matters, it might be 10 years down the line, but it always pays off
I do think that the Void story could have been done in 3 or 4 patches maybe and have a patch or two deal solely with the aftermath of the final days. But yeah, it’s definitely not filler.
I agree, but I like to think that the reason the 13th Shard story was stretched this long was cause they needed to divert some manpower to the new graphics update. And maybe to give the writing team a whole bunch of time to scope out and plan where we potentially can go story wise in the next few expansions. So the 13th Shard story was definitely something they could have shorten the story to maybe just 6.4 and use all of 6.5 to setup Dawntrail.
You guys are on some serious cope.
I'd disagree that they're better than the Shadowbringers patches, but I don't think that's a crazy thing to say. I think they were exceptional, and Zero might be my favorite character after G'raha himself.
i'm a Warrior, why should i thank my healers? they ain't doing anything.
except making mobs immune to stun
my sister is a healer, she will hit me for it later
Yeah, entire arc and new characters will be just a filler because this game of all games is totally known for seriously retconning their characters and events and totally never dragging them back and making them relevant to the plot even years after.
These takes some "people" have is an unsettling reminder that average IQ is double digits and a large portion of population is even lower than that.
Yeah just look at Graha tia he was introduced in ARR patch content and had zero indication of returning until Shadowbringers dropped and then next thing you know hes one of the most beloved characters in the game
It ain’t that deep bro
@@spookedyaa931 It ain't that deep but you out here upset responding the same shit to different comments. Apparently it is that deep for you.
@@PayAttEx I’m saying it ain’t that deep to the fact that just because people have criticisms on patch content that has some flaws that they have low iq and saying that those people should just drop the game? I don’t think that the FFXIV community realizes that criticism is actually a good thing. Every time I see someone has an opinion that is different to the loud majority they get flamed for having an opinion.
They don’t really retcon though
Doesn't matter how long, the expansion that covers the 13th's setup will probably be heralded as the next Shadowbringers. I'm calling it here if the writing team hasn't lost their touch: people will forget their criticisms because it's natural to not see the payoff immediately.
I doubt it'll be heralded as the next ShB, simply because we have a lot more people now who go "new bad, old good" and will overly scrutinize that which is in the present while fellating and worshiping that which is in the past, even when it shares like 90% of the same flaws they bring up for the present thing.
I didn't care about the 6.x story, but I do like Zero. The first character in a long while that I've grown to love and I hope she returns.
If she becomes a new Scion (though not possible if we're being realistic), I'll be thrilled. I hope she's not forgotten at least
the post ew quests are to closely tied to the shb jobquests, i wonder how much context people were missing that never did those.
they did the exact same thing in Heavensward so yeah it will matter and people who say now its filler and shit will suddenly love it! just like in heavensward, people back then where pissed at the HW patch story xD
When I was playing through Heavensward MSQ I wasn't a fan of its MSQ patch content either.
Yup, if there was one thing the patches with Zero reminded me of, it was the patches with Ardbert. We're getting to know someone from one of the other shards so that we'll care about them more when they're much more important later.
@@gnockgnock6965 wild, imo it was the best part of the story of HW
@@aeoyndjuric1679 For me it felt boring. Because I was redoing old trials for MSQ rather than for roulette.
@@aeoyndjuric1679 I started at the end of Shadowbringers, so I was very... "I don't give a fuck about this shit, let me get to Stormblood and Shadowbringers" attitude since I saw spoilers about how important Arbert is but how much of a nothingburger he is in the patch he debuts in.
I actually just finished post endwalker, and i thought it was really good!
Also zero is 🥵 sooo she can come back any time
My biggest issue with the patches were that I was excited to participate in discussion, only was the discussion dominated by ff4 that spoiled the whole thing. I do think that is a fault on the developers their part. People went "we for sure will not beat golbez in 6.4 and zero will turn into zeromus" The zero part was wrong, but still. I knew our fight with golbez was worthless before going in since he will just flee. There was no mystery for the entire patch content besides maybe the ffxiv orginal bits that were pretty minor
You’re focusing on the wrong aspect. The important part of the Zero arc is that it gave Y’stola some really solid leads on how to traverse to other fragments.
Man imagine my surprise when the patch content was brought up already, filler my ass
Endwalker patch MSQ isn't filler... It just feels like it'll lead into something a long ways away when the other things that took a long time to get to were... As you mentioned, nothing burgers when they first debuted. Until then we just kind of have this time that is relevant to Radz at Han sure, but isn't relevant to the continuation of the 1.0 to 6.0 narrative when Tural has more significance for being a place Emet Selch told us to go to. They do answer some questions for Garlemald and Thavnair, but... It can feel less epic than ShB.
Emet-Selch *ALSO* told us to go to the Void, you realize?
We went looking for treasure that he'd hinted at and found a *portal to the Void* instead. Emet-Selch knew the portal was there.
@@DrakeWurrum I... Good point. Apologies for being dumb
I think one of the issues with the Endwalker patches is that they don't have original content. The story is more or less a retelling of FF4 with nothing major changed, compared to the usually fairly subtle or transformative references we're used to in XIV. I can't imagine having been someone who's played FF4 who got to look forward to... no original story... for two years. We didn't even get a side trial series storyline to distract us because the MSQ cannibalized it. Either you liked what you got or you were screwed for over 24 months. Another thing about the warriors of darkness storyline is that it maybe took up 2-2.5 patches of content? It was a side issue for a vast majority of the HW side quests while we fought Nidhogg. The Void storyline more or less took up 4 patches of content, since we didn't really interact with it in a meaningful capacity until 6.2. That's a LOT of time spent on one storyline that isn't base expansion content.
I think another reason why I think the Void arc wasn't well received was poor storytelling. As someone who has recently dealt with a character in a ttrpg whose entire personality also was "I don't know how to be a human so I need people to teach me to be one", I realized that it's REALLY hard to write that sort of character without it becoming either forgettable, annoying, or smothering. With the recent Wuk Lamat references to Naruto and his "Talk No Jutsu", I'm going to also point parallels between Zero and a character from that anime called Sai, who goes through a very similar process and is also not very favored by fans of the series. To be honest, I think Zero's character was done well until 6.5. The transformation into a Paladin was super pander-y to anime tropes and people who played FF4. I think her decision to just let Golbez off scot-free because "friendship, emotions, and mutual trust" is a complete letdown. The worst part of it all, in my opinion, is that we then leave them in the Thirteenth, so what character development does happen to literally anyone in the patch content is locked away for us to rediscover later. In contrast, while the WoDs go away at the end of the HW patch quests, we got character development for Alisae, Uringer, Yda and Papalymo, and even Emmanelain of all people. People call it filler because, if you removed the entire Void arc from the story, literally not a single thing changes about any characters, their development, or their dynamics. It'll pay off down the road, sure. But it definitely made those 2.5 years of waiting hurt a lot more.
I think the current issue is that whoever is on the writing team, as Ishikawa has been moved to supervisor and no longer really gets to put proverbial pen on paper, leans far too into typical anime and storytelling tropes without understanding why they work in the context of their individual stories. If they want to improve and create another Shadowbringers or 6.0 Endwalker, I think they need to take some time to do some literary analysis and learn more about the community that they're writing stories for.
When's the last time we got some random one-of characters with their own backstory as a whole MSQ patch, and then just forgot about them (allegedly). The Warriors of Darkness is the last one I can remember. Hmmm......
Ah my habit for making comments before actually watching the video strikes again.
Not a hot take. Story-wise, the only good Shadowbringers patches were 5.2 and 5.3.
5.1, 5.4 and 5.5 were pretty doodoo. In turn, 6.3 and 6.4 were probably the worst part of the 6.x series and the parts that feel overly padded. I'd almost say half of 6.3 is padding and half of 6.4 is padding, leading to one full patch of padding.
It's just the very strong 5.3 and the lead up to it (5.2) that beat 6.x out. But that doesn't mean the other ShB patches were good. I'd put 6.1 over 5.1, and 6.4 and 6.5 over 5.4 and 5.5. Especially 6.5 over 5.5.
Why do people forget the payoff with Graha and Ardbert, either way I really loved watching Zero’s development
I literally forgot who Graha was, it's bad story telling if you introduce a character 5-6 years before they become relevant again.
I did the crystal tower raid series in 3.x (around the end I think as I finally caught up on MSQ by then) I watched all the cutscenes etc (kinda meh tbf)
then come SHB and the graha reveal happens and i'm like "who are you?" and 1 of the text boxes is like "graha'tia" and i'm still like "WHO?!"
@@DarkDyllon tbh that’s hella fair I caught up in 6.x but I can imagine it was very jarring for older players and there was no hint that he would be a major character later on either
Well... The thumbnail technically wasn't wrong but she really didn't matter that much. Only 3 lines matter and it really feels unnecessary. Even without our adventure in the 13th you could probably deduce fairly easily that there might be problems with taking a foreign soul into your body.
!!! SPOILER !!!
The Patch with the 13th world make even more sense since we now have the world fusion in Danwtrail. A good way to connect the 13th with the 1st to bring light and darkness in these worlds back into (fulll) balance. Enoug material for a whole expansion.
In my opinion,
1. the reason why Endwalker patches really emphasized being a filler is because this arc was THE MOST of the MSQ patches
2. We were used to closing the book of an expasion around X.3 of patches
3. Base Endwalker story feels like it tried to squeeze in story in 6.0 and it should've finished around 6.3
4. YoshiP and devs come out on record that they're are not really planning on the long run for the MSQ and they are using the random seeds they planted int the past to see witch ones would grow the best
5. (and this is just my personal take) these patches feels like you took Shadowbringers Ultima Weapons trials side story and placed in MSQ to feel the gap, i won't deny they can make good things int the future, but this is how it feels at the moment
I personally dont like Zero BUT I know for sure this is going to circle around into the future plot of FFXIV and excited for it, especially after finishing DT and doing the extra dungeons. Spoilers below for those that have finished or just enjoy being spoiled (I do, personally)
The second half of DT is a result in shard hopping from a relic POTENTIALLY made by Azem. Krile's parents are a race of lalafell that were originally from the source, jumped to another reflection (I'm assuming the 12th) after the Calamity of Ice, and then much, much later sent Krile to the Source from there. One of the extra dungeons is Ronka based which is a religion and culture from the First yet somehow on the Source. The NPC that guided us too this dungeon is a researcher on reflections and noticed this link as the WoL tells them about the First. There is a lot of set up here in DT thats going to involve more reflection hopping and revisting the 1st and 13th are most certainly going to be involved with it all as by the end of the MSQ in DT, we get to keep that shard hopping relic. Im excited for all of this.
Copium, but consider the job the WoL would take if we do go to the 13th come say... 9.0. He'd go as Reaper. I'd take a stab that we'd go to the thirteenth and by a twist, they expand on the first some more so Ryne/Gaia are more involved, as well as the NPCs that we left there post Shadowbringers role quests. Cylvia would be our token tank, and Unkalahai would be our healer. Ryne/Gaia our DPS since unless the Scions find a way to traverse without extensive aid, it'd be WoL most likely and for some reason Graha and/or Y'shtola.
Overall I think I agree with what you said. The patches were following up on some stuff from 6.0 that hadn't been mentioned. It's hard to follow up a satisfying conclusion but I think the writers did good at making us see the world recover and move forward, as well as set up plot threads for the future. Combined with the latter half of Dawntrail stuff (haven't finished yet) and there's a fair amount of stuff to explore in the future. I'm not an expert writer, but what I can say XIV's style has influence some of my plans for my story arcs as a DM for D&D. I introduce something in 1 arc, have a reference to it in another, then the payoff in the following arc.
The biggest thing I disagree with is saying EW patch MSQ was better than ShBs. As a whole I remember more of EW's patch MSQ yes and found it more interesting, but I also feel like 5.3 was such a solid patch and satisfying story moment that even the best of EW patch MSQ doesn't pass it, even though they pass the rest of the ShB patches. But that's a matter of preference too.
This is why I'm more excited for 8.0 than 7.0. I know we're trying to downscale the world because we can't keep giving stronger enemies forever but the Lunar Subterrene dungeon gave me a strong Shadowbringers style foreshadowing. I just hope Ishikawa is heavily involved in whatever void story comes next
Yes yes several well thought out points i agree with everythBETTER THAN SHADOWBRINGERS PATCHES?!?!
In every expansion, every patch, the developers have expanded the lore and introduced dozens to hundreds of lingering plot threads to use later on. even if the developers do not know at this moment exactly what they will do with the 13'th, they've left themselves a lot to work with later on. This isn't the first time people in the community have proclaimed something as filler content, and each time so far it's come back up later and became a massive deal. Let's have some patience please and see where things go.
I loved the MSQ post Endwalker. Only thing I don't like is the fact we didn't took Zero in the scions. But hey, in an expansion or two, I am sure we are taking that edgy chicka on board anyway.
hot take.
played through both endwalker and stormblood's content patches. i do not understand the hate for endwalker's patches. at all.
stormblood had a fine story. it was fine. the msq leading up to shadowbringers were all fine. i would rather endwalker's relic grind than going a second more into eureka anyday (bozja just did it so much better, and you can level in it too). ivalice is just a terrible 24 man series. overtuned, boring, it had it all.
as time goes on and these "critiques" come in, i always seem to look at stormblood with more and more disdain. kind of the reason why i've stopped listening to "the masses" when it comes to gaming opinions.
omega was fun though...
i have no doubt everything we did in the patches will become relevant at some point. However the matter of fact remains, that we dealt with this shard for the WHOLE of the patch cycle. Usually in X.1-3 we deal with sort of the aftermath of an expansion while X.4-5 devulge into other storylines. Which makes these patches more enjoyable imo.
It did not felt like filler imo but more of a reaaaally stretched out mini-expansion (timewise).
It was awesome for the first 2-3 patches, but it got tiresome for last 2-3.
Not helping is how it felt like the story was retreading Zeros story beats a few times. Which got really repetitive pretty fast, especially if you played each patch as they came out instead of all at once
I liked it but yeah, it might've been more interesting to have 2 patches of Dawntrail setup instead.
A bit late to this video but assuming yoshi-p and the devs are actually still doing this going forward, at some point if a new sprout comes into this game they will either start in 6.1 or 7.0. if 6.1 is to be chosen which future me as of this video being pushed out believes that 6.1 is the most likely start just because of what is shown in dawntrail. it may not be to the full extent of hey here is some void enemies deal with them the new and improved cecil.......i mean zero, but we need to know at the very least what a reflection is that has fallen. I didn't really like the 6.X patches just because i personally felt it just dragged on way to much for liking. doesn't mean it was bad but honestly i would rather pay for a msq skip for my alt than go through that story again and be dragged along through it again. but it will be interesting to see what the story is going to shape out to be knowing that this might be the starting point for a future warrior of light.
I actually liked the patches more than some parts of the main expansion of endwalker, although that is in part due to me really liking Zero as a character, she very quickly became one of my favourites, so I hope you're right about her being plot relevant in the future
Insane that people would even think this because they have NEVER been filler.
I have nothing against fillers, but I prefer my fillers with a low stakes or something like bozja, not an instance, but just a plot about some rogue legionz again with low stakes
i mean if Meracydia is relevant in 8.0, i'm sure 6.0 patches (and CT alliance raids) will be relevant as well.
When won't it be filler? After EW. Everything before that is filler. *Pays story skip*
I appreciate you bringing up the warriors of darkness. this is the main argument i always use against this criticism (even if a lot of people take some time to really accept it).
another thing a lot of people i know said is that they didn't like the story was just a retelling of FFIV, which... I only saw people who hadn't played the game say this. almost like that's not true at all or something. outside of characters using the same names and designs, while still being very different from the characters in IV, and nods to it (Zero becoming a paladin when regaining her humanity for instance), it really still is it's own thing. I also haven't played IV yet, but i watched a friend do so, this criticism is SO frustrating to me
I am with you in this. MSQ past 6.0 didn't ever feelt like filler for me.
This is an awesome video! As someone who loved the patch MSQ, I can't wait to see Zero make a return!!
7:21 this is just borderline blasphemy at this point 😭
Considering they've already said that for the new story they're just dropping breadcrumbs and where the story goes will depend on what people like, endwalker patches COULD be filler, precisely because a lot of people felt they were filler.
If the team doesn't think people really liked that story line, and other story hooks they hid in DT get more interest, then outside of some random cameos she might become totally irrelevant. The only way to ensure she's relevant is if the whole 'rebuild a planet' thing they mentioned is focused on rebuilding the planet of the 13th.
That's a good point. It's entirely possible that could happen
They will find a way to close that thread eventually, even if it a raid or alliance raid.
I really wanted to help zero return 13 to its original state but I guess I gotta wait an expansion or 2. 2 to 4 years 😢
I think given the 13th's relevance to the history of Meracydia. The 13th's plot and story will be heavy relevant in the future, especially since the easiest form of traversal between shards that Y'shtola is looking for is going to be the ones directly next to one another, with the 11th a shorter distance away than the 4th.
Personal Theory: Most likely, the key to figuring out that travel, is identifying the origin of the elemental balances that Emet mentioned between The Source and the Reflections, then utilizing that connection as a connection. These balances were used for the rejoining but only explored with the rejoining in mind. Thus making the 13th even more relevant as it is basically a whole example and source of information to understand the errors and means to reach the same findings as Emet & etc did.
it cant be filler when we actively participate in the balancing of ether in both 1st and 13th. It's crazy of consequences and can either lead to restoring peace in both or be vulnerable to terrible fuck-ups from new antagonists.
It drastically changes the way we see the interactions between worlds and may lead to crazy new things
just imagine, carrying Emet Selch's will through connecting worlds in a fluid way with interdimentionnal travel such as worked on and researched thoroughly by Y'sthola.
We still have other reflections to look towards to
After doing the main DT MSQ, the amount of possibilities opened proves this video's point very well
That artifact. That DAMNED artifact.
Great video! I'm definitely in the camp that thinks non-MSQ content of the EW patches was pretty meh, but I agree that the post-6.0 MSQ was very good, especially given the context you mentioned (being the start of a new story, not having a ton of memorable plot-threads to work with, not being able to lead directly to the 7.0 story, etc.). I'm even with you about the post-6.0 MSQ being better than the MSQ after ShB. Patch ShB does have 5.3, which is an all-timer of a patch story-wise. But the patches before and after aren't the best IMO.
Thanks! Yeah, what you said about the ShB patch MSQ is basically how I feel about it.
I haven't had much time to play since around August of 2022, so I played through most of the Endwalker patch MSQs just at the start of this week.
Setting aside that I was super into Zero as a character, this storyline also picked up loose threads from ARR, Heavensward, Shadowbringers and the pre-patch Endwalker story, and baked it all into an incredible FFIV homage with Hyadain music as the cherry on top.
And while the story obviously built on what happened in Shadowbringers, the resolution was very different. On The First the seemingly insurmountable task is done, and it's up to its people to do the clean-up and keep building. Meanwhile, on The Thirteenth, the world isn't actually saved yet, but now it has hope and its own champions so things can happen down the line.
Hopefully we won't have to wait until 9.0 before the story brings us to one of Eitheirys' reflections again.
Like tataru learning a clases that was not filler either or Crystal tower
Doesn't change how bland the character and writing was.
and then you helped the bunnies in the crafting dailies :D
I loved Endwalker, and I also loved the patches.
yes leave Zenos dead I beg 🙏. Goated video thank you.
Thanks dude!
As the #1 Zenos enjoyer, he should absolutely stay dead. As much as I'll miss him, he had a near perfect send-off
I mean they obviously aren't going to bring him back. There's no reason to.
they may not be filler but they are crap
I mean. It's very obviously going to matter. It touched a lot of the biggest questions in the game as a whole. Most of the criticism of the Endwalker Patches are how obviously bloated they are. Its been the main criticism of the MSQ for years just across the board but it got really bad in Endwalker. Outside of every issue with DT right now. This is also the main biggest criticism.
People who say it's filler are just those who are disgruntled by this. Since it does feel like outside of the big story beats. There is a lot of filler quests. They are really bad at making interesting quests when there isn't a cutscene playing. The sneak quests are god awful and 90% of the other quests are literally "wait" or go here.
I'm one of the people that was unhappy with the 13th storyline. However, I'd have to join you in saying that the story was absolutely not filler.
While I'm certain that some story hooks about Tural may have been planted in the past, I think dedicating so much of the patch story to the 13th harmed (for me) investment in Wuk Lamat and Tural. I think getting to spend a lot more time with her or her people would have been beneficial.
Shadowbringers started us off in a mysterious new land, but the stakes were our friends in the Scions that we had to save. Endwalker's last patch puts us in a position where a princess wants to become ruler. But what are the stakes? Where are the hooks? So the trek to Tural feels very weak to me. In short, while it will be important later, I do maintain that the Endwalker patch story sacrificed it's incoming story for a future one.
if anything, i thought they weren't filler enough. i kind of expected the story to slow down and chill with smaller scale conflicts and adventures, which is what the end of Endwalker was trying to set up for me - only for everything to end up being another near apocalyptic fight with a giant death shadow zodiark monster thing. i get it's Final Fantasy, but still, i would have preferred the smaller adventures that were being teased all throughout the early patch content, only for them to be swept away with the 13th storyline. it just felt kind of exhausting having 3 apocalypses in a row, and i thought they knew it.
ZEROOOOOOOOOOOO
good points.
I agree and disagree, I am 500% sure Zero will return and the story if 13th will return later on, However I feel like it should have been on the normal raid quest queue, It would have made more sense, however I did have some fun with it and Shtola was in it so I won't complain.
i agree with you
Anybody that thinks MSQ is filler should be playing at different game. As far as I'm concerned they're a drain on the community, disrespectful to the developers work, and aren't welcome.
And I'm not sorry. Some opinions are shit. And that's one of them.
it's just a game, calm down
Unrelated to story, but because of people like you we have this awful state every job plays the same
Just put my fries in the bag bro who gives a shit
It might also come back in side content. Like an exploration zone.
To be fair, I don’t consider side quests in any mmo filler, simply fleshing out the world, and I think ffxiv suits that best
Me: liking Zero's story and Gaia's story more than the main story...k
I imagine that eventually we will get an expansion based on the location of the post msq and that story is going to be VERY important later. I think the biggest thing is usually this story would be optional and we get something else for msq which causes it to feel filler when it's really not
I'm just waiting for the next time a certain someone spins the block to test my reflexes.
Maybe become the vegeta to my goku.
that last bit, was definitely a hot take LOL
great vid though :) P.S. your content is actually very entertaining. onto the next vid as i type this c:
Thanks dude! More content to come!
EW patches felt mostly like nostalgia bait for ff4 players.
History is learned, not experienced. Perspective between the learned and the experienced is vastly different.
Well one goal was to bridge the source with the shards, to wt least make travel to the 1st viable.
Not filler but also not important for the coming 2 years.
the issue is they feel like fillers even if they aren't.
People who hate endwalker likely hate everything. they clearly have zero appreciation for a story. Endwalker was at least as good as Shadowbringers. Those who cant understand it are story skipping idiots who shouldn't even be playing.
Fun fact, they didn't really plan the story ahead of time until they got to shadowbringers. They also are taking that stance again after 6.0
Bro spat truth untill the very end, SHB peak
Opinion rejected
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hard agree
Nice video, thanks
No thank you lol
I'm concerned for the future of Zero because the people who wrote Heavensward, Stormblood, Shadowbringers and Endwalker are no longer the main writing team. Yoshi-P himself has said that he's turning more and more over to the "younger" staff and there is plenty of millenial writing and amateur mistakes in Dawntrail that makes me concerned about the future. I dont mind silly or wacky but dont you dare try to make my WoL naive THIS far into their journey, not possible not after everything so far.